BATHROOM REFIT-CUTTING A SKIBIDI TOILET PAN..CAN IT BE DONE? Part 2- 1st fix done
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2022
- Real world plumbing carries on at the bathroom renovation as I attempt to trim the side from a back to the wall pan to allow access for the waste pipe.... this what we have to do sometimes in the real world of plumbing
Also we get the shower tray fitted and the plasterer turns up at the wrong house…..
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When the customer wants a back to the wall pan but you need the side entry space for the waste pipe……. This is what needs to be done in the real world…🙌🏼🙌🏼
So just to clarify some pointers as I know they will come up-
The pan is still strong enough to use, it’s not an issue.
The customer made the decision to try it.
Moisture boards are fine to use.
The tiler is tanking the area before it’s tiled.
The holes in the ceiling have now been covered over with the new ceiling…. Told you🤣
Please get subscribed to the channel…. Exciting news is coming very soon😉😉
Had to do it a couple of times. Bit nerve racking doing it but it works a treat!
You’ve got more balls than me Mark, in all my time as a plumber I’ve never seen that cutting out of the pan. I know I would never have considered it never mind carried it out. Fair play pal.
Score the plaster boards on one side, snap n fold, carry up stairs, unfold, install...lovely old job
Fabulous upload.
For any novices......
Do not notch out more than 1/3 of the joist.
Shower wastes can be a pain in the ass.
Thanks mate….. sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do
Fair play, been doing this game 18 years now, had this problem many times, always made the customer buy a new WC, never thought of cutting it!
Yep, we spoke and they were going to if this didn’t work. I’ve done it a few times over the years and it’s never been an issue👍🏼👍🏼
It’s refreshing to see a TH-cam plumber showing how it really is on jobs.
I joke with my Apprentice if we are doing a MJ or a PB on instagram. Last weeks leaking shower was a full floor up (tiled) and new joists due to rot.
🤣🤣🤣….. love it mate…
We’ve all done them jobs where the whole floor is rotten to the core!!!!
Excellent, well done cutting the side of the pan out. Great work as always, I’m looking forward to the next episode. Have a great week, take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Great job! Still loving the details of the smallest of things that you pay attention to and double/tripe waterproofing is superior excellence. Waiting for next part! 👍🙂
Thankyou buddy 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Would never have thought of doing that, really intersting - thanks for the info and video!
Thanks for watching mate 👍🏼👍🏼
MJ Tiff best plumber content on TH-cam by far🔥🔥
Thanks Ben 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Then you haven't watched "Plumb like Tom", gritty as real world stuff.
That said you Mark does a great job every time, can't fault him, took balls of steel to cut that pan.
Job coming along nicely Mark
Thanks pal, yer it’s getting there now
Nice work done and nice cut too on that WC. Glad all went well and should have some early day after all those hard work.
Thanks Sam…. Yer it all went to plan😉👌🏼
Excellent Mark. It's going to turn out well
Thanks mate…. Tilers in this week so should be making progress
Absolutely brilliant work 👍thumbs up quality
Thanks mate…. Hope your well mate
been waiting for this one. ive boxed out side entry b4. but i might try this in future 👍👍
Great vid Mark 👍😉 keeping it real 👍
I've used Insta-stick on my shower trays, or tile adhesive. I've always made sure the floor and underside of shower tray is dust free, I've also primed them as well, jus to be sure 😉
I guess you'll be using a flexy pan connector for the Wc. 👍😊
Quality video mate loved it thanks
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Looks good, great video as always mark
Thanks Jason 👍🏼👍🏼🙌🏼
Great vid Mark 👍
Thanks Scott 🙏🏼🙌🏼
Fair play to you Mark those flexi pan connectors are great when it comes to toilets like this # real world plumbing 😎👍😎👍😎👍
Yep a godsend
Great job as always Mark cutting that toilet pan was impressive to me 🙂 thank you for sharing 💚💚💚♥️👍🏼🙂
Thanks Fred 🙌🏼🙌🏼
First time I have seen a pan cut like that, never thought to do it, every day is a school day, I know what you mean about having to notch the joists, no option most of the time, one tip i have is to use 5mm builders straps, that kind of thing ... to reinforce any that i have had to cut for waste pipes... Another top video, cheers mate :)
Thanks Rick…. Yep straps is a good shout to be fair 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Great vid as always mate....Definitely give them redbacks a try i've had them in my trousers for the past 3 years they're the dogs 👌
Cheers mate, yer I think I will pick a set up tomororw👍🏼👍🏼
Great video as always Mark 👊🔥
Thanks mate…..🙏🏼🙏🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 Hope you well mate
Week 1 mate good effort bathrooms are so time consuming and labour intensive to do a proper job. We have customers who say the last bloke was tiling the second day.😂🤣😂🤣. And that's y we are pulling it out 2years later.. had to cut a few back to the wall bogs me self mate ass still nips 😂🤣😂🤣.. your right though someone needs to do a one sided one. Top videos as usual 🙂🙂🙂
Thanks mate…. Tiling on day 2😮😮😮😮
Bloody hell bet you were sweating when you cut that piece out of the pan, never seen that done before, great job.
You gotta do what you gotta do sometimes 😉👍🏼👍🏼
Great video again mate. You've done great on this bathroom so far. And you've spent the time filming and editing for TH-cam. Will pop over and say hello at installer and get you a drink 👍👍🍻🍻
Thanks mate, make sure you do buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Been fitting bathrooms for the past 12 years always thought of cutting pan but never had the balls brave man 😉
Do it mate….. just take your time, use a proper disc and all will be well😉😉👍🏼👍🏼
Good work mate. OB1. What a good name 🤣.
Never seen it before, seems a decent product to be fair 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Just waiting to use some C3PO 😉
great content mark as usual im starting a bathroom 2mrw keep up the good work
Thanks Mike…. Hope your well buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
It's looking good 😉
Thanks Jeff👍🏼👍🏼
Keep up the great content mate👍
Thanks Tom 👍🏼
Great video again mate.....you are very brave cutting that pan wouldn't get me risking it lol
Thanks mate….. gotta do what you gotta do sometimes 😉
Brave man cutting in to that pan! I've never done that...!
Once you’ve done it once it’s all right, 😉👍🏼
All looking good mark . With small rooms when you get all your materials in dose not leave a lot of room to work with.
And Yes get some good knee pads 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks mate….
I’ve never worked a day in my life without a set of kneepads….. first thing my boss said to me on day 1 of my apprentership 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Great video coming on now lookin forward to Wednesday vid
Agree with knee pads used them since day one one of the first things I bought I've seen how my brother in law is and he's the same age as me and he suffers a lot as he's never worn them.
Always look after your knees
Cutting the pan is new one on me,been in the game for 52 years never seen it done,however with my lucky would be. "Oh shit"
Hahaha….. everyday is a school day. You know what it’s like mate, we have to do what we have to do sometimes
Nice vid💯👍
Thanks buddy
We all have them jobs that turn out to be much harder and time consuming. Keep on keeping on.
Thanks buddy
Best part of a Sunday 💪🏻 #realworldplumbing
Thanks Mark 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙌🏼
Your plasterer has hidden all the cables in the ceiling 🤣 your sparky is going to have to smash it open again to pull them through 😂😂
No he’s not🙄🙄
My electrician will go in the roof and connect the down lights….. as that’s how they do it…. Always have done..
They know what there doing buddy😉
@@MJTiffPlumbing seems a lot of effort to have to go into the roof. If the ceiling was plastered but leaving the wire rails coming through (how I’ve seen other plasterers work), then the electrician could have fitted off within the bathroom and not have to get into the cramped roof space 😂
Great video Mark and I’ve learned so much on this one. On a scale of 1-10 how difficult would you rate the first fix where 10 is most difficult. You have done a brilliant job and I love the way you stick to your guns when it comes to doing it right. A wise man once said to me “ There’s 2 ways to do a job the right way or the wrong way and you’ve done it the right way. The lip at the back of them toilets is awkward as you have to lift it over the L brackets. Good job looking forward to part 2.
Very well planned out looking good you have got nerves of steel to cut out the pan nervous job
Thanks mate….. yep the first time I ever did it I was very nervous, now I know what it’s like to do it’s not an issue, just make the customer aware👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing Well done again
Great video got to bung a system soon. If there are heating pipes running to two rads and u want to cut tees into flow and return will this method still work as surely the water from the two rads will come back
Do one pipe at a time buddy 😉👍🏼
Was that MDF put down on existing floor...not exactly moisture resistant!!
Always use 18mm ply myself , sand and cement😀
Can't wait to see the toilet pan second fix. Regarding the shower, the choice of 9 mm ply is because otherwise you would be to low with notching joist for 40mm waste pipe?
I'm sure the Ideal Standard Concept range did a BTW with a soil access...Anyway, great as always
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼
I used tile backer board the foam plastic one for a soil boxing first time a few weeks ago was easy to cut water resistant and quite cheap to buy
Yer I’ve seen that about
Always thought about cutting the pan. Never been brave enough to do it 😬
So many people have said that…… it’s not as bad as you think, try it on one you take out😉😉
Never thought of doing that to a pan but it looks like a decent easy way to cap the box end off .i have trimmed the bottom off a cistern as it was out of shape that worked ok
Also dont have problem of the flexi pipe or pan pack hitting the boxing top corner
It can be very handy
Brave man cutting out the side of the pan! What blade did you use Mark? As always, great content...Look forward to the next vid 👍👍keep em coming. R
Thanks mate… done it a few times over the years, just used a porcelain disc👌🏼👌🏼
Great content as per bud👍🏻 Small rooms definitely seem to take longer I totally agree with that and they also seem to be more of a pita! What blade did you use to cut that pan?
Tell me about it mate, felt like I wasn’t getting anywhere…
Blade was a ceramic/porcelain one from Screwfix 👍🏼👍🏼
Great vid mark. Couple of bits Ive picked up from this one, cheers mate.👍 if you use soldered caps on the heating pipes the tiler can get a tighter cut round the pipes 👍
P.s where did you get your bungs from?
Thanks mate…..
Yep the holes would be tighter however sometimes it’s good to have a slightly larger hole for a bit of movement and I will always fit talon pipe covers over these pipes anyway so it’s not an issue. Nothing worse than tight holes that you have to then start chipping out and run the risk of breaking 😉
Bungs are from Toolstation I think mate
Just notch the steel for them rad pipes what's the worst that could happen 😂🙈 joist notching is fine as long as you stick to regs.
Nice job on cutting the pan. I've seen it down with a diamond hole saw never tried it myself though. Squeaky bum time.
Look after your knees pal my right one gripes every now and again not fun. Lots of walking in my case.
Ps that electrician is an animal 🤠 either that or too tight to buy a holesaw. I'd never do that on a job even if it was being overboarded. He'd be flung out of my house.
New ceiling up mate… you would never know😉
Yer I’ve always wore kneepads from my very first day of my apprenticeship, my boss at the time said look after them and I have👍🏼👍🏼
Yessss 👌👌
Yes mate😉🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Hi you showed bunging h&e tank but when you joined old Heating pipes to new ones what did you use ?? Compression,,push fit,,solder ???? Great video
Soldered it buddy👍🏼👍🏼
Loving the work Tiff. Be super interested to see if Nath has any hacks for getting the old adhesive off the walls Befor he tiles!?
I took most of it off with a scraper……👍🏼👍🏼
Wallpaper steamer & a scraper, gets old adhesive off,
I've even used an electric heat gun.
@@davec1410 nice!!!
Just spray with water and let it soak in..scrapes off like butter
I have a pair of the redbacks in the trousers years there good and they last you can throw them in the wash with them in and won't affect them but for long periods on the floor a few days like you were in that bathroom I'd recommend you need better ones like fento pal, but save them knees !
Always look after your knees….. my boss when I started my apprenticeship said tht to me on my very first day and I don’t think I’ve ever had a day not wearing knee pads…🙏🏼🙏🏼
What trouser/knee pad combo are you using?
with regards to notching out a joist. they don't span the length of the house anyway the walls under neath bear the weight aswell
Cutting the bog is not something I’d do , taken a lot of strength out of it in my opinion, your job you do what you like .
It’s fine mate, done it plenty of times over the years with zero issues👍🏼
Thanks for watching
Hi Mark great video yet again!
A small question why did you not fit the tray straight onto of the flooring? Then but the plyboard upto the tray? I've never seen anyone cut a section of pan out but I guess every day is a stool day. Keep up your videos !
Cutting the pan out, I’ve done it a few times and you’ve got to do these things sometimes.
Tray of the base was to get it lifted slightly so it works with the tiling and gives a slight more fall👍🏼
Waterproofing Mapei style will require to put Waterproofing tape and corners before the tray, prime the surface underneath and apply two coats of a Waterproofing, then put the tray in, apply sealant behind the tray, and on top as you did, and then carry on with Waterproofing above the tray. That is Waterproofing properly done, otherwise it's not perfect, but I assume nobody is🤔👍
I suggest you take a look on the Mapei tutorials buddy, they show it with the tray all ready in……. But thanks for taking the time to watch the video, then taking the time to type this comment….
Even your not perfect it would seem 🤔👍🏼
Good job we ain’t using Mapei anyway, it’s not a great product…
@@MJTiffPlumbing I'm not perfect. Agree on this. Please take the time and read again my comment. Waterproofing ( Mapei style ) , not necessarily Mapei. If because of the movement, and there will be some movement, as you expect on wooden structure, this seal around the tray will split over time , then the water will go behind and damage whatever is under this tray. It's not rocket science. I'm using common sense. Been doing this nearly 20 years. And to be honest I never watch tutorials of any brands, just using common sense. So far this never let me down. And I didn't want to play Mr clever man. Just sharing my opinion. Don't take it to seriously " mate " 😉
@@gienekpaa4892
Appreciate that mate….. in 26years of being in the trade myself I can honestly say I’ve fitted hundreds of bathrooms and NEVER had an issue… at all.
Thanks for watching and commenting…. I work to a tried and tested formula that’s done me well for 26 years 👍🏼👍🏼
Hey Mctiff boxing level with window reveal tidy work
Thanks mate, looks so much better, tiler loved it as it looked better and customer loves it aswell…. Everyone’s a winner
Ive cut the side out of back to wall pans a few times. Even open back pans sometimes need a bit more taken out to get a soil behind.
Can never understand why you can’t buy pans that are only open one side.
I asked the question and apparently they do make them👍🏼👍🏼
brave man cutting that pan
Done it so many times, just use a good disc and take your time 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Real world plumbing at its best
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Is the moisture resistant board sitting proud of the architrave? More work but chuck a new wider lining in?
No mate it’s all good buddy 👍🏼
remember that shower tray that didnt fit? well you can do exactly the same as youve done to bog...use a mains grinder and a decent tile cutting disc
mate.....so easy
Oohhhh… I might try that one day mate 👍🏼👍🏼
What about classi seal around shower tray...Great peace of mind
As said in the video…. The tiler is tanking it all when he starts…👍🏼
I wanted to see the final shower waste fitting process on the tray as i am diyer and have only done such with a low level tray by getting under floorboard access from the side. It must be a secret 😉 and that is why it was nit in the video 😀
It’s just a case of setting it to position and turning the waste trap into the body….👍🏼👍🏼
Great job mark, loving the videos as well. Quick question, what are the trousers you wear. Cheers Logan 👍
Thanks Logan
My trousers are from Bisley Workwear and they are hands down the best trousers I’ve ever had, way better than Scruffs (which skate very good) and Snickers (which are imho rubbish)
Cheers mate, will have a look 👍
get where youre coming from mate but i would be worried about the structure if someone heavy sits on that pan ????????
Not an issue at all….. some come with knockout side panels
That design of pan looks good but needs pulling out to get to anything underneath which needs fixing!
Exactly how back to the wall pans work mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks why you always use flexi pipes on the cold and the waste
Bathroom coming along nicely, Does cutting the toliet pan weaken it ?
Thanks mate….. to be honest I’ve never had an issue doing it, these pans are bloody solid
It’s true the notch sizes are too deep to pass regs, it’s also true on a refit you have no choice but to notch the joist on a 180mm+ joint near the end is fine in the real world it will never be a problem.
Real world plumbing……😉
Great video as always mark,looked really snazzy in them safety glasses m8 a bit like Timmy Mallet😭,never attempted cutting a toilet pan before fair play to ya,just a quick question how's the sparks gonna find his cables now they've been skimmed over?
If they've had any sense they would have kept a record of the measurments so they can cut in the correct places.
Thanks mate…. Timmy Mallet…🤣
The Sparkys work out exactly where the cables are so know what the measurements are for when they come back 👍🏼👍🏼
I will record it and add it to the video😉
😂😂😂😂😂 that’ll be warm bungle 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Masking tape leaves a nice edge 👍
When Dixon tiles the boxing in it will be even nicer😉
He’s put his prices up hope he told you 😉😂😂
@@jamessemple5072 🤣
Where did you get the glasses from ?
Safety glasses are from Unilite…… hold fire as I will be getting a discount code for all UNILITE products very soon to pass onto all my channel supporters 😉👍🏼👍🏼
How much are you getting a sheet of plasterboard ? Cheers
Moisture board is around £14 a sheet I think
Nice job, but I round the corners when I cut pans to avoid weak corner which might crack later!
Thanks mate…. Never had an issue in years of cutting pans like this. 👍🏼
Great content as always. Was that mdf under the shower tray ??
As a floor layer I would always use ply
Mdf would swell if it gets wet 👍
The reason that it has taken longer to install is that you do it PROPERLY!
Thanks Derek 🙌🏼🙌🏼👍🏼
This has happened to me but just changed the toilet didn’t think cutting was an option. Also this week I have had a hansgrohe rain shower the same as you did and your video of the first fix was so much help I looked through the instructions but it just wouldn’t go in to my head then watched the video and it all made sense. Not looking forward to the second fix.
Oh mate those showers…… as you will know they are SOOOOO complicated, glad my video helped on it mate.
Second fix it a nightmare aswell🙈🙈
U know you can buy bacl to wall pans wit left or right side cut out
Yep however the suite was supplied by the customer…👍🏼👍🏼
Great job tho, keep the content comin 👍👍
Keep that rag away from the grinder, if it grabs it will eat or break your fingers before you know what's happening. Get a tilers sponge, holds more water and the blade will abrade it or cut it without and v work of it grabbing and entangling you.
Good advice mate… Thankyou 👍🏼👍🏼
I’d get a new electrician if I were you mate. That looks dog ruff
Explain what looks rough???
Why not drop the soil pipe under the floor and come up under the pan?
No where near enough room to do that and get 2 wastes and also connect back into the vent…
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Evening mate🙌🏼🙌🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing Evening Bud 🤘😎🤘🫖☕️🍰
"I've done it before It's not a problem" merch when?
Back To Wall Toilet?
Close To Wall Toilet?
Fully Shrouded Toilet?
Closed Back Toilet?
What would you call it?
As a supplier we try not to call these a Back To Wall toilets as a BTW toilet is for furniture or concealed cisterns, but often hear them called lots of different things including closed coupled back to wall toilets as in this video, but would be nice to see what everyone else would call these.
So many different names🙈🙈🙈
@@MJTiffPlumbing poll time? See what your follower think?
That vacuum isn't doing much for your health and safety standing there shut off 😅 why not a mask too
Window was wide open👍🏼
Tanking kits are a complete waste of time and money. If water gets behind the grout- jobs fucked anyway 🤷♂️
Completely agree with that mate….. 👏🏼👏🏼
Good job my tiler is spot on and never ever had an issue in 20+ years 🙌🏼🙌🏼
I do my own tiling bud, only time I install a tanking kit is if the manufacturer of wetroom specifies- in order to guarantee their warranty.
Just seems pointless to me tanking things- if water gets behind the grout or tiles there is a huge problem so need to start again anyway 🤷♂️👍
Great video as always mate, really enjoy watching people living the dream like me 🤦♂️🤣👍
@@benradley4895
Thanks mate… 🙌🏼🙌🏼 glad you enjoyed it
Would hardie backer be better for all this ? I know it is lovely to cut but nothing gets through it
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Yep Hardie Backer is an option…… either or is just as good imho
Snickers floor layers knee pads thank me later
No, no ,no, absolutely not. You should never cut or even try to alter a ceramic pan. This will create weak points in the ceramic which can cause the pan to shatter when it is sat on. There are photos and videos in the health and safety world which show the devastating effects on human flesh when a pan shatters.
Plenty of companies do it, they will even cut them for you if you ask…..
I maybe too long in the tooth for this. But what happened to having pride in your work. It just seems to me these TH-camrs just want free tools/advertisement just to show incompetence to the youth of today.
Why do you leave all the shit under the floor floorboards come on now you get enough money..
Oh dear…..