Lori claimed her soul left her body at the hospital, but I'm sitting here watching the judge's soul leave his body as she keeps talking. Bet he wishes that water were vodka.
It happens in birth sometimes. My mother watched me be born from the ceiling. Lack of oxygen to the brain. She was using gas for the contractions. She saw the whole thing though.
@@themudpit621 Friends and I have had similar experiences (not due to labor) and I think it’s a sign of dissociation. But in my hospital experience in particular I think it was bc I passed out (also due to oxygenation) but wanted to be mentally present. She just wanted so badly to see you!
He was probably writing all of the “unprofessional” things he wanted to say to her. She is legally entitled to make her statement so he has to let her speak but I’m sure he was telling her to stfu on that paper like the rest of us
@@themudpit621 if you mean gas as in nitrous, then yeah it was definitely from that lol. i think Duncan Trussell has a good bit about this this is why nitrous is on my list of drugs i will never touch though. being fucking ejected from your body sounds terrifying lmao
As someone who experiences psychosis and has friends who do also, this is not insanity this is pure narcissism. The way she can keep up this calm “poor me” voice the whole time while talking just shows how manipulative she is
this. and even psychosis has some amount of logic to it. I believe she's delusional but is also manipulative. TRUE insanity (actions without reason) is so incredibly rare, no matter how many criminals and murderers try to play at it
Yes! It’s a part of the “deny deny deny”. She’s going to hold this til the end because she has full faith in herself that she can turn this around at any moment
She may be delusional but she's sane because she knew killing them even as zombies, was against the law, and she hid it. Not right or wrong, but she knew it was unlawful. Sanity and Insanity are not medical terms, but legal terms. Even in the midst of her delusion, she knew she was breaking the law and took steps to conceal her actions. That is Sane.
If she really thought they are zombies but she has to kill them - let's assume it's true. Then she would just helplessly, with resignation, accept that there will be legal consequences from human system and she just has to take them because it's the better option then letting zombies live. She wouldn't make a statement, she wouldn't have fought, she would do her best to limit how much legal system spends on her. Either logic or no logic. She is not psychotic or delusional in the old sense, she is so narcissistic she became delusional and psychotic.
Completely true, a slight comparison would be the 2008(?) case in Canada where a schizophrenic man decapitated someone with a hatchet because he was off of his meds, not well, and thought he was going to die if he didn’t protect himself. That was insanity. He did nothing to hide his actions as he fully believed he was in the right. Lying and hiding your actions makes me believe there’s a deeper level of understanding that takes insanity out of the equation. I think she was motivated through mental illness though I do not believe she’s insane
As someone who grew up mormon, hearing her say "eternal purpose as a child of god," "they are busy in the next life," and "we lived as adult spirits before we came to the earth," are some of the exact talking points and ideas that are in the church. To hear them come from inside a courtroom as DEFENSE for the murder of two children is nauseating
I'm mormon and yeah, she made them sound absolutely nonsensical and delusional. Also, I'm a librarian who works in Utah; when these two 🤡 got arrested, we pulled his books.
@@TheSecondOne123 Yeah, Mormons believe that when you die, you don't go to Heaven or Hell, and no one does until the second coming of Jesus. So, they believe that we still have stuff to do after we die. Like, bruh, we gotta work just to exist now as it is, you're telling me we STILL gotta work after we bite it?
@alexfrandsen5922 seriously?? Who hears that and goes "yeah, I wanna continue having to work after I die" Nah, I'm gonna probably have to work until I keel over, death better be my time to rest
As an X Morman this triggers me. Everything she said sounds like I’m sitting at a testimony meeting. She straight up believes everything she’s said and that’s the scariest part. 💔
Oh my god, yes, ESPECIALLY the shit she said about her "death." Like I had an NDR myself and you know what I saw? Not ANYTHING like that. She was talking out her asshole, but she's so delusional that she genuinely believes what she's saying.
If you listen carefully, she only ever talks about how she feels OR how they felt with regards to her. It's a fascinating (and horrifying) study in narcissism
I hate to demonize any mental illnesses or judge someone based on a diagnosis before I know them, but the insane amount of murder cases that involve narcissism really freaks me out. The only other time I hear about narcissists besides that is when they're emotionally abusing those around them
@@SimBits edit: sorry this came off way more pretentious than I intended it. I'm just excited to share my newfound knowledge 😅 to be clear, there is a difference between narcissism and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Someone can be narcissistic - and therefore be called a narcissist - without actually having the disorder. For example, psychopaths and sociopaths are typically narcissists, negative narcissistic traits are a part of psychopathy. But, ASPD is characterized by a lack of empathy, whereas with NPD, empathy is present. Just a few really interesting facts I've learned as I've been researching the dark triad 😉
so so common with murderers, especially those who were fully aware of their actions and intent in the moment. trying to victimize themselves and divert attention from the lives they took.
I doubt unless they are completely manic and constantly displaying mental illness, that they are in full control and mind. People choose what they want to believe.
That's very true. Then when she speaks about her daughter's pain. There are plenty of people that live with pain daily and they want to live even though they're in pain. It's like she's making it okay that her daughter's dead now because she's not in pain anymore. I haven't followed the case at all. I didn't even know they had their trial. Does Chad daybell just let her do all the talkin? 19:48
I died when I was 7 months pregnant from a seizure (I'm epileptic) My daughter and I were revived, but neither of us have murdered anyone. That was over 17 years ago...
Lori’s statement was genuinely one of the most _bizarre_ & nonsensical statements I’ve _EVER_ heard. The fact that she refers to Tammy as “my friend” is so goddamn INFURIATING to me bc it feels like a crude attempt to degrade the victim even in death. I strongly believe she displays some psychopathic traits (shallow affect, complete lack of remorse, total refusal to accept responsibility, etc.), though I’m unsure if she fills the criteria to be classified as one. Regardless, may she decay in her prison cell for the rest of her life 🙏 Edit: Also, the story isn’t quite over yet! Lori still faces extradition to AZ on murder conspiracy charges, & Chad’s trial is set for April 2024! Either way, at least a _portion_ of justice has been served, but there’s still a long way to go.
I literally had to stop watching Lori talk dude she’s a NIGHTMARE. Also I think there’s one part where the judge mentions Tammy when he’s reading off charges and I thought he said Tylee- so sorry! To be clear, they’re talking about all 3 victims. Tylee, Tammy, and JJ
@@bozebutshorter no need to apologize! I had to rewatch it a 2nd time to make sure I heard it right lmao (it was painfully cringe). As I watched it though I kept yelling at my screen “GIRL SHUT UP LITERALLY CEO OF WHO ASKED OMG” On a more serious note, it’s incredibly disturbing how she detaches from the concept of being their _mother._ From my observations, she simply views them as _things,_ not her children. And I agree with what you said about how female prisoners will view her. They’re gonna RIP HER APART in there, & that my friend is an act of God 😤🙏
Oh I know!!! If ibwere Tammy I would haunt her!! If I were Tammy's daughter I'd prolly get sent to prison just so I could get my hands on Lori. Her little speech infuriated me!!!
@@PlAiNJaNe521 I feel so bad for Tammy's kids. To think they really believed their father that their mother just died in her sleep, and then to have their father marry I think it was 17 days after their mother's death and then all of a sudden the two step-siblings they have (that they didn't even know about until after Chad and Lori were getting accused of killing them) go missing and then are found dead on their dad's property. Thank god that they were all adults otherwise they may have met the same fate as Tylee and JJ
Oh yeah. My ex was in for a while and they would ask for ppls paper work if they were suspicious of eating being of pedo or harmed kids. They watch a lot of tv in there too so they’ll recognize her. A lot of women would be so mad at what she’s gone, given the chance, they would definitely do her like she did her kids. If I was already in for life, and had nothing else to lose🤷🏻♀️
@@Lauriashexactly. all the mothers in there who are in for life, they have nothing to lose, AND they’re making the world a better place by taking this bitch out. Hell, it’ll probably be cathartic.
@@LauriashDo they let the prisoners watch the news? Given how they literally make prisons so pedos don't get killed(and they're getting full which is horrifying) I imagine they wouldn't let the inmates watch the news when a famous inmate was coming in.
Why do so many people claim to have killed their children for Jesus? That claim alone is not crazy enough to plead insanity. They're basically just admitting they have no idea what Jesus is about.
This is why I don’t think Satan is that bad. He punishes people when they do horrible things. Honestly, when people say “the Devil made me do it” I think they’re just scapegoating him. This monster of a woman is in for a huge surprise when she doesn’t wake up in heaven. I wish I could see the look on her face. (That’s if afterlives do exist I mean, I’m not really religious but I want to believe there’s a better place and a bad place for people.)
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. I’m not very religious but I grew up catholic and even the most religious people at my church would be disturbed if someone did anything like that.
I know in this case isn’t wasn’t what happened but psychosis is real. A high number of psychosis cases result in religious and spiritual delusions. They truly think they’re speaking with God and he is telling them to kill their children to save them from something. I’ve seen people in psychosis and it’s truly terrifying. Lori was trying to use that as a defense but it was proven that she’s evil, not crazy.
Some people are just downright delusional. I showed my aunt (67 and very very *very* religious) Lori's statements and said Lori was crazy and my Aunt told me to look up the story of Abraham and how God told him to sacrifice his only child to him and in turn God made Abraham's line plentiful or something. Religion is nuts
I had an emergency c-section and almost lost my son. I can NOT fathom how parents can harm their children like this. The fear I felt when my son was born and not breathing at first was unlike any other fear I’ve felt before or since.
When ppl who claim to be Christian or believe in God use that as an excuse to do something so horrendous and sinful, it confuses the shit out of me. It's like saying " the reason I pulled all of my healthy teeth out with rusty pliers is because my dentist said to". Like what??
Some sects of religion are nothing more than glorified, legal cults. It's honestly disturbing how much insane shit is swept under the rug as _"religious freedom",_ like the IBLP and a few more like it.
I'm not confused, it's written multiple times in the Bible itself. Killing, raping, etc. in the name of God. If you're one of God's Chosen Ones you get rewarded, if not He bait and switches saying it's bad to murder because you were deemed Not Special Enough to him.
@@PACMANnotidc that book is made up use your brain and don't let no man use you and "make" you kill and rpe people for him because your his "chosen one" sounds beyond insane 💀💀
She's a narcissist. She said she wanted to stay in heaven when she died during her daughters birth. She said "I knew they would be okay without me because I felt at peace there" It doesn't get much more narcissistic that "knowing" that how you feel is also how everyone else feels.
I watched the whole trial by myself. But i tried to watch the sentencing and got so mad about her rant that I couldn't. When I saw this video I went "Boze will validate my rage"
In the jail phone call between her and her surviving son, he tries repeatedly to get her to say that she done all of this in Jesus’ name and she WOULD NOT. She absolutely would not say it so she KNOWS she did this out of greed and lust and will be going to straight to hell. I’ve never seen a person want to roll their eyes as much as the judge did.
How no one jumped her in that court room is beyond me. I'd be climbing over rows of people to physically tell her just what we all think of her if I was a family member of any of the victims. That's just disgustingly disrespectful.
I watched the docuseries on Netflix that has her oldest son talking about everything, I'm pretty sure (sorry if I'm wrong) that she straight up said she didn't regret killing her kids because her kids were already dead and she killed their "zombies" or "demons". Really messed up how she continued trying to justify it to him after he had to sit through trials explaining what she did to his baby siblings. My heart goes out to him and his family
Guess her ex husband, brother, and new hubby’s ex wife were all “zombies” too because him and her worked together to kill all of them too on top of killing the kids
What I don’t get, is, if she Really thinks that what she did was ok because her children had turned into zombies, then why did she and chad hide the bodies? If she was really mentally ill, she would also think everyone else would also feel it was ok for her to kill them. She is evil. She is a murderer in denial. If she ever really comes to terms with what she has done, she may actually go crazy.
Exactly. The case of the mother stabbing and decapitating her newborn and then placing the knife in her hand to somehow make it seem like the baby killed itself comes to mind. She was obviously in a complete mental break from postpartum psychosis. Lori planned with Chad to kill his wife, her husband, and her kids and tried to cover it up and run off on a honeymoon. She was 100% of sound mind when she cooked up the entire plan and it's painfully obvious.
there is no insanity plea in iowa, if they had done this in any state but iowa theres no doubt in my mind she would be institutionalized for the rest of her life
what? she knows murder is illegal, genius. So you need to hide the bodies so you don't get arrested. She's mentally ill enough to think killing her children was a positive thing, but not so mentally ill that she believes everyone would agree with her.
@@GameOver9991I don’t think that’s true at all. She would pass a mental evaluation. It’s very obvious that she does not truly believe her own delusions. They were an easier option to believe in.
That judge looks SO UNCOMFORTABLE. Like…like he’s questioning his entire outlook on life. Can you imagine how much this would mess him up if he is Christian himself which he very well might be! I’m personally not but WOW I can only imagine how Lori would make someone have a crisis of faith.
Excuse me , but how do you think that??? You think Christian are all just dumb idiots following whatever random shit they hear on their head or from a pulpit? Some may be, but there’s this thing called THE BIBLE that clearly explains a lot.
I think it's more of him trying to hold his tongue and not scream, "STFU!!" As a Christian, no crisis of faith here...I don't consider delusional ppl that start to twist and turn God's words to fit their narrative as Christians.
Sweet baby JESUS. I'm shook over her ACTUALLY QUOTING THE BIBLE to defend her murderous actions and that children are happy in the spirit world....therefore murdering kids are okay.
Christians do this all the time. The Bible over the years has been specifically translated to go with "Christian values". Some parts get completely ignored. Some parts are overly expressed. My favorite ignored parts are when it specifically says people shouldn't preach in the streets and the chapter on abortion. Along with Christians finding it acceptable for their kids to have access to this book with all the incest, murder, sex, and other deplorable things in it.
@@ashrielthewitch9934 I've always found it incredibly ironic how Christians in particular seem to hail the bible as something real that actually happened and an example to lead their lives by, but they also ignore the parts that inconvenience them or don't confirm their biases like they don't exist at all. It happens _so much_ within Christianity alone, at least here in America. Every Christian or pastor I've met did the exact same thing.
Considering that murdering children is actually in the Bible... religions have used the Bible to defend all kinds of terrible shit for literal centuries.
You and your Editor are a dynamic duo and y'all were on point for this entire video. Someone already pointed this out but I want to repeat it: it's funny how she uses so many scriptures in her speech but she conveniently forgot about the one that says YOU SHALL NOT MURDER. She also forgot about the scripture that says that children are a gift from God to be nurtured. This is only a glimpse of what her children had to deal with every day before she murdered them and it's utterly heartbreaking to think about. They had to be so confused and scared. She's definitely deluded but Lori Vallow knew exactly what she was doing when she committed her crimes. She feels that what she believes is absolutely right so she can do whatever she wants because the only judgement she cares about is divine judgement. In my opinion, she wasn't trying to justify her actions when she spoke. She was using her moment in the spotlight to preach in an effort to convert people to her line of thinking while also trying to get sympathy by mentioning the children she killed. It's twisted behavior. It's stomach churning behavior. I wish she had gotten the death penalty instead of life without parole.
Also the whole Abraham and Isaac passage where God is like "okay Abe you passed the test, I swear I won't tell anyone to kill their children for me ever again."
She killed her ex-husband too and I hate that people forget that. She had her kid cover for her. The debate isn't if she did it or not, it's if it was self defense..... also, prison is full of women who have killed or seriously hurt their own children. It's not the same as male prison blocks sadly.
As an exmormon, this is a classic mormon talk with the weirdness turned up, but if she wasn't sitting there for a murder trial, it's not uncommon to hear similar things like this at church. Not consistently I wanna emphasize. It's usually those who really want/need attention.
when i was in the psych ward there was a girl there who was in full on psychosis from a bad shrooms trip. this sounds exactly like how she spoke. she said angels came to her in her room and she was trapped in the facility because she has special abilities and they are trying to keep her from reaching jesus in the spirit world.
Bad shroom trip also doesn’t typically cause psychosis unless you’re predisposed to developing it later on in life anyway. Just a note to add. Still scary, but as an avid micro doser of mushrooms I think most of us are safe. Lol also I trip balls on occasion. Yeah but it’s totally important to look into your family healthy history maybe before you dabble in psychedelics. They can alter your brain for the good, or for the bad. I can agree with you though, I had a friend with schizophrenia who had similar psychosis. Talked about angels and spirits and demons a lot. Said they spoke to him and believed it when off his meds. I also know some heavy DMT users who talk like this. DMT is one of the strongest psychedelics if you want a lesson on them. Everyone I know that’s done DMT more than twice is a little delulu…😅
Oh and since it’s story timeee when I was in the psych ward, my roommate tried to kill her dad with a screw driver… lol but he also was abusing her so….I was on her side anyway. She was good people honestly
@@BakedBrain7100 yeah from what the nurses told me (i dont think they are supposed to share this info but whatever) it wasnt just a "bad trip" like what she took was altered or messed with in some way based on how they talked about it. really sad stuff.
She just showed how truly delusional she is. I don’t think that will ever change. She will continue to convince herself that she’s special and she didn’t t do anything wrong. Just like she has her entire life. She clearly was like this before she met Chad, but that whole connection just intensified it.
Yeah that’s the thing about people with a god complex 🙄 she’ll see jail as just further proof that she’s being persecuted, like Jesus before her 🙏🏻😒 I do kind of wonder what specifically is wrong with her mental health (diagnoses). There seems to be A LOT going on there 😬 none of it good.
I died while giving birth, too. I felt overwhelming peace that I cannot describe any other way. I could have stayed or wanted to go back, but i chose to live for my children. This woman is weak and doesn't deserve any good in life or death. If I believed in heaven and hell, i'd say she's going to hell after all this.
When you're dying your brain releases DMT to disconnect your brain from reality. This is commonly believed to be the reason people see the "afterlife" during near deaths or after resuscitations.
I believe there is a doc on Netflix about Lori's life. Her oldest surviving son is interviewed throughout most of it, and the story he tells about his mother's life/state of mind is horrific and tragic. I can't imagine how he must feel, knowing his innocent siblings were taken from him by the woman who brought him into the world. Worse still I can't imagine what he must feel with this verdict and I hope he can find peace and move forward to live a full life.
Thanks for covering this. It's the first time I've watched you, and I appreciate the sass and sarcasm you added. I've followed this case since the kids were just missing, and was dreading hearing the sentencing because I didn't want to hear her not talk at all about her kids. You made it bearable. Also it is a bunch of Mormon stuff. The adult spirits everywhere, suffering in life make you a happier heaven, ect.
I love how the grandparents walked out when she lost, and people were playing the kids' favorite songs for the grandparents; even the grandparents loved it. The grandparents wanted to celebrate and cry at the same time. It was sad.
The part where she talks about how Tylee's father, Joe Ryan SA'd her wasn't random. That was the lie she told family, friends and the court to get custody from Joe Ryan when Tylee she was a child. Lori Vallow maliciously told those lies to her ex-husbands family, friends and workplace. She literally got him fired, made him financially destitute, labeled him an abuser and kept him separated from his daughter. Bonus: She also tried to have Alex kill him, but he failed. Still terrified poor Ryan though. Lori is the worst human being
There's a huge chance it's something she convinced him of, and I say that bc Tylee would straight up tell the counselor: "my mom told me to tell you daddy was doing those things to me" she was around four I think. You can find videos about it on yt.
Yeah, according to Lori's living son there was abuse from her former husbands, but after this, I really have to wonder if it all wasn't some lie she told herself
Just a Note: Lori wasn't lying about Tylee being sick. Tylee did have chronic pancreatitis. I don't know what all happened and what symptoms that she had but I do know there were many mentions of it being debilitating and had her in and out of the hospital a lot as a kid and teen. That was one of the reasons that her being missing was so bad was because she didn't have her medication.
Chad gets way too much credit, in my opinion. From all the evidence and following this case for years when the kids first were reported missing, it is abundantly clear Lori is an entirely equal party in all of this. It seems as though they fed off each others delusions and created deeper and deeper lore to go with their cult in the making. She is a truly disturbed woman. And what gets me the most about this case, Tylee was off to college and almost away, JJ easily could have gone to his grandparents or perhaps even Colby had they known the other option, there was no reason at all she should feel she the need to fully remove these children from the world in order to go off and live her batshit crazy life with Chad, he could have easily left Tammy, their kids weren't toddlers and could have dealt with the reality of them divorcing. The whole thing is just so insane.
I have a strong feeling she's able to describe them specifically as HER children through this because in her twisted delusions she believed her children were zombies and they were already gone. that they weren't who they said they were. if we believe she believes that, then that's probably why. she's got something real off about her
I 1000% respect that you tapped out. You lasted longer than i would have if i hadnt had your commentary to dull the anger, lol. Narcisssism is one hell of a drug.
@@AJTheInvisibleGirl Well """dying""" and being brought back isn't really the same as being pronounced dead. It just means you had a brush with death but you obviously were able to come back from the brink.
I am not a heavily devout Christian but to see the Bible and Gods words just manipulated like that makes me sick. I am not one to usually say stuff like this and I always question my religion but I cannot stand her using those words in that way. Rest in peace to the victims and love to everyone affected by her actions ❤️
Well, the only important things i need to keep in mind is the 10 commandments, I don't usually go to church but when reading the bible, it shouldn't always be literal instead you need to be logical. Idk i guess christianity is taught different in other countries.
I am the child of a minister, and as such, I can say that Christianity is a smokescreen for some of the most vile people to hide their evil intentions. Those who truly believe in the kindness and love of the Christian faith’s tenets serve as shields for those of cruel and dishonest motivations. My experiences growing up in some of the most toxic congregations under a stereotypical narcissist pastor who commited every deadly sin on the daily has jaded me- not to the faith itself- but to the organization of manipulation and unaccountability it has become.
I won't lie, I'm so glad you tapped out when you did, as i was about to myself 🤮 what a gross person As someone whose parents nearly got sucked into this very cult, gotta say im pretty grateful it went in a different direction for me. I know id have been the first "zombie" RIP to the deceased
This is why I want to pursue clinical and criminal psychology. People like this are the reason truly "insane" individuals cannot plead insanity. It's exceedingly difficult to do so in the first place, but not impossible. Someone will always find the right person to bargain with and for the right price.
"" Let me just be clear" **does just that** " 10/10 set up and delivery I appreciate that unexpected silliness which made me blow air out of my nose and smile.
OMG I was trying to figure out the names of these people for months so I could check for follow-ups! Unfortunetly I couldn't remember names and the most unique keywords of the case - 'doomsday' 'zombies' 'cult' etc. - tended to skew the search results horribly. Thank you _so much_ for posting this!
10:52 THE JUDGE'S FACE AT HER TALKING. 'ohmygod this bitch is for real.' that's a reaction meme and a half. and frankly, my first time watching this? i had the same look.
I know her parents were sus of her and were probably the only reason that JJ and Tylee were found, but Summer bought into Lori's shit for so long. Hopefully Summer and Lori's living son Colby can get some help and support
Thank you to Boze and Boze's Editor for making listening to the court recording more bearable. I felt like slamming my head onto my desk so hard and giving myself more brain damage.
AS a Christian, murderers etc pulling out the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" bs will always make me roll my eyes. The quote is about unjust, cruel judgement of the innocent. GIRL YOU KILLED KIDS. GOD'S GONNA HAVE SOME WORDS WITH YOU, KILLING IS HIGHER THAN JUDGEMENT IN WHATS FORBIDDEN. I THINK HE'D BE FINE WITH YOU BEING IN A JAIL CELL. also that "things I promise Jesus before I was born" idk if thats a Mormon thing but it SOUNDS like reincarnation? Which feels very religious delusion to me because people in religious psychosis seem to smash various ones together...
It breaks my heart every time I see pictures of Tylee and JJ. JJ was so young, and Tylee was on the verge of moving into her adult life. Those sweet little faces. They deserved full, happy lives. And Tammy deserved to live the rest of her life happy and secure with her family and friends. Rot in jail, Lori, and I hope God spits on her when she passes. Edited to add: I gasped when she started out with, “Judge not lest ye be judged.” The woman in whose defense Jesus spoke never said she didn’t deserve to be judged.
I’ve been following this case 🎉🎉 so happy you’re covering her sentencing ❤ I was jumping for joy when I saw the news @ work and I looked crazy I’m sure 😅
I think Lori had chad just as much under her own spell. She just stepped into her fully fledged goddess complex when chad came along and encouraged it. They're both willfully delusional to avoid taking any accountability, even to themselves. The blasphemy was jaw dropping.
I feel like Lori had everyone under her own narcissistic spell and then her and Chad met and her narcissism and his weird ass stories were literally the building blocks of 'how to start a cult' and then they both just mutually went down the rabbit hole trying to get money, manipulate people, and do whatever suited their selfish needs, much like every cult leader
When I watched it live I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. How is she not mentally unwell? She should genuinely be in a secure unit somewhere. I know insanity is overused as a plea but this woman had so many positive reviews from friends and family before she lost her damn mind and did heinous things. She’s a vile monster don’t get me wrong, but she’s certainly off her rocker… that statement and her demeanour. It’s INSANITY.
Tbh she really didn’t- one of the ex-Mormon podcasts featured a cousin of hers who roomed with her in college. Long history of manipulation and mom enabling her. Documented history of her coaching daughter to lie to police, too, during divorce with one of her ex husbands. Cousin on podcast also explained the social pressure to never speak ill of family & friends publicly.. I’m thinking that’s why we hear these glowing reviews of her as a mom when the history tells a totally different story. 😐
@@whims6278 You think so? Maybe you’re right. I definitely think she can’t allow herself to truly think about the gravity of her actions and the fact that her children are dead and gone forever rather than the delusions she came up with about them being in a better place truly. But she needs to snap out of it and face the music.
shes not mentally stable but that doesnt mean she's insane. Insanity means Free of Reason--she had reasons even if they were delusional and horrible. Personally I think 3 separate life sentences for her is fitting
I can't see her cooperating with any mental health doctors even if any such help is available. She doesn't want to know the truth since that would mean acknowledging she murdered her own children.
13:38 sometimes i wonder if occasionally lawyers get a client and, after realizing that no degree of effort will stop their client from making the situation as bad as possible, just kind of take it as a paid vacation, yk? "hi judge, my client didn't do anything wrong because god said it was okay" "thats ur argument?" "*long sigh* yeah. they wouldn't agree to anything else." "Okay then"
As someone who is LDS, Utah is WEIRD. No wonder there are some people who think the church is a cult. To the people who were traumatized by it, my heart goes out to you, you don’t deserve that treatment. The good thing is that only 20% of the church is in the United States, and from my experiences traveling, everyone else is normal and very down to earth. The Utah LDS people need serious help lol
Im just gonna say it. Lori Vallow sounds like Helga Pataki's alcoholic, neglectful ma from Hey Arnold and i think that's kinda fitting considering how- out of it the real woman is cuz the fictional one is just as bizarre. I hope the worst for Vallow bc she has done vile things and will probably never let herself acknowledge it
Lori claimed her soul left her body at the hospital, but I'm sitting here watching the judge's soul leave his body as she keeps talking. Bet he wishes that water were vodka.
It happens in birth sometimes. My mother watched me be born from the ceiling. Lack of oxygen to the brain. She was using gas for the contractions. She saw the whole thing though.
@@themudpit621 Friends and I have had similar experiences (not due to labor) and I think it’s a sign of dissociation. But in my hospital experience in particular I think it was bc I passed out (also due to oxygenation) but wanted to be mentally present. She just wanted so badly to see you!
i agree but i really hate how your comment made me laugh!
He was probably writing all of the “unprofessional” things he wanted to say to her. She is legally entitled to make her statement so he has to let her speak but I’m sure he was telling her to stfu on that paper like the rest of us
@@themudpit621 if you mean gas as in nitrous, then yeah it was definitely from that lol. i think Duncan Trussell has a good bit about this
this is why nitrous is on my list of drugs i will never touch though. being fucking ejected from your body sounds terrifying lmao
The judge looked like he instantly regretted allowing her to speak
Yep!
Let her dig. It's her hole after all.
This is gonna play great at parole hearings.
@JoshSweetvale Let her dig her hole all the way to he double hockey sticks
As someone who experiences psychosis and has friends who do also, this is not insanity this is pure narcissism. The way she can keep up this calm “poor me” voice the whole time while talking just shows how manipulative she is
this. and even psychosis has some amount of logic to it. I believe she's delusional but is also manipulative. TRUE insanity (actions without reason) is so incredibly rare, no matter how many criminals and murderers try to play at it
If my children were killed , burned and Mutilated , as a parent i will not sit there and say “NOBODY WAS MURDERED “ unless it benefits me 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
as someone who has been around people experiencing psychosis I agree.. she knows exactly what shes doing
Exactly. She is no where near erratic enough to be in religious psychosis. I shuffle full so many emotions in a short period of time.
Yes! It’s a part of the “deny deny deny”. She’s going to hold this til the end because she has full faith in herself that she can turn this around at any moment
She may be delusional but she's sane because she knew killing them even as zombies, was against the law, and she hid it. Not right or wrong, but she knew it was unlawful. Sanity and Insanity are not medical terms, but legal terms. Even in the midst of her delusion, she knew she was breaking the law and took steps to conceal her actions. That is Sane.
If she really thought they are zombies but she has to kill them - let's assume it's true. Then she would just helplessly, with resignation, accept that there will be legal consequences from human system and she just has to take them because it's the better option then letting zombies live. She wouldn't make a statement, she wouldn't have fought, she would do her best to limit how much legal system spends on her. Either logic or no logic. She is not psychotic or delusional in the old sense, she is so narcissistic she became delusional and psychotic.
@@anna8328 astute consensus!
You make a great point
They also killed her ex husband, his ex wife, and her bother but they can only get them for the murder of the kids right now
Completely true, a slight comparison would be the 2008(?) case in Canada where a schizophrenic man decapitated someone with a hatchet because he was off of his meds, not well, and thought he was going to die if he didn’t protect himself. That was insanity. He did nothing to hide his actions as he fully believed he was in the right. Lying and hiding your actions makes me believe there’s a deeper level of understanding that takes insanity out of the equation. I think she was motivated through mental illness though I do not believe she’s insane
As someone who grew up mormon, hearing her say "eternal purpose as a child of god," "they are busy in the next life," and "we lived as adult spirits before we came to the earth," are some of the exact talking points and ideas that are in the church. To hear them come from inside a courtroom as DEFENSE for the murder of two children is nauseating
ah I was wondering about the ""they are busy in the next life" thing. Such a weird thing to say once, but multiple times? It sounded crazy to me.
I'm mormon and yeah, she made them sound absolutely nonsensical and delusional.
Also, I'm a librarian who works in Utah; when these two 🤡 got arrested, we pulled his books.
100%
@@TheSecondOne123 Yeah, Mormons believe that when you die, you don't go to Heaven or Hell, and no one does until the second coming of Jesus. So, they believe that we still have stuff to do after we die.
Like, bruh, we gotta work just to exist now as it is, you're telling me we STILL gotta work after we bite it?
@alexfrandsen5922 seriously?? Who hears that and goes "yeah, I wanna continue having to work after I die"
Nah, I'm gonna probably have to work until I keel over, death better be my time to rest
As an X Morman this triggers me. Everything she said sounds like I’m sitting at a testimony meeting. She straight up believes everything she’s said and that’s the scariest part. 💔
Wait, are you saying the "busy" thing has a basis in Mormanism?
Oh my god, yes, ESPECIALLY the shit she said about her "death." Like I had an NDR myself and you know what I saw? Not ANYTHING like that. She was talking out her asshole, but she's so delusional that she genuinely believes what she's saying.
@@rosesweetcharlotte YEP!
@@AlexLopez0506 Oh God, that is gross! And weird. I don't want to be busy in Heaven! I want to relax and chill!
@carlycrays2831 yeah, right!!??? It blows my mind how PRUDE they are, yet how SEX-OBSESSED and rapey they are!!
If you listen carefully, she only ever talks about how she feels OR how they felt with regards to her. It's a fascinating (and horrifying) study in narcissism
I hate to demonize any mental illnesses or judge someone based on a diagnosis before I know them, but the insane amount of murder cases that involve narcissism really freaks me out. The only other time I hear about narcissists besides that is when they're emotionally abusing those around them
@@SimBits edit: sorry this came off way more pretentious than I intended it. I'm just excited to share my newfound knowledge 😅
to be clear, there is a difference between narcissism and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Someone can be narcissistic - and therefore be called a narcissist - without actually having the disorder.
For example, psychopaths and sociopaths are typically narcissists, negative narcissistic traits are a part of psychopathy. But, ASPD is characterized by a lack of empathy, whereas with NPD, empathy is present.
Just a few really interesting facts I've learned as I've been researching the dark triad 😉
so so common with murderers, especially those who were fully aware of their actions and intent in the moment. trying to victimize themselves and divert attention from the lives they took.
I doubt unless they are completely manic and constantly displaying mental illness, that they are in full control and mind.
People choose what they want to believe.
That's very true. Then when she speaks about her daughter's pain. There are plenty of people that live with pain daily and they want to live even though they're in pain.
It's like she's making it okay that her daughter's dead now because she's not in pain anymore.
I haven't followed the case at all. I didn't even know they had their trial.
Does Chad daybell just let her do all the talkin? 19:48
I died when I was 7 months pregnant from a seizure (I'm epileptic) My daughter and I were revived, but neither of us have murdered anyone. That was over 17 years ago...
Yet….
@@crownedking_cj8890 now why would you say this
Lori: "I'd like to start by-"
Boze: "SHUT UP"
Boze was all of us in that moment
She was so smug when I was there for jury picking. She shook her head, smiled, whispered. She's a monster
the judge got more and more restless, the more she spoke... he was boiling inside you can tell!
my mans got sooo fucking sick 😂😂
He was burning a hole into his notes as he was writing hahaha
his expression as she was quoting Bible. I bet he wished he could add even more punishment.
Anyone who defends themself with “I did this for God” has no defense
Zero!
Lori’s statement was genuinely one of the most _bizarre_ & nonsensical statements I’ve _EVER_ heard. The fact that she refers to Tammy as “my friend” is so goddamn INFURIATING to me bc it feels like a crude attempt to degrade the victim even in death. I strongly believe she displays some psychopathic traits (shallow affect, complete lack of remorse, total refusal to accept responsibility, etc.), though I’m unsure if she fills the criteria to be classified as one. Regardless, may she decay in her prison cell for the rest of her life 🙏
Edit: Also, the story isn’t quite over yet! Lori still faces extradition to AZ on murder conspiracy charges, & Chad’s trial is set for April 2024! Either way, at least a _portion_ of justice has been served, but there’s still a long way to go.
I literally had to stop watching Lori talk dude she’s a NIGHTMARE. Also I think there’s one part where the judge mentions Tammy when he’s reading off charges and I thought he said Tylee- so sorry! To be clear, they’re talking about all 3 victims. Tylee, Tammy, and JJ
@@bozebutshorter no need to apologize! I had to rewatch it a 2nd time to make sure I heard it right lmao (it was painfully cringe). As I watched it though I kept yelling at my screen “GIRL SHUT UP LITERALLY CEO OF WHO ASKED OMG” On a more serious note, it’s incredibly disturbing how she detaches from the concept of being their _mother._ From my observations, she simply views them as _things,_ not her children. And I agree with what you said about how female prisoners will view her. They’re gonna RIP HER APART in there, & that my friend is an act of God 😤🙏
Oh I know!!! If ibwere Tammy I would haunt her!! If I were Tammy's daughter I'd prolly get sent to prison just so I could get my hands on Lori. Her little speech infuriated me!!!
@@PlAiNJaNe521 I feel so bad for Tammy's kids. To think they really believed their father that their mother just died in her sleep, and then to have their father marry I think it was 17 days after their mother's death and then all of a sudden the two step-siblings they have (that they didn't even know about until after Chad and Lori were getting accused of killing them) go missing and then are found dead on their dad's property. Thank god that they were all adults otherwise they may have met the same fate as Tylee and JJ
rest in peace JJ and Tylee
Inmates are known to take hurting children physically or emotionally very seriously to the point that they have been known to hurt people badly.
Oh yeah. My ex was in for a while and they would ask for ppls paper work if they were suspicious of eating being of pedo or harmed kids. They watch a lot of tv in there too so they’ll recognize her. A lot of women would be so mad at what she’s gone, given the chance, they would definitely do her like she did her kids. If I was already in for life, and had nothing else to lose🤷🏻♀️
@@Lauriashexactly. all the mothers in there who are in for life, they have nothing to lose, AND they’re making the world a better place by taking this bitch out. Hell, it’ll probably be cathartic.
@@LauriashDo they let the prisoners watch the news? Given how they literally make prisons so pedos don't get killed(and they're getting full which is horrifying) I imagine they wouldn't let the inmates watch the news when a famous inmate was coming in.
Most likely because they've been abused themselves as a child.
thats bc a lot of them are victims of those circumstances, or blatently just have morals, as backwards as it sounds, at least when it comes to life.
Why do so many people claim to have killed their children for Jesus? That claim alone is not crazy enough to plead insanity. They're basically just admitting they have no idea what Jesus is about.
This is why I don’t think Satan is that bad. He punishes people when they do horrible things. Honestly, when people say “the Devil made me do it” I think they’re just scapegoating him. This monster of a woman is in for a huge surprise when she doesn’t wake up in heaven. I wish I could see the look on her face. (That’s if afterlives do exist I mean, I’m not really religious but I want to believe there’s a better place and a bad place for people.)
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. I’m not very religious but I grew up catholic and even the most religious people at my church would be disturbed if someone did anything like that.
I know in this case isn’t wasn’t what happened but psychosis is real. A high number of psychosis cases result in religious and spiritual delusions. They truly think they’re speaking with God and he is telling them to kill their children to save them from something. I’ve seen people in psychosis and it’s truly terrifying. Lori was trying to use that as a defense but it was proven that she’s evil, not crazy.
Some people are just downright delusional. I showed my aunt (67 and very very *very* religious) Lori's statements and said Lori was crazy and my Aunt told me to look up the story of Abraham and how God told him to sacrifice his only child to him and in turn God made Abraham's line plentiful or something. Religion is nuts
@Hidakaku56 to be fair, in the story, God did send an Angel to stop Abraham before he actually dealt the fatal blow.
I had an emergency c-section and almost lost my son. I can NOT fathom how parents can harm their children like this. The fear I felt when my son was born and not breathing at first was unlike any other fear I’ve felt before or since.
Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire
When ppl who claim to be Christian or believe in God use that as an excuse to do something so horrendous and sinful, it confuses the shit out of me.
It's like saying " the reason I pulled all of my healthy teeth out with rusty pliers is because my dentist said to". Like what??
Some sects of religion are nothing more than glorified, legal cults. It's honestly disturbing how much insane shit is swept under the rug as _"religious freedom",_ like the IBLP and a few more like it.
I'm not confused, it's written multiple times in the Bible itself. Killing, raping, etc. in the name of God. If you're one of God's Chosen Ones you get rewarded, if not He bait and switches saying it's bad to murder because you were deemed Not Special Enough to him.
@@PACMANnotidc that book is made up use your brain and don't let no man use you and "make" you kill and rpe people for him because your his "chosen one" sounds beyond insane 💀💀
@@PACMANnot lmao, it's obvious you've never actually READ the Bible...that's the Quran you're talking about.
@@PACMANnotthat's not true at all lmao
She's a narcissist. She said she wanted to stay in heaven when she died during her daughters birth. She said "I knew they would be okay without me because I felt at peace there" It doesn't get much more narcissistic that "knowing" that how you feel is also how everyone else feels.
I watched the whole trial by myself. But i tried to watch the sentencing and got so mad about her rant that I couldn't. When I saw this video I went "Boze will validate my rage"
Indeed she did. However always remember, your feelings are always valid. It's what we do with our feelings that sometimes isn't.
In the jail phone call between her and her surviving son, he tries repeatedly to get her to say that she done all of this in Jesus’ name and she WOULD NOT. She absolutely would not say it so she KNOWS she did this out of greed and lust and will be going to straight to hell. I’ve never seen a person want to roll their eyes as much as the judge did.
14:38
Judge:
*writes*
"Dear Diary,
Help me to be patient and not roundhouse kick her. You've done so well since the last time you did. "
How no one jumped her in that court room is beyond me. I'd be climbing over rows of people to physically tell her just what we all think of her if I was a family member of any of the victims. That's just disgustingly disrespectful.
I watched the docuseries on Netflix that has her oldest son talking about everything, I'm pretty sure (sorry if I'm wrong) that she straight up said she didn't regret killing her kids because her kids were already dead and she killed their "zombies" or "demons". Really messed up how she continued trying to justify it to him after he had to sit through trials explaining what she did to his baby siblings. My heart goes out to him and his family
yeah that was her justification for a lot of the deaths that she was "allegedly" involved in. including her husband.
Guess her ex husband, brother, and new hubby’s ex wife were all “zombies” too because him and her worked together to kill all of them too on top of killing the kids
I *LOVE* that the judge chose to run each sentence consecutively
What I don’t get, is, if she Really thinks that what she did was ok because her children had turned into zombies, then why did she and chad hide the bodies? If she was really mentally ill, she would also think everyone else would also feel it was ok for her to kill them. She is evil. She is a murderer in denial. If she ever really comes to terms with what she has done, she may actually go crazy.
Exactly. The case of the mother stabbing and decapitating her newborn and then placing the knife in her hand to somehow make it seem like the baby killed itself comes to mind. She was obviously in a complete mental break from postpartum psychosis. Lori planned with Chad to kill his wife, her husband, and her kids and tried to cover it up and run off on a honeymoon. She was 100% of sound mind when she cooked up the entire plan and it's painfully obvious.
there is no insanity plea in iowa, if they had done this in any state but iowa theres no doubt in my mind she would be institutionalized for the rest of her life
Did you mean Idaho?
what? she knows murder is illegal, genius. So you need to hide the bodies so you don't get arrested. She's mentally ill enough to think killing her children was a positive thing, but not so mentally ill that she believes everyone would agree with her.
@@GameOver9991I don’t think that’s true at all. She would pass a mental evaluation. It’s very obvious that she does not truly believe her own delusions. They were an easier option to believe in.
the chat being in the judges cam is so funny it looks like the judge is streaming on twitch
That judge looks SO UNCOMFORTABLE. Like…like he’s questioning his entire outlook on life. Can you imagine how much this would mess him up if he is Christian himself which he very well might be! I’m personally not but WOW I can only imagine how Lori would make someone have a crisis of faith.
Excuse me , but how do you think that??? You think Christian are all just dumb idiots following whatever random shit they hear on their head or from a pulpit? Some may be, but there’s this thing called THE BIBLE that clearly explains a lot.
Probably because he has to listen to her say that she shouldn't be judged by quoting the Bible. When it is literally his job to judge people.
I think it's more of him trying to hold his tongue and not scream, "STFU!!" As a Christian, no crisis of faith here...I don't consider delusional ppl that start to twist and turn God's words to fit their narrative as Christians.
@@ronirios1783 honestly, respect 🫡 that’s a strong sense of faith right there
@@ashrielthewitch9934 lmao true! Him: “I’m…I’m literally a judge….”
The way she thinks she’s going to manipulate the judge into thinking she was just “putting her children out of their misery” WILD.
Sweet baby JESUS. I'm shook over her ACTUALLY QUOTING THE BIBLE to defend her murderous actions and that children are happy in the spirit world....therefore murdering kids are okay.
Welcome to religion. Is this your first time?
If my children were killed , burned and Mutilated , as a parent i will not sit there and say “NOBODY WAS MURDERED “ unless it benefits me 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Christians do this all the time. The Bible over the years has been specifically translated to go with "Christian values". Some parts get completely ignored. Some parts are overly expressed. My favorite ignored parts are when it specifically says people shouldn't preach in the streets and the chapter on abortion. Along with Christians finding it acceptable for their kids to have access to this book with all the incest, murder, sex, and other deplorable things in it.
@@ashrielthewitch9934 I've always found it incredibly ironic how Christians in particular seem to hail the bible as something real that actually happened and an example to lead their lives by, but they also ignore the parts that inconvenience them or don't confirm their biases like they don't exist at all. It happens _so much_ within Christianity alone, at least here in America. Every Christian or pastor I've met did the exact same thing.
Considering that murdering children is actually in the Bible... religions have used the Bible to defend all kinds of terrible shit for literal centuries.
another round of applause for the editor. you are absolutely killing it.
also love ya boze ❤
You and your Editor are a dynamic duo and y'all were on point for this entire video. Someone already pointed this out but I want to repeat it: it's funny how she uses so many scriptures in her speech but she conveniently forgot about the one that says YOU SHALL NOT MURDER. She also forgot about the scripture that says that children are a gift from God to be nurtured. This is only a glimpse of what her children had to deal with every day before she murdered them and it's utterly heartbreaking to think about. They had to be so confused and scared. She's definitely deluded but Lori Vallow knew exactly what she was doing when she committed her crimes. She feels that what she believes is absolutely right so she can do whatever she wants because the only judgement she cares about is divine judgement. In my opinion, she wasn't trying to justify her actions when she spoke. She was using her moment in the spotlight to preach in an effort to convert people to her line of thinking while also trying to get sympathy by mentioning the children she killed. It's twisted behavior. It's stomach churning behavior. I wish she had gotten the death penalty instead of life without parole.
Also the whole Abraham and Isaac passage where God is like "okay Abe you passed the test, I swear I won't tell anyone to kill their children for me ever again."
She killed her ex-husband too and I hate that people forget that. She had her kid cover for her. The debate isn't if she did it or not, it's if it was self defense..... also, prison is full of women who have killed or seriously hurt their own children. It's not the same as male prison blocks sadly.
She basically is admitting she murdered her daughter because of her pain and suffering...
shes trying to claim she mercy killed her even tho this is not 1830 anymore this woman makes me sick
As an exmormon, this is a classic mormon talk with the weirdness turned up, but if she wasn't sitting there for a murder trial, it's not uncommon to hear similar things like this at church. Not consistently I wanna emphasize. It's usually those who really want/need attention.
It's crazy how someone can speak so much, yet say absolutely nothing.
“My children are busy in the spiritual world ” 🙄 yah, they’re busy thinking of all the beatings they’ll inflict upon thy psycho mother
when i was in the psych ward there was a girl there who was in full on psychosis from a bad shrooms trip. this sounds exactly like how she spoke. she said angels came to her in her room and she was trapped in the facility because she has special abilities and they are trying to keep her from reaching jesus in the spirit world.
yes but most ppl on a bad trip don't then murder all their children...
@@lilmissemi i never said they did?? lmao
Bad shroom trip also doesn’t typically cause psychosis unless you’re predisposed to developing it later on in life anyway. Just a note to add. Still scary, but as an avid micro doser of mushrooms I think most of us are safe. Lol also I trip balls on occasion.
Yeah but it’s totally important to look into your family healthy history maybe before you dabble in psychedelics. They can alter your brain for the good, or for the bad.
I can agree with you though, I had a friend with schizophrenia who had similar psychosis. Talked about angels and spirits and demons a lot. Said they spoke to him and believed it when off his meds. I also know some heavy DMT users who talk like this. DMT is one of the strongest psychedelics if you want a lesson on them. Everyone I know that’s done DMT more than twice is a little delulu…😅
Oh and since it’s story timeee when I was in the psych ward, my roommate tried to kill her dad with a screw driver… lol but he also was abusing her so….I was on her side anyway. She was good people honestly
@@BakedBrain7100 yeah from what the nurses told me (i dont think they are supposed to share this info but whatever) it wasnt just a "bad trip" like what she took was altered or messed with in some way based on how they talked about it. really sad stuff.
_”It’s called drugs, Lori.”_
This line got me. 😂
She just showed how truly delusional she is. I don’t think that will ever change. She will continue to convince herself that she’s special and she didn’t t do anything wrong. Just like she has her entire life. She clearly was like this before she met Chad, but that whole connection just intensified it.
Match made in Hell 🔥
Yeah that’s the thing about people with a god complex 🙄 she’ll see jail as just further proof that she’s being persecuted, like Jesus before her 🙏🏻😒 I do kind of wonder what specifically is wrong with her mental health (diagnoses). There seems to be A LOT going on there 😬 none of it good.
I died while giving birth, too.
I felt overwhelming peace that I cannot describe any other way.
I could have stayed or wanted to go back, but i chose to live for my children.
This woman is weak and doesn't deserve any good in life or death.
If I believed in heaven and hell, i'd say she's going to hell after all this.
Death is a blanket put over us all.
I hope her blanket is course and sharp
When you're dying your brain releases DMT to disconnect your brain from reality. This is commonly believed to be the reason people see the "afterlife" during near deaths or after resuscitations.
I believe there is a doc on Netflix about Lori's life. Her oldest surviving son is interviewed throughout most of it, and the story he tells about his mother's life/state of mind is horrific and tragic. I can't imagine how he must feel, knowing his innocent siblings were taken from him by the woman who brought him into the world. Worse still I can't imagine what he must feel with this verdict and I hope he can find peace and move forward to live a full life.
I stayed up all night the night that dropped. 😂😂
It's ok. It left a lot out and got a few things wrong.
Thanks for covering this. It's the first time I've watched you, and I appreciate the sass and sarcasm you added. I've followed this case since the kids were just missing, and was dreading hearing the sentencing because I didn't want to hear her not talk at all about her kids. You made it bearable.
Also it is a bunch of Mormon stuff. The adult spirits everywhere, suffering in life make you a happier heaven, ect.
I love how the grandparents walked out when she lost, and people were playing the kids' favorite songs for the grandparents; even the grandparents loved it. The grandparents wanted to celebrate and cry at the same time. It was sad.
FYI: as a nurse and a mom the epidural ONLY BLOCKS THE SPINE. It can cause nausea but it is NOT mind altering at all.. she’s just CRAZY 😂
The part where she talks about how Tylee's father, Joe Ryan SA'd her wasn't random. That was the lie she told family, friends and the court to get custody from Joe Ryan when Tylee she was a child. Lori Vallow maliciously told those lies to her ex-husbands family, friends and workplace. She literally got him fired, made him financially destitute, labeled him an abuser and kept him separated from his daughter. Bonus: She also tried to have Alex kill him, but he failed. Still terrified poor Ryan though. Lori is the worst human being
I thought her son actually did say he was SA’d by his stepdad? Like in the Netflix doc
There's a huge chance it's something she convinced him of, and I say that bc Tylee would straight up tell the counselor: "my mom told me to tell you daddy was doing those things to me" she was around four I think. You can find videos about it on yt.
Yeah, according to Lori's living son there was abuse from her former husbands, but after this, I really have to wonder if it all wasn't some lie she told herself
I KNEW it. I KNEW that was a lie she was telling people when she divorced him, because she's that type of dumb.
Just a Note: Lori wasn't lying about Tylee being sick. Tylee did have chronic pancreatitis. I don't know what all happened and what symptoms that she had but I do know there were many mentions of it being debilitating and had her in and out of the hospital a lot as a kid and teen. That was one of the reasons that her being missing was so bad was because she didn't have her medication.
Chad gets way too much credit, in my opinion. From all the evidence and following this case for years when the kids first were reported missing, it is abundantly clear Lori is an entirely equal party in all of this. It seems as though they fed off each others delusions and created deeper and deeper lore to go with their cult in the making. She is a truly disturbed woman. And what gets me the most about this case, Tylee was off to college and almost away, JJ easily could have gone to his grandparents or perhaps even Colby had they known the other option, there was no reason at all she should feel she the need to fully remove these children from the world in order to go off and live her batshit crazy life with Chad, he could have easily left Tammy, their kids weren't toddlers and could have dealt with the reality of them divorcing. The whole thing is just so insane.
I get such a Justice 🍆 every time a judge says "Consecutive" at a sentencing hearing!
Boze’s editor is a REAL ONE! 🤣 I stay cacklin lol Give this comedy genius a raise already! ✊✊✊
rest in peace to those two beautiful kids this world dealt them a horrible mother 💔
The judge looks so lost when she starts talking 😭
I have a strong feeling she's able to describe them specifically as HER children through this because in her twisted delusions she believed her children were zombies and they were already gone. that they weren't who they said they were. if we believe she believes that, then that's probably why. she's got something real off about her
Speaking as someone who has a narcissistic mother, it's a narcissism thing. This lady is a HUGE narcissist.
All I could see was the judge's mouth being AGAPE throughout her entire delusional rant. (And I was right there with him doing the same damn thing!!)
I 1000% respect that you tapped out. You lasted longer than i would have if i hadnt had your commentary to dull the anger, lol.
Narcisssism is one hell of a drug.
Her sister said that whole pregancy story about lori dying never happened. Nothing close to that happened.. i mean no shit right
😭 she didn’t even die? She was js bullshitting
@@AJTheInvisibleGirl Well """dying""" and being brought back isn't really the same as being pronounced dead. It just means you had a brush with death but you obviously were able to come back from the brink.
😂 bruh... The editor note is the best way to sum all this insanity up. "God needs to file a restraining order against her."
I am not a heavily devout Christian but to see the Bible and Gods words just manipulated like that makes me sick. I am not one to usually say stuff like this and I always question my religion but I cannot stand her using those words in that way. Rest in peace to the victims and love to everyone affected by her actions ❤️
Well, the only important things i need to keep in mind is the 10 commandments, I don't usually go to church but when reading the bible, it shouldn't always be literal instead you need to be logical. Idk i guess christianity is taught different in other countries.
I am the child of a minister, and as such, I can say that Christianity is a smokescreen for some of the most vile people to hide their evil intentions. Those who truly believe in the kindness and love of the Christian faith’s tenets serve as shields for those of cruel and dishonest motivations. My experiences growing up in some of the most toxic congregations under a stereotypical narcissist pastor who commited every deadly sin on the daily has jaded me- not to the faith itself- but to the organization of manipulation and unaccountability it has become.
Your editor is doing an amazing job. Had me snorting so much my nose hurts. That could also be the drugs tho.
There is a suspicion that Lori did a Munchausens by Proxy to Tylee, but the kid's body was so torn up that they had no shot at diagnosing that.
Yo the editor always makes me laugh even in these horrible cases😂😂
This story is so wild and Im super thankful that at least *some* justice happened
I won't lie, I'm so glad you tapped out when you did, as i was about to myself 🤮 what a gross person
As someone whose parents nearly got sucked into this very cult, gotta say im pretty grateful it went in a different direction for me. I know id have been the first "zombie"
RIP to the deceased
This is why I want to pursue clinical and criminal psychology. People like this are the reason truly "insane" individuals cannot plead insanity. It's exceedingly difficult to do so in the first place, but not impossible. Someone will always find the right person to bargain with and for the right price.
If you really want to help, be a psychiatrist. Psychology is kinda lame (I did two years of it and switched out).
@themudpit621 thanks for the advice!
"its called drugs, lori." 🤣 the fact that people like this are real and not just on a screen terrifies me
"" Let me just be clear" **does just that** "
10/10 set up and delivery
I appreciate that unexpected silliness which made me blow air out of my nose and smile.
Boze’s editors jokes r REALLY good
OMG I was trying to figure out the names of these people for months so I could check for follow-ups! Unfortunetly I couldn't remember names and the most unique keywords of the case - 'doomsday' 'zombies' 'cult' etc. - tended to skew the search results horribly. Thank you _so much_ for posting this!
10:52 THE JUDGE'S FACE AT HER TALKING. 'ohmygod this bitch is for real.' that's a reaction meme and a half. and frankly, my first time watching this? i had the same look.
I'd laugh if the judges notes were just: "Absolute crackpot. Believes she's Chosen By God after a reaction to medical drugs."
I respect that you tapped out of that utter bs, her family must be so angry having to listen to her rubbish, I mean really?
I know her parents were sus of her and were probably the only reason that JJ and Tylee were found, but Summer bought into Lori's shit for so long. Hopefully Summer and Lori's living son Colby can get some help and support
I had a c section and it was like 2 hours flat.. I was like dang they have this down to perfection.
The judge looks absolutely flabbergasted (like the rest of us)
Just wanna say: The editing is amazing in this one, just perfect with the memes and how they were put in. I love it~
Thank you to Boze and Boze's Editor for making listening to the court recording more bearable. I felt like slamming my head onto my desk so hard and giving myself more brain damage.
8:39 "SOMEONE SAID THEY BOTH REFERRED TO CHAD'S DONG AS 'THE STORM'" OMG??
AS a Christian, murderers etc pulling out the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" bs will always make me roll my eyes. The quote is about unjust, cruel judgement of the innocent. GIRL YOU KILLED KIDS. GOD'S GONNA HAVE SOME WORDS WITH YOU, KILLING IS HIGHER THAN JUDGEMENT IN WHATS FORBIDDEN. I THINK HE'D BE FINE WITH YOU BEING IN A JAIL CELL.
also that "things I promise Jesus before I was born" idk if thats a Mormon thing but it SOUNDS like reincarnation? Which feels very religious delusion to me because people in religious psychosis seem to smash various ones together...
It breaks my heart every time I see pictures of Tylee and JJ. JJ was so young, and Tylee was on the verge of moving into her adult life. Those sweet little faces. They deserved full, happy lives. And Tammy deserved to live the rest of her life happy and secure with her family and friends. Rot in jail, Lori, and I hope God spits on her when she passes.
Edited to add: I gasped when she started out with, “Judge not lest ye be judged.” The woman in whose defense Jesus spoke never said she didn’t deserve to be judged.
I already know she’s gonna get beat up in prison
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Fingers crossed! Lol
Agreed. Somebody needs to "humble" her
whoever keeps putting in the caddicarus clips, i see you and i love you ❤
I’ve been following this case 🎉🎉 so happy you’re covering her sentencing ❤ I was jumping for joy when I saw the news @ work and I looked crazy I’m sure 😅
Yo that Wii Pause screen at the end perfectly summed up everything I felt in one simple sound XD Just the RAW "Hol up" in that.
anddd she is back! Welcome back queen 👑
still working on main channel revamp, slowly comin back!
@@bozebutshorter woohoo!
@bozebutshorter yay! :)
The editing of these videos is gold!
There is no reason I should be laughing this loud at 4am to a murder case!!
12:00 Man I can feel the Judges anger and frustration through the screen.
This woman is… I’ve never wanted to get my actual teeth on a person and rip them to ribbons so much.
I think Lori had chad just as much under her own spell. She just stepped into her fully fledged goddess complex when chad came along and encouraged it. They're both willfully delusional to avoid taking any accountability, even to themselves. The blasphemy was jaw dropping.
PS glad to have boze back!!!
I feel like Lori had everyone under her own narcissistic spell and then her and Chad met and her narcissism and his weird ass stories were literally the building blocks of 'how to start a cult' and then they both just mutually went down the rabbit hole trying to get money, manipulate people, and do whatever suited their selfish needs, much like every cult leader
Yeah Lori was the mastermind.
Girl you’re not getting high off an epidural, you just feel paralyzed
When I watched it live I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. How is she not mentally unwell? She should genuinely be in a secure unit somewhere. I know insanity is overused as a plea but this woman had so many positive reviews from friends and family before she lost her damn mind and did heinous things. She’s a vile monster don’t get me wrong, but she’s certainly off her rocker… that statement and her demeanour. It’s INSANITY.
Tbh she really didn’t- one of the ex-Mormon podcasts featured a cousin of hers who roomed with her in college. Long history of manipulation and mom enabling her. Documented history of her coaching daughter to lie to police, too, during divorce with one of her ex husbands. Cousin on podcast also explained the social pressure to never speak ill of family & friends publicly.. I’m thinking that’s why we hear these glowing reviews of her as a mom when the history tells a totally different story. 😐
I think she chooses her delusion rather than it being something she's afflicted with. Gives her a shield against accountability and guilt
@@whims6278 You think so? Maybe you’re right. I definitely think she can’t allow herself to truly think about the gravity of her actions and the fact that her children are dead and gone forever rather than the delusions she came up with about them being in a better place truly. But she needs to snap out of it and face the music.
@@laurenkellyartist Oof, I didn’t know this. She’s truly just a monster in extreme denial then. Horrific.
shes not mentally stable but that doesnt mean she's insane. Insanity means Free of Reason--she had reasons even if they were delusional and horrible. Personally I think 3 separate life sentences for her is fitting
Shout out to your editor! "St.Peter better change the locks" LOL
I can't see her cooperating with any mental health doctors even if any such help is available. She doesn't want to know the truth since that would mean acknowledging she murdered her own children.
The Jezus edit toooook meeee💀 I swear the editing is always top notch
13:38 sometimes i wonder if occasionally lawyers get a client and, after realizing that no degree of effort will stop their client from making the situation as bad as possible, just kind of take it as a paid vacation, yk? "hi judge, my client didn't do anything wrong because god said it was okay"
"thats ur argument?"
"*long sigh* yeah. they wouldn't agree to anything else."
"Okay then"
ALWAYS A GREAT DAY WHEN BOZE POPS UP 👹👹👹🔥
I just saw the video pop up and now my day instantly turned better
As someone who is LDS, Utah is WEIRD. No wonder there are some people who think the church is a cult. To the people who were traumatized by it, my heart goes out to you, you don’t deserve that treatment. The good thing is that only 20% of the church is in the United States, and from my experiences traveling, everyone else is normal and very down to earth. The Utah LDS people need serious help lol
"it's called drugs, Lori" I said the same damn thing lol
As someone who was in the stream on twitch, Boze your editor is amazing
Im just gonna say it. Lori Vallow sounds like Helga Pataki's alcoholic, neglectful ma from Hey Arnold and i think that's kinda fitting considering how- out of it the real woman is cuz the fictional one is just as bizarre. I hope the worst for Vallow bc she has done vile things and will probably never let herself acknowledge it
And this is how I find out she's been sentenced. I despise this woman.
felt like i was losing brain cells listening to lori talk ngl
"eternal damnnation ain't enough, god needs to file a restraining order against her" that took me out lmaoo I love the editor
Boze is the personality I need to discuss true crime and justice. Everyone else is boring.