This one’s exciting Rob! I am a professional window installation guy. Some of our windows come with a plastic shielding film stuck to the glass. Removing this film builds a charge that will shock the ever loving sheeet out of you. Far more energy than shuffling your feet on carpet or a balloon could generate. You might attempt something with glass and various plastics. Thanks brother!!
The largest Wimshurst machine I ever saw was a bit over a meter in diameter. The creator said he could generate between 750,000 and 1,000,000 volts from it. He also was able to spin it quite easily with a simple wooden pully system he had driving it. Was a rather interesting internet find while I was searching for Wimshurst machines. Fairly certain I started searching for them due to an atmospheric generator Rob made a few years back lol
A whole lot of strongly dielectric fibers can build up massive levels of triboelectric power, and again, one merely needs multiple independent collectors, either in parallel or in series. Certainly a very dry atmosphere makes a major difference, even if not employing a vacuum.
I wonder of the charging of the disk at 20:00 in, itself creates a piece of 'virtual metal' as it will presumably cause one side to collect electrons - this now there's a rotating charge rather than a rotating neutral piece of foil/conductive paint. A rotating charge will then have more 'pumping effect' upon the passive fixed plates of the machine.
yep telling you triboelectricity is the way to go, (you seen the humidity into porous materials that generates voltage from the water vapor touching the sides?, seems they found maybe a way to generate power from the same effect as the rain field generator that takes drops of water and uses triboelectric charges to make power like you and Luke both demonstrated and explained the building process.
There's an invention where you put this material on your wall like wallpaper and you're ceiling and floors and you link all the panels together its Shields from EMF it acts like a faraday cage free energy off it...
The rocking of a tree through a recursive bowstring could, in theory, tun multitudes of these, at almost any size, any time there is even the slightest breeze. I do believe, however, that there is some issue that it seems to need more individual reversed plates. In other words, I think that it may need more alternations and changes, more rapidly in time, just like how one wants more speed when using magnets against coils, because if you are moving too slowly, maybe it is discharging too quickly and not storing up much energy. More speed is more difficult than more interrupts. Also, the dielectric values of the materials has a lot to do with it, and if you are trying to store an actual charge, it may be good to use a rarefied atmosphere. [maybe]
make your disc from PTFE and and use small strips of the carbon felt on small plastic fingers attached to the back were the central hub is almost like a clock or you could use rabbit fur. instead of the carbon for a better result.
I would like to vote for Rob to use his own hair (I figure by the end of his day the carbon felt content would be a real advantage)(to be fair Robs hair is already used as a wind gauge so whats one more use lol
Hi Robert, I've been thoroughly enjoying your videos and find them incredibly educational and inspiring. Your approach to simplifying complex subjects is something I deeply appreciate. Your modular approach to wind turbines and generators is particularly appealing. I'm planning to create a similar modular STEM kit and your insights have been extremely valuable for that. I've been curious about the use of PCB motors as generators, especially for micro-systems or even a wind wall. There are some intriguing DIY projects out there that make use of these coreless disk generators. Have you experimented with this, or do you have any thoughts on the subject? Keep up the amazing work, and thank you for the wealth of information you share. Best regards, Paul
the ink did better because it had a higher surface are for charge and the higher the voltage they make the closer they approach 100% efficiency until at a certain point they pass 100% with a theoretical maximum of 200% because the forces on the rotor are balanced in such a way that there it no torque relationsohip between the load output and rotor. After a null point on the rotor is passed, the individual plate on the rotor is attracted to the output brush because the output brush is presening an opposite polarity field, same with the neurtaliser brush, this result in positive torque on the rotor. the only caveat is that you have to have a high enough capacitance and voltage to make the energy output reasonable. my record is making ~110 watts at 180 KV, 0.000555 amps
What if you added aluminium to the bottom of flat plate flappers and made a stack of them? Would it be structurally difficult to make the plates that extract the electrons into a vertical stack?
If you want a fully battery-free way to jump-start the process by charging up the plates, I would direct your attention to the piezo-electric push buttons used in certain kinds of butane lighters. I know that they can produce a useful amount of current. Admittedly, I am imagining a screen-printable generating element as part of an apocalypse-proof power system for some sort of emergency electronics. My imaginary device is about the size of a breadbox with a pushbutton and a hand-crank. At the crank end inside are a set of planetary gears meant to turn the user's strength into speed via toque conversion, at the other end are a series of Wimshurst-style electrostatic plates, a small fractal capacitor bank, and some kind of supercap for storing the resultant 5-ish volt power for use in something like a low-power radio, computer, or light system. Alternately, for a wind turbine design, would it be possible to merge the electrostatic elements and the blades of the turbine? Since you're not having to pass a coil through a rotating magnetic field, it should be possible to stack up inductor blades like you see inside of a jet turbine. Add a scoop at the leading end, a tail to keep the scoop pointed the correct direction, and go?
Why o why are you using a capacitor with a load in it .. .. .. It is so counter productive, especially because you need a charge. And as soon as the charge (voltage) goes up, it will continue to go up rapidly. (as how a wimshurst machine works).
yes yes yes I agree I don't know if he had a reason for using a cap with a resistor in it. Its funny because he tells us its in there at one point and later on says to keep in mind that these things are more high volt low amp. I haven't messed with this kind of power much but I am thinking I should just seems most examples I have seen basically get as far as jumping a spark and then they smile pointing to the spark and say something like see the power.......and thats it 10 videos later and guys have made a over complicated propane BBQ lighter. I suspect what is needed is some kind of cap that can handle a rather spicy voltage to get in to a max power out put for the rpm then find a way to bleed off the extra power hoping its enough to do something by the time its gathered up converted regulated and so on. I do think our tec is getting to efficiency's at prices that don't require a 30 year loan lol to argue for some use cases but I spend a lot of time looking in to different "green" tec and I can't think of anything that has gone much past the spark phase
I would like to vote for Rob to use his own hair (I figure by the end of his day the carbon felt content would be a real advantage)(to be fair Robs hair is already used as a wind gauge so whats one more use lol
My idea for a static generator was to make a super capacitor for the rotor and charge it up like a laden jar so the strong electric field could induce current into a serpentine coil that wrapped around the generator. The carbon electrodes could allow it to be charged by a microwave source. But what if you took the current generator in the video and painted the disc in carbon ink then coat it in wax. Then put a sheet of paper and salt water over it it that is barely damp. Then put the other conductor that is wax coated over it for a capacitor. Then have the two carbon plates for receiving charge. A microwave or static source charges the capacitor first then spin it for a generator. Or if you used and electret that would work better for the generator. It can store and electric field. If you can turn the plastic into an electrect like carnuba wax and bees wax made an electret and spin that that generator in the video may do better.
Re capacitors. I've found titanium sheet when anodised and in water can make large value variable "electrolytic" capacitors, I've achieved Aprox ⅛F per cm² Ti sheet. The pure titanium forms one plate. The oxide film the dielectric, and the water the other. when the resistance of tap water is compared to that of the oxide film, tap water can be considered as way more conductive. Can alter how deep to plate is in water to vary capacitance. Very interesting result when capacitance lowered with a charged capacitor. Stored energy remains same, so voltage goes up. Also carbon super caps have a breakdown voltage of Aprox 2.5 volts. anodized Ti can handle kV. (though bear in mind, the thickness of oxide layer gets thicker with higher anodising/breakdown voltage and thus the capacitance drops)
@@stevecummins324 Have you ever charged a capacitor in your microwave and built up a huge electric field? I got a heck of a shock from that thing made from two pieces of pencil led and some wax and tape, and a paper towel soaked in a bit of salt water suspended by dental floss hanging from a pencil. I must have had a few kilo joules at least on that.
I probably could have died from a severe electrical shock though. And I did not fool with it afterward but thought what a field like that could be used for. So if you have a mega joule electric field that could be used to induce charges could have all sorts of uses. From generators to MHD generators and propulsion. And that way you don't need expensive neodymium magnets.
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This one’s exciting Rob! I am a professional window installation guy. Some of our windows come with a plastic shielding film stuck to the glass. Removing this film builds a charge that will shock the ever loving sheeet out of you. Far more energy than shuffling your feet on carpet or a balloon could generate.
You might attempt something with glass and various plastics. Thanks brother!!
I'm seriously looking forward to seeing this fractal circuit performance
The largest Wimshurst machine I ever saw was a bit over a meter in diameter. The creator said he could generate between 750,000 and 1,000,000 volts from it. He also was able to spin it quite easily with a simple wooden pully system he had driving it. Was a rather interesting internet find while I was searching for Wimshurst machines. Fairly certain I started searching for them due to an atmospheric generator Rob made a few years back lol
Another fantastic video, Rob! Thank you very much for taking the time to reorganise/reupload your videos, they are a very valuable resource.
Some watches use electrostatic generators to self charge. The plates are permanently charged in the factory.
Good luck. Looks interesting
A whole lot of strongly dielectric fibers can build up massive levels of triboelectric power, and again, one merely needs multiple independent collectors, either in parallel or in series.
Certainly a very dry atmosphere makes a major difference, even if not employing a vacuum.
Please do a video about how to get into 3D printing. Make recommendations for printers for a variety of applications and so forth.
I wonder of the charging of the disk at 20:00 in, itself creates a piece of 'virtual metal' as it will presumably cause one side to collect electrons - this now there's a rotating charge rather than a rotating neutral piece of foil/conductive paint.
A rotating charge will then have more 'pumping effect' upon the passive fixed plates of the machine.
yep telling you triboelectricity is the way to go, (you seen the humidity into porous materials that generates voltage from the water vapor touching the sides?, seems they found maybe a way to generate power from the same effect as the rain field generator that takes drops of water and uses triboelectric charges to make power like you and Luke both demonstrated and explained the building process.
There's an invention where you put this material on your wall like wallpaper and you're ceiling and floors and you link all the panels together its Shields from EMF it acts like a faraday cage free energy off it...
The rocking of a tree through a recursive bowstring could, in theory, tun multitudes of these, at almost any size, any time there is even the slightest breeze.
I do believe, however, that there is some issue that it seems to need more individual reversed plates.
In other words, I think that it may need more alternations and changes, more rapidly in time, just like how one wants more speed when using magnets against coils, because if you are moving too slowly, maybe it is discharging too quickly and not storing up much energy.
More speed is more difficult than more interrupts.
Also, the dielectric values of the materials has a lot to do with it, and if you are trying to store an actual charge, it may be good to use a rarefied atmosphere. [maybe]
Awesome The hair from a bat from Indonesia works very good.
I don't always shave bats but when I do, I prefer domestic bats.
make your disc from PTFE and and use small strips of the carbon felt on small plastic fingers attached to the back were the central hub is almost like a clock or you could use rabbit fur. instead of the carbon for a better result.
Another good preservative is copper powder. And of course that stuff is also highly conductive.
Your Cat would "Meouch"!!!
I say we just clone Rob a few dozen times and our energy problems would solve themselves.👨🔬
I would like to vote for Rob to use his own hair (I figure by the end of his day the carbon felt content would be a real advantage)(to be fair Robs hair is already used as a wind gauge so whats one more use lol
Hi Robert, I've been thoroughly enjoying your videos and find them incredibly educational and inspiring. Your approach to simplifying complex subjects is something I deeply appreciate.
Your modular approach to wind turbines and generators is particularly appealing. I'm planning to create a similar modular STEM kit and your insights have been extremely valuable for that.
I've been curious about the use of PCB motors as generators, especially for micro-systems or even a wind wall. There are some intriguing DIY projects out there that make use of these coreless disk generators. Have you experimented with this, or do you have any thoughts on the subject?
Keep up the amazing work, and thank you for the wealth of information you share.
Best regards,
Paul
I have gone back to using ALU the lacquer seemed to insulate my conductive ink. I'm Get voltages back upto 60kv no worries ;)
This kind of thing and piezoelectrics will be the future of distributed energy generation imho
the ink did better because it had a higher surface are for charge
and the higher the voltage they make the closer they approach 100% efficiency until at a certain point they pass 100% with a theoretical maximum of 200% because the forces on the rotor are balanced in such a way that there it no torque relationsohip between the load output and rotor.
After a null point on the rotor is passed, the individual plate on the rotor is attracted to the output brush because the output brush is presening an opposite polarity field, same with the neurtaliser brush, this result in positive torque on the rotor.
the only caveat is that you have to have a high enough capacitance and voltage to make the energy output reasonable.
my record is making ~110 watts at 180 KV, 0.000555 amps
Wonder if the way to deposit metal onto a 3d print would work also. Humm.....
Good stuff
What if you added aluminium to the bottom of flat plate flappers and made a stack of them? Would it be structurally difficult to make the plates that extract the electrons into a vertical stack?
Would it possible to use atmospheric electrical charge to preload the charge into the generator?
this is awesome but i think pubic hair from a chipmunk works best
Which one? Alvin, Simon or Theodore?
@@ralph3333 no idea wich one will be best
I always thought that UAPs are somehow related to electrostatics. They are able to repel air and defy gravity :D
Just been over to the main channel and 1340 seems to be missing Rob?
Could it stack or would that mess with the fields?
By Zeus! What sorcery is this!?
Shouldn't the cat produce cations?
If you want a fully battery-free way to jump-start the process by charging up the plates, I would direct your attention to the piezo-electric push buttons used in certain kinds of butane lighters. I know that they can produce a useful amount of current. Admittedly, I am imagining a screen-printable generating element as part of an apocalypse-proof power system for some sort of emergency electronics. My imaginary device is about the size of a breadbox with a pushbutton and a hand-crank. At the crank end inside are a set of planetary gears meant to turn the user's strength into speed via toque conversion, at the other end are a series of Wimshurst-style electrostatic plates, a small fractal capacitor bank, and some kind of supercap for storing the resultant 5-ish volt power for use in something like a low-power radio, computer, or light system.
Alternately, for a wind turbine design, would it be possible to merge the electrostatic elements and the blades of the turbine? Since you're not having to pass a coil through a rotating magnetic field, it should be possible to stack up inductor blades like you see inside of a jet turbine. Add a scoop at the leading end, a tail to keep the scoop pointed the correct direction, and go?
Why o why are you using a capacitor with a load in it .. .. .. It is so counter productive, especially because you need a charge. And as soon as the charge (voltage) goes up, it will continue to go up rapidly. (as how a wimshurst machine works).
yes yes yes I agree I don't know if he had a reason for using a cap with a resistor in it. Its funny because he tells us its in there at one point and later on says to keep in mind that these things are more high volt low amp. I haven't messed with this kind of power much but I am thinking I should just seems most examples I have seen basically get as far as jumping a spark and then they smile pointing to the spark and say something like see the power.......and thats it 10 videos later and guys have made a over complicated propane BBQ lighter. I suspect what is needed is some kind of cap that can handle a rather spicy voltage to get in to a max power out put for the rpm then find a way to bleed off the extra power hoping its enough to do something by the time its gathered up converted regulated and so on. I do think our tec is getting to efficiency's at prices that don't require a 30 year loan lol to argue for some use cases but I spend a lot of time looking in to different "green" tec and I can't think of anything that has gone much past the spark phase
I would like to vote for Rob to use his own hair (I figure by the end of his day the carbon felt content would be a real advantage)(to be fair Robs hair is already used as a wind gauge so whats one more use lol
Try two different materials with different electronegativities.
run a wire from the ground atached to carbon felt instead of using the cats tail.😂
My idea for a static generator was to make a super capacitor for the rotor and charge it up like a laden jar so the strong electric field could induce current into a serpentine coil that wrapped around the generator. The carbon electrodes could allow it to be charged by a microwave source. But what if you took the current generator in the video and painted the disc in carbon ink then coat it in wax. Then put a sheet of paper and salt water over it it that is barely damp. Then put the other conductor that is wax coated over it for a capacitor. Then have the two carbon plates for receiving charge. A microwave or static source charges the capacitor first then spin it for a generator. Or if you used and electret that would work better for the generator. It can store and electric field. If you can turn the plastic into an electrect like carnuba wax and bees wax made an electret and spin that that generator in the video may do better.
Re capacitors. I've found titanium sheet when anodised and in water can make large value variable "electrolytic" capacitors, I've achieved Aprox ⅛F per cm² Ti sheet. The pure titanium forms one plate. The oxide film the dielectric, and the water the other. when the resistance of tap water is compared to that of the oxide film, tap water can be considered as way more conductive. Can alter how deep to plate is in water to vary capacitance. Very interesting result when capacitance lowered with a charged capacitor. Stored energy remains same, so voltage goes up.
Also carbon super caps have a breakdown voltage of Aprox 2.5 volts. anodized Ti can handle kV. (though bear in mind, the thickness of oxide layer gets thicker with higher anodising/breakdown voltage and thus the capacitance drops)
@@stevecummins324 Have you ever charged a capacitor in your microwave and built up a huge electric field? I got a heck of a shock from that thing made from two pieces of pencil led and some wax and tape, and a paper towel soaked in a bit of salt water suspended by dental floss hanging from a pencil. I must have had a few kilo joules at least on that.
I probably could have died from a severe electrical shock though. And I did not fool with it afterward but thought what a field like that could be used for. So if you have a mega joule electric field that could be used to induce charges could have all sorts of uses. From generators to MHD generators and propulsion. And that way you don't need expensive neodymium magnets.
Hey Robert do you think this will work the same if you print it out of conductive filament?
Brilliant
piezoelectric effect pieazo flapper flags in the wind
This is entertaining, informative, relaxing, and satisfying all at the same time.
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