I have met a number of Serbs and Croats who didn't like that someone called them Russians, or people who talked to them in Russian and expected them to understand. Ukrainians don't want to be called Russians either.
Territory of ex Yugoslavia has Slavic language but genetic is only 60% Slavic people. Perhaps even less. Here are descendants of Celts and Iliriyan tribes, descendants of people from Roman Empire, ... German groups, Italian groups, descants of people that came from Iran.
That would be seen only in official (polotician) meetings. The common folk all laughed when the Bulgarian and Macedonian presidents met, and used translators :D
As an American with no connections to the region, let me just say that I love the Balkans! Before traveling there I had heard all the stereotypes about the war, the racism, ethnic cleansing, etc. Instead I found friendly welcoming people, amazingly well preserved cities, fascinating history, and some of the most beautiful landscapes in all of Europe. God bless the people here, and may their future always be bright.
Actually, you're already home friend. The United States is the best country in the world and is a world superpower despite its young existence. It took the Europeans forever to get where we are.
MagnaYu "And all they have something that you, yankees don't have, a Universal Free Healthcare and almost Free University Education, which makes them more civilized than your country and definitely more attractive." - More attractive? Yes, I can just see those millions of immigrants flooding to get into your socialist paradise. You are delusional, and I strongly suspect a lot of the Balkan people would disagree with you on the blessings of socialism. You are likely either a child of the former "номенклату́ра", or you are a weakling that would never survive on your own without daddy government looking out for you.
Zimbabwean here. My great grandfather was a Croatian from the island of Korčula. It is fascinating to know we have a bit of Slavic blood in us. Lots of Love and Light to all the Balkan nations and the Slavic peoples.
what what? you are from zimbawe or from croatia with zimbawean blood like i dont understand why would your grandfather travel so much to get away from the balkans.he should prob have an interesting story
thats why albanian sounds so slavic? cause they are slavs obviously. the albanians built the albanian state? who would build a state for people who they dont belong to except for England and it was a though job seeing that every neighbour wants a piece of you
Not saying they are, just asking the question. Well, then slavs needed to let Albanians build it, right? Like Tito in Yugoslavia period? He was the "Albanian godfather". Albanian language is another topic entirely. It doesent belong to any euro language branch. So, when did Albanians come to the Balkans? why? and who let them stay?
malter beton there are theories by universities that its an ancient one some lingustits are working on it in the university of austria you can check it and there are many offical theories no pseudo theories you can read in the internet if you cant find any i send you some links
Balkans is the world most craziest territory, but i'm happy for being a typical Balkanic dude. Westerners can only dream about such a great history, fanatism, spirit, fun and madness. :D
StopFear We’re all white European caucasoids. Our shared evolutionary history is much more real than any subgroup divisions. This whole “we’re totally not westerners guys, look how different we are” meme that Slavs pull is LARPy nonsense that quite blatantly signals a need to feel special and non-European. No group outside of Europe gives a shit about these supposed distinctions.
Living abroad for almost 2 years now, many kilometers/miles away from Balkans, I noticed that we actually like each other outside in diaspora, and very often form friendships of mixed balkan nations like Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Bulgarians etc. The mentality of the people there is very similar, almost the same in the eyes of an, for example, American or Latin person.
@Armin I also added "etc", so there WE are. I'm saying WE because I am a Bosnian myself, and in the end I do not care, as nationality is in my honest opinion pure bullshit.
@Armin People will notice your honest absence of any nationalism, and ultimately they won't care where you come from either ;) at least it's my case. all the best!
I am Bosnian, and I can assure you that what is mostly needed is economic development and RIGHTS. We are YUGOS most of all. We have too much in common. Propaganda and corruption has torn us apart. And there is barely any difference between the three dialects of ikavski, ijekavski and ekavski. Danish, Swedish, and Norwegiam differ way more than Serbo-Croatian/Bosnian, and the main difference is found between local dialects fx on the countryside and the "proper" languages spoken in the cities etc.. we dont need more help from the West. We need competent leaders and an end to our tribalism.
Believe me, even some Croats and Bosniaks will pretend the same, even though we are allies. BUT only a small percentage of people do this. Most of the people never even thought about pretending. But there are always some idiots that do pretend.
Bulgaria does love Romania. Both nations are very good mates and the best neighbours from the very beginning when only Bulgaria has existed in 681. That's why Romanians use lots of Bulgarian words in their language and became the only Orthodox Christians from all the Latin nations! They have been ruled very civilized by Bulgarians without any violence, so for that reason Romanians do respect the Bulgarians a lot and gave them a big support against the Ottomans in tough moments in their Great History! Only once Romania has a knife in the back of Bulgaria, but sometimes the best friends make mistakes too. Now everything is forgotten for good! Long live Bulgaria and Romania... FOREVER ORTHODOX BROTHERS! 🇧🇬💓🇷🇴
Indeed, Bulgaria had a great contribution to state and especially religious life at the north of the Danube. I don't think this is very much emphasized in our history classes. The Christian ideas came initially from Rome and the proof is that the main words we use are in Latin, but a bit later the Bulgarians offered a clear Orthodox structure to the religious life. Quite funny, even today when we receive alms at church, we have to say "Bogdaproste", though no Romanian knows what it means! :))) Also, until the middle of the 19th century, we used Cyrillic alphabet for writing our Latin words, imagine that! :) Finally, how can we avoid mentioning the Thracian-Dacian connection. After all, Thracia was located where is now Bulgaria and Dacians, our ancestors, were part of the Thracian family. And I also have to add the Second Bulgarian Empire, where the kings in Veliko Tarnovo ruled over both Bulgarians and Vlachs, as Romanians are called in the Middle Ages. Many connections between our countries. Ah yes, I almost forgot about the eternal fight against the Ottomans...:)
@OreX You alright there? Bulgaria allied woth serbia and greece throughout the first balkan war as they thought they will need their help. However, we still managed to fight all our battles alone and with little to no support from you. You even made it worse because you took over Bulgarian ethnic territories in the west and committed many atrocities. Those lands were taken from us after we got independence, and were still ethnically Bulgarian.We attack you for that reason, starting the second Balkan war.It was a 3:1 against Bulgaria yet we were still winning, pushing the Ottomans back as well as the serbs and greeks. However, Austria forced Romania to enter the war, and all they had to do was just march to our Capital. All our troops were on the south and west and there was no one to stop them. There are records of a sofian regiment **running** all the way from the front line to sofia to try and stop the romanian force. They ran a few 100 kilometers over a day or two and then ran straight into battle. Being outnumbered more than 10 to 1 however they were defeated.This is just one of the insane acts of bravery commited by our soldiers.The war ended, with serbia, greece and turkey taking even more of our territory. We were outraged so we joined the Germans in WW1. Bulgaria still has the record, for raising the highest army within the shortest amount of time compared to its population. 50% of men enlisted into the army. We faught well against Romania, Serbia, and Greece, pushing them back, yet stopping at the lands that were Bulgarian, not taking any ethnic Serbs Greeks or Romanians. Pur Cavalry destroyed the Russian one at Dobruja and pushed them back hundreds of kilometers. Even tho we faughtt greatly with spirit, Germany lost the war, meaning that we did too. All the success was now restored and you all took EVEN MORE of Bulgarias lands. The whole of Dobruja as mentioned in the video as well.Keep in mind, it was a 3-1 against us. Romania didn't fight on two fronts, Greece didn't either. If we weren't a strong people, we would have lost way earlier. However because we are, and are great warriors, the big nations keep giving away our land. Because they are afraid.
A young Croatian man tells his parents he's fallen in love. They say that's great. What's her name? He answers , his name Vuk. They start crying and tearing their hair. He says, c'mon! It's not that bad! I'm just gay. His Dad sobs, we don't care if you're gay, but why did you have to fall in love with a Serb!?
The East Slavs don't appear to be getting along splendidly at the moment either... What, with the pending Church schism and... well... Krym.... Which is sad because some of the most soulful people you can meet are East Slavs...
Guys let's just sit back, relax and take a look at how rich our history is. Yes, we fought wars against others to defend our countries, hell we even fought with each other but let's not forget the good sides too. We have ancient history, ancient places, monasteries, language, unique culture, unique way of thinking. Instead of remembering the the dark past, let's turn to the bright future. May all the Serbian, Croatian, Bulgarian soldiers and civilians rest in peace and may those horrors of war never happen again. Let's build the world together and show the world we are not some banana states which are always mistaken for Russia. United we stand, divided we fall. Greetings to all of you from a fellow Serb . Btw, if someone comes to Belgrade hit me up so we can go on a beer 🍻🍻🍻We got lots of beer😜
That's really optimistic but it's going to take a long while for people to forgive let alone forget a war that happened only thirty years ago. Sadly despite us all getting our independence we aren't any better off.
no sympathy for Bosniaks? Albanians in kosovo? Listen im not even from the balknas but i must say that the serbs are maybe the worst people in europe. Things that you've done to civilians wont ever be forgotten or forgiven.
@@123haxman You see, that's the probem. Every side considers themselves as "saints". Are you really saints? Do you really want to make me believe that in the war where everyone was killing everybody, out of 4 (or more) factions only 1 was the evil and the rest were innocent? No. I mentioned the relation between two factions, Serbs and Croats, because they are the most nutorious for their hate towards each other. Blood was shed from all sides, but to mark Serbs as the reason of all evil, is wrong. Have I done any harm to you? No. Have you done any harm to me? No. So why would you consider me the evil one? My point is that this circle of evil needs to stop. Nobody gains anything from the hatred that's coming from the people, despair and saddnes is all it brings. If we, as nations, who have almost the same cultures, have lived beside one another for 1000s of years, can't live in peace and build the future for our children together, if all we know is war and who was killed by whom, then we as nations do not deserve to exist at all. If that's the case, I hope these nations disappear and save future generations from war. This goes to all Balkan nations.
@@filipperic2491 hajmo se mi koji ne želimo rat nastanit na nekom ostrvu i sačekat da se ovi nacionalisti međusobno poubijaju, pa da mi normalan narod nastavimo živjeti u miru.Ja nemam drugoga rješenja.
Милан Јовановић you guys builded also the infamous zastava but you can’t say they all belong to you. Just for the record all the buildings that you try to claim are built by Yugoslavia not Serbia . The only thing Serbia did was to destroy in 5-6 years the work and Alaienc build by Tito in 50 years.
I am Croatian comming from the really liberal place and I do have handful of friends that are actually from Serbia and few do live here and they do never get strange looks or that they are looked at as outcasts. It is not nearly as hostile as presented in this video. There are some parts of ex-yu that are sadly less tolerant but most of people(especially young people/millenials) are quite chill with everything.
except when you get to the topic called "history". as a Czech/Slovak, this is an interesting topic to discuss. i have had nice discussions with Bulgarians on Slavic history (mostly the origin), with Russians, with Ukrainians, Slovenians, Poles, etc. but whenever a Balkanian entered... we always started discussing bread and how bread can be eaten with milk. cause having a Serbs or Croats idea of Slavic history.......... hell no. i'd rather fuck a squirrel in the ear and get raped by an owl in my nose.
@Da Dude - give them some time, mate. I'm Polish myself. I know that when Poles speak about history with Germans, Russians or Ukrainians, it may be difficult. Even though so much time has passed since the second world war, not to mention other stuff from the 17th century for example. I can imagine it must have been much worse around fifty years ago let's say, when the wounds were fresh. In 40s the word "German" was written with a lower case letter often. In the first edition of the memories of Szpilman, Polish-Jewish pianist who survived the war, the Wehrmacht officer who saved him was named "a good Austrian" - because it was unthinkable to call a German "good". Now it seems shocking. And that's pretty much where they are, they've just had a war, a cruel one. My wife is Croatian. Her uncle married a lady from Serbia back in Yugoslavia. One of her friends (married with an American guy, by the way) is half Serbian. Another friend married a Serb three years ago, they have a little daughter now. I've never noticed any hostile reactions when this guy was around and spoke Serbian. Of course, there are freaks like Seselj in Serbia or some weirdos in Croatia, possibly many of them. When there are some anniversaries (Oluja, Vukovar) or some sport events (basketball or handball games, for instance) you can see that the Serbs aren't the most beloved people in Croatia. Yet, people get along somehow. I heard Croats speaking openly and objectively about dark sides of their history, even relatively close history. I heard some (like my wife) even speaking with compassion about the Serbs, about Kosovo and NATO bombing in 1999. Do you know Luka Modrić perhaps? His father fought the Serbs, his grandfather was executed by them as a civilian. Novak Djoković? He remembers NATO bombings very well. And when they met in America a few months ago, they took such picture: web.facebook.com/djokovic.official/posts/1808762852509891 All they need is some time.
Riiiiight CT what about the 60.000 Serbs/Gypsies Croats slain together with the Germans in 2nd WW What about the 50.000 Serbians your government kicked over the border. Man the Croatian History is so filthy and dirty tfoe
@CT Movies, dont regret, you are right, but stupid people are everywhere not only on Balkan, and they are noisy. War was not started by Yugoslavs but by press and politicians (financed by subversive influence from foreign secret services) which just manipulated stupid people. And they still doing that, just watch TV on Serbia and Croatia and you will see the pattern. (DIVIDE ET IMPERA). Stupid people can't see that DIVIDE ET IMPERA pattern, they just hate someone against which are incited by TV.
The native anatolians where assimilated by invading greeks after alexander the greats conquests. when turks arrived in anatolia, native anatolian didint exist anymore, they were assimilated by greeks.
No, you are lying what you are doing is biased greek propaganda. You hate turks for assimilating other people but so did the greeks. Infact greeks did it even worse, turks didint make people lose their langauge or ethnicity but after greek colonization all of the native anatolian people and langauge disappeared, Did greek, armenian, kurd, arab disappear under ottoman mongol turk rule? No. turks were more tolerant towards their neighbours than the greeks. history of people is always killing, migration, assimilation. Its how the world is. You may hate turks for it but then you also need to hate greeks, european, english, french, spanish, romans, japanese, chinese. they all did the same.
9:01 - So this explains why, as a romanian, I feel proud when I see or hear pieces of slavic culture made by our brothers and sisters from inside and across our borders. Even if we speak different languages, we share the same blood :)
It's so strange and interesting how we manage to upload so often about pretty similar content in the same time. I made a video about the collapse of Yugoslavia, and you made about the Balkan Slavs. Nice job btw ! :)
@@user-jd5gh3kg5t some yes, but not all. Too much meddling into others business... Some countries robbed the world because they ain't got shit in their own territory...
We Balkan Slavs are 20 million souls blinded by hatred thats rooted in ethno-religious division because of a 1000 years of war. A lot of people are tired of it, thats why during these past couple of years, people are migrating by the thousands to Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Norway and so on. Sad but true. It wasnt always like that.
It is, I just wish we could live in peace. Respect and be curious about each other's culture. But no, nationalist assholes and right wing extremists with race ideology and ignorant pride will never learn how to live in Peace! I hope someday, Albania, Greece and the ex-Yugoslav states finally achieve peace and mutual respect. Send the ignorant to school and accept that no matter when we arrived in this region, no matter what language we speak, we are all human beings, and we should act accordingly.
Serbia: _I don`t understand croatian language!_ Croatia: _Yeah, they are quite different_ Bulgaria: _MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS BULGARIAN!_ Macedonia: _NO, BULGARIAN LANGUAGE IS MACEDONIAN!_
Bulgaria on 3 oceans!? Hahahah I like that And yes, of course! Alexander the Great went to Brazil, we all know that... unfortunately he has nothing to do with the "Macedonians" of today xD
You forget the mention that the Bulgars cooperated with the slavs. They made an alliance ever since the Bulgars crosses the Danube that technically last till today since it was never broken.Given all the facts their assimilation into slavic culture wasn’t forced (like some Turks are saying) but actively encouraged by the rulers until the eventual unification of the groups during the 9th to form the modern Bulgarians nation.
Zlatan I was talking about the slavs that lived in Moesia, Kosovo and Vardar Macedonia who joined Bulgaria. There was of course the problem with the Serbs who preferred to be almost a puppet state of the Byzantines and attacked us whenever they were ,,suggested’’ to do so by their masters.
Yep. Also, do you think it's not true that in our genetic makeup the traces of the Bulgars are very little, as he said almost non-existent? Cause I think we look pretty different from your stereotipycal Slav and we look a lot like the Chuvash people. We're just very mixed and I think this is still visible today.
essennagerry Gnetic studies place Bulgarian DNA something like this : 20%~Slav 20%~Bulgar 40%~Thracian the rest ia a big mix of groups in the single percentage.
I am from Bulgaria, and we have a dream, all Bolcan nations to be free, friendly and helpful for each other within the European family. We want peace and finally those fights around our neighbours to size, because life is short and we have to make the most of it, not die for empty causes an old drama. I would say that this is the mindset of the majority of the Bulgarians! We love you brothers, even we are not quite Slavic, we are still brothers!
croatian migrants in Chile are completely accepted and have been integrated into the main culture without any trouble (during the world cup everyone I know was cheering for Croatia) There were 2 main regions that had the strongest croatian presence, one in the north of the country around the cities of antofagasta and iquique, and another one in southern patagonia, in both regions their presence is still felt, especially in patagonia, but nowadays many live in other parts of the country also. From the other former yugoslav republics there are extremely few people, (except from slovenians which entered the country as austrian citizens after WW1) in my school there were many east-european jews, germans, swiss, croatians and slovenians and today many chilean families have a little bit of everything, from palestinian to irish, from french to sirian, from italian to basque, etc. although of course the majority of the population, like everywhere in latinamerica, descends from the mixture of the 3 main elements: amerindian, iberian, and african.
in Peru there was immigration of Croats too there are footballers, tv personajes and politics of Croatian heritage one of them Sofia mulanovich the great champion surfer Sofia was inducted into Surfing Hall of Fame in 2007 in USA due to her achievement in 2004 and 2005. In 2004, she became the first South American and Latin American (man or woman) to ever win the world title. Sofia’s list of credits to date is impressive, having won the Vans Triple Crown of Surfing, U.S. Open of Surfing and the Surfer
Well, the Balkan Slavs have been in the area for so long that a DNA test can barely point to our eastern acestors, we have become our own ethnic group with our own form of Slavic language. Our divisions on the other hand, both religious and cultural is what is holding us back unfortunately.
Dino P last time I checked local DNA tends to be part Slavic and part native paleolithic. Our culture is predominantly Slavic but we are really not really that Slavic. And closer you get to Herzegovina more likely that appears to be the case.
And as for kosovo.....we will not talk about kosovo 😂😂😂😂😂 Thank god u didnt talk about kosovo if you did we would have 3rd balkan war in the comments 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It should be noted that, according to Norman Davies, the Bulgarians and Serbs (as well as the Danes and Portuguese) are among the few nations in Europe which began developing national identities during the Middle Ages (identities, not nation-states, of course). In the cases of Bulgaria and Serbia - largely thanks to our independent national churches, with the vernacular language serving also as the liturgical (and administrative) one. Of course, it's much more complicated than that, as there were quite a bit of other factors at play as well, but that only comes to show that the "Balkanization" phenomenon is deeper than it seems at first glance.
I think the greatest factor was the fact that Greeks tried to hellenise you. Through the orthodox church and their dominant position in the Byzantine empire. Greek cultural imperialism...
The rivalry with the medieval Greeks was, indeed (IMHO), one of the main factors. In order to develop an identity of your own, you have to distinguish between Us and Them. A long-term rivalry helps a lot with that and we have such a case at least with Bulgaria and Byzantium. But that alone is usually not good enough - England and France also had a relatively long-standing rivalry, but their national identities started developing later on. So it was a complicated mix of factors coming into play, which is, of course, not surprising for history.
Balkanization is quite a deep phenomenon, it is a political strategy designed to continuously fracture and control and has been applied to the area from many sides for centuries. These agents of balkanization have their permanent operations installed in each country. The inhabitants of the peninsula are for the most part the same people (mostly Slavs), genetically, culturally, linguistically...
Not to mention the fact that any empire that had control of the region also held the "Gates of Europe" in terms of the silk road, as they would experience grate economic wealth that farther fueled there growth. The best example of this is when the Ottoman turks took over and, do correct me on this if I am wrong, prevented Europians from having a RELATIVLY easy and inexpensive access to far east goods do to the islamic nation blocking the way, which subsequently lead to the age of exploration try and circumvent this islamic wall. And this is just ONE example of it. And again please do correct me on anything if I was wrong
@@stavrosasimakopoulos No,you can´t say that,they where succesfull they used the slavonic alphabet by Kiryll and Methodie,the whole Church rites where in Slavonic and not in greek but even so the resistance was futile against the Turks,the socalled greek Pope Patriarch in Tsarigrad was just a turkish puppet,powerless separated Orthodox church was a easy pray for the Green Flame.
Crazy to see how many different cultures and empires have fought over the same mountains and plains over the past two thousand years. Great video! I must say, it was ballsy of you to make this given the comment section on every Balkan related video.
Great video. My family is Serbian but has lived in Croatia for hundreds of years. A large proportion of Serbs fled to and settled in modern-day Croatia following the Ottoman invasion of Europe and up until the more recent Civil war in in the former Yugoslavia in the early '90's, Croatia was home to a significant Serbian minority population (estimated at approx 11-12% prior to the Balkan civil war) . In addition to the Serbian minority, Croatia also had other ethnic minorities living on its territory including Czechs, Italians, Sovenes, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, and the Romany, it's rare that the ethnic diversity of Croatia is ever mentioned, so thank you for acknowledging that in your video. I also found your point about the predominance of the I2 haplogroup in the Balkans really interesting and your added point that the haplogroup is also common among Romanians, which are frequently presumed to be of non-Slavic origins.
Kinda related, but 1:40 about Croats and Serbs pretending to not be able to speak and understand each other is in my opinion very untrue - however, where this comes from probably is from Serbia/Croatia claiming Serbian and Crotian are separate languages when both can speak to understand each other with no issue. 7:00 - Croatia definitely dropped Cyrillic big time, however Cyrillic is not exclusively used in Bosnia, Montenegro, and Serbia - the Latin script is used as well, especially in Bosnia - probably seeing Cyrillic as a "Serbian" thing and trying to erase any "Serbian" things.
Firstly, there are no Eastern Roman historians attributing the ease of Slavic settlement to Justinian's plague - which was spread all over Europe (despite its popular name and the worst scenario occurring in densely populated Constantinople) and almost certainly affected Slavs. Further on, based on all archaeological findings of both the Antes and the Sclavenes, we know for a fact that equipment was standardized in the sense that every excavated grave of a Slavic warrior features chainmail and sword (fashioned in East Roman style), an ax, round wooden shield, and a long spear. Some Slavic warriors were wearing belts with buckles adorned with Avar motifs, but they were most likely spoils of war or items of trade. The only group of Slavs that have fought without armor was warbands of young warriors who've fought entirely naked (barring the red paint on their body, hair, and face) and in melee (the ones that were described as being red-haired by Procopius), and some groups of Pannonian Wends who were tributaries of the Pannonian Avars, and relying on ambushes was a part of defensive strategies, and only against hosts that were too numerous and too well-armed, like the joint Avar-Roman host that assailed Sclavene territories after Daurentius slew Bayan's envoys and refused to pay tribute to him. Aside from that, both the Antes and the Sclavenes have utilized large breeds of horses for warfare, and matter of fact, an entire host of Antean and Sclavene horsemen was dispatched to evacuate Belisarius from Italy, which proves the aforementioned. Secondly, the Avars have only managed to subjugate the more passive parts of the Dudlebes, as well as parts of the Wends - certainly not the Antes and the Sclavenes, who were noted to have lived only under the reign of their own kings like Muzok and Mezamir (Antes) and chieftains like Radagast and Daurentius, of whom the latter was described as being the supreme chief of all Sclavenes. Procopius' early assessment of Slavic social structure was just that - an early assessment based off of early sightings of Slavic warbands that were initially considered to have been "small tribes governed by "military democracy". As interaction with Slavs intensified, he realized that the Slavs did exhibit an organized social structure, albeit admittedly, the Antes were the most centralized body of the Early Slavs, with a hereditary monarchy where one king reigned over all of the Antes, while among the Sclavenes, you've had one known supreme chieftain like the aforementioned Daurentius to whom other chieftains were subordinate, there was also a mention of Sclavene kings, like Perbundos, who led a coalition of Sclavene tribes deep into Greece. Likewise, the Avars were first invited to make a move against the Slavs by the Roman emperor Tiberius, and later on, Emperor Heraclius would invite Serbs and Croats from the distant Slavic northwest to liberate the northern provinces of the Avars and have them settle all those provinces as his vassals which he'd ennoble, which refutes any theory of the Sclavenes and Antes arriving to Southeastern Europe off of the back of the Avars. After all, the earliest Slavic raids deep into the Roman territory were accompanied by the enslavement of an estimated quarter of a million Romans in every province struck by the Slavs and the sacking and besieging of Roman cities, which were recorded as early as the first part of the 6th century - decades before the Avars were contacted by Emperor Tiberius, and before they reached the most distant part of the basin of the Danube. On top of that, the invading Sclavenes have also slain Asbadus/Asbados - the famed Roman/Gepid general, and have also annihilated his elite army, a feat which would've been impossible if the Slavs "only fought from afar", or worse, if they've "made no use of pitched organized warfare". The usage of poison arrows and guerrilla warfare was deployed only in defensive wars against a martially superior enemy - like against the combined Roman-Avar army during Maurice's campaign which was launched deep into Sclavene territories north of the Danube. In the work of Menander Protector, we find the following excerpt: "This movement of Avars against the Slavs did not only result from Emperor's envoys and the wish of Bayan to return the courtesy unto Romans for all the gestures of friendship and help that he had received from the Emperor but also because he held great hate for them (the Slavs) out of personal sentiment as well. The Avar leader has, therefore, sent envoys to Daurentius (Δαυρίτας) himself, and to his chieftains, calling on for their submission and enlistment among tribute-payers. Dauritas and the leaders alongside him replied: "Who is, then, the man which basks in sunlight that threatens to conquer our strength? We are used to ruling over others, not to being ruled over - of that, we are certain for as long as wars are waged and swords are forged". Since the Slavs acted so haughtily, the Avars were no different in boasting. Then the scolds and insults resulted from that, being that the barbarians are of a narrow and proud mind, and the fight broke out. The Slavs, unable to control their anger, killed the envoys, as Bayan found out from another source. Because of that Bayan has long since raised accusations against the Slavs, fueling a secret hatred against them, mad for they refused him, and angry that from them he received an unforgivable insult, in the same time he thought he would do a favor to Caesar and likewise *find a rich land to plunder, for far too long has the land of Romans been plundered by Slavs, and theirs (Slavic) - never by any of other peoples*." Thirdly, the Early Slavs seized and inhabited a massive territory that spanned from the east of Germany to the Baltic and the very distant fringes of Eastern Europe. Matter of fact, the bulk of the Sclavenes have lived on the northern shores of the Danube and were bribed by Roman authorities into maintaining that status quo, at least temporarily. Also, Slavs weren't "monotheistic", they were henotheistic. Even though Perun was their chief god, they also recognized the existence of other gods as well, hence why the Sclavenes and the Antes worshipped Perun and Veles - which also reflected their lifestyles, which were very warlike and militarized and subsided on animal husbandry, fishing, hunting, gathering and the practice of a form of agriculture that required the burning of the soil, so they weren't nomadic, but certainly not entirely sedentary either. It's also important to note that Procopius also states that the Sclavenes and the Antes shared the same customs, beliefs, and institutions. The same goes for the Wends, which is also supported by the homogeneity of early Slavic aDNA, YDNA, and language, although material culture was far more varied (depending on which culture they defeated and assimilated). Fourthly, the role of the Avars in all of this is overemphasized, and for the following reasons: a) As mentioned before, they were invited by the Romans to defeat and subdue unruly peoples on the Danube, like the Antes (who were Roman allies from time to time as well), and during the next century or so will be the foremost "allies" of the Romans against the Slavs, up until Heraclius invites the Serbs and Croats (Sclavene tribes) to defeat and annihilate them south of the Danube. b) While it's true that the Avar hosts were initially the largest, they were in time overshadowed by the Sclavene hosts, which have, after realizing that the Roman authority on the Danube is no more, begun launching massive invasions that were also preludes to the permanent settling of the lands they've seized and initiated the assimilation of the peoples they've defeated and temporarily subjugated. c) Western historians tend to make the mistake of not distinguishing the Slavs, even though primary sources from that era have noted that the Early Slavs were divided into three groups: the Wends, the Sclavenes, and the Antes, which brings us to the point of the "100 000 Slavs" that were part of the Avar host - most of them were Pannonian Wend tributaries of the Avars, while the rest were Sclavene allies who, thanks to their arrangement with the Avars, were exempt from abiding by Avar-Roman peace treaties, and would continue raiding and marauding as they pleased, which brought great displeasure to Bayan senior and junior, and the Roman emperors as well. d) Slavs would've invaded and permanently settled the lands south of the Danube one way or the other, the involvement of the Avars has only somewhat hastened of process, and by subsequently making sure that the Sclavene tribes would form the overwhelming bulk of those who'd settle and seize the territories in question by waging exhaustive wars with the Antes. At most, the Avars were a strictly Pannonian phenomenon and were never masters of the "Balkans", which is also supported by archaeology and modern genetic studies, and given that you're made a mention of primary Roman/Greek sources, you should also know that there's not a single one of them that claims that the Slavs were migrating with the Avars, but that they were invading Southeastern Europe at the same time. You could potentially make that point for the aforementioned Pannonian Wends, but not for the bulk of the invading Slavs - who were Sclavenes and Antes. e) Sclavenes have besieged Thessalonica five times (in 586 or 597, 604, 615, 617, and 676), and only in two of those sieges were the Slavs assisted by the Avars.
Procopius, Book V, XXVII, 134: "(...) This exploit, then, was accomplished by the Goths on the third day after they were repulsed by the assault on the wall. But twenty days after the city and harbor of Portus were captured, Martinus and Valerian arrived, bringing with them sixteen hundred horsemen, the most of whom were Huns and Sclaveni and Antae, who are settled above the Ister River not far from its banks. (...)" Procopius about Slavic invaders capturing and enslaving a lot of Romans: Procopius, Book VII, XIII - describing events in the year 545 AD: "(...) For a great throng of the barbarians, the Sclaveni, had, as it happened, recently crossed the Ister, plundering the adjoining country and enslaving a very great number of Romans. (...)" Procopius of Caesarea: "(...) In Illyria and Thracia, from the Ionian Gulf to Byzantine surrounding cities, where Hellas and Chersonese regions are situated, (...) the Sclavenes and the Antes, penetrating practically every year since Justinian administering the Roman Empire, were inflicting irreversible damage to their inhabitants. In each invasion, I estimate 200,000 Romans were either taken as prisoners or killed (...)" Procopius about Roman attempts to stop the Slavic invasion: "(...) the Empire wasn't able to find just one only man just as brave to undertake this task." Pope Gregory I in a letter to the Exarch of Italy from the year 599: "(...) It deeply afflicts and disquiets me the Slavic nation that menace us. It afflicts me from what I already suffer from you, it disquiets me because they have already started to penetrate into the Italic peninsula through Istria. (...)" And according to Priscus, 610 Slavic tribes flooded into Greece. Procopius of Caesarea: "(...) Nay further, they [the Slavs] do not differ at all from one another in appearance. For they are all exceptionally tall and stalwart men, while their bodies and hair are neither very fair nor blond nor indeed do they incline entirely to the dark type (...)". Procopius of Caesarea: "(...) In more or less the same time [549 - 550] a Slavic army (...) gathered itself together and after crossing without encountering any resistance from anyone the river Ister [Danube], and later with similar ease the river Heuros, it divided itself for two parts. (...) Commanders of Roman garrisons in Illyria and Thrace fought against both those parts and even though they had already separated from each other, the Romans suffered - contrary to their expectations - a defeat and some of them fell dead on the spot, while others found salvation in escaping. (...) After all, garrisons had suffered such defeats at the hands of either one or the other of the barbarian armies, one of the enemy bands fought against the troops of Asbadus. He was a member of Emperor Justinian's personal guard (...) and he led a numerous and elite force of cavalry, which had been garrisoned for a long time inside the Thracian stronghold of Tdzurulon. But also, they were forced to retreat by the Slavs and most of them, shamefully escaping, got slaughtered, while Asbadus himself was captured and temporarily left alive, but soon after that the Slavs skinned him alive and threw him into a burning campfire. After that, the Slavs were plundering all neighboring Thracian and Illyrian lands without any obstacles and both of their two units captured many strongholds. (...) And those who had defeated Asbadus, later plundered, in turn, everything up to the sea coast and captured in an assault the coastal city of Toperus (...) And they slaughtered 25,000 men, plundered everything, and enslaved all the children and all the women. (...)" John of Ephesus: "(...) In the third year after the death of Emperor Justin, during the reign of victorious Tiberius, the damned nation of the Slavs has risen, and marched through entire Hellas, through lands of Thessaly and Thrace, captured many cities and strongholds, plundered, burned, and robbed, seized the land and settled there with full ease, without fear, like in their own land. (...) they were plundering the country, burning it, and robbing, as far as the Great Walls [of Constantinople], and this is how they captured many thousands of cattle, as well as many other kinds of booty. (...) Until today, that is until year 584, they still continue to live in peace in the lands of the Rhomaioi, without fear and concern, plundering, murdering and burning, getting rich and highjacking gold and silver, capturing horses and plenty of weapons; and they have learned to fight better than the Rhomaioi. (...)" Menander Protector: "(...) About the fourth year of the reign of Caesar Tiberius Constantine, some hundred thousand Slavs broke into Thrace and pillaged that and many other regions. As Greece was being laid waste by the Slavs, with trouble liable to flare up anywhere, and as Tiberius had at his disposal by no means sufficient forces, he sent a delegation to the Khagan of the Avars. (...)" Strategikon of Maurice: "(...) They do not keep prisoners in perpetual slavery-like other peoples, but they demarcate for them a limited period of time, after which they give them a choice: they can return home after purchasing their freedom or stay among them as free people and friends. (...)" “Strategikon of Maurice: "...being freedom-loving, they are in no way inclined to become slaves or to obey, especially in their own land." (Strategikon of Maurice, ed. prep. V. V. Kuchma. SPb., 2004, p. 189)” Jordanes: "(...) These people, as we started to say at the beginning of our account or catalog of nations, though off-shoots from one stock, have now three names, that is, Venedi, Antes, and Sclaveni. (...) they now rage in war far and wide, in punishment for our sins (...) Though their names are now dispersed amid various clans and places, they are chiefly called Sclaveni and Antes. (...)" Procopius of Caesarea: "(...) Belisarius was eager to capture alive one of the men of note among the enemy, in order that he might learn what the reason might be why the barbarians were holding out in their desperate situation. And Valerian promised readily to perform such a service for him. For there were some men in his command, he said, from the nation of the Sclaveni, who are accustomed to concealing themselves behind a small rock or any bush which may happen to be near and pounce upon an enemy. In fact, they are constantly practicing this in their native haunts along the river Ister, both on the Romans and on the barbarians as well. (...)" Abraham ben Jacob (a 10th-century Sephardic Jewish traveler from Muslim Spain): "(...) Slavic countries extend from the Mediterranean Sea to the Northern Ocean. (...) Generally speaking, Slavs are warlike and violent, and if not for their internal discord and lack of unity, no other nation would be able to match them in strength. (...)" And about the arrival of the Croats and Serbs (but it was much later - not during the 500’s, but during the 600’s): Constantine Porphyrogennetos, "De Administrando Imperio": "(...) their ancestors were Pagan Croats and Serbs, known also as White [Croats and Serbs]. Great Croatia, called also White [Croatia], until today is still Pagan, just like neighboring [Lusatian / West Slavic] Serbs [Sorbs] (...)" And another excerpt - "De Administrando Imperio": "(...) Therefore everyone, who would like to do research about Dalmatia, can read herein about the way how the Slavic peoples took it. The Croats with their families came to Dalmatia and found the Avars in possession of that land. After fighting against each other for some time, the Croats defeated the Avars, partially murdered them, and partially forced them to submissiveness. Since that moment the country was seized by the Croats. (...)" “Daurentius is the first Slavic chieftain to be recorded by name, by the Byzantine historian Menander Protector, who reported that the Avar khagan Bayan I sent an embassy, asking Daurentius and his Slavs to accept Avar suzerainty and pay tribute because the Avars knew that the Slavs had amassed great wealth after repeatedly plundering the Byzantine Balkan provinces. Daurentius reportedly retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs [...] so it shall always be for us.” Daurentius (to the Avar envoy): "Who is, then, the man who basks in sunlight that threatens to conquer our strength? We are used to ruling over others, not to being ruled over - of that, we are certain for as long as wars are waged and swords are forged". I've extracted the most relevant quotes from the primary sources and DAI, hope it helps.
Modern Western interpretations of medieval sources would indicate the Slavic area as being the main reservoir of slaves in the whole period of the Early Middle Ages, beginning probably in the 6th century, and with a peak around the 10th. This preference for slaves of Slavic origin - so strong as to make Slavs the slaves by antonomasia - has been easily explained: in that period Slavic people were the only ones who were still pagan, and this detail is most important as it explains why, by choosing them, early medieval slave traders - mostly Venetian, Genoese and Jewish - did not violate the new principles of the “Societas Christiana”, introduced by Pope Gregory the Great at the end of the 6th century, according to which baptized people must be excluded from slavery. What should be noted is that aside from this being a mere theory, it is also historically and etymologically inaccurate, and unconvincing. After all, the Medieval Latin words for “Slav” and “Slave” are not etymologically related. The Medieval Latin word for “slave”, and with it, its root as well, predates the first sightings and contact of mainland European civilization with the Slavs. The evolution of the name of Slavs "Sloveni/ Slaveni" comes from PIE *klew (to hear) evolving into proto-Slavic *slovo/ *slava (word/ fame), finally evolving into Sloveni/ Slaveni (those glorious/ those who understand each other). Meanwhile, the English word for "slave" comes from the Latin word "clavis/ clavus" (a key/ nail), which bore the Latin word "inclavare" (to lock in), ultimately giving rise to the word "sclavus" (slave - "a locked one"), which most likely entered the English language, along with a major portion of Romance words, with the Norman invasion. In 1881, a proper etymology was expressed, according to which the Greek word Σκλάβινοι does not stem from the self-name of the Slavs, but from the Greek verb σκυλεύο - "to extract spoils of war", and resonates in the manner in which Slavs and other ethnicities were enslaved - as prisoners of war. The aforementioned etymologies are free of politicization, are accurate, and are firmly rooted in history and linguistics. Based on this, the self-name of the Slavs and their Modern Helleno-Latin name coincided phonetically purely accidentally (F. Kluge, Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache 1881/1989/2002), and the thesis where the modern word for “Slave” is not rooted in the self-name of the Slavs, and is refuted.” (Gerhard Kobler - Deutsches Etymologisches Wörterbuch 1995, Korth Georg - Zur Etymologie des Wortes 'Slavus' (Sklave) 1970, and Daniel Scholten - Deutsch für Dichter und Denker: Unsere Muttersprache in neuem Licht, 2020). The aforementioned theory and etymology are furthered by Korth Georg, Friedrich Kluge, Gerhard Kobler, and Daniel Scholten (and Grimm’s German Dictionary). Further on, the cognate with Sloveni/Slaveni is the word Sclavinii/ Slabini, a Latin that denotes Slavic ethnic groups. From a purely historical perspective, Greece and Gaul were Rome’s main reservoir of slaves for centuries, while the Irish were the main reservoir of slaves for their Normano-English oppressors for more than half a millennium, and before them, to Norsemen as well. Dublin was the largest slave market in Western Europe. Its main sources of supply were the Irish hinterland, Wales and Scotland, while in the Far and the Middle East, the Turkmen tribes would supply the largest portion of Eurasia with innumerable slaves for nearly a millennium. Aside from that, just during the earliest stage of the Slavic invasion of Roman territory south of the Danube (6th century), a fifth of a million Roman citizens (Procopius) were enslaved by the Sclavenes (early South Slavs) in just one Roman province, and just during a single raid, the number of their slaves kept growing as more and more provinces and their capitals fell to the aforementioned Slavs. In reality, the majority of slaves in the 6th and 7th centuries were the Christian Romans, not their Slavic captors. Granted the Slavs didn't enslave their enemies permanently, but they've enslaved them nonetheless, and in numbers that are substantially greater than the number of Slavs who were enslaved by non-Slavs during the entirety of the middle ages, and it renders the aforementioned non-Slavs as being more fitting to have their ethnonyms made “synonymous” with slavery The Western terminology for "slave", to a certain extent, is similar in form to the self-designation of the Slavs ("Sloven", "Slavjan" etc.) Their existence served as the basis for numerous anti-Slavic statements, theories, and consecutive waves of propaganda, which have sometimes acquired the scope of genuine mythologies. Moreover, these ideas were even given an academic platform. As it happened more than once, when “not entirely” adequate premises gained an academic platform and were entrenched there since. The premise of "Slavs" is the root of words for "slaves" found a permanent foothold in Western Academia, giving rise to a series of pseudoscientific, inform, but questionable, in essence, representations and statements. The essence of these premises is that these words are related to the ethnonym of the Slavs, allegedly, "due to the fact that in the Early Middle Ages, the Slavs became objects of the slave trade, which led to the use of their ethnonym as a designation for slaves." Sometimes, it was even argued that Western Europeans, whose languages contain these words, directly, massively, and regularly turned the Slavs into slaves, and in general, other far-reaching conclusions were made, such as that the "Slavs are slaves" and the Western Europeans are "their masters." Moreover, in the 18-19th century in Western European journalism, the idea was persistently exaggerated that even the word "Slav" itself comes from the Latin or Greek word for "slave". This was the “think tank” of an 18th-century French historian and publicist. Polemics regarding this myth and premise are found even in Dostoevsky’s "Diary of a Writer". As for the idea of the origin of the word "Slav" coming from the word for slaves - at the present time, it is not considered scientific and has long been recognized as erroneous, or even deliberately Slavophobic. The birthplace of this terminology is the ERE. In the Early Middle Ages, in the so-called Medieval Greek, the word "σκλάβος" (read as "sklavos" - "slave") appeared. Further - from the ERE and Medieval Greek, this word found its way to Medieval Latin (and from there to Medieval French) - the official, as well as international legal, political, commercial, and scientific language of Western Europe. Moreover, in different languages, it appears in different timelines. In accordance with Webster's Dictionary, the word appears in English only in the 14th century, while Webster gives an etymological origin of the basis of the premise of this stream of Slavic slaves dating back to the 10th century, specifically during the reign of Henry the Fowler and Otto I, therefore moot and chronologically off by several centuries. Thus, the direct appearance of these words in Western European languages, for reasons allegedly of the abundant trade in Slavic slaves, is excluded. Since the word has a clearly traceable and understandable history. And it did not arise in the West, but in ERE. The word for “slave” in Medieval Greek derives from the Greek verb skyleúo - meaning “to get spoils of war”, the first-person singular of which looks like skyláo. This etymology is established thanks to the following sources: F. Kluge, Etymologisches Wörterbuch der Deutschen Sprache. 1881/1989/2002, siehe Sklave: “... zu gr. skyleuein, skylan, V. zu gr. Skylon ", Gerhard Köbler, Deutsches Etymologisches Wörterbuch, 1995, Sektion "Slaven" and Daniel Scholten, Deutsch für Dichter und Denker: Unsere Muttersprache in neuem Licht, Sklave und Slawe “. Thus, it is proven that the Greek word "sklav", "slave" - comes from the abovementioned Med. Greek word, the original meaning of which was "seized in war".This etymology, and Georg Korth’s "Zur Etymologie des Wortes 'Slavus' (Sklave)" refutes the premise that the Med. Greek and modern Western word for “slave” derived from the self-name of the Slavs. This etymology is furthered by Korth Georg, Friedrich Kluge, Gerhard Kobler, and Daniel Scholten (and Grimm’s German Dictionary). Furthermore, it turns out that the "Slavs" and all these numerous Western European "sklavas" are only homonyms. There are innumerable examples of such consonant coincidences (both within the same languages, and between words from different languages). This is a fairly common occurrence, especially among Indo-European languages. Thus, in the ERE, a new word was found and associated with the verb that means "to seize trophies of war", which was from then on used to denote slaves. At the same time, the previous word for slave, which previously meant slaves, was repurposed to denote indentured serfs attached to the land they’ve toiled.
In terms of material culture, we have substantial information on the following: Slavic material cultures are divided into the following groups, Early Slavic (group a), partially Slavic (group b), and Proto-Slavic (group c) archaeological cultures: a) Penkovka culture, Prague-Korchak culture, Sukow-Dziedzice culture, Feldberg culture, Slavic Tornow culture, Mogilla culture, Volyntsevo culture, Kiev culture, Ipotesti-Candesti culture. b) Chernyakov culture, Long Barrow Culture. c) Zarubintsy culture, Przeworsk culture. Further on, the Franks, Avars, and Magyars have only influenced the military and administrative history of the Pannonian Wends, and they're the ancestors of the Slavs of Balaton, Nitra, Great Moravia, and Slovakia, and they've never formed the bulk of the Early Slavs, but merely a portion of the Wends (the Early West Slavs). To interpret the history of the rest of the Slavs through their particularity is rather tendentious, and even ignorant of the full extent of the history of the Early Medieval Slavs, whether they're West, East, or South Slavic. Matter of fact, the bulk of the Early Slavs was made of the Sclavenes and the Antes, and the overwhelming majority of primary sources from that era were based on peaceful and hostile interaction with them. Further on, the military and administrative history of the Antes and the Sclavenes was strictly a mixture of Slavic traditions and East Roman/Greek influences, which was reflected in the First Bulgarian Empire as well, where Slavic and Bulgar tribal and administrative traditions were integral parts of the state, yet the latter would be entirely ousted by the Slavo-Roman model as early as during the reign of Boris I. In terms of sheer aDNA, Yugoslavs still score predominately in Early Slavic ancestry (ranging from 55-70% on an average), the reason why they're more southern-shifted is not that they're "Greek farmers", but because they've assimilated populations that were overwhelming of Neolithic autosomal ancestry, thus them clustering not as close to modern Western and Eastern Slavs, who've historically mixed with peoples who were of a similar genetic composition as the Medieval Western and Eastern Slavs.
Those who attribute the success of the Slavic invasion and colonization of Roman territories to the Avars omit the following: a) Serbs didn't invade in the 6th, but in the mid-7th century, and in toe with the Croats, and were tasked with exterminating all Avars south of the Danube and ruling all the provinces they’d liberate at the request of emperor Heraclius. b) The Slavs who've invaded, conquered, and colonized Southeastern Europe were the Sclavenes and Antes, not the “Avaroslavs”, who were noted to have been Pannonian Wends, and were, aside from the Greeks/Romans themselves, also distinguished from other Slavs on that very basis by Fredegar, and were mentioned only twice in all primary Greek sources, during the Siege of Constantinople in 626, and during one of the many Slavic sieges of Thessaloniki, where Saint Demetrius states they arrived to assist the already present Sclavenes who've besieged the city, lured by promises of the city’s wealth. c) By the time the Avars arrived at the Danubian basin at the invitation of emperor Tiberius, who had invited them for the sole purpose of waging war against the Sclavenes, Antes, and Kutrigurs, the Slavs were already invading and raiding Southeastern Europe for roughly forty years, and as deep as Southern Peloponnesus, Crete and the outer walls of Constantinople. d) All primary sources, like Jordanes, Procopius, Saint Demetrius, John of Ephesus, Theophylact of Simocatta, and Menander Protector state that the Sclavenes and the Antes were under the rule of their rulers like Mezamir, Muzhok, Dervan/Daurentius, and Radogost, and weren't subdued by the Avars, and distinguish them from the aforementioned Avaroslavs (Pannonian Wends). e) Attributing the success of the Slavic invasion and colonization of Southeastern Europe to the Avars is, aside from being contradictory to all primary Roman/Greek sources, since the very purpose of the invitation of the Avars was to wage war against the Slavs and the Kutrigurs, which is exemplified in the joint Avar-Roman invasion of Daurentius' realm, also a textbook example of 19th and 20th-centuries German, Italian, Greek, Hungarian and Austrian anti-Slavism designed to undermine the legitimacy of Slavic history, the geopolitical realities of Slavic territories, and to portray Slavs as a subsidiary mass of naturally subordinate peoples. Sources: Jordanes, Procopius, Saint Demetrius, John of Ephesus, Theophylact of Simocatta, and Menander Protector, De Administrando Imperio, Sima Cirkovic, Dimitry Obolensky, Tibor Zivkovic, and Frederick Hamilton Jackson.
Nice job! Suggestions for future topics: 1. The peoples of Sardinia, Corsica, and the Balearic Islands ("Who were the Sea People's?") would fit with this as well. 2. Carpatho-Rusyns Explained 3. What if the Kalmar Union Reunited today? 4. Nepal, Bhutan, Northern India/Myannmar 5. Jewish history in China and India 6. What does the word "Mechtoid" mean, and some Late Neolithic cultural complexes explained? Hope that helps!
if i you find that profile offensive i would like to see your reaction to Scorpo's shitposts. That guy literary animated tito bonking stalin with a bat. stay safe brother
True story: I'm Croatian and at college we had to watch documentary that was synchronized in serbian and we insisted to watch it in original english. To be fair the audio of serbian version was bad.
what are you saying croatian and serbian are like the same language...get real ...regards from slovenia ja razumem hrvatski i srbski a niko ne razumije slovenski
@@goranboromisab7767 oh please, i'm (half) serbian: i go to my family in serbija and i don't understand a single word (i do need to add, my family is from babusnica/pirot region. i'm sure those 'in the know' will understand what i'm talking about). my dad was even more funny after returning from his 2 weeks in srbija + 2 weeks in slovenija holiday. i could not stop laughing for days.
As a Greek American growing up in Chicago, some of my best friends that I've had all my life come from every country in the Balkans...LITERALLY! We drink together, eat together, play music together, laugh together, hit on the same girls together, etc! The VAST majority of us get along without any issues! I'm both grateful and blessed to have them in my close circle of friends, and am DAMN proud to call them my BROTHERS! Our similarities FAR outweigh all the other bullshit! Southern Slavs have FAR more in common with a Greek American like myself, than they do with any Eastern Slav...period! 👍
@@berisha6529 As well as Albanians. My Goddaughter is Albanian. I love EVERYONE from the Balkans! As long as they're good people! And I LOVE my Albanian brothers as much as I love my Slavic brothers! Greeks and Albanians are almost IDENTICAL genetically! I would invite you and ur family into my home and break bread NO PROBLEM! 👍
@@berisha6529 Greeks, Albanians, Southern Slavs, Western Turks, and Southern Italians are genetically almost IDENTICAL! FUCK religion! We are BROTHERS! 👍😛✌👌
Its actually not that complicated. Serbs and Croats are two closely related Slavic peoples who migrated together to Balkans, and also lived together, next to each other in original homelands. They speak same language, have same mentality etc. But in new land they got under influence and rule of different great powers. One under influence of Rome, Latin culture, Catholicism, Hungary, Austria etc., and other under influence of Greek culture, Byzantine empire, Orthodoxy. Later on turkish conquest came and orthodox ones were under turkish rule, adding new factor, slavs who took islam. They also speak same language and originate from Serbs and in lesser extent Croats, also same mentality etc, but are muslim now. With raise of European national state those started clashing in Balkans more in 19th and 20th century and inciting conflicts here using 'their' South Slavs. Germany, Vatican, Italy, Russia, England, they all did that in their fight for supremacy in Europe. These conflicts in Balcan were brutal and often with atrocities and led to a cycle of hate and revenge that was not originally there (still up to middle 19th century there has been no significant conflict or difference between Serbs and Croats, and they even cooperated in 1848 cryses and such). So it is foreign powers, including churches who put the division here, and cycle of revenge and raising local nationalism that fed it.
Yes Slovenians are also a tribe of south slavs who arrivied at similar time, bit more north of croats and serbs. There were more south slavic tribes, seven tribes in Bulgaria for example, but also many tribes now disappeared and assimilated who settled all the area of Greece down to Peloponesos. All these tribes are connected with language and origins.
exactly firtsy problem started from vatican which was trying to force its own agenda and slavs in balkans wanted to folow their own versions of christianity thus when turks came many easily and happily switched to Islam without force; also under Tursk orthodox christianity was given more rights and freedom while vatican was able to subdue roatian catholics who at one point had some orhtodox christianity members within also
Please make a second part of the video which includes more information about the influence of ancient peoples on the Balkans like Thracians Dacians, Greeks, Illyrians, because their genetic imprint on the Blakans was huge. The influence of Indians, Iranians, Armenians, Tatars and many others must also be mentioned. The Celts and the Germans were also there, but they didn't leave a particularly prominet trace.
Greek , Albanians and Kosovo and even Bulgaria is direct decendants of proto balkanic people that enter Balkan 8 thousand years ago they carry Y-DNA haplo group E1b1b/E-V13. Around bronze age 3-2 thousand BC, humanity started to haved advance civilization, languages emerged and culture. The proto balkanic people in the South the Mycenaean, Minoan (Greeks) and the proto balkanic in the north Ilyrian (Albanians) the Proto balkanic people in north east Thracian (Bulgarian). While the minoan, Mycenaean civilization is the first in Balkan to have advanced civilization, they adopted and upgraded the Phoenicians alphabet from Phoenicians (ancient Lebanese) . The Mycenaean later call it as the Greek/Hellenic alphabet. Making Greeks the first civilized Proto balkanic people. How about the J2 haplo group to Balkan people? The J2 is haplo group of Western Asian sphere especially Armenian, and native Anatolians. You need to remember that the Greek Anatolians are only hellenized people means they only called Greek because they speak the Greek language because they are colony of the real Hellenic Greek people in the Balkan . The easiest example is like Moroccan and Tunisian calling Arabs just because they speak Arabic due to colonization of north Africa by the real Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Moroccan and north Africa have different DNA to ARABS. Just like the Greek Anatolian they haved DNA Haplo of J2 similar to Armenians and other ancient Anatolian people not the same DNA to the Balkan Greeks. In 13th century AD, Seljuk Turks started to colonized Anatolian making the Anatolian people migrate to the Balkan especially Greece, this is the reason why the genetic makeup of modern Balkan change dramatically.
If you actually know anything about the slovene language you would know its actually west slavic. Explanation: Slovenians were first part of Samo's kingdom (lead by Samo, a frankish merchant), samo's kingdom was a state made out of different west slavic tribes. Then the Slovenes got seperated from the rest of the west slavs by the germans (Bavarian kingdom). Thats the reason why there is a german state (Austria) seperating 2 different slavic countries today. After we got seperated by the germans slovenian started to get influenced by different cultures (Italian, Hungarian, German and serbo-croatian). Example of german influence in Slovene would be our counting system which is exactly the same as german, meanwhile serbo-croatian counting system is same as English. Thats why Slovenian is one of the most interesting languages. Its a canvas of different languages which make up the modern slovene.
Before I watch the video, I just wanna say that Balkan DNA can be found in Mexico, I don't know how, but I'm Mexican and took a DNA test I'm .3% Balkan.
Refugies from Balkan escape on sauth Italy because turcish invazion. Albanian and Croatia catholics. Sauth Italy was in that time under spanish rule. Part od spanish empire.
Ekmal Sukarno The biggest difference between South and North is accent. There were countless warfares in Ancient China. Most of the wars happened in North. Therefore, a lot of ancient northern Han Chinese fled to Southern China or even cross the sea to Japan. Most of Southern accents have deeper link with ancient Chinese language than Mandarin. As a Southern Han Chinese, I find it smoother to read Ancient Chinese poetry by my accounts than read read it by Mandarin.
Samilar paternal heritages but different maternal heritages. Many studies on Y-DNA haplogroups and mtDNA haplogroups have been conducted among Han Chinese.
Nice effort and story but here is one serious mistake. Masaman wrongly concludes that the predominant occurence of haplogroup I in Romania and the Balkans "proves" that Romanians are closer to Slavs. In fact, the predominant haplotype in Slavic populations is R1a. Therefore, the predominance of haplogroup I in the populations named "Southern Slavs" simply shows they are NOT as slavic as people think, even though they speak slavic languages. I mean, seriously man ... this was a little superficial homework (or just the fact that Balkans gives headacks to everyone :) ...). Also you should not overlook the fact that haplotype I is also the predominant haplotype in Scandinavia - which shows that Scandinavians (minus Fins) and people from the so called Balkan region (plus Romanians) share a common ancestry, a pre-indoeuropean one for that matter. PS. It is risky for people without training in natural sciences to venture (alone) on the territory of genetic origins. Just saying ...
@@adrianpotocki9799 That would require slavs to have migrated the other way round - from south and west to north and east. There is no indication of that in history whatsoever.
Turkic people are from Mongolia. But Turkish people are not. Turkish ppl are Greek/Arab/Persian by blood, who were ruled by a Turko/Mongolian ruling class.
Ertorol Rahmadow dna tests say otherwise. Turks conquered Anatolia, but majority of Turkish people do not have Turkic blood. Kazakhs and Uzbeks have more relation to the Seljuks and Ottomans than common Turkish people do.
I have some remarks about inaccuracies but I have to express my greatest satisfaction about the thorough understanding and analysis of the processes on the Balkan peninsula. Some of them are more suitable for high-level academic level of discussion which makes the whole video a compliment to the author.
SPQR_Miles_IC-I_Marsy slovenia is piece of shit your language is piece of shit go fuck yourself you are not slav you are german fuck you you have no history we croats have history hahaha
My grandma told me a story about Macedonia, how there was a Turkish prince that moved into Macedonian village on a mountain and would force all newly married women to sleep with him first, the Macedonian village people just moved their village further down the mountain to get away from him. I was also told a story how one of her aunts was cut in half by nazi planes that strafed the fields. And my Grandpa told me a story how he got lost in the night and found an abandoned church to sleep in, when he woke up he found he was sleeping on the bones of dead people.
First we say "Видимо се следећи пут" (Serbian version). Second, as Serb from region of Šumadija (central region of the country) I would not like to have any sort of political union with other peoples of the Balkan Peninsula, Slavic or not. We are just about sick and tired of all experiments of "brotherhood and unity" that does not exist in reality. For a century we (Balkan Slavs) have tried to put a life in a corpse called Yugoslavia and failed. It was capitalist and it was socialist. It was monarchy and it was republic. It was dominated by various ethnic groups at various times and nothing worked. Just endless quarrels and fights that were draining lives and resources of already poor people. That is why I hope that we will not see each other next time in Yugoslavia. As for Serbia if history and empiricism can learn us something than it is that we were better off alone. Yes it was hard then, as it is and will be hard today and tomorrow but steady and slowly country will go ahead better than it would in endless fight with others under the same roof. On a human level I understand emotions of many people. Many of them have had some great memories about Yugoslavia and spent better part of their lives in it. But sad reality of life is that House divided can not stand. And it should not. Fact is that we do not trust each other to live under some roof. Yes we speak almost same language (I like to call it Serbian-something) but that does not mean that we are less strangers to each other than to those who don't. For all intends and purposes there is not almost a single thing that say Serb can find in Zagreb or Sarajevo that is better than in Vienna, Berlin, London, Istanbul, New York and vice-versa. So why waste any more time. Our ancestors did not and we should not eather. 100 years ago average Serb almost did not know that Zagreb exists and lived happily with that ignorance in his own country. Why it should be different today, if he does not have specific, private business or personal interest to do so. Let's put the corps to the pages of history and move forward, each in its own way and any sort of "unity" leave to private initiative, risk and trade with minimum diplomatic relations just to facilitate that and some private relations that would hopefully die-off with time.
The main problem I see with understanding these nations is the approach. I simply cannot understand why are they still regarded as if they form some sort of a collective, when Yugoslavia has been dead and gone for many years now. Every nation needs to be approached separately to properly understand their motives and actions. If you tried to understand Europe as a whole, the same way some people are trying to understand South Slavs, you would find it the same incomprehensible mess as the "Balkans". It is an illusion that the history of Europe is less bloody and less complicated than the "Balkans region". Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia etc. are historical realities that have been around before Yugoslavia, they have existed within Yugoslavia and have continued to exist after Yugoslavia. I think it's finally time for the world to mentally "exit" Yugoslavia and give these nations the proper attention they deserve.
it's mostly Western Europeans that cling to the Yugoslavia narrative: they try to understand history by simplifying it; I'm Polish, and some Western Europeans still call me: a post-communist Eastern European (as if communism was the most important chapter in Central European history)
@@thegreekchad5066 no prob friend It's just the fact that, their language has no connection to iliriyan, their genes neither Iliriyans were writers, albanian language was first in written form during the begging of 20th century
You can't genetically tell Thracian, Iranic, or Slavic apart, because they were all Satem branch speakers of Indo-European languages and mainly carriers of R1a originally.
@Jovan Spasovski You understand shit from "ancient Macedonian" -- that looks suspiciously similar to ancient Greek!😝😂😂😂 Do you see anywhere your Macedonia on the map @1:15???🙄🤔🤫😖
bapashkling same like Greece , only a little earlier , 1821 , from Arbanite to Greek , they needed decades to learn that new language that till recently was explained to have been forged for the elites only , now they say it’s indo european and real as it gets , same with the Macedonians , from Arbanas (Arbanite) to Macedonian , they like the Greeks still know their roots , apparently same with the other balkan nation , they all tell how they were Arbanas before they became these new nations , apparently they would be attacked and fought by europe russia america etc , if they declare and hold their identity openly , it would mean challenging the new world order (modern nationalities) , strangely enough the russians europeans americans , they too tell how they’re from this same kin / nation , for example the English tell in real history and in lets call it configured history how they are from the balkans (Trojans/Bryges/Phryges) and Arbans (Albion/Alban-Scotland) , the Germans tell something else , like how they were Aryans , Arianism before modern Christianity , the name is Ar , ARban ARyan , and you’re all traitors , except if you had some reason to do this , like for example ‘everything is in two’ the religious way , meaning you forged reality in order to have two , because of a high reason , than you still are traitors but for a higher reason which excuses the betrayal , if by Ar is understood the father of this nation race and you did it because of him , than according to that intention it’s not even betrayal because Arban means made by Ar , meaning recognizing the true identity through biology , if this is done because of him and it’s his nation than it cannot be betrayal , even though technically it is , but they never hid it even though they showed skill to be able doing so , they always told what’s real , meaning it can’t be betrayal , more like a game , for a while taking another language and name , and it’s valid , because in the 90s for example it was fulfilled, everyone was convinced in this , even the Albanians , full Shqiptar , it’s over , isn’t it .
If i understand correctly, Slovenes (such as myself) are genetically more closely tied to central slavic group, such as Slovaks. In fact, the way i understand it, slovenes and slovaks were same tribe that was split by the hungarians. Also explains the linguistic similarities between us. That said, of course we're culturally part of south slavic group.
Not exactly true, the slovenes carry (38% R1a,) (30 - 35% I1 (11%) and I2 (24%)) and (R1b - 18 - 21% ). So if you look at the age of this haplogroups the I is the oldest and belongs to the Balkan region , the second oldest is R1a which came to balkans around 7500 bc and the youngest one is R1b which came to europe around 4800 bc. So by this statistics we can say that slovens are the original inhabitants of this region, and were here for thousends of years. The only 2 ''slavic'' tribes that came from carpathian mountins are serbs and croats around 700 - 900 ad. What you said about slovenians and slovaks being one nation is true after the huns the nation was separated. Even russian historian Yuriy Venelin wrote about slovenia that in the 4 century it was on of the europes empires covering lands from albania, venetia, tyrol, slovakia, slavonija, dalmatia, istria, bosnia .... And the culture of slovenians is much similar to the austrian one than the ''yugoslav'' one. Only in the last 150 years with propaganda, false history and changes in the language and the immigaration of 600,000 croats, bosnians, serbs after the ww2 and the yugoslav wars, ''slovenian culture became more similar to the yugoslav one.
+Carniolan Eagle Then what in the genetics shows that Serbs are from the Carpathians versus others? R1a is the most Carpathian, so Poland and Slovakia are the best fits.
It is not very clear what the origin of Bulgars was. There are many facts that suggest they were from the Irano-Persian branch of the Indo-European family. I am Bulgarian and I am acquainted with the topic.
Mr. Pace Well, there were really ancient Macedonians (the nation of Alexander the Great) but they were very influenced by the Ancient Greeks. At the end of the 19 century the population were South Slavic people who spoke a dialect of Bulgarian (there are even Ottoman documents that say so). But after the Balkan and World wars the Macedonian land became part of the Republic of Yugoslavia and a Macedonian identity was created. And after all the years of separation there are some differences between Bulgarians and Macedonians. After all, when you separate similar people for a long time, they evolve in different ways.
Mr. Pace Maybe it’s about politics. The common people generally don’t hate each other. In my opinion, Bulgarians and Macedonians should overcome their differences and work together for a better future.
" So why is there so much hate between theese two nations?" It is a political project by the serbs. They slaughetered and tortured thousands of people who did not wanted to give up their bulgarian identity after their land was occupied by serbs after the second balkan war. Then when the communism came and they were part of yugoslavia there was just a brainwashing campaign to push fake identity and fake history to the young generation.
@Masaman, since you've asked what region/group is intertwined with Balkans - here's an idea for you - *SORBS*. At 2:50 in your video you are showing the migration map of the Slavs directly to Balkans. But it is not completely accurate since it is missing an arrow showing a large portion of tribes that migrated to today's Germany first (Lužice - Lužički Serbs) and founded many famous German cities. Their history is amazing and since you've done videos on Romani people, you might find a lot of similarities due to forceful assimilation and marginalization of Sorbs in Germany (still happening!). History of Sorbs and Serbs is closely connected and we consider each other "long-lost brothers" mainly because it is from that region (Lusatia) that a significant group of Serbs under the Unknown Archon migrated from Samo's state to Balkans where they have joined and mixed with other Slavic groups ("the Seven Slavic Tribes") that previously have migrated there along with Avars (shown accurately on the mentioned map of yours). It is very likely that from these Serbian tribes that came from Dervan's Serbia the first Serbian dynasties originated. Should you decide to investigate the history of these groups you will find that many Slavic tribes were living in east Germany, parts of Czechia and Poland, many of which carrying simply typical Slavic last names (common in Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia today) and that variants of Sorb/Serbian tribes and Croatian tribes (Khorvaty) where living next to each other. SERBS AND CROATS Now, fast-forward to modern history it is very sad to see their successors fighting and disliking each other. It was a history of peaceful co-living of over 2000 years that we should be focusing on. Especially if we take into account that Serbian tribes and Croatian tribes (and I am deliberately saying tribes and not Serbs and Croats) have come a long way together. One theory suggests that even though Slavic by culture the names "Serbs" and "Croats" are not Slavic but that they came from their upper class rulers from Sarmatia (there are records of Serboi/Servia and Khorvaty/Horoáthos) and that proto-Slavic groups (ancestors of Serbs and Croats) were heavily influenced by them thus picking up the names and partially culture and tradition. If true, then this would mean that Serbs and Croats have actually lived together for over 2 millennia, migrated together, fought together and had a pretty similar road to the Balkans (taking into account that same as a part of Serbs moved from Samo's state, a large portion of Croats migrated from the neighboring White Croatia). It wasn't until only ~100+ years we started hating each other due to the rise of the concept of nations. Christianity played a major role in the meantime, finally drawing the line between Catholics (Croats) and Orthodox (Serbs), even though in early middle ages both were changing their official religion many times (depending of the dynasty rulers). This piece of history is NEVER mentioned in Serbian nor Croatian history books for reasons unknown to me. Pan-Serbian and Pan-Croatian ultra right ideas flourish in both countries suggesting that either Croats are actually Serbs (catholic) and speak Serbian language (coming from Serbian ultra right pseudo-historians) while the opposite Serbs are actually Croatian (only orthodox) is thought by Croatian far rights... LANGUAGE We all speak the same language and understand each other perfectly. We also do understand Slovenians to some extent (while Slovenians understand Serbs and Croats much better). Serbs understand North Macedonians pretty well (and Macedonians understand Serbs and Croats almost completely). In fact, the dialect spoken in Macedonia, according to some scholars is an earlier version or descend from medieval Serbian due to the fact that it was ruled by Serbian monarchs. Aside from language a major dispute are actually the origin of the Cyrillic alphabet (Bulgarians, Greeks, North Macedonians), and language reform (Serbs and Croats). Other disputes are among the Orthodox population and nationalization of their churches - Serbian, Macedonian and Montenegrin. But that's a whole another story... KOSOVO As for Kosovo - you're right, we do not talk about it but we should - at least in a civilized manner. Much of the things I've said about peaceful co-living with the Croats throughout the history applies for Albanian-Serbian relations too. We were friends once. Albanian tribes have already been there once the Slavic tribes came in. Many far right nationalist like to use this to justify the Kosovo issue saying that it originally belonged to Albania. And in a way it did - but only as a region where Ilyrian tribes lived. Leveraged by a theory that all Albanians are decedents from the Iliryan (even though there were far too many tribes) they believe that Kosovo and Metohija are rightfully theirs. It is important to mention that once the Slavic tribes moved into Balkans another massive ethnogenesis happened (prior one being among western Slavs, Samaritian and Germanic tribes) where all these different peoples including Illyrian decends, but also Latin, Tracian etc, mixed together... Serbian medival states grew to be strong and Kosovo played a major role there. Prior to mass conversion to Islam, rulers of Albanian tribes were friends with Serbian monarchs and their families are closely connected (relatives). It is almost impossible to distinguish ethnicity of serbo-albanian-montenegrian mixed tribes and people (rulers among them) who all lived under "tribal" culture during the middle ages but were mostly ruled by Serbian monarchs therefore influenced heavily by the Slavic culture. HAPLOGROUP My paternal lineage is E-V13 and my grandfathers are from Metohija (Kosovo), and this is one of the most dominant (if not the most dominant haplogroup in Albania and Kosovo). But it is also a 3rd most dominant in Serbia and comes from non-Slavic people who lived in Balkans prior to Slavs (dating back to DNA in remains of the Danube and Vinca culture). What does that mean - absolutely nothing. Finally, for you another interesting topic could be *Asia Minor Slavs* which are the Serbs that rose up against the Byzantines in 12th century and ended up being deported to Asia Minor where they founded new Serbian communities and cities. P.S. I LOVE your work and your channel! Keep up the excellent work! Thank you. Here's the list FYI: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs#/media/File:BOGUS%C5%81AWSKI(1861)_Das_Siedlungsgebiet_der_Sorben_vom_7._bis_11._Jahrhundert_in_Mitteldeutschland.jpg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_Archon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Serbia#/media/File:Migration_of_serbs04_01.png en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Slavic_peoples en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Serbs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor_Slavs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.svg
Oh, I just saw you have a video about how Slavic Germany is :) Sorry about that one. Yet, the relation between Sorbs and Serbs and their migration is still a good topic to cover ;)
South slavic muslim ☪️ here. Macedonia 🇲🇰 bosnia 🇧🇦 ♥ I miss Yugoslavia. Man made war devided us. Now covid (man made). But never forget that all we have is each other. Only the goodness in our hearts matters if we wanna get through this now. Stay strong everyone. Enemies will never stop invading. I guess thats just life, as it has always been that way. Dont be fooled, ever! 💛
hraans? hm thracians where the armies of konstantin the great that kill every man women and children that where not become a christian and left them roten not buried...then some centuries after the bulgarian king samuel genocite the thracians so he claim the area as bulgaria so most of the rest became bulgarians for the most reason that they dont want to go down in history as the destroyers of the ancient hellenic civilization and still today they dont want to be called thracians only the hellenes call the land thraki and east thaki the part that is in european turkey
Still occupying and not just BG. It was huge population consisting of many tribes, constantly fighting each other. Got integrated, they're all in the mix. Some of us still can track our roots to them.
They are the dominant today... Thrachians being the 2nd largest group in the world after the Hindu (according to Herodot) are the core of the Balkan people .. their major ancestors were the Pelasgi and their relatives the likes of Illyrians and Dacians ... these are the South Slavic people today in language and largly in genetics ... you see South slavs are really the only slavic people in both language and genetics ... poles and russians are really converts ... they north slavs just like most of Europe are from Turano-Aryan heritage from Eastern Europe and Siberia ... sounds like crazy theory but seems to be the most reasonanle even thou is not popular at all
Hungarians are central Europeans and Romanians indeed are south-east europeans but only the small coastline and back land actually is on the Balkan peninsula
7:47 Slovenia was not spared from war and did have a ten day war. North Macedonia was the only former Yugoslav nation to not have a war, but in 2001 there was a ten month insurgency in the country.
The more rich and powerful west european nations divided the balkans thru wars and hate because if it was one country it would be more powerful than any other west european country
wtf u talking about, yugoslavia had 20 million people. No matter how good the economy was it was a tiny country so not significant at all. Our people are just retarded and power hungry and fucked everything up. We are to blame, dont use this bullshit conspiracy to excuse how stupid our people and our government were and are
@@imawormbeforeiamaman4261 you need a brain....uk?is that the place where mohhammad is the second most popular name these days?you' need to come down from you high trone.there is no empire any more.you are just a little island in atlantic now,get over yourself arrogant little shit.master?like your pedofilic royals you mean?no,we don't have those.
Im from Macedonia. When I went to Zagreb, Croatia I was surprised to see that some of the people on the airport didn't want to speak to me in our mutually intelligible dialects, so I decided to speak to everyone in English. Some Croatians were offended because I did this. So, from personal experience, this video is correct on the fact that some people will pretend to not understand each other due to political reasons but I don't think it's a large percentage. Honestly, a lot of people though I was an asshole for doing it. But I grew up in the USA and even though I can understand Croatian very easy, it's even easier for me to speak English.
Serbo-Croatian is actually a one language, and Croatians, Serbians, Bosnians and Montenegrins became so divided only because of political conflicts. Forget about politics and about religious wars. Live in Peace ✌
We do not preatend that we don't understand either other we perfectly understand that we speak in same variation of language (I mean for Croat's and Serb's)
I have a Croatian cousin who was denied entry to UK because he refused to recognise the Serbian translator employed by UK border authority, even though he understands me perfectly & i am a Serb. There are a few idiots like him who pretend not to understand.
@@zivkovicable this is because Vuk Karadzic derived the Serbian language from today's Croatian language and made us understand each other very well today, except for 5-10% of words that are spoken only in those countries. However, Croatizing the non-existent Serbian language, which was more similar to Bulgarian than Croatian language is one of the reasons why Croatia and Serbia fought a war 150 years later. Fortunately, the Croats won both the language war and the gun war of the 1990s...today is called hrvatsko-srpski or srpsko-hrvatski but in origin thats Croatian language....we are EU, give me my language or fuck off xd
@@themitri5643 bulgars were west eurasian. modern bulgarians have 0 mongoloid admixture This shows ancient bulgars were not asian digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol_preprints/69/ and it turns out only 2.3% of modern bulgarians share ancient bulgar genes: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Bulgarians This is very similar to the Hungarians who have little to "Huns" but are a predominantly Balkan ethnicity related to modern Bulgarians. This coincides with the theory that the Balkans were the original place where civilization spread throughout europe. For the Italian university study bnr.bg/en/post/100729084/present-day-bulgarians-carry-genes-of-thracians-and-proto-bulgarians-not-of-slavs So bottom line is Bulgarians are more Thracian (the ancient population of the Balkans who had a kingdom at the time of dynastic Egypt and before ancient greece even) This shows that Bulgars were West Eurasian (in other words Europid). This is the 2.3% component of modern bulgarians. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26416319 further studies: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21674295
@@zarni000 you are right, I know who protobulgars and avars are in Bulgaria - only a rulling class. just like normans in England, English are still Germanic, not Norman. But, again, Bulgaria lost its original Bulgarian language, while keeping a non Slavic, turkic name. Bulgarians are like serbs today, slavenised autochtonous people, but Bulgarian name was never Slavic.
@@zarni000 I don't bealive Bulgarian studies on this matter, as Bulgarians are ashamed of their Turkic part of ancestry. yet, we all know to which race did Avar, Tatar, Ugar, Madjar, Khazar belong - Turkic. do you think Romeians were stupid when they called Hungary - turkey? and again, your cousins are still alive. Chuvash people are your cousins, Kabardino-Balkaria, kazan, Volga-bulgars. do you realy think that those folks such as Asparuh, Kubrat, Krum, Tervel,... didn't know their ancestry. if turkic ancestry is ok for Hungarians - why is it wrong for you? if we change teachings on Bulgarians, should we change teachings on Hungarians too? Why is it wrong to call Dulo dynasty a turkic dynasty. this whole story refers to Khans and great bolyars, not to modern Bulgarians. there is no ideologivcal consequences.
I'm Serbian and there are literally theories of us coming from the Celts, the Balkans, Asia, Russia... I'm pretty sure balkan slavs are one of the most genetically rich people
Ellie KX I have read theories That Serbs lived in Caucasus with Croatians and they actually were Scythian. in 4th century and later migrated with Slavs and took their language.
Majority of them are living in northern Greece. From the slavic states, i guess Macedonia is country with some noticeable minority of Vlahs, but perhaps not noticeably enough to be mentioned.
si? te simti cumva mai special? crezi ca ai vreun merit? sau sa fii roman ii vreo virtute? exista ceva special in sangele romanesc? stiu Iisus a fost dac la origine.. scuza-mi impertinenta dar sunt putin frustrat cand vad atata fudulism in constiinta romanului..
Why don't we all do a DNA research and let it speak the truth ? Then we can see which nations are the oldest in the Balkans and which nations came as invaders ?
I did that. My family is mix of Bosniaks, Croats, and Serbs. But only 15.8% of my DNA is east European. That is general east European, so I guess it's not only Slavic. 71% of my DNA is autochthon Greek-Balkan (pre-slavic). 3% Italian. Fallowed by some Spanish/Portugese, some general South European, and general broadly European. At the end all together 99% European. Rest are western Asian, perhaps some north African, and 0.1% unknown. Interesting part was about Greek-Balkan and Italian, because it shows DNA is mostly common in Bosnia, Croatia, and Peloponnese. Yet my Italian part is found in regions of Naples that were early settled by Greeks. I am thinking about switching to all Neapolitan pizza and Ouzo diet. I let you know if I survive. If I don't, well you know....
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"Don't call them Russians...never call them Russians"
Sounds like someone had a bad experience
I have met a number of Serbs and Croats who didn't like that someone called them Russians, or people who talked to them in Russian and expected them to understand. Ukrainians don't want to be called Russians either.
lmao some indian bloke texted me "ArE yOu RuSsIaN?" I was so triggerd lol
:o)
@@StopFear well, it's like calling americans "you english people"...
Territory of ex Yugoslavia has Slavic language but genetic is only 60% Slavic people. Perhaps even less. Here are descendants of Celts and Iliriyan tribes, descendants of people from Roman Empire, ... German groups, Italian groups, descants of people that came from Iran.
Why would anyone call Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks etc Russian? Russians aren’t the only Slavs.
They don't know we exist they know only russia that's why
Because people are stupid lol. Not everyone is well educated.
Yes
@@elenamancheva9961 WAR!!!!!!!
My last name is Slavic and I'm South Slavic and I had a substitute teacher speaking Russian to me because she thought I was Russian 😂
Wtf? Croats and Serbs pretending not to understand each other? No one from both countries does that
come to Australia
Diaspora Yugos don't count cuz they are more nationalist oriented than Serbs and Croats who lived in their countries their whole life.
Lupa gluposti,pogledaj ceo video videces da nema pojma sta prica
That would be seen only in official (polotician) meetings.
The common folk all laughed when the Bulgarian and Macedonian presidents met, and used translators :D
TheSuit Guy It only happens online, as a way to troll. IRL not possible.
As a Bulgarian I love all of my Balkan brothers!!❤️
Same!
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@@Jb30866 as a serb i dont hate u we learned to forgive
@@Jb30866 fu ck you rself with your overprices see and finally ad slovenian on a goddam menu in restaurants
@@Jb30866 We don't like Nazi-Croatia either
@@Jb30866 диси братееееее
As an American with no connections to the region, let me just say that I love the Balkans! Before traveling there I had heard all the stereotypes about the war, the racism, ethnic cleansing, etc. Instead I found friendly welcoming people, amazingly well preserved cities, fascinating history, and some of the most beautiful landscapes in all of Europe. God bless the people here, and may their future always be bright.
Actually, you're already home friend. The United States is the best country in the world and is a world superpower despite its young existence. It took the Europeans forever to get where we are.
MagnaYu "And all they have something that you, yankees don't have, a Universal Free Healthcare and almost Free University Education, which makes them more civilized than your country and definitely more attractive." - More attractive? Yes, I can just see those millions of immigrants flooding to get into your socialist paradise. You are delusional, and I strongly suspect a lot of the Balkan people would disagree with you on the blessings of socialism. You are likely either a child of the former "номенклату́ра", or you are a weakling that would never survive on your own without daddy government looking out for you.
"Free" NHS and university seems nice when you are
MagnaYu you are not civilized person. God bless the U.S, greetings from Bosnia.
Captain Linebacker n1 bro!
Zimbabwean here. My great grandfather was a Croatian from the island of Korčula. It is fascinating to know we have a bit of Slavic blood in us. Lots of Love and Light to all the Balkan nations and the Slavic peoples.
Great Marco Polo was from Korčula.Cheers from Croatia
My great grandmother was born in Korcula! Cheers!
Im bosnian living in London but often travel to Korčula, thats funny how a croat from there ended up in zimbabwe
what what? you are from zimbawe or from croatia with zimbawean blood like i dont understand why would your grandfather travel so much to get away from the balkans.he should prob have an interesting story
Lol wut
"and as for kosovo, we don't talk about kosovo" lol
Kosovo is...
Don't say it!
...is... Balkan.
Kevin M Quebec je Kanada
you cant talk about things that dont exist, can you?
We also don't talk about Maced-I mean FYROM
Kevin M
Kosovo Je Mexico*
I just knew that commet section is going to be brutal, as soon as I read the video title. Greetings from Bosnia, and I don't hate anyone. Peace
Bosnia is Albanian
@@albanianorthodox1612 albania is italian
Elvis Marku Europe is Albanian. World is Albanian
@@peternakic5049 yes
Ja mrzim sve podjednako. ;)
Albanins aren't Slavs.
shqiptarja that thumbnail though...
how did they get on the Balkans then? Who built the Albanian state in the middle of slavic region?
thats why albanian sounds so slavic? cause they are slavs obviously. the albanians built the albanian state? who would build a state for people who they dont belong to except for England and it was a though job seeing that every neighbour wants a piece of you
Not saying they are, just asking the question. Well, then slavs needed to let Albanians build it, right? Like Tito in Yugoslavia period? He was the "Albanian godfather". Albanian language is another topic entirely. It doesent belong to any euro language branch. So, when did Albanians come to the Balkans? why? and who let them stay?
malter beton there are theories by universities that its an ancient one some lingustits are working on it in the university of austria you can check it and there are many offical theories no pseudo theories you can read in the internet if you cant find any i send you some links
Balkans is the world most craziest territory, but i'm happy for being a typical Balkanic dude. Westerners can only dream about such a great history, fanatism, spirit, fun and madness. :D
Slavs in the Balkans ARE westerners.
We romanians are pro west just like slovenians and croats we will die for the western world so fuck you!
StopFear We’re all white European caucasoids. Our shared evolutionary history is much more real than any subgroup divisions.
This whole “we’re totally not westerners guys, look how different we are” meme that Slavs pull is LARPy nonsense that quite blatantly signals a need to feel special and non-European. No group outside of Europe gives a shit about these supposed distinctions.
@@gauban986 Slovenia is a very good friend of Russia and the West,like Yugoslavia before.We need to be friends with everybody.
@@NichtNameee says caesar......hahhahhahaha
Balkans are not an anomaly in Europe. We are a firm part of Europe.
Yup, without us Europe wouldn't exist
right. look at Alsace for instance
Being an Anomaly and a firm part fo Europe is not a contradiction ;)
Firm part if Europe my ass, more like Western Europe's little brother.
@@BuRsTiNxMLB says the American lol you have no history besides being a sperg for the globalist elite.
Living abroad for almost 2 years now, many kilometers/miles away from Balkans, I noticed that we actually like each other outside in diaspora, and very often form friendships of mixed balkan nations like Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Bulgarians etc. The mentality of the people there is very similar, almost the same in the eyes of an, for example, American or Latin person.
slavic soul
@@pameti.dragoblago balkan soul!
Bosniaks?
@Armin I also added "etc", so there WE are. I'm saying WE because I am a Bosnian myself, and in the end I do not care, as nationality is in my honest opinion pure bullshit.
@Armin People will notice your honest absence of any nationalism, and ultimately they won't care where you come from either ;) at least it's my case.
all the best!
I am Bosnian, and I can assure you that what is mostly needed is economic development and RIGHTS. We are YUGOS most of all. We have too much in common. Propaganda and corruption has torn us apart. And there is barely any difference between the three dialects of ikavski, ijekavski and ekavski. Danish, Swedish, and Norwegiam differ way more than Serbo-Croatian/Bosnian, and the main difference is found between local dialects fx on the countryside and the "proper" languages spoken in the cities etc.. we dont need more help from the West. We need competent leaders and an end to our tribalism.
Actually, it's kind of sad that some people think we don't seem to get along. It is simply not true.
It is not just the West. Balkans are and have been for long time a playground for Russia, Turkey and the West.
frank van der they are just kept in check to make space for organised crime
Speak for yourself.
The best thing that I have read all night! Good job dude! Keep it up!
1:42 Completely false, Croats and Serbs communicate normally between eachother.
Believe me, even some Croats and Bosniaks will pretend the same, even though we are allies. BUT only a small percentage of people do this. Most of the people never even thought about pretending. But there are always some idiots that do pretend.
Very true
Nah I’ve made a joke with foreigners that I can’t understand Croats and Bosnians
Bulgaria does love Romania.
Both nations are very good mates and the best neighbours from the very beginning when only Bulgaria has existed in 681.
That's why Romanians use lots of Bulgarian words in their language and became the only Orthodox Christians from all the Latin nations!
They have been ruled very civilized by Bulgarians without any violence, so for that reason Romanians do respect the Bulgarians a lot and gave them a big support against the Ottomans in tough moments in their Great History!
Only once Romania has a knife in the back of Bulgaria, but sometimes the best friends make mistakes too.
Now everything is forgotten for good!
Long live Bulgaria and Romania...
FOREVER ORTHODOX BROTHERS!
🇧🇬💓🇷🇴
Indeed, Bulgaria had a great contribution to state and especially religious life at the north of the Danube. I don't think this is very much emphasized in our history classes. The Christian ideas came initially from Rome and the proof is that the main words we use are in Latin, but a bit later the Bulgarians offered a clear Orthodox structure to the religious life. Quite funny, even today when we receive alms at church, we have to say "Bogdaproste", though no Romanian knows what it means! :))) Also, until the middle of the 19th century, we used Cyrillic alphabet for writing our Latin words, imagine that! :) Finally, how can we avoid mentioning the Thracian-Dacian connection. After all, Thracia was located where is now Bulgaria and Dacians, our ancestors, were part of the Thracian family. And I also have to add the Second Bulgarian Empire, where the kings in Veliko Tarnovo ruled over both Bulgarians and Vlachs, as Romanians are called in the Middle Ages. Many connections between our countries. Ah yes, I almost forgot about the eternal fight against the Ottomans...:)
Respect from Romania. We both joined EU in the same year 2007.
This comment filled my heart with joy! Greetings from Bulgaria!🇧🇬🇷🇴
@OreX You alright there? Bulgaria allied woth serbia and greece throughout the first balkan war as they thought they will need their help. However, we still managed to fight all our battles alone and with little to no support from you. You even made it worse because you took over Bulgarian ethnic territories in the west and committed many atrocities. Those lands were taken from us after we got independence, and were still ethnically Bulgarian.We attack you for that reason, starting the second Balkan war.It was a 3:1 against Bulgaria yet we were still winning, pushing the Ottomans back as well as the serbs and greeks. However, Austria forced Romania to enter the war, and all they had to do was just march to our Capital. All our troops were on the south and west and there was no one to stop them. There are records of a sofian regiment **running** all the way from the front line to sofia to try and stop the romanian force. They ran a few 100 kilometers over a day or two and then ran straight into battle. Being outnumbered more than 10 to 1 however they were defeated.This is just one of the insane acts of bravery commited by our soldiers.The war ended, with serbia, greece and turkey taking even more of our territory. We were outraged so we joined the Germans in WW1. Bulgaria still has the record, for raising the highest army within the shortest amount of time compared to its population. 50% of men enlisted into the army. We faught well against Romania, Serbia, and Greece, pushing them back, yet stopping at the lands that were Bulgarian, not taking any ethnic Serbs Greeks or Romanians. Pur Cavalry destroyed the Russian one at Dobruja and pushed them back hundreds of kilometers. Even tho we faughtt greatly with spirit, Germany lost the war, meaning that we did too. All the success was now restored and you all took EVEN MORE of Bulgarias lands. The whole of Dobruja as mentioned in the video as well.Keep in mind, it was a 3-1 against us. Romania didn't fight on two fronts, Greece didn't either. If we weren't a strong people, we would have lost way earlier. However because we are, and are great warriors, the big nations keep giving away our land. Because they are afraid.
Nicely said, Boban!
Btw, Romanians and Bulgarians are the only people who wears the Martenitsa in March.
When NATO officials say "our Balkan allies" I die laughing. Come & feel the hustle!
You forgot about 🇦🇱🇽🇰
@@AutodidactEngineer ју донт каунт
@@miksi8364 фактс.
@@reloadium егзакли😂
@@AutodidactEngineer Kosovo jest Srbja
A young Croatian man tells his parents he's fallen in love. They say that's great. What's her name? He answers , his name Vuk. They start crying and tearing their hair. He says, c'mon! It's not that bad! I'm just gay. His Dad sobs, we don't care if you're gay, but why did you have to fall in love with a Serb!?
Croats are catholic serbs, deal with it(by that this means u just said ur dad is and u are gay)
Ban idiot serbia was part of croatia a long time ago
@@realone86_49 serbe and croats are same people, so idk what u mean by that. Only way they were separated where through religion
Ban well serbia, bosnia was all croatia
@@realone86_49 nah since there were created 2 nations bc of religion. Croats were ocupied by magyars and got catholic, serbs didnt.
All Slavs should love each other and not fight each other like the last centuries.
Much love to south slavs from Russia!
Pfff tell that to the west
very nice russian man! but Russian politics all the time interfere in Bolkan peole policy
The East Slavs don't appear to be getting along splendidly at the moment either... What, with the pending Church schism and... well... Krym.... Which is sad because some of the most soulful people you can meet are East Slavs...
easyer said then done
Hey man we don't hate you, we hate each other. Stole this from another comment. Kinda
Guys let's just sit back, relax and take a look at how rich our history is. Yes, we fought wars against others to defend our countries, hell we even fought with each other but let's not forget the good sides too. We have ancient history, ancient places, monasteries, language, unique culture, unique way of thinking. Instead of remembering the the dark past, let's turn to the bright future. May all the Serbian, Croatian, Bulgarian soldiers and civilians rest in peace and may those horrors of war never happen again. Let's build the world together and show the world we are not some banana states which are always mistaken for Russia. United we stand, divided we fall. Greetings to all of you from a fellow Serb . Btw, if someone comes to Belgrade hit me up so we can go on a beer 🍻🍻🍻We got lots of beer😜
That's really optimistic but it's going to take a long while for people to forgive let alone forget a war that happened only thirty years ago. Sadly despite us all getting our independence we aren't any better off.
U koji kafanu oces da odemo? I u kojoj opstini
no sympathy for Bosniaks? Albanians in kosovo? Listen im not even from the balknas but i must say that the serbs are maybe the worst people in europe. Things that you've done to civilians wont ever be forgotten or forgiven.
@@123haxman You see, that's the probem. Every side considers themselves as "saints". Are you really saints? Do you really want to make me believe that in the war where everyone was killing everybody, out of 4 (or more) factions only 1 was the evil and the rest were innocent? No. I mentioned the relation between two factions, Serbs and Croats, because they are the most nutorious for their hate towards each other. Blood was shed from all sides, but to mark Serbs as the reason of all evil, is wrong. Have I done any harm to you? No. Have you done any harm to me? No. So why would you consider me the evil one? My point is that this circle of evil needs to stop. Nobody gains anything from the hatred that's coming from the people, despair and saddnes is all it brings. If we, as nations, who have almost the same cultures, have lived beside one another for 1000s of years, can't live in peace and build the future for our children together, if all we know is war and who was killed by whom, then we as nations do not deserve to exist at all. If that's the case, I hope these nations disappear and save future generations from war. This goes to all Balkan nations.
@@filipperic2491 hajmo se mi koji ne želimo rat nastanit na nekom ostrvu i sačekat da se ovi nacionalisti međusobno poubijaju, pa da mi normalan narod nastavimo živjeti u miru.Ja nemam drugoga rješenja.
As someone from the Balkans, yes, we don't talk about Kosovo.
Edit: The replies to this comment are why we don't talk about Kosovo
@OreX ... and it always ends badly :D
@@laerti89 its serbian
@@МиланЈовановић-м3б Always come with buildings bruh
@@МиланЈовановић-м3б cry more😂
Милан Јовановић you guys builded also the infamous zastava but you can’t say they all belong to you. Just for the record all the buildings that you try to claim are built by Yugoslavia not Serbia . The only thing Serbia did was to destroy in 5-6 years the work and Alaienc build by Tito in 50 years.
Zdravo iz Slovenije, hello from Slovenia
Zdravo iz Srbije, hello from Serbia.
Здраво из Србије... Hello from Serbia
Ahoy! from Kul Tiras!
Actually, al of the Balkans are colonized by the German and Dutch campings
Здраво од македониа
As a Bulgarian i hate the other south slavs because Yugoslavia was the reason for the creation of the Macedonian nationality and language after WW2.
I am Croatian comming from the really liberal place and I do have handful of friends that are actually from Serbia and few do live here and they do never get strange looks or that they are looked at as outcasts. It is not nearly as hostile as presented in this video. There are some parts of ex-yu that are sadly less tolerant but most of people(especially young people/millenials) are quite chill with everything.
except when you get to the topic called "history".
as a Czech/Slovak, this is an interesting topic to discuss.
i have had nice discussions with Bulgarians on Slavic history (mostly the origin), with Russians, with Ukrainians, Slovenians, Poles, etc.
but whenever a Balkanian entered... we always started discussing bread and how bread can be eaten with milk.
cause having a Serbs or Croats idea of Slavic history.......... hell no. i'd rather fuck a squirrel in the ear and get raped by an owl in my nose.
@Da Dude - give them some time, mate. I'm Polish myself. I know that when Poles speak about history with Germans, Russians or Ukrainians, it may be difficult. Even though so much time has passed since the second world war, not to mention other stuff from the 17th century for example. I can imagine it must have been much worse around fifty years ago let's say, when the wounds were fresh. In 40s the word "German" was written with a lower case letter often. In the first edition of the memories of Szpilman, Polish-Jewish pianist who survived the war, the Wehrmacht officer who saved him was named "a good Austrian" - because it was unthinkable to call a German "good". Now it seems shocking.
And that's pretty much where they are, they've just had a war, a cruel one. My wife is Croatian. Her uncle married a lady from Serbia back in Yugoslavia. One of her friends (married with an American guy, by the way) is half Serbian. Another friend married a Serb three years ago, they have a little daughter now. I've never noticed any hostile reactions when this guy was around and spoke Serbian. Of course, there are freaks like Seselj in Serbia or some weirdos in Croatia, possibly many of them. When there are some anniversaries (Oluja, Vukovar) or some sport events (basketball or handball games, for instance) you can see that the Serbs aren't the most beloved people in Croatia. Yet, people get along somehow.
I heard Croats speaking openly and objectively about dark sides of their history, even relatively close history. I heard some (like my wife) even speaking with compassion about the Serbs, about Kosovo and NATO bombing in 1999. Do you know Luka Modrić perhaps? His father fought the Serbs, his grandfather was executed by them as a civilian. Novak Djoković? He remembers NATO bombings very well. And when they met in America a few months ago, they took such picture:
web.facebook.com/djokovic.official/posts/1808762852509891
All they need is some time.
Riiiiight CT what about the 60.000 Serbs/Gypsies Croats slain together with the Germans in 2nd WW
What about the 50.000 Serbians your government kicked over the border. Man the Croatian History is so filthy and dirty tfoe
I already regret writting this comment. It was about something positive that I see with my generation but it turned into something so negative...
@CT Movies, dont regret, you are right, but stupid people are everywhere not only on Balkan, and they are noisy. War was not started by Yugoslavs but by press and politicians (financed by subversive influence from foreign secret services) which just manipulated stupid people. And they still doing that, just watch TV on Serbia and Croatia and you will see the pattern. (DIVIDE ET IMPERA). Stupid people can't see that DIVIDE ET IMPERA pattern, they just hate someone against which are incited by TV.
I recommend everyone ti get some popcorn. This comment section will be brutal.
it's not that bad (i expected the same)
"Brutal" you expect a bit too much my friend. Better way to describe it is cringe
Turks of Anatolia? You mean the Turks who migrated to and conquered Anatolia? Anatolia is not where the came from.
He means turks that currently live in anatolia
Well, greek people also occupied anatolia. the original people of anatolia where hittians, urartu that were assimilated by invading greeks.
The native anatolians where assimilated by invading greeks after alexander the greats conquests. when turks arrived in anatolia, native anatolian didint exist anymore, they were assimilated by greeks.
No, you are lying what you are doing is biased greek propaganda. You hate turks for assimilating other people but so did the greeks. Infact greeks did it even worse, turks didint make people lose their langauge or ethnicity but after greek colonization all of the native anatolian people and langauge disappeared, Did greek, armenian, kurd, arab disappear under ottoman mongol turk rule? No. turks were more tolerant towards their neighbours than the greeks.
history of people is always killing, migration, assimilation. Its how the world is. You may hate turks for it but then you also need to hate greeks, european, english, french, spanish, romans, japanese, chinese. they all did the same.
It's clear that we are still top 3 countries in the Balkans with the best history..... Inject it.
9:01 - So this explains why, as a romanian, I feel proud when I see or hear pieces of slavic culture made by our brothers and sisters from inside and across our borders. Even if we speak different languages, we share the same blood :)
Romanians are a mix of dacians and romans. You guys don't have the same blood.
no we don't share blood slavs are slavs romanians are romanians.
It's so strange and interesting how we manage to upload so often about pretty similar content in the same time. I made a video about the collapse of Yugoslavia, and you made about the Balkan Slavs. Nice job btw ! :)
Knowledgia make a video about a minor -er subject like masaman that will make your channel entertaining
When i saw both videos in subscriptions i actually thought it might have been a collab.
That´s shamanic synchronicity!
Knowledgia Ha! That's really funny. I'll have to check out your video
Pretty sure it's because two days ago was the anniversary of Tito's death,it marked 38 years since his passing
I am from Bulgaria and i love you all Eastern Europe Nations
West?
Amateur :D
@@themeter233 yes
@@user-jd5gh3kg5t some yes, but not all. Too much meddling into others business... Some countries robbed the world because they ain't got shit in their own territory...
We Balkan Slavs are 20 million souls blinded by hatred thats rooted in ethno-religious division because of a 1000 years of war. A lot of people are tired of it, thats why during these past couple of years, people are migrating by the thousands to Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Norway and so on. Sad but true. It wasnt always like that.
Srbi u frankfurtu tebraaaa
Balkan culture is so beautiful and unique
Every now and then when we stop slaughtering each other, we're kinda nice.
Levis. H Oh
I see it as a love-hate relationship amongst us
We are united in hating the turks
It is, I just wish we could live in peace. Respect and be curious about each other's culture. But no, nationalist assholes and right wing extremists with race ideology and ignorant pride will never learn how to live in Peace!
I hope someday, Albania, Greece and the ex-Yugoslav states finally achieve peace and mutual respect. Send the ignorant to school and accept that no matter when we arrived in this region, no matter what language we speak, we are all human beings, and we should act accordingly.
Serbia: _I don`t understand croatian language!_
Croatia: _Yeah, they are quite different_
Bulgaria: _MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS BULGARIAN!_
Macedonia: _NO, BULGARIAN LANGUAGE IS MACEDONIAN!_
Bulgaria is better
Macedonian are Bulgarian
I'm yet to see a Serb who doesn't claim he understands Croatian.
One of the most interesting European regions ever
Ye.. and the most complicated
bad geo-strategic location
Et on aime les Réunionnais aussi , mais pas trop les métropolitain fr ... ☺️
Free Kosovo - Palestine is Serbia!
Brazil is Macedonian!
Bulgaria on 3 oceans!
banitsa head only black sea for you : )
Wtf
Bulgaria on 3 oceans!? Hahahah I like that
And yes, of course! Alexander the Great went to Brazil, we all know that... unfortunately he has nothing to do with the "Macedonians" of today xD
@Thracian I know that is why I Called him banitsa head.
@Thracianyou make no sense but good try
Ahh, History of Balkans, more fu5ctup then the Game of Thrones story...
yes, and we have Bulgarians too.
You forget the mention that the Bulgars cooperated with the slavs. They made an alliance ever since the Bulgars crosses the Danube that technically last till today since it was never broken.Given all the facts their assimilation into slavic culture wasn’t forced (like some Turks are saying) but actively encouraged by the rulers until the eventual unification of the groups during the 9th to form the modern Bulgarians nation.
Боян Михов
Well said!
Zlatan I was talking about the slavs that lived in Moesia, Kosovo and Vardar Macedonia who joined Bulgaria. There was of course the problem with the Serbs who preferred to be almost a puppet state of the Byzantines and attacked us whenever they were ,,suggested’’ to do so by their masters.
Yep. Also, do you think it's not true that in our genetic makeup the traces of the Bulgars are very little, as he said almost non-existent? Cause I think we look pretty different from your stereotipycal Slav and we look a lot like the Chuvash people. We're just very mixed and I think this is still visible today.
essennagerry Gnetic studies place Bulgarian DNA something like this : 20%~Slav 20%~Bulgar 40%~Thracian the rest ia a big mix of groups in the single percentage.
Z1LL4 JR
:O
Can you link me to those studies? Is there any explanation _why_ this is so?
I am from Bulgaria, and we have a dream, all Bolcan nations to be free, friendly and helpful for each other within the European family. We want peace and finally those fights around our neighbours to size, because life is short and we have to make the most of it, not die for empty causes an old drama. I would say that this is the mindset of the majority of the Bulgarians! We love you brothers, even we are not quite Slavic, we are still brothers!
You said a mouthful!
croatian migrants in Chile are completely accepted and have been integrated into the main culture without any trouble (during the world cup everyone I know was cheering for Croatia) There were 2 main regions that had the strongest croatian presence, one in the north of the country around the cities of antofagasta and iquique, and another one in southern patagonia, in both regions their presence is still felt, especially in patagonia, but nowadays many live in other parts of the country also. From the other former yugoslav republics there are extremely few people, (except from slovenians which entered the country as austrian citizens after WW1) in my school there were many east-european jews, germans, swiss, croatians and slovenians and today many chilean families have a little bit of everything, from palestinian to irish, from french to sirian, from italian to basque, etc. although of course the majority of the population, like everywhere in latinamerica, descends from the mixture of the 3 main elements: amerindian, iberian, and african.
in Peru there was immigration of Croats too
there are footballers, tv personajes and politics of Croatian heritage
one of them Sofia mulanovich the great champion surfer
Sofia was inducted into Surfing Hall of Fame in 2007 in USA due to her achievement in 2004 and 2005. In 2004, she became the first South American and Latin American (man or woman) to ever win the world title. Sofia’s list of credits to date is impressive, having won the Vans Triple Crown of Surfing, U.S. Open of Surfing and the Surfer
Well, the Balkan Slavs have been in the area for so long that a DNA test can barely point to our eastern acestors, we have become our own ethnic group with our own form of Slavic language. Our divisions on the other hand, both religious and cultural is what is holding us back unfortunately.
It's sad really if you think about it. And the saddest thing is we will never unite
Dino P last time I checked local DNA tends to be part Slavic and part native paleolithic. Our culture is predominantly Slavic but we are really not really that Slavic. And closer you get to Herzegovina more likely that appears to be the case.
Not purely Slavic but predominately, up to 90% if you come from central Balkans, this is why I wrote that we are our own ethnic group.
@Dino P Only according to your own history. We are not even so long in Balkan area unless 1500 years is long in your mind.
My mom's family is Serbian and when they had their DNA tested they had traces of Ukrainian, Siberian and Mongolian DNA
And as for kosovo.....we will not talk about kosovo 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank god u didnt talk about kosovo if you did we would have 3rd balkan war in the comments 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lmaoooo
The war will start with some damned thing in the balkans
We made facts in Kosovo.
@@xxxmmm3812 Otto
Kosova Is ALBANIAAAAAAAAA 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
It should be noted that, according to Norman Davies, the Bulgarians and Serbs (as well as the Danes and Portuguese) are among the few nations in Europe which began developing national identities during the Middle Ages (identities, not nation-states, of course). In the cases of Bulgaria and Serbia - largely thanks to our independent national churches, with the vernacular language serving also as the liturgical (and administrative) one. Of course, it's much more complicated than that, as there were quite a bit of other factors at play as well, but that only comes to show that the "Balkanization" phenomenon is deeper than it seems at first glance.
I think the greatest factor was the fact that Greeks tried to hellenise you. Through the orthodox church and their dominant position in the Byzantine empire. Greek cultural imperialism...
The rivalry with the medieval Greeks was, indeed (IMHO), one of the main factors. In order to develop an identity of your own, you have to distinguish between Us and Them. A long-term rivalry helps a lot with that and we have such a case at least with Bulgaria and Byzantium. But that alone is usually not good enough - England and France also had a relatively long-standing rivalry, but their national identities started developing later on. So it was a complicated mix of factors coming into play, which is, of course, not surprising for history.
Balkanization is quite a deep phenomenon, it is a political strategy designed to continuously fracture and control and has been applied to the area from many sides for centuries. These agents of balkanization have their permanent operations installed in each country. The inhabitants of the peninsula are for the most part the same people (mostly Slavs), genetically, culturally, linguistically...
Not to mention the fact that any empire that had control of the region also held the "Gates of Europe" in terms of the silk road, as they would experience grate economic wealth that farther fueled there growth. The best example of this is when the Ottoman turks took over and, do correct me on this if I am wrong, prevented Europians from having a RELATIVLY easy and inexpensive access to far east goods do to the islamic nation blocking the way, which subsequently lead to the age of exploration try and circumvent this islamic wall. And this is just ONE example of it. And again please do correct me on anything if I was wrong
@@stavrosasimakopoulos No,you can´t say that,they where succesfull they used the slavonic alphabet by Kiryll and Methodie,the whole Church rites where in Slavonic and not in greek but even so the resistance was futile against the Turks,the socalled greek Pope Patriarch in Tsarigrad was just a turkish puppet,powerless separated Orthodox church was a easy pray for the Green Flame.
Hungary is not part of the Balkans.
Yes they are they share a fence with everyone.
Xerxes
No they are not
Xerxes have you been to geography in school?
But being hungry ís....
Nucking Futs I agree
Crazy to see how many different cultures and empires have fought over the same mountains and plains over the past two thousand years. Great video! I must say, it was ballsy of you to make this given the comment section on every Balkan related video.
Hey A long as they don't allow another Muslim empire to run them I don't care what the Slavs do
But it's OK for others to run over them?
@@italiansoldierfromww2460 oh others tried *coughs, austro-hungary*, empires fell and we are still here :D
don't worry - we have germans and americans to run us now.
@@pameti.dragoblago Exactly.
Loved the video, but I've never heard nor experienced myself that either Croats or Serbs pretend to not understand eachother.
If hating you're neighbour's the Balkans would be the best at it.
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I hate my REAL neighbors let alone my everyone else. Also Turkey, bulgarians don't like Turkey, same goes for Greece
Great video. My family is Serbian but has lived in Croatia for hundreds of years. A large proportion of Serbs fled to and settled in modern-day Croatia following the Ottoman invasion of Europe and up until the more recent Civil war in in the former Yugoslavia in the early '90's, Croatia was home to a significant Serbian minority population (estimated at approx 11-12% prior to the Balkan civil war) . In addition to the Serbian minority, Croatia also had other ethnic minorities living on its territory including Czechs, Italians, Sovenes, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, and the Romany, it's rare that the ethnic diversity of Croatia is ever mentioned, so thank you for acknowledging that in your video. I also found your point about the predominance of the I2 haplogroup in the Balkans really interesting and your added point that the haplogroup is also common among Romanians, which are frequently presumed to be of non-Slavic origins.
Kinda related, but 1:40 about Croats and Serbs pretending to not be able to speak and understand each other is in my opinion very untrue - however, where this comes from probably is from Serbia/Croatia claiming Serbian and Crotian are separate languages when both can speak to understand each other with no issue.
7:00 - Croatia definitely dropped Cyrillic big time, however Cyrillic is not exclusively used in Bosnia, Montenegro, and Serbia - the Latin script is used as well, especially in Bosnia - probably seeing Cyrillic as a "Serbian" thing and trying to erase any "Serbian" things.
Firstly, there are no Eastern Roman historians attributing the ease of Slavic settlement to Justinian's plague - which was spread all over Europe (despite its popular name and the worst scenario occurring in densely populated Constantinople) and almost certainly affected Slavs. Further on, based on all archaeological findings of both the Antes and the Sclavenes, we know for a fact that equipment was standardized in the sense that every excavated grave of a Slavic warrior features chainmail and sword (fashioned in East Roman style), an ax, round wooden shield, and a long spear. Some Slavic warriors were wearing belts with buckles adorned with Avar motifs, but they were most likely spoils of war or items of trade. The only group of Slavs that have fought without armor was warbands of young warriors who've fought entirely naked (barring the red paint on their body, hair, and face) and in melee (the ones that were described as being red-haired by Procopius), and some groups of Pannonian Wends who were tributaries of the Pannonian Avars, and relying on ambushes was a part of defensive strategies, and only against hosts that were too numerous and too well-armed, like the joint Avar-Roman host that assailed Sclavene territories after Daurentius slew Bayan's envoys and refused to pay tribute to him. Aside from that, both the Antes and the Sclavenes have utilized large breeds of horses for warfare, and matter of fact, an entire host of Antean and Sclavene horsemen was dispatched to evacuate Belisarius from Italy, which proves the aforementioned.
Secondly, the Avars have only managed to subjugate the more passive parts of the Dudlebes, as well as parts of the Wends - certainly not the Antes and the Sclavenes, who were noted to have lived only under the reign of their own kings like Muzok and Mezamir (Antes) and chieftains like Radagast and Daurentius, of whom the latter was described as being the supreme chief of all Sclavenes. Procopius' early assessment of Slavic social structure was just that - an early assessment based off of early sightings of Slavic warbands that were initially considered to have been "small tribes governed by "military democracy". As interaction with Slavs intensified, he realized that the Slavs did exhibit an organized social structure, albeit admittedly, the Antes were the most centralized body of the Early Slavs, with a hereditary monarchy where one king reigned over all of the Antes, while among the Sclavenes, you've had one known supreme chieftain like the aforementioned Daurentius to whom other chieftains were subordinate, there was also a mention of Sclavene kings, like Perbundos, who led a coalition of Sclavene tribes deep into Greece. Likewise, the Avars were first invited to make a move against the Slavs by the Roman emperor Tiberius, and later on, Emperor Heraclius would invite Serbs and Croats from the distant Slavic northwest to liberate the northern provinces of the Avars and have them settle all those provinces as his vassals which he'd ennoble, which refutes any theory of the Sclavenes and Antes arriving to Southeastern Europe off of the back of the Avars. After all, the earliest Slavic raids deep into the Roman territory were accompanied by the enslavement of an estimated quarter of a million Romans in every province struck by the Slavs and the sacking and besieging of Roman cities, which were recorded as early as the first part of the 6th century - decades before the Avars were contacted by Emperor Tiberius, and before they reached the most distant part of the basin of the Danube. On top of that, the invading Sclavenes have also slain Asbadus/Asbados - the famed Roman/Gepid general, and have also annihilated his elite army, a feat which would've been impossible if the Slavs "only fought from afar", or worse, if they've "made no use of pitched organized warfare". The usage of poison arrows and guerrilla warfare was deployed only in defensive wars against a martially superior enemy - like against the combined Roman-Avar army during Maurice's campaign which was launched deep into Sclavene territories north of the Danube.
In the work of Menander Protector, we find the following excerpt: "This movement of Avars against the Slavs did not only result from Emperor's envoys and the wish of Bayan to return the courtesy unto Romans for all the gestures of friendship and help that he had received from the Emperor but also because he held great hate for them (the Slavs) out of personal sentiment as well. The Avar leader has, therefore, sent envoys to Daurentius (Δαυρίτας) himself, and to his chieftains, calling on for their submission and enlistment among tribute-payers. Dauritas and the leaders alongside him replied: "Who is, then, the man which basks in sunlight that threatens to conquer our strength? We are used to ruling over others, not to being ruled over - of that, we are certain for as long as wars are waged and swords are forged". Since the Slavs acted so haughtily, the Avars were no different in boasting. Then the scolds and insults resulted from that, being that the barbarians are of a narrow and proud mind, and the fight broke out. The Slavs, unable to control their anger, killed the envoys, as Bayan found out from another source. Because of that Bayan has long since raised accusations against the Slavs, fueling a secret hatred against them, mad for they refused him, and angry that from them he received an unforgivable insult, in the same time he thought he would do a favor to Caesar and likewise *find a rich land to plunder, for far too long has the land of Romans been plundered by Slavs, and theirs (Slavic) - never by any of other peoples*."
Thirdly, the Early Slavs seized and inhabited a massive territory that spanned from the east of Germany to the Baltic and the very distant fringes of Eastern Europe. Matter of fact, the bulk of the Sclavenes have lived on the northern shores of the Danube and were bribed by Roman authorities into maintaining that status quo, at least temporarily. Also, Slavs weren't "monotheistic", they were henotheistic. Even though Perun was their chief god, they also recognized the existence of other gods as well, hence why the Sclavenes and the Antes worshipped Perun and Veles - which also reflected their lifestyles, which were very warlike and militarized and subsided on animal husbandry, fishing, hunting, gathering and the practice of a form of agriculture that required the burning of the soil, so they weren't nomadic, but certainly not entirely sedentary either. It's also important to note that Procopius also states that the Sclavenes and the Antes shared the same customs, beliefs, and institutions. The same goes for the Wends, which is also supported by the homogeneity of early Slavic aDNA, YDNA, and language, although material culture was far more varied (depending on which culture they defeated and assimilated).
Fourthly, the role of the Avars in all of this is overemphasized, and for the following reasons:
a) As mentioned before, they were invited by the Romans to defeat and subdue unruly peoples on the Danube, like the Antes (who were Roman allies from time to time as well), and during the next century or so will be the foremost "allies" of the Romans against the Slavs, up until Heraclius invites the Serbs and Croats (Sclavene tribes) to defeat and annihilate them south of the Danube.
b) While it's true that the Avar hosts were initially the largest, they were in time overshadowed by the Sclavene hosts, which have, after realizing that the Roman authority on the Danube is no more, begun launching massive invasions that were also preludes to the permanent settling of the lands they've seized and initiated the assimilation of the peoples they've defeated and temporarily subjugated.
c) Western historians tend to make the mistake of not distinguishing the Slavs, even though primary sources from that era have noted that the Early Slavs were divided into three groups: the Wends, the Sclavenes, and the Antes, which brings us to the point of the "100 000 Slavs" that were part of the Avar host - most of them were Pannonian Wend tributaries of the Avars, while the rest were Sclavene allies who, thanks to their arrangement with the Avars, were exempt from abiding by Avar-Roman peace treaties, and would continue raiding and marauding as they pleased, which brought great displeasure to Bayan senior and junior, and the Roman emperors as well.
d) Slavs would've invaded and permanently settled the lands south of the Danube one way or the other, the involvement of the Avars has only somewhat hastened of process, and by subsequently making sure that the Sclavene tribes would form the overwhelming bulk of those who'd settle and seize the territories in question by waging exhaustive wars with the Antes. At most, the Avars were a strictly Pannonian phenomenon and were never masters of the "Balkans", which is also supported by archaeology and modern genetic studies, and given that you're made a mention of primary Roman/Greek sources, you should also know that there's not a single one of them that claims that the Slavs were migrating with the Avars, but that they were invading Southeastern Europe at the same time. You could potentially make that point for the aforementioned Pannonian Wends, but not for the bulk of the invading Slavs - who were Sclavenes and Antes.
e) Sclavenes have besieged Thessalonica five times (in 586 or 597, 604, 615, 617, and 676), and only in two of those sieges were the Slavs assisted by the Avars.
Procopius, Book V, XXVII, 134:
"(...) This exploit, then, was accomplished by the Goths on the third day after they were repulsed by the assault on the wall. But twenty days after the city and harbor of Portus were captured, Martinus and Valerian arrived, bringing with them sixteen hundred horsemen, the most of whom were Huns and Sclaveni and Antae, who are settled above the Ister River not far from its banks. (...)"
Procopius about Slavic invaders capturing and enslaving a lot of Romans:
Procopius, Book VII, XIII - describing events in the year 545 AD:
"(...) For a great throng of the barbarians, the Sclaveni, had, as it happened, recently crossed the Ister, plundering the adjoining country and enslaving a very great number of Romans. (...)"
Procopius of Caesarea:
"(...) In Illyria and Thracia, from the Ionian Gulf to Byzantine surrounding cities, where Hellas and Chersonese regions are situated, (...) the Sclavenes and the Antes, penetrating practically every year since Justinian administering the Roman Empire, were inflicting irreversible damage to their inhabitants. In each invasion, I estimate 200,000 Romans were either taken as prisoners or killed (...)"
Procopius about Roman attempts to stop the Slavic invasion:
"(...) the Empire wasn't able to find just one only man just as brave to undertake this task."
Pope Gregory I in a letter to the Exarch of Italy from the year 599:
"(...) It deeply afflicts and disquiets me the Slavic nation that menace us. It afflicts me from what I already suffer from you, it disquiets me because they have already started to penetrate into the Italic peninsula through Istria. (...)"
And according to Priscus, 610 Slavic tribes flooded into Greece.
Procopius of Caesarea:
"(...) Nay further, they [the Slavs] do not differ at all from one another in appearance. For they are all exceptionally tall and stalwart men, while their bodies and hair are neither very fair nor blond nor indeed do they incline entirely to the dark type (...)".
Procopius of Caesarea:
"(...) In more or less the same time [549 - 550] a Slavic army (...) gathered itself together and after crossing without encountering any resistance from anyone the river Ister [Danube], and later with similar ease the river Heuros, it divided itself for two parts. (...) Commanders of Roman garrisons in Illyria and Thrace fought against both those parts and even though they had already separated from each other, the Romans suffered - contrary to their expectations - a defeat and some of them fell dead on the spot, while others found salvation in escaping. (...) After all, garrisons had suffered such defeats at the hands of either one or the other of the barbarian armies, one of the enemy bands fought against the troops of Asbadus. He was a member of Emperor Justinian's personal guard (...) and he led a numerous and elite force of cavalry, which had been garrisoned for a long time inside the Thracian stronghold of Tdzurulon. But also, they were forced to retreat by the Slavs and most of them, shamefully escaping, got slaughtered, while Asbadus himself was captured and temporarily left alive, but soon after that the Slavs skinned him alive and threw him into a burning campfire. After that, the Slavs were plundering all neighboring Thracian and Illyrian lands without any obstacles and both of their two units captured many strongholds. (...) And those who had defeated Asbadus, later plundered, in turn, everything up to the sea coast and captured in an assault the coastal city of Toperus (...) And they slaughtered 25,000 men, plundered everything, and enslaved all the children and all the women. (...)"
John of Ephesus:
"(...) In the third year after the death of Emperor Justin, during the reign of victorious Tiberius, the damned nation of the Slavs has risen, and marched through entire Hellas, through lands of Thessaly and Thrace, captured many cities and strongholds, plundered, burned, and robbed, seized the land and settled there with full ease, without fear, like in their own land. (...) they were plundering the country, burning it, and robbing, as far as the Great Walls [of Constantinople], and this is how they captured many thousands of cattle, as well as many other kinds of booty. (...) Until today, that is until year 584, they still continue to live in peace in the lands of the Rhomaioi, without fear and concern, plundering, murdering and burning, getting rich and highjacking gold and silver, capturing horses and plenty of weapons; and they have learned to fight better than the Rhomaioi. (...)"
Menander Protector:
"(...) About the fourth year of the reign of Caesar Tiberius Constantine, some hundred thousand Slavs broke into Thrace and pillaged that and many other regions. As Greece was being laid waste by the Slavs, with trouble liable to flare up anywhere, and as Tiberius had at his disposal by no means sufficient forces, he sent a delegation to the Khagan of the Avars. (...)"
Strategikon of Maurice:
"(...) They do not keep prisoners in perpetual slavery-like other peoples, but they demarcate for them a limited period of time, after which they give them a choice: they can return home after purchasing their freedom or stay among them as free people and friends. (...)"
“Strategikon of Maurice:
"...being freedom-loving, they are in no way inclined to become slaves or to obey, especially in their own land." (Strategikon of Maurice, ed. prep. V. V. Kuchma. SPb., 2004, p. 189)”
Jordanes:
"(...) These people, as we started to say at the beginning of our account or catalog of nations, though off-shoots from one stock, have now three names, that is, Venedi, Antes, and Sclaveni. (...) they now rage in war far and wide, in punishment for our sins (...) Though their names are now dispersed amid various clans and places, they are chiefly called Sclaveni and Antes. (...)"
Procopius of Caesarea:
"(...) Belisarius was eager to capture alive one of the men of note among the enemy, in order that he might learn what the reason might be why the barbarians were holding out in their desperate situation. And Valerian promised readily to perform such a service for him. For there were some men in his command, he said, from the nation of the Sclaveni, who are accustomed to concealing themselves behind a small rock or any bush which may happen to be near and pounce upon an enemy. In fact, they are constantly practicing this in their native haunts along the river Ister, both on the Romans and on the barbarians as well. (...)"
Abraham ben Jacob (a 10th-century Sephardic Jewish traveler from Muslim Spain):
"(...) Slavic countries extend from the Mediterranean Sea to the Northern Ocean. (...) Generally speaking, Slavs are warlike and violent, and if not for their internal discord and lack of unity, no other nation would be able to match them in strength. (...)"
And about the arrival of the Croats and Serbs (but it was much later - not during the 500’s, but during the 600’s):
Constantine Porphyrogennetos, "De Administrando Imperio":
"(...) their ancestors were Pagan Croats and Serbs, known also as White [Croats and Serbs]. Great Croatia, called also White [Croatia], until today is still Pagan, just like neighboring [Lusatian / West Slavic] Serbs [Sorbs] (...)"
And another excerpt - "De Administrando Imperio":
"(...) Therefore everyone, who would like to do research about Dalmatia, can read herein about the way how the Slavic peoples took it. The Croats with their families came to Dalmatia and found the Avars in possession of that land. After fighting against each other for some time, the Croats defeated the Avars, partially murdered them, and partially forced them to submissiveness. Since that moment the country was seized by the Croats. (...)"
“Daurentius is the first Slavic chieftain to be recorded by name, by the Byzantine historian Menander Protector, who reported that the Avar khagan Bayan I sent an embassy, asking Daurentius and his Slavs to accept Avar suzerainty and pay tribute because the Avars knew that the Slavs had amassed great wealth after repeatedly plundering the Byzantine Balkan provinces. Daurentius reportedly retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs [...] so it shall always be for us.”
Daurentius (to the Avar envoy): "Who is, then, the man who basks in sunlight that threatens to conquer our strength? We are used to ruling over others, not to being ruled over - of that, we are certain for as long as wars are waged and swords are forged".
I've extracted the most relevant quotes from the primary sources and DAI, hope it helps.
Modern Western interpretations of medieval sources would indicate the Slavic area as being the main reservoir of slaves in the whole period of the Early Middle Ages, beginning probably in the 6th century, and with a peak around the 10th. This preference for slaves of Slavic origin - so strong as to make Slavs the slaves by antonomasia - has been easily explained: in that period Slavic people were the only ones who were still pagan, and this detail is most important as it explains why, by choosing them, early medieval slave traders - mostly Venetian, Genoese and Jewish - did not violate the new principles of the “Societas Christiana”, introduced by Pope Gregory the Great at the end of the 6th century, according to which baptized people must be excluded from slavery. What should be noted is that aside from this being a mere theory, it is also historically and etymologically inaccurate, and unconvincing. After all, the Medieval Latin words for “Slav” and “Slave” are not etymologically related. The Medieval Latin word for “slave”, and with it, its root as well, predates the first sightings and contact of mainland European civilization with the Slavs. The evolution of the name of Slavs "Sloveni/ Slaveni" comes from PIE *klew (to hear) evolving into proto-Slavic *slovo/ *slava (word/ fame), finally evolving into Sloveni/ Slaveni (those glorious/ those who understand each other). Meanwhile, the English word for "slave" comes from the Latin word "clavis/ clavus" (a key/ nail), which bore the Latin word "inclavare" (to lock in), ultimately giving rise to the word "sclavus" (slave - "a locked one"), which most likely entered the English language, along with a major portion of Romance words, with the Norman invasion. In 1881, a proper etymology was expressed, according to which the Greek word Σκλάβινοι does not stem from the self-name of the Slavs, but from the Greek verb σκυλεύο - "to extract spoils of war", and resonates in the manner in which Slavs and other ethnicities were enslaved - as prisoners of war. The aforementioned etymologies are free of politicization, are accurate, and are firmly rooted in history and linguistics. Based on this, the self-name of the Slavs and their Modern Helleno-Latin name coincided phonetically purely accidentally (F. Kluge, Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache 1881/1989/2002), and the thesis where the modern word for “Slave” is not rooted in the self-name of the Slavs, and is refuted.” (Gerhard Kobler - Deutsches Etymologisches Wörterbuch 1995, Korth Georg - Zur Etymologie des Wortes 'Slavus' (Sklave) 1970, and Daniel Scholten - Deutsch für Dichter und Denker: Unsere Muttersprache in neuem Licht, 2020). The aforementioned theory and etymology are furthered by Korth Georg, Friedrich Kluge, Gerhard Kobler, and Daniel Scholten (and Grimm’s German Dictionary).
Further on, the cognate with Sloveni/Slaveni is the word Sclavinii/ Slabini, a Latin that denotes Slavic ethnic groups. From a purely historical perspective, Greece and Gaul were Rome’s main reservoir of slaves for centuries, while the Irish were the main reservoir of slaves for their Normano-English oppressors for more than half a millennium, and before them, to Norsemen as well. Dublin was the largest slave market in Western Europe. Its main sources of supply were the Irish hinterland, Wales and Scotland, while in the Far and the Middle East, the Turkmen tribes would supply the largest portion of Eurasia with innumerable slaves for nearly a millennium. Aside from that, just during the earliest stage of the Slavic invasion of Roman territory south of the Danube (6th century), a fifth of a million Roman citizens (Procopius) were enslaved by the Sclavenes (early South Slavs) in just one Roman province, and just during a single raid, the number of their slaves kept growing as more and more provinces and their capitals fell to the aforementioned Slavs. In reality, the majority of slaves in the 6th and 7th centuries were the Christian Romans, not their Slavic captors. Granted the Slavs didn't enslave their enemies permanently, but they've enslaved them nonetheless, and in numbers that are substantially greater than the number of Slavs who were enslaved by non-Slavs during the entirety of the middle ages, and it renders the aforementioned non-Slavs as being more fitting to have their ethnonyms made “synonymous” with slavery
The Western terminology for "slave", to a certain extent, is similar in form to the self-designation of the Slavs ("Sloven", "Slavjan" etc.) Their existence served as the basis for numerous anti-Slavic statements, theories, and consecutive waves of propaganda, which have sometimes acquired the scope of genuine mythologies. Moreover, these ideas were even given an academic platform. As it happened more than once, when “not entirely” adequate premises gained an academic platform and were entrenched there since. The premise of "Slavs" is the root of words for "slaves" found a permanent foothold in Western Academia, giving rise to a series of pseudoscientific, inform, but questionable, in essence, representations and statements. The essence of these premises is that these words are related to the ethnonym of the Slavs, allegedly, "due to the fact that in the Early Middle Ages, the Slavs became objects of the slave trade, which led to the use of their ethnonym as a designation for slaves." Sometimes, it was even argued that Western Europeans, whose languages contain these words, directly, massively, and regularly turned the Slavs into slaves, and in general, other far-reaching conclusions were made, such as that the "Slavs are slaves" and the Western Europeans are "their masters."
Moreover, in the 18-19th century in Western European journalism, the idea was persistently exaggerated that even the word "Slav" itself comes from the Latin or Greek word for "slave". This was the “think tank” of an 18th-century French historian and publicist. Polemics regarding this myth and premise are found even in Dostoevsky’s "Diary of a Writer". As for the idea of the origin of the word "Slav" coming from the word for slaves - at the present time, it is not considered scientific and has long been recognized as erroneous, or even deliberately Slavophobic. The birthplace of this terminology is the ERE. In the Early Middle Ages, in the so-called Medieval Greek, the word "σκλάβος" (read as "sklavos" - "slave") appeared. Further - from the ERE and Medieval Greek, this word found its way to Medieval Latin (and from there to Medieval French) - the official, as well as international legal, political, commercial, and scientific language of Western Europe. Moreover, in different languages, it appears in different timelines. In accordance with Webster's Dictionary, the word appears in English only in the 14th century, while Webster gives an etymological origin of the basis of the premise of this stream of Slavic slaves dating back to the 10th century, specifically during the reign of Henry the Fowler and Otto I, therefore moot and chronologically off by several centuries. Thus, the direct appearance of these words in Western European languages, for reasons allegedly of the abundant trade in Slavic slaves, is excluded. Since the word has a clearly traceable and understandable history. And it did not arise in the West, but in ERE.
The word for “slave” in Medieval Greek derives from the Greek verb skyleúo - meaning “to get spoils of war”, the first-person singular of which looks like skyláo. This etymology is established thanks to the following sources: F. Kluge, Etymologisches Wörterbuch der Deutschen Sprache. 1881/1989/2002, siehe Sklave: “... zu gr. skyleuein, skylan, V. zu gr. Skylon ", Gerhard Köbler, Deutsches Etymologisches Wörterbuch, 1995, Sektion "Slaven" and Daniel Scholten, Deutsch für Dichter und Denker: Unsere Muttersprache in neuem Licht, Sklave und Slawe “. Thus, it is proven that the Greek word "sklav", "slave" - comes from the abovementioned Med. Greek word, the original meaning of which was "seized in war".This etymology, and Georg Korth’s "Zur Etymologie des Wortes 'Slavus' (Sklave)" refutes the premise that the Med. Greek and modern Western word for “slave” derived from the self-name of the Slavs. This etymology is furthered by Korth Georg, Friedrich Kluge, Gerhard Kobler, and Daniel Scholten (and Grimm’s German Dictionary). Furthermore, it turns out that the "Slavs" and all these numerous Western European "sklavas" are only homonyms. There are innumerable examples of such consonant coincidences (both within the same languages, and between words from different languages). This is a fairly common occurrence, especially among Indo-European languages. Thus, in the ERE, a new word was found and associated with the verb that means "to seize trophies of war", which was from then on used to denote slaves. At the same time, the previous word for slave, which previously meant slaves, was repurposed to denote indentured serfs attached to the land they’ve toiled.
In terms of material culture, we have substantial information on the following:
Slavic material cultures are divided into the following groups, Early Slavic (group a), partially Slavic (group b), and Proto-Slavic (group c) archaeological cultures:
a) Penkovka culture, Prague-Korchak culture, Sukow-Dziedzice culture, Feldberg culture, Slavic Tornow culture, Mogilla culture, Volyntsevo culture, Kiev culture, Ipotesti-Candesti culture.
b) Chernyakov culture, Long Barrow Culture.
c) Zarubintsy culture, Przeworsk culture.
Further on, the Franks, Avars, and Magyars have only influenced the military and administrative history of the Pannonian Wends, and they're the ancestors of the Slavs of Balaton, Nitra, Great Moravia, and Slovakia, and they've never formed the bulk of the Early Slavs, but merely a portion of the Wends (the Early West Slavs). To interpret the history of the rest of the Slavs through their particularity is rather tendentious, and even ignorant of the full extent of the history of the Early Medieval Slavs, whether they're West, East, or South Slavic. Matter of fact, the bulk of the Early Slavs was made of the Sclavenes and the Antes, and the overwhelming majority of primary sources from that era were based on peaceful and hostile interaction with them. Further on, the military and administrative history of the Antes and the Sclavenes was strictly a mixture of Slavic traditions and East Roman/Greek influences, which was reflected in the First Bulgarian Empire as well, where Slavic and Bulgar tribal and administrative traditions were integral parts of the state, yet the latter would be entirely ousted by the Slavo-Roman model as early as during the reign of Boris I. In terms of sheer aDNA, Yugoslavs still score predominately in Early Slavic ancestry (ranging from 55-70% on an average), the reason why they're more southern-shifted is not that they're "Greek farmers", but because they've assimilated populations that were overwhelming of Neolithic autosomal ancestry, thus them clustering not as close to modern Western and Eastern Slavs, who've historically mixed with peoples who were of a similar genetic composition as the Medieval Western and Eastern Slavs.
Those who attribute the success of the Slavic invasion and colonization of Roman territories to the Avars omit the following:
a) Serbs didn't invade in the 6th, but in the mid-7th century, and in toe with the Croats, and were tasked with exterminating all Avars south of the Danube and ruling all the provinces they’d liberate at the request of emperor Heraclius.
b) The Slavs who've invaded, conquered, and colonized Southeastern Europe were the Sclavenes and Antes, not the “Avaroslavs”, who were noted to have been Pannonian Wends, and were, aside from the Greeks/Romans themselves, also distinguished from other Slavs on that very basis by Fredegar, and were mentioned only twice in all primary Greek sources, during the Siege of Constantinople in 626, and during one of the many Slavic sieges of Thessaloniki, where Saint Demetrius states they arrived to assist the already present Sclavenes who've besieged the city, lured by promises of the city’s wealth.
c) By the time the Avars arrived at the Danubian basin at the invitation of emperor Tiberius, who had invited them for the sole purpose of waging war against the Sclavenes, Antes, and Kutrigurs, the Slavs were already invading and raiding Southeastern Europe for roughly forty years, and as deep as Southern Peloponnesus, Crete and the outer walls of Constantinople.
d) All primary sources, like Jordanes, Procopius, Saint Demetrius, John of Ephesus, Theophylact of Simocatta, and Menander Protector state that the Sclavenes and the Antes were under the rule of their rulers like Mezamir, Muzhok, Dervan/Daurentius, and Radogost, and weren't subdued by the Avars, and distinguish them from the aforementioned Avaroslavs (Pannonian Wends).
e) Attributing the success of the Slavic invasion and colonization of Southeastern Europe to the Avars is, aside from being contradictory to all primary Roman/Greek sources, since the very purpose of the invitation of the Avars was to wage war against the Slavs and the Kutrigurs, which is exemplified in the joint Avar-Roman invasion of Daurentius' realm, also a textbook example of 19th and 20th-centuries German, Italian, Greek, Hungarian and Austrian anti-Slavism designed to undermine the legitimacy of Slavic history, the geopolitical realities of Slavic territories, and to portray Slavs as a subsidiary mass of naturally subordinate peoples.
Sources: Jordanes, Procopius, Saint Demetrius, John of Ephesus, Theophylact of Simocatta, and Menander Protector, De Administrando Imperio, Sima Cirkovic, Dimitry Obolensky, Tibor Zivkovic, and Frederick Hamilton Jackson.
Nice job! Suggestions for future topics:
1. The peoples of Sardinia, Corsica, and the Balearic Islands ("Who were the Sea People's?") would fit with this as well.
2. Carpatho-Rusyns Explained
3. What if the Kalmar Union Reunited today?
4. Nepal, Bhutan, Northern India/Myannmar
5. Jewish history in China and India
6. What does the word "Mechtoid" mean, and some Late Neolithic cultural complexes explained?
Hope that helps!
I don’t care about your ethnicity, to all my Balkan brothers; I love you all and wish you well!
Sending a peaceful message with a picture of a terrorist.
PFFT my man pretending like a harmless photoshop of a great war figure is a sin upon sins, ignoring all the awfull shit that already exists online
if i you find that profile offensive i would like to see your reaction to Scorpo's shitposts. That guy literary animated tito bonking stalin with a bat.
stay safe brother
True story:
I'm Croatian and at college we had to watch documentary that was synchronized in serbian and we insisted to watch it in original english. To be fair the audio of serbian version was bad.
Yes bro... I am Serb and I do not understand even a word of croatian too
what are you saying croatian and serbian are like the same language...get real ...regards from slovenia ja razumem hrvatski i srbski a niko ne razumije slovenski
Kur une e flas gjuhen ilire ju sllavt e karit nuk e kuptoni
@@goranboromisab7767 oh please, i'm (half) serbian: i go to my family in serbija and i don't understand a single word (i do need to add, my family is from babusnica/pirot region. i'm sure those 'in the know' will understand what i'm talking about).
my dad was even more funny after returning from his 2 weeks in srbija + 2 weeks in slovenija holiday. i could not stop laughing for days.
As a Greek American growing up in Chicago, some of my best friends that I've had all my life come from every country in the Balkans...LITERALLY! We drink together, eat together, play music together, laugh together, hit on the same girls together, etc! The VAST majority of us get along without any issues! I'm both grateful and blessed to have them in my close circle of friends, and am DAMN proud to call them my BROTHERS! Our similarities FAR outweigh all the other bullshit! Southern Slavs have FAR more in common with a Greek American like myself, than they do with any Eastern Slav...period! 👍
ahahaha You are not Greek. The Greek Americans are generally related to Italian Americans not to the South Slavs..........
@@berisha6529
As well as Albanians. My Goddaughter is Albanian. I love EVERYONE from the Balkans! As long as they're good people! And I LOVE my Albanian brothers as much as I love my Slavic brothers! Greeks and Albanians are almost IDENTICAL genetically! I would invite you and ur family into my home and break bread NO PROBLEM! 👍
@@berisha6529
Greeks, Albanians, Southern Slavs, Western Turks, and Southern Italians are genetically almost IDENTICAL! FUCK religion! We are BROTHERS! 👍😛✌👌
@@berisha6529yes you are right Greeks , Spainish and Italians were more likely to be friends in usa because of south European vibes
Its actually not that complicated. Serbs and Croats are two closely related Slavic peoples who migrated together to Balkans, and also lived together, next to each other in original homelands. They speak same language, have same mentality etc. But in new land they got under influence and rule of different great powers. One under influence of Rome, Latin culture, Catholicism, Hungary, Austria etc., and other under influence of Greek culture, Byzantine empire, Orthodoxy. Later on turkish conquest came and orthodox ones were under turkish rule, adding new factor, slavs who took islam. They also speak same language and originate from Serbs and in lesser extent Croats, also same mentality etc, but are muslim now. With raise of European national state those started clashing in Balkans more in 19th and 20th century and inciting conflicts here using 'their' South Slavs. Germany, Vatican, Italy, Russia, England, they all did that in their fight for supremacy in Europe. These conflicts in Balcan were brutal and often with atrocities and led to a cycle of hate and revenge that was not originally there (still up to middle 19th century there has been no significant conflict or difference between Serbs and Croats, and they even cooperated in 1848 cryses and such). So it is foreign powers, including churches who put the division here, and cycle of revenge and raising local nationalism that fed it.
selena doo Nicely explained, bravo!
Slovenes also are in this group..
Yes Slovenians are also a tribe of south slavs who arrivied at similar time, bit more north of croats and serbs. There were more south slavic tribes, seven tribes in Bulgaria for example, but also many tribes now disappeared and assimilated who settled all the area of Greece down to Peloponesos. All these tribes are connected with language and origins.
well their land got invaded by a foreigner for centuries, of course they are pissed off
exactly firtsy problem started from vatican which was trying to force its own agenda and slavs in balkans wanted to folow their own versions of christianity thus when turks came many easily and happily switched to Islam without force; also under Tursk orthodox christianity was given more rights and freedom while vatican was able to subdue roatian catholics who at one point had some orhtodox christianity members within also
Please make a second part of the video which includes more information about the influence of ancient peoples on the Balkans like Thracians Dacians, Greeks, Illyrians, because their genetic imprint on the Blakans was huge. The influence of Indians, Iranians, Armenians, Tatars and many others must also be mentioned. The Celts and the Germans were also there, but they didn't leave a particularly prominet trace.
+Yana Dre Average Serbian autosomal result at K12b dodecad calculator dnk.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/K12b-admixture-gotovo.jpg
Dacians were Carpathian, not Balkan. Only a small part of the Getae extended there.
are you Serbian ?
Greek , Albanians and Kosovo and even Bulgaria is direct decendants of proto balkanic people that enter Balkan 8 thousand years ago they carry Y-DNA haplo group E1b1b/E-V13. Around bronze age 3-2 thousand BC, humanity started to haved advance civilization, languages emerged and culture. The proto balkanic people in the South the Mycenaean, Minoan (Greeks) and the proto balkanic in the north Ilyrian (Albanians) the Proto balkanic people in north east Thracian (Bulgarian). While the minoan, Mycenaean civilization is the first in Balkan to have advanced civilization, they adopted and upgraded the Phoenicians alphabet from Phoenicians (ancient Lebanese)
. The Mycenaean later call it as the Greek/Hellenic alphabet. Making Greeks the first civilized Proto balkanic people.
How about the J2 haplo group to Balkan people?
The J2 is haplo group of Western Asian sphere especially Armenian, and native Anatolians. You need to remember that the Greek Anatolians are only hellenized people means they only called Greek because they speak the Greek language because they are colony of the real Hellenic Greek people in the Balkan . The easiest example is like Moroccan and Tunisian calling Arabs just because they speak Arabic due to colonization of north Africa by the real Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Moroccan and north Africa have different DNA to ARABS.
Just like the Greek Anatolian they haved DNA Haplo of J2 similar to Armenians and other ancient Anatolian people not the same DNA to the Balkan Greeks.
In 13th century AD, Seljuk Turks started to colonized Anatolian making the Anatolian people migrate to the Balkan especially Greece, this is the reason why the genetic makeup of modern Balkan change dramatically.
"Whatever you do, DO NOT call them Russians!"
"NEVER CALL THEM RUSSIANS!! "
😂😂👍
@@MrVessi2010uk just shut the fuck up
TH-camSearch ToxicVaccines ToxicFluoride, HIV HOAX thet is't truhe,
@@MrVessi2010uk butthurt much kiddo?
But flag of Serbia is the same flag with Russia
In other words "Don't steryotypically call us our friends, whatever you do!!!!!!!!!!! Calling us our enemies if fine though!
If you actually know anything about the slovene language you would know its actually west slavic. Explanation: Slovenians were first part of Samo's kingdom (lead by Samo, a frankish merchant), samo's kingdom was a state made out of different west slavic tribes. Then the Slovenes got seperated from the rest of the west slavs by the germans (Bavarian kingdom). Thats the reason why there is a german state (Austria) seperating 2 different slavic countries today. After we got seperated by the germans slovenian started to get influenced by different cultures (Italian, Hungarian, German and serbo-croatian). Example of german influence in Slovene would be our counting system which is exactly the same as german, meanwhile serbo-croatian counting system is same as English. Thats why Slovenian is one of the most interesting languages. Its a canvas of different languages which make up the modern slovene.
Make a video about the Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians and Greeks and their aftermath on the Balkans
Why a Serb is interesting in history . Which don't belong to them , your history is only 1000 years old in this land .
Only the Greeks remain
They are now part of slavs.
H Ĕ Ł P ?
Only the Greeks remain?
Ohh, lets just forget the Romanians, and the Albanians. Not relevant at all
dua era I'm not a Serb..
Before I watch the video, I just wanna say that Balkan DNA can be found in Mexico, I don't know how, but I'm Mexican and took a DNA test I'm .3% Balkan.
How To Vegan Spanish conquistadores with Balkan ancestors mixed with the natives in Mexico
Goran Kostic No, they were mostly tribal.
Goran Kostic that is false, native Americans didn't come from Europe
In Cuba too. I recently found out that I carry 4.6% Balkan DNA. I was a bit surprised.
Refugies from Balkan escape on sauth Italy because turcish invazion. Albanian and Croatia catholics. Sauth Italy was in that time under spanish rule. Part od spanish empire.
A video on the differences between Northern Han Chinese and Southern Han Chinese, please.
It's a lot more complicated than just Northern and Southern Chinese
Ekmal Sukarno The biggest difference between South and North is accent. There were countless warfares in Ancient China. Most of the wars happened in North. Therefore, a lot of ancient northern Han Chinese fled to Southern China or even cross the sea to Japan. Most of Southern accents have deeper link with ancient Chinese language than Mandarin. As a Southern Han Chinese, I find it smoother to read Ancient Chinese poetry by my accounts than read read it by Mandarin.
Samilar paternal heritages but different maternal heritages. Many studies on Y-DNA haplogroups and mtDNA haplogroups have been conducted among Han Chinese.
lol I think you just found a bigger can of worm than the topic of Balkan Slavs
Hakka and Hoklo peoples...
Nice effort and story but here is one serious mistake. Masaman wrongly concludes that the predominant occurence of haplogroup I in Romania and the Balkans "proves" that Romanians are closer to Slavs. In fact, the predominant haplotype in Slavic populations is R1a. Therefore, the predominance of haplogroup I in the populations named "Southern Slavs" simply shows they are NOT as slavic as people think, even though they speak slavic languages.
I mean, seriously man ... this was a little superficial homework (or just the fact that Balkans gives headacks to everyone :) ...).
Also you should not overlook the fact that haplotype I is also the predominant haplotype in Scandinavia - which shows that Scandinavians (minus Fins) and people from the so called Balkan region (plus Romanians) share a common ancestry, a pre-indoeuropean one for that matter.
PS. It is risky for people without training in natural sciences to venture (alone) on the territory of genetic origins. Just saying ...
Maybe haplogroup I2 is really Slavic and R1A less .
@@adrianpotocki9799 That would require slavs to have migrated the other way round - from south and west to north and east. There is no indication of that in history whatsoever.
Divide et Impera,that describes all.
turkish people are originally from mongolia
Turkic people are from Mongolia. But Turkish people are not. Turkish ppl are Greek/Arab/Persian by blood, who were ruled by a Turko/Mongolian ruling class.
@ADGamer Ataturk's father has albanian descend.
You mean turkic
Ertorol Rahmadow dna tests say otherwise. Turks conquered Anatolia, but majority of Turkish people do not have Turkic blood. Kazakhs and Uzbeks have more relation to the Seljuks and Ottomans than common Turkish people do.
@@Jattmafia313 Correct! and also turkish people come from Turks and somewhere from south-east Tracia.
I have some remarks about inaccuracies but I have to express my greatest satisfaction about the thorough understanding and analysis of the processes on the Balkan peninsula. Some of them are more suitable for high-level academic level of discussion which makes the whole video a compliment to the author.
I am Mexican living in America and I love Balkan people I found out im part balkan but idk what kind but I love it
Lol I'm Balkan Slav so thank you😀😁
The best of Southern Europe 🙌🏼.
We balkan slavs fight eachother, but at the end of the day we are family and we should love eachother!
SPQR_Miles_IC-I_Marsy slovenia is piece of shit your language is piece of shit go fuck yourself you are not slav you are german fuck you you have no history we croats have history hahaha
Nah b, sorry I raised your hopes
Sure sure keep lying to yourself. We both know what you are...
Croats, not "Croates".
@@dusanroncevic5000 aj suti, kukas o kukanju, dumbfuck
@@jakobovski13 stfu
It’s hard to listen to him saying Croats. Hurts my ears.
nice another youtuber trying to explain my history and doesn't even know anything about the bulgars
Yeah, like in school someone actually tells the truth about histroy, this is as accurate as it can get.
Balkan history has been fucked with and edited on all levels,so noone actually knows anything,about anyone.
Devide and conquer.
My grandma told me a story about Macedonia, how there was a Turkish prince that moved into Macedonian village on a mountain and would force all newly married women to sleep with him first, the Macedonian village people just moved their village further down the mountain to get away from him. I was also told a story how one of her aunts was cut in half by nazi planes that strafed the fields. And my Grandpa told me a story how he got lost in the night and found an abandoned church to sleep in, when he woke up he found he was sleeping on the bones of dead people.
First night wasnt true. Osman's did many things but not this one.
The last story, told by your grandfather, has some very curious spiritual meaning.
First we say "Видимо се следећи пут" (Serbian version). Second, as Serb from region of Šumadija (central region of the country) I would not like to have any sort of political union with other peoples of the Balkan Peninsula, Slavic or not. We are just about sick and tired of all experiments of "brotherhood and unity" that does not exist in reality. For a century we (Balkan Slavs) have tried to put a life in a corpse called Yugoslavia and failed. It was capitalist and it was socialist. It was monarchy and it was republic. It was dominated by various ethnic groups at various times and nothing worked. Just endless quarrels and fights that were draining lives and resources of already poor people. That is why I hope that we will not see each other next time in Yugoslavia. As for Serbia if history and empiricism can learn us something than it is that we were better off alone. Yes it was hard then, as it is and will be hard today and tomorrow but steady and slowly country will go ahead better than it would in endless fight with others under the same roof. On a human level I understand emotions of many people. Many of them have had some great memories about Yugoslavia and spent better part of their lives in it. But sad reality of life is that House divided can not stand. And it should not. Fact is that we do not trust each other to live under some roof. Yes we speak almost same language (I like to call it Serbian-something) but that does not mean that we are less strangers to each other than to those who don't. For all intends and purposes there is not almost a single thing that say Serb can find in Zagreb or Sarajevo that is better than in Vienna, Berlin, London, Istanbul, New York and vice-versa. So why waste any more time. Our ancestors did not and we should not eather. 100 years ago average Serb almost did not know that Zagreb exists and lived happily with that ignorance in his own country. Why it should be different today, if he does not have specific, private business or personal interest to do so. Let's put the corps to the pages of history and move forward, each in its own way and any sort of "unity" leave to private initiative, risk and trade with minimum diplomatic relations just to facilitate that and some private relations that would hopefully die-off with time.
The main problem I see with understanding these nations is the approach. I simply cannot understand why are they still regarded as if they form some sort of a collective, when Yugoslavia has been dead and gone for many years now. Every nation needs to be approached separately to properly understand their motives and actions. If you tried to understand Europe as a whole, the same way some people are trying to understand South Slavs, you would find it the same incomprehensible mess as the "Balkans". It is an illusion that the history of Europe is less bloody and less complicated than the "Balkans region".
Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia etc. are historical realities that have been around before Yugoslavia, they have existed within Yugoslavia and have continued to exist after Yugoslavia. I think it's finally time for the world to mentally "exit" Yugoslavia and give these nations the proper attention they deserve.
it's mostly Western Europeans that cling to the Yugoslavia narrative:
they try to understand history by simplifying it;
I'm Polish, and some Western Europeans still call me: a post-communist Eastern European
(as if communism was the most important chapter in Central European history)
It really shouldn't.
-T-X-M-
Only with Srbija, Makedonija and Crna Gora
Plus the lands that belong to Srbija in hrvatska and Bosna
sarplaninac13 Serbia tried that...? Remember the 90's?
-T-X-M- I wasn't replying to you. Your comments don't make much sense anyway.
Masaman is gonna blow the powder keg with this one
Greeks and Romanians and Albanians: Always been here
South Slavs: why are we here
Turks: I think we went a bit too west
Albanians weren't here
@@user-pn7jz9vr2z Really? Tell me how and why I’m genuinely curious
I’m not trying to be ironic
@@thegreekchad5066 no prob friend
It's just the fact that, their language has no connection to iliriyan, their genes neither
Iliriyans were writers, albanian language was first in written form during the begging of 20th century
@@user-pn7jz9vr2z thanks for telling me
Less than 1% in Bulgarian DNA is of turkic origin. Let's battle science vs speculations. Shall we?
You can't genetically tell Thracian, Iranic, or Slavic apart, because they were all Satem branch speakers of Indo-European languages and mainly carriers of R1a originally.
He addresses this point at 4:22 in the video. Watch the entire video before making comments ok smartass?
because the conquest dumbass
@Mert Yüksel no
@Mert Yüksel there was a dna test that completely disprooved that.
We have indo iranian and mostly slav and thracian dna
Yay finally my origins,I have a macedonian father and serbian mother
Bulgarian* Fathеr
Bulgarian empire mapping can I just mention im macedonian without starting a flame war
Envore D. Call him whatever you want . If you do enough research you ll see that thеre isnt such nationality
Hello there Serbian half-brother (:
So, your father must be a Bulgarian from FYROM then.
6:46 There was no Macedonian ethnicity until invented by the Comintern after WWII.
@Jovan Spasovski You understand shit from "ancient Macedonian" -- that looks suspiciously similar to ancient Greek!😝😂😂😂
Do you see anywhere your Macedonia on the map @1:15???🙄🤔🤫😖
@@guerguistoyanov137 Македония е България.
@@lordquaz7154 No doubt!I never said anything stating the contrary.🇧🇬👍🍻
bapashkling same like Greece , only a little earlier , 1821 , from Arbanite to Greek , they needed decades to learn that new language that till recently was explained to have been forged for the elites only , now they say it’s indo european and real as it gets , same with the Macedonians , from Arbanas (Arbanite) to Macedonian , they like the Greeks still know their roots , apparently same with the other balkan nation , they all tell how they were Arbanas before they became these new nations , apparently they would be attacked and fought by europe russia america etc , if they declare and hold their identity openly , it would mean challenging the new world order (modern nationalities) , strangely enough the russians europeans americans , they too tell how they’re from this same kin / nation , for example the English tell in real history and in lets call it configured history how they are from the balkans (Trojans/Bryges/Phryges) and Arbans (Albion/Alban-Scotland) , the Germans tell something else , like how they were Aryans , Arianism before modern Christianity , the name is Ar , ARban ARyan , and you’re all traitors , except if you had some reason to do this , like for example ‘everything is in two’ the religious way , meaning you forged reality in order to have two , because of a high reason , than you still are traitors but for a higher reason which excuses the betrayal , if by Ar is understood the father of this nation race and you did it because of him , than according to that intention it’s not even betrayal because Arban means made by Ar , meaning recognizing the true identity through biology , if this is done because of him and it’s his nation than it cannot be betrayal , even though technically it is , but they never hid it even though they showed skill to be able doing so , they always told what’s real , meaning it can’t be betrayal , more like a game , for a while taking another language and name , and it’s valid , because in the 90s for example it was fulfilled, everyone was convinced in this , even the Albanians , full Shqiptar , it’s over , isn’t it .
@@user-ce2wz2ki6z - That is a loooooong sentence!
We might have fought bloody wars, we might hate eachother but secretly we wouldn’t want any other neighbours ❤🇧🇦🇬🇷🇭🇷🇲🇪 🇽🇰 🇦🇱 🇷🇸 🇲🇰 🇧🇬 🇸🇮 🇷🇴
If i understand correctly, Slovenes (such as myself) are genetically more closely tied to central slavic group, such as Slovaks. In fact, the way i understand it, slovenes and slovaks were same tribe that was split by the hungarians. Also explains the linguistic similarities between us. That said, of course we're culturally part of south slavic group.
genes talk is BS on this levels.
Not exactly true, the slovenes carry (38% R1a,) (30 - 35% I1 (11%) and I2 (24%)) and (R1b - 18 - 21% ). So if you look at the age of this haplogroups the I is the oldest and belongs to the Balkan region , the second oldest is R1a which came to balkans around 7500 bc and the youngest one is R1b which came to europe around 4800 bc. So by this statistics we can say that slovens are the original inhabitants of this region, and were here for thousends of years. The only 2 ''slavic'' tribes that came from carpathian mountins are serbs and croats around 700 - 900 ad. What you said about slovenians and slovaks being one nation is true after the huns the nation was separated. Even russian historian Yuriy Venelin wrote about slovenia that in the 4 century it was on of the europes empires covering lands from albania, venetia, tyrol, slovakia, slavonija, dalmatia, istria, bosnia .... And the culture of slovenians is much similar to the austrian one than the ''yugoslav'' one. Only in the last 150 years with propaganda, false history and changes in the language and the immigaration of 600,000 croats, bosnians, serbs after the ww2 and the yugoslav wars, ''slovenian culture became more similar to the yugoslav one.
+Carniolan Eagle Then what in the genetics shows that Serbs are from the Carpathians versus others? R1a is the most Carpathian, so Poland and Slovakia are the best fits.
It is not very clear what the origin of Bulgars was. There are many facts that suggest they were from the Irano-Persian branch of the Indo-European family. I am Bulgarian and I am acquainted with the topic.
Stiliyan Ivanov Yo because you're Bulgarian, can you tell me what youthink about Macedonias?
Mr. Pace Well, there were really ancient Macedonians (the nation of Alexander the Great) but they were very influenced by the Ancient Greeks. At the end of the 19 century the population were South Slavic people who spoke a dialect of Bulgarian (there are even Ottoman documents that say so). But after the Balkan and World wars the Macedonian land became part of the Republic of Yugoslavia and a Macedonian identity was created. And after all the years of separation there are some differences between Bulgarians and Macedonians. After all, when you separate similar people for a long time, they evolve in different ways.
Stiliyan Ivanov So why is there so much hate between theese two nations?
Mr. Pace Maybe it’s about politics. The common people generally don’t hate each other. In my opinion, Bulgarians and Macedonians should overcome their differences and work together for a better future.
" So why is there so much hate between theese two nations?"
It is a political project by the serbs. They slaughetered and tortured thousands of people who did not wanted to give up their bulgarian identity after their land was occupied by serbs after the second balkan war.
Then when the communism came and they were part of yugoslavia there was just a brainwashing campaign to push fake identity and fake history to the young generation.
Much love from a Yugo slav
@fabijanfishing ur gey
@Masaman, since you've asked what region/group is intertwined with Balkans - here's an idea for you - *SORBS*. At 2:50 in your video you are showing the migration map of the Slavs directly to Balkans. But it is not completely accurate since it is missing an arrow showing a large portion of tribes that migrated to today's Germany first (Lužice - Lužički Serbs) and founded many famous German cities. Their history is amazing and since you've done videos on Romani people, you might find a lot of similarities due to forceful assimilation and marginalization of Sorbs in Germany (still happening!).
History of Sorbs and Serbs is closely connected and we consider each other "long-lost brothers" mainly because it is from that region (Lusatia) that a significant group of Serbs under the Unknown Archon migrated from Samo's state to Balkans where they have joined and mixed with other Slavic groups ("the Seven Slavic Tribes") that previously have migrated there along with Avars (shown accurately on the mentioned map of yours). It is very likely that from these Serbian tribes that came from Dervan's Serbia the first Serbian dynasties originated. Should you decide to investigate the history of these groups you will find that many Slavic tribes were living in east Germany, parts of Czechia and Poland, many of which carrying simply typical Slavic last names (common in Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia today) and that variants of Sorb/Serbian tribes and Croatian tribes (Khorvaty) where living next to each other.
SERBS AND CROATS
Now, fast-forward to modern history it is very sad to see their successors fighting and disliking each other. It was a history of peaceful co-living of over 2000 years that we should be focusing on. Especially if we take into account that Serbian tribes and Croatian tribes (and I am deliberately saying tribes and not Serbs and Croats) have come a long way together. One theory suggests that even though Slavic by culture the names "Serbs" and "Croats" are not Slavic but that they came from their upper class rulers from Sarmatia (there are records of Serboi/Servia and Khorvaty/Horoáthos) and that proto-Slavic groups (ancestors of Serbs and Croats) were heavily influenced by them thus picking up the names and partially culture and tradition. If true, then this would mean that Serbs and Croats have actually lived together for over 2 millennia, migrated together, fought together and had a pretty similar road to the Balkans (taking into account that same as a part of Serbs moved from Samo's state, a large portion of Croats migrated from the neighboring White Croatia). It wasn't until only ~100+ years we started hating each other due to the rise of the concept of nations. Christianity played a major role in the meantime, finally drawing the line between Catholics (Croats) and Orthodox (Serbs), even though in early middle ages both were changing their official religion many times (depending of the dynasty rulers). This piece of history is NEVER mentioned in Serbian nor Croatian history books for reasons unknown to me. Pan-Serbian and Pan-Croatian ultra right ideas flourish in both countries suggesting that either Croats are actually Serbs (catholic) and speak Serbian language (coming from Serbian ultra right pseudo-historians) while the opposite Serbs are actually Croatian (only orthodox) is thought by Croatian far rights...
LANGUAGE
We all speak the same language and understand each other perfectly. We also do understand Slovenians to some extent (while Slovenians understand Serbs and Croats much better). Serbs understand North Macedonians pretty well (and Macedonians understand Serbs and Croats almost completely). In fact, the dialect spoken in Macedonia, according to some scholars is an earlier version or descend from medieval Serbian due to the fact that it was ruled by Serbian monarchs. Aside from language a major dispute are actually the origin of the Cyrillic alphabet (Bulgarians, Greeks, North Macedonians), and language reform (Serbs and Croats). Other disputes are among the Orthodox population and nationalization of their churches - Serbian, Macedonian and Montenegrin. But that's a whole another story...
KOSOVO
As for Kosovo - you're right, we do not talk about it but we should - at least in a civilized manner. Much of the things I've said about peaceful co-living with the Croats throughout the history applies for Albanian-Serbian relations too. We were friends once. Albanian tribes have already been there once the Slavic tribes came in. Many far right nationalist like to use this to justify the Kosovo issue saying that it originally belonged to Albania. And in a way it did - but only as a region where Ilyrian tribes lived. Leveraged by a theory that all Albanians are decedents from the Iliryan (even though there were far too many tribes) they believe that Kosovo and Metohija are rightfully theirs. It is important to mention that once the Slavic tribes moved into Balkans another massive ethnogenesis happened (prior one being among western Slavs, Samaritian and Germanic tribes) where all these different peoples including Illyrian decends, but also Latin, Tracian etc, mixed together... Serbian medival states grew to be strong and Kosovo played a major role there. Prior to mass conversion to Islam, rulers of Albanian tribes were friends with Serbian monarchs and their families are closely connected (relatives). It is almost impossible to distinguish ethnicity of serbo-albanian-montenegrian mixed tribes and people (rulers among them) who all lived under "tribal" culture during the middle ages but were mostly ruled by Serbian monarchs therefore influenced heavily by the Slavic culture.
HAPLOGROUP
My paternal lineage is E-V13 and my grandfathers are from Metohija (Kosovo), and this is one of the most dominant (if not the most dominant haplogroup in Albania and Kosovo). But it is also a 3rd most dominant in Serbia and comes from non-Slavic people who lived in Balkans prior to Slavs (dating back to DNA in remains of the Danube and Vinca culture). What does that mean - absolutely nothing.
Finally, for you another interesting topic could be *Asia Minor Slavs* which are the Serbs that rose up against the Byzantines in 12th century and ended up being deported to Asia Minor where they founded new Serbian communities and cities.
P.S.
I LOVE your work and your channel! Keep up the excellent work! Thank you.
Here's the list FYI:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs#/media/File:BOGUS%C5%81AWSKI(1861)_Das_Siedlungsgebiet_der_Sorben_vom_7._bis_11._Jahrhundert_in_Mitteldeutschland.jpg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_Archon
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Oh, I just saw you have a video about how Slavic Germany is :) Sorry about that one. Yet, the relation between Sorbs and Serbs and their migration is still a good topic to cover ;)
South slavic muslim ☪️ here. Macedonia 🇲🇰 bosnia 🇧🇦 ♥
I miss Yugoslavia. Man made war devided us. Now covid (man made).
But never forget that all we have is each other. Only the goodness in our hearts matters if we wanna get through this now. Stay strong everyone. Enemies will never stop invading. I guess thats just life, as it has always been that way. Dont be fooled, ever! 💛
I am Slav and put race above all religions and ideologies, just hope my Bosnian Slav brothers and sisters can embrace race before Islam.
Pozdrav 😊
Macedonia and Macedonians are 99% orthodox Christians
What happened to the Thracians who occupied Bulgaria when looking at maps of 2000 years ago?
hraans? hm thracians where the armies of konstantin the great that kill every man women and children that where not become a christian and left them roten not buried...then some centuries after the bulgarian king samuel genocite the thracians so he claim the area as bulgaria so most of the rest became bulgarians for the most reason that they dont want to go down in history as the destroyers of the ancient hellenic civilization and still today they dont want to be called thracians only the hellenes call the land thraki and east thaki the part that is in european turkey
Leonidas, this is utter bs greek propaganda.
Still occupying and not just BG. It was huge population consisting of many tribes, constantly fighting each other. Got integrated, they're all in the mix. Some of us still can track our roots to them.
They are the dominant today... Thrachians being the 2nd largest group in the world after the Hindu (according to Herodot) are the core of the Balkan people .. their major ancestors were the Pelasgi and their relatives the likes of Illyrians and Dacians ... these are the South Slavic people today in language and largly in genetics ... you see South slavs are really the only slavic people in both language and genetics ... poles and russians are really converts ... they north slavs just like most of Europe are from Turano-Aryan heritage from Eastern Europe and Siberia ... sounds like crazy theory but seems to be the most reasonanle even thou is not popular at all
Hungarians are central Europeans and Romanians indeed are south-east europeans but only the small coastline and back land actually is on the Balkan peninsula
7:47 Slovenia was not spared from war and did have a ten day war. North Macedonia was the only former Yugoslav nation to not have a war, but in 2001 there was a ten month insurgency in the country.
The more rich and powerful west european nations divided the balkans thru wars and hate because if it was one country it would be more powerful than any other west european country
This is why people don't want eu to fall.
wtf u talking about, yugoslavia had 20 million people. No matter how good the economy was it was a tiny country so not significant at all.
Our people are just retarded and power hungry and fucked everything up. We are to blame, dont use this bullshit conspiracy to excuse how stupid our people and our government were and are
Even Yugoslav wouldn't stand a chance against UK lol. Y'all need your Russian master
Andrei Kuzmanov A united Yugoslavia was far weaker than any of the Western heavy hitters though...
@@imawormbeforeiamaman4261 you need a brain....uk?is that the place where mohhammad is the second most popular name these days?you' need to come down from you high trone.there is no empire any more.you are just a little island in atlantic now,get over yourself arrogant little shit.master?like your pedofilic royals you mean?no,we don't have those.
Im from Macedonia. When I went to Zagreb, Croatia I was surprised to see that some of the people on the airport didn't want to speak to me in our mutually intelligible dialects, so I decided to speak to everyone in English. Some Croatians were offended because I did this. So, from personal experience, this video is correct on the fact that some people will pretend to not understand each other due to political reasons but I don't think it's a large percentage. Honestly, a lot of people though I was an asshole for doing it. But I grew up in the USA and even though I can understand Croatian very easy, it's even easier for me to speak English.
Its north Macedonian now😂😂😂😂
Croats don't understand Macedonians as easily as Serbs
Macedonia is Greek!
Der Albaner 20% is albanian but ok
Lusi they aren’t even turkish like bulgarians but ok
God's blessing on all nations
Who long and work for that bright day...
(from the Slovenian national anthem)
Serbo-Croatian is actually a one language, and Croatians, Serbians, Bosnians and Montenegrins became so divided only because of political conflicts. Forget about politics and about religious wars. Live in Peace ✌
Restore Yugoslavia
We do not preatend that we don't understand either other we perfectly understand that we speak in same variation of language (I mean for Croat's and Serb's)
I have a Croatian cousin who was denied entry to UK because he refused to recognise the Serbian translator employed by UK border authority, even though he understands me perfectly & i am a Serb. There are a few idiots like him who pretend not to understand.
@@zivkovicable lol
@@zivkovicable this is because Vuk Karadzic derived the Serbian language from today's Croatian language and made us understand each other very well today, except for 5-10% of words that are spoken only in those countries. However, Croatizing the non-existent Serbian language, which was more similar to Bulgarian than Croatian language is one of the reasons why Croatia and Serbia fought a war 150 years later. Fortunately, the Croats won both the language war and the gun war of the 1990s...today is called hrvatsko-srpski or srpsko-hrvatski but in origin thats Croatian language....we are EU, give me my language or fuck off xd
Love this channel
Danube Bulgarians were never part of the Turkic ethnic group btw
which makes them non-Bulgarians. they are only called that for belonging to early Bulgarian khanate. they are slavs.
Yes, proto-bulgars were iranic people
@@themitri5643 bulgars were west eurasian. modern bulgarians have 0 mongoloid admixture
This shows ancient bulgars were not asian
digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol_preprints/69/
and it turns out only 2.3% of modern bulgarians share ancient bulgar genes:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Bulgarians
This is very similar to the Hungarians who have little to "Huns" but are a predominantly Balkan ethnicity related to modern Bulgarians.
This coincides with the theory that the Balkans were the original place where civilization spread throughout europe.
For the Italian university study
bnr.bg/en/post/100729084/present-day-bulgarians-carry-genes-of-thracians-and-proto-bulgarians-not-of-slavs
So bottom line is Bulgarians are more Thracian (the ancient population of the Balkans who had a kingdom at the time of dynastic Egypt and before ancient greece even)
This shows that Bulgars were West Eurasian (in other words Europid). This is the 2.3% component of modern bulgarians.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26416319
further studies:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21674295
@@zarni000 you are right, I know who protobulgars and avars are in Bulgaria - only a rulling class. just like normans in England, English are still Germanic, not Norman. But, again, Bulgaria lost its original Bulgarian language, while keeping a non Slavic, turkic name.
Bulgarians are like serbs today, slavenised autochtonous people, but Bulgarian name was never Slavic.
@@zarni000
I don't bealive Bulgarian studies on this matter, as Bulgarians are ashamed of their Turkic part of ancestry. yet, we all know to which race did Avar, Tatar, Ugar, Madjar, Khazar belong - Turkic. do you think Romeians were stupid when they called Hungary - turkey? and again, your cousins are still alive. Chuvash people are your cousins, Kabardino-Balkaria, kazan, Volga-bulgars.
do you realy think that those folks such as Asparuh, Kubrat, Krum, Tervel,... didn't know their ancestry.
if turkic ancestry is ok for Hungarians - why is it wrong for you? if we change teachings on Bulgarians, should we change teachings on Hungarians too?
Why is it wrong to call Dulo dynasty a turkic dynasty. this whole story refers to Khans and great bolyars, not to modern Bulgarians. there is no ideologivcal consequences.
I'm Serbian and there are literally theories of us coming from the Celts, the Balkans, Asia, Russia... I'm pretty sure balkan slavs are one of the most genetically rich people
Ellie KX I have read theories That Serbs lived in Caucasus with Croatians and they actually were Scythian. in 4th century and later migrated with Slavs and took their language.
Literally the first line of the 2nd article you posted as your source, stated that Bulgarians are not related to Turkic people
MODERN Bulgarians are not related to Turks. Ancient Bugars were Turkic, but they’ve mostly died off.
@@endlessnameless174 Where do Thracians come in place then? Are Thracian and Turkic people related?
*WE WAZ YOGOLEVIANS N SHEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIT!!!*
_Random Dog_ Yogolevians?
YOLOvians*
3:20
You say "another non indo-european group", which is just wrong.
Slavic is indo European, what are you going on about?
I am from Bosnia and lot of Americans think that I am Russian ... weird, but since war in Ukraine, some started thinking that I am Ukrainian refugee.
I am Serb, and I living in Germany. When someone call me a Russian. I see that as a compliment.
@National Bolshevist Albanian
@National Bolshevist stfu you smelly Serb. Enjoy your beers
A video about the difference between people from Norfolk and People from Suffolk, please.
No mention of the Aromanians?
André Luis Marín yeah was waiting for istro-romanians like Nikola Tesla who is actually of Romanian decent.
Majority of them are living in northern Greece. From the slavic states, i guess Macedonia is country with some noticeable minority of Vlahs, but perhaps not noticeably enough to be mentioned.
si? te simti cumva mai special? crezi ca ai vreun merit? sau sa fii roman ii vreo virtute? exista ceva special in sangele romanesc? stiu Iisus a fost dac la origine.. scuza-mi impertinenta dar sunt putin frustrat cand vad atata fudulism in constiinta romanului..
Cuz all was fake if it was true he would have mentioned simle as that
''Aromanians are-Romanians?''
:p
As a Serb ive almost never had a bad experience with Croatians, have lots of Croat friends in fact
Why don't we all do a DNA research and let it speak the truth ? Then we can see which nations are the oldest in the Balkans and which nations came as invaders ?
I am in.
People will hate each other even more if that happens, trust me.
I did that. My family is mix of Bosniaks, Croats, and Serbs. But only 15.8% of my DNA is east European. That is general east European, so I guess it's not only Slavic. 71% of my DNA is autochthon Greek-Balkan (pre-slavic). 3% Italian. Fallowed by some Spanish/Portugese, some general South European, and general broadly European. At the end all together 99% European. Rest are western Asian, perhaps some north African, and 0.1% unknown.
Interesting part was about Greek-Balkan and Italian, because it shows DNA is mostly common in Bosnia, Croatia, and Peloponnese. Yet my Italian part is found in regions of Naples that were early settled by Greeks.
I am thinking about switching to all Neapolitan pizza and Ouzo diet. I let you know if I survive. If I don't, well you know....