Group of order 36 is not simple

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    . Upasana Pahuja Taneja
    Mathematics for graduation, post graduation, NET, iit jam, Gate
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    In this video you Will how to prove a group is not simple .
    you Will learn about counting of p-ssg.
    I have tried my best to clear concept for you. If you like then please like share and subscribe my channel.
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  • @mayuritambat5793
    @mayuritambat5793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This presentation is Very useful to understand this simple group concept .Thank you mam

  • @gunasundariguna6733
    @gunasundariguna6733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mam first Time I am watching this video I don't understood but 2nd time see this video super mam

  • @user-yd5dx5hw4x
    @user-yd5dx5hw4x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    result:Group of order 36 is not simple is correct.
    The prove is wrong at 04:56 by saying there are 32 (distinct) non identity elements in K1,K2,K3,K4 combined is asuming K1,2,3,4 to be trivially intersected. Which might not be true. Ki intersect Kj can be 3.

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    @monikakumari-zh9jj ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @fagun3381
    @fagun3381 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    suppose that g is a group of order p^nm , where p is prime and p doesn't divide m. show that the number of sylow p-subgroups divides m

  • @abhasharma8995
    @abhasharma8995 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanku ma'am

  • @mathzone4893
    @mathzone4893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    Thanks mam

  • @gunasundariguna6733
    @gunasundariguna6733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    @anitharathod5563 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @themathguy3149
    @themathguy3149 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:46 NEIN NEIN NEIN. Thanks! you helped me a lot

  • @mathsbell6863
    @mathsbell6863 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thankyou ma'am

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    @srijanclasses84 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @gunasundariguna6733
    @gunasundariguna6733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @archana.mishra
    @archana.mishra 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @harrypotter-ku4lf
    @harrypotter-ku4lf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2-SSG and 3-SSG don't have prime orders. Therefore we can't expect to have intersection trivial. How did you conclude that elements are greater than the order of G ?

    • @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707
      @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please watch this...In this i have explained in detail...hopefully you Will get it
      th-cam.com/video/oI2zcwkgVxg/w-d-xo.html

    • @harrypotter-ku4lf
      @harrypotter-ku4lf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dr.upasanapahujataneja1707 I watched your other video and I see the same issue in that video as well. For example, when you are considering last case: n2 = 7 and n7 = 8. Note that for 2--SSG order is not prime. therefore intersection might not be trivial. So you can't make an assumptions that total elements (identity common) are 1+49. This is only possible if intersection is trivial. Which is not the case with 2-ssg (Since order of 2-SSG is not prime). I think one can look at this way to simplify. Consider first n7 = 8, since order of 7-SSG is prime, therefore you have 48 elements. So 56 - 48 = 8 elements left. Since |G| = 56, this will only be possible with one unique 2-ssg. So we end up showing that there is a unique 2-ssg. Hence G is not simple even in the last case.

    • @user-yd5dx5hw4x
      @user-yd5dx5hw4x 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harrypotter-ku4lf for this group it is better to think about the size of intersection of two syl-p subgroups.

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    @aaaaaattttttt5596 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tyy

  • @esssajid1877
    @esssajid1877 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Order of a group is p^2 q^2 where both pq are prime, then it is so simple to call it not simple.

  • @annasam5553
    @annasam5553 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks a lot....

  • @thakurajaypratapsingh538
    @thakurajaypratapsingh538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome mamm

  • @andreeapopescu9195
    @andreeapopescu9195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This works only if the only common element of H1, H2, H3, respectively K1 K2 K2 K4 is 1. How do you know that?

    • @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707
      @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because identity element in a group is unique and identity of group and subgroup is same...

    • @andychen5417
      @andychen5417 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@dr.upasanapahujataneja1707 I think she is asking about the possibility that there may be some non-identity element g belong to H1 and K1 at the same time (here H1 and K1 are taken for the explanation without loss of generality).
      However, the answer is negative since the order of H1 and that of K1 are coprime to each other (4 and 9). To be more clearly, if there is some element g belong to H1 and K1 at the same time, we can make a cyclic group A generated by g, and note that A is also a subgroup of H1 and K1 simultaneously. By Lagrange's theorem, the order of A, o(A), must divide o(H1) and o(K1), but since gcd(o(H1), o(K1))=1, o(A)=1, and g must be the identity.

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    @rahulvishwakarma1157 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @_RiteshSharma
    @_RiteshSharma ปีที่แล้ว

    Group of order 36 will necessarily have a normal subgroup of order 4 ??

  • @narendrakumarsahoo3628
    @narendrakumarsahoo3628 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mam mujhe yeah galat lag raha app kese yeah bol sakte hen ki
    Wo sare group unique hai ?????????????????

  • @mathpi-rates9160
    @mathpi-rates9160 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well explained

  • @sohelahmed9353
    @sohelahmed9353 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ma'am , if H1 and H2 have common elements other than identity, then how can we approach ?

    • @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707
      @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They Will not have any element common other than identity as they are groups of prime order...

    • @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707
      @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any two groups of prime order are identical If they have any common element other than identity

    • @user-yd5dx5hw4x
      @user-yd5dx5hw4x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dr.upasanapahujataneja1707 the fact is they do not have prime order, by claiming H1 or H2 have prime order you are saying 4 is a prime number.

  • @naanungamulla6528
    @naanungamulla6528 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @riyasikdar1069
    @riyasikdar1069 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mam non abelian group of order 36 ka ek Example pls ap de sakte hoo plss

  • @ashwinirao7307
    @ashwinirao7307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mam please do the Vedio on show that any group of order 5 square seven square is abelian

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    @nishachohan3164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @ashwinirao7307
    @ashwinirao7307 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Meaning of ssg??

  • @deblinabanerjee7539
    @deblinabanerjee7539 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have did wrong process ma'am. Sorry to say but the subgroups may contains common non identity elements . So this counting is false .

  • @prathamhullamballi837
    @prathamhullamballi837 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This proof is wrong.
    2-SSG and 3-SSG do not have a trivial intersection given their orders aren't prime. Therefore, you saying that the number of elements are greater than order of G overlooks the fact that you have overcounted the overlapping terms.

    • @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707
      @dr.upasanapahujataneja1707  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/1kjSNUTydmk/w-d-xo.html
      Please watch this video
      I clarified here

    • @prathamhullamballi837
      @prathamhullamballi837 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dr.upasanapahujataneja1707 Yes, thank you. The video you sent went with the correct approach, yet this video doesn't follow that approach. The proof is still incorrect.