Joe Reacts Live: LazerPig: The T-34 is not as good as you think it is

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  • @Rob_Fordd
    @Rob_Fordd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Fun fact, Charles De Gaulle saw the way the wind was blowing and loudly demanded the French military modernize its structure and place new emphasis on armored warfare tactics. He was demoted for this and wrote a book about the future of armored warfare in like 1932, which sold just a few dozen copies in France but over 10,000 copies in Germany... De Gaulle was also the only french armor commander to beat german armor in the field during the invasion. Dude was a badass. The moment he heard that France was surrendering he was like "oh fuck that shit" and rolled up to the treasury in Paris with his men, took a bunch of gold, and flew to britain to form a government and military in exile.

    • @BHuang92
      @BHuang92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Add the fact that he was a WW1 veteran and was 6 foot tall which was very tall back in the day. His tank he commanded had to have a pillow cushion. He had personally known Petain since Petain was his commander during WW1 which after WW2, deGaulle was instrumental in communing Petain to house arrest (he could've been sentenced to death due to being a collaborator to Nazi Germany)

    • @anzaca1
      @anzaca1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      De Gaulle was a bit of a dick, though. For example, he charged ahead towards Paris, despite the rest of the Allies wanting to avoid overectension. His force could easily have been cut off and wiped out.

    • @mikistenbeck6517
      @mikistenbeck6517 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      so france sealed it's own fate under WW2 by laughing in the face of Charles.... kinda fecking deserved to be invaded then...

    • @TheMaypo2
      @TheMaypo2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@BHuang92 Actually he was 6' 5"

    • @IONATVS
      @IONATVS 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@anzaca1Yeah, De Gaulle was a great field commander and critical to the liberation of France, but simultaneously had a huge ego & temper everyone had to tiptoe around, and was, frankly, more focused on flashy glorious short-term tactical & propaganda victories than long-term strategic & logistical ones. Which kinda makes it understandable why the generals above him didn’t listen to him until too late.

  • @jjfwwhlol5923
    @jjfwwhlol5923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    19:52 that part about Russian logistics aged soooo well

    • @nintendofan1749
      @nintendofan1749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Like a fine wine 🍷

    • @JamesRT1291
      @JamesRT1291 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s like history repeats itself or something

    • @Poctyk
      @Poctyk ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Wait until you hear about an article by the Economist IIRC from Crimean war where one of the biggest problems named facing Russian army was...attrocious logistics

    • @JamesRT1291
      @JamesRT1291 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Poctyk LMAO 🤣

    • @kazekamiha
      @kazekamiha ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JamesRT1291 Repeats or echoes; depending on who you talk to.

  • @marcusofhyboria6854
    @marcusofhyboria6854 2 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    I used to be a commieboo (thank you Call of Duty World at war) and I thought the T-34 was the GOAT tank but the more research I did the more I realized it really didn’t live up to the hype.

    • @brennanleadbetter9708
      @brennanleadbetter9708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That’s how they get you. And then people start using War Thunder and World of Tanks as a source.

    • @thesparpanzer4151
      @thesparpanzer4151 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@brennanleadbetter9708 Well actually 🤓 the t-34s drivers hatch can shrug off Abrams rounds

    • @ls93780
      @ls93780 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not an altogether terrible design for its time, it just wasn’t made particularly well.

    • @marcusofhyboria6854
      @marcusofhyboria6854 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ls93780 True, but even if they built the T-34 correctly it’s still no better than the M4 Sherman.

    • @dillonpierce7869
      @dillonpierce7869 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅 buddy I used to love catching unsuspecting t34's in that game online on that little grate on the back. 2 or 3 hits it's down. 🫡

  • @martenkahr3365
    @martenkahr3365 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    46:30 That's not entirely true about the French "forgetting". The whole war plan they had was built around the idea that the Maginot Line would leave the Germans no choice but to go through Belgium. And if it looked like things were headed to war, then Belgium would let in French and British troops before the war began, and they would take up some excellent defensive positions along rivers in eastern Belgium weeks before the war actually began. Except Belgium's dysfunctional government chickened out in 1939, proclaimed neutrality and refused to let the French and British troops in until the Germans actually crossed their border. One of the reasons so much of the French army found itself encircled when the Germans made their surprise attack through the Ardennes was because the bulk of the French forces were scrambling forward (without solid Army communications, because no radio, just messengers motorcycles, horses and bicycles) through Belgium to take up those pre-planned positions that had already been overrun by that point.
    Also, two decades of interwar budget cuts and a little something called the Great Depression left France with massive problems of corruption (most notably: many reservist rolls were full of fictional people, and the officers of the unit would pocket the budget intended to pay salaries and training expenses of their fictional troops for themselves) and alcoholism in the Army, and their government wouldn't give the Army money for useless fad technologies like portable radios.

    • @nightstorm5914
      @nightstorm5914 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      wasnt there also a french commander who forgot a key to unlock a stronghold, so there just left it open for the germans?

  • @nightstorm5914
    @nightstorm5914 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    48:32 Sabaton "Ghost Division" starts playing

  • @5tarSailor
    @5tarSailor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    "they forgot to think that Belgium exists" understandable. Any reasonable human would forget that they exist

    • @Jargolf86
      @Jargolf86 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not if you like Beer. And this is coming from a German.

  • @darthrevan4933
    @darthrevan4933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Funny you mentioned French tanks caring more wine than shells I used to work with a guy who’s dad was a tanker (in the Canadian army) and when they were in wine country they started filling all the empty slots on their amo rack with bottles of wine

    • @airplanemaniacgaming7877
      @airplanemaniacgaming7877 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm guessing about 90% of the ammo racks had wine in them then.
      Sometimes I hate how badly our government treats our military here.

  • @Shaun_Jones
    @Shaun_Jones 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I have to recommend LazerPig’s Bradley Wars video if you want to see the reformers get ripped new assholes.

  • @ripLunarBirdCLH
    @ripLunarBirdCLH 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Two things about The Maginot Line.
    1. It wasn't as scary as you think it was. The Maginot Line was the most powerful just after it was built, but then ammo and resources actually kept there were severely limited. So the Germans actually *DID* stand a decent chance against The Maginot Line simply because soldiers inside those bunkers wouldn't be able to last long.
    2. Hitler actually wanted to attack The Maginot Line head on. It was one of those cases when the generals saves The Third Reich from Hitler's madness.

  • @RandomTrinidadian
    @RandomTrinidadian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Damn, I missed the live stream.
    And I can confirm than Red Army fan boys get major butt over this

  • @Xtra_Medium
    @Xtra_Medium 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Audio starts @ 1:07

  • @anzaca1
    @anzaca1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    45:54 The French Char B1 Bis was immune to all German guns from the front at the time, except at very close range.

    • @bradanklauer8926
      @bradanklauer8926 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Laughs in 88mm

    • @anzaca1
      @anzaca1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bradanklauer8926 The Char was immune to German tank guns. The 88 could kill it, yes, but against German tanks it was fine.

    • @morrogin5986
      @morrogin5986 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@anzaca1 actualy, german AAR put the number of tank kills done by the 88s as fairly low, less than 100 iirc.

  • @pyronuke4768
    @pyronuke4768 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So I just need to say something about the maginot line that is often overlooked: it was supposed to be a joint French-Belgium project. France would build forts along their border, and send funding to Belgium so they could do the same.
    Cut to 1935; the project has been going on for six years now and while the Belgians have made some progress, it's nowhere near the same level that the French had (there is also some evidence to suggest the Belgians had siphoning funds from the project to try and get their own economy out of the gutter). Then the leader of Belgium died and while his successor had no love for the Germans, he also didn't want a repeat of the first world war destroying his nation all over again. So he canned their side of the project all together and made a non aggression pact with Adolf.
    It wasn't that France forgot Belgium existed, but that Belgium peaced out of the agreement towards the end and Frace suddenly had a big exposed flank to defend. They'd spent nine years and millions of francs and now all they could do was send their best armies to the north and hope what they had left of maginot line did it's job at dissuading the Germans from attacking France's border directly (in which respect you could say it was reasonably successful).

  • @MLaak86
    @MLaak86 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If I'm not mistaken I think Belgium actually demanded that France not build the Maginot line along their border...

  • @warfoxtwozero5777
    @warfoxtwozero5777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure if you know about this Joe, but there is a film called 1944 Tali-Ihantala. It's a Finnish language film about the Continuation War of June 1944 when the Soviets invaded Finland again.

  • @przemog88
    @przemog88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    46:30 You are aware that main plan of French defence was to make frontline in Belgium and exactly there they concentrated their best armies, right?

    • @Schluge96
      @Schluge96  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I am aware, im just making fun and oversimplifying. My stuff isnt meant to be taken too seriously.

    • @przemog88
      @przemog88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Schluge96 Ah, sorry then :D

  • @_S.T.A.L.K.E.R._
    @_S.T.A.L.K.E.R._ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    9:50 What second front? North Africa? yes that significantly helped, but the invasion of Italy happened around the same time as Kursk, which is well after the "turning point" on the Eastern front.
    12:18 soviet production of the T-34 and its variants ceased in 1946, the Czechs and Poles produced them into the 50's but almost all Soviet T-34's were made during the war, there were modifications to it made after like the T-34-85M but this happened to very few tanks as they were reserve tanks, saying quality of most Soviet T-34's is due to being made post war is just a lie.
    13:49 the Aberdeen crew tested a T-34-76 in 1943, cyclone filters had been widely installed on T-34's since 1942, the T-34 in question broke down after traveling 343km. Acting like tanks don't break down is fucking atrocious.
    After watching this far I can deal with the lying. It's actively genociding my brain cells.

  • @TheGallantDrake
    @TheGallantDrake 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Man, people just expect the ammo and fuel to take care of itself. Mind you, I never thought about it until the whole Ukraine crisis but still. You’d think we’d be better at this by now.

    • @TrinityCore60
      @TrinityCore60 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That makes me wonder. How IS the war going? I don’t watch the news (they have next to nothing worthwhile anymore), so I haven’t heard how it’s currently going. Are the Ukrainians still holding on?

  • @anzaca1
    @anzaca1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    24:53 I was playing as the Matilda III in War Thunder yesterday. I was taking fire from 3 enemies at once, from the front, and I was fine.

  • @2ethefirst318
    @2ethefirst318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The concept of sloped armour is so old it’s kinda funny to imagine people think the Soviets “invented” it. Outside of sloped castle walls, the principal was also understood by medieval blacksmiths, which is why they always made body armour as curved as possible.

  • @juhovuolinko6446
    @juhovuolinko6446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    48:36 as pyronuke476 pointed out, the Maginot line ended on the Belgium border because France had a deal with Belgium and the latter peaced out of it. But in addition, the French also had another area they didn't pay attention to - the Ardennes.
    At the time (and even to this day) heavily forested areas are a nightmare terrain for any major tank + motorized infantry forces to get through, so the French thought nothing big was coming there especially since the Belgium problem was very apparent at the time. Sure they placed some lighter elements there to keep an eye out for sneaky scout unit raids and such, but nothing severe - they needed the big guns ready to slpa krauts in Belgium and a large scale armored assault through nightmare terrain would surely be noticed well ahead of time, right?
    *Nope*.
    Whether it was Manstein, Guderian, Hitler or one of their underlings that came up with the plan, the Ardennes operation was kept as a very close secret because, as is often emphasized, it relied on the surprise factor. Had they been spotted a week or two before attacking, French + Brits could've moved a respectable amount of guns to turn any possible exits from the forests into killing zones. Alas, they didn't spot it in time, the armored offensive came completely out of the blue and began to royally fuck up French logistics and rear lines.
    Fun fact: the Ardennes success may have been one of the reasons behind Manstein coming up with his reasoning for the final successful plan to take Sevastopol: "If the enemy believes something to be impossible, they will aslo believe we will not even attempt it. For that reason alone, we have to attempt it."

    • @morrogin5986
      @morrogin5986 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      counter point.
      the ardens had been ID as a potential weakness in the french lines, having a reserve tank division placed near it.
      however when it was found that a counterattack was needed, the french gave the job to the local commander...who refused to counter attack until he had the order in writing. this took several hours to sort out.

  • @Thedirtshed
    @Thedirtshed ปีที่แล้ว +2

    48:26 “its only a crime if you lose” -famous last words

  • @TheRyderShotgunn
    @TheRyderShotgunn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i had a discussion with some friends about the maginot line and belgium before, and we came to the conclusion that the french couldnt really extend the maginot line to cover belgium as well. because it's not really a good political move to basically set up defenses behind your ally as if you expect them to be unable to hold their own. similarly, extending the line into belgium probably wasnt an option either, probably because of politics and/or logistics
    so the french did what they did. the maginot line stopped at the belgium border, and in the event of an invasion, france would reinforce belgium.
    problem with that was, if im remembering my lindybeige right, the french deployed their tanks as if they were bunkers, so in a long, thin line. meanwhile the nazis were debuting their new tank warfare concept of "attacking one point in the defensive line with all their units" and "giving the troops meth".
    i also remembered that there were some dense forests that no one expected tanks to go through, but the nazis sent tanks through it anyway and they got through.

  • @chriscw3487
    @chriscw3487 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    would just like to point out it was neither winter nor a second front that stopped the German advance ....german logistics and Russian resistance stopped the German advance ...mostly the logistics ....an issue the head of German logistics pointed out to everyone BEFORE the invasion of Russia ...they didnt listen

  • @BHuang92
    @BHuang92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The metallurgical part that Lazerpig covers fail to mention that Italy also had that problem when it came to steel quality only that it was compounded with bad designs; i.e M13/40 series.
    Edit: To be fair, the Maginot lone was supposed to extend along the Belgian border but it pissed off the Belgians since it meant it was like the equivalent of being thrown under the bus. So big mistake on Belgium for being stubborn.

  • @buddamassa
    @buddamassa ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You see the problem is this.. pretty much anything the war ministry produced in Russia had the a very loose production quality..that applies to anything they produce..this can be a "Good" thing..AK47 I am looking at you...or a "Bad" thing aircraft, submarines, ships and well tanks and pretty much everything else... Russian designs look good for the most part, their production of said designs are another matter all together. 😂

  • @HF7-AD
    @HF7-AD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:10:00 "Ww2 was won by British intelligence, American steel and soviet men." I don't remember where I heard that quote from.

    • @nintendofan1749
      @nintendofan1749 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "WWII was won by British Brains, American Brawn, and Russian Blood." - Joesph Stalin

  • @thomascooley2749
    @thomascooley2749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Lazer pig is amazing watch the ho229 vid still laughing at that intro

  • @krazypotatopotato6743
    @krazypotatopotato6743 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    At 28:06 it says the frontal armor will deflects rounds coming from the direct front to the side not up but to the side

  • @SkorpionDoorman
    @SkorpionDoorman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Incorrect. The "Not One Step Back" order wasn't an order for the troops, it was an order for the officers who had a very bad habit of leaving the battlefield and leaving their troops for dead at the slightest hint something wasn't going their way. Stalin saw this as cowardly and, knowing him probably also saw this as plotting against him, ordered officers to not retreat. Soldiers themselves were fine to do it, but the officers on the other hand? One hint of retreat and they would be arrested as a traitor. RARELY were people actually shot for retreating and really only because they proved to be too much of a liability to be trusted with anything.

  • @baul997
    @baul997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not only d day Was an opening Germany was stretched across multiple fronts and fighting countless resistance movements all over Europe, Italy was breaking, allied bombing of German industry wich basically set a timer too the German warmachine and the biggest reason in my opinion the Russians didn't break. Lend lease to Russia. Most importantly US oil, wheat and logistics trucks otherwise even Russia wouldn't have hold out. They where on their last legs when defeating Germany with the allies and had Churchill got his will and political power at home they could have defeated Russia

  • @JamesRT1291
    @JamesRT1291 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    22:38 you funny thing is throwing paper at the enemy would have been more productive than throwing your men at the enemy, cuz you’ll still have soldiers to fight your enemy

  • @Rammstein0963.
    @Rammstein0963. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I see your Matilda and raise you a StuG III with the long 75...
    So much for that. 😁

  • @bluestorm3628
    @bluestorm3628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    While I would like to discuss the hole German going around the French fortifications though Belgium, this will be talked about already in these comments so instead I’m going to recommend this video posted right here hope you enjoy it it’s a pretty good one.😊
    th-cam.com/video/-XVHYg6gvWU/w-d-xo.html

    • @samuel10125
      @samuel10125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah I mean going around is an over simplification of the situation also British cowardice is a myth that really needs to do die.

  • @airplanemaniacgaming7877
    @airplanemaniacgaming7877 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Matilda in War Thunder is also a giga-chad. I love hopping in that thing when I'm tired of being blown up by giga-dickless losers at the high BRs, even when I'm still able to kick ass with the Firefly, because it's a lot less of a headache to roll around with the 2-pounder and a fuckload of armour and just watch the enemy team try and fail to poke a hole in my armour while I just quickly load a nice large holepuncher.

  • @samuel10125
    @samuel10125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hell sure Russians where quite fond of the Valentines.

    • @nightstorm5914
      @nightstorm5914 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yes, but their put a bigger gun on it

  • @OuPoot999
    @OuPoot999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Also, most big roided up guys have no stamina. They get tired reeeaaally fast.

  • @steffent.6477
    @steffent.6477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, technically the 85mm gun is similar to the tigers 88mm gun. Both are based on AA guns. But then comes the quality point...^^

  • @Rob_Fordd
    @Rob_Fordd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In general of course being in any tank hit by AP from another is an extreeemely shit place to be. I read an interview from a russian tank driver from WWII who had extensive experience in both T-34's and lend lease Shermans. He loved the shermans for how roomy they were, but he also spoke of how he was in one once that was hit, and two of the crew got their legs cut off and died soon after. War is grim.

    • @martenkahr3365
      @martenkahr3365 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here's the thing though: he lived to tell about how his Sherman got penetrated, even if two of the crew didn't. People who lived to tell of their experience in a T-34 that got penetrated were far fewer.

  • @smurphy1354
    @smurphy1354 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best tank in Wot used to be KV3 when it was tier 6. Practically immune to everything tier 5 and below and very resistant to tier 6. Could also 1 shot most tier 5 or smaller.

    • @martenkahr3365
      @martenkahr3365 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nah, best was definitely back in the early days, when it was just the "KV". Functionally a tier 5 KV-1 as stock, yes, but a turret and gun upgrade made it the KV-2 with the giant derp, still at tier 5. Which was just hilariously broken when it was top tier, and still dangerous to any tank even when it had to face the handful of tier 9s that existed back then thanks to +4 MM.

  • @mortallychallenged
    @mortallychallenged 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ye

  • @metaleggman1402
    @metaleggman1402 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I shoot a Matilda through the barrel and easily destroyed it it ain’t that good

  • @mikistenbeck6517
    @mikistenbeck6517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i'm a T-34 fanboy, (kinda) but i know it was bad, it was Versatile, it was there when the USSR needed it, there was a LOT of them, but overall it was just a pile of piss on tracks. Hell even the Ferdinand panzerjager was better then the T-34, AND THAT DIDN'T EVEN REALLY SEE COMBAT AT ALL. for real tho, making a list of the Faults the Elephant had would take a fucking lifetime and a half. but the gist of it is the cannons either exploded after *_one_* shot or the Tank itself broke down enroute to the combat area. Joe actually talks more about it in his Panther Paradox reaction towards the end due to a question.

    • @Rammstein0963.
      @Rammstein0963. ปีที่แล้ว

      Erm...the Ferdinand/Elefant actually saw service from Kursk onwards with the last one lost outside Berlin iirc.
      And it used the exact same 88 L/71 as the Jagdpanther...which didn't have any noticeable problems using it.

    • @mikistenbeck6517
      @mikistenbeck6517 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rammstein0963. i'm talking about the Machine itself, i know now that it was good thanks to Conofarc's video in it, but overall it was ridden with problems.

  • @Historylord15
    @Historylord15 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    41:41 That song is a true banger