just wanted to let you know, Mr FullyCharged that you have a fan who lives in Delft. Love you channel and was pleased to hear Delft getting mentioned on your channel :) .
We've been leasing EVs for five years and don't ever pay for electricity. Our city, Palm Springs has about 24 free stations around town that are getting more used now. We just finished installing a 5 kw solar pv system with battery storage (9.8 kwh) on the house that can power the Level II charger mid day, or we get a special midnight EV rate and charge it then at 18 cents/kwh. Net metering usually offsets that charge, so 10 months of the year, electricity is free.
Are you listening Ecotricity???? If you charge people (per kwh, fancy that!) then this is the level of service you expect! From what I understand the Fastned stations have their own wifi so app only access is not so much an issue!
Here in Montreal, we have a flat rate of $2.50 CAD (for level 2 charging), which is terrible for if you just want to charge for a short time. I like the idea of having different rate options, but 79 euro cents per kWh is kinda ridiculous, as it's probably as expensive as driving on gasoline.
I probably wouldn't pay €0.79 unless it was a very fast charge but €0.45 I'd be very happy with. If they could roll out more chargers in France, Germany & England it could be a great business! 👍🏻 🔌 🚘
+NostalgicWalrus Gasoline is about 33 kWh/gal and petroleum-based diesel is about 37 kWh/gal. so, if you take IC efficiency to be about 30%, figure on an equivalence factor of 10-12 kWh/gal. The 35 cents isn't bad, but yes, the 79 cent price is eating into the economic justification for EVs, even at European fuel prices. And don't forget the subscription cost to get the lower rate.
But, there isn't really a huge service, other than having a roof... At least it could have a toilet, or a "waiting room" or "free wifi" or something... I understand that it is expensive to build a station like this, but this wouldn't make me buy an electric car if I wasn't able to charge it at home...
+Cooper Pinter of course not. One should not have an electric car if you can't charge at home or at work or somewhere else you visit at least a couple of hours a day. With self driving cars where the car drives off and charges itself over night, catching at home won't be an issue.
It's another great idea from us dutch. Although driving electric I didn't use it yet, there is no Fastned on our routes and it is a bit expensive but great when you need it. In our small country we don't have 'range anxiety' anymore, we have the 'RANGE GAME''. In our Zoe the battery computer and the route calculator play a game. When i have to drive over a 120 k's with 60 k or more on a highway (max. speed 130 km/h) Maria (my Tomtom voice) always tells me I won't make and starts getting anxious. So I start with limited cruising speeds (100 km/h). Along the way the battery range goes down slower then the 'distance left' on my route calculator. Most of the time i can speed up until the speed limit the second half of my journey. In this way it has become a 'RANGE GAME' and i would like to call on Robert to use the frase 'RANGE GAME' in stead of the frightened sounding, and dull 'range anxiety'.
Ah nice, some info on new infrastructure is very welcome. I have kinda been banging on about how important the infrastructure is to the development of the EV .... for a few years, I guess. Ah well, even with this much change, I still think range extended EV's will be the most popular during the transition period. But it's good to see such dedicated people. :)
They say in the future that people in apartments won't be able to charge their cars at home. But I think it won't be long before apartment complexes, particularly in Norway where they're expecting rapid EV adoption, will begin to provide charging option. They may even put in their own solar and wind production in order to be a local power supply company and be able to charge for it.
I'm very excited about the prospect of faster charging capability. That is the key to me moving to an EV since I can't charge at home and don't wish to wait around for longish periods of time while it charges. 10 minutes was mentioned and that sounds almost plausible.
Good point about apartment dwellers. I'd have bought an electric car this year, but there's no way to put in a charger at my apartment, and we don't have a network like this. I live in Los Angeles, and there certainly are chargers, but nothing as convenient and well-maintained as gas stations. The Tesla charging stations are probably great, but they need ten times more.
got a first drive of a Nissan leaf (newest model) and loved it, so very very quiet... i hope in the next 4 years (when it's time to swap my car) then charging is quicker/easier or there is a street charging solution for me. currently I cannot home charge and what chargers are available are out of my daily commute and usually busy, but I foresee that changing
Read the small print: www.nissan-cdn.net/content/dam/Nissan/nissan_europe/NL/pdf/Voorwaarden_e-Vier_pakket.pdf Just asked if this offer is still valid as the conditions say the offer is good until June 30th...
I feel like if they added a little coffee stand, they could generate enough money to not need to have a monthly membership. Or the membership could include coffee perks, something like that. Also, did Robert cover how fast it charged his Tesla? I might have missed that.
It was you who pointed out that the refineries use a lot of electricity. So the UK could offer free electricity for life for electric cars if they stop refining oil. And the cost will come from the tax. It will be like using the roads in the UK.
We in the U.S.A already have supercharger stations along with other commercial and residential locations with minimal to supercharger or CHAdeMO chargers. The most popular site for sharing charging station info is Plugshare.
Joshua Cornell Wow that sounded condescending. You do realise Europe and Asia also have Supercharger stations too...right? Guess what...we also have cellphones and sliced bread!! I bet you didn't know that, did you?! The point of these stations, is that they are a one-size fits all solution. You can put them along the highway without needing to own a Tesla to use them.
some chargers are actually under ground too, collect solar on surface of ground, drive under the the solar collectors and in a into a coffee shop, Submarine sandwiches, Arby's for lunch, dinner and snacks while car charges and then you are on your way.
I like this charging company - rare statement from me considering I am a Tesla fun. Future planning from companies other than Tesla is a boost to EVs. And 5 times faster charging by 2020 - WOW - instead of 30 to 40 min charge now, it will be between 5 to 10 min charge to reach 100%. 5 min charge is the golden ticket - because that is only 2 min slower than filling up a fully loaded fuel tank for large cars - e.g. Vans, Hummer, Bentley, etc, which fill up in 3 mins.
I'm still confused how these are different you the regular chargers at regular service stations but that's probably because my finger isn't very on the pulse with this arena.
I use FastNed a few times a week, for just short charges. 5 to 15 minutes. The way it works is very convenient. I expect the pricings to drop a few cents/kWh. There is a taxreduction on electric power sold through charging stations on it's way.
Why people still think charging stations have to look like petrol stations? What are you supposed to do while you charge? Charging can be installed everywhere like at a restaurant so you can eat something while you wait. And restaurant owners or other businesses might provide charging for free to attract customers.
Hi, Tim! Maybe the designers have got to make allowances for hybrid cars and stupid people. Sure, hybrids don't need chargers - that's what the engine's for... But what about all those people who never read manuals? They'd not know that; and petrol and sparks have a l-o-n-g history of going boom. Pure EVs are harmless enough (unless the batteries burst into flames, killing untold millions of innocent voters and devastating the land), but if hybrids have got petrol on board as well... Hmmm. Batteries, petrol fumes... Charging stations are definitely better off in a remote, desolate, windswept open area where the colossal explosions, toxic smoke, and predatory compensation lawyers won't annoy the punters enjoying a nice cup of tea with their fish and chips... ;-)
That was a horrible Dutch accent, Robert. But I can't blame you, as only the Dutch can butcher English the way they do :D Great to see companies are already stepping up to deliver charging stations throughout the nation. It's a great encouragement for EVs!
A good initiative. every petrol pump must have 2 fast chargers. if private fast chargers step in that would be good for infrastructure of electric cars. world shall decrease some of the emissions. if base charge speed is 50kwh..thats still alot,,,
So, does this mean, with all this app business, you can't just roll up to any point and pay and get power? You have to go to dedicated places that you have a contract with? Because at the moment, with petrol, you don't have to look out for a Texico or a Sainsburys, you may have a loyalty scheme, but you are not limited by.. But with all these app requirements, it is starting to dishearten me from wanting to get one. What if I have my wallet, but not my phone? What if there is no internet connection? Currently, its possible to go to a petrol station even without a wallet, fill up, and then fill out a form to pay them in a day or two. (I've had to do that a few times with Sainsburys) Would these charging points be able to do that?
It's an immature market. Remember when every bank had its own ATM network and you couldn't draw out money from a different bank's machine? We're at about that stage right now. Fastned aren't even profitable yet. The fastned chargers are wifi hotspots so there will always be an internet connection.. OTOH I think RFID cards are a better solution than apps.. it's just there's a move away from them for some reason.
I think I am too young for the bank machine analogy, sorry. LOL. Sounds stupid. Though it does make sense why they always have a ridiculous amount of stickers on them now though.
All the main banks and building societies have been on the Link system since mid 80's, you've been able to use almost any machine since then. If you used a cash machine from another bank, that bank would charge you a fee. Then around 2000ish a couple of banks got a bit greed and decided they would charge their own customers a fee on top of the other fee if they used another banks cash machine. Which as it turned out was a good thing, because they all got so much bad press that we ended up with the free to use system we have now...unless you use one of those weird machines. Sorry for the pointless ramblings...
Back in the day you could be stuck in town having to borrow money from a mate because there wasn't a bank of the right type there That's kinda where we are with charging, although in any given area there are usually only one or two providers, plus electric highway at the service stations. Of course 99℅ of the time you charge at home and start the day with a full 'tank' anyway.. I think I've had to use a public charger less than a dozen times...
I charge up at Pod-Point chargers. I use a app and without fail get a connection with 3 or 4g. If using 4g don't forget to turn your wifi off. But it for some reason your mobile is out of order, ring up your charger network and they will connect you if your a member. No problem at all.
Even as a (future) TESLA driver, I think this is a great addition to the Supercharger Network. I might visit our neighbouring country more often. Love it! :)
i feel like a lot of countries may get a little overwhelmed by the amount of electric cars that are going to sell in the next 5 years. It will just make so much sense to go electric when the affordable models like the model 3 and the the competitors launch
I've seen a number of complaints about RFID cards and mobile phone apps. why is there a need for any other item? Why can't the car be registered with its own account and have the charger and car exchange data when they connect together? That way you don't need to carry anything else to charge and you don't need phones and apps....
Yeah, I've thought about that too. Also, you could have a system that used the car's own screen for handling payment options or whatnot if you need it. That would come in handy for wireless charging, you just park over the charger and handle everything inside the car before stepping out.
That's exactly how superchargers work. Elon's stuff is just like someone spent 5 minutes thinking before they started building. Everyone else seems to just wander around in a daze building random shit and then cludging it together.
Well it only works in cases where the car is tied to a single driver, if it was ever borrowed or loaned (stolen even) you are billing the original driver for everything and then he needs to go around splitting the costs and shaking people down for money. It certainly sound like a good option in some cases, less good in others.
The Tesla Supercharger network will remain free for the model S and X owners. Model 3 owners will have to the option of paying for the use of their network in a prepaid package type deal. The network is really only intended to assist in state to state travel or going across country. They expect, as most will, that owners will charge at home. Still I am excited about this and other fast chargers coming hopefully to the USA as well.
$0.79 cents / KWh?!?!?! Jesus H Christ, that's expensive! In fact, that's more than 10X what most of us pay for residential electricity here in Quebec.
You can choose: 0.79c per kWh for no subscription, 0.35c for 12eur /month and 0.19c per kWh for 24eur /month or even 99/month for unlimited (No contract lock-ins) Tourists and new customers get the 1st month for free also!
And even at 0.79c/KWh, that about the same price as using petrol (as calculated above). You are paying for the service of someone having built you a nice set of chargers all along the motorway. If you use it regularly, you join the scheme. All seems fair enough to me.
Stefan - Yes, I heard the subscription rates... So, you pay no subscription but get truly hosed on the KWh rate. Or you pay a lower (but still not inexpensive) KWh rate, but also pay monthly... They get you either way. I mean, from a business perspective, if they get the clients, it might be really profitable, but from a consumer point of view, it isn't cheap. xxwookey - So, you're paying for the nice charging stations... like you pay for the million petrol stations all over the world? The thing about electric vehicles is that you pay more for them to begin with, so, really, they need to be less expensive to run to make them an interesting prospect for many drivers. Also, since charging your vehicle will (and likely always will...) take longer and need to be done more often than filling up with petrol, it's a downside to the electric choice. So, how do you make an EV attractive to the client? Keep running costs substantially lower. At up to $0.79 / KWh that isn't the case with this particular network. But, hey, it's up to the individual and, sadly, I won't likely ever be able to afford an EV.
Marc Cote Hello Marc, if you really do the calculations it will be alot cheaper per year with all included costs. For us it is 150-200 euro savings per MONTH, with a second hand renault zoe from 2014 which even also has a battery lease/rental system. A basic renault Zoe is available for under 10keuro, assuming you already have a car for trade in you can get it for less, it is a reasonable price and soon even cheaper or more attainable for the mass market. For example: A yearly (or 30k km) service is under 95euro. Classic items you replace at gasoline cars are not on the car and thus don't need replacements. So, the only downside is that we sometimes have to stop and charge for abit, and watch netflix or browse some emails, but since we don't drive 150km+ regularly, this isn't an issue and all the other advantages are bigger then the only downside =)
@@xxwookey At (say) 180Wh/km in warm weather 79 cents will get you 5.5km. In a well tuned gas car 5.5km @ 6L/100K is 330mL of fuel which at Canadian prices is about 40 cents in the summer. Gas is more expensive in Europe though so maybe they are comparable
I don't understand the people complaining about pricing. Fuel is priced on need/demand/production levels so why would electric not be the same? If the largest detractor to buying a fully electric vehicle is the fear of running empty and no charger nearby, surely having a fully independent charging network (a for profit network mind you) eases one's mind that energy will be there when you need it. Install 150 stations for Fastned, then open the doors to competition from Esso, Shell and other world gas suppliers to install proper chargers and pricing schemes will change. I think Tesla's success in charging was free charging for luxury models to ramp up the sales, but charge from a certain point onwards as a secondary income to car sales. Rest stops with bathrooms, change rooms for babies, food and refreshments to ease wait times was brilliant. Here in Canada, the almighty Tim Hortons (coffee/donut shops) could install charger networks and offer free coffees for 50% or more charging sessions and there would be lineups onto the street. It's not like their drive-throughs are not jammed all day and all night already with customers. Now imagine which company will be first to offer fast charge emergency "refilling" to stranded customers for premium $$$ ? I would put money down right now if our government owned cash-cow Casinos don't offer free charging with gambling packages.
Pricey electricity in the Netherlands... just checked the price on the Nordic electricity market, 2.1- 2.5c/kWh, I can see why Norway built a 700MW DC-cable to the Netherlands to sell hydro-electricity :-)
Watching this video, I can't help but be reminded of McDonald's restaurant - given the yellow supports. Perhaps the traditional roller skater carhop drive-in restaurant will make a comeback :)
have loved the tesla ever since the roadster was first announced. I wish I could afford one. More pressing priorities in middle class american life than dropping tons of money on a new car though. Even the base cheapest model 3 at 35k is too much especially considering the tax breaks are going to run out. Most of us are happy to get a solid reliable used car for 10k and ride it till the wheels fall off.
In 2008 the Prius started at $36,500, and now 8 years later it's everywhere and there's many used ones available for great value. So in the mid 2020s I bet us regular folks will be able to buy a Model 3 on the cheap.
At that price it would only ever be an emergency bump charge for me. Perhaps that's the business model. Get people in for a quick bump to get them to where ever they are going and process lots of cars. I personally would have examined the opposite business model. I would have looked at the shops first and designed a parking area around that where the vehicles would charge.. perhaps even stored tightly in automobile designed vertical power files. The charging would be free.. subsidized by the parking fee and or a fee the shops paid to attract shoppers to a convenient environment.
MichaelKingsfordGray , Actually I just started a production company. So my dance card is filled at the moment. I had discussed with a coworker, also a process engineer, a set up where a warehouse type structure would be modified with chargers and a detail shop. The level above would be shops. Such a thing could easily be attached to a mall and either have a power file type parking method to store the cars once they had been detailed and charged or in 4 years or so simply notify the owners to have their vehicles drive out and park themselves. Hard to say what the future will bring, but designing the execution to be flexible shouldn't be all that hard. I've seen some great designs for mobile carts that can ferry cars a short distance. What ever happens, it's going to be very interesting. Lots of opportunities.
I did find your blogger page, but the redirect to incivilityinstitute is leading to a page that isn't opening. Also, you aren't as unique as you might think. There is another Michael Kingsford Gray listed on a coding web page. He's in the US.. so I'm assuming that's not you. Google and Yahoo searches show your blog page but the contact link to you might be kaput. I'll try again later in case it's just the server that's down.
at 35 cents you are about par with gas, depending on your gas price. Very rough calculations... Electric car uses about 20 kWh/100km (actual about 17-25 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car) 20 kWh/100km @ 35c/kWh = $7.00/100km. 5 litre/100km @ $1.50/litre = $7.50/100km.
The Nissan Leaf used 0.19Kw/h per mile, so 100miles would cost €15 if you charged at these chargers. A similar sized Nissan Pulsar does 45mpg, petrol in the Netherlands cost about €1.57 per litre currently - €7.14 per gallon, so 100miles would cost €15.87. So it's basically the same price as the petrol would cost. Energy wise, the Leaf would use 19Kwh where as the Pulsar would use 95Kwh.
So this place charges (no pun intended) quite a premium for the convenience of electricity fast charging on the road compared to charging at home overnight. I wonder what their "unlimited" monthly plan would pan out to for an apartment dweller who puts 2K miles on their electric car every month?
2000 miles would require around 500kWh for a LEAF sized car up to about 600-700kWh for a Tesla. The unlimited plan is 99euro/mth, so each kWh would be around 20 cents for the LEAF owner (equivalent to 4 cents/mile compared to ~16 cents for petrol)
I think this is wonderfull, and using Kwh is a lot better than minutes (I believe in Norway there are some legal restrictions. but 79 Cents? I understand you can buy a subscription but that is almost 60 euro for fully charging a Tesla 85. The cost aspect then looses it's value I think.
In the UK the majority of the cost of petrol & diesel is in tax and VAT. If electric cars are not paying these taxes or road fund licence then as more and more electric cars are on the road the government will start to tax for road use. So why are Ecotricity and other companies basing their prices on the cost of petrol and diesel when the majority of this is government tax, and what happens when the government start putting a tax on electric vehicles for their use of roads?
Come to the U.S. I can charge for free and 100% renewable just a very short walk to the charger at the bus stop. Level 2 is ok but I'm trapped in this valley for a bit longer as there no charger but in the city. More planned in the area this Fall so I can get out with the Leaf. Friends would like to buy EV's but the chargers are the problem. But used Leaf's are very cheap after the lease is over on this corporate cars.
Although the design of the building is very pretty, the curved roof is not efficient for solar panels. They would be more efficient on a flat surface, inclined at the correct angle.
I get the feeling that this guy is in it for the money first and possibly a better planet second. "How can I get rich on the back of this emerging trend." That's just the vibe I got.
I've been waiting when someone figures it should be done like this. Financially it makes so big sense it's unbelievable (tax is huge portion of electrical cost!) Unfortunately, these guys are making it waaaayyy tooo expensive, even at 0,35€/kWh. If they don't get competition forcing to lower prices, they will slow down electric car adoption in their area, people see it is that expensive. Combining coffee shops etc. at the same place is also sensible. I also see many businesses having an opportunity here -> Provide free charging -> While waiting for charging they go shopping in their store and spend much more than the charging costs :) Even if it just coffee and bagel :)
No it shouldn't. There are two enemies of li-ion batteries. A prolonged very high state of charge (above 80-90%) and high temperature... especially when charging. Tesla has a liquid cooled pack for instance. Keep that at 70-80 % SOC normally for daily use and the batteries will be absolutely fine.
Yes it does. A higher rate of charge increases temperature and also abuses more the chemistry than a slower charge. This equals to shorter life span. Even water cooled batteries. The water only dissipates heat from the cell's exterior. Interior temperatures will always be higher the higher the charge rate is. And no, it doesn't matter if it "is designed" to take fast charging. Whatever that means xD
There improving the batteries very few years so get a car cheap and you will end up with a better battery in a few years. This air battery that I hear something about sounds like it will be quite nice if they get it on the production line.
Telmo Monteiro It doesn't matter that the temperature rises during DC fast (or Super) charging. What matters is, will the temperature be high enough for long enough to cause more damage than slow speed charging the battery at a low temperature. And that's where battery management and temperature management come in....as well as design. Your battery will degrade faster at 50 degrees C on a slow charger for hours, compared to charging for 15 minutes at 60. Now these values are fictional to explain my point. There are charts on these things and very interesting lectures on li-ion batteries on TH-cam. Check them out! :)
A lot of people seem to be concerned about the €.79 figure, but most people would only be paying that while traveling. The majority of PEV owners will be charging 95% of the time at home. Paying €.79 a couple times a year isn't going to bother anyone....
It's actually a lot better then this video explains right now because: You can choose a plan if you WANT: 0.79c per kWh for no subscription, 0.35c for 12eur /month and 0.19c per kWh for 24eur /month or even 99/month for unlimited (No contract lock-ins) Tourists and new customers get the 1st month for free also!
I have a small car and driving on a smooth concrete highway will give me 5.8L/100km while asphalt will be 7.0L/100km. In Ontario we are slowly converting to concrete roads.
0,35€/kw ? It's really not that cheap, the main reason to go to electric electricity shouldn't be more expensive than at my home :/ but they have to turn a profit
What about the service of getting a charge on the go, faster than at home? These things are not to replace home chargers, but to enable longer trips. For Tesla owners it may not in most cases compete with the supercharger network, but eventually most EV's will not be Teslas.
As they said they intend to make the charging faster and faster. That would enable you to drive long distances, with only short delays to recharge, before continuing your journey.
And cover costs. That canopy wasn't cheap, the concrete poured for the base wasn't cheap, the fast chargers themselves aren't cheap. It's entirely rational to charge a premium for an occasional rapid charge if you get 80-90% of your miles from dirt cheap home charging.
Tim Austin And if you don't charge mostly at home, all the more reason to buy a Tesla which offers a fixed rated for (or free) supercharging. Always high speed, many locations.
FullyCharged: please do a video on cost per mile to drive an EV, at various cents-per-kilowatt levels. You could get fancy and calculate price per mile with vehicle price factored in. Please please.
Now that would be funny if the big oil companies had charging stations are fuel stations! Oh to dream. So what DIY kits are out there to replace my fossil burner?
Nope, that was a iPhone 4 (or 4s) you can see the split in the side aerial. It's footage taken from the company's website. So there's no way to tell how old the video is. They have been in business since early 2012 so it could be from then. I did a bit more digging, nothing on the website is from before 2014 and that lines up with the first records of the site on the WaybackMachine. So I'm going to say he's being green and keeping the same phone for a few years :)
OK, fair enough, but 'Deeply offensive comment, haha' is the form that a lot of unpleasant activity takes (sexism, racism, bullying), and when someone complains the response is 'I was only joking, get a sense of humour'. It wasn't very funny. I accept that you didn't mean any harm, but think about the assumptions that made you think that might be 'funny'. Yeah, OK, this is youtube, standards are low, but still, I thought it was worth calling out.
Their website doesn't actually say what charging protocols they support. It's amazingly vague. All they say is 'AC'. Which AC? Rather than just saying which outlets are at their stations, they have a long list of cars. At the bottom of the list is a link 'My car is not listed here'. Great, that should have the info. No, that has an explanation of what a plug-in-hybrid car is.
Most PHEV's are not allowed at fastned! (They can't charge fast except for the mitsubishi outlander, any slow charging PHEV can come home on their gas/diesel) which infact, is explained when you click ''my car is not listed'' Basically they support all standards, AC43kw means (Alternating Current) which is mainly used by a renault Zoe. There is also DC (Direct Currrent) The reason you can't find sockets, is because you don't need your own cable! The cables are on the chargers.
Stefan Brand I didn't say I had a PHEV. I've got a pure electric. Its inlet is IEC 60320 C14. That's an AC standard. One of about 50 AC standards and very probably the most common one world wide. I've got adaptors to AS 3112 (10A and 15A adaptors), BS1363 13A, NEMA 15-5 and SAE J1772-2009. It's fun for Europeans to send up Americans because they think the USA is the whole world, but Europeans can be just as bad sometimes. IEC6219 Type 2 isn't even the standard over the whole of Europe let alone all the places that are connected to these chargers by road.
gasdive The 99.99% of europe charging poles has the '' IEC6219 Type 2'' a.k.a. ''Mennekes'' socket, if it is a charging pole which are always AC. However, those are not the ''fast chargers'' but mostly slower and you can find them at parking spots, most charge 11kw, some 22kw. However, fast charger include the Type 2 cable, a CCS 50kw combo cable and the ChaDeMo (DC50 kw) cable at for example fastned. TLDR; you are always good to go and don't need to bring your own cables when fast charging at fastened & the other fast chargers. What kind of electric car do you have?
you sir are by far the best car channel om youtube! Keep on making great video's!
just wanted to let you know, Mr FullyCharged that you have a fan who lives in Delft. Love you channel and was pleased to hear Delft getting mentioned on your channel :) .
I lived in the netherlands for 5 months and I never got to see this! Great stuff you guys!
Welcome to the Netherlands, where we live with fast chargers under sea level. 😳 that's a little bit strange!
+CRS1964 yes I now 😁👉⚡️
The ultimate 'hybrid' to me, would be a sail boat with a large battery deep in the keel. I was worried about that.
this is why the chagrer looks a bit like the crusty crab from spongebob :D
It's great to see charging stations like this. I hope to see more in the future.
@@zotter2542 I'm still waiting....I changed my mind.
Another really interesting video, love seeing that company's are rolling with the eco future
We've been leasing EVs for five years and don't ever pay for electricity. Our city, Palm Springs has about 24 free stations around town that are getting more used now. We just finished installing a 5 kw solar pv system with battery storage (9.8 kwh) on the house that can power the Level II charger mid day, or we get a special midnight EV rate and charge it then at 18 cents/kwh. Net metering usually offsets that charge, so 10 months of the year, electricity is free.
Great concept. We just bought a Kia Soul EV. We had it for a week today, and we love it.
Are you listening Ecotricity???? If you charge people (per kwh, fancy that!) then this is the level of service you expect! From what I understand the Fastned stations have their own wifi so app only access is not so much an issue!
Here in Montreal, we have a flat rate of $2.50 CAD (for level 2 charging), which is terrible for if you just want to charge for a short time. I like the idea of having different rate options, but 79 euro cents per kWh is kinda ridiculous, as it's probably as expensive as driving on gasoline.
I suppose it depends on the going rate for electricity in the Netherlands.
I probably wouldn't pay €0.79 unless it was a very fast charge but €0.45 I'd be very happy with. If they could roll out more chargers in France, Germany & England it could be a great business! 👍🏻 🔌 🚘
+Will Bradbury They are going to build stations in Germany. It is a project to create a 'corridor' from Denmark to Germany. :).
+NostalgicWalrus
Gasoline is about 33 kWh/gal and petroleum-based diesel is about 37 kWh/gal. so, if you take IC efficiency to be about 30%, figure on an equivalence factor of 10-12 kWh/gal. The 35 cents isn't bad, but yes, the 79 cent price is eating into the economic justification for EVs, even at European fuel prices. And don't forget the subscription cost to get the lower rate.
You pay for the service, not the electricity!
But, there isn't really a huge service, other than having a roof... At least it could have a toilet, or a "waiting room" or "free wifi" or something... I understand that it is expensive to build a station like this, but this wouldn't make me buy an electric car if I wasn't able to charge it at home...
+Cooper Pinter of course not. One should not have an electric car if you can't charge at home or at work or somewhere else you visit at least a couple of hours a day. With self driving cars where the car drives off and charges itself over night, catching at home won't be an issue.
There are toilets, waiting rooms and shops because every FastNed station is build next to a petrol station
Brilliant. Praying for a similar company in the UK!
It's another great idea from us dutch. Although driving electric I didn't use it yet, there is no Fastned on our routes and it is a bit expensive but great when you need it. In our small country we don't have 'range anxiety' anymore, we have the 'RANGE GAME''. In our Zoe the battery computer and the route calculator play a game. When i have to drive over a 120 k's with 60 k or more on a highway (max. speed 130 km/h) Maria (my Tomtom voice) always tells me I won't make and starts getting anxious. So I start with limited cruising speeds (100 km/h). Along the way the battery range goes down slower then the 'distance left' on my route calculator. Most of the time i can speed up until the speed limit the second half of my journey. In this way it has become a 'RANGE GAME' and i would like to call on Robert to use the frase 'RANGE GAME' in stead of the frightened sounding, and dull 'range anxiety'.
90 is the perfect speed for for a zoë. You'll get 300+km range with just 40kw battery.
Thank you for not adding the patron praise.
Ah nice, some info on new infrastructure is very welcome.
I have kinda been banging on about how important the infrastructure is to the development of the EV .... for a few years, I guess.
Ah well, even with this much change, I still think range extended EV's will be the most popular during the transition period.
But it's good to see such dedicated people. :)
It would be interesting to see how long it'll take until those 8 spaces for charges are filled up. Maybe a second visit might be in order then.
They say in the future that people in apartments won't be able to charge their cars at home. But I think it won't be long before apartment complexes, particularly in Norway where they're expecting rapid EV adoption, will begin to provide charging option. They may even put in their own solar and wind production in order to be a local power supply company and be able to charge for it.
I'm very excited about the prospect of faster charging capability. That is the key to me moving to an EV since I can't charge at home and don't wish to wait around for longish periods of time while it charges. 10 minutes was mentioned and that sounds almost plausible.
It's time 😊
Good point about apartment dwellers. I'd have bought an electric car this year, but there's no way to put in a charger at my apartment, and we don't have a network like this. I live in Los Angeles, and there certainly are chargers, but nothing as convenient and well-maintained as gas stations. The Tesla charging stations are probably great, but they need ten times more.
It's so nice that they aren't fleecing their customers
I was impressed with the number of EV taxis in Amsterdam. When I was there a few months ago, it looked like about 50% of the taxis were Tesla.
got a first drive of a Nissan leaf (newest model) and loved it, so very very quiet...
i hope in the next 4 years (when it's time to swap my car) then charging is quicker/easier or there is a street charging solution for me.
currently I cannot home charge and what chargers are available are out of my daily commute and usually busy, but I foresee that changing
In the Netherlands you get 4 years of free unlimited fastcharching by Fastned!
Not unlimited....
+Ad van der Meer fastned.nl/nl/blog/post/het-tijdperk-van-groene-en-goedkope-mobiliteit-is-aangebroken
Read the small print: www.nissan-cdn.net/content/dam/Nissan/nissan_europe/NL/pdf/Voorwaarden_e-Vier_pakket.pdf
Just asked if this offer is still valid as the conditions say the offer is good until June 30th...
A great video as usual. How is your Model S performing lately?
Do a follow up interview with fastned! That would be awesome now that they have the 350 chargers!
I feel like if they added a little coffee stand, they could generate enough money to not need to have a monthly membership. Or the membership could include coffee perks, something like that. Also, did Robert cover how fast it charged his Tesla? I might have missed that.
It was you who pointed out that the refineries use a lot of electricity. So the UK could offer free electricity for life for electric cars if they stop refining oil. And the cost will come from the tax. It will be like using the roads in the UK.
I can see this man spreading his chargers to the rest of the world...
It's fantastic!
We in the U.S.A already have supercharger stations along with other commercial and residential locations with minimal to supercharger or CHAdeMO chargers. The most popular site for sharing charging station info is Plugshare.
Joshua Cornell Wow that sounded condescending.
You do realise Europe and Asia also have Supercharger stations too...right?
Guess what...we also have cellphones and sliced bread!! I bet you didn't know that, did you?!
The point of these stations, is that they are a one-size fits all solution. You can put them along the highway without needing to own a Tesla to use them.
Why didn't you unflip that rubber flashing over your right shoulder?!? Once you pointed that out, I can never unsee it.
some chargers are actually under ground too, collect solar on surface of ground, drive under the the solar collectors and in a
into a coffee shop, Submarine sandwiches, Arby's for lunch, dinner and snacks while car charges and then you are on your way.
I like this charging company - rare statement from me considering I am a Tesla fun. Future planning from companies other than Tesla is a boost to EVs. And 5 times faster charging by 2020 - WOW - instead of 30 to 40 min charge now, it will be between 5 to 10 min charge to reach 100%. 5 min charge is the golden ticket - because that is only 2 min slower than filling up a fully loaded fuel tank for large cars - e.g. Vans, Hummer, Bentley, etc, which fill up in 3 mins.
You were in my country and i didn't know about it..damn...would have loved to see you and have a chat about electric cars :)
I love Robert and his show, why is majority of us not like him? World would be less polluted ,safer and way funnier place to live.
I'm still confused how these are different you the regular chargers at regular service stations but that's probably because my finger isn't very on the pulse with this arena.
Yeah, I used one of those stations when I went to the Tesla Tilburg factory in March.
Very simple to use
There is no fast charge sites in wales / Cardiff .. we need some down here !!!!!
Er... I think you'll find there are! 4, currently, according to zap-map.com...!
Brilliant ;0)
Great news for electric car users in Holland ;0) Thanks for posting.
I use FastNed a few times a week, for just short charges. 5 to 15 minutes.
The way it works is very convenient. I expect the pricings to drop a few cents/kWh. There is a taxreduction on electric power sold through charging stations on it's way.
Great video. Fully charged all the way. :)
Why people still think charging stations have to look like petrol stations? What are you supposed to do while you charge? Charging can be installed everywhere like at a restaurant so you can eat something while you wait. And restaurant owners or other businesses might provide charging for free to attract customers.
Hi, Tim! Maybe the designers have got to make allowances for hybrid cars and stupid people. Sure, hybrids don't need chargers - that's what the engine's for... But what about all those people who never read manuals? They'd not know that; and petrol and sparks have a l-o-n-g history of going boom.
Pure EVs are harmless enough (unless the batteries burst into flames, killing untold millions of innocent voters and devastating the land), but if hybrids have got petrol on board as well... Hmmm. Batteries, petrol fumes... Charging stations are definitely better off in a remote, desolate, windswept open area where the colossal explosions, toxic smoke, and predatory compensation lawyers won't annoy the punters enjoying a nice cup of tea with their fish and chips... ;-)
That was a horrible Dutch accent, Robert. But I can't blame you, as only the Dutch can butcher English the way they do :D Great to see companies are already stepping up to deliver charging stations throughout the nation. It's a great encouragement for EVs!
A good initiative. every petrol pump must have 2 fast chargers. if private fast chargers step in that would be good for infrastructure of electric cars. world shall decrease some of the emissions. if base charge speed is 50kwh..thats still alot,,,
Hi, Amir! I was just thinking that it may not be too safe to have all that petrol vapour and electricity so close together... BOOM! ;-)
So, does this mean, with all this app business, you can't just roll up to any point and pay and get power? You have to go to dedicated places that you have a contract with? Because at the moment, with petrol, you don't have to look out for a Texico or a Sainsburys, you may have a loyalty scheme, but you are not limited by.. But with all these app requirements, it is starting to dishearten me from wanting to get one. What if I have my wallet, but not my phone? What if there is no internet connection? Currently, its possible to go to a petrol station even without a wallet, fill up, and then fill out a form to pay them in a day or two. (I've had to do that a few times with Sainsburys) Would these charging points be able to do that?
It's an immature market. Remember when every bank had its own ATM network and you couldn't draw out money from a different bank's machine? We're at about that stage right now. Fastned aren't even profitable yet.
The fastned chargers are wifi hotspots so there will always be an internet connection.. OTOH I think RFID cards are a better solution than apps.. it's just there's a move away from them for some reason.
I think I am too young for the bank machine analogy, sorry. LOL. Sounds stupid. Though it does make sense why they always have a ridiculous amount of stickers on them now though.
All the main banks and building societies have been on the Link system since mid 80's, you've been able to use almost any machine since then.
If you used a cash machine from another bank, that bank would charge you a fee.
Then around 2000ish a couple of banks got a bit greed and decided they would charge their own customers a fee on top of the other fee if they used another banks cash machine.
Which as it turned out was a good thing, because they all got so much bad press that we ended up with the free to use system we have now...unless you use one of those weird machines.
Sorry for the pointless ramblings...
Well, that would explain why I don't remember it. If Link came out in mid '80s.. I was born in '84.. LOL
Back in the day you could be stuck in town having to borrow money from a mate because there wasn't a bank of the right type there
That's kinda where we are with charging, although in any given area there are usually only one or two providers, plus electric highway at the service stations.
Of course 99℅ of the time you charge at home and start the day with a full 'tank' anyway.. I think I've had to use a public charger less than a dozen times...
I've read the ebook "fastened the story" I recommend it to anyone.... It's in Dutch, not sure if there is an English translation ...
I charge up at Pod-Point chargers. I use a app and without fail get a connection with 3 or 4g. If using 4g don't forget to turn your wifi off. But it for some reason your mobile is out of order, ring up your charger network and they will connect you if your a member. No problem at all.
Here in Portugal they are very delay on this matter, however I hope someday exist this in
my country ?
We badly need this in the UK...
So how much to fill up a typical car? 79x?
Even as a (future) TESLA driver, I think this is a great addition to the Supercharger Network. I might visit our neighbouring country more often. Love it! :)
i feel like a lot of countries may get a little overwhelmed by the amount of electric cars that are going to sell in the next 5 years. It will just make so much sense to go electric when the affordable models like the model 3 and the the competitors launch
Within 5 years 80% of cars on the road are electric.
Anyone thinking it takes until 2035 or something will be in for a surprise.
There's bob again, showing off his black Model S 85.
Hey Robert, can you make a Video with or about the SION from Sono Motors? Would be great.
Greetings from Germany :)
That Tesla has such an elegant profile.
I've seen a number of complaints about RFID cards and mobile phone apps. why is there a need for any other item? Why can't the car be registered with its own account and have the charger and car exchange data when they connect together? That way you don't need to carry anything else to charge and you don't need phones and apps....
Yeah, I've thought about that too. Also, you could have a system that used the car's own screen for handling payment options or whatnot if you need it. That would come in handy for wireless charging, you just park over the charger and handle everything inside the car before stepping out.
That's exactly how superchargers work. Elon's stuff is just like someone spent 5 minutes thinking before they started building. Everyone else seems to just wander around in a daze building random shit and then cludging it together.
tesla chargers work like that. i believe it is becuase a default system of payment or connectivity is not really available so it is difficult
+Frothar surely it's not that hard though? if the car doesn't have an account, it doesn't start charging.
Well it only works in cases where the car is tied to a single driver, if it was ever borrowed or loaned (stolen even) you are billing the original driver for everything and then he needs to go around splitting the costs and shaking people down for money.
It certainly sound like a good option in some cases, less good in others.
I wonder what will happen to Teslas charge stations in the future - will they remain free?
Well they where actually never free. You pay for them in advance (in car price included)
The Tesla Supercharger network will remain free for the model S and X owners. Model 3 owners will have to the option of paying for the use of their network in a prepaid package type deal. The network is really only intended to assist in state to state travel or going across country. They expect, as most will, that owners will charge at home. Still I am excited about this and other fast chargers coming hopefully to the USA as well.
No they won't when Tesla Model 3 is released the charging won't be free anymore but still cheap
Nothing is for free in this world :)
well the air we breath hasn't been privatised. Yet !
$0.79 cents / KWh?!?!?! Jesus H Christ, that's expensive! In fact, that's more than 10X what most of us pay for residential electricity here in Quebec.
You can choose: 0.79c per kWh for no subscription, 0.35c for 12eur /month and 0.19c per kWh for 24eur /month or even 99/month for unlimited (No contract lock-ins)
Tourists and new customers get the 1st month for free also!
And even at 0.79c/KWh, that about the same price as using petrol (as calculated above). You are paying for the service of someone having built you a nice set of chargers all along the motorway. If you use it regularly, you join the scheme. All seems fair enough to me.
Stefan - Yes, I heard the subscription rates... So, you pay no subscription but get truly hosed on the KWh rate. Or you pay a lower (but still not inexpensive) KWh rate, but also pay monthly... They get you either way. I mean, from a business perspective, if they get the clients, it might be really profitable, but from a consumer point of view, it isn't cheap.
xxwookey - So, you're paying for the nice charging stations... like you pay for the million petrol stations all over the world?
The thing about electric vehicles is that you pay more for them to begin with, so, really, they need to be less expensive to run to make them an interesting prospect for many drivers. Also, since charging your vehicle will (and likely always will...) take longer and need to be done more often than filling up with petrol, it's a downside to the electric choice. So, how do you make an EV attractive to the client? Keep running costs substantially lower. At up to $0.79 / KWh that isn't the case with this particular network. But, hey, it's up to the individual and, sadly, I won't likely ever be able to afford an EV.
Marc Cote Hello Marc, if you really do the calculations it will be alot cheaper per year with all included costs. For us it is 150-200 euro savings per MONTH, with a second hand renault zoe from 2014 which even also has a battery lease/rental system. A basic renault Zoe is available for under 10keuro, assuming you already have a car for trade in you can get it for less, it is a reasonable price and soon even cheaper or more attainable for the mass market.
For example:
A yearly (or 30k km) service is under 95euro. Classic items you replace at gasoline cars are not on the car and thus don't need replacements.
So, the only downside is that we sometimes have to stop and charge for abit, and watch netflix or browse some emails, but since we don't drive 150km+ regularly, this isn't an issue and all the other advantages are bigger then the only downside =)
@@xxwookey At (say) 180Wh/km in warm weather 79 cents will get you 5.5km. In a well tuned gas car 5.5km @ 6L/100K is 330mL of fuel which at Canadian prices is about 40 cents in the summer. Gas is more expensive in Europe though so maybe they are comparable
Can the Tesla computer show chademo sites on the map?
I am pretty sure they do.
best places would be (imho) at shoppingmall's and very close to the entrances
people go in and will stay for at least 30min-2h
I don't understand the people complaining about pricing. Fuel is priced on need/demand/production levels so why would electric not be the same? If the largest detractor to buying a fully electric vehicle is the fear of running empty and no charger nearby, surely having a fully independent charging network (a for profit network mind you) eases one's mind that energy will be there when you need it. Install 150 stations for Fastned, then open the doors to competition from Esso, Shell and other world gas suppliers to install proper chargers and pricing schemes will change. I think Tesla's success in charging was free charging for luxury models to ramp up the sales, but charge from a certain point onwards as a secondary income to car sales. Rest stops with bathrooms, change rooms for babies, food and refreshments to ease wait times was brilliant. Here in Canada, the almighty Tim Hortons (coffee/donut shops) could install charger networks and offer free coffees for 50% or more charging sessions and there would be lineups onto the street. It's not like their drive-throughs are not jammed all day and all night already with customers. Now imagine which company will be first to offer fast charge emergency "refilling" to stranded customers for premium $$$ ? I would put money down right now if our government owned cash-cow Casinos don't offer free charging with gambling packages.
Pricey electricity in the Netherlands... just checked the price on the Nordic electricity market, 2.1- 2.5c/kWh, I can see why Norway built a 700MW DC-cable to the Netherlands to sell hydro-electricity :-)
Watching this video, I can't help but be reminded of McDonald's restaurant - given the yellow supports. Perhaps the traditional roller skater carhop drive-in restaurant will make a comeback :)
That was a smeggin good video. :)
have loved the tesla ever since the roadster was first announced. I wish I could afford one. More pressing priorities in middle class american life than dropping tons of money on a new car though. Even the base cheapest model 3 at 35k is too much especially considering the tax breaks are going to run out. Most of us are happy to get a solid reliable used car for 10k and ride it till the wheels fall off.
One day!
#ShouldveVotedForBernie
In 2008 the Prius started at $36,500, and now 8 years later it's everywhere and there's many used ones available for great value. So in the mid 2020s I bet us regular folks will be able to buy a Model 3 on the cheap.
Used Nissan Leafs are pretty cheap now
True, but I would think Leafs are only realistic as a second car for most people due to the range.
you know Coffee shop means something different in the netherlands right?
yes, you can use a coffeeshop and not care how fast it charges :D
You were in the Netherlands and you didn't tell me!?
So how fast it charge?
At that price it would only ever be an emergency bump charge for me. Perhaps that's the business model. Get people in for a quick bump to get them to where ever they are going and process lots of cars.
I personally would have examined the opposite business model. I would have looked at the shops first and designed a parking area around that where the vehicles would charge.. perhaps even stored tightly in automobile designed vertical power files. The charging would be free.. subsidized by the parking fee and or a fee the shops paid to attract shoppers to a convenient environment.
MichaelKingsfordGray , Actually I just started a production company. So my dance card is filled at the moment.
I had discussed with a coworker, also a process engineer, a set up where a warehouse type structure would be modified with chargers and a detail shop. The level above would be shops. Such a thing could easily be attached to a mall and either have a power file type parking method to store the cars once they had been detailed and charged or in 4 years or so simply notify the owners to have their vehicles drive out and park themselves.
Hard to say what the future will bring, but designing the execution to be flexible shouldn't be all that hard.
I've seen some great designs for mobile carts that can ferry cars a short distance.
What ever happens, it's going to be very interesting. Lots of opportunities.
I would love to. You on board?
Might be fun to be the "Idea" guy and have someone else do the leg work for a change.
Or do you have an excuse? (grin)
In trying to find you, it seems we have quite a bit in common actually.
Do you have a FB account? I can look you up that way and make contact.
I did find your blogger page, but the redirect to incivilityinstitute is leading to a page that isn't opening.
Also, you aren't as unique as you might think. There is another Michael Kingsford Gray listed on a coding web page. He's in the US.. so I'm assuming that's not you.
Google and Yahoo searches show your blog page but the contact link to you might be kaput. I'll try again later in case it's just the server that's down.
I've seen Teslas for years but your car is still super sexy!
How does 79 cents compare to gas? or even 35 cents?
at 35 cents you are about par with gas, depending on your gas price.
Very rough calculations...
Electric car uses about 20 kWh/100km (actual about 17-25 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car)
20 kWh/100km @ 35c/kWh = $7.00/100km.
5 litre/100km @ $1.50/litre = $7.50/100km.
The Nissan Leaf used 0.19Kw/h per mile, so 100miles would cost €15 if you charged at these chargers.
A similar sized Nissan Pulsar does 45mpg, petrol in the Netherlands cost about €1.57 per litre currently - €7.14 per gallon, so 100miles would cost €15.87.
So it's basically the same price as the petrol would cost.
Energy wise, the Leaf would use 19Kwh where as the Pulsar would use 95Kwh.
So this place charges (no pun intended) quite a premium for the convenience of electricity fast charging on the road compared to charging at home overnight. I wonder what their "unlimited" monthly plan would pan out to for an apartment dweller who puts 2K miles on their electric car every month?
2000 miles would require around 500kWh for a LEAF sized car up to about 600-700kWh for a Tesla.
The unlimited plan is 99euro/mth, so each kWh would be around 20 cents for the LEAF owner (equivalent to 4 cents/mile compared to ~16 cents for petrol)
So that's 240euro/mth in the pizza delivery guys pocket and cleaner air... not bad.:-/
It looks like you're taking up 2 spaces at the charger.
I checked in my corner(Montreal) how many charging stations there are... 3 in a 100km radius. Not that great.
now that video has some info!
its basically a gas station.. but electric, would u call it a electric station?
I think this is wonderfull, and using Kwh is a lot better than minutes (I believe in Norway there are some legal restrictions. but 79 Cents? I understand you can buy a subscription but that is almost 60 euro for fully charging a Tesla 85. The cost aspect then looses it's value I think.
Great feature. Yes, we don't just want to see electric vehicle. Infrastructure is good too.
You could do with Fastned expanding into France because their charging infrastructure is not the best.
In the UK the majority of the cost of petrol & diesel is in tax and VAT. If electric cars are not paying these taxes or road fund licence then as more and more electric cars are on the road the government will start to tax for road use. So why are Ecotricity and other companies basing their prices on the cost of petrol and diesel when the majority of this is government tax, and what happens when the government start putting a tax on electric vehicles for their use of roads?
35-79 cents/kwh?! that's expensive af :O why would you charge there? And even home charging 20 cents/kwh, do they think i'm made of money?
even if it is a similar price to petrol stations you will use it mostly on one off occasions when you dont have the range from home
20 eurocents/kWh is a lot cheaper than the equivalent in gasoline.
Come to the U.S. I can charge for free and 100% renewable just a very short walk to the charger at the bus stop. Level 2 is ok but I'm trapped in this valley for a bit longer as there no charger but in the city. More planned in the area this Fall so I can get out with the Leaf. Friends would like to buy EV's but the chargers are the problem. But used Leaf's are very cheap after the lease is over on this corporate cars.
In Norway I pay 5-6 euro for 20 min of CADEMO (~10kwh), while 1 kwh home costs 5 euro cents! :)
At Fastned you can charge for 0.19cents per kWh if you subscribe to 24eur /month (no lock in) it is a new plan.
Although the design of the building is very pretty, the curved roof is not efficient for solar panels. They would be more efficient on a flat surface, inclined at the correct angle.
Fastned must have been "inspired" by McDonalds when he came up with the design LOL!
Hmmm, Double Yellow Arches ?! I think McDonald's might have something to say about the design, once it becomes more popular ~
awesome!
add super caps for storage too
Nano-Flowcell is the electric car technology where you do not need to build new stations again.
points for netherlands ! 🙌🏼
I get the feeling that this guy is in it for the money first and possibly a better planet second. "How can I get rich on the back of this emerging trend." That's just the vibe I got.
You don't go into a business thinking about how much money you will be losing. You try to survive first. Money is more important - look at China.
So, a corperation?
I've been waiting when someone figures it should be done like this. Financially it makes so big sense it's unbelievable (tax is huge portion of electrical cost!)
Unfortunately, these guys are making it waaaayyy tooo expensive, even at 0,35€/kWh. If they don't get competition forcing to lower prices, they will slow down electric car adoption in their area, people see it is that expensive.
Combining coffee shops etc. at the same place is also sensible.
I also see many businesses having an opportunity here -> Provide free charging -> While waiting for charging they go shopping in their store and spend much more than the charging costs :) Even if it just coffee and bagel :)
Does fast charging affect battery life?
No, the batteries will only charge at the max speed they are designed to support.
No it shouldn't. There are two enemies of li-ion batteries. A prolonged very high state of charge (above 80-90%) and high temperature... especially when charging.
Tesla has a liquid cooled pack for instance. Keep that at 70-80 % SOC normally for daily use and the batteries will be absolutely fine.
Yes it does. A higher rate of charge increases temperature and also abuses more the chemistry than a slower charge. This equals to shorter life span. Even water cooled batteries. The water only dissipates heat from the cell's exterior. Interior temperatures will always be higher the higher the charge rate is.
And no, it doesn't matter if it "is designed" to take fast charging. Whatever that means xD
There improving the batteries very few years so get a car cheap and you will end up with a better battery in a few years. This air battery that I hear something about sounds like it will be quite nice if they get it on the production line.
Telmo Monteiro It doesn't matter that the temperature rises during DC fast (or Super) charging. What matters is, will the temperature be high enough for long enough to cause more damage than slow speed charging the battery at a low temperature. And that's where battery management and temperature management come in....as well as design.
Your battery will degrade faster at 50 degrees C on a slow charger for hours, compared to charging for 15 minutes at 60. Now these values are fictional to explain my point. There are charts on these things and very interesting lectures on li-ion batteries on TH-cam. Check them out! :)
A lot of people seem to be concerned about the €.79 figure, but most people would only be paying that while traveling. The majority of PEV owners will be charging 95% of the time at home.
Paying €.79 a couple times a year isn't going to bother anyone....
It's actually a lot better then this video explains right now because: You can choose a plan if you WANT: 0.79c per kWh for no subscription, 0.35c for 12eur /month and 0.19c per kWh for 24eur /month or even 99/month for unlimited (No contract lock-ins)
Tourists and new customers get the 1st month for free also!
"Ultrasmooth highways" YES luckily / we are blessed to have an awesome infrastructure :D.
I have a small car and driving on a smooth concrete highway will give me 5.8L/100km while asphalt will be 7.0L/100km. In Ontario we are slowly converting to concrete roads.
+99beta that difference is way too big. check your tyre pressures, they may be too low.
MichaelKingsfordGray True that is probably on of the reasons + we have a higher people density so more tax to spend per m2 :D.
Danny Bokma driving into Belgium feels bad
Who's Ned in FastNed?
Nederland
Have you run out of electric cars to test?
0,35€/kw ? It's really not that cheap, the main reason to go to electric
electricity shouldn't be more expensive than at my home :/
but they have to turn a profit
What about the service of getting a charge on the go, faster than at home? These things are not to replace home chargers, but to enable longer trips.
For Tesla owners it may not in most cases compete with the supercharger network, but eventually most EV's will not be Teslas.
As they said they intend to make the charging faster and faster.
That would enable you to drive long distances, with only short delays to recharge, before continuing your journey.
And cover costs. That canopy wasn't cheap, the concrete poured for the base wasn't cheap, the fast chargers themselves aren't cheap.
It's entirely rational to charge a premium for an occasional rapid charge if you get 80-90% of your miles from dirt cheap home charging.
Tim Austin And if you don't charge mostly at home, all the more reason to buy a Tesla which offers a fixed rated for (or free) supercharging. Always high speed, many locations.
Well it costs money to build and maintain those chargers. Also there are slower but cheaper destination chargers across the country.
Awesome
FullyCharged: please do a video on cost per mile to drive an EV, at various cents-per-kilowatt levels. You could get fancy and calculate price per mile with vehicle price factored in. Please please.
Now that would be funny if the big oil companies had charging stations are fuel stations! Oh to dream. So what DIY kits are out there to replace my fossil burner?
Was that an iPhone 3G?? I take it they have moved on from 2010 over there? haha
Nope, that was a iPhone 4 (or 4s) you can see the split in the side aerial.
It's footage taken from the company's website. So there's no way to tell how old the video is.
They have been in business since early 2012 so it could be from then.
I did a bit more digging, nothing on the website is from before 2014 and that lines up with the first records of the site on the WaybackMachine.
So I'm going to say he's being green and keeping the same phone for a few years :)
+xxwookey I was joking. Note the "haha" on the end. No offence meant.
OK, fair enough, but 'Deeply offensive comment, haha' is the form that a lot of unpleasant activity takes (sexism, racism, bullying), and when someone complains the response is 'I was only joking, get a sense of humour'.
It wasn't very funny. I accept that you didn't mean any harm, but think about the assumptions that made you think that might be 'funny'. Yeah, OK, this is youtube, standards are low, but still, I thought it was worth calling out.
Their website doesn't actually say what charging protocols they support. It's amazingly vague. All they say is 'AC'. Which AC? Rather than just saying which outlets are at their stations, they have a long list of cars. At the bottom of the list is a link 'My car is not listed here'. Great, that should have the info. No, that has an explanation of what a plug-in-hybrid car is.
ac is type 2 on rapids, standard in Europe, and you don't need to question that in the website
Most PHEV's are not allowed at fastned! (They can't charge fast except for the mitsubishi outlander, any slow charging PHEV can come home on their gas/diesel) which infact, is explained when you click ''my car is not listed''
Basically they support all standards, AC43kw means (Alternating Current) which is mainly used by a renault Zoe. There is also DC (Direct Currrent)
The reason you can't find sockets, is because you don't need your own cable! The cables are on the chargers.
Stefan Brand
I didn't say I had a PHEV. I've got a pure electric. Its inlet is IEC 60320 C14. That's an AC standard. One of about 50 AC standards and very probably the most common one world wide. I've got adaptors to AS 3112 (10A and 15A adaptors), BS1363 13A, NEMA 15-5 and SAE J1772-2009. It's fun for Europeans to send up Americans because they think the USA is the whole world, but Europeans can be just as bad sometimes. IEC6219 Type 2 isn't even the standard over the whole of Europe let alone all the places that are connected to these chargers by road.
gasdive The 99.99% of europe charging poles has the '' IEC6219 Type 2'' a.k.a. ''Mennekes'' socket, if it is a charging pole which are always AC.
However, those are not the ''fast chargers'' but mostly slower and you can find them at parking spots, most charge 11kw, some 22kw.
However, fast charger include the Type 2 cable, a CCS 50kw combo cable and the ChaDeMo (DC50 kw) cable at for example fastned.
TLDR; you are always good to go and don't need to bring your own cables when fast charging at fastened & the other fast chargers.
What kind of electric car do you have?
Stefan Brand
Zero DS with two Elcon 2.5 kW offboard chargers for a total of 6.3 kW charge. Charges at up to 120 km/h from AC
THE FUTURES BRIGHT THE FUTURES FULLY CHARGED
We are going to have the sweetest smelling traffic jams within a decade.
This is good. Us libtrabs need this to get more interest.
Very interesting :)