Unholy Alliance: Islam & The Left -- Anti-Israel Not Pro-Palestine
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- On today's #NCFNewspeak, NCF Director Peter Whittle & Senior Fellow Rafe Heydel-Mankoo & Dr. Philip Kiszely are joined by Amandeep Bhogal, co-Founder of the Global Britain Centre for a special programme dedicated to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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I am a total Anglophile, but rather than money, I help with language, as in, pro-BRIT, pro-royal, pro-freedom of speech, pro-tea culture, pro-white.
KristenP - English Defence League,🏴 E.D.L.,(quiet meets, off line, off phones, house runner's,) thousands of local!
I hope you have good security!
Isn't it telling how they all stopped caring altogether about the hospital bombing as soon as they found out it wasn't done by Israel? Disgusting.
Just shows they really do not care about the people of Gaza. They are frauds!
Woohoo up there sweetie, who says it wasn’t done by Israel. Guess the FACT that they have bombed every other hospital in Gaza, let alone UN schools ect ect has eluded you.
I said when khan became mayor of London it is giving out the wrong messages.
He should be removed in my opinion.
London is changing for the worst under his watch.
WHERES LONDON,IT USE TO BE IN ENGLAND ,RIGHT
The irony is they are using our democracy against us
Khan simply reflects the changes.
@@skadiwarrior2053what changes is that.
@@skadiwarrior2053he reflects an invasion
Two Sikhs know all too well the dangers we face. We should heed them .
@@TheChurlishBoor Not now - we are waking up . We need to mobilise now .
Sikhs have always been the defenders of freedom & peaceful coexistence & humane values & spiritual openness
@@TheChurlishBoor after hearing about grooming gangs and people who enjoy freedom of speech to say these evil and looking at the left (I dont even want to call them educated) from Harvard and oxford siding with them.why is Europe taking these radicals into your countries they dont want work,live off of social benefits, do crime, guys protect your country vote well.
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They have suffered under the same religious group in their own countries.
"Those who are not with me are against me." The government and mayor of London are not with me.
Nor the little man in Scotland .
@@mjones4083 HOPEFULLY THE CELTIC SUPPOTERS GIVE HOMES TO THE PALESTIAN REFUGES, AND DONT COMPLAIN WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN
And haven't been for decades.
Very few are ... mostly bigots.
Your forgetting Duckford in Wales he is lost in his own brain cell.
BBC needs to be closed down NOW.
@@tambinia7777 so we can have an Islamic National news channel instead.
I can't believe you people pay them 🤯
Stop paying the TV license
Brits, stop paying!
FFS, your government isn’t going to kick down your door to prove whether or not you have a TV. Just refuse.
Or restaffed with non-woke, non-leftist, non-antisemites.
Excellent. Not talking over each other but respectful and fair. Wish all discussions could be more like this.
“From the very beginning, the Bolsheviks were considering Muslims as the human resource for the world revolution.”
Former KGB lieutenant colonel Konstantin Preobrazhensky
And who were the bolsheviks
@@JordanMcCarthy-bh9tu Try looking up the USSR. In short: not the Mensheviks...
@@JordanMcCarthy-bh9tu Do you really not know or are you being facetious ?
@@JordanMcCarthy-bh9tu ✡️
some bros just don't know, but ironic considering the surname.@@megaduck7965
To much of the reporting on Palestine and Israel appears more about promoting an adverse emotional response in certain groups rather than honest, balanced reporting.
Never thought i would hear people openly advocating for genocide of a specific group of people on British streets, we have fallen so far.
'We' have not fallen, the country has been taken.
@@kitcat4512 I'm English but I recognise Jewry as the biggest threat to world peace. Many white English people who despise Islam also despise followers of the Talmud which is anti white anti Christian filth.
The specific group of people facing genocide is the Gazan Palestinians
@@Christian___You need to reexamine the definition of genocide, but first look up "gaslighting."
The British Government is the actual culprit for ALL the crimes committed against the Palestinians since Balfour issued his infamous racist declaration in 1917.
why are they supporting an ideology that will eventually come in a very sinister way for their children?
something they don’t consider in the short term
@@ecojom8104. Yes, But the main proponents of Multiculturalism Are, Guess who ? How bizarre do you want to be !
Don’t you think the West is starting to pay the price for all the evil things they’ve done around the world
What ideology, and whom are you referring to?
@@generic_handle_1I think he’s referring to ✡️ .
Amandeep Bhogal is a very rational & eloquent speaker - like him & agree with everything he said. Hope we see more of him.
Nice to see a Sikh on the panel, Sikhs are loyal to the King and Queen of this country and to the land and it’s people and have given their lives fighting for the British empire in the past. In this country antisemitism I believe is taken very lightly no one really takes it seriously especially in colleges or universities
Pm Modi is not very happy with the Shiks in the UK Canada....you are just using the Shiks for your own agenda
Says a Sikh. Most Sikhs fought for the uk because it gave them better prospects not because of any love for the uk. Alhamdulillah for Islam. Muslims will never bend the knee that's why all you haters hate. Love it! :-)
@Jrb-sb6koyour paulist religion is dead mate that's why.
Mr Aman Boghal Summed up The BBC 100% Correct ..I've Never heard it put so Perfectly !
Both groups want us gone , one intellectually and the other barbarically, popcorn time .
@@Darius-_"muh based jooos"
@@Darius-_ Nope .
@@Darius-_you would be surprised...
@@Darius-_ you sound like a spiteful mutant
@@gerula7456 Darius is probably on some terror watchlist
It is undeniable that the Israelis are held to a higher standard than the Palestinians. That expectation already tells us so much if we are being honest with ourselves.
On what planet do you live?
That's because they're a constituted Nation State..
@@christinapenson9476 Planet Truth .
i beg your pardon - the Israelis have been slaughtering Palestinans for about 75 years - stop sitting in your bubble and look at other views. All of you have lost the plot - our country was given away decades ago - the train left the station and all you do is cry and divide the population. I used to think like you but face reality - do you think all these immigrants are going to leave - no in about 30 years we will be one of many minorities - think about how you will realistically deal with that,.!
@@christinapenson9476 Planet reality
The alliance of the Islamic far right and the Marxist far left is one of the strangest marriages in human history
It also happened in post-WW2.
The Na... party and Zi... party
started alliance. What happen
today, is history repeats itself!
Islam and left are both collectivist and hate the West.
Thank you all for unbiased analysis.The BBC owes Israel and its viewers an apology and a revocation of its biased pro Hamas report.
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you thinks so? Works both ways
. Israel is owed an apology????.. your kidding???
@@jacksonfrenchii8080 , Palestinian Nakba
@@imemine6494 _"Israel is owed an apology????.. your kidding???"_
Hell yes, Israel is owed much more than an apology.
The BRITISH broadcasting corporation? Just an example of an oxymoron.
There is one big difference between Hamas etc and Israel. Israel is not trying to take over Britain. Muslims are. Can anyone think of an Islamic state as socially successful as was Britain?
Are you blind. Do you think the Muslims are heere agianst the wishes of the Regime, we have a Zionist Regime. It's that Regime that has imported and imposed mass immigration of this country for the last 7 Decades.
Nonsense
Israel took over Britain a long time ago my man. You have a lot to learn
@@GoIdenAppleIs that why the streets are full of baying pro Palestinians
@@GoIdenAppleeh?
Islam the religious sham
It's like an illiterate heard about Christianity and thought it could give him power if some tweaks were made like "DESTROY THE UNBELIEVERS" 🤮
Amandeep Bhogal is entirely right about the BBC not being in touch with the British people. The King, Prince and Princess of Wales all read the room, but not the BBC.
I don't understand the BBC's position. If parading a broken woman's r ed body on the streets is not terrorism, what is?
@@SongbirdstressThe BBC has a severe leftist infection. Leftists have no problem with terrorism if it's from a group they support. It's why they run propaganda like the "don't look back in anger" nonsense when the cult commits another atrocity.
I’d like to think you’re right and overall I think you just about are, but I would say on observation that most people in this country under 30 are fairly anti- Semitic. Islamic immigration and leftist indoctrination in schools are to blame.
@@Yawnyaman And I think Russia has a hand in inculcating these views (in a very underhand manner). People are being played. And some of them don't realise it.
@@angelajones4193 OH MY GOD,WHAT RUBBISH,WHATS RUSSIA GOT TO DO WITH THIS,FFS GET LOST WITRH THAT B/S
You can’t be for Muslims and the alphabet community at the same time.
Richard (edit- I meant Philip!) is absolutely calling out some very important points today. We see one ethnic minority group very keen to become councillors, MPs, Mayors of cities compared to other ethnic minority groups. And when they achieve it the bias towards their own brotherhood & heritage nation is certainly not hidden. The more power achieved (Khan and Humaz Scotland) the more outspoken and confident the demands. Richard is right, they absolutely enjoyed the power they had over each city on each march, no push back. Our future as a peaceful civilised homeland is in peril if we don’t apply our laws and assert our British cultural values.
I think you mean Philip. But yes, good comment. Thanks.
@@NewCultureForum oops sorry Philip.😍
Very good comment, too many Queslings in the West enabling it.
This is just the beginning. Net migration to remain unchanged at approx 600,000 per year + channel boats 100,000 per year.
The muslim population's rising exponentially. Germany's migrant population in 2022 was 15.3 million, around 1/5 of total. However, those migrants have had almost 5 million sprogs, or 1/4 of total population.
Europe, as we know it, will be gone forever in a few years time.
This has been the most appalling of weeks, dreadful.
The future of this country is looking dire indeed
Britain 🇬🇧 needs to do something about this it’s disgusting thank you for this coverage 👏👏👏👏👏❤️🇬🇧
Israel has, not so subtly, tried to reinvent the issue as religious or political.
Why do you think everything is racist?
The panel are saying exactly what I think.
Given the £ billions in Aid that has been poured into Gaza it should by now be a holiday hot spot, but that has not happened because of the Graft that is endemic there, only roughly 5% of any financial Aid sent to Gaza is actually spent on any project that favours the population of Gaza, the rest has disappeared into personal bank accounts of Hamas leadership and to provide Hamas with weapons.
Isreal would have clearly stayed very clear of the hospital for the exact reason that they did not want to have international distain brought down upon them. This was clearly NOT an air dropped munition. The damage I see in the images is nowhere near what a typical 500, 750, or 1000 lb. bomb would have caused. I know this for a fact. USAF Vietnam Vet. 77 YO.
Islam and the Left are two sides of the same coin. One side is political, the other religious.
Islam is political too, both groups are antichrist though.
And it is quite bizzare given Islam's attitudes towards woman's rights, civil liberties, freedom of speech and gays.
it's funny though, the left will drop Islam like a hot potato once Muslims complain about Gender ideology
It's not called WOKEISTAN for no reason. Obey my pronouns! 🤡
@@faeembrugh chickens for kfc , turkeys for Christmas queers for Palestine, ect ect
Imagine looking towards Greta for your geoploitical insights.
Indeed . A serial school truant no better educated than a ten year old .
Zoomers do. They see her as an intellectual giant.
Remember all those world leaders falling over themselves to indulge the fantasies of a Young delusional narcissist ?? Dear oh dear
A magnificent programme! This represents the best of the British Ideal: people from a multiplicity of backgrounds meeting as equals and countrymen to discuss the important matters of the day. Their discussion is frank, balanced and informed. Their distaste for bias in the media is as refreshing as their unabashed adherence to democratic principles. Their position is clear: there can be no seat at the table for those who defend acts of barbarism, and no excuse for the murder of innocents.
I agree entirely !
>the best of the British Ideal: people from a multiplicity of backgrounds meeting as equals..
So, you're a multiculturalist, then?
@@skymanifest8339 Could be talking about the class ?
I grew up loving Auntie Beeb, now distrust everything Big Brother BBC says.
Woke Welby seems to be very quiet on all of this.
demark opened there doors to hamas and instantly regretted it.
I refuse to pick a side, because no one is on our side. We are not even allowed to be on our own side.
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exactly. No one on our side. These people are prejudiced against one side
You pick the side fighting for their right to exist.
Exactly.
That's too true.
'the only true position is to defend your own people and not the causes of outgroups.'
The BBC only represent London views and London values in fact they have a London bias which includes an anti Israel prejudice. But there is a country outside London that doesn't share London values which is why so many viewers are deserting the BBC.
So grateful for your channel. It’s great. Such utterly superb guests. Rafe is always so articulate & intelligent.
If you disgusted with this few percentage of muslims then just consider how we Indian dealing with huge percentage of muslims. Remember that muslims and leftists are the same, just they acts and behave differently but their moto are same.
Don't forget to mention how you treat Dalits and Christians.
@@misterwho4633 Yup, what you were informed was a secondary source of information. Misguided or misinformed
@@misterwho4633 Beware listening to woke propoganda.
@Jrb-sb6ko In general in India the diversity, multiplicity, non linear nature and pluralism is off the chart. and people get along well together. Including most muslims.
What a clear, open minded chap Amandeep Bhogal is.
It would be marvellous if our so-called ‘MPs’ discussed matters in a similar manner to the panel, recognising us as citizens.
Sadly, an outrageous example of disinterest by so-called ‘parliament’ in us Britons, was exemplified by the paucity of attendance at Andrew Bridgen’s speech the other day, when he asked important questions pertinent to every single intelligent Briton.
Israel has gone too far.
@@AndyMann-vs3sfIsrael has not gone far enough!
@@williamholden9705 What should they do to satisfy you?
@@AndyMann-vs3sf Who are 'they' that you refer to.
We watch because your work is excellent, Peter. Many thanks.
Thank you for providing a space for intelligent dialogue in such a crazy world! It seems impossible here in the U.S..
We don't see enough of it here either!
@@angelajones4193We don’t see it here, we don’t see it there, we don’t see enough of it anywhere 😊. (Sth Pacific)
Open dialogue is happening on socalled conservative channels. Liberals are closed off from any discussions
If you are of European stock and/or if you are a Christian remember this weII, neither of the protagonists in this debacle care one jot about your continued existence
Absolutely.
Chief Rabbi supporting open borders.
Europe needs to save itself before it's too late and the time is NOW.
Amandeep Bhogal is great
One of my primary schoolteachers 40 years ago was a Sikh - absolutely top bloke. He was very tolerant and open with us naturally curious kids when we were asking him questions about his faith and how he observed it.
Sikhs are very fine and wise people who are welcome In this country.
From America, my thanks to The New Culture Forum. Your uploads never fail to be interesting and, I think, important.
It is not difficult to understand why the western governments, who are themselves pioneers of imperialism, colonization, ethnic cleansing and apartheid rush to support a similar regime. That is because they share similar ‘values’.
Fantastic conversation between you all, thank you all very much for much needed rational, intelligent discussion.
200,000 subscribers! Should be millions. Honestly despair the stupidity or blind ignorance of the "masses"
It's sad but true 😔
This panel is just top notch 👌
The fall of the BBC and the fall of the Church of England - the collapse of these great national institutions is the tragedy of my life. I’m now 76.
We need Christopher Hitchens now more than ever. He wasn’t afraid to call Islam what it is. Evil
But he also had pro Palestinian sympathies and was critical of Israel.
Not evil just ignorant.
Cousin marriage
Doesn't make for very
Intelligent offspring
add in modern day Islam
& Bob is your cousin as
well .😂😂😂
Is that not hate speech calling Islam evil?
@@markwb0no
@@markwb0 is taking female captives of war as sex slaves and deemed as halal not evil? is subjecting a 9 year old girl child to a 54 year old pervert not evil?
An important and timely conversation. Thank you!
All of them need to go, Europe for the Europeans, England for the English!
It is not difficult to understand why the western governments, who are themselves pioneers of imperialism, colonization, ethnic cleansing and apartheid rush to support a similar regime. That is because they share similar ‘values’.
@@bsahmed1 I think you’ll find it’s because they all serve the same masters, the very same masters who’s purported homeland is where this current conflict is unfolding.
@@bsahmed1 you’ve got to be pretty silly and ignorant to think that conquest is a uniquely European thing. All groups throughout recorded and unrecorded history have vied against other groups for territory and resources. It’s the game of life, we were just particularly good at it.
If Liberal Judaism and its progressive UK synagogues can campaign for open borders here in the UK, then surely I can support open borders for Israel. It would be double standards to say otherwise.
There are Arab Muslims who are Israeli citizens. They are even represented in the Israeli Parliament. The Liberal left in Israel is just the same as it is here, because it's a democracy, surrounded by Islamic theocratic regimes that want to wipe Israel off the map... Don't get these facts get in the way of your bigotry.
"Double standards" pretty much sums up the Israeli position.
Double standards sums up the other side also.
That's the part that most of these commentators make. They either don't see, or don't want to see how much of an open borders, anti white group liberal Judaism is. Just like the Muslims and any other minority group, they vote in favor of what they think will benefit THEIR particular people. In order to hurt "whiteness" they've just imported one of their own worst enemies en masse. Oops.
Wonderful conversation. Thank you gentlemen ❤
Everyone!! Cancel your license and stay away from the biased. MSM. Watch programmes like this and CBN for example just to get the news as it should be given. I cancelled my license years ago and don’t miss the content they put out. News, soaps, advertising, all changes for the worst. I stand with Israel 🇮🇱 🏴✝️🇬🇧🙏🏼 Praying for the innocent 🙏🏼
“If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand?" - Jesus
At 19 minutes onwards the Prof from Leeds hits the nail on the head.
Last month, I stumbled upon the BBC's broadcast on 9/11/2001. This report came out 4 hours after the WTC collapse. This report showed showed Palestinians in the arab quarter of Jerusalem cheering, celebrating the attacks, and waving Palestinian flags. I don't think they'd cover it that way if it happened again.
The situation in the Middle East is complicated, but celebrating the death of innocent civilians is appalling. I don’t care what nationality, ethnicity, or religion they are, if innocent people are killed, especially children, it should be condemned and lamented.
It isn’t complicated. It is the misunderstandings and falsehoods propagated by the likes of Al Jazeera and the BBC that give the illusion of complexity.
@@davethebrahman9870 Can’t say I watch or trust either of those sources, but from what I’ve read elsewhere it seems somewhat complicated. If you had to summarise the situation, how would you go about it?
@@malpreece5008 Two nations have a valid claim to the land, The UN and the British took the only possible course and partitioned, with 80% going to the Arabs. They refused this and sought to get everything by violence. They failed in three major wars to destroy Israel, yet still expect to get everything they could have had if they had accepted partition in 1948. Now they have resorted to mass slaughter of civilians during a quiet period. So they aren’t going to get anything.
It is not what you know, it is what you could have known if you wanted to find out. Please search for the truth. It is very easy to find it and once you do, you will be liberated from all biases and prejudice. There was peace and security in Palestine until the Zionist European invaders stole the land from the natives. Advice them to go back to their countries and leave the poor people alone.
The last paradox is that the tale of Palestine from the beginning until today is a simple story of colonialism and dispossession, yet the world treats it as a multifaceted and complex story hard to understand and even harder to solve.
@@zyzxyz How so? I think Hamas are atrocious. They’re perpetuating an un-winnable conflict, committed to using terrorism to achieve their aims, and unwilling to recognise Israel’s right to exist. But they only received 45% of the popular vote in 2006, so a majority of Palestinians don’t support them. Whereas, Fatah are willing to acknowledge Israel and seem amenable to a peaceful resolution. Admittedly, they’ve been forced out of Gaza by Hamas, but they could make a return. Like I said, it’s complicated.
Great conversation. Thank you .
Disagreeing with an ideology does not mean you hate the people who believe in in that ideology. If you did not have religion what have this war and other wars have happened, probably not.
Very good discussion. Thank you gentlemen.
We should stop paying the tv licence.👍
Compelling viewing with fascinating points on some of the incomprehensible moments of these times 👍👏👌
Excellent discussion!
We get a number of BBC news and shows here in the U.S. The company has become worthless and completely untrustworthy with news, entertainment and all else it touches. I stopped watching it years ago.
Thanks for your excellent channel.
Glad I found it
scotland have opened their doors to hamas
Islamic fascists and the left hundred percent correct what a holy alliance.
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Global Britain! That's the problem.
as the rest of Europe
Islamic Britain thats the real problem
Its platforms like this, that gives me hope. Thank you!
Thank you NCF team and your guest Amandeep Bhogal for this measured and frank discussion. Excellent as always. Great to see the subscribers increasing, too.
THANK YOU TO YOU ALL
DARE WE HOPE- YOUR DISCUSSIONS AND THOUGHTFULNESS ENLIVEN US GIVING US HOPE!
A lot of them don't really care..so long as they can bring down the patriarchy. it's all going to be better under Big Sister...
Look at how the state cancelled the man who can’t be named and his working class multi ethnic group on allegations of R and being I phobic.
@@Mr_SubtleTR
Excellent. Thank you.
where are the gays for palestine movement? like muslims for womens freedom march on the streets people loud and proud
Well said gentlemen. More of this please and thank you.
Unholy alliance, depends upon the long term objective for the Isles. The enemy of my enemy is my friend until both my enemies are in submission, then you can rule with little or no opposition. Nah, sometimes it is not a five year plan but a generational doctrine. Can the ship be turned around, not with pseudo captains.
Excellent discussion , and great common sense- down to earth talks that speaks the truth!
Brilliant, unflinching commentary on the madness of what we are currently living through. Thank you gentlemen.
Same with PBS in the US. Defund PBS.
Watching you from Israel
Hope you are holding up alright...prayers..
We pray for all in Israel god bless you from the UK.
Prior to his election in 2011, the FM was a spokesman for Islamic Relief, which, in itself was a bit dodgy, so maybe he wouldn’t be concerned about any security risks involved in becoming a place of rescue to Gazans.
I heard a very educated and balanced view from Douglas Murray on Australia sky, he would be ideal to have on your show
British politicians need to grow a spine!
Excellent NCF.
Thank you for moral clarity, gentlemen! Subscribing to your channel!
everywhere Islam mixes with other cultures, there is trouble
BBC and other news services need to have a good look at themselves.
Emotional wailing! The children! The children!
not particularly fond of either side but i know radical islam is more of a threat to this country than judaism
It's not Judaism that is the problem - nor is that the foundation of the antisemitism issue (but gammon media would love us to follow that rabbit hole trail.. )
@@KismetMulhaneski-to3wg yeah i get it, the west is massively to blame. Still doesn't make sense importing medieval savages into our own countries though
I don’t recognise Israel ?
Join the club love because I don’t recognise London , it looks like the third world .
Thank you for this excellent program. Subscribed.
Very interesting Gentlemen, thanks.
In a journalism class I took years ago here in the States, I learned that journalists who print/broadcast news from one source, with no verification, were referred to disparagingly as "stenographers."
Frankly, this kind of reporting on I/P isn't new. I understand that most reporters are embedded with the PA, and the use of PA or PLO staffers as interpreters or even as reporters is a long-time practice. This is what happened with the Muhammad al Durrah affair, for instance.
This is the real fundamental reason and principle of leader Geert Wilders for the sake of a civilized country of faith today.
Aristotle said : If a statement is true all data are in harmony with it. While if it is false they soon reveal a discrepancy.