New Christian (5 years). First time watching your content and new to Mr. Packer also. This short clip did more for me spiritually than many other sermons regarding having a relationship with God. I'm so incredibly impressed with this Gentleman. To God be the Glory. God bless Him and have him in His Glory. Thank you for uploading this.
What a privilege to speak with Packer, thank you for sharing this. One of my early assignments in Theology was to Wright a summary of Knowing God, by JI Packer. Knowing that he is as more conservative and myself being more full gospel Pentecostal, I was determined to find fault with this work-oh my arrogant and prideful self. I scoured through every word of the book and could not find a single fault, but ended with utter admiration for his soul expression in Knowing God.
Lately when I’m walking I talk to God. I’ve come to realize that I love Him but I also “like” Him very much. I often tell Him that everything He does is so perfect so miraculous wonderful I’m at a loss for words.
Glory to God. The revelation and wisdom of God entrusted to this precious servant of the Lord is deeply profound. True humility. Bless the Lord. Thank you brother for sharing with us your incredibly special face to face and heart to heart encounter. God bless you
@ExMslm. 👌👏 Please copy/paste this wherever you can, as the Holy Spirit will uses this questions to open their hearts that they will realize they believe a god that only exists in the darkness of their souls.
Knowing God is the greatest book I ever read and have read it every June for 30 years. Have bnought it for many pastors. Highly recommend, as did RC Sproul and Billy Graham
It is the greatest blessing for anyone is to be a Christian believer because Jesus has promised eternal life (St.John 10:28). All Christian believers will reign with Jesus when he returns to judge and rule this World (St.Mathew 25:31to 34).
Total Acceptance and Total Trust of God=Complete Faith Without the full acceptance of God and his Character/Being our Faith is shallow. Without fully trusting him we make him out to be a Liar and the Truth is not in us. There is much more to our Faith, but these 2 things are essential for our Faith to spring forth to Life and become Fruitful.
Dear God💗❤️♥️💕💕💕💕❤️💞🙏in heaven, I come to you in the name of Jesus. I acknowledge to You that I am a sinner, and I am sorry for my sins and the , life that I have lived; I need your forgiveness. I believe that your only begotten Son Jesus Christ shed His precious blood on the cross at Calvary and died for my sins, and I am now willing to turn from my sin. You said in the bible that if we confess the Lord our God and believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, we shall be saved. Right now I confess Jesus as my Lord. With my heart, I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead. This very moment I accept Jesus Christ as my own personal Savior and according to His Word, right now I am saved. Amen.
I am an Indian Christian from the city of Bangalore. Maybe it is my cultural upbringin, but I really feel the need to point out something. If I were you sitting next to Dr Packer, I would never sit with one leg upon the other, I would sit with the legs apart, lean forward and ask questions. Sitting cross legged is a mark of disrespect before a man of such greatness. You guys in the west need to learn a few things from the east. This shouldn't be an interview but an opportunity to absorb wisdom from a man who has impacted the world with his wisdom and writing
It´s an interesting point you raise. Certainly worth considering. Still, I identify my Christianity taking from Unitarian Universalism´s advanced modern approach as an interfaith association, an interfaith UU Quaker Christian, aka Gandhian Christian. George Fox had little education even with a prosperous father north of London in the 1600s as he led the co-founding of Quaker-Friendism. He reduced worship to silent meditative waiting on the Inner Light of Christ for God, that sparked him in stopping bowing to aristocrats, valuing individuals and women, and protesting injustices. That is the ultimate implication of loving Jesus as they talk about in the video a bit, although showing that they don´t quite get it. I was raised as an atheist humanist, but in high school began forays into interfaith spiritual seeking. I now see that I am a prodigal son and that much of Christianity is fraught with the problem of ideological materialism and church denominational doctrinalism. I like what I´ve seen of Brian McLaren for getting an approach for deconstruction. Beyond that, I´ll have to look up Dr. Packer. However, Jesus´ standard of integrity was not about this kind of blind-eye membership "salvation."
@@robinhoodstfrancis I’m not sure I follow your point, but if you’re UU, you’re not a Christian at all. UU believes all lives and all roads lead to “salvation”, a term I put in quotes since UU doesn’t insist on the deity of Christ or the exclusivity of Christ or on sin per se, heaven, hell, or even God. In essence UU believes in everything and nothing and that the difference between the two is of no great import; UU believes Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, atheism, agnosticism, etc, all religions, philosophies, ideologies, and world views lead to the same thing. Christianity, in fact the Bible, allows for no such nonsense, and insists on personal allegiance to a very real Christ and Christ alone for actual salvation from our real sins into a real heaven and from a real damnation in hell.
The East seems to have retained a more formal, visceral or somatic expression of respect for the elderly and for honored persons. In the West, we have become very casual. I suspect someone like CS Lewis or TS Eliot would agree that there is something the West can learn from such Eastern cultural expressions (as long as they retain the exclusivity and deity of Christ in tact). That said, I’m confident the young man felt great respect for JI Packer. We have no such sense of impropriety in the West when it comes to legs being crossed or the direction of a foot.
@@jacquevanlopeznoroff8827 Well, you start by saying one thing, about "not following my point." Then, however, you show that you operate on your own stereotypes and adherence to some specific doctrine that places you in opposition to all kinds of positions that you don´t seem to be paying enough attention to. Before getting into the whole “UU” thing that you followed like some kind of dog on a scent, but suddenly find yourself in touch with leaving a Hollywood studio, or its equivalent megachurch. You might think you can swallow stereotypes, but you just missed when I said that I identify as an interfaith UU Quaker Christian, as I made reference to no one less than the amazing George Fox himself. And Gandhi. Ah, but that´s getting ahead. You dare to talk about Jesus Christ like you carry a club membership and talk about “real sins” like they´re your clothes back from the laundry? A real Heaven and real damnation in an afterlife when you´re just cozy with stereotypes? You would be in a preparatory position to seek Christ, if you were actually a seeker. Instead, you are a poster child for the consequences of judgmentalism. That´s what Matt 7:21 is about, oh high and mighty club member. “Not all those who say 'Lord, Lord' get into the Kingdom of Heaven....those who do the will of my Father in Heaven do.” But, you can´t even grasp that, I´m sure. You think that doesn´t apply to you. Yet, what is “the will of God”? I have been a seeker, and with integrity. Integrity is what matters. Integrity is what Jesus wanted and wants. Integrity is the will of God. Integrity is what identifies the spirit of the letter of loving commandments and applies them over 2000 years of Jesus´ legacy. Not “club membership”, in corporate-consumer echo chambers no less. You spew judgmental talk about damnation and are riding the handbasket with your whole in-group to Hell. Sustainability doesn´t matter to you, just judging anybody and everybody who you think, and who they tell you, doesn´t have Christ, regardless. Unfortunately, Jesus´ greatest legacy is in University-based secular education, that has spread around the world. China, Pakistan, India are among the countries who have used it enough to get nuclear weapons. You and your doctrine might like ideas like the “rapture” because you don´t quite get how you actually serve profiteering corporate businesspeople. You can´t escape the power of non-Christians with nuclear weapons. You are trapped in the real world, and it isn´t your doctrine that´s going to save you. It is the spirit of the letter that led FD Roosevelt to envision the UN and human rights as he overcame conservative businesspeople to wage war with preparation. Those profiteers reacted and have forged your kind of doctrine, and led to Ronald Reagan and the rest of the “free market” mess that goes with your kind of stereotyping. Here, let me give you a short testimony to try to start to communicate to you in your shiny dungeon with a glossy poster of Jesus on the wall. I was raised an atheist humanist by a dad who valued education as he left the Catholic Church for its history of violence. In high school, I found the Chinese Tao in a book by late scholar Huston Smith (an interfaith Christian), and Unitarian Universalist interfaith´s support of spiritual paths. I got my education in Bio Anthropology, and quit intercollegiate sports to do some theater, then to take a Kung Fu class as I also visited a Zen Buddhist temple. While I love UUism´s principles, I found their services to rationalist. Not unlike your own doctrinal rigidity that sounds like “Jesus Ueber alles” as the Nazis said, not Jesus who taught the “Good Samaritan” parable, the Great Banquet parable, the mustard seed parable, for starters.. However, UUism encourages spiritual seeking in their amazing principles, só, I spent my time seeking and valuing UUism from afar. UUism has some principles and sources that have modernized Christianity into modern spiritual seeking. They have made the mistake of deemphasizing Jesus Christ´s role and significance. That´s something I have come to understand clearly. Your reasons about “sin”, “heaven,” and “damnation” have their truth, but your doctrine loses that. UU principles actually get it very accurately, in that people have to learn how to deal with the real world they live in that requires their action. God´s love for you and anyone who seek Him requires that. Not judgmentalism, but integrity. In teaching that, that is what UUism is doing right. And the power that is in University-based education shows, like the nuclear bomb situation, goes further in showing how judgmental doctrines and stereotyping as you do is simply now pretty lost in its treachery for profiteers. Gandhi is the major Christian figure, as he became an interfaith Christian Hindu. Barack Obama rocketed to prominence with his own diverse character. Mohammed Yunus is a Muslim who used his western education to start the pro-poor, pro-women Grameen Bank. It overcame obstacles in Muslim Bangladesh to blanket that country, inspired others, and spread elsewhere, including the US where it´s up to 19 branches. All told, my college/University education had spiritual-religious value, and I asked what that was, and kept seeking. That´s where Christians turning monastic schools into Universities, and the monk Thomas Aquinas are incredibly important to understand the meaning of Jesus´ legacy in truth and spirit. You value Jesus. If you are ready to seek the truth, mark my words and start trying to do the will of Jesus´ Father in Heaven. Otherwise, you´re just a hypocrite like many others, conservatives in their own way, and moderate progressives in theirs.
So many people think they are Christians, when in reality they are in the situation this man was in, prior to his conversion. They believe in Christ in a similar way that maybe fallen spirits believe him, having no personal affiliation with him, but they believe him, and shudder.
I understand the sentiment of drawing closer to Christ and agree with that, but at about 5:56 where he starts to say he was not a Christian, it is starting to sound like, people are not "Christians" until they reach a certain point of maturity. I think that is theologically off. The analogy of John 3 where Jesus says, "you must be born again" is like being born as a baby as a starting point in the faith, with a muster seed of faith. We consider a baby to be a person even before being born into the world, long before they mature as an adult. I think Packer would agree with Justification coming before Sanctification in line with his Reformed Theology, so it makes me wonder why he would say that. God alone really knows who are His, but if someone has a credible profession of Christ, we should recon them as being "saved", and we ourselves should recon that we are saved also at that point, yet be examining ourselves as to how close to Christ we are. What Packer is saying runs very close to salvation by works, like saying, "someday I will a be a Christian when I get good enough". We are never good enough, that is the essence of Christianity. We are ever in need of the savior, and realizing that need makes us want to draw nearer to him. It is God who initiates our salvation and he will finish it, in that we have hope.
An important word in your comment is “credible”. Packer is simply saying he didn’t have a credible confession of Christ. One can worship with the lips without believing in the heart. That is the issue.
Gordon Crawley; I completely agree with you, Gordon. I'm afraid that people like Packer, Piper, MacArthur, Sproul and Gay et al, preach a false gospel of works and 'Lordship salvation'.
@@reza_shak No, Reza, you have changed the 'issue'. Packer actually said that he was NOT a Christian until he got the inner call to holiness. He did NOT say that he wasn't a 'credible' Christian, but that he wasn't a Christian AT ALL. I'm afraid the biggest self- exposing mischief - making of calvinists is the slippery and dishonest word-play and misrepresentation that you have given an example of. You know full well what Packer said, so why are you wifully replacing it with your own voice and pretending that he said what he didn't say? You have taken the word 'credible' from Gordon Crawley's very good comment and inserted it as if Packer said it, while you know he didn't. Seems that you're not able to raise an argument of your own so you have to deliberately misrepresent what was actually said. So sad!
_"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."_
The letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life You even if for argument sake if you keep the law which you do not No man besides Christ has or can Yet if you do believe you do What need do you have for a savior? No man shall be justified by the law Did you receive The Spirit of baptism by Faith or the works of the law
@@jgvtc559 _"shall we _*_SIN_*_ , because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."_ But do you even know what sin is? _"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."_
When Jesus spoke angin to the people He said ,, l Am the light of the word woever folows me will never walk in darknes but will have the light of life Jhon 8: 12 Love christian indonesian
What we need to know and believe: [ABOUT SALVATION: I Cor. 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren (fellow Christians), I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand: By which also you are saved, if you keep in memory what I preached to you, unless you have believed in vain (don't really care). For I delivered to you first of all that which I received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace (from God) are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Rom. 10:9-13 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made to salvation. For scripture says, Whosoever believes on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between Jew and the Greek (Gentiles): for the same Lord over all is rich to all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Joh. 3:16 For God so loved the world (us), that he gave his only begotten Son (Jesus), that whosoever believes in him should not perish (in hell), but have everlasting life (with God). Joh. 14:6 Jesus said to him (us), I am the way (salvation), the truth (trustworthy), and the life (eternal): no man comes to the Father (God), but by me (God the Son). Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:]
The real gospel of grace......a free gift to all mankind.......its what God wants us to know............. 1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain. 1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, believe it and live forever with Jesus............
You mean that Jesus who taught "the Good news for the poor" Luke 4, "as you do to the least of these, you do to me" Matt 25, "go and learn..." Matt 9, "Do good (even if it means breaking unjust rules)" Matt 12:1. Jesus was the Savior. Not Paul, and Paul didn´t turn Jesus into a vain judgmentalist mascot. He referred to Him.
@@robinhoodstfrancis Jesus was born under the law to fulfil the law on the Jewish people's behalf. IT IS FINISHED! The New Cov (NT) starts with Acts 2, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Whether we read a letter from Paul, Peter, James or the letter of Hebrews.. they are ALL from the Holy Spirit, as He inspired these men what to write. 2Tim 3:16,17 Also, the biggest revelation ever was given to Paul.. Christ ín us!! (take note of the last sentence :) 'There is a divine mystery-a secret surprise that has been concealed from the world for generations, but now it’s being revealed, unfolded and manifested for every holy believer to experience. Living within you is the Christ who floods you with the expectation of glory! This mystery of Christ, embedded within us, becomes a heavenly treasure chest of hope filled with the riches of glory for his people, and God wants everyone to know it!' Col 1:26-27
@@eekay5710 Yeah, you mean the Jewish people who he prophesied would be driven out of Jerusalem as happened in 70 AD? He prophesied how they would not get him at that time. "It is finished"? Jesus had left behind a record of his instructions, and taken part in events in fulfilling God´s will to show his execution and Resurrection, to glorify his teachings. So, you think "It is Finished" means, "eh, Jesus is passé". Good luck with that. So, now Paul is your Savior? Good luck with that. Paul wasn´t, and didn´t become the only Apostle. Nor did he say, "Ignore that Christ guy. It is Finished." None of the Apostles did. You better ask who is telling you such nonsense. Jesus taught, "go and learn" Matt 9, and "God will teach. Who listens and learns comes to me (Jesus)" John 6. What you show is how you have swallowed someone´s doctrine and stay under their thumb. Jesus taught, "Shine your light in front of others with good deeds to honor God" Matt 5. All the teachings of Jesus correspond to how modern education was developed, and people who do good helping people. People who are getting rich and talking with no interest in helping, or thinking much at all about the non-rich, are practicing greed and hatred. Good luck with the consequences of your doctrine. Education has already spread around the world, and all kinds of forces are in place to respond to the out of control consequences of the world you think you can´t question, profiteering corporate businesspeople. You have heard it here that you need to question that, and understand why Jesus taught to beware, "the deceitfulness of wealth" Matt 13.
@@robinhoodstfrancis Now hów do you get to thís one !? Did I not clearly said Jesus is the Savior of the world? And did I not clearly said that the entire Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit, regardless whether a letter was written thru the hands of Paul, Peter, John or (who knows who wrote Hebrews) but that excellent letter as well? Are you a Jew, as if you are, I can understand why you are against Paul, but then on the other hand I find it strange that you accept the law-teachings of Jesus, but yes, it's the láw you cling unto, and not Jesus as the Messiah who was prophecied right from Gen 3 !
I wonder if J I Packer misunderstood his own situation. Faith and Discipleship are not the same aspect of our relationship with Christ. It is true that the believer who is led by the Spirit to a full surrender to Christ is indeed blest. But it is through Faith that we become Christians, not through obedience. Lordship salvation is a dangerous teaching. Believers are sanctified progressively, some more quickly than others. In Rom.7, Paul explains the problems he went through as a new believer, (common to every believer). And it is true that if any believer stays in the unawakened mindset of Rom. 7 for year after year, he or she has reason to question their state and position. But when J I Packer says that he wasn't a Christian until his complete surrender, he should perhaps rather say that he was a Christian awaiting the powerful inner call from the Lord for a life of obedience. Calvinism has done so much harm to so many believers.
@Harold Zwingley Any fool can accuse somebody of 'butchery'. You have not given one single reason for making that accusation. You are obviously unable to back up your statement with even a single argument. If you have nothing to say, don't comment.
The Gospel of salvation of our souls: 💜💕💖✨💖❤️💖💖📖✝️🕎💡💡❤️❤️💞💕💕💕💕💕💕For what I received I passed on to you as of [first importance]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time,
Yes, but remember that Jesus himself said in John ch14 v28, ‘…for He (God) is greater than I (Jesus).’I think that in modern times Christianity brings us to rest, whereas it should bring us to war - spiritual war.
You must be born again acts 2.3.8.jesus Christ is god you must have a real revelation of the Godhead nobody can't tell that Jesus is the Christ without the holy spirit father son holy spirit is the lord Jesus Christ this tree are one god Jesaja 9.5.6 please look in the word of God otherwise you wil miss heaven heaven is not a place but a person.heb.13.8
You must be born again to see the kingdom of God (not to be saved). John 3:1-3 The kingdom of God is not a geographic place or something for the future, but 'is in the realm of the Holy Spirit, filled with righteousness, peace and joy'. Rom 14:17 Jesus in John 3:3 'Before a person can perceive God's kingdom realm, they must first experience a rebirth'. (born from above, born from the origin). Due to the cross, we now can 'experience the reality of God's kingdom realm', as the Holy Spirit has been poured out into us. Luke 6:20 Jesus in Luke 17:20,21 God's kingdom realm does not come simply by obeying principles or by waiting for signs. The kingdom is not discovered in one place or another, for God's kingdom realm is already expanding within some of you!
New Christian (5 years). First time watching your content and new to Mr. Packer also. This short clip did more for me spiritually than many other sermons regarding having a relationship with God. I'm so incredibly impressed with this Gentleman. To God be the Glory. God bless Him and have him in His Glory. Thank you for uploading this.
What a privilege to speak with Packer, thank you for sharing this. One of my early assignments in Theology was to Wright a summary of Knowing God, by JI Packer. Knowing that he is as more conservative and myself being more full gospel Pentecostal, I was determined to find fault with this work-oh my arrogant and prideful self. I scoured through every word of the book and could not find a single fault, but ended with utter admiration for his soul expression in Knowing God.
Great testimony. I never get tired of hearing individual stories!
To God be the Glory! Amen ✡✝
The rapture is man made doctrine
And the star of remphan is demonic
Really study scripture
Amen and Amein.
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Lately when I’m walking I talk to God. I’ve come to realize that I love Him but I also “like” Him very much. I often tell Him that everything He does is so perfect so miraculous wonderful I’m at a loss for words.
amen
speechless over Him
amen
Glory to God. The revelation and wisdom of God entrusted to this precious servant of the Lord is deeply profound. True humility. Bless the Lord. Thank you brother for sharing with us your incredibly special face to face and heart to heart encounter. God bless you
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Thank you for this. What a great man and now He is together with the Lord forever.
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Wow, am reading his Knowing God. Amazing book! Thank you, dr. Packer. God bless you sir, and Mark.
Yes, it’s a classic one of my favorite too, it’s so deep
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thank you for this interview. I am deeply inspired by what I heard JI Packer said.
His love and justice is how our moral standard was born. I enjoy His strength so much especially His long-suffering toward us
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Knowing God is the greatest book I ever read and have read it every June for 30 years. Have bnought it for many pastors. Highly recommend, as did RC Sproul and Billy Graham
Thnx for sharing, will get the book as well :)
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It is the greatest blessing for anyone is to be a Christian believer because Jesus has promised eternal life (St.John 10:28). All Christian believers will reign with Jesus when he returns to judge and rule this World (St.Mathew 25:31to 34).
Yes, very interesting conversation! Thank you, for sharing.
Glory to our Lord Jesus for ever amen
Absolutely to Love Jesus for who He is and never changes, always true, faithful and Savior and friend and brother.❤️
Total Acceptance and Total Trust of God=Complete Faith
Without the full acceptance of God and his Character/Being our Faith is shallow.
Without fully trusting him we make him out to be a Liar and the Truth is not in us.
There is much more to our Faith, but these 2 things are essential for our Faith to spring forth to Life and become Fruitful.
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Dear God💗❤️♥️💕💕💕💕❤️💞🙏in heaven, I come to you in the name of Jesus. I acknowledge to You that I am a sinner, and I am sorry for my sins and the , life that I have lived; I need your forgiveness.
I believe that your only begotten Son Jesus Christ shed His precious blood on the cross at Calvary and died for my sins, and I am now willing to turn from my sin.
You said in the bible that if we confess the Lord our God and believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, we shall be saved.
Right now I confess Jesus as my Lord. With my heart, I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead. This very moment I accept Jesus Christ as my own personal Savior and according to His Word, right now I am saved. Amen.
I am an Indian Christian from the city of Bangalore. Maybe it is my cultural upbringin, but I really feel the need to point out something. If I were you sitting next to Dr Packer, I would never sit with one leg upon the other, I would sit with the legs apart, lean forward and ask questions. Sitting cross legged is a mark of disrespect before a man of such greatness. You guys in the west need to learn a few things from the east. This shouldn't be an interview but an opportunity to absorb wisdom from a man who has impacted the world with his wisdom and writing
It´s an interesting point you raise. Certainly worth considering. Still, I identify my Christianity taking from Unitarian Universalism´s advanced modern approach as an interfaith association, an interfaith UU Quaker Christian, aka Gandhian Christian. George Fox had little education even with a prosperous father north of London in the 1600s as he led the co-founding of Quaker-Friendism. He reduced worship to silent meditative waiting on the Inner Light of Christ for God, that sparked him in stopping bowing to aristocrats, valuing individuals and women, and protesting injustices. That is the ultimate implication of loving Jesus as they talk about in the video a bit, although showing that they don´t quite get it.
I was raised as an atheist humanist, but in high school began forays into interfaith spiritual seeking. I now see that I am a prodigal son and that much of Christianity is fraught with the problem of ideological materialism and church denominational doctrinalism. I like what I´ve seen of Brian McLaren for getting an approach for deconstruction.
Beyond that, I´ll have to look up Dr. Packer. However, Jesus´ standard of integrity was not about this kind of blind-eye membership "salvation."
Yes, we are far too informal here. Thank you for pointing this out.
@@robinhoodstfrancis I’m not sure I follow your point, but if you’re UU, you’re not a Christian at all. UU believes all lives and all roads lead to “salvation”, a term I put in quotes since UU doesn’t insist on the deity of Christ or the exclusivity of Christ or on sin per se, heaven, hell, or even God. In essence UU believes in everything and nothing and that the difference between the two is of no great import; UU believes Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, atheism, agnosticism, etc, all religions, philosophies, ideologies, and world views lead to the same thing. Christianity, in fact the Bible, allows for no such nonsense, and insists on personal allegiance to a very real Christ and Christ alone for actual salvation from our real sins into a real heaven and from a real damnation in hell.
The East seems to have retained a more formal, visceral or somatic expression of respect for the elderly and for honored persons. In the West, we have become very casual. I suspect someone like CS Lewis or TS Eliot would agree that there is something the West can learn from such Eastern cultural expressions (as long as they retain the exclusivity and deity of Christ in tact). That said, I’m confident the young man felt great respect for JI Packer. We have no such sense of impropriety in the West when it comes to legs being crossed or the direction of a foot.
@@jacquevanlopeznoroff8827 Well, you start by saying one thing, about "not following my point." Then, however, you show that you operate on your own stereotypes and adherence to some specific doctrine that places you in opposition to all kinds of positions that you don´t seem to be paying enough attention to.
Before getting into the whole “UU” thing that you followed like some kind of dog on a scent, but suddenly find yourself in touch with leaving a Hollywood studio, or its equivalent megachurch.
You might think you can swallow stereotypes, but you just missed when I said that I identify as an interfaith UU Quaker Christian, as I made reference to no one less than the amazing George Fox himself. And Gandhi. Ah, but that´s getting ahead.
You dare to talk about Jesus Christ like you carry a club membership and talk about “real sins” like they´re your clothes back from the laundry? A real Heaven and real damnation in an afterlife when you´re just cozy with stereotypes? You would be in a preparatory position to seek Christ, if you were actually a seeker. Instead, you are a poster child for the consequences of judgmentalism. That´s what Matt 7:21 is about, oh high and mighty club member. “Not all those who say 'Lord, Lord' get into the Kingdom of Heaven....those who do the will of my Father in Heaven do.” But, you can´t even grasp that, I´m sure. You think that doesn´t apply to you. Yet, what is “the will of God”?
I have been a seeker, and with integrity. Integrity is what matters. Integrity is what Jesus wanted and wants. Integrity is the will of God. Integrity is what identifies the spirit of the letter of loving commandments and applies them over 2000 years of Jesus´ legacy. Not “club membership”, in corporate-consumer echo chambers no less. You spew judgmental talk about damnation and are riding the handbasket with your whole in-group to Hell. Sustainability doesn´t matter to you, just judging anybody and everybody who you think, and who they tell you, doesn´t have Christ, regardless. Unfortunately, Jesus´ greatest legacy is in University-based secular education, that has spread around the world. China, Pakistan, India are among the countries who have used it enough to get nuclear weapons.
You and your doctrine might like ideas like the “rapture” because you don´t quite get how you actually serve profiteering corporate businesspeople. You can´t escape the power of non-Christians with nuclear weapons. You are trapped in the real world, and it isn´t your doctrine that´s going to save you. It is the spirit of the letter that led FD Roosevelt to envision the UN and human rights as he overcame conservative businesspeople to wage war with preparation. Those profiteers reacted and have forged your kind of doctrine, and led to Ronald Reagan and the rest of the “free market” mess that goes with your kind of stereotyping.
Here, let me give you a short testimony to try to start to communicate to you in your shiny dungeon with a glossy poster of Jesus on the wall.
I was raised an atheist humanist by a dad who valued education as he left the Catholic Church for its history of violence. In high school, I found the Chinese Tao in a book by late scholar Huston Smith (an interfaith Christian), and Unitarian Universalist interfaith´s support of spiritual paths.
I got my education in Bio Anthropology, and quit intercollegiate sports to do some theater, then to take a Kung Fu class as I also visited a Zen Buddhist temple. While I love UUism´s principles, I found their services to rationalist. Not unlike your own doctrinal rigidity that sounds like “Jesus Ueber alles” as the Nazis said, not Jesus who taught the “Good Samaritan” parable, the Great Banquet parable, the mustard seed parable, for starters.. However, UUism encourages spiritual seeking in their amazing principles, só, I spent my time seeking and valuing UUism from afar.
UUism has some principles and sources that have modernized Christianity into modern spiritual seeking. They have made the mistake of deemphasizing Jesus Christ´s role and significance. That´s something I have come to understand clearly. Your reasons about “sin”, “heaven,” and “damnation” have their truth, but your doctrine loses that. UU principles actually get it very accurately, in that people have to learn how to deal with the real world they live in that requires their action. God´s love for you and anyone who seek Him requires that. Not judgmentalism, but integrity. In teaching that, that is what UUism is doing right.
And the power that is in University-based education shows, like the nuclear bomb situation, goes further in showing how judgmental doctrines and stereotyping as you do is simply now pretty lost in its treachery for profiteers. Gandhi is the major Christian figure, as he became an interfaith Christian Hindu. Barack Obama rocketed to prominence with his own diverse character. Mohammed Yunus is a Muslim who used his western education to start the pro-poor, pro-women Grameen Bank. It overcame obstacles in Muslim Bangladesh to blanket that country, inspired others, and spread elsewhere, including the US where it´s up to 19 branches.
All told, my college/University education had spiritual-religious value, and I asked what that was, and kept seeking. That´s where Christians turning monastic schools into Universities, and the monk Thomas Aquinas are incredibly important to understand the meaning of Jesus´ legacy in truth and spirit.
You value Jesus. If you are ready to seek the truth, mark my words and start trying to do the will of Jesus´ Father in Heaven. Otherwise, you´re just a hypocrite like many others, conservatives in their own way, and moderate progressives in theirs.
Thank you
So many people think they are Christians, when in reality they are in the situation this man was in, prior to his conversion. They believe in Christ in a similar way that maybe fallen spirits believe him, having no personal affiliation with him, but they believe him, and shudder.
Do you still live on earth, brother? I translated your book ( Knowing God) in Bangla.
I understand the sentiment of drawing closer to Christ and agree with that, but at about 5:56 where he starts to say he was not a Christian, it is starting to sound like, people are not "Christians" until they reach a certain point of maturity. I think that is theologically off. The analogy of John 3 where Jesus says, "you must be born again" is like being born as a baby as a starting point in the faith, with a muster seed of faith. We consider a baby to be a person even before being born into the world, long before they mature as an adult. I think Packer would agree with Justification coming before Sanctification in line with his Reformed Theology, so it makes me wonder why he would say that. God alone really knows who are His, but if someone has a credible profession of Christ, we should recon them as being "saved", and we ourselves should recon that we are saved also at that point, yet be examining ourselves as to how close to Christ we are. What Packer is saying runs very close to salvation by works, like saying, "someday I will a be a Christian when I get good enough". We are never good enough, that is the essence of Christianity. We are ever in need of the savior, and realizing that need makes us want to draw nearer to him. It is God who initiates our salvation and he will finish it, in that we have hope.
An important word in your comment is “credible”. Packer is simply saying he didn’t have a credible confession of Christ. One can worship with the lips without believing in the heart. That is the issue.
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Reckon not recon
Gordon Crawley; I completely agree with you, Gordon. I'm afraid that people like Packer, Piper, MacArthur, Sproul and Gay et al, preach a false gospel of works and 'Lordship salvation'.
@@reza_shak No, Reza, you have changed the 'issue'. Packer actually said that he was NOT a Christian until he got the inner call to holiness. He did NOT say that he wasn't a 'credible' Christian, but that he wasn't a Christian AT ALL. I'm afraid the biggest self- exposing mischief - making of calvinists is the slippery and dishonest word-play and misrepresentation that you have given an example of. You know full well what Packer said, so why are you wifully replacing it with your own voice and pretending that he said what he didn't say? You have taken the word 'credible' from Gordon Crawley's very good comment and inserted it as if Packer said it, while you know he didn't. Seems that you're not able to raise an argument of your own so you have to deliberately misrepresent what was actually said. So sad!
Praise God
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_"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."_
The letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life
You even if for argument sake if you keep the law which you do not
No man besides Christ has or can
Yet if you do believe you do
What need do you have for a savior?
No man shall be justified by the law
Did you receive The Spirit of baptism by Faith or the works of the law
@@jgvtc559 _"shall we _*_SIN_*_ , because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."_
But do you even know what sin is? _"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."_
I sure wish to know where I may find the Scripture Verses in the Bible, that anyone has posted. Please & many Thanks.
@@imcat-holic10 Matthew 5:17
@@imcat-holic10 1 Epistle of John 3:4
I''m going to read, "Knowing God" for the 4th time!!
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When Jesus spoke angin to the people He said ,, l Am the light of the word
woever folows me will never walk in darknes
but will have the light of life
Jhon 8: 12
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What we need to know and believe: [ABOUT SALVATION: I Cor. 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren (fellow Christians), I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand: By which also you are saved, if you keep in memory what I preached to you, unless you have believed in vain (don't really care). For I delivered to you first of all that which I received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace (from God) are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Rom. 10:9-13 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made to salvation. For scripture says, Whosoever believes on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between Jew and the Greek (Gentiles): for the same Lord over all is rich to all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Joh. 3:16 For God so loved the world (us), that he gave his only begotten Son (Jesus), that whosoever believes in him should not perish (in hell), but have everlasting life (with God). Joh. 14:6 Jesus said to him (us), I am the way (salvation), the truth (trustworthy), and the life (eternal): no man comes to the Father (God), but by me (God the Son). Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:]
The real gospel of grace......a free gift to all mankind.......its what God wants us to know.............
1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
believe it and live forever with Jesus............
You mean that Jesus who taught "the Good news for the poor" Luke 4, "as you do to the least of these, you do to me" Matt 25, "go and learn..." Matt 9, "Do good (even if it means breaking unjust rules)" Matt 12:1. Jesus was the Savior. Not Paul, and Paul didn´t turn Jesus into a vain judgmentalist mascot. He referred to Him.
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Jesus was born under the law to fulfil the law on the Jewish people's behalf. IT IS FINISHED!
The New Cov (NT) starts with Acts 2, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
Whether we read a letter from Paul, Peter, James or the letter of Hebrews.. they are ALL from the Holy Spirit, as He inspired these men what to write. 2Tim 3:16,17
Also, the biggest revelation ever was given to Paul.. Christ ín us!! (take note of the last sentence :)
'There is a divine mystery-a secret surprise that has been concealed from the world for generations, but now it’s being revealed, unfolded and manifested for every holy believer to experience. Living within you is the Christ who floods you with the expectation of glory! This mystery of Christ, embedded within us, becomes a heavenly treasure chest of hope filled with the riches of glory for his people, and God wants everyone to know it!' Col 1:26-27
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You said 'Jesus was the Savior'. He ís the Savior of the world! John 3:16,17
@@eekay5710 Yeah, you mean the Jewish people who he prophesied would be driven out of Jerusalem as happened in 70 AD? He prophesied how they would not get him at that time.
"It is finished"? Jesus had left behind a record of his instructions, and taken part in events in fulfilling God´s will to show his execution and Resurrection, to glorify his teachings. So, you think "It is Finished" means, "eh, Jesus is passé".
Good luck with that. So, now Paul is your Savior? Good luck with that.
Paul wasn´t, and didn´t become the only Apostle.
Nor did he say, "Ignore that Christ guy. It is Finished." None of the Apostles did. You better ask who is telling you such nonsense.
Jesus taught, "go and learn" Matt 9, and "God will teach. Who listens and learns comes to me (Jesus)" John 6.
What you show is how you have swallowed someone´s doctrine and stay under their thumb. Jesus taught, "Shine your light in front of others with good deeds to honor God" Matt 5. All the teachings of Jesus correspond to how modern education was developed, and people who do good helping people. People who are getting rich and talking with no interest in helping, or thinking much at all about the non-rich, are practicing greed and hatred.
Good luck with the consequences of your doctrine.
Education has already spread around the world, and all kinds of forces are in place to respond to the out of control consequences of the world you think you can´t question, profiteering corporate businesspeople.
You have heard it here that you need to question that, and understand why Jesus taught to beware, "the deceitfulness of wealth" Matt 13.
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Now hów do you get to thís one !? Did I not clearly said Jesus is the Savior of the world? And did I not clearly said that the entire Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit, regardless whether a letter was written thru the hands of Paul, Peter, John or (who knows who wrote Hebrews) but that excellent letter as well?
Are you a Jew, as if you are, I can understand why you are against Paul, but then on the other hand I find it strange that you accept the law-teachings of Jesus, but yes, it's the láw you cling unto, and not Jesus as the Messiah who was prophecied right from Gen 3 !
Praise God and thank you Jesus for this message but, who the heck is JI Packer??
Good point. Hope people get it.
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I wonder if J I Packer misunderstood his own situation. Faith and Discipleship are not the same aspect of our relationship with Christ. It is true that the believer who is led by the Spirit to a full surrender to Christ is indeed blest. But it is through Faith that we become Christians, not through obedience. Lordship salvation is a dangerous teaching. Believers are sanctified progressively, some more quickly than others. In Rom.7, Paul explains the problems he went through as a new believer, (common to every believer). And it is true that if any believer stays in the unawakened mindset of Rom. 7 for year after year, he or she has reason to question their state and position. But when J I Packer says that he wasn't a Christian until his complete surrender, he should perhaps rather say that he was a Christian awaiting the powerful inner call from the Lord for a life of obedience. Calvinism has done so much harm to so many believers.
@Harold Zwingley Any fool can accuse somebody of 'butchery'. You have not given one single reason for making that accusation. You are obviously unable to back up your statement with even a single argument. If you have nothing to say, don't comment.
I don't know who is the person sitting beside JI Packer Sir, but could you please sit with respect infront of him, atleast respect his age please?
I also want that.
Make use of His invitation.. 'Whosoever will come.. eat and drink..'
Read the letter of John 👌🔥
The Gospel of salvation of our souls: 💜💕💖✨💖❤️💖💖📖✝️🕎💡💡❤️❤️💞💕💕💕💕💕💕For what I received I passed on to you as of [first importance]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time,
Yes, but remember that Jesus himself said in John ch14 v28, ‘…for He (God) is greater than I (Jesus).’I think that in modern times Christianity brings us to rest, whereas it should bring us to war - spiritual war.
No, he said 'My Father is greater than I'.
@Harold Zwingley Another empty comment!
You must be born again acts 2.3.8.jesus Christ is god you must have a real revelation of the Godhead nobody can't tell that Jesus is the Christ without the holy spirit father son holy spirit is the lord Jesus Christ this tree are one god Jesaja 9.5.6 please look in the word of God otherwise you wil miss heaven heaven is not a place but a person.heb.13.8
You must be born again to see the kingdom of God (not to be saved). John 3:1-3
The kingdom of God is not a geographic place or something for the future, but 'is in the realm of the Holy Spirit, filled with righteousness, peace and joy'. Rom 14:17
Jesus in John 3:3 'Before a person can perceive God's kingdom realm, they must first experience a rebirth'. (born from above, born from the origin).
Due to the cross, we now can 'experience the reality of God's kingdom realm', as the Holy Spirit has been poured out into us. Luke 6:20
Jesus in Luke 17:20,21
God's kingdom realm does not come simply by obeying principles or by waiting for signs. The kingdom is not discovered in one place or another, for God's kingdom realm is already expanding within some of you!