Fener Fans Making Ataman Go Off & Players Reacting To Our Gifts

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  • The first day of the EuroLeague 2024 Final Four week was more eventful than expected. BasketNews' Donatas Urbonas & Gytis Blazevicius visit the team arrivals of all participating teams: Real Madrid, Olympiacos Piraeus, Panathinaikos Athens & Fenerbahce Istanbul. From gifting BasketNews merch to Thomas Walkup & Nigel Hayes-Davis, to Fener fans frustrating coach Ergin Ataman.
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  • @smyrnamusic
    @smyrnamusic หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    8:10 just imagine peeing peacefully and all of a sudden you hear Ataman screaming

    • @dimitrisvoi8771
      @dimitrisvoi8771 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      are you blind???

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@dimitrisvoi8771 Course he is. Kadikoy used to be Chalcedon. The City of The Blind.
      Because their founders couldn't realize Constantinople was Right. There.

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And he even got women and children kicked out, that didn't have ANYTHING to do with the chaos outside.. Sad behaviour

    • @SEISMOPLIKTOS
      @SEISMOPLIKTOS หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TurquazCannabiz lol if police are useless it's not his problem

    • @blutao1648
      @blutao1648 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And if you happen to take a shit rather, severe constipation is inevitable..

  • @Trapligo
    @Trapligo หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    As a panathinaikos fan I laughed so hard when fener fans were shouting at ataman and ataman was shouting back 😂😂 like he couldn't have talked at all

    • @user-qb3ej4nu3r
      @user-qb3ej4nu3r หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Wait come gate 13

    • @user-qb3ej4nu3r
      @user-qb3ej4nu3r หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You and your mother come greece

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Go back to playing some Fortnite kid. When you see hair on your chin, come back and talk.

    • @mertbeyis3024
      @mertbeyis3024 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dude, we have no business with you, we have nothing to do with your vile husband.

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-qb3ej4nu3r gate 13 😂😂😂

  • @OzkanBayram1989
    @OzkanBayram1989 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Guys, as a Fener fan, i also have ordered a Nigel Hayes shirt last week. And if i see what kind of peacefull message you want to give the people, especially in the last minute of this video, you really are earning the credits.. you have a dream job and please keep up the great work.. love from the Netherlands

  • @hasanozturkfb
    @hasanozturkfb หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    We don't have a problem with Panathinaikos. Fenerbahçe fans were shouting "do it doping, do it doping, Ergin Ataman do it doping". Turkish chant "Doping yapsana, doping yapsana, Ergin Ataman doping yapsana" We generally saying this chant "When Fenerbahçe is guarantee to win the match or the difference is widened in the match"
    This is related with year 2009 Fenerbahçe - Efes series. Fenerbahçe was heading the series 2-0 on the road. Then Efes won 4 game consecutive. And they took the championship 4-2. After that wada (world anti doping agency) made a test and two players of Efes Kerem Gönlüm and Mario Kasun "cathine" positive. Wada wants to make another players test but Efes refused. Federation President made a statement about this "This is scientifict fact and looks like organised".
    After that we read lots of stories about this. Efes, host for a dinner after 2-0 down and they gave the team this substance (cathine) or there is another story they gave them lockery room.
    But, Ergin Ataman has a power of Turkish basketball press. And always manipulated this topic and said "They hate me because I win against them". Especially Obradovic - Fenerbahçe years. He was talking about Obradovic and was saying "I always win against him (Obradovic)." He made lots insultation against Obradovic.
    As a Fenerbahçe fan we love Obradovic a lot. It is legendary for us but we accept Obradovic - Panathinakos relation bigger than Obradovic - Fenerbahçe relation. So, I am telling to Pao fans; This guy is a good coach but you should know this guy's character. He was insulting your legend as well.

    • @Jayjay1907_
      @Jayjay1907_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      Het e liglfe lier

    • @hasanozturkfb
      @hasanozturkfb หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jayjay1907_ Ahaha. Science does not lie bro. You can google it Kerem Gönlüm doping punishment - 1 year.
      Galatasaray fans spat on Obradovic after finished the match. During that time Ergin Ataman was talking about Obradovic and saying he provokes our fans bla bla bla.
      This is the proof: media-cdn.t24.com.tr/media/stories/2016/05/raw_obradovice-tukuruklu-saldiri_051595198.jpg

    • @hasanozturkfb
      @hasanozturkfb หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jayjay1907_ Science does not lie. You can google it Kerem Gönlüm's doping punishment.1 year! There are lots examples of between Fenerbahçe and Ataman.
      Galatasaray fans spat on Obradovic after finished the match. During that time Ergin Ataman was talking about Obradovic and saying he provokes our fans bla bla bla. You can check this pic. media-cdn.t24.com.tr/media/stories/2016/05/raw_obradovice-tukuruklu-saldiri_051595198.jpg

    • @hasanozturkfb
      @hasanozturkfb หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jayjay1907_ Science does not lie. You can google it Kerem Gönlüm's doping punishment.1 year! There are lots examples of between Fenerbahçe and Ataman.
      Galatasaray fans spat on Obradovic after finished the match. During that time Ergin Ataman was talking about Obradovic and saying he provokes our fans bla bla bla. You can check google either.

    • @goodtaste8791
      @goodtaste8791 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah we saw that you don't have problem when you shout "instabul" at Panathinaikos players

  • @sefaguney9779
    @sefaguney9779 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I am a big Fener fan and that is a classic Ataman behavior.Our fans were screaming about the doping, but they didn't curse and Ataman started with f.off.If your history is clear,why do you care about this cheer?

    • @user-vd5mr5ix7d
      @user-vd5mr5ix7d หลายเดือนก่อน

      Άντε ρε μαλακα .αύριο θα φας καλά.μαλακα.

    • @damdam88977
      @damdam88977 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The doping issue is a fabrication of Fenerbahçe hooligans. There is no official evidence. Hooligans still can't forget losing 0-2 to 4-2 in the final series

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@damdam88977 its not a fabrication at all buddy

    • @bellerefonpug5854
      @bellerefonpug5854 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Klasik FB taraftarı her kaybedilen şampiyonlukta kendilerinde hiç suç olmaz. Hiç bir şey olmasa da bir şey oldu. Çok eziksiniz gülüyoruz bu hallerinize. Adam bir kere milli takımında hocası. Adamı kışkırtın sonra biz bir şey yapmadık. Nasıl sizi dumur etti. Şimdi de kufredin maç donu kim kimi dikti gördük.

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bellerefonpug5854 Türk takimi elendi artık sevinebilirsiniz fransız dölleri

  • @dmoonchild
    @dmoonchild หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Ok there are clearly 15 stupid Fener fans. But this has happened to other coaches as well. Coach Bartzokas was confronted when entering OAKA last year by a court seat fan. He kept going to the bench. The reactions of Atamn are half hysterical half comical and it's not the first time. He could have just ignored 15 stupid fans and walk on to the reception. But no... he had to make a scene, to scream "no interviews from me, punish me", "I will not go to the press conference, punish me" "lets go back in Athens" and of course today he attended the press conference and he did not fly back to Athens. Like Giannakopoulos, the president, "i will leave Euroleague and join FIBA champions league", "I am leaving Pana and I will come back only if the sun rises from the west" "I will put everybody in prison". Unfortunately this is the current organizational culture of Pana.

    • @menelaos_chr
      @menelaos_chr หลายเดือนก่อน

      you compare a hotel which is a resting place for players and their families with an arena. Εισαι μπουφος και καθυστερημενος

    • @alperakar651
      @alperakar651 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      giannakopoulos and ataman: """birds of a feather flock together"""

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sounds like you have the same organizational structure as us Turks

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk หลายเดือนก่อน

      just like fenerbahce.

  • @Jimmious
    @Jimmious หลายเดือนก่อน +198

    Ataman escalated the situation for no reason. There were 15 people shouting some chants maybe against him and his "history" but if he wouldn't have responded with swearing it would have stayed there. He always wants to get the attention

    • @user-yt2jw9ni5s
      @user-yt2jw9ni5s หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      So i guess its fine if your team and coach had and angry crowed shouting and insluting at them without security. Man you miss the whole point.

    • @Jimmious
      @Jimmious หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@user-yt2jw9ni5s it's not fine but the whole thing would have been over in 5 seconds. He didn't need to respond or swear at them or ,even worse, turn back to act tough.

    • @inikous58
      @inikous58 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      How hypocritical is to say that a guy should react properly to an abusive and disrespectfull event?!
      Euroleague and police should have protected the teams from an event like that!
      Your hypocrisy is of the charts!
      If there were no Fenerbahce fans right there, nothing would happen! Why don't you start the argument there, but you choose to start the blaming from Ataman's reaction and later? Like it is normal and good for 15 Fenerbahce fans or maybe even hooligans to be 2 meters away from Panathinaikos coaching stuff and players and the only security guards are those from the hotel!
      You are a pathetic hater of Ataman or Panathinaikos and it is very clear.

    • @inikous58
      @inikous58 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Fenerbahce.Forever You are probably a kid...Why you ask that question and what does it prove if i answer that is not normal? That dude inside the hotel that talked to Ataman and told him to calm down, had no freaking reason to talk to Ataman in first place and tell him what to do....When someone is enraged to tell him what to do like you are parenting them, is provoking...If he wanted to calm him down he would go there and give him a hug or calm him down by talking to him calmly and not to tell him how he should behave. If he was respectful he shouldn't have talked but with his move to talk to Ataman he was giving the blame to Ataman. He had no reason to talk to him..Who tha F is he anyway to calm Ataman down?

    • @inikous58
      @inikous58 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Fenerbahce.Forever So the fans have the right to yell at Ataman outside the hotel and next to kids (like Lessort's daughter) but Ataman is wrong when he does it Fener fanboy. Yes when he was enraged he misbehaved but you are the biggest hypocrite because you don't want to talk about the reason he was enraged in the first place...Like he woke up that morning and said i will go inside the hotel and yell at a family...HYPOCRITE with 5 stars...Go watch Football with fake ass stars...Stars get in the emblem for European titles..YOUR team HAS 0 in footaball and 1 in Euroleague...

  • @karaadae
    @karaadae หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    It is Ataman who initiated the swearing... He's trying to act the victim to consolidate his team and appear on the press... Does it all the time, in Gala, Besiktas, Efes... This is his act.

    • @fingertrick_7
      @fingertrick_7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      He's a 🤡....so ridiculous person!

    • @aristotelisentertainment279
      @aristotelisentertainment279 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So provoking me is fine huh? gtfo

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fingertrick_7 3-0. Until the end, kid.

    • @karaadae
      @karaadae หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@aristotelisentertainment279 In Turkish culture provoking is in the rights of the fans. When they cheer you up, you like it. When you are criticized, you should keep a cool head. Professionals are paid to endure provocations, where the fans are not. Swearing is criticisable if the fans are doing it, but unacceptable and punishable by sports authorities if the paid sports professionals are doing it.

    • @ianbarbaros2248
      @ianbarbaros2248 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@karaadaeI agree they shouldn't act like babies they are grown men Ataman overeacted

  • @omeroguz
    @omeroguz หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    Ataman shouted, “No press conference, let's back to Athens”. After a few hours, he attends a press conference. What a clown.

    • @doctorefootball8207
      @doctorefootball8207 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      He won two euroleagues back to back now he is final 4 on Sunday you will be the clown

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Keep doing this. We won't laugh at you in a few hours. It will be fine.
      Is what I told to the Barca fans. And the Maccabi fans. And the Zvezda fans.
      You people never learn.

    • @gb-wv9dx
      @gb-wv9dx หลายเดือนก่อน

      DALYARRAK ATAMAN SİKMEKTEN YORULDU SİZİ

    • @fuatozer6731
      @fuatozer6731 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because he is gergin Ataman.

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@doctorefootball8207 And? Someone can win a million trophies. But if he is a weirdo, he is a weirdo. Trophies won't change that.

  • @ilijabrasic4999
    @ilijabrasic4999 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    SUPPORT TO FENERBAHCE FANS HAHAHA CRAZYYY BOYS

    • @giorgosfylaktou2610
      @giorgosfylaktou2610 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ΠΕΡΑΣΤΙΚΑ ΣΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΙΣ ΔΥΟ ΟΜΑΔΕΣ, ΠΑΝΑΘΗΝΑ'Ι'ΚΟ ΚΑΙ ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΟ ΠΟΥ ΧΑΣΑΤΕ. ΓΙΏΡΓΟΣ ΛΕΜΕΣΌΣ ΚΎΠΡΟΣ 🇨🇾🇨🇾✌️✌️👍👍

  • @stavrosvavasis373
    @stavrosvavasis373 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    i really don`t think it was such a big deal - just 10-15 ppl chanting there , not agrgressive at all. I think Ataman wanted to get things fired up... mind games :)

    • @blutao1648
      @blutao1648 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He simply hates Fenerbahce. Obsessively. He was ready to swear and curse those fans regardless what they chanted

  • @thomaslarose5733
    @thomaslarose5733 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    Ataman angry over 10 people. He acted ridiculous.

    • @user-qb3ej4nu3r
      @user-qb3ej4nu3r หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are rediculus and you mother

    • @zekeriyahaldun1518
      @zekeriyahaldun1518 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Those people there are a hooligan association founded by the Fenerbahçe president. What they say is not just bad cheering... A completely provocative hooligan group.

    • @Mac-hb9kn
      @Mac-hb9kn หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fenerbahce s..krrr adamiiiii😂 💙💛
      We have got so much hate against Ataman.. I don’t think he’s Turk.. probably Greek; that’s we have hate him.. 😅 Soccer team resigned with Other idiot (Terim) .. Ataman will be kick by Panaaa after Fenerbahce Game 😅😅😅

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@zekeriyahaldun1518 hahahah mal

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zekeriyahaldun1518 cry more

  • @Valhalla_Rising747
    @Valhalla_Rising747 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    only dpg was missing from this theater company...

    • @athens1966
      @athens1966 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Dpg and ataman are your DADDIES

    • @dmarkwelberg
      @dmarkwelberg หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Luckily for fener L fans

    • @bloodlinegate7
      @bloodlinegate7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dmarkwelberg Luckily? Why, what do you think he would have done?

    • @dmarkwelberg
      @dmarkwelberg หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bloodlinegate7 as you are Greek and Oly fan I’m sure you have an idea. Don’t ask rhetorical questions.

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah, I believe we needed some Mr. Bean.

  • @stevekesedakisstormchasing7031
    @stevekesedakisstormchasing7031 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Ataman is such a drama seeker......

    • @caglarpolat2626
      @caglarpolat2626 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ataman yapacak size drama friday

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@phantomassassin___5945 I'll be right back to laugh at that comment.

    • @caglarpolat2626
      @caglarpolat2626 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@phantomassassin___5945 see u tommrw

    • @phantomassassin___5945
      @phantomassassin___5945 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@caglarpolat2626 Türksün yunan takımını destekliyorsun Ataların görse yüzüne tükürür yazık.

    • @caglarpolat2626
      @caglarpolat2626 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I told u cowboys.🏀🏀🏀

  • @bunospor
    @bunospor หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Fenerbahçe fans have nicknamed Ergin Ataman as 'Gergin Ataman' (which means 'Tense Ataman'). Watching this video, you'll see why it's such a fitting name

    • @fingertrick_7
      @fingertrick_7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      To the point 😂😂... thanks for clarify!!!

    • @veysel7232
      @veysel7232 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You'll see who is gonna be tense after ataman kicks your ass in the match

    • @Arma66634
      @Arma66634 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@veysel7232dedi siksaray bukalemun taraftari.

    • @damdam88977
      @damdam88977 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All Europe except Fenerbahçe hooligans know him as 'Winner Ataman'

    • @damdam88977
      @damdam88977 หลายเดือนก่อน

      fenerbahce hooligans call themselves 'serbian soldiers'

  • @appadi4969
    @appadi4969 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    ataman is a showman. he likes fighting. fans are just yelling. why ataman is yelling too. he has a problem he is jelious

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jelious? hahaha he have 5 eurocup. you have only 1. who is the jealous.

  • @serkan-gl2op
    @serkan-gl2op หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The exchange between the Fenerbahçe fan & Ataman at the lobby is missing the translation. Here's the naive one:
    6:29 - Fenerbahçe fan: Coach don't yell, coach, please, it's not necessary.
    6:31 - 6:40 - Ataman: He's the unnecessary (meaning the people outside using the f-word), the unnecessary thing is that they're swearing at me, upon arrival. Get out of here.
    (While Ataman swore to the Fenerbahçe fans outside, there was no exchange of curse words in that particular interaction)
    Tried to be as objective as possible to contribute to the conversation. I hope we get to see some amazing basketball this weekend.

  • @andreasc5433
    @andreasc5433 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    OK, that was unpleasant but this guy Ataman is such a drama queen, omg!! "Let's go back to Athens..." I mean, he shouldn't get so influenced by Pana owner who is well I will not utter the word.

  • @kenakort
    @kenakort หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Man who reached F4 5 times w/3 teams, 2 time EL winner, 2 times EC winner but can't over come hate of Fenerbahçe. Pathetic.

    • @alperakar651
      @alperakar651 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      mezara kadar böyle. nefretin bir de 2 çeşidir vardır. haklı nefret / haksız nefret. haklı nefretinin acısını bir yerde çıkarırsın. haksız nefret hep sende kalır, seni öldürür sonra o nefret yoluna devam eder hatta seni gömer hayatta kalır o nefret. bu adam da böyle... yazık.

    • @Tattersail811
      @Tattersail811 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We all do.

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alperakar651 Adam size nefret etmekte hakli. Adamin anasina bacisina karisina cocuguna olmus babasina her mac kufrederseniz adam sizden nefret etmekte hakli olur. Adam hakli ise o zaman sizin nefretiniz haksiz olur. Bu nefret seninde dedigin gibi sizin takimi yiyip bitiriyor. Bir turlu basarilar gelmiyor. Birde buradan bak bu olaya. Adam sizin moby dick'iniz ama sizini haberiniz yok mister ahab.

  • @selagetiren5
    @selagetiren5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I watched cut version of this video but apparently, firstly Gergin Ataman initiated cursing to these people. Then after fans started chantingşşşş

    • @captainvanisher988
      @captainvanisher988 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ?? They were literally chanting before Ataman was even out of the bus. Nonetheless, they got humbled.

  • @alpaysedatdurukan2361
    @alpaysedatdurukan2361 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    man just from the video Ataman just went crazy for no fucking reason. Like 10 dudes cursing/chanting Ataman is probably the lightest of the reactions he got:D Btw for non-turkish speakers, at first fans were saying do doping(issue with fenerbahce fans and ataman since he was the coach of galatasaray and efes) and than Ataman just cursed than the fans walking towards him and chanting... Ataman literally made an issue out of nothing, none of it was against pana, its just ataman and fenerbahce fans hating since 10 years or so

  • @eylulvargun894
    @eylulvargun894 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Ataman classics..Always provokes..

    • @gb-wv9dx
      @gb-wv9dx หลายเดือนก่อน

      ÇOK SİKTİ BE SİZİ😁😁

  • @racemert
    @racemert หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Fenerbahçe Fans:
    Ataman: They attacked me

  • @TurquazCannabiz
    @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Gergin Ataman biggest crybaby ever lmao. The Fenerbahçe win against 6alatasaray this weekend made him so tense hahahaha

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Son koyan iyi koyar. Yaz oraya bir sampiyonluk daha.

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tkaraburk tebrik ederim Türk takımı şampiyon olmadı diye sevinmişsindir

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TurquazCannabiz Fenerbahçe Türk takımı değil. Ligden çekilip Yunan ligine katılmayı düşünüyordu sizin mason başkan en son.

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TurquazCannabiz bu arada üzüldüm gerçekten ama ali koc denen yali çocuğuna öyle kilim ki anlatamam. İnsalla azı yildirim gelirde tskim tekrar milli okur

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TurquazCannabiz kazandığınız da sizin babaniziz diyrbilmeniz için mi sizi destekleyelim. Doğru söyle lan GS şampiyonlar ligini alacak olsa ve sen karar verecek olsan alsın der misin ?

  • @hadibaslayalm8256
    @hadibaslayalm8256 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I watched cut version of this video but apparently, firstly Gergin Ataman initiated cursing to these people. Then after fans started chanting

  •  หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    6:12 - nice voice crack

    • @alperakar651
      @alperakar651 หลายเดือนก่อน

      somebody has to make its remix !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @ironfoot01
    @ironfoot01 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    what a clown thing to do for a headcoach in this level.

  • @billbill921
    @billbill921 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Most of you miss the point with subjective comments and dealing with the fact only with fan criteria. Certainly Ataman's behavior of behaving like a hooligan does not honor him to put it mildly. Especially if one takes into account that his role is to prepare the team by keeping it calm and focused.
    Regardless of his behavior, the fact that fans are so close to the hotel where the team is staying is unacceptable. This incident is a big failure for the organization of the euroleague.
    Also, the supporters of Fenerbahçe in the playoffs match in Istanbul showed great disrespect to the Monaco players and they did it again in Berlin!!!
    The Euroleague is a celebration for everyone without borders and discrimination, but disrespecting the teams is a red line for me!!!!

    • @anthonypotamitis7049
      @anthonypotamitis7049 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      and they also held banners against greece later... They are orcs

    • @GioBall
      @GioBall หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonypotamitis7049 these are German citizens. aparently there is no antiracism laws in Germany. anyone can open a racist baner infront of a stadium and noone cares. Propably they would not even care if a terrorist attack happen against the 10000 Greek fans that are traveling to Berlin these days.

    • @fahrettinbicer6058
      @fahrettinbicer6058 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Takımlara karşı değiliz ?
      Rakip takım
      ( gs . (cincon)taraftarı ) Olan sizin koç Ergün , ve
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    • @billbill921
      @billbill921 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@fahrettinbicer6058 I'm Greek but I don't care about politics when I talk about basketball! I don't even dream of Istanbul becoming constantinople!!
      Do sports only. Yes Ataman behaved like a clown but that doesn't change the fact that Fener fans should show more respect to the sport!

    • @erkancmbz
      @erkancmbz หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ataman is a liar. First, that Ataman swore, then the Fans swore. (The translation was also a wrong statement, not Fenerbahçe fucks you, Fenerbahçe fucks the man). So its not for the Ataman. Ataman, "they attacked me as soon as I entered," said. Nobody attacked. "As soon as they came to me, they swore," he said (in Turkish). As soon as he arrived, Ataman cursed. He was wrong but he tried to be right by shouting.

  • @kiros75
    @kiros75 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's quite clear that Ataman is taking advantage of Fener fans unacceptable behaviour. He likes to give show. This is what he does inside the court too whenever he is creating all the time technical tension by yelling at the refferees and acting like a clown asking for technical fouls to be granted. This is just subpar politics,very cheap. He could have easily ignored them and ask for security and police from the hotel. Nothing would have happened if he didn't also provoke them too.
    On the other hand euroleague and the police were quite unprepared. Everybody knows that Turks are a big part in the population of Berlin. The presenters didn't expect Fener to have people welcoming their team in the hotel but their assumtion is really false. They should have known about the quantity of Turkish inhabitants in Berlin which could very easily lead to such incidents.

    • @Jayjay1907_
      @Jayjay1907_ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Gergin is the one swearing people he os a lier

    • @kiros75
      @kiros75 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jayjay1907_ you must fener fan! Don't the fans swaer at him? Are they saying something about doping?

    • @darkages9507
      @darkages9507 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kiros75 he has a history of doping use in his teams. fans were simply chanting "use doping again".
      and he actually first swore to them. then the fans started swearing.

    • @kiros75
      @kiros75 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darkages9507 thanks for clarifying. The swearing I can understand because we also use it in Greek!!! Ai sichtir!!!! Hahahah

    • @Jayjay1907_
      @Jayjay1907_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      Be is dopingci cheader

  • @kaanhan1078
    @kaanhan1078 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    best explanatory video about this unnecessary event.
    ataman loves that kind of smeeling. it makes him and his team more focused on the game.

  • @alherosoxni
    @alherosoxni หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Gergin ataman yine bir gerginlik yaratmayı başarış tebrik ederim

    • @mustafaceylan3720
      @mustafaceylan3720 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bilinçli yapıyor takımını motive etneye çalışıyor. Kurnaz aklı sıra

    • @damdam88977
      @damdam88977 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Önce feneVli holiganlar kendi uydurup kendi inandıkları doping muhabbetinden slogan atıyor. Ergin hoca gereken cevabı verince daha da azıtıyorlar. Çarpıtmayı gelenek haline getirmiş bi güruhtan ne beklenir ki

    • @damdam88977
      @damdam88977 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Holiganlar gene olay çıkarmış hoca gereken cevabı vermiş

  • @alperakar651
    @alperakar651 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    long story short: as long as ataman will be around, it won't be about the basketball about the court...

  • @volkanbaran5251
    @volkanbaran5251 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Ooo I watched cut version of this video but apparently, firstly Gergin Ataman initiated cursing to these people. Then after fans started chanting

    • @SpartanLeonidas1821
      @SpartanLeonidas1821 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sounds like they are shouting Eis Stin Poli 🤡🤣

  • @serkandavulcu7964
    @serkandavulcu7964 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Bay Gergin Ataman, mal wieder sehr erregt 😂

  • @knownasxristako3321
    @knownasxristako3321 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good job guys. Keep us updated with all things Final 4 and I hope we all enjoy it. Don't worry about the games Urbonas, it's just normal pationate supporting. Everyone is there to win that's the reason. Good luck to y'all.

  • @kalleon2140
    @kalleon2140 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Coach of the year, Chus Mateo. Clown of the year, Ergin Ataman.

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      who won the cup. mateo ? who is the dummy?

    • @captainvanisher988
      @captainvanisher988 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

  • @Hellios-Apollon
    @Hellios-Apollon หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I was waiting for this video hehehe

  • @pablocastroroman8056
    @pablocastroroman8056 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Best vlog ever

  • @emircetin2092
    @emircetin2092 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the guy with the hat is my hero

  • @Devrim69
    @Devrim69 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Ataman lost the match before it even started

    • @GOB28
      @GOB28 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh really....hahahaha

    • @MrTiulia
      @MrTiulia หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well well well

    • @tkaraburk
      @tkaraburk หลายเดือนก่อน

      stupid fenerbahce fan.

    • @captainvanisher988
      @captainvanisher988 หลายเดือนก่อน

    • @SpartanLeonidas1821
      @SpartanLeonidas1821 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🤣🤣🤣🤣👉🏻👌🏻

  • @darkages9507
    @darkages9507 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ataman has a history of doping use in his teams. fans were simply chanting "use doping again".
    and he actually first swore to them. then the fans started swearing.

  • @giorgos83
    @giorgos83 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    guys, this incident was very dangerous.. it's a shame for the organization.

  • @fuatozer6731
    @fuatozer6731 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ataman was the first to swear. He has always been at the center of the problem. If there is nobody to fight he fight with his shadow

  • @Anach78
    @Anach78 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If there's ATAMAN near you, then there will be chaos in a minute :)

    • @alperakar651
      @alperakar651 หลายเดือนก่อน

      tam kötü şirket yöneticisi yaaa... görünce kaç kaç kaç!!

  • @aybarserdogan9305
    @aybarserdogan9305 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Typical Ergin Ataman, good luck to Pana fans :) also thanks for saving us from him :)))

  • @Biodyn3758
    @Biodyn3758 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lovely gestures guys..Cheers🎉

  • @tunahanozdemir1
    @tunahanozdemir1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    no one attacked ergin ataman and he is the first person who saying cursed words

  • @brucewillis2603
    @brucewillis2603 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a long story between Ataman and Fener funs. There is a compitition Fener and Ataman’ s old team Efes like pana and olimpia.

  • @Burbanana
    @Burbanana หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I commented before but I want to comment something very simple and obvious in Turkiye: Fenerbahce is a club that doesn't just fight on the court or the pitch, they fight in their own country, legally and 'backstage' against their own government. Why? Because they are the only independent organization who does not want to be part of or a slave of this corrupt system. I live in the Netherlands and comparing the two countries I can say with 100% that every top Turkish league is corrupt. The Pennsylvania-led Gulen movement is still everywhere, a fight which Fener continues and won in court when they attacked with a fake match fixing case. Current and ex gala players, staff, board members etc. are and were members of this corrupt movement. So many of them fled the country, Galatasaray had to blur most of their 'legends' from championship posters. Ataman is part of this corrupt group. All European organizations should start an investigation in all top sports leagues in Turkiye!

  • @ilijabrasic4999
    @ilijabrasic4999 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    ataman is crazy guy hahahah but seriously euroleague organisation need to wake up!!! euroleague has so much potential

    • @bloodlinegate7
      @bloodlinegate7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah european basketball is too niche and if it wasn't for Greeks, Serbians, some ex soviet union countries and the Mongols, euroleague wouldn't exist as a competition.

    • @PureFact
      @PureFact หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mongols?

    • @bloodlinegate7
      @bloodlinegate7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PureFact Have you played Ghost of Tsushima?

    • @eminmmmdov7181
      @eminmmmdov7181 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@bloodlinegate7 What is gayreeks?You mean Arnavits? )

    • @bloodlinegate7
      @bloodlinegate7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@eminmmmdov7181 Sorry i don't speak mongolian.

  • @pivivis11
    @pivivis11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Today Panathinaikos fans are arriving to Berlin, all these Fenerbahce chickens will go home or to their hotel and wont come out until the game starts tomorrow. If they come out they know very well what will happen , they will start running faster than Usain Bolt, they still remember what happened in Constantinople when PAOK fans visited them....

    • @alperakar651
      @alperakar651 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you are so old timer with all these miserable threatenings... world is getting together, even a Pana fan can laugh at ergin with a Fenerbahçe fan, but you still want street fight in 2024. grown up! asap!

    • @pivivis11
      @pivivis11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@alperakar651 Yesterday Fener fans attacked the coach and players of Pana on their way to the hotel, today some Fener fans tried to enter the arena without a ticket, and you dare call me miserable with threatenings? What about those bastards that provoke violence? Who is asking for a street fight, me in the comments or the yellow chickens doing illegal actions and disrespecting everyone? Where is the fucking German police to send these bastards back to Turkey? So please , it is you that should grow up, who do you think you are to enter the arena without ticket? Can you imagine what will happen in the game with hundreds of people being there illegally?

  • @KahvehaneFutbol
    @KahvehaneFutbol หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even though he admitted that his players were doping, he can still coach a team because it cannot be proven. This is how people react when reminded of this. The truth is painful.

  • @allegro7690
    @allegro7690 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    as u see he swearing first than complaining about fenerbahce fans swearing.. Clown Ataman

  • @gungorbanatl6968
    @gungorbanatl6968 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    F E N E R B A H Ç E ❤❤❤

  • @shibumi7127
    @shibumi7127 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Gergin Ataman;)

  • @Ponhrhpordh
    @Ponhrhpordh หลายเดือนก่อน

    10:10 do we have the link?

  • @Biodyn3758
    @Biodyn3758 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ataman sweared at fans..he is a phenomanon for the wrong reasons…

  • @johnchristou3965
    @johnchristou3965 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    all I want to say is this:
    ATAMAN and DPGs Panathinaikos are the PERFECT MATCH
    attention seekers.. poor losers.. SOULMATES!

    • @getonthetrain2909
      @getonthetrain2909 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Your fanatism blinds you totally.
      DPG has commended Oly many times for being better and win a game or title. Your coach and presidents NEVER.
      DPG has his team attend the Oly Greek Cup award in court, you have not and will NEVER do.
      DPG has in the lounge if new OAKA the Olympiakos jersey framed in the wall for everyone to see (Papanikolaou's). Thats sth you will NEVER do.
      Being Oly fan with that coach and presidents (who also officially cursed on Real and Fener after losing to them) and have the nerve to call DPG a poor looser is prettty pathetic.

  • @dziuse
    @dziuse หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What a great video guys , much love 🫡

  • @thespartanscorpion2752
    @thespartanscorpion2752 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Euroleague really NEED to Organize a Final 4 at Piraeus.
    Everybody is Hooligan... until a Final 4, took place at Peace & Friendship Stadium.

  • @alxn
    @alxn หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just saw pao got lost to fener already

  • @ahmetozcan1426
    @ahmetozcan1426 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It shouldn't be hard to understand that he exaggerates on purpose, it's his way of getting motivation. These things feed Ataman, let alone break him.

  • @nickvandoros2325
    @nickvandoros2325 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Panathinaikos being Panathinaikos, nothing unusual to see here.

    • @menelaos_chr
      @menelaos_chr หลายเดือนก่อน

      ετσι γαυρε τιμα τη φανελα σου σηκωνοντας τη σημαια της τουρκιας

    • @kossttass
      @kossttass หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Aytoi se gamane mwri gavrielaaaaaaa mouu

  • @Trapligo
    @Trapligo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:43

  • @ad66614
    @ad66614 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ataman jumped on the hook, literally if he kept walking it wouldnt get this big. Ataman started cursing first. How professional

  • @mirsadshakjiri9826
    @mirsadshakjiri9826 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bu adanlm nekadar da gergin, bosuna ona Gergin Ataman demiyorlar😊

  • @1907FENERBAHCESK
    @1907FENERBAHCESK หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ataman has swear to Us ..He needs therapy ..We will give tomorrow 💛💙

  • @Ntagk41
    @Ntagk41 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For all the Starters fans 2.09 Leigh Ellis casually chilling in the backround.

  • @janniside5128
    @janniside5128 หลายเดือนก่อน

    not enough that it is panathinaikos vs fenerbahce, greece vs turkey, it is also that attaman is panathinaikos coach what a clash this will be

  • @MolonLabe-cj8yo
    @MolonLabe-cj8yo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pao is the best Fouk fener

  • @AC-qj4hi
    @AC-qj4hi หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ergin hocam gene elinize verdi cikcikler. gfb europe muş hahahahah

  • @Sirius-Voyager
    @Sirius-Voyager หลายเดือนก่อน

    Because Ataman is Galatasaray fan in Türkiye also he was a Galatasaray coach.

  • @arifturgan
    @arifturgan หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How will ataman enter to turkey after this ?

    • @Waradmiral238
      @Waradmiral238 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he's turkish coach of course he will. 30 million galatasary fans with him.

  • @PeterSmith-vn6zk
    @PeterSmith-vn6zk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Those police officers look like sharia.

  • @user-sd2cz8fk2u
    @user-sd2cz8fk2u หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this game.

  • @tolganiyazi7715
    @tolganiyazi7715 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The crazy fact is what was ataman doing in the hotel lobby i mean there are kids family and women there to get autogramm from the Fenerbahçe player and he what are you doıing here get them out his was like this in anadolu efes he is a show man we all know why he did that to motivate de players more Everything what he does is w a plan in the background

  • @mike.c.h.r.
    @mike.c.h.r. หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tell them Konstantinos Tzolakis

  • @ergindemir7366
    @ergindemir7366 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:51 grandfather in the house.

    • @omerozduman8801
      @omerozduman8801 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

    • @Jayjay1907_
      @Jayjay1907_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bir sen birde o gergin masonlar

  • @user-jk7yc2ns1i
    @user-jk7yc2ns1i หลายเดือนก่อน

    People ATTTACK me !!! LOL

  • @dreamsek4280
    @dreamsek4280 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Im panathinaikos fan but i think Ataman overreacted 😂 i mean feners fan just singing some chants not cursing or attacking to him he just wanted the beef relax dude.

  • @orbcfdi
    @orbcfdi หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    nobody attacks you drama queen?

  • @wangnan-dl9gg
    @wangnan-dl9gg หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just a few fans screaming outside hotel can let another team head coach feels so angry I have never seen like that

  • @ossifrankfurt8876
    @ossifrankfurt8876 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keep cool... it's just a game 😂

  • @nemutluturkumdiyene2948
    @nemutluturkumdiyene2948 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ergin Ataman is showman. Very clear at the video. Firat, Ergin Ataman said the supporter bad word "fuck off". And he is especially did not go inside hotel as other Greek players or stuff did. Watch 05:02. Eurolegue is right to say him he is negative for Euroleague. And Ergin said Euroleague is f.cking organization. Euroleague must give fine to Ergin.

    • @user-nd1cl9pv2t
      @user-nd1cl9pv2t หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would like to see if were also 10-15 fans of Panathinaikos what would happen...

  • @dogaeroktay6221
    @dogaeroktay6221 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1 . He sweared at Holigans first,then they responded
    2. He said they attacked me which is a big lie
    3. Lets go back to Athens??😂Serious?
    Good coach but he is a clown.LOw personality.Thats why Fener fans will never like him

  • @beegnutz
    @beegnutz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ataman should have started chanting and stamping along with them and just had a laugh with it. Turkish fans are entertaining 😂

  • @ap2335
    @ap2335 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Make the “50 shirt” yellow colours man. #yellowlegacy

  • @BalamirOfHailandur
    @BalamirOfHailandur หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ergin Ergenler kadar Gergin :D

  • @procrustes7669
    @procrustes7669 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where DPG to steal the show hahahaa

  • @burakculhaci9882
    @burakculhaci9882 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    punish to me diil koç, to eki gelmez punish'in yanına...

    • @alperakar651
      @alperakar651 หลายเดือนก่อน

      puhahahahahhaha tam """bir diego dur allahını seversen zaten ortalık karışık"""" durumu
      ya bu adamı yanlış kullanıyoruz. hem bize meze sunuyo... kaos adrenalin vs, hem de zehirli pis enerjisiyle geçtiği yerde büyük bir açıklık oluşuyo ve insanlar arkasından "allahın değişine bak aha aha" diyerek kaynaşıyolar birbirleriye tanışıyorlar falan... hani aslında bir nevi ortak düşman... basketbola biraz yabancı tabii böyle karakterler. o yüzden bu şaşkınlık sonrası sempatik bir... nasıl diyeyim.... hani çok çatlak bir hoca vardır saçmalar durur derste, gittikten sonra herkese 1 aylık eğlence çıkar, öğrenciler kaynaşır falan, zaman içinde de o hocayı tanıyıp yüz göz olmadan işlerini hallederler. hah! biz işte bu adamın sunduğu eğlenceyi kullanacağız, böyle buralarda yunanı türkü ispanyolu kaynaşacağız, ama yeri gelince de, sırtı dönük hücum yaparken ergin bize karşı, gövde temasını bir anda keseceğiz (sandalyeyi çekme hareketi) bu adam böyle yıkıldığıyla kalacak. maç başladı diyelim, bir iki ergine laf at... sonra maç boyu, atıyorum 38 dakika!!! taraftar adamı görmeyecek duymayacak. delirir adam. daha da keyifli olur hem.

  • @gorqoart8358
    @gorqoart8358 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Shame on you Ataman. Drama Quenn

  • @ozankaraca9119
    @ozankaraca9119 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ergin ataman such a drama queen

  • @Leon4ever
    @Leon4ever หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is not Fenerbahce's first final4, this is the 6th. Have you ever seen any scene this before? It's not about Fenerbahce or Pana. The problem is that clown. He's a manipulator, and a big liar. No one attacked him. He swore the fans and they replied. They were very far from the entrance. He was getting inside the hotel but he changed his mind, probably he thought he can use this situation to get an advantage for his team, and came outside and walked to the fans direction. Fans came closer after that. We remember what he did against maccabi. he was loosing the series and he created an argument about the refs etc. When he cant find a solution on the court to beat his opponents he use this tactic every time. He has zero sportsmanship.

    • @SpartanLeonidas1821
      @SpartanLeonidas1821 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why were they chanting istanbul to ataman? 🤔
      Anyways, they ate their kebab now & went back home to their small apartment close by 👌🏻

  • @ufukgokpnar9859
    @ufukgokpnar9859 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    WE ARE FENERBAHÇE…😜

  • @Isitlupus66
    @Isitlupus66 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guys, didnt you understand why we always say Ergin Ataman is Gergin Ataman? It means Nervous Ataman 😂😂

  • @LukasKrikscionaitis
    @LukasKrikscionaitis หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ergin "The Content" Ataman

  • @hemiintirol
    @hemiintirol หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The most hated man in Turkey after Erdodan => Ergin Ataman

    • @Waradmiral238
      @Waradmiral238 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah. 30 million galatasaray fans love ergin ataman.

    • @alperakar651
      @alperakar651 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Waradmiral238 and they do love erdogan

  • @burcinbey1309
    @burcinbey1309 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nervous Ataman😅

  • @lngj13
    @lngj13 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    When Gate 13 comes there, you will wish that you hadn't done all that...

    • @mehmetakiferkesim8444
      @mehmetakiferkesim8444 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      😂😂😂

    • @kossttass
      @kossttass หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mehmetakiferkesim8444 laugh now because you'll cry tomorrow

  • @TaylanAkaln
    @TaylanAkaln หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    İlk küfürler koç Ataman'dan geldi,buna rağmen Fenerbahçe taratarları Ataman'a kişisel küfür etmedi... Koç kendi kendini rezil etti.. Ataman Fenerbahçe düşmanlığına ara vermiyor... her sözü blöf , saygınlığı sıfır 👎