Agents of Shield has more heart than most of the shit that’s been made for Disney+. Yeah it had limitations but those limitations allowed it to grow into something off-beat and great that we’ll never get from Disney+ marvel shows.
@@AussieMulletboi I know this is gonna sound disrespectful and I apologize in advance but I hate when people say "what" on the internet. This isn't a vocal conversation, if you really want to know what I said just read it again 😭
The show was better than it had any right to be, with the Film studio basically dropping huge narrative bombs for the writers to deal with, a shoestring budget and the fact that they can't really use a plot or a character that's already in the MCU, it's a miracle that it lasted this long. Also, compared to the shows we got now, AoS is a friggin masterpiece.
I'd never disagreed so much with Nerdstalgic. SHIELD "rebooting" itself was part of what was amazing about it. It was never stale, it was never the same. I tuned in every week because I legitimately couldn't believe the places the show had gone to and the wild storylines it committed to. This show was fantastic.
Once the show took its own path. It became way better imo. The restrictive nature of trying to keep in line with the movies would have probably killed the show. Also imo the whole dynamic of having a different theme each season at the time kept things fresh imo. For example; The framework story line was the peak of the show.
@@hefoughtabear118 some the talking points on this video can easily be talked about as the shows main strengths. But what is slightly irritating (for lack of a better word) is the whole notion that the show needed Samuel L Jackson according to the OP of the video.
Couldn't disagree more! 🤣 While the show definitely has its ups and downs, Agents of Shield has some of the most riveting character drama in the entire MCU, seasons 3 and 4 especially, the 4,722 hours and the framework story arcs are both incredible. Honestly if asked my favourite Marvel characters its this team without a doubt. I understand it may disappoint if you want pure connections to the MCU but as its own narrative, its one of my favourite series I've ever seen. :)
Yes, it started out as more of the Joshoverse but it became it’s own ‘ life form’ with characters constantly put in peril against a world almost beyond comprehension. When the MO of the show is to humanize extreme people; geniuses become fam, trained killers face remorse, and super hero’s are all to human.
Agents of Shield was GREAT! What ate you talking about? The fact that every season was basically it's own thing kept it fresh. It honestly didn't find it's stride untill they really started splitting off from the MCU events.
If viewed as the initially pitched MCU tie in show, then yes it may be disappointing. But AOS was able to find its niche with its great cast and really fun sci-fi premises every season. Having to stay up to date with all the MCU phase 2-3 projects would've really dragged the show down, instead they are able to focus on what works for their medium while staying loosely in the MCU continuity. I would say Season 4 is top tier Marvel/superhero TV, up there with Daredevil and S1 of Jessica Jones. Additionally the show was expected to be cancelled after Season 5, so they wrote that season finale as a series finale. Seasons 6-7 are shorter and disconnected because they were not supposed to happen at all, so the show approached them one season at a time.
Clark Gregg and his chemistry with the entire cast is what made SHIELD so good. I love Samuel L Jackson, but... It would not have been as good with him instead. Okay damn. The movies didn't do anything to influence the show after season 1. They did their own thing, and it was beautiful. I can't believe you guys would call the show 'bland'. It's wacky, goofy, and captures the vibe of the comics WAY more than the more modern marvel TV shows. Not to mention the action choreography. Ming-Na Wen even does the sword pose that she did in the ANIMATED Mulan movie.
Indeed, the show kinda ups itself as it went along. Never thought we would see a Ghost Rider on a live action tv show. And the design for him looked pretty cool. Wonder how high a budget they had for the 4rth season.
Pretty sure Age of Ultron did influence the show and that is in Season 2 so not "after season 1". The Sokovia Accords also influence AoS in season 4, where Yoyo and later Daisy had to be registered as enhanced individuals.
Agree except the events of the movies always had an influence on the show, at least the first 5 seasons anyway. They constantly reference events from the films, even if they don’t have a massive impact on what goes on.
How much would it cost to bring SLJ as a lead in a network TV show? He got $20 mill for 6 episodes of Secret Invasion. So at least $50-$75 million a 22 episode season. And it couldn’t have been materially better.
WandaVision, Loki, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, Secret Invasion, GOTG Holiday Special and Moonknight were all good. Werewolf by Night was Fantastic. Even with one or two wonky episodes She-Hulk was good it was a blend of a David E. Kelley show like Ally McBeal or the Boston Legal mixed with the John Byrne run of She-Hulk. Agents of Shield was decent with Post Hydra reveal season 1 and season 4 being it's high points and the Inhumans being the low points.
Watched this again recently and it holds up pretty well compared to marvel tv shows now, all those problems you listed are only problems for those who are deep into the comics, for someone like me who barely watched any of the movies beforehand and didn't read any of those comics you mentioned everything that happened with coulson felt right
I too recently rewatched AoS incorporated into a rewatch of the entire MCU in chronological order. and I thoroughly enjoyed the 7 seasons of AoS in that rewatch (in fact I sometimes broke with what I was "supposed to watch" next when the site I was following said "watch episodes 1-19 of AoS then watch X, Y, and Z Netflix series"; I wanted to see what happened with the AoS team. I caught the movie tie ins when they happened (and they happened more often than this video made out; just one example, as late as season 6 "the destroyer of worlds" was in response to the fact that Thanos was coming).
I read the comic’s growing up and his “observations” still don’t hold up. The show was great and it didn’t need everything to revolve around the movies storylines. The Marvel universe is vast and even the comics don’t work that way.
Someone didn't watch Secret Invasion... I don't think Fury would've made Agents of Shield all that better. By that point Coulson was a more popular character and I think Clark Gregg was terrific in the role. To say that a show would've succeeded or failed because of just one character is reductionist and spits in the face of the contributions of the other actors.
Yeah, I wasn't big on this video for that critique. There's little evidence that the results will be that different if Fury was in the show. Coulson caught my interest as the first season went on & I desired to see how his relationships with his team played out. And yeah, I liked Clark Gregg in the role.
I found that AoS had a lot of charm. Much of that can be attributed to the team's chemistry and how they developed over the seasons. The show worked well with it's limitations, especially after season 3 when they no longer needed to recycle one of the characters as the Antagonist. I find it's much better than the latest Marvel tv shows and movies, where comedy has been turned up to 11, emotional moments are consistently undercut by jokes, and the constant need for everything to be a setup that doesn't really pay off. If anything, the show that actually was supposed to focus on Sam Jackson's Nick Fury, Secret Invasion, was a complete let down in every facet. Also, I'm not really sure you've made a point for Nick Fury instead of Coulson. Nick Fury was already a leader of the Avengers and SHIELD. Where does he go from there? Leader a team of regular people? I think Coulson was a good fit because he wasn't Nick Fury, he was the everyday man. And it's hard for the everyday man to be the leader of a giant organization like SHIELD. Maybe Fury's arc could have been going from the leader of SHIELD, seeing it dismantled from the inside by Hydra, and then realizing he needs to step back as the leader?
I strongly disagree. Coulson was a perfect front runner to the show, and his alien DNA/resurrection plotline perfectly explained his sudden jump to Fury level actions. I think if Sam Jackson was part of the show, it would have just become the Sam Jackson hour, and the character development we get from the supporting cast would have been pushed to the side. I think the true issue with the show was the plot lines, that w seemed to fit more into the Dr Who universe more than Marvels. Additionally, the CGI was awful, once again falling more in line with Dr Who over Marvel. These two issues together made the show feel campy and detached from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I agree although I will say the CGI was more so hot or miss than outright bad expecally for a network TV show where the have less time to work on stuff they put in a lot of effort and when they wanted something to look really good like ghost Rider they did an amazing job.
Hot take: I’ve grown to like Agents of SHIELD more than the Netflix shows, DD and JJ season 1 aside. It just had great team dynamics and genre versatility. Especially after season 4.
I feel like the writers have done an amzing job writing Coulson as a real person who changed from the 'every man' to a heroic man who would sacrifice himself. He's been traumatized by his ressurection, then SHIELD fell, and then things just kept on coming, while the core--the found family he'd found in all this mess--stayed true. Coulson never felt out of place, he was the heart of SHIELD. Honestly, the biggest problem of SHIELD is that this show is forced to exist in the shadow of the MCU. And it's a shame because it's a well-written, intelligent show with lots of heart (although sometimes it does get ridiculous, I admit it, but that's part of the fun)
Ngl I’m glad these comments are eating this video alive. Everything you said is something that 99.9% of fans say is a strength of the show. What about the characters? Why didn’t u go into them instead of talking about why Sam Jackson should have been in the show more for 5 minutes? Didn’t mention the actors?
I’d argue that they are the second. The best dynamic/relationship in the show is Coulson and Daisy. Their growth and relationship was the actual heart of the show.
The pilot season was a rough (we now know it was much better than the average marvel content, but it was well below the quality of the movies at the time). Of course, yeah, the show overall is very good. And much, much better than almost every other marvel show (behind 2 Defenders shows, and 1-2 D+ shows. Tho, not a reasonable comparison to put a multi-season show up against the D+ single season limited series. Those are just chopped up movies).
The worst part is how the movies completely ignored the existence of the show all together for literally no reason. In the beginning it seems they were alongside the movies and it was fun watching a marvel movie then coming here to see the after effects of said movie. But to not see the show even referenced in the movies AT ALL was so disappointing to me.
The reason that happened was around the timespan of age of ultron and iron-man 3 or a little after the chain of command was broken do to the demotion of isaac perlmutter to marvel television the chain of command was the fiege was to report to perlmutter and perlmutter was to report to Disney so the scripts would go through perlmutter before getting to Disney after his demotion to marvel television the script go from fiege directly to Disney and why they have gotten worse over time as much of a bad person perlmutter is he ultimately kept the humor in check and since his demotion the humor has gotten out of control
There's a few subtle easter-egg references in Age of Ultron, Civil War, Captain Marvel, and Far From Home, as well as in the series Falcon & Winter Soldier and the webseries WHiH Newsfront (which was made by Marvel Studios).
Coulson was never a stand-in for Fury. Him being the everyman is what made his whole thing work. He was just as impressed by the tech as we would be. Fury wasn't. When Ward was exposed, Coulson showed that he was as shocked and disappointed as we would be. Fury wouldn't've. In the Framework, Fury wouldn't have been able to make that public speech the way Coulson did, because Coulson collected Captain America trading cards the way we collect Captain America comic books. The closest Clark Gregg ever got to playing a Fury-type was the Sarge, and that was the neon gas bat party season, so... Anyway, the show was built on a half-season at a time arc, which actually made it feel pretty comic booky in its serialization. So, I don't know if you just didn't watch it, or you just didn't get get it, but you just didn't get it.
Agents of Shield does not need fixing. It does not need Nick Fury. It's fine with Coulson. It's a great show not a bland show. It's better than every MCU show.
AoS was a good show by itself, and has even more merits if you take into account their hands where tied. They kept "rebooting" the show because it was never meant to be a spy thriller, it was a superhero show where most of the cast were ordinary humans, so inhumans, magic, space and time travel are common tropes of the genre. Also at least they were always trying new things instead of telling the protagonist he had to run faster every single season.
Looking at where we at now, and what we got now, I'm glad I watched all those seasons when they aired! It was always fun to see the little easter eggs and movie connections on top of the many great guest stars. Aside from that it was 10x funnier, wittier and more exciting than any of the Disney+ shows we got.. Just like the Netflix shows, Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, I still highly regard Agents of Shield. Even though it might not be considered part of the "official" MCU, it is to me!
Sorry guys but I totally disagree. AoS felt fresh and interesting with each season and it really grew with each one too. I came to really bond with the characters
i like how the majority of comments here knows that your video is a bad take. unanimously, we know S1 was bad, but they took that and turned it around for the next 6 we also know that it successfully managed to carve its own niche, and thrived with it; the whole video read as someone who only saw the reviews, articles, etc. but never really saw the show, because the "reviews" told you it was 'bad' and you shouldn't even waste your time with it. hence i understand your bad take(s). decent talking points, but was wrapped with really bad takes. maybe next time; but not for this particular one, my boy.
I think you’re missing a few things 1 joss Whedon didn’t create the show he only directed the pilot and his brother and sister-in-law took over 2. Shield isn’t just a ground level show it exits in a world full of superheroes and supernatural where anything can happen 3.after shield was destroyed the writers and show runners had to find a way to keep the show running and I think you’re misunderstanding what made the show good
As everyone else is saying, AoS is top-tier Marvel. Even the complaints a lot of fans have for the first half of season 1, on rewatch, show they were actually taking their time to build backstory. We learn that Coulson has changed. We see him build a new team from scratch. We learn all of the character's deep motivations and what they're good and not good at. Then the MCU kept throwing curveballs and they adapted and ran the hell with it. Fury never trusted people, and Coulson was the opposite, which is what made him stronger and more relatable. He was unflappable while also never trying to just be intimidating as seems to be Fury's big move. And by "reboots" every season, the MCU kept changing or they had to manage the stakes they kept putting up. With deep character arcs tying them together. When you try to sum up the entire series in a sentence, I agree it sounds ridiculous. But it was all connected. All of the characters maintained their growth throughout. And I think the "pod" format... having three major story arcs each season was brilliant. It kept the kinetic energy of the show going. I think people were fed up with being strung along for multiple seasons on one big mystery. Except, those still existed but it wasn't the crux of the show. The problems would be solved but new and bigger ones would show up and they'd deal with it. They were really big on ripping off band-aids and that was refreshing to me. The writing was fantastic and rewarded people who paid attention. Haven't watched it in awhile? Rewatch it. So many seeds dropped in earlier seasons that pay off, sometimes seasons later. And the acting talent they got... so much better than they should be. From Daisy's father, to Radcliffe, to Aida. And of course you can't forget Fitz and Simmons. If we just got Fury, it'd just be a goofball show with everyone acting like how Spider-man and Happy act around Fury in No Way Home. Intimidated by him and Fury just complaining about how incompetent everyone was. Or you get Secret Invasion. Blegh.
I'm glad the comments are tearing it up in here. Agents of Shield was an awesome show. Could the show have been better with Nick Fury more present? Maybe. Nick as the protagonist? Probably, but it would be a completely different show. The show we got was fantastic, and the slander of "the show was bland" or bad in any way, is something I think is a take I strongly disagree with. The first season I'd say started bland, but once it dropped it's "super threat of the week" mentality and grabbed some focus, it got really good, and stayed good pretty much the whole way through. The final 2 seasons only happened because of how much people liked the show. Season 5 was supposed to be the end, but people wanted more, so they made a new end. Then they wanted even more, so they made another ending. S6 & 7 had problems, but even those seasons were good. Every season before those were great.
This is a weird video lol. Strongly disagree. I don't think they ever "pivoted" with his character at all, he was never trying to be the new Fury. I think that is just such a weird take.
This show is so much more than any Disney plus show, itnhad lot of heart, stakes, charm, interesting characters and settings worth exploring So no, you're very wrong, Coulson is bettet than Fury of what he goes through during the show's run, the sacrifices he made especially for his team, they're family.....you don't get it
I really disagree, the show was great and it did plot twists well, I really liked that it kinda semi-rebooted itself, cause I never knew what to expect, allies became enemies, enemies, became friends, and I think taking it on its own terms is great. I feel like maybe it was hindered by basically getting the scraps that the movies were either not gonna do, or gonna take forever to do, but I think they really did the best with what they could. its flawed, but its still good and maybe even great.
for me, agents of shield joins daredevil and jessica jones as the best TV shows marvel has ever made. both are light years better than anything they've put out on Disney+.
Im sorry but this is the worst take Ive heard of this brilliant show. It is a masterpiece with cleaver writing, great character-based storytelling and enough twist and turns to keep you engaged for 7 long seasons. Todays marvel tv doesnt come close to what this show accomplished. And of course it should not have been a story of the week-show that is suggested. To watch this series all the way and to not get it.... Wow!
There is no problem with agents of shield. Its a nearly perfect show, and literally every single complainment that might be reasonable are directly grew from the ignorancy of nothing but marvel studios and feige who did not give a fking shit about this show.
This is probably one of the most underrated shows of that era. There were issues in some of the middle seasons but it had some of the coolest storylines ever towards the end. My only issue with this video is that I never thought Fury should have been the main character. Half of the conflicts would be nullified if he was at the front of this show.
You can't call the show bland but then say if it was Nick Fury in there everything would have been fine. AoS was a good show that carved out it's own little space because the Marvel movies wouldn't let it go anywhere else. And it was hardly bland unless you only watched the first season where they had to twiddle their thumbs waiting for Winter Soldier to drop. This was a very weird take and it seems the comments agree!
I'm sure the reason that they didn't have Samuel L. Jackson as the lead of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is because Samuel L. Jackson is a lot more expensive than Clark Gregg. And that's why.
I think you're gonna get a lot of push back on this video. Firstly we just saw what happened when Nick Fury got his own series, it didn't turn out so well. Secondly AOS started out extremely bland in the first season and was only after Captain America: Winter Solider that they were forced to pivot the show and became all the better for it. Lastly I would probably take the majority of the offerings from Marvel Television (with the exception of Inhumans) to what we are currently getting from the MCU Disney+ Shows. Which end up being a lot of shows that range from "fine" to just straight up bad.
Right, I’ve never disagreed with Nerdstalgic more. SI has been one of the most disappointing Marvel shows and imo SLJ’s acting didn’t do much for me at all (I find Gregg more compelling). I thought it was weird too how at ~6:00 it was mentioned that the show should have been an adventure-of-the-week with an overarching hydra plot when that’s exactly what the first season was - and like you said it was the pívot away from that formula that made the show more widely loved. I’ve got loves of love for this channel but I think I it’s such a strange take and feels like they either didn’t watch the whole series or got a wildly different experience than other fans.
@@derekbarcelo5479This nerdstratic take feels like the real life personification of “Tell me you didn’t actually watch the show, without telling me you didn’t watch the show.”!🧐
Coulson always sees the good in people, that's why he's the heart and soul of SHIELD. Thank you to the best cast and crew. It’s been a phenomenal 7 seasons of tears and laughter and memories.
Agents of SHIELD was actually awesome! Season 1 was rocky, but seasons 2-4 were honestly some of the best MCU content we ever got! Admittedly season 5 was a little lagging, and it did mean I didn’t end up watching seasons 6-7, but that is something I’d like to fix. I just find season 6 a slog. But that doesn’t take away from how great the show was in its peak! Definitely deserves to be watched.
I couldn't disagree more. The show didn't need Fury, because they had Coulson. You are treating him as Fury Minion or something, when, in fact, in universe, he was, like, Fury right hand man. He wasn't just a guy, he's a SHIELD agent devoted to the cause. Every storyline they used in the show was very well develop and made people that might never heard about Ghost Rider, for exemple, understand his character and what he was about. One of the things that makes SHIELD as good as it is is the amount of inovation that every season provided. You never know what to expect and that's very excting, especially because when it happened, it made sense. I can't say the same for Secret Invasion, who had a lot of Fury, but did things like stop him from calling super heroes because of a personal fight that he sends someone else to fight for him. He said that we can't be dependent of super powers and sends G'iah to go get some. If more Fury means lazy things like this, I much prefer see agent Coulson, or Daisy Johnson on my screen.
Despite it all AOS is infinitely better and much, much more interesting than the Disney Plus MCU shows, which IIH have done so much more damage to the Marvel brand.
Agent of SHIELD was friggin great and I have no idea what you're talking about. After a rough first half of a season it found it's footing and did great things. It's not perfect but it's easily my favourite MCU series by far
Like others have said. I have never disagreed more with Nerdstalgic. Production wise it's as good a video as any of your others but I have to dislike. AoS is brilliant. It never gets stale or boring or tired or any of the things you said because it reinvented itself. That's its strength, not a weakness.
The show famously has the problem or luck that as the seasons progressed the crtic score reduced and the audienced score increased, i feel like the writers knew that they wre doing, they knew that the train which had nick fury and spy thriller weekly episode thing has left the station and they decided to just do everythin to tkeep the audience happy. And tbh it worked, in hindshight i dont need to thin khard about the show, in a way it has heart that it knows that its not deep, but it doesnt need to be deep to be good. Sometimes i just want couple of super heroes playing agents and kicking ass.
Honestly, agents of SHIELD was hampered by being to the rest of the MCU as season was kind of meh until the captain america sequel revealed that HYDRA had been inside of S.H.I.E.L.D. for years. Once they went on to do their own thing the show was great with amazing characters and chemistry. Sure there were a few issues I had with the show here and there but I still loved the show more towards the end of season 1 till the finale of season 7.
Fury literally ranked up because of Skrulls all of his career, gets to the top because of them, messes with a powerful alien relic which caused the battle of NYC and allowed Coulson to die during the battle, he let S.H.I.E.L.D fall, let Talos die and almost allowed an alien invasion to happen. Coulson slowly rose the ranks “in the dark”, wasn’t even given details of his own death by Fury and saved the world 4 different times after Fury just kinda bailed when the agency collapsed. Coulson is the man who oversaw the construction of the helicarrier which Fury took and was the star at the end of ‘Age of Ultron’ and gave Coulson zero credit for it and the Avengers still think he’s dead, then Coulson legit became Ghost Rider to take out a man that can create matter which basically killed him at the end of season 5. Kinda resurrects in season 6 but not really. Then he became an android and saved the world again from a different alien race far superior than the skrulls and created one of marvels best strongest female characters of all time besides maybe Captain Marvel. Coulson deserves to be more on the big screen than Fury does. Coulson is the legitimate definition of a ride or die.
if an actor is famous it does not mean that he is better and only he should have acted. Coulson was great as a leader! Clark Gregg did an excellent job in his role. The whole cast was great. Impermanence in the story and characters is what drives our love and attachment to the show.We probably won't ever see anything like it again.
The show sure has lows and highs. But I think everyone agrees seasons 4 and 7 are really good. I personally didn't like the ghosts in season 4, but everything that follows is amazing.
I always hated how Fury did Coulsen so dirty after his death. Not by bringing him back but by taking his prized possession, his Avenger cards, smearing blood all over them so they’re ruined just to add a little extra effect. I wonder what Coulsen’s reaction was when he got back to his locker and thought “where the f*ck are my cards?!”
First: Do your Marvel comics research. The white Nick Fury is Nick Fury Sr. The Samuel L Jackson Fury is Nick Fury Jr. Also Nick Fury Jr. Is based from The Ultimates comics, just like the MCU. Secoundly: there wasn't a problem with the show, there is a problem with the viewer
Usually agree but in this case I think you've got it wrong. Yeah it had some low points and got off to a slow start but for the most part it was actually a really good show. Much better than the Disney+ shows of late. I watch this over She-Hulk any day!
I’m a huge AoS fan and think it’s better than every other Marvel TV show(Yes that includes Daredevil), but back off She-Hulk. That show was unfortunately among the best and most rewatchable that Disney+ has made. I say that with a heavy heart and regret.😢
this video was built on the premise that AOS wasn't good. but it was good. so..... no need to make this particular video. but it's fine. could have been an AI generated script for all I know.
Fury is an ass and tbh after watching Secret Invasion im kinda glad that Agents Of Shield didnt make him the more of a central figure. If he popped up a bit more now and again across the seasons then maybe (i thought they might have brought it back round to the SWORD stuff at the end) but i dont think it should have been a super important thing. Agents of Shield though doesnt really need fixing, Coulson is great and still very much embodies the everyman as the series continues and shows he has way more heart and likeability than Nick Fury ever had. Shield was actually fun and inventive despite the restrictions placed on what they could do amd had some of the best character development in Marvel across the seven seasons. I would rather have another 5 seasons of Shield than something like Secret Invasion anyday. And it seems like Marvel are learning their lesson now as they turn back to more traditional TV models. Imagine what they could do with a show like Shield now? A multiseason show, where reinvention is part of the DNA and they are ACTUALLY ALLOWED to touch all these different corners of the marvel universe and see it from a different perspective. And give it the disney+ budget. I want more of that please... Not half baked superhero spy shows that doesnt want to invest time into its characters (secret invasion)
The show kept doing new things, the characters grew, relationships evolved and everyone was amazing in their parts. To say the show didn’t work is to be woefully ignorant of the stories it told as the most certainly did work well. I wish Fury had shown up a few more times but aside from that I don’t think having him head it up would have made it better. Usually I hate that US tv has so many episodes in a series but AoS used that time to build our hatred of Ward, to flesh out a story so it didn’t feel rushed, to explore more than one idea in a single series and to have the relationships and characters grow naturally as time passes. Series 4 is a great showcase of doing more than one plot as an arc with Ghostrider, the LMDs and the Framework all coming together in the best series AoS had. All the disney+ shows have had fatal flaws and I don’t really care to revisit any of them but AoS I have seen multiple times.
Agents of Shield fans are praising the show for years and are trying to convince people to watch it, and then comes your video with such a negative conclusion. The writer of this video seems like they've seen the whole show, but why would they keep watching for so long. Mmm... 🤔
Agents of Shield was great if you respected it for what it was. During it's run it was scorned by people and called non-canon and then those same people also hated the canon shows. 🤷🏾♀️ The biggest flaw was not picking the strongest storylines and expanding on them. Global terragenesis should have had more time to do something because there were multiple groups of Inhumans and we only met two of them. We have several minor Inhuman characters that were created as just in case placeholders and never used again after a few episodes. Hell, they created Mike Peterson/Dethlok and then he just faded into obscurity.
The everything sucks narrative started with the marvel movies. Then it got pushed harder on AoS. Now it’s expanded to everything. I have gotten to the point I ignore reviews again because of the trend.
While I think seeing Fury a bit more in AoS would have been interesting, Colson and the team were way more interesting as characters! I loved that it was about a team that wasn't the top of the top. I think the issue, as you said, is that the show tried to go too big with its plots.
Never disagreed more with Nerdstalgic. I was disheartened after watching the video but it's good to see most of the comments agreeing with my view :D This was by no means a bad show; which the video seems to imply
While Nerdstalgic is known for their hot takes and after watching the entire video, I definitely disagree with everything said about AOS. It was the right move to keep Coulson on the show and have him lead the team, the dynamic would not have been the same if it were just Fury. Samuel is the greatest, but Coulson's personality and struggles are something fans related to more, and watching him and team develop was very enjoyable. Agree to disagree.
Strongly disagree, couldnt disagree more really. The show started out pretty meh, but with potential. When the hydra reveal came it got good, and by season 2 very good. Season 3 was even better and the forth season was incredible. The show had a lot of heart, and with lovable, smart characters and some really great dialogue. It was capable of ripping your heart out at times. No Disney+ show has even come close to its worst seasons, let alone its best. Agents of Shield was and is an underrated gem of a show that I'd highly recommend to anyone.
AOS was awesome. Coulson was awesome. If you made a video about how Lincoln and Mack were insufferable, I’d be on board but I couldn’t disagree more with this video
Love your vids but gotta disagree with this one chief. AoS has cemented itself as not only a great superhero show but a great show in general. Season 4 is one of the best season in all of television imo and this video does not do it justice whatsoever.
"Overall, AOS is a bland and somewhat disappointing viewing experience" Okay, so either nerdstalgic is bias against AOS or they clearly didn't watch the show. Yes, the fact that AOS kept trying to tie into the MCU did hurt it narratively in some aspects and as to how and how badly, I'll leave that for others to debate. I have an issue with how you've described the show. It doesn't sound fair or balanced and throughout the video you've been putting it down and pointing out it's "flaws" and acknowledging few if none of it's strength. For example, as a tie in to the MCU, it's bad but as a show independent of the MCU it is a great show undoubtedly. Even some of the examples used to show how much of a mess it is (the inhumans, the time travel in season 5, the Ghost Rider) are actually concepts that were executed well in the show itself if you watch the show in it's entirety. And Coulson sacrificing himself for Daisy makes complete sense in terms of character within the show. Throughout every season in AOS we see this is the type of person he is as him and Daisy end up growing a psuedo-father-daughter relationship. In the show we see that he is a loyal Shield agent, a bureaucrat and so much more. I think in an effort to justify your conclusion, you've blinded yourself to all the good that AOS has give and thus why it stayed on the air for 7 seasons when. I encourage you to reevaluate your research process because to call AOS bland and/or a disappointment shows how little you know about it, it's storyline, narratives and characters and the fanbase that it has earned. I realise that as a fan I have a bias here but I just wanted to get this off my chest
AoS had a rough start but just like Buffy it found it's way and audience after a while. It's one of the very few Marvel shows I stuck with. I don't really care much for Nick Fury, but that show had me for the time it was on.
Eh, no. For the sake of having a reply that's longer than 6 characters, this video gets a lot wrong. This was a comic book show. The switches are very much echoing what you see in Avengers & X-Men comics. Casts change, settings change, you get alternative realities, time travel, guest stars, heel turns, body swaps, deaths & resurrections. They deal with magic, rogue AI, aliens, rival spies & super-powered bad guys. There's a fundamental misunderstanding of Coulson's character. He's a bureaucrat in the same sense Maria Hill is a bureaucrat. Theyre spies FFS! Being "baby" Nick Fury just means he does stuff that Fury does. Because, they're both senior leaders of a spy organisation. Coulson just has a better sense of humour & he's kinder. It really feels like the review doesn't engage with the show itself. Not a single mention of Daisy, May, Fitzsimons, Mack, Yoyo etc. For the most part, it criticises the show for not being what it never tried to be.
Tell me u didn’t understand the assignment without telling me u didn’t understand the assignment U clearly watched like one episode and then googled the rest and it shows
Coulson being an absolute gem the whole time. Feel what you feel, think what you want. Just don't be surprised if you are completely wrong. Always keep an open mind even when you "think" you know what is happening or might happen... That's what makes AOS so good. It gets us all with it's twists and turns.
This is the first time I've felt like I'm watching a content farm on this channel. Which is what it is. Like you didn't really watch the whole show did you, you just read the wiki.
Fury doesn't needs to be a lead, but having him at least twice per season would be good. He doesn't even need to share the same space as the main cast, he can appear on a screen or as a hologram. The most disappointing thing about AoS is the last season. While every season before hand can believably happen in the background of the film, the last season doesn't fit into the Infinity War and End game timeline. I really like a lot of the concepts and characters and I do hope they'll show back up in the main MCU proper, even if they need to do a bit of reconning.
While the first couple of Agents of Shield seasons were pretty bland, I stuck with it and found that about the mid-point of the run it started getting enjoyable to watch, and then I seemed to like each subsequent season more and more. It still wasn't great, but I found myself looking forward to each new season and was genuinely sad when it finally wrapped up.
![Fitzsimmons Fam being a chaotic mess [For Sam ily]](/img/n.gif)
"Get ready for a large file transfer!" - "Ok how big of a file are we talki"- *Filing cabinet crashes to the ground from second story*
Easily one of my favorite moments from the whole show. Makes me crack up laughing everytime 😂😂
Agents of Shield has more heart than most of the shit that’s been made for Disney+. Yeah it had limitations but those limitations allowed it to grow into something off-beat and great that we’ll never get from Disney+ marvel shows.
They're both mid.
What?@@mr.iiconic
@@AussieMulletboi I know this is gonna sound disrespectful and I apologize in advance but I hate when people say "what" on the internet. This isn't a vocal conversation, if you really want to know what I said just read it again 😭
@mr.iiconic no I just wana know why u think its mid
The show was better than it had any right to be, with the Film studio basically dropping huge narrative bombs for the writers to deal with, a shoestring budget and the fact that they can't really use a plot or a character that's already in the MCU, it's a miracle that it lasted this long.
Also, compared to the shows we got now, AoS is a friggin masterpiece.
I'd never disagreed so much with Nerdstalgic. SHIELD "rebooting" itself was part of what was amazing about it. It was never stale, it was never the same. I tuned in every week because I legitimately couldn't believe the places the show had gone to and the wild storylines it committed to. This show was fantastic.
Ikr. It was a masterpiece. From, hydra, framework, LMDs, supernatural(monolith), superhuman,space, time travel etc.
Peak television.
That season that takes place in the future is freaking wild.
The LMDs storyline was a better Secret Invasion than Secret Invasion. And the little we got of Ghost Rider was INCREDIBLE.
@@erickmunoz1378 lol and secret invasion has Samuel L Jackson haha
Samuel jackson cost too much money, its simple as that lmao
Once the show took its own path. It became way better imo. The restrictive nature of trying to keep in line with the movies would have probably killed the show. Also imo the whole dynamic of having a different theme each season at the time kept things fresh imo. For example; The framework story line was the peak of the show.
Agreed.. and it finished strong👍
Exactly. It's still one of my favorite Marvel shows to this day. I wouldn't change anything about it.
Its so stupid that this guys complaining that the show did something new every season.
@@hefoughtabear118 some the talking points on this video can easily be talked about as the shows main strengths.
But what is slightly irritating (for lack of a better word) is the whole notion that the show needed Samuel L Jackson according to the OP of the video.
Framework was for sure the best season.
Couldn't disagree more! 🤣 While the show definitely has its ups and downs, Agents of Shield has some of the most riveting character drama in the entire MCU, seasons 3 and 4 especially, the 4,722 hours and the framework story arcs are both incredible. Honestly if asked my favourite Marvel characters its this team without a doubt. I understand it may disappoint if you want pure connections to the MCU but as its own narrative, its one of my favourite series I've ever seen. :)
I will never forget the reintroduction of Fitz as the doctor. I was bamboozled by that whole reveal. It was beautiful!
totally agree
Yes, it started out as more of the Joshoverse but it became it’s own ‘ life form’ with characters constantly put in peril against a world almost beyond comprehension. When the MO of the show is to humanize extreme people; geniuses become fam, trained killers face remorse, and super hero’s are all to human.
Agents of Shield was GREAT! What ate you talking about? The fact that every season was basically it's own thing kept it fresh. It honestly didn't find it's stride untill they really started splitting off from the MCU events.
If viewed as the initially pitched MCU tie in show, then yes it may be disappointing. But AOS was able to find its niche with its great cast and really fun sci-fi premises every season. Having to stay up to date with all the MCU phase 2-3 projects would've really dragged the show down, instead they are able to focus on what works for their medium while staying loosely in the MCU continuity. I would say Season 4 is top tier Marvel/superhero TV, up there with Daredevil and S1 of Jessica Jones.
Additionally the show was expected to be cancelled after Season 5, so they wrote that season finale as a series finale. Seasons 6-7 are shorter and disconnected because they were not supposed to happen at all, so the show approached them one season at a time.
Facts🤝
@@SeeThomasHowl are you calling me a bot hahahha?
Season 7 made a lot of Mcu references
I have to try again then, I think I never made it past Season 3 because those feel a bit like chewing gum
Clark Gregg and his chemistry with the entire cast is what made SHIELD so good. I love Samuel L Jackson, but... It would not have been as good with him instead.
Okay damn. The movies didn't do anything to influence the show after season 1. They did their own thing, and it was beautiful. I can't believe you guys would call the show 'bland'. It's wacky, goofy, and captures the vibe of the comics WAY more than the more modern marvel TV shows. Not to mention the action choreography. Ming-Na Wen even does the sword pose that she did in the ANIMATED Mulan movie.
Agreed 💙
Indeed, the show kinda ups itself as it went along. Never thought we would see a Ghost Rider on a live action tv show. And the design for him looked pretty cool. Wonder how high a budget they had for the 4rth season.
Pretty sure Age of Ultron did influence the show and that is in Season 2 so not "after season 1". The Sokovia Accords also influence AoS in season 4, where Yoyo and later Daisy had to be registered as enhanced individuals.
Agree except the events of the movies always had an influence on the show, at least the first 5 seasons anyway. They constantly reference events from the films, even if they don’t have a massive impact on what goes on.
How much would it cost to bring SLJ as a lead in a network TV show? He got $20 mill for 6 episodes of Secret Invasion. So at least $50-$75 million a 22 episode season.
And it couldn’t have been materially better.
It was still much better than the current Disney+ shows!
Truth!
PREACH!!!!
Wandavision was pretty good, besides that though...
@@pythagorasabc true, WandaVision was actually good. Why couldn't Secret Invasion or She-Hulk be the same quality?
WandaVision, Loki, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, Secret Invasion, GOTG Holiday Special and Moonknight were all good.
Werewolf by Night was Fantastic.
Even with one or two wonky episodes She-Hulk was good it was a blend of a David E. Kelley show like Ally McBeal or the Boston Legal mixed with the John Byrne run of She-Hulk.
Agents of Shield was decent with Post Hydra reveal season 1 and season 4 being it's high points and the Inhumans being the low points.
Watched this again recently and it holds up pretty well compared to marvel tv shows now, all those problems you listed are only problems for those who are deep into the comics, for someone like me who barely watched any of the movies beforehand and didn't read any of those comics you mentioned everything that happened with coulson felt right
I too recently rewatched AoS incorporated into a rewatch of the entire MCU in chronological order. and I thoroughly enjoyed the 7 seasons of AoS in that rewatch (in fact I sometimes broke with what I was "supposed to watch" next when the site I was following said "watch episodes 1-19 of AoS then watch X, Y, and Z Netflix series"; I wanted to see what happened with the AoS team. I caught the movie tie ins when they happened (and they happened more often than this video made out; just one example, as late as season 6 "the destroyer of worlds" was in response to the fact that Thanos was coming).
Yeah a solid seven seasons
I read the comic’s growing up and his “observations” still don’t hold up. The show was great and it didn’t need everything to revolve around the movies storylines. The Marvel universe is vast and even the comics don’t work that way.
The writer of the script didn't watch the show i suppose. Such a good show specialy season 4.
Someone didn't watch Secret Invasion... I don't think Fury would've made Agents of Shield all that better. By that point Coulson was a more popular character and I think Clark Gregg was terrific in the role.
To say that a show would've succeeded or failed because of just one character is reductionist and spits in the face of the contributions of the other actors.
Yeah, I wasn't big on this video for that critique. There's little evidence that the results will be that different if Fury was in the show.
Coulson caught my interest as the first season went on & I desired to see how his relationships with his team played out. And yeah, I liked Clark Gregg in the role.
Yeah I love this channel but I can’t imagine anyone watching both shows and EVER having the take they had
I found that AoS had a lot of charm. Much of that can be attributed to the team's chemistry and how they developed over the seasons. The show worked well with it's limitations, especially after season 3 when they no longer needed to recycle one of the characters as the Antagonist. I find it's much better than the latest Marvel tv shows and movies, where comedy has been turned up to 11, emotional moments are consistently undercut by jokes, and the constant need for everything to be a setup that doesn't really pay off.
If anything, the show that actually was supposed to focus on Sam Jackson's Nick Fury, Secret Invasion, was a complete let down in every facet.
Also, I'm not really sure you've made a point for Nick Fury instead of Coulson. Nick Fury was already a leader of the Avengers and SHIELD. Where does he go from there? Leader a team of regular people? I think Coulson was a good fit because he wasn't Nick Fury, he was the everyday man. And it's hard for the everyday man to be the leader of a giant organization like SHIELD.
Maybe Fury's arc could have been going from the leader of SHIELD, seeing it dismantled from the inside by Hydra, and then realizing he needs to step back as the leader?
I strongly disagree. Coulson was a perfect front runner to the show, and his alien DNA/resurrection plotline perfectly explained his sudden jump to Fury level actions. I think if Sam Jackson was part of the show, it would have just become the Sam Jackson hour, and the character development we get from the supporting cast would have been pushed to the side. I think the true issue with the show was the plot lines, that w seemed to fit more into the Dr Who universe more than Marvels. Additionally, the CGI was awful, once again falling more in line with Dr Who over Marvel. These two issues together made the show feel campy and detached from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Yup
I agree although I will say the CGI was more so hot or miss than outright bad expecally for a network TV show where the have less time to work on stuff they put in a lot of effort and when they wanted something to look really good like ghost Rider they did an amazing job.
The CGI was good for a network show.
@@jasoningramx3731was here to mention Ghost Rider. His reveal was soooo good.
Hot take: I’ve grown to like Agents of SHIELD more than the Netflix shows, DD and JJ season 1 aside. It just had great team dynamics and genre versatility. Especially after season 4.
Same, it's an exceptional show
Huh, that's quite a hot take. Don't blame you, though.
Yeah I legit grew up with this show
agree, after agents of hydra.. the show became quite good.
Not too hot actually, it was a great show
I feel like the writers have done an amzing job writing Coulson as a real person who changed from the 'every man' to a heroic man who would sacrifice himself. He's been traumatized by his ressurection, then SHIELD fell, and then things just kept on coming, while the core--the found family he'd found in all this mess--stayed true. Coulson never felt out of place, he was the heart of SHIELD.
Honestly, the biggest problem of SHIELD is that this show is forced to exist in the shadow of the MCU. And it's a shame because it's a well-written, intelligent show with lots of heart (although sometimes it does get ridiculous, I admit it, but that's part of the fun)
Ngl I’m glad these comments are eating this video alive. Everything you said is something that 99.9% of fans say is a strength of the show. What about the characters? Why didn’t u go into them instead of talking about why Sam Jackson should have been in the show more for 5 minutes? Didn’t mention the actors?
Clark Gregg actually made the show. If he wasn't in it I probably wouldn't have carried on all the way through.
Fitz Simmons were the best part of the show. A good will they won’t they relationship always makes for good tv and character, story development.
Agreed! Especially when it doesn't overshadow the plot and other relationships.
I’d argue that they are the second. The best dynamic/relationship in the show is Coulson and Daisy. Their growth and relationship was the actual heart of the show.
I thought this show was great, and was a great supplement to the main mcu
It absolutely wasn't. Granted it did get better but it's first seasons were horrible.
The pilot season was a rough (we now know it was much better than the average marvel content, but it was well below the quality of the movies at the time). Of course, yeah, the show overall is very good. And much, much better than almost every other marvel show (behind 2 Defenders shows, and 1-2 D+ shows. Tho, not a reasonable comparison to put a multi-season show up against the D+ single season limited series. Those are just chopped up movies).
Better than anything Disney plus has given us for sure
I thought this show was mid, for mid people
SAMUEL L, JACKSON DID CALL AUDIENCES INCEL.
One of the GREATEST SHOWS EVER, along with being one of the greatest shows to ever run parallel with their movie-verse brothers!
The worst part is how the movies completely ignored the existence of the show all together for literally no reason. In the beginning it seems they were alongside the movies and it was fun watching a marvel movie then coming here to see the after effects of said movie. But to not see the show even referenced in the movies AT ALL was so disappointing to me.
@@PiflaTo be fair some events in the show doesn't really affected the movies all that much.
I blame the petty rivalry between Kevin feige and Jeph loeb. Jeph loeb wants the inhumans in his show, well guess who don't matter any more.
The reason that happened was around the timespan of age of ultron and iron-man 3 or a little after the chain of command was broken do to the demotion of isaac perlmutter to marvel television the chain of command was the fiege was to report to perlmutter and perlmutter was to report to Disney so the scripts would go through perlmutter before getting to Disney after his demotion to marvel television the script go from fiege directly to Disney and why they have gotten worse over time as much of a bad person perlmutter is he ultimately kept the humor in check and since his demotion the humor has gotten out of control
There's a few subtle easter-egg references in Age of Ultron, Civil War, Captain Marvel, and Far From Home, as well as in the series Falcon & Winter Soldier and the webseries WHiH Newsfront (which was made by Marvel Studios).
Not true
The movies actually did make a few subtle references to the show
Coulson was never a stand-in for Fury. Him being the everyman is what made his whole thing work. He was just as impressed by the tech as we would be. Fury wasn't. When Ward was exposed, Coulson showed that he was as shocked and disappointed as we would be. Fury wouldn't've. In the Framework, Fury wouldn't have been able to make that public speech the way Coulson did, because Coulson collected Captain America trading cards the way we collect Captain America comic books. The closest Clark Gregg ever got to playing a Fury-type was the Sarge, and that was the neon gas bat party season, so... Anyway, the show was built on a half-season at a time arc, which actually made it feel pretty comic booky in its serialization. So, I don't know if you just didn't watch it, or you just didn't get get it, but you just didn't get it.
Agents of Shield does not need fixing. It does not need Nick Fury. It's fine with Coulson. It's a great show not a bland show. It's better than every MCU show.
I don't think Nerdstalgic watched past the first episode.
AoS was a good show by itself, and has even more merits if you take into account their hands where tied.
They kept "rebooting" the show because it was never meant to be a spy thriller, it was a superhero show where most of the cast were ordinary humans, so inhumans, magic, space and time travel are common tropes of the genre.
Also at least they were always trying new things instead of telling the protagonist he had to run faster every single season.
Sam Jackson was too expensive.
I was watching this thinking “Am I the only one that disagrees with this?!” Then I read the comments and see I’m not by myself. lol
Looking at where we at now, and what we got now, I'm glad I watched all those seasons when they aired! It was always fun to see the little easter eggs and movie connections on top of the many great guest stars. Aside from that it was 10x funnier, wittier and more exciting than any of the Disney+ shows we got.. Just like the Netflix shows, Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, I still highly regard Agents of Shield. Even though it might not be considered part of the "official" MCU, it is to me!
Sorry guys but I totally disagree. AoS felt fresh and interesting with each season and it really grew with each one too. I came to really bond with the characters
i like how the majority of comments here knows that your video is a bad take. unanimously, we know S1 was bad, but they took that and turned it around for the next 6
we also know that it successfully managed to carve its own niche, and thrived with it; the whole video read as someone who only saw the reviews, articles, etc. but never really saw the show, because the "reviews" told you it was 'bad' and you shouldn't even waste your time with it.
hence i understand your bad take(s). decent talking points, but was wrapped with really bad takes. maybe next time; but not for this particular one, my boy.
"Baby Fury"? "New Fury"?Colson is his OWN character, Fury could NEVER have the depth and charisma that Colson had.
I think you’re missing a few things 1 joss Whedon didn’t create the show he only directed the pilot and his brother and sister-in-law took over 2. Shield isn’t just a ground level show it exits in a world full of superheroes and supernatural where anything can happen 3.after shield was destroyed the writers and show runners had to find a way to keep the show running and I think you’re misunderstanding what made the show good
As everyone else is saying, AoS is top-tier Marvel. Even the complaints a lot of fans have for the first half of season 1, on rewatch, show they were actually taking their time to build backstory. We learn that Coulson has changed. We see him build a new team from scratch. We learn all of the character's deep motivations and what they're good and not good at.
Then the MCU kept throwing curveballs and they adapted and ran the hell with it. Fury never trusted people, and Coulson was the opposite, which is what made him stronger and more relatable. He was unflappable while also never trying to just be intimidating as seems to be Fury's big move.
And by "reboots" every season, the MCU kept changing or they had to manage the stakes they kept putting up. With deep character arcs tying them together. When you try to sum up the entire series in a sentence, I agree it sounds ridiculous. But it was all connected. All of the characters maintained their growth throughout.
And I think the "pod" format... having three major story arcs each season was brilliant. It kept the kinetic energy of the show going. I think people were fed up with being strung along for multiple seasons on one big mystery. Except, those still existed but it wasn't the crux of the show. The problems would be solved but new and bigger ones would show up and they'd deal with it. They were really big on ripping off band-aids and that was refreshing to me.
The writing was fantastic and rewarded people who paid attention. Haven't watched it in awhile? Rewatch it. So many seeds dropped in earlier seasons that pay off, sometimes seasons later.
And the acting talent they got... so much better than they should be. From Daisy's father, to Radcliffe, to Aida. And of course you can't forget Fitz and Simmons.
If we just got Fury, it'd just be a goofball show with everyone acting like how Spider-man and Happy act around Fury in No Way Home. Intimidated by him and Fury just complaining about how incompetent everyone was. Or you get Secret Invasion. Blegh.
I'm glad the comments are tearing it up in here.
Agents of Shield was an awesome show.
Could the show have been better with Nick Fury more present? Maybe. Nick as the protagonist? Probably, but it would be a completely different show.
The show we got was fantastic, and the slander of "the show was bland" or bad in any way, is something I think is a take I strongly disagree with.
The first season I'd say started bland, but once it dropped it's "super threat of the week" mentality and grabbed some focus, it got really good, and stayed good pretty much the whole way through.
The final 2 seasons only happened because of how much people liked the show. Season 5 was supposed to be the end, but people wanted more, so they made a new end. Then they wanted even more, so they made another ending. S6 & 7 had problems, but even those seasons were good. Every season before those were great.
Oh man it had depth it was fantastic
This is a weird video lol. Strongly disagree. I don't think they ever "pivoted" with his character at all, he was never trying to be the new Fury. I think that is just such a weird take.
This show is so much more than any Disney plus show, itnhad lot of heart, stakes, charm, interesting characters and settings worth exploring
So no, you're very wrong, Coulson is bettet than Fury of what he goes through during the show's run, the sacrifices he made especially for his team, they're family.....you don't get it
The best part was the LMD story arc with Aida and the framework. And also the Inhumans really worked. Overall a great addition to the MCU.
I really disagree, the show was great and it did plot twists well, I really liked that it kinda semi-rebooted itself, cause I never knew what to expect, allies became enemies, enemies, became friends, and I think taking it on its own terms is great. I feel like maybe it was hindered by basically getting the scraps that the movies were either not gonna do, or gonna take forever to do, but I think they really did the best with what they could. its flawed, but its still good and maybe even great.
Agents of Shield and Daredevil personally remain as the top tier MCU series waaaay before Disney+
for me, agents of shield joins daredevil and jessica jones as the best TV shows marvel has ever made. both are light years better than anything they've put out on Disney+.
Coulson was fantastic. Agents of Shield was excellent. Whoever made this video obviously has no friends and bad breath.
Im sorry but this is the worst take Ive heard of this brilliant show. It is a masterpiece with cleaver writing, great character-based storytelling and enough twist and turns to keep you engaged for 7 long seasons. Todays marvel tv doesnt come close to what this show accomplished. And of course it should not have been a story of the week-show that is suggested. To watch this series all the way and to not get it.... Wow!
There is no problem with agents of shield. Its a nearly perfect show, and literally every single complainment that might be reasonable are directly grew from the ignorancy of nothing but marvel studios and feige who did not give a fking shit about this show.
This is probably one of the most underrated shows of that era. There were issues in some of the middle seasons but it had some of the coolest storylines ever towards the end. My only issue with this video is that I never thought Fury should have been the main character. Half of the conflicts would be nullified if he was at the front of this show.
You can't call the show bland but then say if it was Nick Fury in there everything would have been fine. AoS was a good show that carved out it's own little space because the Marvel movies wouldn't let it go anywhere else. And it was hardly bland unless you only watched the first season where they had to twiddle their thumbs waiting for Winter Soldier to drop. This was a very weird take and it seems the comments agree!
My favourite Marvel show of all time. It got better and better as it went on and people underrate it way too much.
I'm sure the reason that they didn't have Samuel L. Jackson as the lead of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is because Samuel L. Jackson is a lot more expensive than Clark Gregg. And that's why.
$20 mill for 6 episodes of Secret Invasion.
$50-$75 mill for 22 episodes?
That’s probably the whole budget of the show
Telos from MCU's Secret Invasion felt like a Bootleg Coulsen.
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Shit, that sounds so accurate.
Whole secret invasion was a bootleg agents of shield
I think you're gonna get a lot of push back on this video. Firstly we just saw what happened when Nick Fury got his own series, it didn't turn out so well. Secondly AOS started out extremely bland in the first season and was only after Captain America: Winter Solider that they were forced to pivot the show and became all the better for it. Lastly I would probably take the majority of the offerings from Marvel Television (with the exception of Inhumans) to what we are currently getting from the MCU Disney+ Shows. Which end up being a lot of shows that range from "fine" to just straight up bad.
Right, I’ve never disagreed with Nerdstalgic more. SI has been one of the most disappointing Marvel shows and imo SLJ’s acting didn’t do much for me at all (I find Gregg more compelling). I thought it was weird too how at ~6:00 it was mentioned that the show should have been an adventure-of-the-week with an overarching hydra plot when that’s exactly what the first season was - and like you said it was the pívot away from that formula that made the show more widely loved. I’ve got loves of love for this channel but I think I it’s such a strange take and feels like they either didn’t watch the whole series or got a wildly different experience than other fans.
@@derekbarcelo5479This nerdstratic take feels like the real life personification of “Tell me you didn’t actually watch the show, without telling me you didn’t watch the show.”!🧐
This show was actually fun unlike modern Marvel
Coulson always sees the good in people, that's why he's the heart and soul of SHIELD. Thank you to the best cast and crew. It’s been a phenomenal 7 seasons of tears and laughter and memories.
Agents of SHIELD was actually awesome! Season 1 was rocky, but seasons 2-4 were honestly some of the best MCU content we ever got!
Admittedly season 5 was a little lagging, and it did mean I didn’t end up watching seasons 6-7, but that is something I’d like to fix. I just find season 6 a slog. But that doesn’t take away from how great the show was in its peak! Definitely deserves to be watched.
I couldn't disagree more. The show didn't need Fury, because they had Coulson. You are treating him as Fury Minion or something, when, in fact, in universe, he was, like, Fury right hand man. He wasn't just a guy, he's a SHIELD agent devoted to the cause. Every storyline they used in the show was very well develop and made people that might never heard about Ghost Rider, for exemple, understand his character and what he was about. One of the things that makes SHIELD as good as it is is the amount of inovation that every season provided. You never know what to expect and that's very excting, especially because when it happened, it made sense. I can't say the same for Secret Invasion, who had a lot of Fury, but did things like stop him from calling super heroes because of a personal fight that he sends someone else to fight for him. He said that we can't be dependent of super powers and sends G'iah to go get some. If more Fury means lazy things like this, I much prefer see agent Coulson, or Daisy Johnson on my screen.
This show managed to do the Secret Invasion storyline better than the actual Secret Invasion show.
Despite it all AOS is infinitely better and much, much more interesting than the Disney Plus MCU shows, which IIH have done so much more damage to the Marvel brand.
I dissagre - AOS was amazing,maybe not first half of first season but rest was amazing
Agent of SHIELD was friggin great and I have no idea what you're talking about. After a rough first half of a season it found it's footing and did great things. It's not perfect but it's easily my favourite MCU series by far
Like others have said. I have never disagreed more with Nerdstalgic. Production wise it's as good a video as any of your others but I have to dislike. AoS is brilliant. It never gets stale or boring or tired or any of the things you said because it reinvented itself. That's its strength, not a weakness.
The show famously has the problem or luck that as the seasons progressed the crtic score reduced and the audienced score increased, i feel like the writers knew that they wre doing, they knew that the train which had nick fury and spy thriller weekly episode thing has left the station and they decided to just do everythin to tkeep the audience happy. And tbh it worked, in hindshight i dont need to thin khard about the show, in a way it has heart that it knows that its not deep, but it doesnt need to be deep to be good. Sometimes i just want couple of super heroes playing agents and kicking ass.
Critic score is rigged and skewed anyways, audience is what matters
@@alfonsohr02Audience score these days gets significantly influenced by people who haven’t watch the show
Honestly, agents of SHIELD was hampered by being to the rest of the MCU as season was kind of meh until the captain america sequel revealed that HYDRA had been inside of S.H.I.E.L.D. for years. Once they went on to do their own thing the show was great with amazing characters and chemistry. Sure there were a few issues I had with the show here and there but I still loved the show more towards the end of season 1 till the finale of season 7.
AOS was handled the table scraps of the MCU with a network tv budget and lots of restrictions, yet still managed to be a great show despite it
Fury literally ranked up because of Skrulls all of his career, gets to the top because of them, messes with a powerful alien relic which caused the battle of NYC and allowed Coulson to die during the battle, he let S.H.I.E.L.D fall, let Talos die and almost allowed an alien invasion to happen. Coulson slowly rose the ranks “in the dark”, wasn’t even given details of his own death by Fury and saved the world 4 different times after Fury just kinda bailed when the agency collapsed. Coulson is the man who oversaw the construction of the helicarrier which Fury took and was the star at the end of ‘Age of Ultron’ and gave Coulson zero credit for it and the Avengers still think he’s dead, then Coulson legit became Ghost Rider to take out a man that can create matter which basically killed him at the end of season 5. Kinda resurrects in season 6 but not really. Then he became an android and saved the world again from a different alien race far superior than the skrulls and created one of marvels best strongest female characters of all time besides maybe Captain Marvel. Coulson deserves to be more on the big screen than Fury does. Coulson is the legitimate definition of a ride or die.
if an actor is famous it does not mean that he is better and only he should have acted. Coulson was great as a leader! Clark Gregg did an excellent job in his role. The whole cast was great.
Impermanence in the story and characters is what drives our love and attachment to the show.We probably won't ever see anything like it again.
The show sure has lows and highs. But I think everyone agrees seasons 4 and 7 are really good. I personally didn't like the ghosts in season 4, but everything that follows is amazing.
I always hated how Fury did Coulsen so dirty after his death. Not by bringing him back but by taking his prized possession, his Avenger cards, smearing blood all over them so they’re ruined just to add a little extra effect. I wonder what Coulsen’s reaction was when he got back to his locker and thought “where the f*ck are my cards?!”
First: Do your Marvel comics research. The white Nick Fury is Nick Fury Sr. The Samuel L Jackson Fury is Nick Fury Jr. Also Nick Fury Jr. Is based from The Ultimates comics, just like the MCU.
Secoundly: there wasn't a problem with the show, there is a problem with the viewer
Best marvel show ever. Overhated in my opinion
Agent carter and Agents of shield are great shows man
Usually agree but in this case I think you've got it wrong. Yeah it had some low points and got off to a slow start but for the most part it was actually a really good show. Much better than the Disney+ shows of late. I watch this over She-Hulk any day!
I’m a huge AoS fan and think it’s better than every other Marvel TV show(Yes that includes Daredevil), but back off She-Hulk. That show was unfortunately among the best and most rewatchable that Disney+ has made. I say that with a heavy heart and regret.😢
this video was built on the premise that AOS wasn't good. but it was good. so..... no need to make this particular video.
but it's fine. could have been an AI generated script for all I know.
Fury is an ass and tbh after watching Secret Invasion im kinda glad that Agents Of Shield didnt make him the more of a central figure. If he popped up a bit more now and again across the seasons then maybe (i thought they might have brought it back round to the SWORD stuff at the end) but i dont think it should have been a super important thing.
Agents of Shield though doesnt really need fixing, Coulson is great and still very much embodies the everyman as the series continues and shows he has way more heart and likeability than Nick Fury ever had. Shield was actually fun and inventive despite the restrictions placed on what they could do amd had some of the best character development in Marvel across the seven seasons.
I would rather have another 5 seasons of Shield than something like Secret Invasion anyday. And it seems like Marvel are learning their lesson now as they turn back to more traditional TV models.
Imagine what they could do with a show like Shield now? A multiseason show, where reinvention is part of the DNA and they are ACTUALLY ALLOWED to touch all these different corners of the marvel universe and see it from a different perspective. And give it the disney+ budget. I want more of that please... Not half baked superhero spy shows that doesnt want to invest time into its characters (secret invasion)
The show kept doing new things, the characters grew, relationships evolved and everyone was amazing in their parts. To say the show didn’t work is to be woefully ignorant of the stories it told as the most certainly did work well. I wish Fury had shown up a few more times but aside from that I don’t think having him head it up would have made it better. Usually I hate that US tv has so many episodes in a series but AoS used that time to build our hatred of Ward, to flesh out a story so it didn’t feel rushed, to explore more than one idea in a single series and to have the relationships and characters grow naturally as time passes. Series 4 is a great showcase of doing more than one plot as an arc with Ghostrider, the LMDs and the Framework all coming together in the best series AoS had. All the disney+ shows have had fatal flaws and I don’t really care to revisit any of them but AoS I have seen multiple times.
Agents of Shield fans are praising the show for years and are trying to convince people to watch it, and then comes your video with such a negative conclusion.
The writer of this video seems like they've seen the whole show, but why would they keep watching for so long. Mmm... 🤔
Agents of Shield was great if you respected it for what it was. During it's run it was scorned by people and called non-canon and then those same people also hated the canon shows. 🤷🏾♀️ The biggest flaw was not picking the strongest storylines and expanding on them. Global terragenesis should have had more time to do something because there were multiple groups of Inhumans and we only met two of them. We have several minor Inhuman characters that were created as just in case placeholders and never used again after a few episodes. Hell, they created Mike Peterson/Dethlok and then he just faded into obscurity.
The everything sucks narrative started with the marvel movies. Then it got pushed harder on AoS. Now it’s expanded to everything. I have gotten to the point I ignore reviews again because of the trend.
While I think seeing Fury a bit more in AoS would have been interesting, Colson and the team were way more interesting as characters! I loved that it was about a team that wasn't the top of the top. I think the issue, as you said, is that the show tried to go too big with its plots.
It was on for 7 years. How exactly was it a flash in the pan?
Never disagreed more with Nerdstalgic. I was disheartened after watching the video but it's good to see most of the comments agreeing with my view :D
This was by no means a bad show; which the video seems to imply
While Nerdstalgic is known for their hot takes and after watching the entire video, I definitely disagree with everything said about AOS.
It was the right move to keep Coulson on the show and have him lead the team, the dynamic would not have been the same if it were just Fury.
Samuel is the greatest, but Coulson's personality and struggles are something fans related to more, and watching him and team develop was very enjoyable.
Agree to disagree.
Strongly disagree, couldnt disagree more really. The show started out pretty meh, but with potential. When the hydra reveal came it got good, and by season 2 very good. Season 3 was even better and the forth season was incredible. The show had a lot of heart, and with lovable, smart characters and some really great dialogue. It was capable of ripping your heart out at times. No Disney+ show has even come close to its worst seasons, let alone its best. Agents of Shield was and is an underrated gem of a show that I'd highly recommend to anyone.
AOS was awesome. Coulson was awesome. If you made a video about how Lincoln and Mack were insufferable, I’d be on board but I couldn’t disagree more with this video
Love your vids but gotta disagree with this one chief. AoS has cemented itself as not only a great superhero show but a great show in general. Season 4 is one of the best season in all of television imo and this video does not do it justice whatsoever.
"Overall, AOS is a bland and somewhat disappointing viewing experience"
Okay, so either nerdstalgic is bias against AOS or they clearly didn't watch the show. Yes, the fact that AOS kept trying to tie into the MCU did hurt it narratively in some aspects and as to how and how badly, I'll leave that for others to debate. I have an issue with how you've described the show. It doesn't sound fair or balanced and throughout the video you've been putting it down and pointing out it's "flaws" and acknowledging few if none of it's strength. For example, as a tie in to the MCU, it's bad but as a show independent of the MCU it is a great show undoubtedly. Even some of the examples used to show how much of a mess it is (the inhumans, the time travel in season 5, the Ghost Rider) are actually concepts that were executed well in the show itself if you watch the show in it's entirety.
And Coulson sacrificing himself for Daisy makes complete sense in terms of character within the show. Throughout every season in AOS we see this is the type of person he is as him and Daisy end up growing a psuedo-father-daughter relationship. In the show we see that he is a loyal Shield agent, a bureaucrat and so much more.
I think in an effort to justify your conclusion, you've blinded yourself to all the good that AOS has give and thus why it stayed on the air for 7 seasons when. I encourage you to reevaluate your research process because to call AOS bland and/or a disappointment shows how little you know about it, it's storyline, narratives and characters and the fanbase that it has earned.
I realise that as a fan I have a bias here but I just wanted to get this off my chest
AoS had a rough start but just like Buffy it found it's way and audience after a while. It's one of the very few Marvel shows I stuck with. I don't really care much for Nick Fury, but that show had me for the time it was on.
Eh, no.
For the sake of having a reply that's longer than 6 characters, this video gets a lot wrong.
This was a comic book show. The switches are very much echoing what you see in Avengers & X-Men comics. Casts change, settings change, you get alternative realities, time travel, guest stars, heel turns, body swaps, deaths & resurrections. They deal with magic, rogue AI, aliens, rival spies & super-powered bad guys.
There's a fundamental misunderstanding of Coulson's character. He's a bureaucrat in the same sense Maria Hill is a bureaucrat. Theyre spies FFS! Being "baby" Nick Fury just means he does stuff that Fury does. Because, they're both senior leaders of a spy organisation. Coulson just has a better sense of humour & he's kinder.
It really feels like the review doesn't engage with the show itself. Not a single mention of Daisy, May, Fitzsimons, Mack, Yoyo etc.
For the most part, it criticises the show for not being what it never tried to be.
Coulson was freaking awesome in aos
He wasn’t the new fury tho he was director yes but he did it in his own unique way
Tell me u didn’t understand the assignment without telling me u didn’t understand the assignment
U clearly watched like one episode and then googled the rest and it shows
Coulson being an absolute gem the whole time.
Feel what you feel, think what you want. Just don't be surprised if you are completely wrong. Always keep an open mind even when you "think" you know what is happening or might happen...
That's what makes AOS so good. It gets us all with it's twists and turns.
It’s very good that they didn't choose Fury. Coulson was amazing! Thanks to him, the show turned out to be so soulful.
someone clearly didnt watch the show, it only got better when it separated itself
This is the first time I've felt like I'm watching a content farm on this channel. Which is what it is. Like you didn't really watch the whole show did you, you just read the wiki.
Tony thought he invented time travel but Phil has been doing it 😂
easily the best marvel show to date
Fury doesn't needs to be a lead, but having him at least twice per season would be good. He doesn't even need to share the same space as the main cast, he can appear on a screen or as a hologram.
The most disappointing thing about AoS is the last season. While every season before hand can believably happen in the background of the film, the last season doesn't fit into the Infinity War and End game timeline. I really like a lot of the concepts and characters and I do hope they'll show back up in the main MCU proper, even if they need to do a bit of reconning.
I love Agents of Shiled. I'd at least like the cast reused-especaily Chloe Bennet as Quake. She was the real star!
Arguably a better show than anything on Disney+ since.
No argument there my friend, actual Disney+ Shows are Superbad, with only few exceptions like Wanda and Loki, the rest sucked ass
While the first couple of Agents of Shield seasons were pretty bland, I stuck with it and found that about the mid-point of the run it started getting enjoyable to watch, and then I seemed to like each subsequent season more and more. It still wasn't great, but I found myself looking forward to each new season and was genuinely sad when it finally wrapped up.
Did you watch the show or…..?
Clark Gregg did great. Didn't need Fury🙄. The Show finished strong. Detaching from the MCU was a good thing for them.
@ultrabrian8151 🤔 They were literally in alternate timelines
@ultrabrian8151They did a whole two seasons of multiversal traveling in the last two seasons.