Finding stair angle and converting to handrail
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- How to find the angle of stairs and convert to angles used to build handrails
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The intro music doesn't do this guy or his content justice. Hes more serious and respectable than the intro music would lead you to believe lol
Yea I had a guy make that for me. Wasn’t 100% happy with it. Didn’t really work out as planned.
You just saved me a TON of figuring this out. I am about to start my first railing project. Thank you 🙏
Glad this helped please let us know if you have any questions
Very helpful . I’m certified 6g tig welder and handrails always kicked my ass . Took the time to listen to you and it makes sense to me now . Thanks . This will help with my business . Another skill I can offer
So glad you found our channel. We try our best to put out content that is helpful and occasionally entertaining.
Dude crazy thing. I use the same technique and I have the exact husky level. Nuts!!!
Nice work.
I'm a finish carpentry and trim out staircases in wood of course. Just want to say you did a great job on that stairs. Angle aren't really that bad once you get the hang of it, but I do find myself going slow and double checking everything to make sure I don't make mistakes. The older I get the easier it is for me to get confused sometimes. so I try not to rush it and it always comes out right at the end. And I like the challenge too. Well, . . . at lease most of the time.
Looks good! Looking forward to the next video on the angles of cut.
Thanks for the video
Awesome work.
@@user-ji1mw9nb4z thank you so much. We haven’t made any videos lately but planning to film soon and put out some new content. Thanks for watching and following along
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Great video! We are starting to get more handrail work in the shop that is mostly heavy equipment and repair work!!
Wow! Thanks man. Helped me out a lot! Starting my own business 👍🏽🙏🏽
That's so awesome to hear. Don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions, The only dumb questions are the ones you don't ask. Thanks for watching Happy Thursday, go Hustle..
Glad ya'll are busy that's a good thing
Yes sir we have been very busy. I think that's the case with most trades. Lots and lots of construction going on. Unfortunately I see a crash ahead....
Thanks, I appreciate the knowledge you shared. You made it very easy to understand. Your awesome. Happy Labor Day weekend thanks
Glad you got some good information let me know if you have any questions
Great job on explaining things!
Thank you sir I really appreciate that. It’s hard to explain sometimes. I’m more of a hands on kind of guy. Much easier to show in person but I enjoy sharing and making videos to help others out
Thanks for watching
You did great explaining that 👍 now I know
Love how simple you made all this
Building projects like this can definitely be intimidating but if you break it down it can be very simple. The key is to remember speed comes with time. Keep it simple at first and as you get more proficient you’ll get faster and faster. Glad it helped and we really appreciate you watching our channel.
Nice intro! And man I needed this info
Absolutely thanks for watching
Thank you so much very educational
Great video 👍
Thanks....been welding over 20 years and never took the time to learn the fitting side of this.
There are definitely a lot of tips and tricks to learn along the way. Hope you found some on my videos as there are tons more to learn from others in the trade aswell. Thanks for watching
Awesome info man, would love to get a chance to work with ppl like you
Dude you thought me soooooo much just now. Thanks so much for the time you took.
Awesome 👌 I love it.
Thank you! 😊
I'm currently building 50 sets, for three towers in Charlotte nc. Wished I'd seen your videos along time ago.
Wow that's a lot of rails, Let us know if you ever need any extra help. We travel down that way from time to time. Over in Mocksville working on a project last week.
Great video. Very instructive. The shop that can be seen is really organized and clean. The welding and grinding looks real quality. I do have a question. What size tube and wall thickness is best? And what weight/lb. is the stringer? Thank you. Keep the videos coming.
We use 1.25" sch 10 and sch 40
the stringers will either be 10" or 12" channel weight depends on specs called out by engineer on drawings
I would love to see a video on how you find the height of each vertical post so that the top rail is parallel with the stairs. For example, most of the time the top post and bottom post have to be different heights depending on where they land on the step tread. I hope this makes sense. Thanks for your videos!
Good morning great question. Every rail application is going to be different. Sometimes posts will differ from top to bottom. I will try to put a video together explaining in more detail
Thanks for watching
@@MattcoMetalWorks thank you!
@@92weldingandconstruction Divide the height of a step by 2 and and that measurement to the height of your top post. This will give you the centre line height and will only work if the posts on steps are in the middle of the step.
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I agree I'd love to see a video on that
The thing for me I struggle with. Is how do you find out the height of your uprights that hold the hand rail? Because isn’t every up right gonna be a different length to keep that 34° angle?
Layouts help
Hey man do you have a video that explains how to actually find the right height to the post at the top and bottom of the stairs in order to get that 42” from the nose of the step to the top of the rail??
We are currently bidding for a staircase with guard rails and hand rails. But the drawings they gave us hardly have any detail on it. Im assuming they just want us to quote them and then maybe they’ll give us the real drawing
So most of the time you’ll have enough to quote the project. Then once awarded it’s up to you to get engineered drawings if needed and then shop drawings also. So don’t forget to add that cost into your bid.
Could you please make a video from start to finish doing this whole job? Would love to see it
I can do my best it's just really hard to do as most of the time were super busy and trying to get things out the door as quick as we can. But will defiantly try to do
Thanks for watching
i have a question.. OK so i have a workshop drawing and i need to cut a PFC at 153(Degrees), how do i find out the angle to set on the bandsaw, or transfer that angle to the Bandsaw to cut the PFC at that degrees...?
Great video. Did you ever do another additional video on the angles on handrail building?
I’ve got a couple vids. I’m trying my best to get more out but haven’t had time lately.
What’s the best way to find and mark angled cuts on round tubing in the field? Using a Milwaukee band saw.
So we use a speed square. In the field and in the shop. It takes alittle eye balling to find that pivot point but we can get pretty dang close. I'll try to do a video of that soon
Thanks for watching
@@MattcoMetalWorks thanks for the info!
If you don't have a template youse a contour marker curveOmatic makes one
I was wondering if by chance you did the in depth video and I’m just not seeing it. Regardless great video bro
I don’t think we’ve got one other than this sorry. We’ve got some platforms coming up so maybe we’ll get some more footage of those.
There are 2 angles in play here. The angle from vertical and the angle from horizontal. Combined they equal 90°. Technically they’re called complimentary angles. If you don’t have some kind of protractor device to physically measure the angle, you can still find out what it is by dividing the vertical measurement by the horizontal measurement. Then using your calculator, find the arc tangent of that number and that’s your angle. Arc tangent is this button (tan−1) on your calculator.
Example: 7.25 ÷ 11 = 0.6590 tan−1 = 33.39°
To find the other angle: 90° - 33.39° = 56.61°
This is great information. I wish I was better at math. LOL I’m sure I do things the long way most times. Thanks for sharing this
@@MattcoMetalWorks You’re welcome. It’s not necessary to be an expert with trig or calculus. Just knowing how to utilize only a couple trig functions, that you already have on your phone calculator, is all you really need.
@@psidvicious I definitely need to learn those. I always hated math but I also didn’t try very hard. Enjoyed working with my hands
Sorry for the double post but what tubing not her do you use?
I think you meat to say Tubing Notcher. We have two machines for that, one of which is the Scotchman 50 Ton Ironworker with coping/notcher attachment for making straight copes. Then we have old faithful which I've had since I started buidiling rails years ago, that's a Baileigh TN-250 for making angle copes/notches. That tool was around $500 when I bought it but runs about $850 now and worth every penny. It's portable so you can use for onsite rail building also, all you need is a vice to clamp it into. Hope this helps I'll ad a link in the description to the Baileigh TN-250. Have a great weekend.
@@MattcoMetalWorks thanks. Yes I meant notched. Wow. Is that white stand used to mock up the landing and the stairs?
@@ajsironworks3937 yes sir it is. We build a lot of these so we made a jig setup. That way we build the upper platform and then just set it on the jig. And from there we build the stringers and rails, assemble everything, grind and it’s ready for primer
So the bottom post is cut at 2 separate angles? Verticle post is cut on 28 degrees and the rail is cut at 16 degrees?
Or are both cuts 28 degrees for the bottom post ?
Did you make the details on the cut video
Which details are you referring too??
Introduction into Pythagorus might help the audience
I’d have to know that myself in order to teach it. LOL🤣🤣🤣
Question: An Inspector said that we need for the Guard Rail, rail bars with 4" in between.... I see them like you are building, but what is about the Guard Rail with bars every 4"???
Very good question. This is a commercial application so there for it only requires the gaps be 19” or less. For residential they are going to require pickets. Either horizontal or vertical with gaps of 4” or less. Usually when we build residential we make gaps 3.75” or less just to be safe.
Also in residential you have to keep a certain gap under the bottom rail going down steps. A 6” sphere can not pass through the opening
Check out this link and you’ll find a lot of great information. It all sounds overwhelming but once you build a couple you realize there pretty much all the same after that. The only other thing to keep in mind is at the end of the stairs, ramp etc you need a certain length of rail past the very end. Usually 12”
Hope this helps. Thanks so much for watching our channel. Happy New Year.
www.wagnerarchitectural.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Guide-to-Handrail-and-Guard-Rail-Building-Codes-and-Standards-1.pdf
@@MattcoMetalWorks Thank you very much! Awesome info !
What size channel is that?
The Channel we use for these platforms is 12” which is most common for this application.
Have you ever had the angles you just talked about come out opposite?
So the angles would be 56 degrees at the top post and 34 degrees at the bottom post.
I can't say that I have because that would be a really steep set of stairs.....
@@MattcoMetalWorks thanks for the reply I appreciate it.
Alright that’s what I thought to. So where I’m getting goofed up is when I place my angle finder on the top of the top rail I have 56 degrees. Then when I place my angle finder on the bottom of the top rail it is 34 degrees.
This may be a dumb question but does that sound correct or am I completely out of wack. Or could it be that I’m not using my angle finder correctly.
Also the weird thing is that the railing angle looks correct.
If possible could I send you pictures out what I’m talking about?
@@dcwelding348 send me an email and i'll give you my direct number to send pictures and we'll see if we can figure it out
MattcoMetal@gmail.com
How do you find the length for the legs?
So for the end posts those are simple as we miter our corners. They will most often be whatever the rail height is such as 36" or 42" as we have an angle cut on them to meet the horizontal rails
For the mid posts it's a matter of getting the dimension from channel to bottom side of horizontal rail and adding for the cope.
I will try to make a video very soon and actually show you as i know often trying to explain in writing is difficult to get the idea
Hope this helps and thanks for watching
Will get a video made soon
@@MattcoMetalWorks thanks man looking forward to the video
How do you know how long to cut the top rail?
So 90% of the time we just get our top straight section done, then we cut and tack bottom post in place, once you do that you can measure long to long and get your top rail dimension.
Thanks man. I meant the top rail that is angled as you go up and down the stairs.
@@1963SMITTY yes sir that's right. So where that rail hits the top post and bottom post you just have to measure that distance. and when i say long to long i'm referring to the long end of each angle in that case the angels are opposite of each other.
I know that may be confusing
@@MattcoMetalWorks that makes sense. Awesome thanks again!!
That intro though..lol
LOL yea we had a guy make that for us. Definitely gets your attention
Thanks for watching
3-6 top of guard rail 2-10 top of hand rail
Yep we usually shoot for 36” on the grab rail. Although code allows between 34”-38” That gives us a little room to play. We set guardrails at 42”
@@MattcoMetalWorks what about children and women
why the over grinding on the hand rails,wow thats in excess
That’s how we have always done them and will continue to do them. Our customers won’t have it any other way now they know how awesome they look. All smooth and slick. Only pipe rails we don’t grind are aluminum where we lay nice pretty tig welds.
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HOPE YOU DIDNT PAY TOO MUCH FOR THAT FIVERR MUSIC INTRO... LOL!
Hello I’m doing this the rails you other way to doing faster
I’m doing a railing with 1 1/2 flat steel, pipe 1/ 1/2 .
WTF is this intro music? I feel like disobeying authority, and building stuff while being laughed at now
LOL definitely gets your attention doesn't it.
Really your not gonna show us with a tape ..lol
What are you wanting to see??
Cool video cheesy song 🧀 cristian rock but not
LOL i'm not great at adding music yet. That's something ive got to work on. So many of them will flag your videos for copyright infringement
intro song is a fail... "let's whaat?"
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