We really trusted that they were keeping all the juicy secret close to the chest with those kh3 trailers… I was so disappointed when I realized how much they really showed us ahead of turn
Sadly Square has been spoiling their games before release for a while now i was so sad when i realized they spoiled the entire plot and ending of neo twewy when all we really needed was the opening movie to get people hyped
@@hiimstatic6948 even though the final trailer for Neo Twewy had so spoilers in it didn’t completely ruin the game for me. The ending still had more and the destruction of Shibuya was literally the first thing you see when you start Neo Twewy and even the demo so I think it’s fine they showed that in the trailer
I think Square Enix needs to adopt a more restrictive "less is more" kind of policy. They have already sold Kingdom Hearts 4 to many of us fans. Showing off Disney Worlds is fine because that can entice more of Disney's broad audience. Gameplay by itself is also fine because that is the core video games in general. But when it comes to the story, test our patience until the game releases, add a few teasers that won't spoil anything out of context, and don't give us answers we desperately want until the game comes out.
I was through the moon when that was dropped but then they did nothing with it. so I can totally see that if we hadn't known about it beforehand, it would've been much more epic.
@@christopherIF I liked the concept of Aqua being corrupted by darkness (sad I know, but a good story point) after so long in the realm of darkness. But it wasn't a consequence of being trapped. it was just the result of Ansem slapping her with some DARKNESS! if there was more to her journey down there than what we got to see it would've been amazing
I HATE what they did in DDD with Tron. I know they were doing a version of Tron Legacy (Not a fan of that movie either) but they had a good voice actor for Tron in KH2 and they could've done a good merging of the two movies and brought him back.
@@artsworstenemy8956 I understand that it is Canon but I still personally think it sucks. I mean why would you make a Tron movie where Tron basically isn't in it? (I know he technically is but let's not kid ourselves, Tron, the Tron, is not in it)
This is just gonna be me, but I actually want Square Enix to hide as much of the main plot of Kingdom Hearts IV and any of the possible Guardians of Light who appear in the game as much as possible: It would be make experiencing Sora going against the Foretellers and his reunions with other characters much more impactful if we came in with the mindset of them possibly not appearing
Or even better let us LEARN about them as Sora learns about them so that way we don’t have to have played or watched all of Kingdom Hearts X which despite being an epic story was just poorly represented by it’s appearance as a mobile GATCHA game.
Technically they can just make the trailers as a separate stories from the game, think of it like an OVA of a movie or TV series. The issue isn’t spoiler but giving mysteries for ppl to solve. Just a standard storytelling way rather than a direct one
I feel this way about every game, but especially Kingdom Hearts: a 'spoiler' isn't just the plot twist, and it's not even necessarily the story. The characters or locations shown can themselves be spoilers, especially in a long-running franchise like Kingdom Hearts. They showed the back of Roxas at the end of a trailer. That practically confirmed, itself, that both Roxas and Xion would be saved by the end of the game. Just like... when you know the character arcs and significant locations, seeing characters and places teased in a trailer can give you a decent expectation of what they're doing there, too.
I'm okay with them revealing Disney worlds, as, again, that's normal. What I'm not okay with is them showing off every world boss like they did in whatever trailer it was. I got a few worlds into that trailer, realized what was happening, and stopped.
I agree. A lot of the major points that were revealed in the trailer lowered the impact they had for me when I played the game. I personally don't mind world reveals, as long as they're not original worlds since a lot of the plot for things like Pirates of the Carribean we kinda already know, or those who were old enough to watch the movies. And you know what... I might just not watch the rest of the trailers. Maybe one or two when it's gameplay, but other than that, nah.
This is exactly how I feel. I think I’m going to avoid most of the trailers. I don’t mind song reveals because I like to jam the tracks months before the game comes out just to keep my hype going, but yeah I hope they listen to fans this time around. We want to actually experience the game “in” the game, not in trailers. It defeats the purpose of playing it when the whole thing is spoiled.
@@jaygameelixir9610 I guess at the time you couldn’t tell that 90% of the game’s plot and story was being revealed in the trailers. After playing the game you’re less suprised and as many have said, there is less of an impact when something that was intended to be “impactful” happens in the story. That, and some people really hate spoilers. Spoilers literally spoil the experience for many people, hense the name.
@@jaygameelixir9610 I was very excited but then... I got to the Aqua boss fight and I realized it didnt impact me as much as it Shouldve had. Because I already knew she was in trouble. It lessed the impact of an emotional moment or the surprise. HOLY SHOT RIKU REPLICA IS BACK and oh wonder when he showed up. Or oh shits it the fucking teddy bear from union cross and oh... It's the teddy bear.
You can thank the part of community who got the leaked copies and started uploading major spoilers like kairi death by zehanort in the final battle. I didnt even watch the video. The thumbnail and the title told me everything. I waited 13 years for this game and major hitting moments flopped cause I already seen images I didn't want to see because of some people are assholes.
Looking back I still like kingdom hearts two way more than three. Mostly because everybody knows the final fantasy characters. With the transformations A bit for me personally. And the storylines with the Disney worlds. Especially frozen just make Elsa evil man but she can’t do that with Disney.
@@KamiAnimeS1 Ugh god, that Evil Elsa boss fight could have been so cool! Such a wasted opportunity. I think Disney should just let Nomura do his thing more. He just thinks of such interesting things but Disney is holding him back.
Bro I saw the title talk to my guys about what you might mentioned and we had questions that you legitimately answered throughout the video, top tier content right here. 👌🏾👌🏾
I remember in kh2 being exited to guess what world was just with the black version of the world. I think I’ll have to block any kh4 content before the release so I can be surprised
That's honestly why I think they did that. To wait 6 fucking years for a game is ridiculous. Fortunately, where the KH devs are using Real Engine and no longer have to deal with the technological growing pains of reinventing all the fundamental assets and mechanics, we should get a much shorter wait time.
@@RCDeschene Exactly what I'm thinking as well. KH3 was basically in a development hell for almost 6 years since its announcement in 2013, so it's pretty normal that they released trailers almost regularly every year and deliberately reveal some story bits to keep us hyped for the release, which I can tolerate. Now that they already got the game engine all figured out, KH4 is going to take much shorter development time and therefore most contents of the game can be keep under wraps until its release.
They really messed up with the PR of KH3. I'm fine with them revealing all of the disney worlds, but showing anti-Aqua and the three final worlds was too much.
Imo rule of thumb with japanese media is to avoid trailers if you don't want spoilers. This isn't just a square thing, you can see this done with anime and film as well. Seems to be a cultural difference more than anything
It’s a trade off between having super hype trailers that surprise us, or waiting longer to experience that excitement and surprise. The long time waiting for KH3 release didn’t help with this decision. I think in order to keep people excited for the game Square Enix felt like they had to have those surprises in the trailer. We won’t be waiting as long for KH4, so hopefully Square Enix trusts that we will stay excited without them giving away so many surprises in the trailers.
Honestly all they gotta do is show off the Disney worlds cus that's a given and showcase new gameplay stuff at the same time and keep it separate from the KH stuff, if they wanna do a "final battle trailer" like right before it comes out thats fine, I just hope they don't make us dodge spoilers for a year
I just hope the games not shit we had to wait so long for 3 and now suddenly we're getting 4 only a couple years later? Sounds like they rushed to make it after 3 sold well at first and with how sora looks like a final fantasy character after dude specifically said before 3 that there wouldn't be anymore final fantasy characters in KH because the series is popular enough it doesn't need any final fantasy characters then turned around and made the main character look like he's from final fantasy they better change him up and only have him have that horrendous look just for that world. If you don't need final fantasy characters in your games then you shouldn't need to have your main character look like one point blank and yes I already know about the scrapped vs that literally has 0 to do with KH just because he started the game we're supposed to be ok with him doing a basically copy and paste and a little edits to make it look like Sora? That's so fucking lazy and nobody seems to care people must love the horrible look final fantasy characters have now they haven't looked good at all since 12 and even then they looked a little funny in the face 13 people looked so stupid and don't even get me started on the horrible never going to be finished 15
It also really doesn't help that there wasn't a whole lot of plot progression in the game before the ending. There's not a lot of exciting plot-focused clips to show in trailers that aren't in the endgame section. It further doesn't help that KH3's twist was preemptively spoiled in DDD: we're just told outright that Xehanort WANTS the Guardians of Light to assemble, and where he'll be waiting while you go about doing that. Coulda gotten a LOT out of having those reveals happen IN KH3.
@@Chris420x1 Dude, no... Just because 3 had an ABNORMALLY (key word) long development time doesn't mean that suddenly KH4 is being rushed out. KH games used to come out once every year you know, with some empty slots here and there. And we got TWO (three if you count Missing-Link soon) games that came out before KH4, too. These games all started development right after dev for KH3 finished (not even its release a little later.) And the Osaka Team doesn't have to completely start from scratch in the middle this time (AND have a good grasp on the engine they're using now), too. And yes, it was confirmed that Sora is only going to look like that in Quadratum/Unreality. No need to get your panties in a twist. By the way, Nomura said there weren't any FF characters in 3 because of time and plot constraints. Also, it's not because the series is popular enough, Nomura said it was because the supporting characters could hold their own now without the FF. I think that he was just BSing to the interviewer for some weird company Red Tape reasons, though, since the time constraint answer came after Re Mind. Either way, there are reasons for why things are the way they are. All we have to do is wait and find out instead of getting angry at something that isn't a problem and is gonna be explained to you in the near future.
Seriously. I almost don’t want to watch any trailer (obviously I will) until release after seeing this video. I wanna go in completely blind, but yeah.
For me, no amount of trailers seen or unseen would've helped in regards to my personal experience of it. I just hope that more thought and care is put into the *actual* story of KH.
Agreed. I only watched the first couple trailers before I got the game at release and started playing it, and I outright stopped playing the game before finishing it because of how little fun I was having. Finally went back and played the whole thing (without ReMind) this year and it was _ok_
I think they should show trailers of only Disney stuff, no endgame stuff. Hard core fans are always buying the game guaranteed because of the endgame, so you don’t have to show it in trailers and risk spoiling it.
I believe the fandom is totally on the same page with you. The problem with S.E. ending up showing too much stuff in the trailers was that the bar was set too high, as for instance with the "final battle trailer" you basically spoiler everything to me then I'd assume "Well if they are so confident with their work it means that besides that there will be a lot MORE to uncover both story and gameplay-wise in the actual game" and if this is not the case well it's no surprise if a fan ends up being disappointed.
I feel like Square feels a bit obligated to release a lot of trailers because we haven't had any big news for a long time. So a kind of "compensation". They even did the same for Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Should it hopefully lead to KH4 developing much more smoothly, I'd prefer that we get 4 trailers total, not including any endgame stuff.
I forgot they did that with FF7 Remake. While I played the original and know the story that final battle trailer didn't bothered as much with KH3. Although, that final trailer for FF7 Remake didn't need to be shown either.
With everything they showed in the trailers, I had this idea in my mind: “If they showed this much, I can’t wait to see what they DIDN’T show.” Come to find out when I finished the game that they showed EVERYTHING. Even after the Xehanort fight, I thought there was more to the game with Sora still having to save Kairi just to find out that that was the end!
Cuz they took the GREAT/complicated plot of the KH story(not disney shit) and dumbed it down for kh3, made it basically a disney game not a SE game, disney should not be in the game. Literally does nothing for the ACTUAL story and lore. Plus it takes away from the actual tome of genocide, light darkness etc, child experimentation. But nah disney ruins everything
Spot on. I had high expectations for years and saw every trailer. This game ruined KH for me. Absolutely terrible. To see that KHIV is seemingly doubling down on everything III was makes me sure that I’m done with the franchise.
As someone who never watched the KH3 trailers... HOLY SHIT thats bad. Thank god I didnt watch it and absolutely ruin my first experience with the game.
That would be excellent! If we don’t get that though - I watched damo279’s videos on Unchained X, dark road and etc. I would recommend them as they were so good at summing up the story
My ideal promotion for KHIV is they reveal every world except for 3-4 and they only show everything up to the mid point of the game story wise. I think they'll keep things secret as this is a beginning of a new arc, but I want them to keep certain things quiet like Ava and Subject X. What I'm saying is a promotional cycle similar to Stranger Things 4 would be enough for me.
Since Me and my Brother only watched like Rapunzel, and the ´general Trailer, we went in almost completely fresh. I hope KH4 doesnt do like Cyberpunk with revealing the whole story and its side missions lol... Tho we have to say, the leak of those illegal copies of KH3 were mainly at fault for its "promotion" so early...
Aqua is a character that only Kingdom Hearts fans actually know. The casual gamer knows Sora and maybe the rest of the Destiny Island trio, but that's probably it. Showing Anti-Aqua definitely got loads of attention, memes, and "she's been Norted!!", but I agree that it might not have been the best move because the people most invested in Aqua's story, or even know who she is, were gonna buy the game anyway.
At first i assumed that Square Enix was taking the "KH is too confusing meme" seriously by showing too much thinking that viewers wouldn't be able to comprehend any of it buuut they've been spoiling most of their games through trailers for YEARS now, an example would be Final Fantasy XV and Neo: The World Ends with You... It's exhausting
Ok I'm gonna be honest, I was excited every time we got a kh3 trailer and when it got leaked, I watched a lot of the gameplay before my copy came, but I agree with this. I watched Dr. Strange a few days ago without seeing a single trailer (other than the after credits scenes from No Way Home) and it made the experience so much better for me.
I'll probably watch one more trailer just to see what the game looks like in unreal 5. Other than that, I'll try to avoid them, but the problem is avoiding trailer spoilers is almost impossible online. Even if you don't actually watch the trailers, you'll inevitably run into thumbnails or headlines that throw the biggest juiciest spoilers right in your face, and you won't realize what you're reading until you've already read it. I don't know if just trying to avoid them is a tenable option. We really just need to hope that they won't release as many trailers as they did for KH3. I really hope they've learned their lesson from that debacle. My ideal is just 2 trailers-one as a beta teaser focusing on setting up tone and story, and a second, fuller trailer elaborating on story content while also showing a decent amount of gameplay and level design. That's it. Keep in mind, for KH1 and 2 we only got I think one main trailer for each game and a couple of TV spots. That's the right way to go about it. Maintain the mystery.
We all got our ups and down with KH3. For me it was no arena/coliseum and hardly any FF characters for Base game. Kimahri in Arendelle was a missed opportunity. Still enjoyed the game. It was at the end of the day a very fun game. But it could of felt a little bit more like a "Kingdom Hearts" game. It suppose to be a crossover. However I gotta admit....the "Donald Duck" moment was a very VERY Final Fantsy thing to do. Cheers and hopes for the best!
I feel like they've learned how much they fucked up for KH3 when it comes to trailers. I expect at most 6 trailers atm for kh4 especially considering that game development won't take as much to finish. But still if they show any of the end game sequences .. i'll be malding hard xD
I agree don’t drip feed the plot please. Maybe 1 trailer per e3 period. And maybe one at games award per year so that makes 6 if a 2024 becomes a reality
The trailers are for the people who are not yet convinced to buy the game. That's why they show as much as possible to bait them in. They are not trying to get the money from the hardcore fans because they already know that we will buy it. The fans need to take some accountability here. Nobody is forcing you to watch the trailers. I understand someone might get accidentally spoiled but that's just how it is. Showing off a lot in the trailers gives them more sales and there is no way they will make a compromise here. It's money over integrity every single time.
Honestly I can say kh3 was my least favourite out of the trilogy (not including the Nintendo/BBS games). Idk I just felt like something didn’t hit right with me, maybe cause it felt like they crammed everything KH related in the end and focused on Disney. The other games had a strong blend of both by making sora revisiting traverse/hollow bastion to further the main plot and having a organization 13 really be the main antagonist in the Disney worlds (like beast and Xaldins}. And I felt like the bosses in the game were very lacklustre, Final fantasy characters were pretty much non-existent, and have more organization 13 battles in the Disney worlds (idk fighting organization 13 members inside a Disney world just hits different). Before I start ranting I’ll stop.
I never got spoiled for KH3 because I was too busy playing and finishing the other games in the series for the first time, even after receiving the KH3 in the mail. So all the beats that the game was trying to give actually left an impact on me.
Yeah this is something that Square must not do for KH4 (I know MoM dodged the bullet tho that was a smaller entry and the plot was mostly at the end of the game) and I would also say the same for FF7R Part 2. As they did spoil a bit of endgame with FF7R Part 1 with the final trailer, especially with Sephiroth stabbing Barret. But man, aside from the KH3 final battle trailer: Demon Tower sucking the guardians to death, Sephiroth stabbing Barret in FF7R Part 1’s Final Trailer and lastly FUCKING THE SPECIAL NOISE KILLING PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE CAST IN NEO TWEWY WHICH WAS SHOWN IN NEO TWEWY’S FINAL TRAILER. Square has an annoying habit of thinking that a good way of marketing is to have main characters hurt or dead during the endgame section to really really want players to buy their game. When it really loses that impact and shock value when people do see it from the trailer first and then the game.
I guess this why people have different opinions cause I like spoilers, it gives me something to look forward to because now I know what’s happening but I want to know why it happened so to me spoilers help gain my attention
This should be given the ff 16 treatment. They revealed it like over a year ago and haven't shown ANYTHING and are now saying "were in the final stages of debelopment". Maybe we get one more trailer announcing the release date and then get 16. Nothing is spoiled and it's been in the back of my mind since it was announced. I kinda need KH to do this.
I personally found Kingdom Hearts 3 lacked what the first two Kingdom Hearts games had. It lacked story until later but implemented so much of Disney worlds. It felt underdeveloped for all the years they put into the game. The spoilers made the game lack with trailers after trailers on end what to expect. The form changes were nice and the action was nice. I felt there wasn’t much to discuss in the game other than the plot twist that Sora’s being Sora and will be gone from reality to a world of fiction AKA Quadratum. Not too much Final Fantasy characters here. It was pretty bare for a Kingdom Hearts game third installment. Square Enix should not spoil so much and keep everything hush hush. At least limit to two trailers of something that will not spoil the game. Square Enix showed one trailer already and it was plenty but maybe the second trailer could be along the lines of what Sora’s thinking because he looks so confused and dazed.
Kh3 lacked story because the story has been stretched to all the non-numbered entries of the KH series. All the games between 1 and 2 brought a lot of growth and convoluted questioning into the lore. KH3 imo lacked because it was trying hard and rushed. KH3 felt like it was trying a lot of new things, reaching a new audience all while trying to feed its main audience what they are expecting. With the implementation of the mobile games, the story has started to go very…south in comparison to what it used to be. Trying to keep up continuity over multiple platforms imo is going to cause later installments to feel less impactful. Because if you aren’t playing kingdom hearts like the Pokémon franchise and buying every bit of merch, game, lore and etc. the the next game will feel like the comparison of FFX to FFX-2 (what the fuck happened) Square need to drop this Disney stuff. In all seriousness I know that will never happen, but like sora can’t stay trapped as a child forever.. he can’t be let to stay a Peter Pan syndrome kid forever. Disney is weighing down the real development and growth of Kingdom Hearts. Even the theories of Yozora being a rewritten noctis kinda prove that as well. Don’t be shocked if KH4 actually is worse than KH3. Cause it just might be. They can’t carry the game based on its graphical looks forever.
@@justsomeguy4422 I agree but there are some deep story elements if you search in the game. However I felt the mobile games weighed down Kingdom Hearts into a different direction and felt completely nuanced into its personal issue. After all it was made by the same developers as Birth By Sleep. Don’t get me wrong, Birth By Sleep was good but it wasn’t great. There was also the appeal to fandom and how I felt the story caved way too fast. If there were to be another arc, I’d have imagined Sora in the next sequel dark and gritty and not painted dark with Disney effects. I know what you mean by Disney, their flashy abilities and carnival rides made KHIII more cartoony than it was supposed to feel compared to Kingdom Hearts 1 or 2. One particular nuanced story element is Sora supposedly having to be changed as weaker but he definitely felt more powerful than the past two.
@@brando3424 I do understand that to a degree but there are fine lines when a man needs to tell his story without Goofy or Donald taking up the scenes for jokes or the cringeworthy Mickey being absolutely powerful in the first two games and brought down to nothing in the third installment. I sincerely hope Nomura gets his direction and convolutes the story without Disney meddling in some half assed joke with any characters too much. So far, I do love how Kingdom Hearts 3 allows the ideas for the Disney characters to have serious story elements such as the trailer for 4 to have them find Hades. Although comical, it makes you wonder what will happen.
@@ozero00rockon yeah i didn't understand why Mickey's power scaling got so nerfed in KH III. MAYBE it's because Sora surpassed him? Not sure but i didn't think the humor from Donald and goofy was too obnoxious. And kingdom hearts 1 and 2 were still pretty serious stories. I just do not know how they'll implement the Disney worlds with Sora being in reality. Maybe there will be more final fantasy characters alongside the established ones from the previous games? We still need round three between Cloud and Sephiroth
Square has to have one of the worst marketing teams in gaming. they either show to much, or show stuff to early that ends up ultimately getting removed. they gave us the kh4 trailer, which gives us a good conceptual idea of what its gonna be. Now they just need to make sure they don't show to much, or only shows us stuff that is to make it in the final gane.
I’d find it hard to understand if a trailer just shows jumbles of different scenes and what the game would be about. Que Sora, dialogue without a cutscene and Sora in action somehow. Then show the first trailer where he wakes up on the couch and the next dialogue a hint why he was there? Cut. Then people get lost. Literally.
I've also assumed the concept of Watch the initial reveal trailer. watch the first proper gameplay trailer. then just wait until game releases. so as to go into the game as blind as possible.
While Square DID show off way too much of the game before release, this was also in part due because of the need to start from scratch when they swapped from their engine to Unreal Engine. That caused a much longer delay hence why they probably felt the need to consistently show off more, so that way they wouldn't just show off nothing for all those years of delayment
"You can get a rather good idea of what was happening in Kingdom Hearts 3 just based on the trailers" Nomura: Really? Time to make the plot even more confusing.
Square showed off a lot for FF7R too, even tho many know the story. I understand profit is important, but it seems they care little to nothing about surprising us through our personal experience. God of War 2018 is a good example of how to market. They concealed many surprises and that game scored 10 across the board and won GOTY. Take note Square, take note.
I had the exact same experience with the new Dr Strange movie. The trailers pretty much revealed all key points of the movie. Really hope this does not happen with KH 4.
I’m aware the topic of this video is they shouldn’t even give the option to watch this stuff in trailers, but I thought it was worth noting that you don’t have to watch them if they do. I never watched the opening movie or the final battle trailer just because I knew I didn’t need to see that stuff before playing.
I will say that I couldn't stand when the trailer for possesed/dark aqua being revealed how much people would say; " aqua got norted guys! omg, aqua got norted!" me: "yeah? oh no...." inside it was like well, now for another trailer to reveal the ending of the game now at this point.
The only one I will say I appreciated going a little over or it was showing the intro, just because it really cemented the idea that the game was almost in my hands
This is one of the reasons why I try my best to skip trailers from games or shows like pretty much all trailers do this and kills all the hype and suspense
When the Kingdom hearts 3 final trailer came out the reveal of anti aqua and scala ad caelum was unnecessary for those trailers and when new kingdom hearts 4 trailers come out ima be cautious on the wording of the trailers as best as i can especially anything with the word final in it
Boutta just stay off social media the day trailers drop. If it’s Disney worlds, I’ll be okay with it, but I don’t wanna be spoiled with the KH story aspect.
Honestly it’s most likely due to the fact that the game was delayed so much so many times that is probably the reason why they released so many trailers so people at least had some thing before the game came out but you’re absolutely right they gave out too many flipping secrets and trailers
Yeah now that I think about it, they didn't show a lot of trailers for KH1 and 2 (of course TH-cam wasn't really a thing yet either). So you might have a good point there.
So far, Final Fantasy XVI is exactly what I want out of KH4's promotion cycle. It was announced, we get mini tidbits of detail every so often, no trailer, no news or anything for about a year. And then BOOM: within the coming weeks, we're set to have a final trailer and the release date at some point this year or early next at the latest. It's wonderful we know very little about FF16, and considering we're diving into so much unknown with fictional worlds and Quadratum, I want the exact same for KH4
The problem with square enix is they always spoiled the main plot of their game. If we look at the past Square enix game such as FFXV, Kingdom hearts 3 and FF 7 remake(not intergrade) they keep spoil us the endgame content especially when the game is about to release.
I would be happy with 4 if they did it in a normal fashion. But with how KH promotes itself before an alpha is even made, 6 (2 a year) would be a safer option. And definitely don't display your twists for shock value. Shock value in the game itself would've been SOOOOO much better for the game review itself instead of shock valuing your Trailer.
I think one of the best things I did for myself and my KH3 experience was to stop watching the trailers. Some trailers were so hype that I couldn't avoid them because they blew up the KH community (looking at the Anti Aqua trailer), but I didn't know all of the Disney world's that would appear, I didn't watch the opening movie, or the final trailer, etc. It took a crap ton of self control, but when I hear about so many people being disappointed in the game, I can't help but think how many of those people's experiences got let down because they essentially knew (or THOUGHT they knew) everything that was gonna happen?
I’ve been watching your KH3 let’s play videos while I work recently and in every other video, if not every video, you mentioned a story bit that you were anticipating in a trailer. Specifically seeing Young Xehanort in San Fransokyo or all the characters surviving the keyblade war after being decimated by Terranort
With this new kingdom hearts, I would love it if they had a star wars world. It would fit so well with the themes of light and darkness. Keyblade masters are also kind of parallel to jedi and sith. I also really hope they put in a final fantasy world. Speaking of which, it would be nice if they went the final fantasy route where after a character joins your party, they travel with you to different locations and their character development happens over the course of the game instead of just being limited to a small section or "worlds" In the case of kingdom hearts. For example, if we could swap jack sparrow into the party in any world after we unlocked him and he remained part of the story after his section was completed.
To be fair Kh3 didn't have many ACTUAL game story elements until the end. So they didn't have much non disney stuff to put in the trailers. But yeah they definitely reveal too much. Like the whole game pretty much
If we take into account the number of trailers we had for _Kingdom Hearts II_ marketing before the game came out it was roughly 6-8 trailers from the various events revealed such as E3, Tokyo Game Show and Jump Festa whereas _Birth by Sleep_ and _Dream Drop Distance_ marketing had around 4-5 trailers before the game's release. If _Kingdom Hearts IV_ does come out in mid-late 2024 and if we get another KHIV trailer for a brand new Disney world around September 2022 during D23 2022 or Tokyo Game Show 2022 and future trailers during later events (Jump Festa 2023, E3 2023, TGS 2023, etc.) I could expect 6-8 trailers where some of them are centered on the new Disney world revealed and other Disney worlds are revealed all at once similar to KH2, BBS, and DDD trailers when they revealed most of the new Disney worlds in their respective trailers.
Well, I feel like showing Donald and Goofy was already a big spoiler, given the nature of this game's evident potential plot and how 3 ended. We're left with the impression that Sora is gone, potentially for good, but the others are going to try to find him. And it's alright to show some characters, because I don't think their appearance guarantees much of anything, but they need to be careful with who they show and what they are shown doing. If we see a scene with Riku bringing Sora through some portal back to their own world, well, that's a big spoiler. But I'm in the same boat nonetheless. No spoilers. Dark Aqua might've been the biggest spoiler for 3. I also wish they kept a few more of the worlds secret. Olympus was the first world so it works as a world reveal well. Toy Story would've been the best to show off, because it was so highly requested. Frozen was a fair show, if a bit on the nose. Pirates was also good, but I definitely wouldn't reveal any more than those 4 worlds and maybe some of the KH unique worlds. It's just a bad idea in general to reveal The Final World and Scala, since they are supposed to be big surprises for the end game.
So I completely agree w the trailer stuff but to clarify u still like kingdom hearts 3 (especially the completed re:mind version) or have u joined the KH3 was bad & worried the series or was wasted group
If you ask me, KH4, 4 trailers, 3 remaining, show dev progress and artistic design, gameplay, some new abilities, reaction commands, etc, but in terms of story and scope, show nothing, show little to no plot. If Square can do that, this will go smoothly. Maybe do a 5th prelaunch trailer where you show off some Yoko Shimamura and her amazing ost tracks for 4, again only for kh4 tunes we've heard, and that's it. Done. Make sure the final release has A, no Star Wars bs, "beginner friendly" tutorial junks, or floatiness please, and B, if you do Marvel don't just reuse the Square Enix knockoff Marvel characters. Like, don't give us KH2 Pirates, give us KH3 Pirates, in terms of Marvel. Don't do an RDJ and then voice him inaccurately, ya know? And finally, C... Blow us away Nomura.
The problem here was that to prove that the game was still in development and to maintain the hype train for the game, they had to show stuff. Impacting stuff. Stuff that would be talked about everywhere (the spoilery bits). If they learned, if the game is just 2 to 3 years ahead, I think they'll think twice before showing stuff
Honestly, I might only watch a couple more trailers just to get a sense of what the game will be like and then go media blackout on the game. It might be difficult, especially due to thumbnails and spoilers being thrown everywhere in TH-cam and Twitter, but I’ll do my best. I’ll come back and watch the trailers after I play the game to see how much they showed off.
One thing I do like about the Scala ad cealum as unnecessary as it was, was that I thought sora would be on his own but then in the final game he’s with Donald and goofy. That was the clever move. Best thing about kh3! The dynamic between those 3 was just incredible!
i never really knew that many trailers for KHIII even existed. my cousin and i stayed away from as much as possible, and we both had an amazing experience with the game. one event i see everyone disappointed in, was the reveal of Dark Aqua. and not to rub it in people’s faces, but my cousin and I FREAKED when she came on screen.. because we genuinely, no pun intended, stayed in the dark about it. i really hope whoever reads this kinda gets the idea: just dont watch the trailers. they spoil way more than you think. much love :)
Yeah, me too! I'm glad I refused to watch the last-five trailers that they shown before the game released. I ended up playing the game blind as well! It was great too! What I do nowadays whether it's a game or film, I just watch the first-two trailers that get released. Afterwards, I'm done! I will avoid the rest of the trailers that get released. I'm already sold, so there's no need to watch more.
We really trusted that they were keeping all the juicy secret close to the chest with those kh3 trailers… I was so disappointed when I realized how much they really showed us ahead of turn
Sadly Square has been spoiling their games before release for a while now
i was so sad when i realized they spoiled the entire plot and ending of neo twewy when all we really needed was the opening movie to get people hyped
@@hiimstatic6948 guess it’s up to us to exercise discretion
@@hiimstatic6948 even though the final trailer for Neo Twewy had so spoilers in it didn’t completely ruin the game for me. The ending still had more and the destruction of Shibuya was literally the first thing you see when you start Neo Twewy and even the demo so I think it’s fine they showed that in the trailer
Square Enix taught me the ways of watching only the first or 2nd trailers, then later on just ignore the rest of the trailers and hide from it.
Thankfully I didn't see any trailers before playing 3 so I went in blind
I think Square Enix needs to adopt a more restrictive "less is more" kind of policy. They have already sold Kingdom Hearts 4 to many of us fans.
Showing off Disney Worlds is fine because that can entice more of Disney's broad audience. Gameplay by itself is also fine because that is the core video games in general. But when it comes to the story, test our patience until the game releases, add a few teasers that won't spoil anything out of context, and don't give us answers we desperately want until the game comes out.
Like honestly they shouldn't have showed Dark Aqua during the trailers, it really ruined that moment for me
I was through the moon when that was dropped but then they did nothing with it. so I can totally see that if we hadn't known about it beforehand, it would've been much more epic.
Yeah they spoiled almost everything, but it's just because that was all they had in the first place
And that was disappointing anyway
@@christopherIF I liked the concept of Aqua being corrupted by darkness (sad I know, but a good story point) after so long in the realm of darkness. But it wasn't a consequence of being trapped. it was just the result of Ansem slapping her with some DARKNESS! if there was more to her journey down there than what we got to see it would've been amazing
@@christopherIF the game wasn’t bad, but the pacing was just downright problematic as all hell
But if they hadn’t afrosenju’s legendary reaction to anti aqua wouldn’t exist lol
I want a continuation of tron being alive, they didn't do justice for tron.
I HATE what they did in DDD with Tron. I know they were doing a version of Tron Legacy (Not a fan of that movie either) but they had a good voice actor for Tron in KH2 and they could've done a good merging of the two movies and brought him back.
Tron legacy is cannon and if you watched the movie I’m pretty sure he survives
@@artsworstenemy8956 I understand that it is Canon but I still personally think it sucks. I mean why would you make a Tron movie where Tron basically isn't in it? (I know he technically is but let's not kid ourselves, Tron, the Tron, is not in it)
Yea Tron, Agrabah, and Beasts Castle all need to show up at some point. So disappointing that they haven’t concluded those stories in the games yet
@@AndySunshine1291 um, the end credits of KH 2 showed Beast becoming human again, so i'm not sure there's more to be done with Beast's Castle.
This is just gonna be me, but I actually want Square Enix to hide as much of the main plot of Kingdom Hearts IV and any of the possible Guardians of Light who appear in the game as much as possible:
It would be make experiencing Sora going against the Foretellers and his reunions with other characters much more impactful if we came in with the mindset of them possibly not appearing
Or even better let us LEARN about them as Sora learns about them so that way we don’t have to have played or watched all of Kingdom Hearts X which despite being an epic story was just poorly represented by it’s appearance as a mobile GATCHA game.
its not just you lol
Technically they can just make the trailers as a separate stories from the game, think of it like an OVA of a movie or TV series.
The issue isn’t spoiler but giving mysteries for ppl to solve. Just a standard storytelling way rather than a direct one
I feel this way about every game, but especially Kingdom Hearts: a 'spoiler' isn't just the plot twist, and it's not even necessarily the story. The characters or locations shown can themselves be spoilers, especially in a long-running franchise like Kingdom Hearts.
They showed the back of Roxas at the end of a trailer. That practically confirmed, itself, that both Roxas and Xion would be saved by the end of the game. Just like... when you know the character arcs and significant locations, seeing characters and places teased in a trailer can give you a decent expectation of what they're doing there, too.
And why they're there.
Back in the 90's and early 00's video games as well as movies were limited to two trailers. It's time to go back to that formula.
Yeah I agree for Kingdom Hearts sake
I'm okay with them revealing Disney worlds, as, again, that's normal. What I'm not okay with is them showing off every world boss like they did in whatever trailer it was. I got a few worlds into that trailer, realized what was happening, and stopped.
I hope they Don't reveal EVERY world though. I enjoy playing kh and discovering new worlds with Sora.
@@onyx_vii7808 if that’s the case then why even make a trailer
I agree. A lot of the major points that were revealed in the trailer lowered the impact they had for me when I played the game. I personally don't mind world reveals, as long as they're not original worlds since a lot of the plot for things like Pirates of the Carribean we kinda already know, or those who were old enough to watch the movies.
And you know what... I might just not watch the rest of the trailers. Maybe one or two when it's gameplay, but other than that, nah.
This is exactly how I feel. I think I’m going to avoid most of the trailers. I don’t mind song reveals because I like to jam the tracks months before the game comes out just to keep my hype going, but yeah I hope they listen to fans this time around. We want to actually experience the game “in” the game, not in trailers. It defeats the purpose of playing it when the whole thing is spoiled.
Even If it's the intro trailer you should watch it
I’m confuse y’all was excited when they showed the trailers but what happened
@@jaygameelixir9610 I guess at the time you couldn’t tell that 90% of the game’s plot and story was being revealed in the trailers. After playing the game you’re less suprised and as many have said, there is less of an impact when something that was intended to be “impactful” happens in the story. That, and some people really hate spoilers. Spoilers literally spoil the experience for many people, hense the name.
@@jaygameelixir9610 I was very excited but then... I got to the Aqua boss fight and I realized it didnt impact me as much as it Shouldve had. Because I already knew she was in trouble. It lessed the impact of an emotional moment or the surprise. HOLY SHOT RIKU REPLICA IS BACK and oh wonder when he showed up. Or oh shits it the fucking teddy bear from union cross and oh... It's the teddy bear.
I feel like kh3 would have been a bit more liked if the whole game wasn't spoiled.
I agree. Regular Pat actually made a video about that. It’s called “Did KH3 ruin itself?”
i went in with 0 knowledge and was not pleased.
You can thank the part of community who got the leaked copies and started uploading major spoilers like kairi death by zehanort in the final battle. I didnt even watch the video. The thumbnail and the title told me everything. I waited 13 years for this game and major hitting moments flopped cause I already seen images I didn't want to see because of some people are assholes.
Looking back I still like kingdom hearts two way more than three. Mostly because everybody knows the final fantasy characters. With the transformations A bit for me personally. And the storylines with the Disney worlds. Especially frozen just make Elsa evil man but she can’t do that with Disney.
@@KamiAnimeS1 Ugh god, that Evil Elsa boss fight could have been so cool! Such a wasted opportunity. I think Disney should just let Nomura do his thing more. He just thinks of such interesting things but Disney is holding him back.
Bro I saw the title talk to my guys about what you might mentioned and we had questions that you legitimately answered throughout the video, top tier content right here. 👌🏾👌🏾
dont forget they showed Roxas taking off his hood in the Keyblade Graveyard in the BIG HERO 6 TRAILER
Avoid any story elements/visuals, keep everything a mystery
They should keep some of the worlds as a surprise this time.
I know, and make it like kh1 where you didn't know what world you were traveling to until you got there.
I remember in kh2 being exited to guess what world was just with the black version of the world. I think I’ll have to block any kh4 content before the release so I can be surprised
Maybe if we didn't have to wait so damn long we wouldn't have had 16 trailers I'm guessing they wanted to keep us updated
That's honestly why I think they did that. To wait 6 fucking years for a game is ridiculous. Fortunately, where the KH devs are using Real Engine and no longer have to deal with the technological growing pains of reinventing all the fundamental assets and mechanics, we should get a much shorter wait time.
@@RCDeschene Exactly what I'm thinking as well.
KH3 was basically in a development hell for almost 6 years since its announcement in 2013, so it's pretty normal that they released trailers almost regularly every year and deliberately reveal some story bits to keep us hyped for the release, which I can tolerate.
Now that they already got the game engine all figured out, KH4 is going to take much shorter development time and therefore most contents of the game can be keep under wraps until its release.
They really messed up with the PR of KH3. I'm fine with them revealing all of the disney worlds, but showing anti-Aqua and the three final worlds was too much.
Imo rule of thumb with japanese media is to avoid trailers if you don't want spoilers.
This isn't just a square thing, you can see this done with anime and film as well. Seems to be a cultural difference more than anything
It’s a trade off between having super hype trailers that surprise us, or waiting longer to experience that excitement and surprise. The long time waiting for KH3 release didn’t help with this decision. I think in order to keep people excited for the game Square Enix felt like they had to have those surprises in the trailer. We won’t be waiting as long for KH4, so hopefully Square Enix trusts that we will stay excited without them giving away so many surprises in the trailers.
Honestly all they gotta do is show off the Disney worlds cus that's a given and showcase new gameplay stuff at the same time and keep it separate from the KH stuff, if they wanna do a "final battle trailer" like right before it comes out thats fine, I just hope they don't make us dodge spoilers for a year
Exactly my thoughts. I think this is why they did this with FF7R and NTWEWY too.
I just hope the games not shit we had to wait so long for 3 and now suddenly we're getting 4 only a couple years later? Sounds like they rushed to make it after 3 sold well at first and with how sora looks like a final fantasy character after dude specifically said before 3 that there wouldn't be anymore final fantasy characters in KH because the series is popular enough it doesn't need any final fantasy characters then turned around and made the main character look like he's from final fantasy they better change him up and only have him have that horrendous look just for that world. If you don't need final fantasy characters in your games then you shouldn't need to have your main character look like one point blank and yes I already know about the scrapped vs that literally has 0 to do with KH just because he started the game we're supposed to be ok with him doing a basically copy and paste and a little edits to make it look like Sora? That's so fucking lazy and nobody seems to care people must love the horrible look final fantasy characters have now they haven't looked good at all since 12 and even then they looked a little funny in the face 13 people looked so stupid and don't even get me started on the horrible never going to be finished 15
It also really doesn't help that there wasn't a whole lot of plot progression in the game before the ending. There's not a lot of exciting plot-focused clips to show in trailers that aren't in the endgame section.
It further doesn't help that KH3's twist was preemptively spoiled in DDD: we're just told outright that Xehanort WANTS the Guardians of Light to assemble, and where he'll be waiting while you go about doing that. Coulda gotten a LOT out of having those reveals happen IN KH3.
@@Chris420x1 Dude, no...
Just because 3 had an ABNORMALLY (key word) long development time doesn't mean that suddenly KH4 is being rushed out. KH games used to come out once every year you know, with some empty slots here and there. And we got TWO (three if you count Missing-Link soon) games that came out before KH4, too. These games all started development right after dev for KH3 finished (not even its release a little later.) And the Osaka Team doesn't have to completely start from scratch in the middle this time (AND have a good grasp on the engine they're using now), too.
And yes, it was confirmed that Sora is only going to look like that in Quadratum/Unreality. No need to get your panties in a twist. By the way, Nomura said there weren't any FF characters in 3 because of time and plot constraints. Also, it's not because the series is popular enough, Nomura said it was because the supporting characters could hold their own now without the FF. I think that he was just BSing to the interviewer for some weird company Red Tape reasons, though, since the time constraint answer came after Re Mind.
Either way, there are reasons for why things are the way they are. All we have to do is wait and find out instead of getting angry at something that isn't a problem and is gonna be explained to you in the near future.
You heard the man, DONT do it Square Enix. We’re watching you…
Yea square smh smh
fair and SQUARE
Seriously. I almost don’t want to watch any trailer (obviously I will) until release after seeing this video. I wanna go in completely blind, but yeah.
Woahhhhh my guys a KH fan?! Ma boi!! 🤝🤝🤝🤝💯💯💯
For me, no amount of trailers seen or unseen would've helped in regards to my personal experience of it. I just hope that more thought and care is put into the *actual* story of KH.
Agreed. I only watched the first couple trailers before I got the game at release and started playing it, and I outright stopped playing the game before finishing it because of how little fun I was having. Finally went back and played the whole thing (without ReMind) this year and it was _ok_
Just don't treat people who like it poorly.
@@camharkness That sentiment goes both ways.
@@nomadicgamer9466 yes.
I think they should show trailers of only Disney stuff, no endgame stuff. Hard core fans are always buying the game guaranteed because of the endgame, so you don’t have to show it in trailers and risk spoiling it.
Same, I don’t even want them to show the other Guardians of Light or other important characters besides MoM, Luxu and the Foretellers
^^^Yes this!!
...... I never knew I dodged a trailer bullet this whole time😂.
I believe the fandom is totally on the same page with you. The problem with S.E. ending up showing too much stuff in the trailers was that the bar was set too high, as for instance with the "final battle trailer" you basically spoiler everything to me then I'd assume "Well if they are so confident with their work it means that besides that there will be a lot MORE to uncover both story and gameplay-wise in the actual game" and if this is not the case well it's no surprise if a fan ends up being disappointed.
Nomura said "well...those trailers only show a minimum dont worry...we didnt show the best parts"
- aha...
I feel like Square feels a bit obligated to release a lot of trailers because we haven't had any big news for a long time. So a kind of "compensation". They even did the same for Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Should it hopefully lead to KH4 developing much more smoothly, I'd prefer that we get 4 trailers total, not including any endgame stuff.
Square has been doing this with games for a really long time, it’s not gonna change unfortunately.
I forgot they did that with FF7 Remake. While I played the original and know the story that final battle trailer didn't bothered as much with KH3. Although, that final trailer for FF7 Remake didn't need to be shown either.
I agree 100%. I would even count NeoTWEWY to this list since they've been teasing fans since 2010.
8:18 when you stabbed your toe but everyone is alseep 🤣
With everything they showed in the trailers, I had this idea in my mind: “If they showed this much, I can’t wait to see what they DIDN’T show.” Come to find out when I finished the game that they showed EVERYTHING. Even after the Xehanort fight, I thought there was more to the game with Sora still having to save Kairi just to find out that that was the end!
Square Enix please take your time to make kingdom hearts 4 don’t rush and don’t release the trailer until kingdom hearts 4 about to be release.
im glad i skipped most trailers and my bad memory makes up for anything i did see, kingdom hearts 3 was a surprise to me
i watched no trailer and was disappointed about the story. cant imagine how bad it must have been for someone who watched all the trailers
Cuz they took the GREAT/complicated plot of the KH story(not disney shit) and dumbed it down for kh3, made it basically a disney game not a SE game, disney should not be in the game. Literally does nothing for the ACTUAL story and lore. Plus it takes away from the actual tome of genocide, light darkness etc, child experimentation. But nah disney ruins everything
Spot on. I had high expectations for years and saw every trailer. This game ruined KH for me. Absolutely terrible. To see that KHIV is seemingly doubling down on everything III was makes me sure that I’m done with the franchise.
As someone who never watched the KH3 trailers... HOLY SHIT thats bad. Thank god I didnt watch it and absolutely ruin my first experience with the game.
Can we please just get a non-mobile remake or cinematic before KH4 that summarizes the plot of all the mobile games??
That would be excellent! If we don’t get that though - I watched damo279’s videos on Unchained X, dark road and etc. I would recommend them as they were so good at summing up the story
My ideal promotion for KHIV is they reveal every world except for 3-4 and they only show everything up to the mid point of the game story wise. I think they'll keep things secret as this is a beginning of a new arc, but I want them to keep certain things quiet like Ava and Subject X. What I'm saying is a promotional cycle similar to Stranger Things 4 would be enough for me.
Please for the love of God, don't give us another Pirates of the Caribbean world
Yes I whole heartily agree I hated that boat boss fights in Kingdom Hearts 3 it was so stressful losing on that boss fights every fucking time ⏲️
I know something that's worse.
NFT Keyblades in KH4.
I avoided all of the KH3 trailers and I am so glad I did.
Since Me and my Brother only watched like Rapunzel, and the ´general Trailer, we went in almost completely fresh. I hope KH4 doesnt do like Cyberpunk with revealing the whole story and its side missions lol... Tho we have to say, the leak of those illegal copies of KH3 were mainly at fault for its "promotion" so early...
But that incident really showed the whole community coming together and supporting each other as a whole.
Bro Japan don't give a fuck about spoilers. They live spoiling everything. That's their culture
Yuuuup!
Aqua is a character that only Kingdom Hearts fans actually know. The casual gamer knows Sora and maybe the rest of the Destiny Island trio, but that's probably it. Showing Anti-Aqua definitely got loads of attention, memes, and "she's been Norted!!", but I agree that it might not have been the best move because the people most invested in Aqua's story, or even know who she is, were gonna buy the game anyway.
You know that aint gonna happen. Square knows the saying: "There is a sucker born every minute" very well.
I 100% agree with this, I definitely want trailers showing me what the game is like and how stuff works but for God’s sake, leave the plot alone.
At first i assumed that Square Enix was taking the "KH is too confusing meme" seriously by showing too much thinking that viewers wouldn't be able to comprehend any of it buuut they've been spoiling most of their games through trailers for YEARS now, an example would be Final Fantasy XV and Neo: The World Ends with You... It's exhausting
Ok I'm gonna be honest, I was excited every time we got a kh3 trailer and when it got leaked, I watched a lot of the gameplay before my copy came, but I agree with this.
I watched Dr. Strange a few days ago without seeing a single trailer (other than the after credits scenes from No Way Home) and it made the experience so much better for me.
Except that movie was horrible
@@Anonymous.Throne if you havent watched wandavision or loki then i would say dont bother tbh
@@Anonymous.Throne yeah, definitely watch wandavision first.
@@Anonymous.Throne honest opinion, it's fun but not as good as the first one. There were a couple aspects story wise that I didn't like.
I somehow only saw the olympus trailer
I'll probably watch one more trailer just to see what the game looks like in unreal 5. Other than that, I'll try to avoid them, but the problem is avoiding trailer spoilers is almost impossible online. Even if you don't actually watch the trailers, you'll inevitably run into thumbnails or headlines that throw the biggest juiciest spoilers right in your face, and you won't realize what you're reading until you've already read it. I don't know if just trying to avoid them is a tenable option. We really just need to hope that they won't release as many trailers as they did for KH3. I really hope they've learned their lesson from that debacle.
My ideal is just 2 trailers-one as a beta teaser focusing on setting up tone and story, and a second, fuller trailer elaborating on story content while also showing a decent amount of gameplay and level design. That's it. Keep in mind, for KH1 and 2 we only got I think one main trailer for each game and a couple of TV spots. That's the right way to go about it. Maintain the mystery.
We all got our ups and down with KH3. For me it was no arena/coliseum and hardly any FF characters for Base game.
Kimahri in Arendelle was a missed opportunity.
Still enjoyed the game. It was at the end of the day a very fun game.
But it could of felt a little bit more like a "Kingdom Hearts" game. It suppose to be a crossover.
However I gotta admit....the "Donald Duck" moment was a very VERY Final Fantsy thing to do.
Cheers and hopes for the best!
I feel like they've learned how much they fucked up for KH3 when it comes to trailers. I expect at most 6 trailers atm for kh4 especially considering that game development won't take as much to finish. But still if they show any of the end game sequences .. i'll be malding hard xD
I agree don’t drip feed the plot please. Maybe 1 trailer per e3 period. And maybe one at games award per year so that makes 6 if a 2024 becomes a reality
The trailers are for the people who are not yet convinced to buy the game. That's why they show as much as possible to bait them in. They are not trying to get the money from the hardcore fans because they already know that we will buy it. The fans need to take some accountability here. Nobody is forcing you to watch the trailers. I understand someone might get accidentally spoiled but that's just how it is. Showing off a lot in the trailers gives them more sales and there is no way they will make a compromise here. It's money over integrity every single time.
Honestly I can say kh3 was my least favourite out of the trilogy (not including the Nintendo/BBS games). Idk I just felt like something didn’t hit right with me, maybe cause it felt like they crammed everything KH related in the end and focused on Disney. The other games had a strong blend of both by making sora revisiting traverse/hollow bastion to further the main plot and having a organization 13 really be the main antagonist in the Disney worlds (like beast and Xaldins}. And I felt like the bosses in the game were very lacklustre, Final fantasy characters were pretty much non-existent, and have more organization 13 battles in the Disney worlds (idk fighting organization 13 members inside a Disney world just hits different). Before I start ranting I’ll stop.
I never got spoiled for KH3 because I was too busy playing and finishing the other games in the series for the first time, even after receiving the KH3 in the mail. So all the beats that the game was trying to give actually left an impact on me.
Yeah this is something that Square must not do for KH4 (I know MoM dodged the bullet tho that was a smaller entry and the plot was mostly at the end of the game) and I would also say the same for FF7R Part 2.
As they did spoil a bit of endgame with FF7R Part 1 with the final trailer, especially with Sephiroth stabbing Barret. But man, aside from the KH3 final battle trailer: Demon Tower sucking the guardians to death, Sephiroth stabbing Barret in FF7R Part 1’s Final Trailer and lastly FUCKING THE SPECIAL NOISE KILLING PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE CAST IN NEO TWEWY WHICH WAS SHOWN IN NEO TWEWY’S FINAL TRAILER.
Square has an annoying habit of thinking that a good way of marketing is to have main characters hurt or dead during the endgame section to really really want players to buy their game. When it really loses that impact and shock value when people do see it from the trailer first and then the game.
I’ve already made the decision to not watch anymore trailers after the next one
I honestly don't care if they show the disney stuff, the original worlds in other hand...
Please don't. :v
I guess this why people have different opinions cause I like spoilers, it gives me something to look forward to because now I know what’s happening but I want to know why it happened so to me spoilers help gain my attention
Me too
Thankfully avoided Squares final trailer for FF7 Remake which had spoiled some stuff (around end game too).
This should be given the ff 16 treatment. They revealed it like over a year ago and haven't shown ANYTHING and are now saying "were in the final stages of debelopment". Maybe we get one more trailer announcing the release date and then get 16. Nothing is spoiled and it's been in the back of my mind since it was announced. I kinda need KH to do this.
Yea adverting for KH3 for *SIX YEARS* was just absolutely maddening. By the time the game came out, myself and a lot of friends no longer cared.
I personally found Kingdom Hearts 3 lacked what the first two Kingdom Hearts games had. It lacked story until later but implemented so much of Disney worlds. It felt underdeveloped for all the years they put into the game.
The spoilers made the game lack with trailers after trailers on end what to expect. The form changes were nice and the action was nice. I felt there wasn’t much to discuss in the game other than the plot twist that Sora’s being Sora and will be gone from reality to a world of fiction AKA Quadratum. Not too much Final Fantasy characters here. It was pretty bare for a Kingdom Hearts game third installment.
Square Enix should not spoil so much and keep everything hush hush. At least limit to two trailers of something that will not spoil the game. Square Enix showed one trailer already and it was plenty but maybe the second trailer could be along the lines of what Sora’s thinking because he looks so confused and dazed.
Kh3 lacked story because the story has been stretched to all the non-numbered entries of the KH series. All the games between 1 and 2 brought a lot of growth and convoluted questioning into the lore. KH3 imo lacked because it was trying hard and rushed. KH3 felt like it was trying a lot of new things, reaching a new audience all while trying to feed its main audience what they are expecting. With the implementation of the mobile games, the story has started to go very…south in comparison to what it used to be. Trying to keep up continuity over multiple platforms imo is going to cause later installments to feel less impactful. Because if you aren’t playing kingdom hearts like the Pokémon franchise and buying every bit of merch, game, lore and etc. the the next game will feel like the comparison of FFX to FFX-2 (what the fuck happened) Square need to drop this Disney stuff. In all seriousness I know that will never happen, but like sora can’t stay trapped as a child forever.. he can’t be let to stay a Peter Pan syndrome kid forever. Disney is weighing down the real development and growth of Kingdom Hearts. Even the theories of Yozora being a rewritten noctis kinda prove that as well. Don’t be shocked if KH4 actually is worse than KH3. Cause it just might be. They can’t carry the game based on its graphical looks forever.
@@justsomeguy4422 without Disney, there is no Kingdom Hearts
@@justsomeguy4422 I agree but there are some deep story elements if you search in the game. However I felt the mobile games weighed down Kingdom Hearts into a different direction and felt completely nuanced into its personal issue. After all it was made by the same developers as Birth By Sleep. Don’t get me wrong, Birth By Sleep was good but it wasn’t great. There was also the appeal to fandom and how I felt the story caved way too fast. If there were to be another arc, I’d have imagined Sora in the next sequel dark and gritty and not painted dark with Disney effects. I know what you mean by Disney, their flashy abilities and carnival rides made KHIII more cartoony than it was supposed to feel compared to Kingdom Hearts 1 or 2. One particular nuanced story element is Sora supposedly having to be changed as weaker but he definitely felt more powerful than the past two.
@@brando3424 I do understand that to a degree but there are fine lines when a man needs to tell his story without Goofy or Donald taking up the scenes for jokes or the cringeworthy Mickey being absolutely powerful in the first two games and brought down to nothing in the third installment. I sincerely hope Nomura gets his direction and convolutes the story without Disney meddling in some half assed joke with any characters too much. So far, I do love how Kingdom Hearts 3 allows the ideas for the Disney characters to have serious story elements such as the trailer for 4 to have them find Hades. Although comical, it makes you wonder what will happen.
@@ozero00rockon yeah i didn't understand why Mickey's power scaling got so nerfed in KH III. MAYBE it's because Sora surpassed him? Not sure but i didn't think the humor from Donald and goofy was too obnoxious. And kingdom hearts 1 and 2 were still pretty serious stories. I just do not know how they'll implement the Disney worlds with Sora being in reality. Maybe there will be more final fantasy characters alongside the established ones from the previous games? We still need round three between Cloud and Sephiroth
You forgot about roxas reveal in final trailer
They didn't really do anyone any favors as it got closer to the release date we've got so many trailers, sometimes between 2 or 3 in one session.
Square has to have one of the worst marketing teams in gaming.
they either show to much, or show stuff to early that ends up ultimately getting removed.
they gave us the kh4 trailer, which gives us a good conceptual idea of what its gonna be. Now they just need to make sure they don't show to much, or only shows us stuff that is to make it in the final gane.
I’d find it hard to understand if a trailer just shows jumbles of different scenes and what the game would be about.
Que Sora, dialogue without a cutscene and Sora in action somehow.
Then show the first trailer where he wakes up on the couch and the next dialogue a hint why he was there?
Cut.
Then people get lost. Literally.
I've also assumed the concept of Watch the initial reveal trailer. watch the first proper gameplay trailer. then just wait until game releases. so as to go into the game as blind as possible.
PLEASE JUST DON’T MAKE THE COMBAT FLOATY! 😩
What's wrong with floaty combat
@@cjgamer6356 We’ve been robbed of the gravity we once knew.
While Square DID show off way too much of the game before release, this was also in part due because of the need to start from scratch when they swapped from their engine to Unreal Engine. That caused a much longer delay hence why they probably felt the need to consistently show off more, so that way they wouldn't just show off nothing for all those years of delayment
"You can get a rather good idea of what was happening in Kingdom Hearts 3 just based on the trailers"
Nomura: Really? Time to make the plot even more confusing.
Square showed off a lot for FF7R too, even tho many know the story. I understand profit is important, but it seems they care little to nothing about surprising us through our personal experience.
God of War 2018 is a good example of how to market. They concealed many surprises and that game scored 10 across the board and won GOTY. Take note Square, take note.
It's because Japan doesn't really care
Bacon, lettuce, cheese and goddamn tomato on a small ciabatta with relish! Square Enix needs to chill with their marketing
I went completely into media blackout *for years* and the Toy Story world blew my mind. I did the same for FF7R.
I had the exact same experience with the new Dr Strange movie. The trailers pretty much revealed all key points of the movie.
Really hope this does not happen with KH 4.
I mean WandaVision pretty much spoiled the plot for Dr. Strange 2 long before the trailers did.
I’m aware the topic of this video is they shouldn’t even give the option to watch this stuff in trailers, but I thought it was worth noting that you don’t have to watch them if they do.
I never watched the opening movie or the final battle trailer just because I knew I didn’t need to see that stuff before playing.
Yes we didn't had to watch it but it was THERE and it was KH3 of all things.
@@Terimator20 yes. That is what i said.
Are those Keyblade wands in the background? Or maybe quils?
I will say that I couldn't stand when the trailer for possesed/dark aqua being revealed how much people would say; " aqua got norted guys! omg, aqua got norted!" me: "yeah? oh no...." inside it was like well, now for another trailer to reveal the ending of the game now at this point.
The only one I will say I appreciated going a little over or it was showing the intro, just because it really cemented the idea that the game was almost in my hands
This is one of the reasons why I try my best to skip trailers from games or shows like pretty much all trailers do this and kills all the hype and suspense
When the Kingdom hearts 3 final trailer came out the reveal of anti aqua and scala ad caelum was unnecessary for those trailers and when new kingdom hearts 4 trailers come out ima be cautious on the wording of the trailers as best as i can especially anything with the word final in it
Boutta just stay off social media the day trailers drop. If it’s Disney worlds, I’ll be okay with it, but I don’t wanna be spoiled with the KH story aspect.
Honestly it’s most likely due to the fact that the game was delayed so much so many times that is probably the reason why they released so many trailers so people at least had some thing before the game came out but you’re absolutely right they gave out too many flipping secrets and trailers
Yeah now that I think about it, they didn't show a lot of trailers for KH1 and 2 (of course TH-cam wasn't really a thing yet either). So you might have a good point there.
So far, Final Fantasy XVI is exactly what I want out of KH4's promotion cycle. It was announced, we get mini tidbits of detail every so often, no trailer, no news or anything for about a year. And then BOOM: within the coming weeks, we're set to have a final trailer and the release date at some point this year or early next at the latest. It's wonderful we know very little about FF16, and considering we're diving into so much unknown with fictional worlds and Quadratum, I want the exact same for KH4
That commercial break at around 8:20 something lol
The problem with square enix is they always spoiled the main plot of their game. If we look at the past Square enix game such as FFXV, Kingdom hearts 3 and FF 7 remake(not intergrade) they keep spoil us the endgame content especially when the game is about to release.
I would be happy with 4 if they did it in a normal fashion. But with how KH promotes itself before an alpha is even made, 6 (2 a year) would be a safer option.
And definitely don't display your twists for shock value. Shock value in the game itself would've been SOOOOO much better for the game review itself instead of shock valuing your Trailer.
I think one of the best things I did for myself and my KH3 experience was to stop watching the trailers. Some trailers were so hype that I couldn't avoid them because they blew up the KH community (looking at the Anti Aqua trailer), but I didn't know all of the Disney world's that would appear, I didn't watch the opening movie, or the final trailer, etc. It took a crap ton of self control, but when I hear about so many people being disappointed in the game, I can't help but think how many of those people's experiences got let down because they essentially knew (or THOUGHT they knew) everything that was gonna happen?
true kh 3 only had 25% of its content as a the main story ( but it is squre and disney's strategy after all )
I’ve been watching your KH3 let’s play videos while I work recently and in every other video, if not every video, you mentioned a story bit that you were anticipating in a trailer.
Specifically seeing Young Xehanort in San Fransokyo or all the characters surviving the keyblade war after being decimated by Terranort
With this new kingdom hearts, I would love it if they had a star wars world. It would fit so well with the themes of light and darkness. Keyblade masters are also kind of parallel to jedi and sith. I also really hope they put in a final fantasy world. Speaking of which, it would be nice if they went the final fantasy route where after a character joins your party, they travel with you to different locations and their character development happens over the course of the game instead of just being limited to a small section or "worlds" In the case of kingdom hearts. For example, if we could swap jack sparrow into the party in any world after we unlocked him and he remained part of the story after his section was completed.
To be fair Kh3 didn't have many ACTUAL game story elements until the end. So they didn't have much non disney stuff to put in the trailers. But yeah they definitely reveal too much. Like the whole game pretty much
If we take into account the number of trailers we had for _Kingdom Hearts II_ marketing before the game came out it was roughly 6-8 trailers from the various events revealed such as E3, Tokyo Game Show and Jump Festa whereas _Birth by Sleep_ and _Dream Drop Distance_ marketing had around 4-5 trailers before the game's release.
If _Kingdom Hearts IV_ does come out in mid-late 2024 and if we get another KHIV trailer for a brand new Disney world around September 2022 during D23 2022 or Tokyo Game Show 2022 and future trailers during later events (Jump Festa 2023, E3 2023, TGS 2023, etc.) I could expect 6-8 trailers where some of them are centered on the new Disney world revealed and other Disney worlds are revealed all at once similar to KH2, BBS, and DDD trailers when they revealed most of the new Disney worlds in their respective trailers.
Time to watch this thanks for the content as always
just dont show us who is the master of masters really is and the foretellers
Yeah I remember they were making trailers for each world you visit as the release date was nearing.
Well, I feel like showing Donald and Goofy was already a big spoiler, given the nature of this game's evident potential plot and how 3 ended.
We're left with the impression that Sora is gone, potentially for good, but the others are going to try to find him. And it's alright to show some characters, because I don't think their appearance guarantees much of anything, but they need to be careful with who they show and what they are shown doing. If we see a scene with Riku bringing Sora through some portal back to their own world, well, that's a big spoiler.
But I'm in the same boat nonetheless. No spoilers. Dark Aqua might've been the biggest spoiler for 3. I also wish they kept a few more of the worlds secret. Olympus was the first world so it works as a world reveal well. Toy Story would've been the best to show off, because it was so highly requested. Frozen was a fair show, if a bit on the nose. Pirates was also good, but I definitely wouldn't reveal any more than those 4 worlds and maybe some of the KH unique worlds. It's just a bad idea in general to reveal The Final World and Scala, since they are supposed to be big surprises for the end game.
So I completely agree w the trailer stuff but to clarify u still like kingdom hearts 3 (especially the completed re:mind version) or have u joined the KH3 was bad & worried the series or was wasted group
If you ask me, KH4, 4 trailers, 3 remaining, show dev progress and artistic design, gameplay, some new abilities, reaction commands, etc, but in terms of story and scope, show nothing, show little to no plot. If Square can do that, this will go smoothly. Maybe do a 5th prelaunch trailer where you show off some Yoko Shimamura and her amazing ost tracks for 4, again only for kh4 tunes we've heard, and that's it. Done. Make sure the final release has A, no Star Wars bs, "beginner friendly" tutorial junks, or floatiness please, and B, if you do Marvel don't just reuse the Square Enix knockoff Marvel characters. Like, don't give us KH2 Pirates, give us KH3 Pirates, in terms of Marvel. Don't do an RDJ and then voice him inaccurately, ya know? And finally, C... Blow us away Nomura.
The problem here was that to prove that the game was still in development and to maintain the hype train for the game, they had to show stuff. Impacting stuff. Stuff that would be talked about everywhere (the spoilery bits).
If they learned, if the game is just 2 to 3 years ahead, I think they'll think twice before showing stuff
Honestly, I might only watch a couple more trailers just to get a sense of what the game will be like and then go media blackout on the game. It might be difficult, especially due to thumbnails and spoilers being thrown everywhere in TH-cam and Twitter, but I’ll do my best. I’ll come back and watch the trailers after I play the game to see how much they showed off.
It was only snippets of the opening movie. Not the whole thing by any means. But good point.
6:41 ROLLIN' AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND!
One thing I do like about the Scala ad cealum as unnecessary as it was, was that I thought sora would be on his own but then in the final game he’s with Donald and goofy. That was the clever move. Best thing about kh3! The dynamic between those 3 was just incredible!
i never really knew that many trailers for KHIII even existed.
my cousin and i stayed away from as much as possible, and we both had an amazing experience with the game.
one event i see everyone disappointed in, was the reveal of Dark Aqua.
and not to rub it in people’s faces, but my cousin and I FREAKED when she came on screen.. because we genuinely, no pun intended, stayed in the dark about it.
i really hope whoever reads this kinda gets the idea: just dont watch the trailers. they spoil way more than you think.
much love :)
I actually managed to avoid every single trailer for kh3. So every single moment was blind for me. And I loved all of it. I was so lucky
Yeah, me too! I'm glad I refused to watch the last-five trailers that they shown before the game released. I ended up playing the game blind as well! It was great too!
What I do nowadays whether it's a game or film, I just watch the first-two trailers that get released. Afterwards, I'm done! I will avoid the rest of the trailers that get released. I'm already sold, so there's no need to watch more.
You must have had a great time with the game. I knew the entire plot before playing it and I was fucking sad🤣
Same.
I always get suprised when I see a comment saying someone liked kh3 and it isn't filled with reply after reply from kh2fm fans insulting the op
I might do the same for Kh4. I only gonna remember the 20th anni trailer as a way to bridge the gap from kh3.