I saw an ex-Swiss G13 during my 2009 trip to Europe at the Musee de L' Abri. Lets all salute the Swiss for being thoughtful thus preserving so many of these historic vehicles. I owned a donated example and served on another that was gifted to the Patton Museum in Fort Know, which has since been moved , the vehicle not the museum. I believe another original is in the USA in Oregon or Washington State. A ex-G13 is in Chicago that belongs to the 2nd Pz. Div. re-enactment, another is at the Nimitz museum in Texas, another that is in the National Museum of Military vehicles in Wyoming. Here is a bit of Universal Carrier trivia: The Swiss Army bought quite a few of the USA Ford produced T16 Universal Carriers after the war. The Swiss transformed these into infantry squad carriers. After these were declared obsolete they sold most of them to the US firm of Southeastern Equipment Co. in Augusta, Georgia. (Late 1960s or early 1970s.) SECO modified these into their "SCAT" vehicle, a go anywhere go-for vehicle for the logging industry. Far sighted collectors bought them for what they were. Back to our subject. The Swiss were so enamored with the Hetzer's track design with its end cap (bushing like) and split pin retainer, that they modified all their T16 carriers to mimic the Hetzer track. Yes, adding an end cap and hole for a split pin on every track link! To do this required shortening the outside end of the track to allow space for the bushing like end cap. I can speak with some authority regarding both Hetzers and T16s. The original prototype had a muzzle brake. It was removed during trails. Why? As the gun is so lowly mounted and projects out so far, it interferes with the 'Angel of Approach'. Lay a ruler on the forward section of the track using a side image. The length of the barrel is a problem. Add another foot in length with a muzzle brake adds to the problem. The Swiss were less concerned with the angle and wanted the brakes as it lessens the stress to the recoil system.
If it looks like a duck and it waddles like a duck. It's probably is a duck ( Hetzer ) ! Great video my friend ! I've always found it inspiring to see videos of restoration of the vehicles of WWII. The only thing I like better is watching the recovery of one. Keep up your good work my friend !
There is another G13 that was part of the Texas Military History Museum on Camp Mabry in Austin, TX, owned by the Texas State Guard. We used to be allowed to use it for WWII reenactments on Muster Day at Camp Mabry and tacticals at Camp Swift by Bastrop. It was restored mostly by the TMHS 2.SS Panzer Division ,,Das Reich"
Swiss G13s were, for the most part, made during WWII. Most every part has original German wartime Waffenamt stamps and three letter manufacture codes. The exG13 that I owned for twenty years even had the three letter code for Ruhr Stahl and Waffenamt eagle stamp on the front glacis plate. These were at the factory when the war ended. The Swiss bought about 150 of them from the new (Czech) management. They were assembled after the war. As the Jagdpanzer 38t hulls were made in Germany, it is safe to consider that no Hetzer hull was produced in Czechoslovakia after the war. Did the factory make some parts to complete the units following the war? Probably. Does this mean that they were not made during the war? Not to me? They were made during the war for the most parts. Assembled post-war, yes. The Swiss wanted some changes. Whether these changes were done when they were assembled, before delivery to Switzerland, or done in Switzerland later is not known by me. Things like mounting the spare road wheel on the side, converting the remote MG mount, installing post-war US made radio equipment. Most noticeably was the choice to mount the muzzle brake on the German Pak 39. To do this required installing a counter weight (welded) to the back end of the guns safety cage. The Swiss also moved the commander to the left rear. I believe the Swiss may have added the escape hatch on the floor under the gunner's seat. During WWII, the German tank commander sat on the right directly behind the main gun. All the parts of the main gun also had Waffenampt markings. They were not made in Switzerland. Interestingly, the original mockup and prototype had a muzzle brake. They soon discovered that the low slung main gun could be detrimental to the vehicle's angle of approach. Adding another foot in length at the muzzle made this worse. Ergo, the Wehrmacht opted to adopt the vehicles sans the brake. I personally experienced the Hetzer's problem regarding angle of approach when we jammed the 75mm gun muzzle into an embankment at a fil day at the Patton Museum of Armor & Cavalry back in the olden days. Thank goodness the Swiss were openminded and as a result a lot were saved for preservation. Most displayed, including the one from the Patton Museum collection, were transformed into WWII appearance, first of which is the removal of the muzzle brake. But, if you do not also remove the counter weight at the gun's safety cage, you will have great difficulty depressing the gun-the mount is that finely balanced! Read more about it in my book, A BRIDGE TO TIME, A Re-enactor's Journey. I am the founder of WWII re-enacting. Both the Patton Museum's and my example still had the original gasoline engine.
The spare antenna mount is typical of a WW2 Hetzer (i don't think they are on the G13, but Im not sure). Its near impossible to find pics of them WITH antennas in them though, and your video is the best reference ive seen of them in use - so thanks for sharing!
I'm curious about the "rubber" on the road wheels, was this actual rubber? I've heard it was scarce in 44 45. So what did Skoda use? Was it synthetic or did they have adequate supplies of actual rubber? Also if anyone knows of a 1/35 scale kit w full interior and engine please comment. TY
Ordering Leather seats and a diesel engine for your car, does not make it a different car. It just has different options on it. The only difference between this and a "Hetzer" is what year is was made. You can argue both ways, but that pile of parts doesn't care what you call it, only you do ;)
the G13 is a lot more different then the ww2 Jagdpanzer, it had a different gun, engine, hull( for escape hatch ) antenna and spare wheel mountings, idler wheels, top deck plates, ventilation, exhaust and mountings for a antenna and spare-wheels. So you can pick a Sav m/43 or G13 body and make it into a Jagdpanzer, Marder or Panzer 38t, still is a build up thing to make it look like something it's not and some even call that a replica.
If this tank was an ex-Swiss G13, then there was no need to replace the engine. The swiss replaced the original gasoline engine with an V8-Sulzer-Diesel. Yes, the same company that was making the famous ship diesels. This engine couldn't be broken and it was very ecconomical. The G13 had a smaller fueltank but a greater range because of the diesel.
Surrlibrumm yeah you don't understand the power of a French Engine, for the French side of Belgium. They would probably replace the whole tank if Renault would make it. LoL
Ik hoop dat iemand mij dingen kan vertellen in Overloon. Want ik heb nog steeds geen idee van wat is wat. Sorry ik ben ww2 voertuig of wapen expert/ nerd. Ik herken alleen de grote lijnen en niet de details. Het zou mooi wezen om bijv het verschil te kunnen zien tussen de Panther A D en G (incl vroege en late uitvoeringen). Toch vind ik alle korte filmpjes behoorlijk specifiek. Nog een voorbeeld... Er zijn tig filmpjes over de StuG III (en IV). Maar bijna niemand van deze youtubers die aangeeft of het voorbij rijdende voertuig een F of G uitvoering was. Ik weet alleen dat de eerste lijnen tot serie B (en misschien C) een korte kanon hadden. De StuH (42) is weer een verhaal apart.
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Your Video was so Well focused and clear I could almost smell that Fresh paint, Another Great Video. KEEP UP the Great Work.
Thank you John, it was really cold and hard to keep focus
I saw an ex-Swiss G13 during my 2009 trip to Europe at the Musee de L' Abri. Lets all salute the Swiss for being thoughtful thus preserving so many of these historic vehicles. I owned a donated example and served on another that was gifted to the Patton Museum in Fort Know, which has since been moved , the vehicle not the museum. I believe another original is in the USA in Oregon or Washington State. A ex-G13 is in Chicago that belongs to the 2nd Pz. Div. re-enactment, another is at the Nimitz museum in Texas, another that is in the National Museum of Military vehicles in Wyoming. Here is a bit of Universal Carrier trivia: The Swiss Army bought quite a few of the USA Ford produced T16 Universal Carriers after the war. The Swiss transformed these into infantry squad carriers. After these were declared obsolete they sold most of them to the US firm of Southeastern Equipment Co. in Augusta, Georgia. (Late 1960s or early 1970s.) SECO modified these into their "SCAT" vehicle, a go anywhere go-for vehicle for the logging industry. Far sighted collectors bought them for what they were. Back to our subject. The Swiss were so enamored with the Hetzer's track design with its end cap (bushing like) and split pin retainer, that they modified all their T16 carriers to mimic the Hetzer track. Yes, adding an end cap and hole for a split pin on every track link! To do this required shortening the outside end of the track to allow space for the bushing like end cap. I can speak with some authority regarding both Hetzers and T16s.
The original prototype had a muzzle brake. It was removed during trails. Why? As the gun is so lowly mounted and projects out so far, it interferes with the 'Angel of Approach'. Lay a ruler on the forward section of the track using a side image. The length of the barrel is a problem. Add another foot in length with a muzzle brake adds to the problem. The Swiss were less concerned with the angle and wanted the brakes as it lessens the stress to the recoil system.
Thank you for the intresting information.
If it looks like a duck and it waddles like a duck. It's probably is a duck ( Hetzer ) !
Great video my friend ! I've always found it inspiring to see videos of restoration of the vehicles of WWII. The only thing I like better is watching the recovery of one. Keep up your good work my friend !
Ennis Anderson thank you and they should have called it the Duck.
Great restoration....thanks for sharing
Car Dreams in Styrene thank you for your comment
Great! Also, nice to see your channel so professional
Melfius thank you
Its finished 👏🏻😱😱
Great looking resto, still a G13, but who cares, another running tank to add to their vast collection.
Phil Dunn indeed, it's nice to see a good restored Jagdpanzer
There is another G13 that was part of the Texas Military History Museum on Camp Mabry in Austin, TX, owned by the Texas State Guard. We used to be allowed to use it for WWII reenactments on Muster Day at Camp Mabry and tacticals at Camp Swift by Bastrop. It was restored mostly by the TMHS 2.SS Panzer Division ,,Das Reich"
Swiss G13s were, for the most part, made during WWII. Most every part has original German wartime Waffenamt stamps and three letter manufacture codes. The exG13 that I owned for twenty years even had the three letter code for Ruhr Stahl and Waffenamt eagle stamp on the front glacis plate. These were at the factory when the war ended. The Swiss bought about 150 of them from the new (Czech) management. They were assembled after the war. As the Jagdpanzer 38t hulls were made in Germany, it is safe to consider that no Hetzer hull was produced in Czechoslovakia after the war. Did the factory make some parts to complete the units following the war? Probably. Does this mean that they were not made during the war? Not to me? They were made during the war for the most parts. Assembled post-war, yes. The Swiss wanted some changes. Whether these changes were done when they were assembled, before delivery to Switzerland, or done in Switzerland later is not known by me. Things like mounting the spare road wheel on the side, converting the remote MG mount, installing post-war US made radio equipment. Most noticeably was the choice to mount the muzzle brake on the German Pak 39. To do this required installing a counter weight (welded) to the back end of the guns safety cage. The Swiss also moved the commander to the left rear. I believe the Swiss may have added the escape hatch on the floor under the gunner's seat. During WWII, the German tank commander sat on the right directly behind the main gun. All the parts of the main gun also had Waffenampt markings. They were not made in Switzerland.
Interestingly, the original mockup and prototype had a muzzle brake. They soon discovered that the low slung main gun could be detrimental to the vehicle's angle of approach. Adding another foot in length at the muzzle made this worse. Ergo, the Wehrmacht opted to adopt the vehicles sans the brake. I personally experienced the Hetzer's problem regarding angle of approach when we jammed the 75mm gun muzzle into an embankment at a fil day at the Patton Museum of Armor & Cavalry back in the olden days. Thank goodness the Swiss were openminded and as a result a lot were saved for preservation. Most displayed, including the one from the Patton Museum collection, were transformed into WWII appearance, first of which is the removal of the muzzle brake. But, if you do not also remove the counter weight at the gun's safety cage, you will have great difficulty depressing the gun-the mount is that finely balanced! Read more about it in my book, A BRIDGE TO TIME, A Re-enactor's Journey. I am the founder of WWII re-enacting. Both the Patton Museum's and my example still had the original gasoline engine.
The spare antenna mount is typical of a WW2 Hetzer (i don't think they are on the G13, but Im not sure). Its near impossible to find pics of them WITH antennas in them though, and your video is the best reference ive seen of them in use - so thanks for sharing!
I used to called this a lunch box .
Joseph Stalin Mr Coin lol
Great video man.
oodyswe thank you
I'm glad after the war they bought some hetzers. Otherwise then most hetzers in museums wouldn't exist
Red Noob probably only 5.
I want to build my self a 1/2 scale Tiger II. Ride it around and take it to shows and stuff.
very cool
btw g13 idler wheels have 8 holes just wanted to point that out.
Sat Kum thank you, I was a little bit confused about that.
Small but effective
GrandTheftGaming they were horrible tanks in real life.
Panzer Picture I thought they were an improvement to the StuG’s
They call that hunter pather.
I'm curious about the "rubber" on the road wheels, was this actual rubber? I've heard it was scarce in 44 45. So what did Skoda use? Was it synthetic or did they have adequate supplies of actual rubber? Also if anyone knows of a 1/35 scale kit w full interior and engine please comment. TY
Canadian Forces Base Borden. You left out the name of the base.
Tygerhart you're right. Thank you
Ordering Leather seats and a diesel engine for your car, does not make it a different car. It just has different options on it. The only difference between this and a "Hetzer" is what year is was made. You can argue both ways, but that pile of parts doesn't care what you call it, only you do ;)
the G13 is a lot more different then the ww2 Jagdpanzer, it had a different gun, engine, hull( for escape hatch ) antenna and spare wheel mountings, idler wheels, top deck plates, ventilation, exhaust and mountings for a antenna and spare-wheels.
So you can pick a Sav m/43 or G13 body and make it into a Jagdpanzer, Marder or Panzer 38t, still is a build up thing to make it look like something it's not and some even call that a replica.
Hetza!
If this tank was an ex-Swiss G13, then there was no need to replace the engine. The swiss replaced the original gasoline engine with an V8-Sulzer-Diesel. Yes, the same company that was making the famous ship diesels. This engine couldn't be broken and it was very ecconomical. The G13 had a smaller fueltank but a greater range because of the diesel.
Surrlibrumm yeah you don't understand the power of a French Engine, for the French side of Belgium. They would probably replace the whole tank if Renault would make it. LoL
I prefere the jagdpanther
Ik hoop dat iemand mij dingen kan vertellen in Overloon. Want ik heb nog steeds geen idee van wat is wat. Sorry ik ben ww2 voertuig of wapen expert/ nerd. Ik herken alleen de grote lijnen en niet de details. Het zou mooi wezen om bijv het verschil te kunnen zien tussen de Panther A D en G (incl vroege en late uitvoeringen).
Toch vind ik alle korte filmpjes behoorlijk specifiek. Nog een voorbeeld... Er zijn tig filmpjes over de StuG III (en IV). Maar bijna niemand van deze youtubers die aangeeft of het voorbij rijdende voertuig een F of G uitvoering was. Ik weet alleen dat de eerste lijnen tot serie B (en misschien C) een korte kanon hadden.
De StuH (42) is weer een verhaal apart.
Doom turtle
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