Come back in april. Memphis buyout drops to 17.9 million. Pac needs to offer 9 million on the buyout. Then you get Memphis. Think about it Gonzaga Memphis SD ST Colorado st Utah st Wazzou Oregon st Boise. GOOD CBB!
I don’t think Sac State solves the requirement for 8 football members by 2026. They could be a longer term solution to get to 9 or 10 football members in the future, but the PAC needs to add someone who is already FBS to fill the required 8th slot by 2026.
If Sacramento State brings good value to your Media rights deal then they should be considered! Good media market, has access to Golden 1 center for Basketball games and is scheduled to build a new 25,000 seat stadium. Current one already holds 21,000.
Memphis would be ideal, but of the 3 that you mentioned. I think Sacramento State. of the 4 that you mentioned, I suspect Texas State. However, this only what I believe would happen, not what I think should happen. You're right about Las Vegas short-sightedness, but they have been terrible in football for so long, that I don't think that they imagine that they are good enough to compete in the PAC.
@@1speedracer3_51 Memphis is not making it into the SEC. Maybe Tulane as a former member - but likely not. Tulane is going to the ACC with Rice, USF, UConn. Memphis will be either Big12 or PacX.
@Bill-c8r thank you. Jeez Memphis has been passed over enough. Im tired of people trying to build a latter over Memphis because of the cities issues! Stop punishing the school because of its surroundings. Its gotten very old!
As a Fresno state fan, Sac state would be a horrendous addition! The whole point of leaving the MW was to get away from the bottom feeder of the conference like Nevada Reno and New Mexico State. Sac state would devalue the new Pac and give it more of a G6 image that we are trying to get away from.
As a Fresno State fan as well, I hated that Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA thought they were always better than Fresno State. If given da money those schools got or even given a shot, I know Fresno State will hold its own. If Sac. State is willing to put up the money to improve their teams then let them in. What u don't want is a school who is in your league and doesn't want to spend money.
Agree, but there is some talk going around that the new Media deal partners might be on board with Sac St. if they can somehow boost the media deal instead of hurting it (like we would expect), and Sac ponies up some $$$ to help with other Pac fees, then It might be ok.
I think it is likely that Sac State will be nextf for the Pac 12. Memphis and Tulane will come but not until 2027 when the exit fees from their conference drop significantly. I like Sac State because of the potential of that program but yes they will come in as a project in the FBS.
Long term (10+ years down the road) UC Davis and Sac State could be good additions in the next round of conference shuffling, once they’ve proven themselves in the MW and have become solid FBS brands, but not now. Hope they do well and grow as programs but no way would they be joining the Pac-12 at this stage
@@agnosticsaint I agree, all of those are great reasons not to add Sac State right now. But their administration has an appetite for growth in the long term. They can raise 50M for NIL with all of those drawbacks, they have additional plans to renovate the football stadium and basketball arena, and they are working on raising the standard of academics for the university as well (though with the SEC in comparison let’s not pretend that’s a concern for college sports) if they can knock all of these off, in ten years they could be a compelling expansion target for the next conference realignment.
@@Mr.Ed_Wayner They don't offer anything brand wise to the PAC, though. PAC wants to be the best non power conference, if even trying to be as good as the ACC. They're not getting that from any of those teams. Texas st could be a good infill as a team that has been investing heavily and is in a big market.
Good point! PAC 12 will probably bring in at least two more schools. So Sac State with their regional ties, large media market and NIL fund raising could make them a good add. Pac 12 really need to do their due diligence on what SAC’s probable future NIL money will be like.
@ryansuter4424 I have no doubt more than one school will be added, I would say at least 9 football playing schools will make up the conference and maybe more. If there smart there probably talking to companies that might have media rights and see what there thoughts are to maximize their media rights payout
The NEXT addition will likely be Texas State. Maybe they also add NMSt, but not before exploring multiple others, including: AAC schools Toledo AppSt Marshall Ohio UConn (ask again) Texas State Maybe: Ga State Coastal Carolina Possibly: FIU and NMSt NMSt is way down the list with FIU but does have the advantage of being geographically closer, yet far from the West coast (but is still in Mountain Standard Time Zone, not Central Time Zone).
The PAC should just merge with the AAC. First truly coast to coast conference with 4 time zones. More TV slots will especially the 12 noon EST window will get everyone more money. As of right now the AAC is arguably stronger than the PAC. Merging would be an upgrade
Pretty sure that would be a great idea, but media partners that will be paying $20M per school will not want schools like East Carolina, Charlotte, Temple, & UAB.
@ according to a CNBC College athletics study, ECU is a top 75 school in value. Ahead Memphis and USF. 50,000 seat on campus stadium (largest outside the P4) and an incredibly large and loyal fanbase all up and down the east coast. Y’all west coasters should do more research next time. ECU is by far one of the most valuable G5 schools in the nation
@@htvlogs80ECU has good media numbers, what are you smokin’ ? Temple has just as good of media numbers as USF, as does Coastal Carolina - all just as good or better than UNLV.
@@curveball135Not really. ECU is probably the 7th or 8th best option for the PAC 7 at this point. Your tv market and airport are serious drawbacks. You have a very good FB program however.
Mountain west keeps turning into FCS confrence eventually UNLV will bolt. Memphis, Unlv, tulane, utsa all will join by 2031 unless a better option happens for memphis and tulane
@amac701 sac st needs to head to the MW. so does grand canyon and whoever else beneath the mountain west thinks they should be in the pac. The schools that left to join wazzou and Oregon st carry was better preception nationally than the mountain west. UNLV should've left. MW and AAC and Mac and sunbelt, and CUSA are not good! None of them. They are on the wrong side of the mud slide. Atleast the pac has jumped off the ground and is mid air with no certainty! All those other confrences will be buried in rubble and burned to ash by the hot lava. The tsunami is coming and those waves will destroy college athletics. There is 1 boat with 64 to 75 teams that'll live on and it's all up to the networks not the confrences, presidents, or A.Ds!
Sac St would be a huge compromise and a big letdown. Pac has to position itself as the undisputed G6 conference leader. Sac St does nothing to add any value.
OK why don’t they send out an invite to North Dakota State, South Dakota State and Montana State all three of those teams were just in the FCS playoffs. North Dakota State won the championship. Montana State was undefeated until they played North Dakota state you want to bring in a school like Sacramento state which hasn’t done anything the last time I really checked in the FCS so why don’t you bring over some real teams that deserve to be in the FBS
The pac hasn’t done anything about their hubris issue, they decided to cut off the “deadbeats” in the MWC for a reason, they see them more as liabilities. At this point the pac has dug themselves into a whole since they won’t take any FCs or any FBs they deem “unworthy.”
The chances of Stanford and Cal leaving the ACC for a league with less than half the media revenue and mediocre academics are about zero. No one in the current or projected PAC- whatever number is a remote peer of those Universities.
UNLV commits legal and financial suicide in an attempt to leave the MWC. There is absolutely ZERO incentive to leave, they are now in a position to be a perennial conference champion.
The only wild card in the equation for them is whether or not the MWC can make good on it's cash promise to UNLV. With the departure and poaching fees in dispute right now, the MWC may not be able to honor it's agreement if the fees are considerably less than projected.
Good take; there are other good options as well, cumulative options, like Toledo, AppSt, Marshall, Ohio, UConn, FIU, Ga State, Coastal Carolina, La Tech.
Doubtful at this point that AAC schools are looking to go so far west, the PAC tv deal would have to be incredible (+$12 mil per school) for them to leave. That and the ACC still looks like its in tough times, and I am sure that AAC schools would prefer to go that route rather than a G6 league. Sac state would be a great get for either league, but until the hubris of the PAC wears off I am holding my breath that they take them.
Surprisingly a Team with many wins against Ranked opponents. Wins against SEC And upset bids against ND,Alabama, Miami U. Had the Only 3 year starter to go Undefeated in Div 1 history 35-0 1969-1971 From The MAC to the PAC…Toledo 🥳
Toledo is a good choice, along with AppSt, Marshall, Ohio, UConn (try again) and Texas State, maybe Ga State and Coastal Carolina, possibly FIU, then get the media contract that solidly beats AAC, then go after AAC schools: Tulane, ECU, Memphis, USF, UT-SA, UNT, maybe Rice & Tulsa.
Cal and Stanford will be back in the pac 12 is my bet at some point, they will find the travel to be excessive. PAC needs a couple more major football schools if they really want to be stable. Maybe a couple teams that get dissatisfied with the Big 12 or see a better path to the playoffs in the Pac 12. I Thank that may happen.
You act like Aztec is power house in football, 3-6 just as same as UTEP, even sac state cud beat the Aztec. Power house ya, and basketball not good this year either. Get in your mind your not as good as anybody the the west
@ I understand that but I think a lot of fans, especially Boise State fans were expecting when they first joined to finally have power5 status but as these weaker teams keep joining it’s turning into MWC 2.0 or even worse WAC 2.0
@@calvinmarshall4686 Honestly, the majority of Boise State fans that I talk to have never said that it was going to be a power conference, just that it's going to be better than the current conference they are in. The teams leaving for the PAC account for a combined total of 17 MWC conference titles in football. The entire remaining line up for the MWC accounts for just 1 (San Jose State won the short COVID season in 2020). Both on field and off field a lot of dead weight is being jettisoned by leaving the MWC and putting them in a position to be the best of the conferences outside of the P4.
Sac State won't get them to the required membership needed because they won't have time to become a full FBS member before the Pac's waiver ends. Memphis and Tulane are waiting for the Big 12 or SEC. They're not going to get tied up in the Pac long term. Texas State has already said no. I think it's probably time to start talking to New Mexico State or maybe Sam Houston.
Come back in april. Memphis buyout drops to 17.9 million. Pac needs to offer 9 million on the buyout. Then you get Memphis. Think about it
Gonzaga
Memphis
SD ST
Colorado st
Utah st
Wazzou
Oregon st
Boise.
GOOD CBB!
Memphis wants to move to the big 12 it’s the only thing that makes sense for them travel wise
@robertofraire4102 yormark doesn't want us. I feel like the X12 should add uconn, unlv, Memphis and Tulane.
@@scottyking7161 Memphis to the big twelve makes sense in every sport
@@robertofraire4102 yeah. But yormark passed us up. He's a douch. He sticks his nose up at us
@scotyyking7161 you forgot Fresno State which is also Pac12.
I don’t think Sac State solves the requirement for 8 football members by 2026. They could be a longer term solution to get to 9 or 10 football members in the future, but the PAC needs to add someone who is already FBS to fill the required 8th slot by 2026.
Maybe Sac State will be prepared in 2028. Make Memphis, Tulane, USF and Texas State a better offer
Pac-12 options are limited. They
will be fortunate to get Texas State.
If Sacramento State brings good value to your Media rights deal then they should be considered! Good media market, has access to Golden 1 center for Basketball games and is scheduled to build a new 25,000 seat stadium. Current one already holds 21,000.
What about New Mexico State for the PAC
Memphis would be ideal, but of the 3 that you mentioned. I think Sacramento State. of the 4 that you mentioned, I suspect Texas State. However, this only what I believe would happen, not what I think should happen. You're right about Las Vegas short-sightedness, but they have been terrible in football for so long, that I don't think that they imagine that they are good enough to compete in the PAC.
Why not all three?
Memphis will only come w/ Tulane...travel partner.
Potentially
Why would they negotiate a lateral move from the AAC to the PAC when they are shooting for the SEC or Big 12?
@@1speedracer3_51 Memphis is not making it into the SEC. Maybe Tulane as a former member - but likely not. Tulane is going to the ACC with Rice, USF, UConn.
Memphis will be either Big12 or PacX.
Memphis and Tulane also brings in central time zone. Helps with ratings and Pac exposure.
So does Texas State, as well as La Tech.
@CharlesFosterMalloy low major is not what the Pac needs. Hence. No texas state or tec.
@@CharlesFosterMalloy🤮
@Bill-c8r thank you. Jeez Memphis has been passed over enough. Im tired of people trying to build a latter over Memphis because of the cities issues! Stop punishing the school because of its surroundings. Its gotten very old!
As a Fresno state fan, Sac state would be a horrendous addition! The whole point of leaving the MW was to get away from the bottom feeder of the conference like Nevada Reno and New Mexico State. Sac state would devalue the new Pac and give it more of a G6 image that we are trying to get away from.
As a Fresno State fan as well, I hated that Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA thought they were always better than Fresno State. If given da money those schools got or even given a shot, I know Fresno State will hold its own.
If Sac. State is willing to put up the money to improve their teams then let them in.
What u don't want is a school who is in your league and doesn't want to spend money.
@@stevenandrewsolis2729 unlike Fresno State or Boise Sac State hasn’t proven themselves on a MWc to move up.
Agree, but there is some talk going around that the new Media deal partners might be on board with Sac St. if they can somehow boost the media deal instead of hurting it (like we would expect), and Sac ponies up some $$$ to help with other Pac fees, then It might be ok.
Lol imagine thinking the PAC will be anything other than a G6 league, the delusions are crazy.
NMSt is NOT in the MWC and NMSt might get added to the PacX.
Memphis, Tulane, Texas State to get a foothold in Texas.
lol, you aren't getting a toehold in Texas.
@@Gringo-Billy WTF are kidding besides yourself ?
@CharlesFosterMalloy If you think Texas State is more than a fart in the wind in the state of Texas, I don't know what I can tell you.
@@Gringo-Billylol, we can’t all be UT
@wjsIII Thank god for that, AggieCult is even weirder, lol.
I think it is likely that Sac State will be nextf for the Pac 12. Memphis and Tulane will come but not until 2027 when the exit fees from their conference drop significantly. I like Sac State because of the potential of that program but yes they will come in as a project in the FBS.
Long term (10+ years down the road) UC Davis and Sac State could be good additions in the next round of conference shuffling, once they’ve proven themselves in the MW and have become solid FBS brands, but not now. Hope they do well and grow as programs but no way would they be joining the Pac-12 at this stage
Sac State brings what? An okay football program. The rest of the athletic programs are afterthoughts and the academics are less than mediocre.
@@agnosticsaint I agree, all of those are great reasons not to add Sac State right now. But their administration has an appetite for growth in the long term. They can raise 50M for NIL with all of those drawbacks, they have additional plans to renovate the football stadium and basketball arena, and they are working on raising the standard of academics for the university as well (though with the SEC in comparison let’s not pretend that’s a concern for college sports) if they can knock all of these off, in ten years they could be a compelling expansion target for the next conference realignment.
New mex St, txst or sam houston, maybe one of the Louisiana schools and a fcs team down the line
Texas State and La Tech would not be a bad set to add. It could get done fast and easy.
TX ST, Sam Houston & La Tech or Louisiana Lafayette make the most sense. That give the PAC-12 10 teams.
@@Mr.Ed_Wayner They don't offer anything brand wise to the PAC, though. PAC wants to be the best non power conference, if even trying to be as good as the ACC. They're not getting that from any of those teams. Texas st could be a good infill as a team that has been investing heavily and is in a big market.
Why does everyone keep saying Sac St , they don't solve the 8 full time members that is required for the 2026 season to be a conference .
Good point! PAC 12 will probably bring in at least two more schools. So Sac State with their regional ties, large media market and NIL fund raising could make them a good add. Pac 12 really need to do their due diligence on what SAC’s probable future NIL money will be like.
@ryansuter4424 I have no doubt more than one school will be added, I would say at least 9 football playing schools will make up the conference and maybe more. If there smart there probably talking to companies that might have media rights and see what there thoughts are to maximize their media rights payout
Sac st is small potatoes. Shoulda made this move 10 years ago
PAC should get Stanford, California, SMU, Tulane, and Memphis.
The BEST addition for the PAC is so clear:
The New Mexico State Aggies!!!
NM State is the last desperate resort for the PAC to get to 8 teams.
Lol
The NEXT addition will likely be Texas State. Maybe they also add NMSt, but not before exploring multiple others, including:
AAC schools
Toledo
AppSt
Marshall
Ohio
UConn (ask again)
Texas State
Maybe:
Ga State
Coastal Carolina
Possibly:
FIU
and
NMSt
NMSt is way down the list with FIU but does have the advantage of being geographically closer, yet far from the West coast (but is still in Mountain Standard Time Zone, not Central Time Zone).
How so?
I think Texas State is in play, we just don't know it yet.
The PAC should just merge with the AAC.
First truly coast to coast conference with 4 time zones. More TV slots will especially the 12 noon EST window will get everyone more money. As of right now the AAC is arguably stronger than the PAC. Merging would be an upgrade
Pretty sure that would be a great idea, but media partners that will be paying $20M per school will not want schools like East Carolina, Charlotte, Temple, & UAB.
@ according to a CNBC College athletics study, ECU is a top 75 school in value. Ahead Memphis and USF.
50,000 seat on campus stadium (largest outside the P4) and an incredibly large and loyal fanbase all up and down the east coast.
Y’all west coasters should do more research next time. ECU is by far one of the most valuable G5 schools in the nation
@@htvlogs80ECU has good media numbers, what are you smokin’ ? Temple has just as good of media numbers as USF, as does Coastal Carolina - all just as good or better than UNLV.
@@curveball135 no kidding, dude stepped in it.
@@curveball135Not really. ECU is probably the 7th or 8th best option for the PAC 7 at this point. Your tv market and airport are serious drawbacks. You have a very good FB program however.
Mountain west keeps turning into FCS confrence eventually UNLV will bolt.
Memphis, Unlv, tulane, utsa all will join by 2031 unless a better option happens for memphis and tulane
Which FCS football teams has the mountain west added?
@amac701 sac st needs to head to the MW. so does grand canyon and whoever else beneath the mountain west thinks they should be in the pac. The schools that left to join wazzou and Oregon st carry was better preception nationally than the mountain west. UNLV should've left. MW and AAC and Mac and sunbelt, and CUSA are not good! None of them. They are on the wrong side of the mud slide. Atleast the pac has jumped off the ground and is mid air with no certainty! All those other confrences will be buried in rubble and burned to ash by the hot lava. The tsunami is coming and those waves will destroy college athletics. There is 1 boat with 64 to 75 teams that'll live on and it's all up to the networks not the confrences, presidents, or A.Ds!
@amac701 they looking at grand canyon, sac st and tarlton st
@@scottyking7161 which FCS teams have they added?
Sac St would be a huge compromise and a big letdown. Pac has to position itself as the undisputed G6 conference leader. Sac St does nothing to add any value.
OK why don’t they send out an invite to North Dakota State, South Dakota State and Montana State all three of those teams were just in the FCS playoffs. North Dakota State won the championship. Montana State was undefeated until they played North Dakota state you want to bring in a school like Sacramento state which hasn’t done anything the last time I really checked in the FCS so why don’t you bring over some real teams that deserve to be in the FBS
The pac hasn’t done anything about their hubris issue, they decided to cut off the “deadbeats” in the MWC for a reason, they see them more as liabilities.
At this point the pac has dug themselves into a whole since they won’t take any FCs or any FBs they deem “unworthy.”
So are they giving up on Stanford and California, or do those schools prefer to be in the ACC?
The chances of Stanford and Cal leaving the ACC for a league with less than half the media revenue and mediocre academics are about zero. No one in the current or projected PAC- whatever number is a remote peer of those Universities.
If no one is around and a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? NOBODY CARES!
UNLV commits legal and financial suicide in an attempt to leave the MWC. There is absolutely ZERO incentive to leave, they are now in a position to be a perennial conference champion.
The only wild card in the equation for them is whether or not the MWC can make good on it's cash promise to UNLV. With the departure and poaching fees in dispute right now, the MWC may not be able to honor it's agreement if the fees are considerably less than projected.
Go Rebels!
Kevin Kruger lmao 😂 😂😂
Pac 12 will end up with Sacramento State and Texas State guaranteed. Depending on the financial picture some AAC schools might join.
Stay tuned
Texas State has already said no.
@ Texas State said no to MWC not to the Pac 12.
I'd be OK with Texas State and Sac State in the PAC 12.
Good take; there are other good options as well, cumulative options, like Toledo, AppSt, Marshall, Ohio, UConn, FIU, Ga State, Coastal Carolina, La Tech.
Doubtful at this point that AAC schools are looking to go so far west, the PAC tv deal would have to be incredible (+$12 mil per school) for them to leave. That and the ACC still looks like its in tough times, and I am sure that AAC schools would prefer to go that route rather than a G6 league.
Sac state would be a great get for either league, but until the hubris of the PAC wears off I am holding my breath that they take them.
True that, but if they land a $15M to $20M contract with a prorata clause for AAC schools then they will be able to pick and choose AAC schools.
@ they never will, $15-20 million would require the new pac to have viewership numbers comparable to that of most of the ACC, and they just don’t.
Surprisingly a Team with many wins against Ranked opponents. Wins against SEC And upset bids against ND,Alabama, Miami U. Had the Only 3 year starter to go Undefeated in Div 1 history 35-0 1969-1971 From The MAC to the PAC…Toledo 🥳
A Bird can always Dream… just think.. From the MAC to the PAC has a nice ring… Toledo…😎
Toledo is a good choice, along with AppSt, Marshall, Ohio, UConn (try again) and Texas State, maybe Ga State and Coastal Carolina, possibly FIU, then get the media contract that solidly beats AAC, then go after AAC schools: Tulane, ECU, Memphis, USF, UT-SA, UNT, maybe Rice & Tulsa.
Cal and Stanford will be back in the pac 12 is my bet at some point, they will find the travel to be excessive. PAC needs a couple more major football schools if they really want to be stable. Maybe a couple teams that get dissatisfied with the Big 12 or see a better path to the playoffs in the Pac 12. I Thank that may happen.
Stanford and Cal with the Boise and Utah State 😂
You act like Aztec is power house in football, 3-6 just as same as UTEP, even sac state cud beat the Aztec. Power house ya, and basketball not good this year either. Get in your mind your not as good as anybody the the west
“Basketball not good this year either” lollll
Cud
Aztecs have a fallen into the same arrogance that killed the old pac 12. They need a reality check.
Ya texting is not my thing, make fun of it..
Yeah, it’s like low hanging fruit…
Lol 😂😂😂😂😂 SACK ST... WHAT A DOWNGRADE
Pac12 is officially no longer a power conference and never will be again
Yeah no one said it was a power conference in fact everyone has said it won’t be but thanks for chiming in.
@ I understand that but I think a lot of fans, especially Boise State fans were expecting when they first joined to finally have power5 status but as these weaker teams keep joining it’s turning into MWC 2.0 or even worse WAC 2.0
@@calvinmarshall4686 Honestly, the majority of Boise State fans that I talk to have never said that it was going to be a power conference, just that it's going to be better than the current conference they are in. The teams leaving for the PAC account for a combined total of 17 MWC conference titles in football. The entire remaining line up for the MWC accounts for just 1 (San Jose State won the short COVID season in 2020). Both on field and off field a lot of dead weight is being jettisoned by leaving the MWC and putting them in a position to be the best of the conferences outside of the P4.
North Dakota State
Sacramento state would be a horrible choice for the Pac12!!! Who wants a team moscot bug name!!! No value with Sac state!!!
Moscot
I hate people that spellcheck others. It’s juvenile.
Spell check is two words.
@@SurfCityBill I knew someone couldn't resist. That was a freebie. 😁
@@amac701 Sorry, low hanging fruit.
Pac is done. MWCis growing.
The Pac is taking teams that are financially viable though.
Lol
That is hilarious 😂 no it’s not
Don't be a lolo Pono
@@kanakapono lol with FCS Schools. People want quality. Not quantity
Sac State won't get them to the required membership needed because they won't have time to become a full FBS member before the Pac's waiver ends.
Memphis and Tulane are waiting for the Big 12 or SEC. They're not going to get tied up in the Pac long term. Texas State has already said no. I think it's probably time to start talking to New Mexico State or maybe Sam Houston.
Texas State said no to MWC, not PacX. The reason they said no to MWC is they know they are in line at PacX (or AAC if PacX lakes UT-SA or UNT).