Just a quick note, your (occasionally out-of-focus:) ) videos are very enjoyable and I figure one of the reasons is that your very messy man-cave looks so real, unlike the refined 'professional' vloggers' studios, purple backlighting, perfect bokeh and all. This makes them much more relatable. Keep up the good work and keep it real (and messy!) :) Спасибо!
I had a 6 bay HDD DAS next to my computer at one point and it produced a lot of noise. I ended up getting a Noctua Fan with the noise reducer resistor and that cut the sound down to near nothing from the fan hum. The HDDs still had a lot of their own clicky noises, so I made a 1/2 thick wood box that I put the enclosure in. This didn't reduce the noise, but it redirected it and the heat to a different direction. This allowed me to keep the DAS on my desk without having the noise cause problems with my recordings.
Good comment. Its INSANE how cheap and shitty the fans are on some very expensive technology that we buy. Often Noctua has a fan in almost every size that you could mod and swap into these components. I have seen people do this from PSUs to laptops
You should check the system info or ioregistry to understand what the device tree is looking like for both setups. also Emarker doesn’t control current but just informs the current source of its capabilities.
I salute you for your diligent cable quest adventure. It's funny you posted this right now as today I'm returning my Terramaster D8 Hybrid unit. It's actually my second unit as the first I received I literally had to bang on the side of it for the fan noise to stop. It effectively stopped the noise but I didn't want a unit that required that from time to time. With this second D8, I simply cannot live with having to dismount all attached drives every single time I put my computer to sleep - which I do 4/5 times a day. Even if I had a script to do it for me. Often on wake-up they would not remount automatically either. Total deal breaker for me.
I got one of these after I saw it on LTT. I have my desktop in the basement and the 50 meter version of this running up to my room (keeping the computer in a separate room is also an idea I had seen in an LTT video). Works almost flawlessly; any issues are easily fixed (and probably are just due to poor Windows drivers, not the cable itself). I’m probably gonna buy the TB 5 version of this if/when it comes out. I don’t have a thunderbolt drive to test with it to see if I have the same issues, unfortunately. I use it to plug into a Thunderbolt hub.
I have one of those Corning optical cables. I used it between a universal audio Apollo twin x on my desk that was hooked up to an Apollo x8 in a rack that was actually doing the audio I/O and I was using the twin as a monitor controller. Worked great. But it is a specific and expensive solution for a limited number of targeted use cases.
9:01 Regarding 3.2gen2x2, this do NOT work as you think. It came out later than usb4 and so only you have usb 4 or tb4, do NOT give you 20Gb speed. On my MSI case i have a usb 3.2 gen2x2 port with asus proart 690 supporting that, and my sandisk is rocking 20gb on that port, plugging the same sandisk ssd to tb4, only 10gb.
Also would be interesting to see an update with cables from Monoprice. They have a lot of types of bulk cable ordering and related options. We got a monitor from them too, but the pricing is on the lower end so I'm not sure how it is sourced nor the overall quality. We mostly used them for Ethernet and older USB cables. Whoa, nevermind that much because I just checked and they only have 1 certified Thunderbolt cable, although you can order specific USB standards per cable which is their main advantage. It is under their data cables and then USB pages.
I am waiting on a SSD NAS "slim line style" for a clinical application. I've seen pictures of them, but now can't find any units with 4/5/6 MVMe M.2 SSD. Quiet and small are core requirements. It would probably meet your use-case as well. I should add, I've been using Thunderbolt 4 docks for some time and am a fan, there can be issues with on-connecting to old spec devices, however.
I bought one of these also but learned that caldigit docks don't work with them. I think people should know that ahead of time since Caldigit thunderbolt docks are so prevalent
Solution buy a QNAP and since you already have the Thunderbolt cable from Corning install the Thunderbolt solution. 8 drives will give more than 1GB/s and many of the desktop units are quieter. The other option is going with a 10gbit solution but it will require cabling, adapters for the Macbooks etc.
Your mistake is having a non-Thunderbolt 3/4 DAS. Or at least USB-4. With a modern PCIE 4.0 m.2 SSD based external TB3 enclosure, you could easily get 2100/2500 MB/s write/read on an AS Mac (and 1900/2400 even on Intel Mac). And, btw, those Corning optical TB cables were developed in collaboration with Intel a long time ago for TB/TB2 and, later, TB3. They’re the real deal and the only game in town when it comes to long distance TB connections.
If you just need a 1m TB4 cable, is there any point spending extra money for the optical fibre one? I just spent $20 on a CHENLENIC TB4 cable and after watching your video I thought fibre sounds pretty cool!
I do think the problem was not the cable at least not the part that it is thunderbolt, i think it had more to do with the fact that it is a passive cable so the cable doesn't carry any current. But this also means the DAS would need to output power for the receiving end to work.
You saved me some $$$. I am with you regarding quality vendor products. Anything from OWC is going to work. I don't use a DAS or NAS any longer (too noisy, hot, ...) and have successfully used OWC's STX hub/disk system.
I would get a much longer Corning cable, switch all my computes and storage to rack mount and connect to my personal computer in the rack with the Corning cable and a Thunderbolt docking station.
We have a NAS for storage and have the same issue. We just put it in another room where no one hears it. But then we are on Ethernet and the speed is slow. They need to come out with large SSDs at a reasonable cost.
@@AZisk Definitely to pricy to the total NAS storage. Right now I have a external SSD enclosure with 2D connected to my Mac Studio and use it for the short term project buffer. And even month or so transfer stuff I have not touched in a while to the NAS. Works, but is clunky.
hello, I bought a new mac mini M4 with thunderbolt 4, but my external enclosure is a thunderbolt 2. Can anyone help me which adapter (with a link if necessary) I need? I can't figure out which one I really need (I'm still new to this world). Thanks in advance, folks
I think the best cable for you is USB4 because it supports Thunderbolt 3 = 40Gb and USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 = 10Gb Note: USB 3.2 gen 2x2, need specific port, very few devices support it, macbook doesn't support this port.
All he needs is a long-enough AND certified USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 cable. The NAS supports 10 Gbps USB only, so there's no need for anything higher when you want a direct connection w/o the TB dock.
have you seen the YT video from one of the mythbuster guys about why an Apple cable might cost US$120? They went in depth down to the chips multiplexing and all the separate lines in the cable that facilitate high throughput and/or high V or high A or both. In short, USB is a mess. USB-C is meaningless. Cables that cannot negotiate about the power they can relay (due to absence of chips and firmware). While nice to Apple, they didn't mention that the same quality might be available for much less without the logo. The simple point is that a cable has become an intelligent device. Basically you can buy an overpriced but cheap USB-C TO USB-C cable that is USB 2 in throughput and charging.
No. That’s what glass optical cables cost. The electronics and optical amplifiers are pretty expensive and these aren’t for the average home computer system, so they don’t sell them in the millions. The smaller production runs make additional cost necessary. Normally, the people who buy these need them. The people who don’t, well, don’t.
Just a quick note, your (occasionally out-of-focus:) ) videos are very enjoyable and I figure one of the reasons is that your very messy man-cave looks so real, unlike the refined 'professional' vloggers' studios, purple backlighting, perfect bokeh and all. This makes them much more relatable. Keep up the good work and keep it real (and messy!) :) Спасибо!
thanks. you don’t even know what’s going on on my floor and I’m embarrassed to show it
Swap the fan inside for a silent noctua one
doesnt change the heat issue
Only half the issue. Hard drives make noise.
I had a 6 bay HDD DAS next to my computer at one point and it produced a lot of noise. I ended up getting a Noctua Fan with the noise reducer resistor and that cut the sound down to near nothing from the fan hum. The HDDs still had a lot of their own clicky noises, so I made a 1/2 thick wood box that I put the enclosure in. This didn't reduce the noise, but it redirected it and the heat to a different direction. This allowed me to keep the DAS on my desk without having the noise cause problems with my recordings.
hmm. Thanks for the tip - haven't tried that
Good comment. Its INSANE how cheap and shitty the fans are on some very expensive technology that we buy. Often Noctua has a fan in almost every size that you could mod and swap into these components.
I have seen people do this from PSUs to laptops
Your channel is soooo good, it's amazing how you make the most ordinary things incredibly entertaining!!
Wow, thank you!
MacBooks do not support USB 3.2 Gen.2x2 so the max you will get from that Fasgear cable is 10 Gbps.
The cheaper cable is faster because it had - a harder - uprising. HA HA HA
it has a strong character
You should check the system info or ioregistry to understand what the device tree is looking like for both setups. also Emarker doesn’t control current but just informs the current source of its capabilities.
I salute you for your diligent cable quest adventure. It's funny you posted this right now as today I'm returning my Terramaster D8 Hybrid unit. It's actually my second unit as the first I received I literally had to bang on the side of it for the fan noise to stop. It effectively stopped the noise but I didn't want a unit that required that from time to time. With this second D8, I simply cannot live with having to dismount all attached drives every single time I put my computer to sleep - which I do 4/5 times a day. Even if I had a script to do it for me. Often on wake-up they would not remount automatically either. Total deal breaker for me.
I got one of these after I saw it on LTT. I have my desktop in the basement and the 50 meter version of this running up to my room (keeping the computer in a separate room is also an idea I had seen in an LTT video). Works almost flawlessly; any issues are easily fixed (and probably are just due to poor Windows drivers, not the cable itself). I’m probably gonna buy the TB 5 version of this if/when it comes out.
I don’t have a thunderbolt drive to test with it to see if I have the same issues, unfortunately. I use it to plug into a Thunderbolt hub.
I have one of those Corning optical cables. I used it between a universal audio Apollo twin x on my desk that was hooked up to an Apollo x8 in a rack that was actually doing the audio I/O and I was using the twin as a monitor controller. Worked great. But it is a specific and expensive solution for a limited number of targeted use cases.
9:01 Regarding 3.2gen2x2, this do NOT work as you think. It came out later than usb4 and so only you have usb 4 or tb4, do NOT give you 20Gb speed. On my MSI case i have a usb 3.2 gen2x2 port with asus proart 690 supporting that, and my sandisk is rocking 20gb on that port, plugging the same sandisk ssd to tb4, only 10gb.
Also would be interesting to see an update with cables from Monoprice. They have a lot of types of bulk cable ordering and related options. We got a monitor from them too, but the pricing is on the lower end so I'm not sure how it is sourced nor the overall quality. We mostly used them for Ethernet and older USB cables. Whoa, nevermind that much because I just checked and they only have 1 certified Thunderbolt cable, although you can order specific USB standards per cable which is their main advantage. It is under their data cables and then USB pages.
I think using a lan solution can be better
What does “active” mean when it comes to cables?
I am waiting on a SSD NAS "slim line style" for a clinical application. I've seen pictures of them, but now can't find any units with 4/5/6 MVMe M.2 SSD. Quiet and small are core requirements. It would probably meet your use-case as well. I should add, I've been using Thunderbolt 4 docks for some time and am a fan, there can be issues with on-connecting to old spec devices, however.
I bought one of these also but learned that caldigit docks don't work with them. I think people should know that ahead of time since Caldigit thunderbolt docks are so prevalent
Solution buy a QNAP and since you already have the Thunderbolt cable from Corning install the Thunderbolt solution. 8 drives will give more than 1GB/s and many of the desktop units are quieter. The other option is going with a 10gbit solution but it will require cabling, adapters for the Macbooks etc.
Your mistake is having a non-Thunderbolt 3/4 DAS. Or at least USB-4. With a modern PCIE 4.0 m.2 SSD based external TB3 enclosure, you could easily get 2100/2500 MB/s write/read on an AS Mac (and 1900/2400 even on Intel Mac).
And, btw, those Corning optical TB cables were developed in collaboration with Intel a long time ago for TB/TB2 and, later, TB3. They’re the real deal and the only game in town when it comes to long distance TB connections.
If you just need a 1m TB4 cable, is there any point spending extra money for the optical fibre one? I just spent $20 on a CHENLENIC TB4 cable and after watching your video I thought fibre sounds pretty cool!
Alex! What keyboard is that at the beginning of the video??? I checked your Amazon shop and didn't see it 😢
That’s not a keyboard, it’s a HDMI video switcher: amzn.to/4cg0SZm
@@AZisk Thank you. And I'm sure I speak for all your viewers, thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos and your excellent presentation
I do think the problem was not the cable at least not the part that it is thunderbolt, i think it had more to do with the fact that it is a passive cable so the cable doesn't carry any current. But this also means the DAS would need to output power for the receiving end to work.
Possibly the negotiation between the two controllers? It's another "process" in the chain?
Yes, the more nodes the slower things get I suppose
You saved me some $$$. I am with you regarding quality vendor products. Anything from OWC is going to work. I don't use a DAS or NAS any longer (too noisy, hot, ...) and have successfully used OWC's STX hub/disk system.
I would get a much longer Corning cable, switch all my computes and storage to rack mount and connect to my personal computer in the rack with the Corning cable and a Thunderbolt docking station.
Yeah, and the optical TB cable pricing - which is already high - isn’t much higher for the much longer variants.
And then you can only connect one computer to it at a time. Might as well go full NAS.
I really (really!!) wish this guy really gets the attention he deserves!!
7:10 You know what we are thinking to do with expensive cable 😂
my laptop's usbc has Display port 1.4, can my laptop accept audio/video input over this port or does it only support audio/video output?
We have a NAS for storage and have the same issue. We just put it in another room where no one hears it. But then we are on Ethernet and the speed is slow. They need to come out with large SSDs at a reasonable cost.
SSD NAS's are now coming out, but they are still pricey.
@@AZisk Definitely to pricy to the total NAS storage. Right now I have a external SSD enclosure with 2D connected to my Mac Studio and use it for the short term project buffer. And even month or so transfer stuff I have not touched in a while to the NAS. Works, but is clunky.
I am not 100% sure, but a cable such as a Meta Quest Link cable (Kiwi Design or Ugreen branded ones) will be good enough for that, just for around $20
I've never had a problem with Cable Matters' cables.
9:38 must be referring to bits which is 1/8 bytes
hello, I bought a new mac mini M4 with thunderbolt 4, but my external enclosure is a thunderbolt 2. Can anyone help me which adapter (with a link if necessary) I need? I can't figure out which one I really need (I'm still new to this world). Thanks in advance, folks
Atleast consider replacing those HDDs with Sata SSDs!
Or if budegt allows, then Nvme SSDs! Also a better Cooling Fan!
This channel is so good, Every time I watch a video I wan't to replicate the same. Kudos
I came here to wait for a video testing the speed of building applications with the new Ryzen AI 9 chip. Hope you get to do it soon! ☺️
Hey Alex, I believe the Corning thunderbolt cables don't carry any power. If your DAS is powered via the USB c cable, that may be your problem
the optical cable is data only, you’re right. the das has a separate power supply
"In silence or not in silence, that's the question" m2 disks are expensive, hubs too, but quiet :)
I have tried several USB-C 3.x cables recently and, for any distance more than 6 inches, nothing has come close to the Apple Thunderbolt cables.
interesting he didnt try the apple thunderbolt 4 cable, longest option is 3 meters, perhaps that is why
It should be common sense. Do people really not understand that signals become weaker as they move through a cable? USB4 needs to be
you can't transfer electricity with light.
that's why its thin,
it only transfers data.
I think the best cable for you is USB4 because it supports Thunderbolt 3 = 40Gb
and USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 = 10Gb
Note: USB 3.2 gen 2x2, need specific port, very few devices support it, macbook doesn't support this port.
All he needs is a long-enough AND certified USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 cable. The NAS supports 10 Gbps USB only, so there's no need for anything higher when you want a direct connection w/o the TB dock.
This guy is making some good money and it shows.
you handle your cable like a pro
That’s totally insane 😅🔥
have you seen the YT video from one of the mythbuster guys about why an Apple cable might cost US$120?
They went in depth down to the chips multiplexing and all the separate lines in the cable that facilitate high throughput and/or high V or high A or both.
In short, USB is a mess. USB-C is meaningless.
Cables that cannot negotiate about the power they can relay (due to absence of chips and firmware).
While nice to Apple, they didn't mention that the same quality might be available for much less without the logo.
The simple point is that a cable has become an intelligent device.
Basically you can buy an overpriced but cheap USB-C TO USB-C cable that is USB 2 in throughput and charging.
LAN?
hate to break it to you, but the way you are handling an - optical - cable is a guarantee for the thing to fail, they are super fragile.
too confusing, i'm going to wait for USB-D where they clear all this up.
The cable itself is impressive
fiber optic is a good idea
I clicked like to help you get your money back :)
Dude have a network rack!
Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunderbolts Hoooooo!
350, they saw you and every other reviewers coming.
No. That’s what glass optical cables cost. The electronics and optical amplifiers are pretty expensive and these aren’t for the average home computer system, so they don’t sell them in the millions. The smaller production runs make additional cost necessary. Normally, the people who buy these need them. The people who don’t, well, don’t.
If that cable lasts till the day i die id pay 350$
Nice wiggly toy 😂😂
6:50 You kinda look like zelensky
It's his twin brother
Why not get a fan inside and blow? lol
Good topic for the video. But, I guess the stupid decision to buy DAS instead of NAS. Your solution even more expensive then normal one.
Ok
ok
I dont think fiber cable at 5m makes sense...
Hello world.... NOCTUA FOR 29€ will solve a noise issue.
why so complicated? just use a nas.
First after the bot
cut your nails pls :)
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W/ cables, you get what you pay for. I happily pay more as I know the value I’ll get.