Nano-tubes are freakishly more expensive than titanium. In fact, in real space missions not even titanium gets selected most of the time due to its high price.
“I am, and ever will be, a white socks, pocket protector, nerdy engineer - born under the second law of thermodynamics, steeped in steam tables, in love with free-body diagrams, transformed by Laplace, and propelled by compressible flow. And I take substantial pride in the accomplishments of my profession. Science is about what is, engineering is about what can be.” - Neil Armstrong, February 2000
I'm an engineer. an engineers job is so far from semi skilled. it is a direct insult to anyone who went through the hell that is an engineering degree.
nanotubes are a coating not a material, if they meant carbon fibre theyre still wrong in this application because it 's compressive strength and brittleness which matters, of which titanium is far better for that application, it's also way easier to work with
I study Physics in grad school and some of my fellow students are engineers that I respect. Regardless, the truth of the matter comes down to mathematicians and philosophers and that puts the debate to rest in my mind.
The scientist vs engineer debate is stupid, they both have their own, very important separate functions. Without physicists, engineers wouldn't be able to create ANYTHING, since their work is based on physical discoveries and principles. Without engineers, we could know so many things about the universe, but we wouldn't be able to use it for anything. Both are very important. Let's all keep this in mind: None of them could create ANYTHING without the discoveries of mathematicians :)
Mathematicians provide the tools to understand any idea, no matter how abstract. Physicists apply them to understand our reality and provide answers as to why anything works, engineers learn from them to shape our reality and provide physical tools to further probe reality and aid physicists.
People who enter into STEM like Engineers and Scientists are all smart. I just think its priorities that leads them to the two different professions. One set aims at building up on their intellect and attaining the ultimate understanding and the other set uses their smarts to earn money and lead a well paid life. I wouldn't judge either motive as better than the other
Except, you know, some engineers do actually do it to build their intellect and gain understanding. Yes, unlike physics you have the option to leave academia, join the private sector, and make bank, but there are plenty of engineering academics and researchers.
When I was in High School the school actively did there best to make it clear STEM classes where meant primarily for the girls and if you where a boy interested in any of the advanced classes the counselors would try to deter you for signing up, unless it was a state mandatory class like algebra or biology. There reasoning was women are minorities in STEM professions so interested females in high school should take priority to help increase the numbers of professional Female STEM works. Did not realize until after high school, just how sexist the school was actually being.
I have a better quote for you! "A scientist can discover a new star, but he cannot make one. He would have to ask an engineer to do that." Gordon L. Glegg Engineering Rocks!!!
Lucas Morais without engineers, scientists are just people who know stuff but without scientist's, engineers are just people who can build stuff so what I am trying to say is that both are important
They're probably using Titanium as it has a higher melting point than carbon nanotubes, although they haven't been fully tested. That could be another reason itself.
Theoretical physics mainly exists to satisfy curiosity. And that's what Sheldon cares the most about. Satisfying his burning curiosity about the hidden secrets of the universe. Doing something *practical* with said secrets doesn't matter so much to him. It's all about curiosity.
Theoretical scientists have no interest in solving practical real-world problems. The real world is boring for them. If their work has indirect real-world applications, that's a "nice to have". But their primary motivation is answering abstract questions about the universe. It's a purely intellectual and curious pursuit. They'd do it even if it paid a low salary.
Other than the hotness that is Kaley Cuoco there wasn't anything I found worth watching on BBT but I was aware of it being a very popular show and I had seen Sheldon's umpa lumpa Engineer reference mentioned in popular culture. It always made me chuckle as Sheldon I believe was a Physicist on the show. In my undergrad Engineering College a few of us in one of the computer labs "got our hands on" the incoming freshmen SAT scores and we sorted them by declared major. Tellingly the two lowest avg. SAT scores were Education and Journalism. The top score went to Engineering with Physics majors a very close second (a Ph.D. Aerospace/Computer Engineer who works for a large American defense contractor's Missile Systems company.
For beginners: Engineering is not a science nor an engineer is to be called a scientist. They only use the scientific knowledge, know it, and use it to build things.
C'mon, commentors! We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves. Let's put aside our differences, recognize that we all respect the principles of science, then go out and beat up some theologians.
@@amateruss There are also some passion full engineers like Nikola Tesla, The Wright Brothers who set a giant step in the discoveries of something unexpected. I mean RESEARCH ENGINEERS are also there in the hierarchy of ENGINEERING.
( 1:31 - 1:40 ) Howard: Yeah, and you have several letters from your grandma who calls you an equally embarrassing name… Moon Pie. 😏 Sheldon: (Twitches) No one calls me Moon Pie but MEEMAW! 😡
Aaron Meyer Sheldon doesn’t care about money and neither do most physicists. And tenured physics professors at top universities make 150-200k usually. Still good money.
Sheldon does live in a dream world. Carbon nanotubes are still very much on the bleeding edge. And in theory they should be cheaper. But currently they are still one of the most expensive substances on the planet Earth. Or for all intensive purposes the universe. And I'm sure I could come up with a few more reasons. But I feel like the astronomical cost of carbon nanotubes themselves that would be prohibitive.
Vasanth S But many of the greatest inventions by engineers have required at least some scientific foundation from a scientist. Let's just agree, without arguing, that both are hugely important in numerous aspects.
@eothel during the 19th century, engineers focused their efforts to help better serve the economy, while scientists chose to try and increase their intellects; that's badically how the deviation started to become more apparent.
1:31 he's right. A wrong idea with not correct logic is wrong. Wrong whether or not it's proposed by someone with a master's degree or a kindergartener. The universe does not care about human social ideas and human "authority."
If this thing really had to go into space and be attached to a sensor array, it would have been in a clean room. Aalso any composite would likely have a much higher outgassing rate than titanium, which can contaminate the sensors.
You can spin nano tubes into strands and strings, the problem is that they are not cheap and ultimately would need to be made like carbon fiber to serve as a strong structural material. However, radiation and exposure to vacuum might require coatings to protect it so it's not only more expensive but likely less suited for a part meant to sit outside the space station.
money is not important when you are uncovering secrets of the universe, meanwhile engineers don't care about that and begrudgingly work in little cubicles for a pay check.
Thats true, but enginners are oompa loopmas is like the arquitects and civil inginners, the arquitects are more famous and keep all the credits after they make a big construction like airport or fancy biuldings thats why enginners are oompa loopas.
Are you the guy from University of Pennsylvania majored in mechanical engineering 2011-2015 and now a software engineer at Amazon. Worked previously in spaceX.
People keep saying that this show goes out of the way to mock engineers. People do realize we are not meant to sympathize with Sheldon and his views right?
For R&D, both PhD in Physics and Engineering will be of the same status and make more or less the same money. However, outside of R&D, a doctorate in Engineering is far better, even a masters in Engineering will be better than having a doctorate in Physics.
I always root for Howard and have some kind of angriness when Sheldon belittles Engineers. I am not that smart a person myself. Till my 10th, I just thought pi was 22/7.
as a decently intelligent guy, i would say engineering is at an entirely different level of thought process. i think its very comical to even contemplate how brainy scientist can possibly believe there fancy degree on the wall and pricey schooling amount to anything other then conjecture and brain fucking. its the equivalent of a color designer stating that they are far more important then a concept artist. exactly.
@TheWrathfulHippie It means I already know the difference between relevant presentation of theories or fact and meaningless mention of the stuff as junk/pop science.
Is it bad that I actually agree with Sheldon? That’s why I wanted to study physics instead of engineering. And even that feels too much like the work of Oompa-Loompas to me because of all the lab assignments which is why I now want to study mathematics instead.
So many jealous scientists here. Its much easier to get a degree in science than engineering, even though they are both considered a science degree. Enjoy your low paying job and continue dreaming about discovering anything important in your lives.
sounds like engineers like you are more jealous lol. physicists will always be more respected. engineers are a dime a dozen, and because of that, they don't really get paid well.
Nano-tubes are freakishly more expensive than titanium. In fact, in real space missions not even titanium gets selected most of the time due to its high price.
Well it's easier to get things done on a board or a thesis than in the real world.. 😂
That's the joke: physicists don't know about the cost concerns engineers have to weigh out when designing
Thanks for info. , I thought Sheldon was right since they made him to be such a genius
his talking about bulk no?
I just came to look for this clarification😂
Oompa loompas of science still gets me😂
Pause
That’s what she said, or he said.
I'm like 129 and yes very funny
Wait, when did nanotubes become cheaper to manufacture than titanium?
"Hello Oompa Loompas of science" haha
“I am, and ever will be, a white socks, pocket protector, nerdy engineer - born under the second law of thermodynamics, steeped in steam tables, in love with free-body diagrams, transformed by Laplace, and propelled by compressible flow. And I take substantial pride in the accomplishments of my profession. Science is about what is, engineering is about what can be.”
- Neil Armstrong, February 2000
BOILER UPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm an engineer. an engineers job is so far from semi skilled. it is a direct insult to anyone who went through the hell that is an engineering degree.
yeah, that's what makes it funny.
Cujoman123 hello ompa lompa of science
Yeah weather dude
very humple
Well Sheldon is a egomaniac.
actually, aren't carbon nanotubes A LOT more expensive than titanium?
ds7202 I know right that's what I was thinking 😂😂😆
ds7202 incredibly so and not that much stronger
ds7202 and according to wikapidea flamible
Hence the difference between a physicist and an engineer.
@@adampalmer7387 Wouldn't trust anything Wikapidea tells you. It's completely full of crap now and have been for so many years.
nanotubes are a coating not a material, if they meant carbon fibre theyre still wrong in this application because it 's compressive strength and brittleness which matters, of which titanium is far better for that application, it's also way easier to work with
I miss those days I wish I could go back then in time and relive all these years again having my present conciousness🤞🔙⏳🤞
"Uh huh....so it's a shelf." LMAO
1:30 the way Sheldon says it haha 😂
I study Physics in grad school and some of my fellow students are engineers that I respect. Regardless, the truth of the matter comes down to mathematicians and philosophers and that puts the debate to rest in my mind.
Actually, Philosophy is the Basis of STEM in it's totality.
I want to know where Sheldon gets his nano-tube prices from
Nathan Dance U do realise that this is a show. It's fiction. They're not gonna always get everything right.
And u do realize that his comment is 5 years old? And checking prices for things takes like 1 second on the internet...
HolyLagg 6 year old.
@@dannyakins8742 hello
@@Extremebananalover dudes nanotubes aren't cheap 8 years after this question, I wonder who will answer in 10 years.
Mostly reinforced carbon fiber layered material is used, most of the racing car bodies and space shuttle structure are made.
Sheldon.
Yes?
GO AWAY!
Did Leonard tell you to say that?
XD
I like to be an ompa loompa. :P
Man Howard is such a mommas boy lol
Fruit loops.
This show is so crazy different from how engineers are in the real world.
engineer's here is hug from a physicist
I m an engineer and its funny :D
1:25 That mean Howard is Discipline in his Freshman year and following Professor's though
The scientist vs engineer debate is stupid, they both have their own, very important separate functions.
Without physicists, engineers wouldn't be able to create ANYTHING, since their work is based on physical discoveries and principles.
Without engineers, we could know so many things about the universe, but we wouldn't be able to use it for anything.
Both are very important.
Let's all keep this in mind: None of them could create ANYTHING without the discoveries of mathematicians :)
Mathematicians provide the tools to understand any idea, no matter how abstract. Physicists apply them to understand our reality and provide answers as to why anything works, engineers learn from them to shape our reality and provide physical tools to further probe reality and aid physicists.
I’m a chemist. I just make potions and set fire to stuff whilst everyone argues
I'm a major in math and I agree with this. Hahahaha.
So,
mathematicians make tools, and
physicists find the purpose of those tools, so that
engineers can use the tools?
Engineers are the ones who created the field of thermodynamics. Apparently without physicists engineers have created something
People who enter into STEM like Engineers and Scientists are all smart. I just think its priorities that leads them to the two different professions. One set aims at building up on their intellect and attaining the ultimate understanding and the other set uses their smarts to earn money and lead a well paid life. I wouldn't judge either motive as better than the other
Except, you know, some engineers do actually do it to build their intellect and gain understanding. Yes, unlike physics you have the option to leave academia, join the private sector, and make bank, but there are plenty of engineering academics and researchers.
@@ThomasMBlank Nowadays, because of Neoliberalism, people have no choice but to take up Engineering.
When I was in High School the school actively did there best to make it clear STEM classes where meant primarily for the girls and if you where a boy interested in any of the advanced classes the counselors would try to deter you for signing up, unless it was a state mandatory class like algebra or biology.
There reasoning was women are minorities in STEM professions so interested females in high school should take priority to help increase the numbers of professional Female STEM works.
Did not realize until after high school, just how sexist the school was actually being.
Except academic engineers like Howard who work in a university lab instead of the private sector. Howard most likely makes a little less than Sheldon.
"How are two Ding Dongs tomorrow gonna help me today?"
I have a better quote for you!
"A scientist can discover a new star, but he cannot make one. He would have to ask an engineer to do that."
Gordon L. Glegg
Engineering Rocks!!!
Of course we can make one we just don't wanna get our hands dirty
well, but engineers needs science to do things :)
Lucas Morais without engineers, scientists are just people who know stuff but without scientist's, engineers are just people who can build stuff so what I am trying to say is that both are important
Engineers invent all the things scientists use to do stuff
Lucas Morais everyone does? your statement makes no sense
They're probably using Titanium as it has a higher melting point than carbon nanotubes, although they haven't been fully tested. That could be another reason itself.
Now that we have seen what happened to Titan, I wonder how are his thought about the carbon nanotubes vs Titanium ?
Physicists get ideas, engineers execute them.
Theoretical physics mainly exists to satisfy curiosity. And that's what Sheldon cares the most about. Satisfying his burning curiosity about the hidden secrets of the universe. Doing something *practical* with said secrets doesn't matter so much to him. It's all about curiosity.
Theoretical scientists have no interest in solving practical real-world problems. The real world is boring for them. If their work has indirect real-world applications, that's a "nice to have". But their primary motivation is answering abstract questions about the universe. It's a purely intellectual and curious pursuit. They'd do it even if it paid a low salary.
He went full detail to explain his experiment but its easier to just say he made a shelf
Other than the hotness that is Kaley Cuoco there wasn't anything I found worth watching on BBT but I was aware of it being a very popular show and I had seen Sheldon's umpa lumpa Engineer reference mentioned in popular culture. It always made me chuckle as Sheldon I believe was a Physicist on the show. In my undergrad Engineering College a few of us in one of the computer labs "got our hands on" the incoming freshmen SAT scores and we sorted them by declared major. Tellingly the two lowest avg. SAT scores were Education and Journalism. The top score went to Engineering with Physics majors a very close second (a Ph.D. Aerospace/Computer Engineer who works for a large American defense contractor's Missile Systems company.
🤓🤓
For beginners:
Engineering is not a science nor an engineer is to be called a scientist.
They only use the scientific knowledge, know it, and use it to build things.
Hence the title, the Umpa Lumpas of science.
engineering is technical science
C'mon, commentors! We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves. Let's put aside our differences, recognize that we all respect the principles of science, then go out
and beat up some theologians.
Engineers dream too! ;A;
Dream of money. They just wait for scientists to advance so they can borrow the knowledge.
@@amateruss There are also some passion full engineers like Nikola Tesla, The Wright Brothers who set a giant step in the discoveries of something unexpected. I mean RESEARCH ENGINEERS are also there in the hierarchy of ENGINEERING.
Raj: "Go away!"
( 1:31 - 1:40 )
Howard: Yeah, and you have several letters from your grandma who calls you an equally embarrassing name… Moon Pie. 😏
Sheldon: (Twitches) No one calls me Moon Pie but MEEMAW! 😡
I just looked it up, and the cheapest price for 1kg of Carbon Nanotubes its $200, while 1kg of Titanium is $10 to $15.
@MyIQis0 True, and I don't see why sheldon is so arrogant about being a physicist... he's no mathematician after all.
limetang Actually, the show has proven time and again that he's an excellent mathematician
Daniel Akinsola he’s not a trained mathematician. He would likely not be able to publish in pure math journals. Perhaps applied math journals.
He also doesn't make as much as an engineer
Aaron Meyer Sheldon doesn’t care about money and neither do most physicists. And tenured physics professors at top universities make 150-200k usually. Still good money.
But physics is much harder than math 🤦🏻♀️
Lot of butthurt people here, get over it...it's just humor.
xXxBladeStormxXx these people are future engineers. Haha what an irony
It's just a Sheldon thing.
kshitiz rimal I see more butthurt and pathetic scientists here who need to degrade other people
Nikola tesla was an electrical/ mechanical engineering... as far as I know sheldon look up to nikola tesla.
Sheldon does live in a dream world. Carbon nanotubes are still very much on the bleeding edge. And in theory they should be cheaper. But currently they are still one of the most expensive substances on the planet Earth. Or for all intensive purposes the universe. And I'm sure I could come up with a few more reasons. But I feel like the astronomical cost of carbon nanotubes themselves that would be prohibitive.
actually antimatter might claim the title for most expensive substances on the planet earth
Drive up every day and look at that shelf, sports fanatic. Chess.
The talented Mr. MarioKart.
Howard's ma forgot to give him ding dongs snack cakes
scientist just discovers....
but
engineers can invent it.....
Vasanth S Theoretical physicists have been inventing so many theories
Vasanth S But many of the greatest inventions by engineers have required at least some scientific foundation from a scientist. Let's just agree, without arguing, that both are hugely important in numerous aspects.
Vasanth S oompah loompah of science.
I'm an architect... I just face my condition. Ofcourse mathematicians are in the highest rank. Let's just do what we enjoy doing.
Engineering ❤️🔧⚙️🤖
@eothel during the 19th century, engineers focused their efforts to help better serve the economy, while scientists chose to try and increase their intellects; that's badically how the deviation started to become more apparent.
1:31 he's right. A wrong idea with not correct logic is wrong. Wrong whether or not it's proposed by someone with a master's degree or a kindergartener.
The universe does not care about human social ideas and human "authority."
but for a shelf wouldnt you need to worry about compressive and shear strength rather than tensile???
I’m an engineer this is great!!😂😂😂
I am myself not very smart as a kid. I used to think pi was just 22/7 for years.
So funny. The writers flubbed up. They probably meant carbon fiber and not nano tubes.
andyt1313 no carbon nanotubes do exist and are extremely strong
Yeah but you cant make a shelf out of them since they are one dimensional objects
And even if it's carbon fiber it's way more expensive than titanium
If this thing really had to go into space and be attached to a sensor array, it would have been in a clean room. Aalso any composite would likely have a much higher outgassing rate than titanium, which can contaminate the sensors.
You can spin nano tubes into strands and strings, the problem is that they are not cheap and ultimately would need to be made like carbon fiber to serve as a strong structural material. However, radiation and exposure to vacuum might require coatings to protect it so it's not only more expensive but likely less suited for a part meant to sit outside the space station.
They still get paid the most, lol look it up on payscale.
+serpentphoenix Politicians also get paid a lot of money , that doesn't prove that they are smart :D
Another ignorant guy.
serpentphoenix it's not about the pay Sheldons not arguing about pay in this entire video watch it again before you comment lol
Who cares who's smarter? Money's all that matters in the end.
money is not important when you are uncovering secrets of the universe, meanwhile engineers don't care about that and begrudgingly work in little cubicles for a pay check.
I remember this part
...no.
and here we have the fan base of the Big Bang Theory.
Thats true, but enginners are oompa loopmas is like the arquitects and civil inginners, the arquitects are more famous and keep all the credits after they make a big construction like airport or fancy biuldings thats why enginners are oompa loopas.
Oompa loompas of science... 😄😄😄
booballa!!!!! im naming my kid BOOBALLA!!!! :D
I think he meant carbon fiber - not carbon nano tubes. Either way, this is show so I don’t take it too seriously.
Food let loose in this lab seems unwise
This might be a good time for me to reconsider my major?
Did you do it?
Bruhhhh what happened ?
Are you the guy from University of Pennsylvania majored in mechanical engineering 2011-2015 and now a software engineer at Amazon. Worked previously in spaceX.
I have always said, and ever shall, engineers have no humor
what's the episode ???
Nanotubes over Titanium XD
It appears Sheldon forgot Tesla was an engineer too
Gotta love Sheldon
People keep saying that this show goes out of the way to mock engineers. People do realize we are not meant to sympathize with Sheldon and his views right?
Ya.. insult.. that is what it was meant for..
Thats waht they want to think.
Im not an Americian, can anyone tell me what is oompa loompa?
jacky sung well, its kinda late but oompa loompas are strange little creatures that look like humans from charlie and the chocolate factory.
GG AWAY! 😅😅😅
Love reading comments from people getting butthurt over a video of fictional characters.
A phd in Engineering vs A phd in physics?
Which has more value ???
a wwe heavyweight championship
Phd in physics especially in theoretical physics
For R&D, both PhD in Physics and Engineering will be of the same status and make more or less the same money. However, outside of R&D, a doctorate in Engineering is far better, even a masters in Engineering will be better than having a doctorate in Physics.
Shelf the Big bang theory Howard wolowitz Sheldon Cooper ( esa - engineer )
I always root for Howard and have some kind of angriness when Sheldon belittles Engineers. I am not that smart a person myself. Till my 10th, I just thought pi was 22/7.
That's coz ur from India and many people take up engineering in India since in India it can provide a quick job.
Wait it's not 24/7?
This comment section is a nerdriwn
if engineers are oompa loompas what does that make most people?
scientist dream
engineers make dreams come true
Umpa Lumpas unite!
juho aalto we must unite
Scientists lead, engineers manage.
@TheWrathfulHippie "character comedy"
>_>
alright you're right.
hippie.
I'll have that one on you.
or stronger in large quantities
Go away!
@Vlakpage how do I have an ego problem when I never mentioned myself in my comment?
as a decently intelligent guy, i would say engineering is at an entirely different level of thought process. i think its very comical to even contemplate how brainy scientist can possibly believe there fancy degree on the wall and pricey schooling amount to anything other then conjecture and brain fucking. its the equivalent of a color designer stating that they are far more important then a concept artist.
exactly.
Ryan Soloway okay, Oompa Loompa of science!
Still is nothing compared to science. Take 200 level math courses and be an engineer. Haha
Ryan Soloway No it isn't. Oompa loompa
without engineering physics is just a philosophy.
Kavan Kachoria No it's a science. Engineering is easy than science never mind mathematics.
So true.
what episode is that? season?
Which season nd episode ???
Which episode is this
nah ,i thought of that all myself .... haha ,howard ,
@TheWrathfulHippie It means I already know the difference between relevant presentation of theories or fact and meaningless mention of the stuff as junk/pop science.
Is it bad that I actually agree with Sheldon? That’s why I wanted to study physics instead of engineering. And even that feels too much like the work of Oompa-Loompas to me because of all the lab assignments which is why I now want to study mathematics instead.
Hahahaha 😂
why are all the nerds in tbbt dwarves?
Nathan Dance They're not. Jim Parsons(Sheldon) is just really tall
which Ep. is this pls?
Season 1 episode 12
Engineers have been always on the upper side, unless you're taking about geniuses, then their aren't many of those.
I hope you're not an engineer.
As someone who's not an engineer, I strongly believe that we should officially change the title of Engineer to Oompa Loompa of Science.
@shadowscythe1989 I noticed that haha.
Most of the time... scientists are people who couldnt get in engineering college...
What is a ding dong?
it's like a tiny chocolate cake with a cream filling
@redteamdarkspear without engineers, scientists can continue dreaming forever :)
So many jealous scientists here. Its much easier to get a degree in science than engineering, even though they are both considered a science degree. Enjoy your low paying job and continue dreaming about discovering anything important in your lives.
sounds like engineers like you are more jealous lol. physicists will always be more respected. engineers are a dime a dozen, and because of that, they don't really get paid well.
Unknown Nigga engineers get paid more than physicists. I have no idea what you mean.
I hate engineers like you who think they are much better than physicists!
Lol really? Taking 200 level math courses makes you an engineer and you still think you guys can beat science? 😂
John Waas Money has nothing to do with this conversation.
Lol