A fifth-wheel for a half-ton truck!!! Check this out!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ย. 2017
- I had no idea they made a fifth-wheel that was tow-able with a half-ton truck! While we were visiting Walnut Ridge and filming I had the chance to tour the Cougar 29RKS and see what all this half-ton capable fifth-wheel had to offer.
Special thanks to our sponsor Walnut Ridge for allowing me to come film for the day, and for the fantastic guided tour!
Cougar 29RKS - www.walnutridgerv.com/product...
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I just bought the 36' version of this by Keystone, weighs just under 12,000 pounds. Was also told that it was designed for 1/2 tons. I pull it with a 3/4 ton diesel, and based on how much of a load it puts on my truck, I can not imagine anyone using a 1/2 ton for this. There is absolutely no way a 1/2 ton could handle this safely and travel thru any hilly areas.
No way is this half ton towable. I have towed a FW at dry 6900lb, while the numbers are ok even with max tow or HD payload, stability and braking are poor. I tow now with F250 6.2l and it is a great match. We knew when buying the FW I was planning on replacing the truck at the end of that year. It truly gave me the opportunity to try what they call "halfton towable" and now able to compare and honestly speak to it. Safe travels!
I agree. This is even beyond what my 1998 F250 (light duty) will tow.
So many below are missing the key point. It is not the tow capacity, it is the Payload Capacity: king pin weight, hitch weight (~200lbs) 15-20% of added trailer weight (propane and battery and cargo) and truck cargo (you, others, cargo). The payload weight is on the drivers B pillar. It is measured for each truck individually as they leave the line. Sure it may pull like a dream, but like bending a paper clip, it will break: tires, bearings, suspension, etc. Then the laywer will take everything you own in an accident.
Hey what's your occupation?
I have a Rockwood ultra light with 3 slides. The dry weight is 7,560 lbs. they say it’s half ton towable as well with a short bed truck. I actually bought my new truck before I bought the camper and decided to get the Ram 2500 heavy duty for better pulling power.
Wow, and people tell me I can't haul a simple 2 horse gooseneck with a small weekender with my truck... can't imagine what ALL that weight is inside this big trailer! Especially with the slideouts and countertops! Probably thousands over the max!
Nikki, I want to tell you that you're the ONLY salesperson ever on the internet who actually has a brain! I'm so sick of watching 'reviews' where some moron spends 25 minutes on the OUTSIDE before going inside! You're exactly right, if you don't like the inside, who gives a shit about the outside??? Thanks, there's hope for humanity yet!
I purchased a trailer that the salesman said "could" have been towed with (at the time) with my F150. After buying the trailer, I found out that the pin weight with a loaded truck (people) was too much. I bought a F250 and towed it without any problems for a few years. But, I soon learned that these light weight trailers are fair weather units. I could not cool it in hot weather and in cold weather, the heater was on all the time. Keep this in mind if you are thinking about getting one of these light weight trailers. They are not built with the insulation qualities of a heavier trailer.
I just bought this rig... I love the floor plan! I guess I’m going from the Gimpy Camper to the Gimpy Glamper
The Gimpy Camper congrats!! It's a beautiful camper and you are right, it's a great floorplan
How much do they run for? If you don't mind me asking...
Lol love how he says you can talk 😂😂
Braidan Playsroblox i know, I know...it sounded bad. She is super shy and thought she would ruin the video if she said something. I was telling her it was okay to talk 😂
Throw a bag of ice cubes and the toilet enzyme stuff in your toilet when you are packing up & ready to go, and only use RV toilet paper. Works great. The ice cubes knock the crud off the inside of the tank and the next time you connect & dump, everything washes right out.
what is the purpose of the ice cubes? They will melt rather quickly. Sorry for the naive question.
You do it right before you leave and they slosh around and help break "things" up 💩
Leaning from the comments that buying a 3/4 ton truck to pull a 1/2 ton trailer is perfect
Very nice
This video reminds me that I should be worried about all the people out there being mislead by sales people who don't understand towing capacity. Do your homework people!! For your safety and my families safety! Don't just take a salesperson's word for it!!
Walnut Ridge is a great family owned dealer! We are suppose to go see them at their store!
Tim Smith that's awesome to hear! Be sure to drop my name for the VIP treatment :-)
If you end up buying something don't miss the chance to register for the step giveaway I have going on. They were generous enough to give me a set to give away.
Thanks for that heads up. This TT is just about perfect. Yes with that weight it would work for a F250. You would still have some payload left. Not a lot but yes its doable. My wife really wants a tub but with not going BIG, most are just showers. But we would definitely have that seat part. That would be a must because of her foot. That would work for us. I was going to ask price but I watched again and just caught that on the table. Little high but that means there are some possibilities. And good news, I made up my mind on the new truck. Found a deal on a 2017 F250 6.7. Pulled the trigger Sat but it is out a ways and still waiting for it to get to my dealer. Nice review. Thanks......
That's awesome news about the truck! Yeah it was a very cool TT. It feels a lot like our Puma...which is why I think I liked it so much. I am going back Friday to film some additional TT's so look for that video soon.
nice layout. like the counter space in the kitchen. My Nissan Titan is rated to tow 9500LBS. My previous Dodge diesel was only rated to tow 10,500LBS in a 3/4 ton.
Gotta love the capabilities of a diesel. I have heard great things about the Titans. I have never owned one though.
I owned 3 dodge diesels. fuel was too expensive and initial cost of the vehicle was much more. Great if you pull fulltime. at the time I was.
Diesel fuel is def a factor and YES, everything is more expensive. We have a Ford F-350 SD
Was it a crewcab?
systemisdisturbed our 350 is a crewcab. We bought it mainly for the extra room.
Our 1/2 ton Tundra tows our travel trailer at a “whooping” 3700lbs
Layout needs to be switched kitchen on drivers side. Dinette on passenger side so when you`re camping you can look at you`re camp site not the neighbor`s. Bedroom needs windows on both sides
When talking half ton towable it isn't actual weight that they need to discuss they need to discuss pin weight. Most half ton trucks will only have a 1,300lbs- 1,900lbs of payload with an average of 1,500lbs of payload so you are maxing out your trucks payload before you put people and equipment in the truck which will get you in trouble if you were to get into an accident along with increased wear and tear on your truck. Yes this trailers pin weight is 1,600lbs almost 1,700lbs but you are still almost maxing out the truck before you put anything inside
You are spot on. Very few 1/2 tons with the ability to pull this trailer loaded. Its empty weight is a couple hundred pounds under a Ram 1500 capacity, but what happens when you load your 1200 pounds of stuff in it? And 2 adults are adding 400 pounds or better. These are not stable with a half ton, and you are going to wear your truck out quick.
You're right Brad Davidson, just because they say you can doesn't mean you should.
A neighbor of mine was an insurance adjuster. He told me that's the first thing they check after a TT / RV accident is the load. The amount of denied claims was very high.
No really, it's a great fiver for a guy with no belongings who camps alone and only keeps his gas tank half full.
No, it;s not half ton towable.
Agreed. I think I've only seen one fifth wheel that I would consider towing with a half ton after some modifications to the truck. Dealers should not be openly advertising fifth wheels as half ton towable. If they start manufacturing half ton fifth wheels I would question the quality of the trailer and why it's so light or assume half ton trucks are becoming more capable, which is the case sometimes. However, It is very misleading to say all half tons can tow this. I would rather hear "this trailer is towable with a capable half ton".
Totally agree Mike! So many people think because the weight of the trailer is within the towable limit of a half ton that the are within limits but if the pin weight of this trailer is 1600lbs there’s no way a half ton is within limits.
I fell for a salesman’s pitch with the “half ton towable” on our trailer but after a year with it and taking it to the scales I now drive a 3/4 ton.
I thought it was very cool that you gave your better half permission to speak at 2:31....
Don Craft hahahaha!! She is always so shy around the camera. I try to tell her all the time that it's okay to talk. I don't know that she will ever get over her fear.
She is a killer camera operator though.
I own a 2017 Keystone Cougar Xlite 25RES and my F-150 tows it with plenty of capacity and ease.
Ed Frulla great info, thank you
Good to know. That's what we have and we are looking for a 5th wheel
Ed Frulla, I just bought a 2018 F150 with 2.7 Eco boost and 10 speed trans. Based on your experience, is this 5th wheel light enough to tow with my truck??? I get so many different answers depending on where you go. Went to 2 different Ford dealers, got two different answers on what I can tow.
the most success I had was to take your VIN number, go to Ford's website and access their online chat. Tell them you are looking for your specific trucks tow capacity and give them the vin. They are very helpful and tell you your exact vehicle information. There are so many variables: tow package, transmission cooler, etc... You can also take a picture of the RPO codes in your glovebox and look up those specific codes to see what your truck has. Check out my other video for more info: th-cam.com/video/XUC5dZAnaT8/w-d-xo.html
You are missing the key point. It is not the tow capacity, it is the Payload Capacity: king pin weight, hitch weight (~200lbs) 15-20% of added trailer weight (propane and battery and cargo) and truck cargo (you, others, cargo). The payload weight is on the drivers B pillar. It is measured for each truck individually as they leave the line. Sure it may pull like a dream, but like bending a paper clip, it will break: tires, bearings, suspension, etc. Then the laywer will take everything you own in an accident.
It’s absolutely mind blowing how many misinformed RVers there are when it comes to towing. Just because you got a 400hp hemi and a 10k Tow capacity doesn’t mean you can pull a 9k 5er. Check your payload capacity people. A family member of mine has a 2017 Ram bighorn 5.7 4x4. He only has 1399lbs of payload. By the time you add hitch weight and passengers you’re out of luck. If you own a standard cab long box 2wd then maybe.
i own a half ton Ram 1500 and i have put variable rate 3/4 ton springs on it however all in all it is still a half ton chassis.. I would never pull this trailer with my half ton pickup.. EVER! My puckup isnt designed to tow something like this and much more important it isnt as capable to stop it as a 3/4 or 1 ton would be.. Just cause they put the words 1/2 ton towable doesnt mean that in real life it truly is.. it might be fine just going across town but if you hit the hwy your only asking for trouble..
Yeah I’d be really hesitant about pulling that trailer I had a 30 foot and it pushed my f 150 around the 1/2 ton trucks just don’t weigh enough
Specs for the Cougar 29RKS say the hitch weight is 1670 lbs. With 2 adults in the truck, that makes the load on the truck at least 1970 lbs. Please explain how this is ok for a half ton truck pulling this every day long distance?
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I pull my fifth wheel with a Kenworth. I removed the first drive axle so it now its a single drive.
It doesnt even feel the trailer back there and I really dont even use the electric brakes on the trailer.
I’ll race any of you with pickup trucks towing any kind of trailers you have up the hill to Flagstaff or to the Flying J on top of the Grapevine. I just had to rub it in guys. Lol
We have a half ton camper. And had the half ton truck. Had to get a 3/4 ton truck. Kept going threw tires. Was told by Camping World carrying to much weight for a half ton truck. So got a 3/4 ton truck. If you get in a accident because you are carrying to much weight. Your fault no matter what. Plus you are not driving safe. So people if you get a half ton camper get a 3/4 ton truck. Be safe.
Going through tires because you were not using the correct tires. This had nothing to do with the tow vehicle. The 3/4 ton trucks come standard with the "E" rated tires. The 1/2 ton trucks come with LT tires. You spent WAY to much $$ to upgrade your tires. Camping World sold you a bill of goods. As for the old wive's tale of "you're at fault if you weigh too much", it isn't true. Fault is separated between civil and criminal liability. If you are overweight (which 90% of RVs on the road are) you will not be criminally liable for an accident you did not directly cause. Insurance (civil) may argue for a bit, but generally, insurance goes the way of the police citations for direct causation. This is my experience as a professional accident investigator. The last false impression is that a 1/2 ton can't stop a trailer. Any trailer that weighs over 3500# is required to have trailer brakes. If the manufacturer lists the max weight, it is safe to tow and stop. These weights are based on a litany of liability de-ratings of the equipment. Having traveled that entire world, it is only in the United States that we "require" so much vehicle to tow a trailer.
Someone please tell me how this 8400lbs rv is half ton towable. 8000lbs is on the upper range of most equipped 1500 trucks.
RV sales people for the most part.........Have no Idea of truck towing capacities and allways miss led unknowning customers creating a hazzard to everyone on the road
i have a fifth-wheel that i tow with my ranger, and it tows it just fine
Chris Smith you will definitely get pulled over. You are illegal.
can you be more specific, which law makes it illegal???, i havent been able to find any laws that say the ranger cant tow a 5th wheel, and im within my tow,haul,combined,axle and tire weights
I towed a 8500lbs 5th wheel with an old S10. I had to make my own rail brackets for the hitch install, and for some reason GM neglected to prewire that truck for a brake controller...
thomabb your way over loaded. That toy truck does not have even have stopping power. The brakes are too small and your way over your pin weight. In other words you need a BIGGER TRUCK. It will save your life. The dealership wants no responsibility for that.
I was joking. I did briefly consider it though. For about 36 seconds. Then I bought a 3/4 ton.
Not a half ton towable trailer the pin weight exceeds the cargo capacity of the truck
I have a Cougar 277RLSWE. I towed it with a diesel 3/4 ton truck and now have a one ton. You can probably tow this with a 1/2 ton, just hope you don’t need to stop in a hurry. Nice trailer, get a REAL truck.
Its not about towing weight its about PAYLOAD.
Rockwood Ultra Light 2440BS has a Hitch weight of 1080. Our F-150 has a payload of 1600lb.
Deduct weight of Full Fuel tank, Me and my wife's weight Fifth wheel hitch and rails, Dog, Cooler (small for drinks and snacks) and we were left with 1210lbs of Payload.
Legal=yes
Comfortable to drive down Rt 70 to Moab=?
Weigh your trucks at a certified (CAT) scale and you will be surprised what you can haul.
We weigh our rig at a CAT scale and carry the yellow certified time stamped document before each trip and if were comfortable and legal we go.
God forbid anything happens out on the road you'll at least have a document that you did everything by the manufactures spec and in fact you were responsible enough and took precautions.
Flying Drummer This!
Videos like this depress me as they remind me of how poor I am.
Lol!! Sorry to hear that my friend
Nope going with a ul travel trailer gutting it and giving it a floor plan of a host cascade 10.5 and still tow it with a medium SUV
How much towing ? terrain ,road conditions etc.. with water and all your goodies this will easily overwork most 1/2 tons.
I'm going to be generous and add 500 lbs of cargo to this 8600 lb fifth wheel to bring it up to 9100 lbs. That means your carrying 1365 lbs of pin wieght. That's not half ton towable so I believe your misinformed.
If you weigh a half ton truck and subtract that curb weight from the gvwr on that truck you will be lucky to have 1300 lbs left over. Add a full tank of fuel, fifth wheel hitch and two passengers to that mix and your over weight. 7000 lb maximum fifth wheel would be half ton territory not 8600 lbs dry.
Shackles If you want real capabilities go ask the dealer it made/sold by. They will give it to straight. Sales personnel will lie to you to make a sale. I believe a veh. GVWR is total weight of truck and load/trailer weght. I could b wrong.
GVWR-The vehicle's chassis, body, engine, engine fluids, fuel, accessories, driver, passengers and cargo but excluding that of any trailers.
GCWR-, is the maximum allowable combined mass of a road vehicle, the passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle, plus the mass of the trailer and cargo in the trailer.
It's states on every truck produced and every truck is different depending on options.
What is the length of the 5th wheel?
32' 10"
You should have a 3/4 ton to pull this one. Remember that the dealers are going to try to sell you something. Most dealers don't care about your safety just worried about the dollar they can make. Not all dealers are that way but you will find them out there and they are difficult to spot because they sound so believable. Just beware... Know your numbers and have some to spare so that you can drive home after thanksgiving dinner.
Great feedback! I will say this...we purchased our TT from Nicki @ Walnut Ridge during the Boat, Sport, and Travel show last year. She questioned us several times about our truck and it's capabilities. At the time we had a Sierra 1500 with the tow package. We could pull 9,800 and our camper came in at 7,800. Her advise was that yes, it could pull it, but it was on the higher side. We have since upgraded to a Ford F-350 SD, not because of towing, but because of space. We had zero issues with towing the camper with the Sierra. We even went on vacation last year 1400 miles round trip. That being said, it is an even better towing experience with the 350! I could not agree with you more that you MUST know your specific vehicles capabilities! I have even witnessed car dealers not being honest about a vehicles tow capabilities. As you already know, not every truck is the same. There are so many individual factors at play. I found the simplest method to be: take the VIN, contact the manufacturer directly, and get it striaght from the horses mouth. I highly recommend anyone buying a RV to arm themselves with this information before they ever step foot on a dealers lot. Not everyone has the luxury of having a Walnut Ridge just down the road. :-) Thank you again for the comment, and coming to my channel! One last thing. I just gave your channel a sub! Happy Camping!
Internet says it weighs: 8730 lbs.
But can your half ton tow it on i80 through the mountains you might make it up without melting your engine down but your brake fade would be instant on the other side..... look out below
Tell ya what... if you have a half ton P/U tow a small trailer............. move up to a SD 3/4 ton with a diesel.... no mountain to high or steep will slow you down.. EASY.
No way I would pull that with a 1/2 ton truck !
How much is this unit?
Walnut Ridge has it listed at 44k www.walnutridgerv.com/floorplan/cougar-344mks/
maybe 1/2 ton tow-able but i doubt its 1/2 ton stoppable
good point
I always hear that from dolts that have no clue on how integrated trailer brakes work. My f150 tows fine at 8500 lbs
hope that makes you feel all good inside, so all trailers have breaks, no.
@@bman1165 all trailers, no. 99.9%of new trailers that weigh as much or more than the truck, yes. And pulling a trailer heavier than your truck is an accident looking for a place to happen.
I would like to see a half ton truck pull this thing with any capacity left over for safety. I am sure only a small hand full half ton trucks Like the Nissan Titan with the diesel could handle it. I have a new 5.3 Silverado with the tow package and factory brake controller that is not rated to tow this much loaded trailer weight. This thing has a GVWR of 10,410 pounds and a dry pin weight of 1,670 pounds that will only go up when loaded. My truck is rated to pull it dry and with no extra weight of any kind other than a dog as company.
Great comment Lyndel. It's great to hear that you know exactly what your truck can and cannot do. Too often it seems people don't know those important details. As you will see from our other videos I stress "know your vehicle." We had a Sierra 1500 at one time and with our tow package we were at 9800 max.
People often over look the pin weight on fifth wheel RV's that can put you over your truck GVWR even before you hit your max tow capacity. I have seen very very few fifth wheels that could be classified as truly half ton towable with good safety margins.
Lyndel Carpenter agree 100%! Thank you for watching, and for your comments. I love great feedback and I appreciate the views.
The new f150 can tow 12000 pounds, and with the high end tow package your payload is 3200 pounds. Called a half ton, but not really a half ton anymore.
Yes you may be correct but they market these things like any half ton will pull them and it just isn't so.
Up until the 2018 models ford did not have this high of a tow rating on the f150. Chevy also has a tow rating of over 12000 for the 1500 silverado with the heavy duty tow package but does not have a payload rating high enough to handle this rig loaded with anything left for gear and passengers. this RV has an almost 1700 pound pin weight dry. That is without propane or batteries or the weight of your hitch in the bed. People don't think about all these little details. Start adding all the stuff for camping and all of a sudden you are over loaded. Sure people pull them every day but they are not legal and if anything was to happen it would be their ass. I could throw some bags on my truck and pull it. I have the same motor that the other silverados have with the heavy duty tow package. My rear end is not rated for that weight though.
18,000 miles coast to coast Flagstaff 32' fifth wheel. Loaded up and 1/2 tank of fresh water comes in at 9400 lbs.. 2008 Tundra with Rancho Shocks and air bags. Not a minutes trouble with truck. It pulls grade very well and braking with controller is solid. Like others below said I would not pull a fifth wheel with the other half tons because of the pin weights and braking. Sure they can pull it, but going down a 8% grade in the Rockies with a F-150 and 5 ton behind you is not something I'd recommend. Tundra is listed as 3/4 ton on my title. It's a heavy half ton
Your payload capacity is around 1,400lbs and GCWR is 16,000lbs. You are over both.
8600 lbs is not 1\2 ton towable. Maybe on flat terrain. Cheers
I have an older Ram 1500. Towing cap. is 8000 lbs. I looked for a unit in the 4000 lb range. 25 ft. for two us is plenty and there is capacity for extras like food and water. She's over selling.
Depends on your configuration, I have a maxed-out HEMI with 8-speed & 3.92 gear ratio with 4-wheel air bag auto-level. I tow 8500 around all the time with it, no issues, over mountains, down steep grades, etc. Would I do that with a 10 year old half-ton? No way. Nor do I drive trucks with 100,000 miles on them.
My ram and the same year tundra are rated over 10,000 lbs. The new ram 1500 is 12,000 lbs. With a 2500 lb payload. This is certainly 1/2 ton towable. Maybe not your 3.55 lariat but you know- tow package and a 4.10 with LSD is what you buy if you actually intend to tow anything anyways. I tow live loads (water) near 10,000 lbs and pass cars on the on ramp- sitting at almost 130k miles and 0 repairs or issues thus far in the 2014 ram 1500.
Hey what your occupation?
Is this a four season trailer?
I believe it has the polar package, so you could camp sooner and go longer. I am going to check about it being a true four season trailer
Please check, thank you.
Leo - According to Keystone’s website. Polar package includes: Forced Air Heated and Enclosed Underbelly, Astrofoil Insulated Slide Floors, and Enclosed Dump Valves. So i would say it is a four season. Are you local to Indiana?
Rear kitchen is a horrible idea. Everything bounces when pulling and ends up in the floor. The cabinets will open due to it continents bouncing. The refrigerator won't open but everything will be displaced. Never had a problem with mid kitchens and can even leave some things on counters.
That's interesting Rose. We do not have a fifth wheel, but we have a Puma TT and it's a rear kitchen model. I don't think we noticed much bouncing or displacement issues. Do you think it's something specific to fifth-wheels? I would think that wouldn't be the case as everyone says fifth wheels ride even better. I'd love to hear more feedback. Thank you very much for watching and taking the time to comment.
Let's keep it simple for me. The owner's manual for a Chevy 2013 4 door 2wd , rear end, etc.. configured is max 9600 pounds with 1710 pounds in the bed for a Fifth Wheel. I read this and contacted a Chevy specialist through OnStar and verified this even though he was in India or Pakistan I guess. Is it safe to say that I could tow 8900 pounds dry with 1500 in the bed for 100 or 200 mile trips a few times a year and not a lot of towing in the mountains as long as the max weight is not exceeded?
If I beef up the rear end suspension could I tow this 5th Wheel not going over the 9600 and 1710 rating. One video said the engine is not the weak link but suspension is ??
If you got the payload capacity of 1,710lbs. from the pillar sticker that is total weight of all cargo and passengers not just weight you can put in the bed, idiot. Read the sticker
Are you calling me an Idiot?
Maybe you're just ignorant and you are misinformed. Stupid (Simple) can be cured LOL He's telling you to read your payload sticker. The owners manual is not where you get your trucks payload ratings. Oh by the way 2013 1500 CC 3.42 gear 5.3L GCWR is 15,000lbs for 5th wheel assets.cobaltnitra.com/teams/repository/export/v/1/e35/9de3044c910058bb900146efa6b30/e359de3044c910058bb900146efa6b30.pdf
fifthwheelst.com/rvtc_calculator.html
The question was not how much the truck can tow I know that. It was how much weight with the truck could be safely towed. I would not tow 9200 pounds but 8600 I would think would be safe and put air bags for the suspension. I do not want to push the limit.
Now as for your derogatory comments and your picture with your rifle.... I shoot a Glock 34 and 19 both G4's with Zev and Vogle triggers. I have shot competitively in IDPA and have had training sessions with the world champion Bob Vogle. In 1.4 seconds I can draw from the holster and place 2 shots to the head or center of mass at 25 yards. Google Bob Vogle on TH-cam. So that is plenty quick and accurate shooting from one end of your double wide to the other.
That's enough this is a family site. No room for profanity
Lol 😂
Not just cause I’m a trucker but logic would tell me get a 2500 or f 250 at a minimum so that with a vehicle like this you can be rest assured that we have a little more than you need to handle everything But if you wanna get balls deep f 450 would take care of this with no effort
TO A GREAT ADVENTURE: WHERE are you located?
Indiana
Where did you find a wife who waits for permission to speak? :D
Lol! You don't! I know it sounded bad, but she is just incredible camera shy and was worried if she spoke she would ruin the video. 😂
Believe me she does what she wants.
Don’t tow this with a half-ton!
tantrum006 no kiddin! and long distances preferably a one ton dually. The cross winds really toss stuff around.
I would tow it with air bags no problem
Don't be scared. My half ton pulls my power washer rig that weighs more than this every day, no issues after 130k miles. It's not as scary as so many in this forum think it is. You will want a helper spring or air bags though.
@@Frindleeguy You pull a fifth wheel power washer with more than 1,600 lb. pin weight? Its the bed payload weight that you are exceeding not the tow rating. Exceed your payload weight (with or without helper springs or air bags) and have an accident, your insurance will be void and you can be held liable.
@@theriddler6227 Hah! I guess that's something you should worry about then. Don't tint your windows either. Don't lift it. Wear your seatbelt. Don't have a break right out. Or a headlight. Don't go below 4/32 tread. The magic insurance fairies might drop you!
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A triple slide that's half ton towable.....no thanks. To make that happen the only areas to save weight in is the structural areas. The lifespan of that thing has got to be on the low side.
And only the smoothest of roads!
I would never pull a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton truck.
You could of said you have a reg cab Tacoma and they would of been like let me show you this triple slide 5th wheel. 1/2 ton towable my ass even if if could it would max out any half ton on the market if not max then overweight. Let DOT be the judge when you get pulled over just remember it’s 1 dollar per pound you are over weight.
This 5th wheel is pretty great with the exception of the poofy 80's valance over the bedroom window. Ewwww.
Tami C 😂😂
So my F-150 can handle this rig, 2007 4x4
8600 lbs is too heavy for me. It is a nice trailer though.
Def. not right for everyone...but you are right, it's nice. We liked the layout. It reminded us of our Puma
And that's before you load all your stuff in, easily another 1000 or 1200 pounds.
That's fine though, the weight is over the axle and that really makes it able to handle more weight because of the distribution of weight. You would need load range E tires to be safe. Also you can add a leaf to both sides which would allow for more weight slightly.
systemisdisturbed You can add whatever you want to the rear suspension of your truck; it won’t do jack squat for your truck’s legal capacity ratings.
Why no #2 Allowed, that is what a commode is for, the Black water Tank doesn't Care what's In It, Lighten Up Sir.....
Ha!! This comment made me laugh. I don't know really...I guess just personal preference. Believe me, if it "hits" and the bathroom isn't close...it will be used. :-)
Threat gallery/kitchen isn't a good idea. That part of the coach does alot of bouncing.
Do your research and it's not just towing capacity it's what your truck can handle in the bed (pin weight).
I got a gmc Sierra 1500 6.2 lieter that can easily pull this
1/2 ton wouldnt get that titanic outta the parking lot.
The guy doesn't poop in his pooper . What the hell. So his family has to walk at night in the rain or whatever. My wife would kill me for that. Also. Anyone that will tell you its fine to tow that with a half ton is lying or doesn't no what there talking about.
mark mathews ha!! It's not my rule, my wife doesn't want to poop in it either. Haha! It only sucked once walking in the rain to go number 2.
Sorry..I just had to say that..LOL
mark mathews hahaha!! Don't worry, we get it that a lot! Another couple we travel with is the same way. Happy camping!
maybe half ton towable for the weekend warrior going less that 20 miles!!!!! hauling 8500# will destroy a half ton across country
I bought a 2018 cougar 25 RES last summer. WHAT A POS. And after the warranty is over, still have new problems coming up. Part of it is Lippert components are junk, part of it is Keystones quality control is non-existant and part of it is the assembly people ( NOT craftsman or skilled ) apparently have no assembly experience.
After dropping $40k I expected something built with much better quality. If anyone had paid $40,000 for a car and had the number of past and ongoing problems, there would be a lawsuit.
I have seriously thought about selling it, taking the loss, and buy something else NOT made by Keystone.
I have a 2019 f250 platinum. I regret not getting the 350 but I love my truck. I talked with Northside Ford in San Antonio and with less than 700 miles the wanted to rip me for an additional 20,000. After telling them how they could they could perform self intercourse with themselves, I will never go back. Now I want a 250 fifth wheel or get a sailboat. These dealers prey on elderly disabled veterans.
That's horrible! My experience is this: some dealers DON'T care what you buy and what you can tow, others truly do. It's like with everything else...you have to be a suspicious consumer and ask a lot of questions. It's unfortunate.
3/4 ton would be better
And bears shit in the woods.
All these half ton towable 5th wheels are better suited for a 3/4:ton truck, the advertisers pin weight is dry, loaded you are definitely at 2k or better, you can’t even put a driver in the seat of a 1/2 ton and be legal, I wish DOT would shut these people down with false advertising, it’s a safety issue
Just because a manufacturer takes some paint and writes "Half Ton" on the trailer, that doesn't make it reality.
Here are the specs on this 29RKS from the Cougar website: Dry weight- 8,801 lbs.; Carrying Capacity- 1,599 lbs. GVWR - 10,400 lbs. Hitch weight- 1,605 lbs.
I have a 2019 GMC Sierra. It is very typical of most short-box half-ton crew cab trucks. It has a payload of 1,700 pounds and a towing capacity of 12,100 pounds and a Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating of 15,000. After I put fuel, passengers, a couple of dogs, a super-slider hitch (which I have to have due to the short box), and some miscellaneous camping equipment in the truck, this Cougar will exceed my payload capacity and my GVWR by over 800 pounds, and my GCVWR by 1,700 pounds.
If they advertise "half-ton towable", dealers have an obligation to tell their customers exactly what half-ton truck can safely tow this rig. In my opinion, unless the dealer and the customer understand and correctly calculate the payload and other ratings of the combined truck and 5th wheel trailer, there is a good risk that these limits will be exceeded. I have looked at this issue extensively, as I had to obtain a return of my deposit on a smaller Cougar 5th wheel after being misinformed by a salesman. I went through the numbers before closing on the deal, but the salesman continued to insist that "It would pull just fine because he knew someone with a truck like mine who just bought the same trailer". Yes, the truck could "pull" the trailer as it is within the "towing capacity" of the truck. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not the combined rig is within ALL limtiations that the particular truck was manufactured to handle. Based on my research, there is a risk that the truck's warranty could be affected, the truck's insurance could be affected in case of an accident, and if a state patrol happens to inspect the rig, there could be additional trouble. I decided that it was not worth the risk.
This is kind of like gas mileage...you can only kid yourself. Know your numbers. I wouldn't tow this with a half ton.
As far as half-ton towable...no, no it's not!
New half tons are all rated for over 10k people...calm down
True. Some are good for towing, but the 5th wheel sits in the bed too, so cargo wt plays into the calc. Frankly, knowing what’s a safe pickup choice is a mess. It seems to end up being a dually.
You people are absolutely insane towing a 5th wheel with a half ton. Your an accident waiting to happen. If you get into an accident your insurance is gonna say “good luck with that”.
I get so annoyed when the rep showing is always saying what they like. Because they aren’t buying it . If they say our. Ustomers say they like this...
Yeah, never mind.
wt30001 I can certainly understand that! Trailer buying is very personal, especially after you've owned one. You learn what you love, and hate.
absolutely not half ton towable
This guys strikes me as a wise guy tone it down and let the ladies speak okay mr cocky dude
Maynard Holmes 😂😂😂 read the comments below. It was my wife videoing. She was giving me the look of "I can't talk or I'll mess up the video." If you are married you'll know who the real boss is LOL
A Great Adventure no worries I’ve been married since 1989 I know what you mean 😂😂😂👍
Maynard Holmes 😂😂😂 I caught so much crap from people for it...till I explain it. Have a good night and be safe!