Classical Composer Reacts to Yours Is An Empty Hope (Nightwish) | The Daily Doug (Episode 150)
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In this edition of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to a live recording of @nightwish performing their song Yours Is An Empty Hope. It's been too long since I included a Nightwish song on the channel, and they really rocked my socks off on this tune.
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Doug, I can’t thank you enough for putting me onto Nightwish. When I saw your post a few months ago for “Ghost Love Score”, like you I had never heard of Nightwish. I thought I heard you say they were requested by viewers just as much as Iron Maiden. I thought “really?” Now I know why. I can’t stop listening to them. Thank you for introducing them to me!
I discovered Nightwish back in the late 2000s & just kind of stopped listening to them gradually. Rediscovered them & have to say that I've missed out - one of the best bands ever with Floor on lead vocals. Greatest Show on Earth is the greatest song on earth IMO. =)
same thing happened to me, metal fun since 80 but i missed nightwish and Ayreon...thank you so much, they are both so rare, rich and beautiful musically, really another dimension of music
We welcome you Todd!
The more we are that appreciate this magnificent band, the better the world will become.
Much love to you Todd!
Maiden themselves especially Steve Harris have publicly stated they are massive fans of Nightwish.
@@TailgunnerATC you know you are doing well when someone like him praises your work right?
It surprised me that he said Annette fit better in the band than Tarja... I wonder what he thinks about Floor now
All the growls are Floor on every chorus with Marco singing the clean notes.
Floor is the one growling "yours is an empty hope" while Marco sings it
Exactly 🤭, was waiting for his jaw to drop the moment hé realised floor was doing the growl and Marco was doing the main, but Doug apparently missed it. "Floor was a little pitchy" 🤣
At 5:07 you had a look on your face like there was a sound you could not quite pick! It was Floor’s growl!
I think he was to focussed on the cords. Watch it again and focus on her growls, now that you allready know! Well, that's my humble advise :D
I cant watch reactions to this song anymore ....its become annoying that 99% of them dont hear it and thats probably the main reason its requested .
@@silverblack5475 Weird reason to ask Doug to do it, though. He's not a singer or vocal coach. He's a composer and professor of music. His reviews are always from a composition and music theory perspective.
If people want reactors to react to the vocals specifically, they should watch reactors who do that. Doug is not.
FYI Floor was not pitchy at the end, she is growling during all the choruses, including the end also, which is not pitch driven, but more using dynamics, if I am not mistaken.
yeah it is actually Marco that gets a bit pitchy as he overdid the drive a little!!
I can’t believe all the notes he got, yet I don’t think he heard Floor doing those magnificent growls.
Next time you do Nightwish you must do Shoemaker!
Damn youtube. Why only one like is possible? 🤣🤣🤣
Ohhh, yes!
But also Music! Since he’s a musician and is good at looking over the lyrics - he would get a kick out of a song, written “by music” as an ode to humanity :D
Absolutely!!!!
Yes!!!
Yep, floor is the growler. Couldn't believe it at first. So versatile.
02:51 Musically telling someone to F off is Nightwish’s Bye Bye Beautiful. or Master, Passion, Greed. Tarja answers Toumas with Enough and I Walk Alone. 😬😬 That all turned bitter QUICK.
💙💙💙All Hail Floor !! 💙💙💙
Infantryman-Nightwish Army. US Regiment. Kentucky Battalion
Nightwish was definitely a band that I'd meant to listen to for a long time, literally over a decade, but it wasn't until Doug's videos that I finally started listening to them. Thanks, Doug!
Still keeping my fingers crossed for some Transatlantic or Spock's Beard. Love the older prog rock reactions, but there's more modern prog rock too!
Yes, many people that watched this version just seem to believe it is Marko growling during the chorus, Marko does the clean vocals during the chorus, Floor does the growling, and that loud bear growl at the end, Floor. A better version to see and hear it more clearly is at Wembley on this song. Just another thing the Queen can do. Nice reaction.
Again I love your explanations about the technicalities and chords, gives a totally different approach from the voice coach reactions who were all quite flabbergasted about the fact that it's Floor doing the growling here (and proving she can do that too), something you totally bypassed but that's not what I''m looking for in your reactions. Subscribed!
I'm not as well-versed in vocal technique as I am in harmonic analysis...so I try to stay in my lane. Thanks.
@@Doug.Helvering that's why we listen to you Doug. If I want to learn about Floors growling technique I watch the charismatic voice. I watch you to learn about Thomas's clever composing.
Keep doing what you do.
@@Doug.Helvering you would have had a good time back in mid 2000 when the european goth metal scene was big and the guys/girls ratio was 1 to 1. (And pretty ones!)
@@agustinalessioLike Tristania, Theatre of Tragedy or Therion? Good times! Pretty sure I am forgetting something here, but that is ok because I am an old...
@@franshinlopen2166 You're forgotting Draconian (the most representative band of the scene today) and Virgin Black (they had their peak around that time). Oh! And The Gathering.
Doug, you're a great guy. Cheers from Brazil!
Nice one as usual Doug. Always happy to see you cover and enjoy one of my go-to bands.
The next Nightwish song I'd like to see is Song of Myself :)
WERD!
Congratulations! and thanks for sharing! you concentrated on the music AND THE MEANING of the song and the lyrics. Refreshing as usual. Keep up your good work!
It's too loud, I'm trying to sleep... 💤😴💤😴💤 Hilarious Doug! 🤣🤣🤣
Doug, as someone has mentioned, I think, that Floor is the one who is growling. What a range she has.
Yeah, I’d love for him to address this in his next NW video - it must change his impressions of parts of the song, knowing that Floor did the growling
@@oolillemyoo4099 Wembley version?
Doug, you are the best. Thanks for reacting / teaching with so much entertainment.
I'm addicted to watching Dr Doug reacting to Nightwish
Doug thank you so much for giving us your music wisdom. your students are very lucky!
LoL Floor was doing all the Growling and Marco singing the whole time. ;)
Maybe check out the Wembley version to see & hear it better.
Also, this was a "Nightwish Cruise" - only Nightwish fans & staff were aboard as far as I know.
I have listened to this song so many times and your analysis of the lyrics never occurred to me to apply it to the internet. Fits. Thank you.
This was a special cruise for Nightwish and their fans, no other passengers on board...
Yes! At last Nightwish again! Awsome analysis once again Doug. Shoemaker would be a very intresting analysis for the next Nightwish reaction
Haha that growling was Floor all along😁
Next "Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean" from Buenos Aires 2018🤘🏻
Nightwish Navy ship M/S Baltic Princess, 212 m long and 29 m wide. There is 12 floors (that night 13). Baltic Princess cruising Baltic Sea from Turku (Finland) to Stocholm (Sweden).
HA! I caught that.
I hope Doug releases a comprehensive music theory education course. It would be great to learn music from him.
I would pay for that
@@dac2007 I would pay double that
Sign me in
I was waiting for Doug to notice it was Floor growling the whole time too! Figured it be a jaw dropping moment lol.
"Those darned whipper snappers listening to the rock music are disrupting my afternoon nap!" - Old person on Nightwish Cruise
Alpenglow done live. =)
This is Tuomas' and Nightwish's f@#k off response to all the keyboard warriors and social media trolls that were on their case at some point (or always be...). Brilliant. The lyrics are spot on.
It is Floor at the end, the only growling has been done the whole song by Floor.
Please react to Van Der Graaf Generator- A plague of the lighthouse keepers. Every second of this song is fantastic. A pure prog rock classic
That's something for Progressive Rock Friday. ;-)
What a cruise! I was there 🤘🤘
Wembley version Floor's growls are more audible.
and you can see it much better.
I think it's a combination of the mix (it's a little muddy) and the fact singing on a slightly unstable, gyrostabilised platform isn't as easy as one might expect.
@@rog2224 Shes Floor... She can do anything;-) its the terrible audio and video quality.
@@paulriddle7818 The audio quality is fine, it's down to the audio equipment you're listening with. Using my cheap decade old headphones, it's difficult, stream it on the much newer tv, hear it clear as day.
Doug you totally missed it. Floor was growling on your is a empty hope part all the way through & it was her at the end , maybe re listen to it
Happy to see another Nightwish reaction!
I am waiting for Doug to deconstruct masterpieces like Poet and the Pendulum, Dead Boy's Poem, Wishmaster, Meadows of Heaven, and some others... I'm sure those compositions are right on his alley.
Poet and the Pendulum is already on the channel. Thanks.
Please do Haggard - Eppur si Muove this is a real classic orchestra with metal elements
+1
+1
Most underrated band ever
Haggard is a great experience. Named after King Haggard from The Last Unicorn.
Totally agree!!
Hardest Nightwish song I know so far. I think you missed it, it's actually Floor doing the growls on the chorus while Marko does the clean singing, showing she's really a versatile singer.
May I suggest more Nightwish, Epica or try Within Temptation next?
Doug really dug it. 🤣 Big Nightwish fan here so thanks for that.
This was a special Nightwish fan cruise done for the release of their album. If you watch the documentary clips they posted about the release of the “Endless forms most beautiful” album, you will find one clip that gives some background information about the cruise. There also exist videos of an unplugged performance they did on that cruise.
Nightwish only three US cities in 2021 Lowell, MA 10-7-2021 Tickets on sale now! Well worth the hike, drive, or flight!
"OK, I hear Marco growling, but Floor? Is this the show when she was sick?" - confused Doug
Problem with being a retired old git is I've missed some good stuff over the years. First time I've seen/heard this group. They're good, thx for the intro :) . Got another prog rock for you to check out, Caravan - L' Auberge du Sanglier
Go down the Nightwish rabbit hole. You wont regret it!
Epica - Consign to Oblivion - If you like this, you'll love that. And I just discovered it a couple weeks ago! Then there's also Ancient Bards - Through my Veins... another great song.
Well, there's some Therion, Haggard, Draconian, (the greek) Luna Obscura, Stream Of Passion, Within Temptation for you, just to name a few ;)
Then of course you can go on with The Gathering (Anneke era), Saturnus, Paradise Lost, Anathema, and why not? Ne Obliviscaris, Cradle Of Filth, Dimmu Borgir... Doug is barely touching the surface of the iceberg...
Deter the Tyrant too
Hopefully you see this comment. Thanks to your reactions, I was able to learn from my playing how and when I use certain chords. And teach that knowledge onwards. The breakdown of what key and what chords are used is really really insightful.
You have a great appreciation for so many varieties of music. Love the idea of the old people on a cruise not quite appreciating the heavy metal cabaret. I'm sure they did. And, as Empuu and Marko suggest, the old people can't quite keep time with their clapping. It's the Sanatogen kicking in combined with the need for the toilet.
This was a Nightwish cruise, so if any oldies on it, they were fans.
@@k.l.7788 Absolutely, but I prefer to think of old people on a cruise expecting a dinner and dance cabaret and getting Nightwish instead.
Doug is so cool The Sun Shines on him 24 hours a day
Congrats, this is the second band you've gotten me into. And I saw y'all saying that Floor was growling, but to actually hear how guttural it is is honestly *impressive.*
Doug, I would suggest some Blind Guardian. And Then There Was Silence or The Ninth Wave would be nice starters.
Yeah, I think he'd really like And Then There Was Silence. There's a lot to dissect there.
First of all I would like to thank you for your channel 🤘👍consider yourself as a part of the Nightwish family. Two song I would like you to react to is: "Dark chest of wonders" and "Last ride of the day". 🤘
Best wishes and greetings from Norway.
Listen to this same song live in Mexico City & live at Wembley!
Ya all, Doug didn't even noticed Floor growled almost the entire song.
I saw that and laughed... I didn't think he would catch it - after all, he has a different focus...
@@horscategorie That´s what I thought. He is not a vocal coach. :)
@@zvolencan1 I'm a bass player and I noticed it right way, I think he should be able to do it ;) But as many say the Wembley arena video is better
He was busy repeating the lyrics ...think he forgot pause was a thing.
Hey Doug, I'm almost one of those 'Old People'. See me in the care home in a few years (along with a lot of your other fans here) going 'Turn it up!' and rocking our zimmer frames. It'll be the young staff going 'Hey dudes, turn it down, we're trying to sleep!' :D.
THe virtual NW show was amazing. From what i understand Kai Hahto the drummer asked on his FB if they should release it on DVD. Obviously everybody that saw the @ shows said yes... like me.. So expect it in 6 months. They might even release 1 or 2 before then. Like Noise or Shoemaker from the new album.
I dig your knowledge of chords, makes things easier for me to tinker Nightwish on my guitar.
This is so fun, This Doug really is a notes type. He doesn't hear the vocal coach stuff, which is cute. A professor with humility is always cool, my teachers in college were quite arrogant.
hi, former cruise ship worker here.
yes, nowadays vessels are scarily huge, they have big stage for this kind of shows.
hahaha "I dug it!" Pun intended? Nice reaction on the composition and lyrics. But too bad you missed the fact that Floor is doing the growling and Marko does the clean singing on "Yours is an empty hope" Nightwish Army always enjoys the shaken reactors when they notice...
Thank you, Doug! Been listening to Nightwish for the last 20 years and still enjoying a lot their music!
What do you think about Two Steps From Hell and Thomas Bergersen compositions? :)
Maybe some reaction to a recording session with Capellen Orchestra and Choir next time?
People are constantly missing that it's Floor doing the growls. I found if you watch her mouth when she does it you can tell. Some can tell near the end or on the last Empty Hope.
Thank you from another Nightwish fan. I was trying to think of what song you would like best to listen to next, and I think "Sleeping Sun" is one of their most beautiful, and has a very interesting melodic tone I would like to know more about. Also, this is the Nightwish song people most commonly recommend for those who wish to hear something from their previous lead singer, Tarja.
And since you enjoy well-crafted lyrics it is very strong on that as well. Here are the lyrics from the song as an example -- very beautiful stuff:
The sun is sleeping quietly
Once upon a century
Wistful oceans calm and red
Ardent caresses laid to rest
For my dreams I hold my life
For wishes I behold my night
The truth at the end of time
Losing faith makes a crime
I wish for this night-time
To last for a lifetime
The darkness around me
Shores of a solar sea
Oh how I wish to go down with the sun
Sleeping
Weeping
With you
Sorrow has a human heart
From my god it will depart
I'd sail before a thousand moons
Never finding where to go
Two hundred twenty-two days of light
Will be desired by a night
A moment for the poet's play
Until there's nothing left to say
I wish for this night-time
To last for a lifetime
The darkness around me
Shores of a solar sea
Oh how I wish to go down with the sun
Sleeping
Weeping
With you
Sung either by Tarja or Floor the effect is really "Aphoria"-like. I would accept the results of a poll on which version; or whatever you decide.
P.S. I have noticed that it was part of their "Virtual Concert" that you mentioned; the setlist also says that "this is the first time performed since 2016". But like you said we will have to wait for the video to come out on this one.
My first experience of Nightwish was the instrumental, "Last of the Wilds", which I still adore. Great band!
Please check out Sons of Winter and Stars by Wintersun, would love to hear your thoughts on something with slightly harsher vocals but very symphonic!
I was about to suggest Wintersun Time!!
"I really Doug it" haha Great little analysis - thank you!
I don't think there be a lot of people complaining on this "metal" cruise ship😁🤘
Was about to say the same - it wasn’t just a cruise with NW as performers, but a designated “NW Cruise” ;)
Only the cool grandmas and grandads were on that cruise, lol!
Love to see you do some stuff from Floor's previous bands Revamp and After Forever
Huge Nightwish fan. On another note (pun intended), listen to the 2011 performance of Havergal Brian's Gothic symphony. Greatest concert I ever went to.
How to tell someone to F off musically? Listen to Nightwish's song "Master Passion Greed".
There are metal cruises known as 70000 tonnes of metal and they usually have great line-ups from what I've seen. Kiss used to do a cruise too but not sure they still would now at the end of their career
Howdy! Recently found your channel and have been enjoying your first takes, especially 'Supper's Ready' and 'Tarkus'. Would love to see your impression of the music of Gentle Giant. Start with anything from Octopus; 'Knots' would be a good one or the opener, 'The Advent of Panurge'. Take care!
Shoemaker by Nightwish is a must!
.... Awesome
Manowar-Heart of steel (with orchestra or not)
Lol, seen for years announcements of prog cruises in Gulf of Mexico, with bands like Yes and other great artists ... maybe when I win a lottery :-)
Just found your reaction vids! Nice to have the reaction from a composers pov :) I adore nightwish, they are a world apart from most. Ps.. The live virtual shows were nothing short of spectacular!! ♥️
Also check out Beast in Black if you get the chance ;)
This was a Nightwish cruise and was really neat - the concert was the main draw and the cruise was included in the ticket price. No geriatric cases there for a nap on this ship.
I think NW does these kinds of social commentary pieces so well. "Noise" is another great example - particularly the music video; everything and anything wrong about the internet and social media was fair game with the band members in full costume playing to the lyrics which started out on the subject of cell phones with "you've become a tool of a tool". Marko plugging junk supplements and male enhancement pills, a really cute model taking selfies of everything and anything, including her own butt at one point. It was the lead off song at their virtual concert but if you choose to react to it you should go with the lyric video - it's just so well done and adds so much to the narrative.
"a really cute model taking selfies of everything and anything, including her own butt at one point" Yeah, she is beautiful and the song/video is great.
I was on this cruise too. It was amazing!
Thank you for not forgetting the army!
#wewerehere
Great video as usual, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention that Floor was doing the growling on this one!
"Have a Coke and a smile..." that was from Eddie Murphy.
And STFU. (Eddie Murphy doing Richard Pryor telling him what to say to Bill Cosby) 😁🤣
yeah...I've used that for years...it's a great way to swear without swearing.
Thanks so much Doug!!! Athena -a new religion?
A great reaction video, Doug; however, I think you'll like the Live at Wembley version much better. It's got the stage, pyrotechnics, and much better sound. Plus, you can better hear Floor's growling underneath Marco's vocals on the chorus. Cheers!
Let me explain why you have to hear A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers from Van der Graaf Generator. It is a long song (23 minutes) ideal for a friday hearing. It has a very intriguing lyrics with an open end. It got 4 months to record and because of this was considered impossible to perform live. Robert Fripp (the guitar player wearing glasses from King Crimson) plays in 2 sections of the piece. VdGG is formed by a keyboard player, a singer, a saxofone/flute player, and a drummer. Finally, the singer Peter Hammill is one of the influences of Bruce Dickinson and Fripp considers him the vocal´s Jimmy Hendrix. What are you waiting to hear this piece?
This is them perhaps in their most Pantera-ish influenced. Pantera was and is known for its groovy, powerful driving riffs.
I think what people like you and Rick do is the future of teaching.
I know that there are many who prefer this version, but I just feel like Floor's growls are clearer in Wembley. The guitar tone is also much better imo.
I think you reacting to Polyphia GOAT or OD would be one of the most interesting things I can imagine.
You are my new favorite reaction video guy! Would love to see your reaction to Jason Becker Perpetual Burn album especially Altitudes or Eleven Blue Egyptians, I feel you'd be thankful you did!!!
Doug, you really need to analyze the song Tribal from the new album. If nothing else, we'd like to see you do the skeleton dance! 😱
Next time do Shoemaker (Nightwish) its amazing
I love the cruise version. The only way I would ever go on another cruise is if it were NW cruise lol
Marko and Floor "switched" vocals, where Marko does the singing and Floor the growls. "Normally" you would expect the reverse.
This is a brilliant way to show that reality and perception can deceive you. Something that happens a LOT on the internet.
I've learned to enjoy the hate mail that I get. It makes my day to rile people up so.
London philharmonic does their backing tracks. They have a video on it. That was Floor growling the entire song..
You mentioned Troy Donockley (I think!). He's also performed as part of groups like Iona, Magenta, and Kompendium (among others). So if you run out of other groups to listen to, there's a few more you might want to try out. 🙂
React to some Luca Turilli's Rhapsody. Notturno is based off a Chopin Nocturne. Or react to Swan Lake from Dark Moor (obviously a Vivaldi cover)
Man, the original Rhapsody albums got a bunch of heavy play when I was back in college. I had fallen off of prog/metal stuff by the time the band went two separate ways, but it would be neat to see what happened to them.
Ben Allen I like every version of the band. Definitely check out all of them. Luca Turilli’s Rhapsody is great, I highly recommend to listen to the live album. Rhapsody of Fire with the new young singer started out weak but The Eight Mountains album is great. The newest Turilli/Lione Rhapsody isn’t fantasy themed power metal, it’s a different beast than the other versions. However they still make great music.
@@ajtatosmano2 Thanks for the recommendation!
I would suggest the original album version of _"Land of Immortals"_ or _"Rage of the Winter"._
Let me suggest also the studio version of “symphony of enchanted lands “. It’s one of their best in my opinion
Doug, I highly reccomend that you check out Jason Becker - Altitudes. It's a very emotional, technical and melodically interesting piece.
Jason Becker is something Doug should check for sure....and he'll get as addicted to his music as he did with Nightwish
YES
Top tier this channel. Where’s Wintersun - Time?
Regarding the Cruise Ship... Cruise Ships are BIG. And, they often have fairly large theaters contained in them. However, I think in this case, the venue was actually the top deck (the so called "pool deck") of the cruise ship.
There are a lot of cruises which are geared towards music now, so you should seek one out. It can be an amazing experience. (I personally survived the very first 70,000 Tons of Metal Cruise).
Speaking of that cruise... You may be interested in another Classically inspired group who I saw on that cruise, Epica. And, on a different classical tangent, Therion. I think those two groups would be very interesting to you.
Well Doug, you are not the first professional to miss Floor's growling..lol.
They camouflaged it brilliantly.
You should do, Revamp with Floor, the song Disdain. 😎😎😎😎😁
You should check out an Australian metal band called Ne Obliviscaris. One of their songs, And Plague Flowers the Kaleidoscope, has been used by the Sydney Conservatorium of Music for composition analysis.
Always love your reaction videos, Doug! Please add the prog group Gentle Giant to your list. I believe them to be one of the most underrated bands ever. They are all multi-instrumentalists and their music is unique! Hard to recommend a song since they are all so good. Maybe try Free Hand? Thanks!
love free hand. but funny ways from playing the fool is spectacular imho.
@@dougmphilly Yes, it is! There are so many great songs it would be difficult to choose just one!
Totally misses that Floor is growling while Marco sings...