JANE AUSTEN GETS HER LICK BACK (AGAIN) | Good Omens 2 Episode 5 Reaction + Analysis
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- I'll be real with y'all, I was a bit too hard on this episode. After watching it a few times, I definitely missed some things. So I've softened up a bit since. I tried to convey that in my youtube version.
Socials:
PATREON: / doctorcanon
Tumblr: doctorcanon
Twitter: @doctorcanon.vo
Tiktok: doctorcanon.vo
Twitch: doctorcanonVO
Skulls: Zatch Danger at etsy.me/3bGSHcZ
![[Live] : ONE FIGHT NIGHT 25 วันนี้!! "อเล็กซิส vs รีเกียน"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/suVr9a6BM2g/mqdefault.jpg)
"Not actually - either", as in "I'm not either good OR a lad". Acknowledgement that Crowley isn't actually male, he just presents that way.
I would say he's not a lad because a lad would be a human male, and he is not human, but it's open to different interpretations. He is pretty good, though. :)
@@HuntingViolets Neil Gaiman himself has said neither Aziraphale nor Crowley are male, so i think it's pretty safe to say that's what this line meant :]
And that they are fluent with the male or famele
"I'm looking for Maggie and Nina to have some kind of agency this episode"
**Aziraphale immediately proceeds to take away the agency of EVERYONE on Whickber Street lmao**
Ah yes, the Eldritch Ball
I disagree with your statement in the beginning, that Azi doesn't value the trust thing as much as Crowley because in Heaven they are honest etc. My take is that Azi is the kind of person who goes to great lengths to deny reality to keep his idealistic world view. Crowley is a realist. That's the biggest difference
As most humans do
I'm gonna cite fellshish from tumblr, because I think they summarized really well why this episode is funny yet also rather creepy:
"girl help the eldritch horrors are organising a pride and prejudice party and making us dance to mirror their forbidden and repressed love. yes there is a michael jackson thriller video reenactment outside trying to get in. no yeah I still want that rare doctor who annual."
(Even funnier is that Neil Gaiman replied: "It made sense when I wrote it").
Anyways, yes you are very correct in saying that Aziraphale doesn't really get humans entirely, but I think what is also going on is VERY VERY HEAVY PROJECTION on his part. Like, projection to rival all projections. At this point, Nina and Maggie are just an excuse for him. He's doing "the ball" for himself and Crowley. And so lost in his own little fantasy that he's 1. Infringing on the humans' personal freedom and 2. Ignoring the danger Crowley is trying to tell him about, until he absolutely cannot ignore it any longer.
A couple of thoughts.
Diversity. An advantage of British shows is that they are very used to a mixing pot of actors that wasn't added on because. "We need x of this ethnicity/gender representation" like you find on some American shows, but their inclusion feels a lot more random and organic. The handicapped Angel talks about how she was cast because of her personality. She had worked with the director before, and he needed a sarcastic angel and she came to mind. The fact that she is in a wheelchair was something they were happy to work around.
As for Azi's line about "rescuing me makes him so happy." I mean Azi is such a romantic. Of course, he loves it. Remember that the times we've seen Crowley come to his rescue, Azi didn't call him. Crowley showed up at his own free will. It wasn't unwanted, Azi was appreciative, but he didn't ask for it. As Azi said himself. He has a plan. He probably would have saved himself from Bastille and the Nazi. Crowley however showed up and took control, and I think that is Crowley's love language. He's a demon. He does favors. It is how he expresses himself. He takes Azi out to lunch to places Azi would love, so he can watch him eat like a cute weirdo. I mean, if I had a sexy bad boy boyfriend that wanted to rescue me from shackles, even if I could get myself out of it... I get it!
Yes, I think Crowley said in the church that he was rescuing Aziraphale from being "embarrassed" or something like that. The fandom seems to agree that Crowley's love language is (often) acts of service, and there are things he may be only capable of doing because of his synergy with Aziraphale like the 25 lazeri miracle and stopping time (while a lot of people think Crowley's stopping time means he was an incredibly powerful angel, I wonder whether he would have been able to do that had not Aziraphale not threatened to never talk to him again).
@@HuntingViolets Agreed except Crowley can stop time at will, regardless of Az threatening him. He did it in the Resurrectionist episode when they were talking to Dalrymple
@@KeitieKalopsia Very good.
Muriel is the Angel version of a kitten at about 6 weeks old. Innocent, naive/new and 200% cuteness
The demon with the bunny ears and the fantastic eyelashes is called Eric. We don't know how many Eric there are, it is supposedly not the same Eric but an different Eric, there are loads of Eric, but when a demon dies in this show. It is usually an Eric. xD (Love your reviews btw.)
Yeah Eric, the Sacrificial Demon😅😂. He can replicate and create copies of himself... that usually get DEAD😅
Yeah poor guy. Justice for Eric!!
Eric seems to get discorporated a lot but instantly returns without paperwork, unless it is different Erics. We know there were three Erics who talked with Hastur in season one. (But were two of them permanently killed by Hastur, leaving us one or are there still multiple Erics? I'm not sure.) I like the Muriel/Eric ship idea, though. Eric is a demon who asks questions and the objections that get him in trouble are usually reasonable.
Gaiman has said they are identical demons, but they are not the same demon. Just known affectionately as Eric. @@HuntingViolets
@@Natala00 Eric the Ikea version of masseproduktion Demon or some such
The line that gets me is the choked "He's just an angel." Very low: "I know." What is that line reading? My God. Crowley is (metaphorically) on the ground at this point.
Also someone pointed it out, but the scene where that women says, "You're a good lad." And Crowley responds, "I'm not actually, either." I'm pretty sure is meant to be an acknowledgement that Crowley, despite presenting male most of the time, isn't actually a man. Gaimen has said multiple times that this is the case for pretty much all angels. I'm not sure if you noticed in season one, but he did obviously present female when he was a nanny, and he also did so during Jesus's crucifixion
Although Aziraphale indulging in Crowley's need to help him is endearing, it is also a bit frustrating because things would probably go so much smoother if they just communicated. It's painful to watch, both because I want to scream at them and because I'm just constantly going, "Aww, omg they're so CUTE." Crowley in particular is just very cute this season and I kept getting frustrated for him and all that people and Aziraphale put him through.
Nina is the only one who realizes something is wrong (unreal). She gets Maggie to see it (a little). Nina is the only one who can swear at the party. Nina is the only one who realizes Crowley and Aziraphale are something else. ("They're doing it." Although Crowley isn't "doing it," he is still something else, and she knows it.)
"Wait and see." How Neil Gaiman sometimes answers questions about the show on his Tumblr.
AAAAH IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS! looking forward to your reaction to the finale always love hearing what you have to say!
Also, with aziraphale’s “rescuing me makes him so happy” i remember someone asking neil on tumblr about why crowley always has to save aziraphale and he replied that aziraphale’s perfectly capable of taking care of himself but having crowley rescue him makes him happy so i think crowley likes getting him out of trouble as much as aziraphale likes being the damsel in distress
Totally agree with some of your ending points. The acting of David, Michael, John, and Miranda are really what elevates a relatively thin plot to the point of having actual emotional payoff.
This was all done in 2021 during pandemic restrictions as well, so their episodes got cut from 8 to 6 as Neil has mentioned on his Tumblr, and ep 5 suffers from it the most, imo.
Did we need like ten solid minutes of Shax calling demons together to attack? Well actually... No. Not in my opinion. And I can't tell yet if it's admirable that Aziraphale's actions here cause us to question his character, or just an easy out.
But then I thought that of season 1 frankly, and so I've taken to assuming that Aziraphale's cageiness and general overreach are actually a character flaw. Just as Crowley's noncommunicative abilities might be his. Which, in my mind, makes the Austen-ness theme that came up of their relationship, more prominent tbh.
In analyzing the story, I try to keep in my mind a couple things. I first always remember that these two are supposed to be relatively incompetent spies that grew to care more for each other and 'their place they built together' than their respective sides. Secondly, that the 'soft magic' seems almost always defined as 'what would be funnier for the bit?' which is very Pratchett-esque to me, lmao. And that generally, the biggest themes of Good Omens, always seem centered around hope, love, and choice, which makes what season two actually is, an incredibly fascinating continuation, and wildly emotional.
Can't wait to hear your final thoughts! It'll be fun.
Seamstress discussion is Terry Pratchett reference. On Discworld seamstress is a euphemism for a lady of „negotiable affection“
Remember how in season 1 they had Eric come up to heaven to light the hellfire for the angels to burn "Aziraphale" with? Demons aren't physically hurt when in heaven, though it's possible there's some sort of rule like, "They need to be invited first" or something
I do find how they're presenting the text messages very interesting. At first, I was like, does her partner write nasty notes and send her the photos, but then I got it. It's visually so different. _Red, White, and Royal Blue_ does a very different interesting thing with text messages. I remember when the way _Sherlock_ was doing it seemed so revolutionary (exaggerated).
Actually, in one of the special content on Prime they talk about it, and guess what? One of the filmmakers (sorry, I do not remember their title/name exactly😅) is the one that worked on the way the texts were presented in BBC Sherlock!
A channel here on TH-cam uploaded all of the premium content. You should be able to find it.
@@diane_5789 Oh, thanks! Text messages do present an issue in a filmed story, and it's so interesting how they are turning it around to an advantage.
18:50 this is Soho. Diversity is nothing new there
Love your analyses I don't always agree but then it makes me think. And that is always good
I think that Aziraphale and Crowley understand the world through through a fictional lens. Aziraphale sees the world and understands humans through literary fiction. Crowley, who is much more prone to change sees it through movies. He’s a fan of James Bond. Who does he relate human romance through? Was it Tony Curtis? I think Crowley genuinely likes rescuing Aziraphale because it makes him feel like a hero. He wants to be dashing. I think Aziraphale is more competent than he lets on and could easily avoid these situations he gets into, but it gives them an opportunity live live out their little fictional fantasies, and also to interact, which they maybe didn’t have as much opportunity to do in the past. They’re both shit at communication, so this is what they’ve got.
As far as the ball and what exactly Aziraphale did… I think it’s more an Austen filter than manipulating free will. I think even Aziraphale gets caught in it. There’s always that expectation that things are going to be solved at the ball, and they never are. I like that because Nina was resistant to the meeting in the first place, she’s partially immune to the filter. Her mind is definitely her own.
And I’m with you. This is a second act season. This is about getting the chess pieces in place for act 3.
It was Richard Curtis, who did Notting Hill; Love, Actually; and Bridget Jones's Diary, but I think Crowley was referring to the rain scene in Four Weddings and a Funeral.
I wrote a long comment about the ball, but then I moved it to a Word doc to be finished as a Tumblr post before posting here.
Your "filter" describes it very well. It's probably easier to get caught in it if you're in love, which, to my mind, Aziraphale is (even if you're just in love with the idea of getting a rare _Doctor Who Annual.)_
Not to say Crowley isn't in love, but he and Nina have other things on their minds that interfere with the enchantment, and Aziraphale's mind has been full of Crowley all season in ways that make everything else a little bit _less_ for him, somehow, even things he's personally working on, if that makes sense--whereas the thing on Crowley's mind is protecting Aziraphale, and that is inextricably linked to _his_ love.
So it seems you're not a big Azi fan, and that's fair but I also think his character makes SOOOO much more sense after the 6th episode. I think your discussion of agency is interesting, you have good points but I'll still leave my comments until the 6th ep. Nice video!
I really wish this season was allowed to be the 8 episodes they originally had planned. It meant they had to cut a lot out and compress the rest. I still think they do a good job with what they had to work with... but yeah. It's a shame.
Also I think you're spot on with Aziraphale STILL not understanding how humans 'work.' He really thinks all their issues can be solved with just few snacks and some dancing, when we all know that's not how life works.
I hope you enjoy the last episode. I can't guarantee it'll answer all of your questions, but I'm keen to see your analysis of it regardless.
That's the thing, Aziraphale's picked up on the correlation between Crowley rescuing him and then being in a good mood, but he takes it at face value. What he _doesn't_ understand is that Crowley's happiness comes from the excuse to spend time with him afterwards, not the rescuing itself. All along he would've _loved_ to spend time with Aziraphale _without_ needing a reason, and as of the past few years that's a luxury he now has. So I think it's safe to say Crowley no longer enjoys needing to rescue him
Ah yes... Things are only getting more tense. Watching your comentary is such a joy! Can't wait to see what you have to say in the next episode!
I'm sure there are killers among the damned in Hell, but among the demons, hard to say.
Well, Hastur and Ligur seemed very eager to kill.
@@cawareyoudoin7379 Yes, one is dead-dead, and we haven't seen Hastur this season, but good point.
Lots of fans have been speculating as to who or what Nina and especially Maggie might be. Because yes, a lot of weird coincidences happen around them, and they sometimes act a bit strangely. I've seen people posit that Maggie is: a demon, possessed by an angel, a character inserted into the story with the Book of Life, and a few other things. I personally doubt any of these are actually true. But I do think either just Nina or both of them might be witches in some way, like Agnes and Anathema, and just not know it. Especially Nina seeing through some bullshit, asking poignant questions, and being resistant to hypnotization.
Or it could just be some clumsy writing and it doesn't really mean anything. It happens.
I think the problems with the season are a combination of Covid times and also the lack of Pratchett’s influence. As far as I can tell, this season is (intentionally) all set-up for the actual plot Gaiman and Pratchett had conceived as a sequel. I don’t know how much of this season was previously discussed and how much of it was thrown together just to get us from Point A to Point B but it feels like most of it came exclusively from Gaiman. Hopefully season three has a better balance since it’s something they did actually work on years ago.
There’s definitely moments of great writing this season but it really is carried on David, Michael, and Miranda’s backs. Their performances elevate the material.
The "Should I find this hot? Cause it's kinda hot" was so real of you 🤣
I'm glad you're feeling better. And yes, it makes sense that you find Crowley's protective threats hot.
I only just learned today that Mr Brown is the same VA who voices Gale in Baldur's Gate 3.
re: good omens's magic system, i believe it's that angels and demon can sort of influence the world around them conciously or not. they expect something to work a certain way, so the world bends to their expectations. iirc it's implied on the book.
Jon Hamm looks like a Michael. Someone should have told his parrent that when he was new 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a nice surprise this notification was ^^
7:00, As someone who lived in a Belgium for 3 years and tried so hard practice French every opportunity I got, I can confirm this was literally every trip to the grocery store, lmao
Eric The Disposable Demon clones himself: we see in s1 an Eric gets killed by the hellhound in ep1, then there's 3 of him that get killed by Hastur in episode 4, then another is still alive in the last episode to bring the hellfire to heaven. That's why he's still alive throughout this episode despite getting destroyed lots, it's the same case in s2
Although I was looking for your next commentary on this, I had no idea anything was wrong. I checked and saw your last one wasn't really that long ago compared to some reactors and chided myself for impatience. I was happy to see your note yesterday that you would be posting today. I'm glad you're back.
I agree with you that S02 is just a setup for S03. it was planned that way, however. I have EXTREMELY high hopes for S03 now, especially considering how many open questions S02 left. I don't think this is shade - it is the truth.
I also liked S01 better because of how complicated the whole story was and how it perfectly intertwined several different storylines - a very Terry Pratchett thing to do. but this season is, so far, definitely "quiet, gentle and romantic" and I can appreciate it for what it is.
You’re asking the right questions, about nina and maggie i have a theory i’m just waiting for your last episode reaction to tell you about it, i’m not sure if my theory is that good but it is something, I honestly can’t wait for your finale’s reaction. (English isn’t my first language so ignore any mistakes pls)
9:08 yes. Because it is. 😅
The scene where you mention feeling like you've missed something is also a scene where there is a strange ... continuity error? And it mirrors a later scene where it also feels like we dont get the whole story.
Also! Notice how much we see Az take people's agency (like Heaven does?). The guys in the cemetery, N&M, and all the party guests. It's super invasive and also pretty powerful seeming. I do think a lot of Aziraphale's personality makes more sense to me when we see that he was anxious and afraid even before the Fall.
Crowley going off on Gabriel/Jim is very hot and he’s definitely not jealous of Gabriel/Jim.
Bunny ears has like 5 twins I think
Guys, thoughts on the carpet being right on top of the portal? the same carpet on which they performed the miracle to hide Gabriel. could the portal have had something to do with the strength of the miracle?
No it had nothing to do with the miracle
23:03 BRUH. B R U H!!! Amazon has some absolute HEAVY HITTERS in its catalogue, as far as really interesting fantasy tv (that can also appeal to the mainstream). The Wheel of Time was my favorite show of 2021, and continues to be one of my favorites rewatch after rewatch (love the question of gender the magic system and plot is trying to interrogate. also women being shady and brutal >>>), but they had the same issue with lack of faith that showed up in the funding being much less than you’d want for this kind of high fantasy. (Also COVID-but tbh the writing team is on another level bc setting aside the iffy cgi battle the actual writing choices forced by the pandemic? couldn’t have pictured better). I need them to actually have faith in the sff people are paying attention to-actual wider audience people, not just people who are die hard fantasy nerds (i say this with love, as a die hard fantasy nerd) who will seek out fantasy shows regardless of quality or previous interest.
I love your shirt
So , just a note . That referencing key plot points / scenes from other shows is pretty much Spoiling . Specially for people who have not seen those shows yet , and want to see them.
TK. One time I didn't have my monthly for a year, then I had it too much.
So don't feel alone.
F*****up happens.
Hope your ok.
Blessings sent, sweetie.
Just remember, No guarantees, No ones perfect, even though we all hope to be.
And do whatever we can, to be.
Even thou we are all
Perfectly, imperfect.
I love your Reactions, you are so sincere, and funny. But not false.
Thank you.
Take care.
🙂🤕🙂🙃😉
👩🏻🚀🐶✨🌜✨❤️🩹❤️🩹🪛