I'll bet that because of the long time not running or being turned over that the oil wiper ring (bottom ring) is stuck and while the top ring would provide compression, the bottom ring wouldn't do its' job and keep oil out of the intake cycle. Because of theis, I think that you will need to pull the cyl and replace the ring set on all of the pistons. I think that the pistons are savable but the rings need to be replaced.
Kinda always liked the Aztek better myself, but I get why you chose the 310. I gotta say it looked so solid in that hanger Im surprised it turned out to be such a turd! Keep polishing and looking forward to how you plan to save it!
I was actually a little surprised you started with the 310. The Aztec seemed closer to being airworthy (still might be - lol) and has way more useful load capacity. You could fit the wbole family and throw Grisly in the cargo hold and be off. Plus, I have to believe you can get more for a flying airplane than a disassembled one. Oh well. But we're committed to saving the 310 now so... Love the videos. Keep doin the Lord's work. Oh, and... Stop buying broken airplanes for a while, eh?
Not committed to anything. Throwing good money at bad just to keep viewers happy it foolhardy. Any viewer who thinks the 310 should still be saved isn’t paying attention. Sometimes you just have to call the ball.
The other one is not known for being exactly safe, especially with one engine gone. The old saying was if you have an engine out, the other one will take you all the way to the crash site
@@iflyrcmikeRegarding single engine operation, I would rather be in a PA-23 Aztec (with 250hp IO-540s) than in a PA-23 Apache (with IO-320s or 360s). Considering general performance, Aztecs are better than Senecas as well, IMO.
just like a diesel, excessive oil in the intake can be bad turbo seals(if the 310 is turbocharged). Thats your problem as it's in the intake and on every plug. Not a ring issue.
Also, could put compression tester attached to air compressor and blow air into the chamber set on top dead center (ie both valves closed). Listen to see where air is escaping (if not escaping at all you've got great compression). If coming out intake manifold ie carburetor, then bad intake valve. If coming out exhaust, then bad exhaust valve. If coming out in oil pan, then bad rings (or hole in piston🤣). If good compression, start and run. If blowing oil out exhaust, then oil rings shot. Pull jugs and look at rings. Just use your hot rod knowledge of engines to diagnose. If u don't have that knowledge, ask a hot rodder or real good auto mechanic to diagnose the problem. Then you can take appropriate steps with AP. But it's just an engine. Not made of glass. Tear apart what u need to to see what's wrong b4 you spend a ton of money and time u don't have on an A&P to diagnose. If u tear apart and u diagnose problem and can be fixed economically, take parts to AP and let him put back together with his stamp. Save the money for diagnosing and tear down by doing it yourself. That's half the alure of your channel. Figuring how to get people into aviation affordably (that's an oxymoron-- affordable aviation🤣).
Also, just happened to think one other possible way for oil to get into combustion chamber if an airplane engine has valve guides (I assume they do) and oil in the area above valves (on a car would be under your valve covers). If your valves guides get worn, oil will run down the worn space between valve stem and valve guide. On a car it will cause them to really smoke when first start them up cuz burning all oil that ran down into combustion chamber over nite. Soon as oil is burned will stop smoking. But if valve guides really worn, engine will use quite a bit of oil and will have all the usual symptoms of oil burning engine--fouled plugs, oily plugs, etc.
As this mornings video opens, we see Grizzly struggling to find his feet in the swirling miasma of distorted time and space that suddenly makes you aware that you are entering JIMMY’s WORLD! This is a universe best enjoyed with a Hersey bar and a Mountain Dew. Can I get a clear…..!
You made it Jim...Juan Browne had mentioned you and your save the 310.... you are now considered a " influencer".. good morning sir...love your content.
@@therealjimmysworld I swear I saw a twinkle in Juans eye when he mentioned your name on his "310" vid... He's cast the line with the appropriate bait. 😊
That's exactly what I was thinking. Oil passing the rings and then making it's way past the intake valve would be a much greater issue. The oil is coming from some upstream source. Not sure about aircraft engines but do they have a crankcase ventilation valve?
With all that oil on them plugs and in those cylinders if grizzly ever decided to be an Oklahoma rough neck and start drilling from oil he’s got dripping he’s got a Headstart because that man definitely struck black gold Texas tea and didn’t come up from the ground like bubbling crude it was just from a set of continentals that were being rude. Now everybody knows the continental‘s have bad valves so get rid of those drippy engines and let Lycoming do the spinning😂
Ok so this plane is a TOTAL loss...how about changing the slogan to "save A 310" and just work only on the other one....just trying to give you some flex while remaining (almost) intellectually honest :)
The oil was clear when you found it originally now it's black...... Kind of indicates exhaust in the crankcase.... Not just valves ..... the oil in the intake indicates bad intake valves not sealing...
Time to sell this plane as it is! There's no longer any point in pushing forward. Also, it doesn't even makes good and fun videos anymore only stupid ones. Sell it, lick the wounds and of to new exciting projects. I would like a video in peace and quiet about that Mig-plane, the coolest plane you ever have filmed. It would be informatived for you as the owner now to talk us thru everything there is to know. Greetings from Sweden!
Jimmy, I worry that you are willing to risk your life with an aircraft that presents so many warnings of danger. Please step back and reevaluate your priority.
This! There will always be endless "gotcha" components. One will be major. Many will not be known. I wouldn't fly that aircraft for 5 years/500 hours after it has been signed off.
That much leaking is just weird loosing 3 quarts in one hour. Maybe Jimmy added to much oil? I bet whatever is causing it, will be something stupid. Did you do a leak down test?
Get rid of the 310 it's going to drain you till your absolutely broke. You should have been putting the one your going to sell back together and you wouldn't be putting good money into a bad thing
Do a comparison test i am thinking someone put oil in the cycenders to protect them its not good but i think if its in all the cycenders that's the only way it could be there. Clean it up and do a comparison test.
@@johnnunn8688 this is a gess but I have never seen a engine with all the cycenders bad much less all of them on the same aircraft. It's just not normal. Your talking 12 cycenders on 2 deferant engines its just not right its is possible but no probable. I would clean it up and do a comparison test before I pulled it apart. Just to possible save time and money.
Thanks for another great video Jimmy. It was interesting and enjoyable. First of all I am a bit confused on what airplane is which. The train of thought has been save the 310. Now you are talking about another airplane that could replace it. Too many airplanes in your group of flying machines. Not trying to say ya or na, but from what I saw today, believe the cost overruns on the 310 makes it a not so good deal. Might be time to say goodbye to the 310??? The twin engine you have been flying, why not use it????? Seems to be running great??? Just saying looking at the money end of things. Sometimes we have to backup and regroup liking it or not. Thanks to Silas for excellent filming and checking the airplane over before flight. Nice work young man. Well Jimmy not trying to push things to you from my perspective but money is money and you should re-evaluate your position with your inventory of airplanes. Will be quiet now and get out of your way. You take care and be safe. Looking forward to the next video. Thanks for everything. You take care of yourself. Retired Air Force veteran.
Two months.... Ah yes, welcome to the world of GA maintenance in 2022. My engine decided to get into the glitter manufacturing business so it's been sent off for disassembly, inspection, and probable overhaul. Every shop I got a quote from for the overhaul noted that they had no new cylinders, only overhauled cylinders. My mechanic said that Lycoming is a full year out on new cylinder orders. Seems like everybody's having their engines done. I'm fortunate in that I was able to get a set of new cylinders thanks to my mechanic. I definitely owe him a favor. Even so, I'm looking at probably two more months due to availability of other required parts before the engine's done and on its way back.
Make sure you appreciate that Geronimo. It is truly an underrated plane. I think you will grow to like it more and more so watch out, it will sneak up on you....and with those 180's, true single engine safety.
I'm thinking that all that oil on the plugs and in the intake manifolds could very well be due to 37-year deteriorated valve stem seals, and not from stuck or broken oil control rings. The valve seals should be replaceable fairly easily and are relatively cheap from Aircraft Spruce (in airplane money). Might be worth a try.
I positively love your videos. Grizzly is amazing I love the grunting that’s so funny 🤣 Isn’t possible that the oil rings may be stuck from sitting and not being run for 40 years. I’m certain y’all may have considered that possibility just wanted to put that out there .
Is there a STC to put IO540s on a Cessna 310... The 310 has to be the most common ramp rat you see ... Seems everyone buys them and let's them sit for some reason... Oh 14gph times 2 might be the issue.
@@therealjimmysworld humm seems that STC may be either dead or owned by Mike Jones Aircraft Sales, a Murfreesboro, Tenn. Just thinking a turbo 310 would be sweet since you have 2 good io540s... A friend has a 310 with the Colemill conversion but it's been sitting for 10 years in a hangar as he never got around to getting his license.
Wouldnt it suck if it had the wrong dipstick in it, and it had like twice the oil it was supposed to? But you found that out out AFTER you rebuilt the engine? 🤪
I think it's time to make new stickers... "F%ck the 310" :) There are so many more interesting planes in your arsenal now that would be more enjoyable to see in the videos. I know you took donations to save her, but...... Just give that money back and kick this 310 pig out the door. I'd much rather see the Lancair be upgraded and really tweaked for speed and to do that most distinguished gentleman, Byron, proud! He dedicated four hard years of his life to that plane and it, and he, deserve your respect. Just my two cents Jimmy. Cheers, Sev
Again, the shear amount of mouse material would have turned the 310 into a parts plane for me. But it is what it is at this point. The Aztec??? Yep, that was the one. Best wishes.
Does the 310 have turbos? If so I would check them first as they could be leaking oil from the bearings into the intake under pressure. Having sat for such a long time the turbo bearings could have dried out and failed before oil pressure was brought up. It seems strange that all the cylinders on each engine have thick oil in them, I can't believe all the oil control rings have broken together. Cheap boroscopes are available that will give an initial indication of the cylinder bores.
Who ever buys the Piper Aztec on ebay please please start your you tube channel i want to see that baby fly in the air. Were going to learn a lot from the build.
You know Jimmy, I've always had a passion in aviation, but you really sparked my passion for old planes and fixing them up. My goal is to find an old warbird, restore it, and fly it :)
@@Donity way back in the 60’s when I was in high school, I helped a couple of vets restore a for real WWII T-6. It was all original. We took everything off right down to the frame, replaced all the rigging, reskinned the whole airframe, rewired it, rebuilt the engine It was such a cool airplane.
Someone poured oil down the intake to save the engine from lockinng up nothing wrong with it. They didnt want it to lock up. Clean it up and put it back together. Not a thing wrong with it!! The took every precaution to preserve it. That is why the gas tanks were taken off of it. I bet you could get it running faily quckly. clean it up and take a compression check on every cylinder. There is no other reason for their to be oil in the intake you over thought this one. Now your getting rid of a great plane. Oil ALWAYS PUMPS OUT THE EXHAUST DUDE NEVERV DOES IT COME BACK UP THE INTAKE SOMEONE POURED IT DOWN THE YAP TO PRESEVE IT.
the aztec was the reasonable plane to work on and not the other ones. I've told you . the 310 was a bad idea from the beginning but I will keep supporting you . You better finish a project please!!!!
Yep you bought a cat in a sack and the cats eating you now the only thing out of done different I would’ve made sure I had to go to Engine‘s before I spend any money on the 310 took them somewhere where you could run them on a test stand Grace and peace Jimmy
Might be worth calling up Baker aviation at KEVB (New Smyrna Beach Muni). I had a copper oil seal go bad on a 1954 Continental E225 and they had it. I didn't know what I was going to do. Asking around on mailing lists the Beechcraft boys found them for me. They were so good I was thinking of flying there for my annuals. Then I realized how much of a pain that would be. Very good people, very good service. This was also in July. Maybe they can do it quickly. Make sure you tell them that it was rebuilt and put away in a hanger for 41 years. That's a lot different than an engine that had been running and was put away outside for 40+ years. I think it's going to have to come apart so they can look at the journals. Could be perfect, could have rust. Only one way to know. If you deliver it to them in the back of a pickup it should be easy to do. Good luck. IMHO, if you ever go to start an engine like that again that has been sitting do what an old time mech (45+ years) that used to teach auto mech told me. Get yourself one of those oil squirt cans with a lever on the side. Fill it up with Rislone. Shoot about 5 shots into each cylinder. Rotate it by hand, then by starter. Put about 5 more shots in. Rotate it for a minute or two. Now you won't get a dry start and it should be good to go. You probably broke some rings. I hope the cylinder walls are ok.
I think you should name it "NAHCHE," (pronounced Na-ai-che). He was the hereditary war Chief of the Chiricahua Apache and the 2nd son of Cochise. The reason his name would be perfect is that it means "mischievous" and "meddlesome." What more of an apt name could this plane possibly have??? :-))
Lol.... opps!! 😬 that oil ain't where it's supposed to be! Eeeek!!! Dang... Well, did you see the video from the Juan B., about the 310 he found? Maybeeeeee , you could use that one fer parts!?!?!?! Just wondering... Anyway, we all love your content, cheers!!! Oh... here is the video ( th-cam.com/video/M-JLQ-FMjC0/w-d-xo.html. )
Ah you see those engines have a self anti corrosion system called dumping oil in every thing ......it's okay , just means it smokes a little on start up . As long as you keep wing walking to top those engines with oil all will be good !!! . Now you just need to install an oil header tank and pump to both engines and your golden !!! .
Jimmy I blame you, ,,out of annual 9 years? OK, it's all disassembled? Oh even better!,,ILL BUY IT!, I'm the proud owner of 13 big boxes and a fuselage and wings of a pa28 180. Oh I'm so stupid.
How many seconds of Sinatra's "My Way" can you play without incurring royalty obligations? Would be a nice fit in your opening sequence... "Mistakes? I've made a few..." "There were times, I guess you knew, that I bit off more than I could chew." And of course-- "I did it My-y-y-yyyy waaaaaaayyyyy!" Shoot, even as instrumental background sound it would be sooooo inspirational, and, sadly appropriate.
Take them suckers down to Tiquana at Peyote Pedro's Engine Rebuilding and Tuck'n Tear Shop. His Bondo Banditos can pack them suckers with Bon Ami and them cylinder thingies 'll buff right out. 😂 Pickup on Friday.
Must admit, still don't know why Jimmy persisted with the 310, when the original Turbo Aztec was available and in far better condition.... err "Save the 310" (though I'm suspecting putting it down may be safer and more charitable to the poor thing)
An engine mechanic that wont touch the engines because they're too old? SOunds like LJ doesn't want to do the job or get the money to do the job. GET ANOTHER MECHANIC!!!
It looks to be a Chief Dan George, who never surrendered. But they made his horse surrender and pull a army wagon in Missouri somewhere. This craft is not about to surrender. A great plane? I reckon so...(spits chew).
Grizzly should start his own channel…..he can call it Surviving Jimmy’s World😀
Grizzly my kind of people I would enjoy workin on planes with him
That’s funny.
Yes
I agree🤣🤣 go the grizza
Where does he get his money 4 these planed
I'll bet that because of the long time not running or being turned over that the oil wiper ring (bottom ring) is stuck and while the top ring would provide compression, the bottom ring wouldn't do its' job and keep oil out of the intake cycle. Because of theis, I think that you will need to pull the cyl and replace the ring set on all of the pistons. I think that the pistons are savable but the rings need to be replaced.
Kinda always liked the Aztek better myself, but I get why you chose the 310. I gotta say it looked so solid in that hanger Im surprised it turned out to be such a turd! Keep polishing and looking forward to how you plan to save it!
Hey Jimmy, a lot of people put oil down the sparkplug tubes for storage
What's a spark plug tube?
"Not those Clinton's, the good ones" 🤣🤣🤣
How about Hot Potato for the extra BTUs and general plane ownership realties. lol
Am not so shocked. OshKosh was really ambitious with that old gal.
Is that your Chinook for sale?
The last half of this video totally proves the Aztec would be a much better option to save. As I told you before # Save the Aztec!
I was actually a little surprised you started with the 310. The Aztec seemed closer to being airworthy (still might be - lol) and has way more useful load capacity. You could fit the wbole family and throw Grisly in the cargo hold and be off. Plus, I have to believe you can get more for a flying airplane than a disassembled one. Oh well.
But we're committed to saving the 310 now so... Love the videos. Keep doin the Lord's work.
Oh, and... Stop buying broken airplanes for a while, eh?
Not committed to anything. Throwing good money at bad just to keep viewers happy it foolhardy. Any viewer who thinks the 310 should still be saved isn’t paying attention. Sometimes you just have to call the ball.
I would have sold the 310 for scrap and saved the Aztec but thats just me :)
Time to stop on the 310 since nothing is usable. Time to sell it, and #savetheAztec
If the 310 was a corporation, there would be a fire there at 3:00am on Saturday night.
They took my stapler
Kinda wish Jimmy had done the Aztec over the 310
To be honest I love the other plane, 310 looks “nicer” in people’s eyes but my heart goes on the other one
Exactly!
I agree. I think the 310 needs to go for parts. He has to be so upside down on it now.
The other one is not known for being exactly safe, especially with one engine gone. The old saying was if you have an engine out, the other one will take you all the way to the crash site
I would rather be in a 310 than a PA-23 with an engine out. These airframes are getting close to sit it in a field and forget about it material.
@@iflyrcmikeRegarding single engine operation, I would rather be in a PA-23 Aztec (with 250hp IO-540s) than in a PA-23 Apache (with IO-320s or 360s). Considering general performance, Aztecs are better than Senecas as well, IMO.
Hay Jimmy got. new t-shirt slogan for you... 'I love it when a Plane comes together'
Why don"t you save Aztec if engines are good and dump 310 on ebay ? . Logically is best solution .
People ask God every day for a sign and always say he doesn't do anything, God has given you multiple signs about the 310 lol
just like a diesel, excessive oil in the intake can be bad turbo seals(if the 310 is turbocharged). Thats your problem as it's in the intake and on every plug. Not a ring issue.
This guy might be on to something that may work.
Yeah it still has to be pulling the oil from somewhere so it has to be coming from the cylinders rings so you still should check after the turbo too.
No turbos on this 310.
@@xtevexeairoux2637 it could be valve seals as well. Rings and valves are only place a NA engine can get oil into the top end
You should have rebuilt the Aztec first. That 310 is a basket case!
well.... yeah.... That was the original plan before all you guys talked me into this... lol
Also, could put compression tester attached to air compressor and blow air into the chamber set on top dead center (ie both valves closed). Listen to see where air is escaping (if not escaping at all you've got great compression). If coming out intake manifold ie carburetor, then bad intake valve. If coming out exhaust, then bad exhaust valve. If coming out in oil pan, then bad rings (or hole in piston🤣). If good compression, start and run. If blowing oil out exhaust, then oil rings shot. Pull jugs and look at rings. Just use your hot rod knowledge of engines to diagnose. If u don't have that knowledge, ask a hot rodder or real good auto mechanic to diagnose the problem. Then you can take appropriate steps with AP. But it's just an engine. Not made of glass. Tear apart what u need to to see what's wrong b4 you spend a ton of money and time u don't have on an A&P to diagnose. If u tear apart and u diagnose problem and can be fixed economically, take parts to AP and let him put back together with his stamp. Save the money for diagnosing and tear down by doing it yourself. That's half the alure of your channel. Figuring how to get people into aviation affordably (that's an oxymoron-- affordable aviation🤣).
Also, just happened to think one other possible way for oil to get into combustion chamber if an airplane engine has valve guides (I assume they do) and oil in the area above valves (on a car would be under your valve covers). If your valves guides get worn, oil will run down the worn space between valve stem and valve guide. On a car it will cause them to really smoke when first start them up cuz burning all oil that ran down into combustion chamber over nite. Soon as oil is burned will stop smoking. But if valve guides really worn, engine will use quite a bit of oil and will have all the usual symptoms of oil burning engine--fouled plugs, oily plugs, etc.
I never believe in quitting, but maybe it's time to walk away from this one.
It is an absolute money pit.
As this mornings video opens, we see Grizzly struggling to find his feet in the swirling miasma of distorted time and space that suddenly makes you aware that you are entering JIMMY’s WORLD! This is a universe best enjoyed with a Hersey bar and a Mountain Dew. Can I get a clear…..!
Love it! That would make a great entry with some twilight zone music!!!
Jimmy can never be cloned ! Definitely one of a kind
@@HighOctane-wo6cm Jimmy is a clone of Jim Carrey.
Hot Potato
You made it Jim...Juan Browne had mentioned you and your save the 310.... you are now considered a " influencer".. good morning sir...love your content.
hahahaha, that's a scary thought! lol Thanks for the comment!
@@therealjimmysworld I swear I saw a twinkle in Juans eye when he mentioned your name on his "310" vid... He's cast the line with the appropriate bait. 😊
Jimmy, would running heat cycles help bring the rings back like in old chevys?
It's possible, however with everything else compounding, it's a tough one.
Like the Eyetalian tune up?
@@terrallputnam7979 yes like what vice grip does
If the oil is in the intake tubes doesn't that mean it's coming in upstream of the cylinders? Turbo's leaking or similar?
That's exactly what I was thinking. Oil passing the rings and then making it's way past the intake valve would be a much greater issue. The oil is coming from some upstream source. Not sure about aircraft engines but do they have a crankcase ventilation valve?
With all that oil on them plugs and in those cylinders if grizzly ever decided to be an Oklahoma rough neck and start drilling from oil he’s got dripping he’s got a Headstart because that man definitely struck black gold Texas tea and didn’t come up from the ground like bubbling crude it was just from a set of continentals that were being rude. Now everybody knows the continental‘s have bad valves so get rid of those drippy engines and let Lycoming do the spinning😂
Ok so this plane is a TOTAL loss...how about changing the slogan to "save A 310" and just work only on the other one....just trying to give you some flex while remaining (almost) intellectually honest :)
The oil was clear when you found it originally now it's black...... Kind of indicates exhaust in the crankcase.... Not just valves ..... the oil in the intake indicates bad intake valves not sealing...
yep... very possible...
Time to sell this plane as it is! There's no longer any point in pushing forward. Also, it doesn't even makes good and fun videos anymore only stupid ones.
Sell it, lick the wounds and of to new exciting projects.
I would like a video in peace and quiet about that Mig-plane, the coolest plane you ever have filmed. It would be informatived for you as the owner now to talk us thru everything there is to know.
Greetings from Sweden!
Jimmy, I worry that you are willing to risk your life with an aircraft that presents so many warnings of danger. Please step back and reevaluate your priority.
This! There will always be endless "gotcha" components. One will be major. Many will not be known. I wouldn't fly that aircraft for 5 years/500 hours after it has been signed off.
The Aztec is @ $15,000 as of this post. I don't remember what you paid for it. I hope you make out like a bandit.
oil in the intake manifold could be th seals in the turbo leaking.
No turbos on that 310.
damn I wish I could afford to do this stuff, been my dream my whole life to be a pilot and own my own plane, sadly never going to happen
That much leaking is just weird loosing 3 quarts in one hour. Maybe Jimmy added to much oil? I bet whatever is causing it, will be something stupid. Did you do a leak down test?
ATTENTION JIMMY. DON'T PANIC. REPLACE VALVE STEM SEALS AND YOUR PROBLEM WILL BE SOLVED.
Harbor Freight will be having a special on large lawn mower crate engines next month. You'll just have to fly slower.
JIMMY I an curious, what was your job in the Airforce? If you don't want to be pacifi, aircrew or ground crew ?
Surely, you have to call it 'The Hot Potato' if it has more power? 🙂👍
Torch it on top of a huge pyre and sell the remains for scrap. This is a dead rotting horse in so many ways!
Man, just ditch the 310 and build the Aztec. There’s not going to be anything left of the original anyway.
Call it the hot potato! With the engine being the hotter version!
Great suggestion!
Came here to say this, but I knew that someone must have suggested it already.
It's a Super Spud
Get rid of the 310 it's going to drain you till your absolutely broke. You should have been putting the one your going to sell back together and you wouldn't be putting good money into a bad thing
Do a comparison test i am thinking someone put oil in the cycenders to protect them its not good but i think if its in all the cycenders that's the only way it could be there. Clean it up and do a comparison test.
Thanks for the suggestion, we'll give that a shot.
But why would the oil level go down, 3 quarts, in an hours running?
@@johnnunn8688 voles open in that cycender do to movement of the prop.
@@johnnunn8688 this is a gess but I have never seen a engine with all the cycenders bad much less all of them on the same aircraft. It's just not normal. Your talking 12 cycenders on 2 deferant engines its just not right its is possible but no probable. I would clean it up and do a comparison test before I pulled it apart. Just to possible save time and money.
i read that engine has a hidden top cylinder lubrication system, looks like the return line is plugged
Non pilot question but, couldn't you use the good engines from that plane for the Aztec on the 310?
Oooooo now I’m really wondering where the 310 saga goes….
stand by :) It's freakin epic!!
Thanks for another great video Jimmy. It was interesting and enjoyable.
First of all I am a bit confused on what airplane is which. The train of thought has been save the 310. Now you are talking about another airplane that could replace it. Too many airplanes in your group of flying machines.
Not trying to say ya or na, but from what I saw today, believe the cost overruns on the 310 makes it a not so good deal. Might be time to say goodbye to the 310???
The twin engine you have been flying, why not use it????? Seems to be running great???
Just saying looking at the money end of things. Sometimes we have to backup and regroup liking it or not.
Thanks to Silas for excellent filming and checking the airplane over before flight. Nice work young man.
Well Jimmy not trying to push things to you from my perspective but money is money and you should re-evaluate your position with your inventory of airplanes.
Will be quiet now and get out of your way.
You take care and be safe.
Looking forward to the next video.
Thanks for everything.
You take care of yourself.
Retired Air Force veteran.
Two months.... Ah yes, welcome to the world of GA maintenance in 2022. My engine decided to get into the glitter manufacturing business so it's been sent off for disassembly, inspection, and probable overhaul. Every shop I got a quote from for the overhaul noted that they had no new cylinders, only overhauled cylinders. My mechanic said that Lycoming is a full year out on new cylinder orders. Seems like everybody's having their engines done. I'm fortunate in that I was able to get a set of new cylinders thanks to my mechanic. I definitely owe him a favor. Even so, I'm looking at probably two more months due to availability of other required parts before the engine's done and on its way back.
"glitter manufacturing business" that's good stuff! Aviation comedy gold!
Jimmy, a sad day indeed. oil in intake tube not good.
That 310 is a complete POS ……get rid of it
Make sure you appreciate that Geronimo. It is truly an underrated plane. I think you will grow to like it more and more so watch out, it will sneak up on you....and with those 180's, true single engine safety.
Nickname for the piper
HOT POTATO
Looks like this plane is a lost cause. Needed new engines.
I'm thinking that all that oil on the plugs and in the intake manifolds could very well be due to 37-year deteriorated valve stem seals, and not from stuck or broken oil control rings. The valve seals should be replaceable fairly easily and are relatively cheap from Aircraft Spruce (in airplane money). Might be worth a try.
I absolutely love your passion for aviation but the 310 is a bit of a challenge my friend.
#savethe310
Never give up! Never surrender! #SaveThe310
@@therealjimmysworld #admitdefeat #persistenceisfutile
You really just need to junk that 310.
I positively love your videos. Grizzly is amazing I love the grunting that’s so funny 🤣 Isn’t possible that the oil rings may be stuck from sitting and not being run for 40 years. I’m certain y’all may have considered that possibility just wanted to put that out there .
I love your content. Hopefully you are not as stressed working on it as I am watching !!! LOL
hahaha, oh no... this thing has aged me 10 years already!! lol
Is there a STC to put IO540s on a Cessna 310... The 310 has to be the most common ramp rat you see ... Seems everyone buys them and let's them sit for some reason... Oh 14gph times 2 might be the issue.
There is... it's called a Riley Rocket :)
@@therealjimmysworld humm seems that STC may be either dead or owned by Mike Jones Aircraft Sales, a Murfreesboro, Tenn. Just thinking a turbo 310 would be sweet since you have 2 good io540s... A friend has a 310 with the Colemill conversion but it's been sitting for 10 years in a hangar as he never got around to getting his license.
If those engines have turbos it's likely a turbo seal leak
Wouldnt it suck if it had the wrong dipstick in it, and it had like twice the oil it was supposed to? But you found that out out AFTER you rebuilt the engine? 🤪
hahahaha, I would love to find out that's all it was!!! lol
Too bad...I was looking forward to the Aztec project.
Jimmy, I got $100 on the Aztec as is. You have a great channel man keep it up.
I think it's time to make new stickers... "F%ck the 310" :) There are so many more interesting planes in your arsenal now that would be more enjoyable to see in the videos. I know you took donations to save her, but...... Just give that money back and kick this 310 pig out the door.
I'd much rather see the Lancair be upgraded and really tweaked for speed and to do that most distinguished gentleman, Byron, proud! He dedicated four hard years of his life to that plane and it, and he, deserve your respect.
Just my two cents Jimmy.
Cheers, Sev
Again, the shear amount of mouse material would have turned the 310 into a parts plane for me. But it is what it is at this point. The Aztec??? Yep, that was the one. Best wishes.
I am saying myself why Jimmy not working on the Aztec
Jimmy....call it HOT POTATO!!!!
Curious why you didn't start with the Aztec, it always looked like the best of the two with the most promise!
I think he did a poll.
Does the 310 have turbos? If so I would check them first as they could be leaking oil from the bearings into the intake under pressure. Having sat for such a long time the turbo bearings could have dried out and failed before oil pressure was brought up. It seems strange that all the cylinders on each engine have thick oil in them, I can't believe all the oil control rings have broken together. Cheap boroscopes are available that will give an initial indication of the cylinder bores.
Who ever buys the Piper Aztec on ebay please please start your you tube channel i want to see that baby fly in the air. Were going to learn a lot from the build.
Thanks for the update Jimmy! I have been watching Lycoming and Continental rebuild videos and see why it takes so long to rebuild these engines.
Those engines are Fu***d
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You know Jimmy, I've always had a passion in aviation, but you really sparked my passion for old planes and fixing them up. My goal is to find an old warbird, restore it, and fly it :)
Nice!! Glad I could encourage you! It's fantastic!
@@therealjimmysworld For example I'd try to find a T-6 not in the best condition and restore it .
@@Donity way back in the 60’s when I was in high school, I helped a couple of vets restore a for real WWII T-6. It was all original. We took everything off right down to the frame, replaced all the rigging, reskinned the whole airframe, rewired it, rebuilt the engine
It was such a cool airplane.
@@billmoran3812 that's amazing. Would it have been more unique during the 21st century because they're a bit rarer now?
Someone poured oil down the intake to save the engine from lockinng up nothing wrong with it. They didnt want it to lock up. Clean it up and put it back together. Not a thing wrong with it!! The took every precaution to preserve it. That is why the gas tanks were taken off of it. I bet you could get it running faily quckly. clean it up and take a compression check on every cylinder. There is no other reason for their to be oil in the intake you over thought this one. Now your getting rid of a great plane. Oil ALWAYS PUMPS OUT THE EXHAUST DUDE NEVERV DOES IT COME BACK UP THE INTAKE SOMEONE POURED IT DOWN THE YAP TO PRESEVE IT.
ATTENTION. ATTENTION
JIMMY REMOVE VALVE STEM SEALS AND REPLACE WITH NEW SEALS.
Hey Jimmy where are you?
the aztec was the reasonable plane to work on and not the other ones. I've told you . the 310 was a bad idea from the beginning but I will keep supporting you . You better finish a project please!!!!
Yep you bought a cat in a sack and the cats eating you now the only thing out of done different I would’ve made sure I had to go to Engine‘s before I spend any money on the 310 took them somewhere where you could run them on a test stand Grace and peace Jimmy
Might be worth calling up Baker aviation at KEVB (New Smyrna Beach Muni). I had a copper oil seal go bad on a 1954 Continental E225 and they had it. I didn't know what I was going to do. Asking around on mailing lists the Beechcraft boys found them for me. They were so good I was thinking of flying there for my annuals. Then I realized how much of a pain that would be. Very good people, very good service. This was also in July. Maybe they can do it quickly. Make sure you tell them that it was rebuilt and put away in a hanger for 41 years. That's a lot different than an engine that had been running and was put away outside for 40+ years. I think it's going to have to come apart so they can look at the journals. Could be perfect, could have rust. Only one way to know. If you deliver it to them in the back of a pickup it should be easy to do. Good luck.
IMHO, if you ever go to start an engine like that again that has been sitting do what an old time mech (45+ years) that used to teach auto mech told me. Get yourself one of those oil squirt cans with a lever on the side. Fill it up with Rislone. Shoot about 5 shots into each cylinder. Rotate it by hand, then by starter. Put about 5 more shots in. Rotate it for a minute or two. Now you won't get a dry start and it should be good to go. You probably broke some rings. I hope the cylinder walls are ok.
The good Clintons...that was funny
How 'bout the Apache (?) being "Hot Potato?" Alternatively "Something powerful that starts with a D" Potato? Dynamic Potato? Manly Spud?
Could it be the turbos that are filling the intake with oil?
No turbos on this 310
I think you should name it "NAHCHE," (pronounced Na-ai-che). He was the hereditary war Chief of the Chiricahua Apache and the 2nd son of Cochise. The reason his name would be perfect is that it means "mischievous" and "meddlesome." What more of an apt name could this plane possibly have??? :-))
By the time I looked on eBay it was already at $20,000.00 - * wanted to be the first bidder !!!!!! CLEAR PROP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would BURN the 310!! 😁😁 And put the money from the 310 in the Aztech..... But i'm not Jimmy.....😁😁
Lol.... opps!! 😬 that oil ain't where it's supposed to be! Eeeek!!! Dang...
Well, did you see the video from the Juan B., about the 310 he found? Maybeeeeee , you could use that one fer parts!?!?!?! Just wondering...
Anyway, we all love your content, cheers!!!
Oh... here is the video ( th-cam.com/video/M-JLQ-FMjC0/w-d-xo.html. )
Hot Potato! 😁👍👍🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉👍👍 Have you guys checked compression? Maybe someone poured oil in the intake to store the engines? 😁 Yeah right
Great name! lol Yeah, I wish that was the case... plan B engaged!
@@therealjimmysworld Found replacement engines! Yeeaaaa!!! 👍👍 Clear prop time coming soon!
Ah you see those engines have a self anti corrosion system called dumping oil in every thing ......it's okay , just means it smokes a little on start up . As long as you keep wing walking to top those engines with oil all will be good !!! . Now you just need to install an oil header tank and pump to both engines and your golden !!! .
Q: How do you make a small fortune? A: Have a large fortune and buy an abandoned 310.
Jimmy I blame you, ,,out of annual 9 years? OK, it's all disassembled? Oh even better!,,ILL BUY IT!, I'm the proud owner of 13 big boxes and a fuselage and wings of a pa28 180. Oh I'm so stupid.
You play with OLD PLANES... you deal with Old Plane Problems!!! Hopefully you'd feel safe flying your family on those 310 engines after you fix them?
How many seconds of Sinatra's "My Way" can you play without incurring royalty obligations? Would be a nice fit in your opening sequence... "Mistakes? I've made a few..."
"There were times, I guess you knew, that I bit off more than I could chew." And of course--
"I did it My-y-y-yyyy waaaaaaayyyyy!"
Shoot, even as instrumental background sound it would be sooooo inspirational, and, sadly appropriate.
Take them suckers down to Tiquana at Peyote Pedro's Engine Rebuilding and Tuck'n Tear Shop.
His Bondo Banditos can pack them suckers with Bon Ami and them cylinder thingies 'll buff right out. 😂
Pickup on Friday.
save the AZTEC with Jasons world Started from a donated AZTEC!!!!!! sounds like a winner!!!
Must admit, still don't know why Jimmy persisted with the 310, when the original Turbo Aztec was available and in far better condition.... err "Save the 310" (though I'm suspecting putting it down may be safer and more charitable to the poor thing)
An engine mechanic that wont touch the engines because they're too old? SOunds like LJ doesn't want to do the job or get the money to do the job. GET ANOTHER MECHANIC!!!
How far are you going to fall down this money pit you call the 310?
till we find the bottom.... lol
Found a 310I salvage at Mecklynburg airport va. Landed with wheels up. Got pictures if interested. Been sitting for over 6 months.
It looks to be a Chief Dan George, who never surrendered. But they made his horse surrender and pull a army wagon in Missouri somewhere.
This craft is not about to surrender. A great plane? I reckon so...(spits chew).