Lance's thoughts upon reading the allegations is what I felt as well. You find out everything yet you are not surprised by the information. It is like "Yeah I can imagine Vince doing that."
They say that some of the best characters are just the real person dialed up to 11. Vince’s TV character is one of the very few cases where it was toned DOWN to how he actually is.
Triple H: "Well, during the Attitude Era, we were basically playing ourselves but dialed up to a 100." Vince: "Speak for yourself, pal. What you see is what you get."
Sure, but *this* weird? Like actual trafficking? If someone had told me ten years ago that Vince would eventually be accused of a crime, I would have guessed some white collar thing or steroids again.
And just like a cult, when someone leaves and speaks out against the company, current and former wrestlers always call them disgruntled, bitter, couldn’t cut it etc.
@@therush757I think it worse than that because I rarely see talent crapping on other talent for leaving WWE, but what I do see is those comments and remarks from the WWE fan base. Which is scarier if cult mentality spreads to people outside the actual organization.
@@haloichigo1100%. This is the biggest issue. And it's unfortunately a problem across the promotions. However, WWE is by far the worst. Even a few years ago when the products was total dog dirt, like the absolute worst you could imagine, there were fans crying bias and defending it to the hilt. That's very much cult behaviour.
Because corporations are just empires for the workplace with Vince being a former dictator, and their amount of power was made all the worse with WWE having a monopoly for 20+ years (and in many ways in terms of revenue/market share they still do). It should be no surprise the cult-like mentality both within WWE, and even with many fans. To a degree, this is a problem with AEW, TNA, etc. too. These kinds of systemic problems won't ever change until the systemic issues are addressed.
I guess that what CM Punk said when he cut the infamous pipe bomb and said that Vince McMahon was a bully when he got his mic cut off was true after all.
There's a story you can find about Vince along with others making Coach think he was going to jail. There was a betting pool that Coach was in charge of I believe, and they either got fake cops or real cops to go to Coach and tell him he was under arrest for illegal gambling. Long story short, it really shook Coach up to where he was in tears, and after screaming at Coach for a while about how he'd disgraced the company Vince finally revealed it was a rib and had a good laugh about it along with his sycophants.
This should be a case study moving forward in how a leader in business can maintain control and evade pressure from the media to avoid consequences for heinous acts.
This has been similar to the UK’s reaction to Jimmy Saville in that no one was surprised he was a creepy perverted man but what was shocking was the depths of his depravity and the amount of victims that were out there. Same with Vince as I never ever doubted that behind the scenes he was up to no good, but the level of sickness displayed by him towards the treatment of his victims was very eye-opening and horrifying.
Vince has always been a bad guy. Look at what he did when Snuka murdered his girlfriend. He turned up with a case ..of what ? Then rang the family of the murdered woman and offered blood money. This was all in 1983
The dude wrote segments where his employees had to kiss his bare ass FFS. He made Trish Stratus strip down to her underwear, get on her hands and knees, and bark like a dog. He delighted in humiliating Jim Ross. Etc The dude is a bully A-hole to his core.
@@megatinmand5524 Because while Punk is one of the best talents of his generation, especially on the mic, he also gives me the impression of someone who never grew out of his edgy/moody teenager phase. If I had to guess, I think he could have a personality disorder of some sort along with unresolved trauma. Either way, he was much better at talking a good game than he was at actually being a rebel against the system.
@@carnybusiness7432 bingo! You can easily tell that Punk never fully grew out of that wannabe edgelord phase of his because he never had anyone to tell him to cut the shit and grow up. It's why he has such poor people skills and social skills.
Vince just got lucky he had puppets like Undertaker (Mark), Brock Lesnar, Triple H and many more that would either speak highly of him, defend him or just stay quiet (not holding him accountable). Puppets were those guys and many other. F Vince and anyone and everyone that knew that shit!
Vince would get pissed if anyone sneezed around him, he was a unbelievable control freak. None of this is surprising, I wouldn’t be surprised he gets tied to a murder either.
Lance brought up in that interview a wrestlers court with Howard Finkel, the fact thats even a sentence should be a problem with the love that man had for wwe-wwf. Just made me think of all the bullying Vince did to that man, on air and hear later behind the scenes, who noone anywhere, fans, wrestlers, anyone has a bad word to say. I remember when they had the edge-orton match in 2020, I went to watch it at the time and they opened it with a msg hanging mic and Howards announcement to emphasis the greatest ring announcer for the greatest match as they called it. I smiled for few seconds and then this wave of hate came on me, thinking, f**k you people, you honor him now, and all you did to humiliate him on air, including the cm punk msg match when he came out as announcer opposite Ricardo for del rio, he was genuinely in the moment moved, msg cheering him on, and what did Vince do. Instructs Cole and Lawler to laugh and make fun of him, and not just oh there being heels, you could tell, this is Vince saying look at that idiot with emotions, bury him. Never been big fan of Booker T's announcing, but he got respect from me being only one who didnt and defended Howard in moment. Didint even watch that match, to this day, causse so angered at Vince and his treatment of those loyal to him for decades, so noone should doubt he would do worse to anyone else.
I wouldn't be surprised if people like Trish Stratus, Lita, Molly Holly, Sable or Torrie Wilson have stories but they can't speak because they'd get blackballed and their entire legacy is with WWE. I guarantee Trish probably has stories. Lance has always been a good guy, Vince put him through a ton of dumb gimmicks when he was in WWE so I wouldn't be surprised if he pissed Vince off and Vince did it to spite him. Remember when they bullied Mickie James on LIVE TV?
On Vince insisting everyone use the buzzwords: when he announced he'd be resigning and he said something like "For the sake of the *WWE Universe*, the best thing is for me to step down..." 🙄
The fact that Edge was willing to shave his head to appease Vince shows how much control Vince has over the wrestlers. Not to mention the fact that they have to get permission from him to get a haircut. What makes it more ridiculous is that they allow a person to have such control when they're not even employees of the company.
My biggest shock throughout all this has been seeing wrestling people reacting all shocked. Being around wrestling fans for a long time and talking about Vince in message boards, we all knew he was a freak. I wonder if the former wrestlers are acting or if it's because they act horrified cause they want to distance themselves away from it?
I agree 100% with Lance. I have never met Vince, but I thought the same thing. After I read the court doc, I told a friend that the details of Vince's depravity is the most fucked up shit I've ever heard, while simultaneously being 100% believable.
"Why didn't anybody say anything?!" - people that used to be there and also didn't say anything... I'm sorry, but this whole narrative of nobody calling out Vince is running wildly unchecked. Nobody wants accountability for their lack of action, even if you consider the varying degrees of what they did or didn't know.
Yup. If you took no action or said nothing about it you are an associate as far as I'm concerned. Everyone keeps saying they knew a d not a single soul took any action or tried anything.
The thing is, there were people who no DID call Vince out. It’s just that most fans/the public did not want to believe them. So they were just dismissed as being “bitter” or other such BS
It's that cult scenario. Vince solely controlled American wrestling for 15 years after the demise of WCW. You speak out, go to the cops, or the press, you don't just lose your livelihood. You lose friends you've known for years. Trusted confidants will trash you and treat you like the scum of the Earth. You restart from zero. It's how cults retain their power over people
@@AkamoriArt the thing is that there have been people FOR YEARS that have been calling Vince out on his shit. And what happened? Their reputations suffered, their professional careers practically destroyed, and everyone calls them "bitter". Sometimes it's wiser to be smart than brave when dealing with actual people with ACTUAL power.
so that's why WWE'S be a star campaign from all those years ago was complete bullshit especially knowing that vince mcmahon is a bully himself this is the same guy that didn't want bully ray in WWE how does this make any sense whatsoever?
It is no surprise that a wrestlers principles and convictions disappear when their spot is on the line. Pure carney BS. Big reason I always respected Lance is because I could tell his character doesn't bend.
I don't think that it turns you into a sexual weirdo, but I do think that, testosterone replacement therapy certainly will exaggerate your sexual exploits So when you're already a gigantic creep, it will make you into a colossal Godzilla sized creep
I maintain to this day that thank god Vince got into wrestling and not becoming an actual cult leader. Because, my god, imagine the terrifying shit he would have committed. Imagine Vince starting his own cult and reaching the levels of infamy and notoriety as Jim Jones, Shoko Asahara, Charles Manson, and David Miscavige.
To be fair all CEOs are like this. Imagine the stuff from other CEOs we do not know about. The people at the top .01 percent do not care at all about the average human being. This is not to condone Vince in any way but my point is Vince is what they are all iike. They all have their slave labor in 3rd world countries. No one is free of guilt. The Jeffery Epstein list that we still do not know what went on and how Epstein was killed (or escaped).
And no one, including the victims, did anything or said anything about it, and every victim that followed suffered because of those that came before and said nothing. I was a victim of physical and sexual abuse, nearly lost my life because of it. My son almost lost his because of it. And if I hadnt spoke up as soon as I got out, someone else would have suffered. If you knew this was happening and you weren't in there beating vince to a bloody pulp with a baseball bat, you were complicit and are responsible.
Dave Meltzer, a man who has been involved in the wrestling industry and has had a lot of contacts within WWE during that time is somehow shocked at all these claims about Vince. We all know Meltzer knew and kept it quiet so he could maintain access
The fact that anyone acts like this is shocking is hilarious. Anyone with a pulse that has paid attention to wrestling since the 80s has known Vince was a terrible scumbag
adults calling other adults bullies is such the wrong angle to take on this. there’s such a better more adult way to frame vince’s disgusting actions. so childish
I dunno, someone merely being a bully doesn't move the needle for me. That's not what damns Vince, as far as I'm concerned. It's the other shit he's reliably accused of.
lol I love it when Dave wears pro wrestling shirts. Hes such a fan, he can’t help it. I remember seeing a vid of him talking to another online wrestling talker while he was wearing a LIJ shirt. Like come on Dave, you mark.
You can tell Dave feels very strongly about this situation and this type of individual. He has spoken about it every day for the past month. Understandably so, its huge news within wrestling. I think we should all take a moment to reflect on how difficult it must have been for him when he contacted Chris Jericho to terminate their working relationship following his allegations. Must have been hard. Keep up the crusade, Dave 👍
Let's be honest, fans don't care. The general public doesn't care for several reasons. One it's professional wrestling, it's a very small niche and fans are very passionate about it. If they're entertained, I've heard rumors about things like this for a very long time at least 20 plus years and guess what? This dude has gotten away with it for the majority of his time as an owner and guess what the business that he owned flourished and set the standard for any other company that has come since the WWE has become so powerful. So I say this to do fans truly care in my opinion no. And what is this going to accomplish? Literally nothing what the company is doing is trying to push it to the side, especially since it's wrestlemania season and fans are going to eat it up. That's the unfortunate sad thing about it. Nothing is really going to change because the matter of the fact what they're saying is that it still needs to be clean and Vince McMahon needs to be completely utterly done with this company or any other wrestling company
I would disagree. Casual fans care. They just don’t know about it cause casual fans don’t pay attention to the dirt sheets and that’s where all of this news happens. Now that this Vince shit is being reported by the mainstream news outlets, the casuals are disgusted. It’s the hardcore IWC fans who don’t care. They’re the psychos who, if Vince would to appear on the next WWE show, they would do that stupid bowing motion.
@@Linklex7 Okay, I'm not worried about the casual fans. I'm worried about the fans that continue to pump their money into the WWE. Their business is almost doing record numbers. Nobody cares
"Don't do that." "Please stop." "See you at work tomorrow, Big Boy😍" I'm not saying that he didn't do the things or that he's some billionaire with weird kinks or that even he is a good person but come on man... millions of dollars on the line and y'all are going to go off of it verbatim? Where Vince McMahon fucked up was he is such a crazy workaholic that he couldn't separate life from work. He could go get these needs /kinks fulfilled anywhere he wanted to. As a billionaires would still have to have them sign NDA's but to have this stuff going on at work and to bring your mistress into the company was idiocy.
*conversation with lawyer* Her: 'and then I started getting passed around' Lawyer: ' well we will put that down as s x trafficking. Being publicly traded that should get him to the negotiation table faster.'
I mean, just hang around Facebook long enough on certain pages like Fox News. The way older people communicate on social media is very akin to how Vince allegedly texts. Maybe not to the graphic extent as Vince allegedly. But the way older people text and post on Facebook when they're riled up is completely mind numbing. A'lot of it has to do with their brains just degenerating with time so their grammatical skills also suffer from it.
Somehow Stephanie will be able to separate herself from the Vince McMahon thing, and then by virtue HHH will too. To pretend that they didn't absolutely know what was going on and covered for him though is ridiculous
They may not have known the extent of his escapades, which could probably give them some plausible deniability When you have a guy who hires somebody just to be their sexual liaison, there is an immorality to that, but it's not necessarily known to the people around them, that there are some more serious things happening Where they will completely take the fall is if it turns out that Janel Grant may have reported to one of them and then they did nothing about it... then they are GONZO
@@IAEMThatIAEM what do you expect Levesque to say ????? He has more or less taken over WWE , a public company, and will be limited to what he can say for legal reasons . Plus he has 3 daughters with Vince's daughter. There is plenty within WWE who need public criticism. Paul Levesque isn't one of them . The man is in the most awkward position professionally and in his private life.
@user-qx3eb2jx1p how about the racist booker T angle... did i say a word about HHH now? i am talking about him getting a ridiculous push in 2000... then the so called "reign of terror" in the early 2000s we all used to say "triple h is booking himself"... why? because he was on top when he wasnt over. even his comeback angle pop thing... the company built that like crazy... why? because of his buddy buddy relationshit with Vince McMahon we are asking... what did he know
It's ironic that Lance keeps referring to the company... Then mentions he was there... With that logic he's at fault. People need to be held accountable for the horrible things in WWE...
Dave waxing poetic about "really bad stuff" moments after Lance mentioned Vince shoving people in a pool, to bully them - and Meltzer laughing about it, makes me think he's not a very serious person.
Adults can still be groomed if they’re vulnerable and the accused has money and power. Sexual assault shouldn’t be ignored just because the victim is an adult.
8:30 Trish Stratus was over like Rover, mainly got the job because she was a fitness model, became a valet and got completely over Vince McMahon clearly sexualized her and was very sexually attracted to her, so he runs an angle where he's having an affair with her, that he is 100% in charge of, and then has a segment where he makes her get on the ground and bark like a dog for him... Now that was always excused Away by him playing the villain character, but in the Bob Costas interview, he gets violently defensive of his actions of doing that angle. A physical intimidation tactic So the second that I saw the allegations I knew that they were probably true because that was a complete disgrace. He obviously was doing things like that because why else even do an angle like that
So, in the stall today,I dunno what it was, but when I farted it sounded like a person perfectly says "Burrrrt!". So everytime I did it, the person in the stall next to me would call out a last name like "REYNOLDS". so I'd go "Burrrrrt!" and they'd say "Reynolds" or I'd go "BURRRRT!" and they'd go "Ward!" Or I'd go "Burrrrt!" and they'd go "and Ernie!" Finally I go "Burrrrrrt!" And I just hear in the stall next to me "Thawoooosh" and this big splashing sound. I ask the guy "what was THAT" and he said "I was trying to fart "gess meredith" but there were too many syllables" 😂
Sorry but I don't know? I don't believe in God and mock the scriptures all the time for debates but I am nothing of a monster like Vince. So I am not sure what kind of person he is for mocking the god of a religion, but I do know what kind of person he is by the terrible things he has done to people.
If lance knew Vince is like this why did he work for him all those years? And then saying “I never expected it but didn’t doubt it?” That makes 0 sense. And saying “Vince pushing people in pools?!” Is he dead serious? He pushed people in a pool and wants to control the language on HIS television show and that makes him a monster?! It’s like a classic case of “I knew it the whole time!!!.”
Would YOU cross somebody who has actual power and influence to destroy your professional career if they so wish? I'll wait. It's the same reason that so many actual female abuse victims are terrified of coming out against their abusers. The fear and the potential threat of retaliation is very real.
@@DeadmanInc336yes, 100% I was a victim of physical and sexual abuse from someone who contrilled and manipulated everything about my life and my son's life. Had I not spoken out and taken action other people would have suffered, and then I would be guilty for not stopping them before it happened. I lost everything because of it, but I didn't possess the cowardice to wait 20 years to speak out. You have to do what's right even if its scary.
@@AkamoriArt congratulations! You were lucky and extremely fortunate. Not everyone is/was as lucky as you and you should be thanking the stars above you got out in one piece.
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That's why that anti bulling campaign years ago was hysterical
All their campaigns were jokes. Especially "Say no to drugs" and the Wellness Policy.
Remember the "Stand Up for WWE" campaign? That was the most laughable.
The anti-masturbation PSA's in the WWF magazine is my favourite campaign. Talk about something that hasn't aged well lmao.
Susan G Komen scam and exploiting that Conor kid are the lowest of low.
@@duckmercy11yea all the money was laundered
Lance's thoughts upon reading the allegations is what I felt as well. You find out everything yet you are not surprised by the information. It is like "Yeah I can imagine Vince doing that."
Yea I'm dumb founded by the wrestlers who are shocked by it. lol
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 it is like wrestlers are brainless cowards.
@@Darkcide-tl7kl let's be honest, man. For the most part; wrestlers aren't exactly the most intelligent people around.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 yeah they are all being cowards and political which is pretty sad.
@@drew3493 Exactly. Most fans we heard about this were like "well of course!"
Rene Dupree and Paul London seemed to be very vocal as well.
Big names are under WWE legacy deals and scared to speak
They say that some of the best characters are just the real person dialed up to 11.
Vince’s TV character is one of the very few cases where it was toned DOWN to how he actually is.
Triple H: "Well, during the Attitude Era, we were basically playing ourselves but dialed up to a 100."
Vince: "Speak for yourself, pal. What you see is what you get."
Anybody with a brain has known, for decades, that Vince is a weird guy. I don't think this surprises any of them.
I don't think weird even begins to describe it. Even when he speaks, he doesn't use verbiage or language akin to normal people.
Tell that to the Vincels who still defend him now
Sure, but *this* weird? Like actual trafficking? If someone had told me ten years ago that Vince would eventually be accused of a crime, I would have guessed some white collar thing or steroids again.
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At least for me personally, it didn’t shock me THAT much. I’m not surprised Vince is capable of this, put it that way.
There’s a difference between being a weird guy or even a jerk then being an absolute monster.
Lance is on point in pointing out the way WWE is run like a cult and uses cultic language mind games.
And just like a cult, when someone leaves and speaks out against the company, current and former wrestlers always call them disgruntled, bitter, couldn’t cut it etc.
Lance has one of the most brilliant minds and is so underused across the board.
@@therush757I think it worse than that because I rarely see talent crapping on other talent for leaving WWE, but what I do see is those comments and remarks from the WWE fan base. Which is scarier if cult mentality spreads to people outside the actual organization.
@@haloichigo1100%. This is the biggest issue. And it's unfortunately a problem across the promotions. However, WWE is by far the worst. Even a few years ago when the products was total dog dirt, like the absolute worst you could imagine, there were fans crying bias and defending it to the hilt. That's very much cult behaviour.
Because corporations are just empires for the workplace with Vince being a former dictator, and their amount of power was made all the worse with WWE having a monopoly for 20+ years (and in many ways in terms of revenue/market share they still do). It should be no surprise the cult-like mentality both within WWE, and even with many fans. To a degree, this is a problem with AEW, TNA, etc. too. These kinds of systemic problems won't ever change until the systemic issues are addressed.
I guess that what CM Punk said when he cut the infamous pipe bomb and said that Vince McMahon was a bully when he got his mic cut off was true after all.
There's a story you can find about Vince along with others making Coach think he was going to jail. There was a betting pool that Coach was in charge of I believe, and they either got fake cops or real cops to go to Coach and tell him he was under arrest for illegal gambling. Long story short, it really shook Coach up to where he was in tears, and after screaming at Coach for a while about how he'd disgraced the company Vince finally revealed it was a rib and had a good laugh about it along with his sycophants.
that was a 100% work.
He went back before Vince was removed from power.
so fudge him
The most disgusting promotional tactic award should be renamed as the “three cheers for Vince” most disgusting promotional tactic award
Nah, I think CM Punk having a job was more disgusting 😂
@@KONSACZ😂
More like "3 Flushes"
Yeah, but people don't care. As long as they're entertained by the WWE they could care less. He's gone and that's how people are going to justify it.
@@flyguy7825that’s why the wwe socio economics skew so badly
This should be a case study moving forward in how a leader in business can maintain control and evade pressure from the media to avoid consequences for heinous acts.
WWE was built by bullying.
Was it though?
It was built by solid business skills.
@@pinkribbonskies5731 it was built on having the largest territory in the most prosperous region of the country.
This has been similar to the UK’s reaction to Jimmy Saville in that no one was surprised he was a creepy perverted man but what was shocking was the depths of his depravity and the amount of victims that were out there. Same with Vince as I never ever doubted that behind the scenes he was up to no good, but the level of sickness displayed by him towards the treatment of his victims was very eye-opening and horrifying.
Vince has always been a bad guy. Look at what he did when Snuka murdered his girlfriend. He turned up with a case ..of what ?
Then rang the family of the murdered woman and offered blood money. This was all in 1983
"You're the biggest bully I've ever met" - CM Punk to Vince McMahon, July 11, 2011
The dude wrote segments where his employees had to kiss his bare ass FFS.
He made Trish Stratus strip down to her underwear, get on her hands and knees, and bark like a dog.
He delighted in humiliating Jim Ross.
Etc
The dude is a bully A-hole to his core.
Then he came back
and he came back WITH VINCE IN POWER. Very markish thing to not realize by now; that was a work. summer of punk was a work @@megatinmand5524
@@megatinmand5524 Because while Punk is one of the best talents of his generation, especially on the mic, he also gives me the impression of someone who never grew out of his edgy/moody teenager phase. If I had to guess, I think he could have a personality disorder of some sort along with unresolved trauma. Either way, he was much better at talking a good game than he was at actually being a rebel against the system.
@@carnybusiness7432 bingo! You can easily tell that Punk never fully grew out of that wannabe edgelord phase of his because he never had anyone to tell him to cut the shit and grow up. It's why he has such poor people skills and social skills.
Listening to Dave set up the question to Lance gave me a headache, and Lance's response was truly professional and truthful
Man, the best part of these videos is Dave's dog. What a cutie he is!
Vince just got lucky he had puppets like Undertaker (Mark), Brock Lesnar, Triple H and many more that would either speak highly of him, defend him or just stay quiet (not holding him accountable). Puppets were those guys and many other. F Vince and anyone and everyone that knew that shit!
Vince would get pissed if anyone sneezed around him, he was a unbelievable control freak. None of this is surprising, I wouldn’t be surprised he gets tied to a murder either.
Well he was tied to covering one up.
He swept the Snuka murder on the rug.
Lance brought up in that interview a wrestlers court with Howard Finkel, the fact thats even a sentence should be a problem with the love that man had for wwe-wwf. Just made me think of all the bullying Vince did to that man, on air and hear later behind the scenes, who noone anywhere, fans, wrestlers, anyone has a bad word to say. I remember when they had the edge-orton match in 2020, I went to watch it at the time and they opened it with a msg hanging mic and Howards announcement to emphasis the greatest ring announcer for the greatest match as they called it. I smiled for few seconds and then this wave of hate came on me, thinking, f**k you people, you honor him now, and all you did to humiliate him on air, including the cm punk msg match when he came out as announcer opposite Ricardo for del rio, he was genuinely in the moment moved, msg cheering him on, and what did Vince do. Instructs Cole and Lawler to laugh and make fun of him, and not just oh there being heels, you could tell, this is Vince saying look at that idiot with emotions, bury him. Never been big fan of Booker T's announcing, but he got respect from me being only one who didnt and defended Howard in moment. Didint even watch that match, to this day, causse so angered at Vince and his treatment of those loyal to him for decades, so noone should doubt he would do worse to anyone else.
Lance was so disgusted by it he took a paycheck from them for a decade.
I wouldn't be surprised if people like Trish Stratus, Lita, Molly Holly, Sable or Torrie Wilson have stories but they can't speak because they'd get blackballed and their entire legacy is with WWE. I guarantee Trish probably has stories. Lance has always been a good guy, Vince put him through a ton of dumb gimmicks when he was in WWE so I wouldn't be surprised if he pissed Vince off and Vince did it to spite him. Remember when they bullied Mickie James on LIVE TV?
I love how Dave's dog is like "The human is talking to that stick again, he's going mad, better distract him with pets"
Lance is a treasure.
Vince is just the top of the totem pole. No one can convince me the rot is not a lot deeper and Paul Levesque doesn't have dirty hands too.
On Vince insisting everyone use the buzzwords: when he announced he'd be resigning and he said something like "For the sake of the *WWE Universe*, the best thing is for me to step down..." 🙄
And soo many saw him as a daddy and turned a blind eye to actions
The fact that Edge was willing to shave his head to appease Vince shows how much control Vince has over the wrestlers. Not to mention the fact that they have to get permission from him to get a haircut. What makes it more ridiculous is that they allow a person to have such control when they're not even employees of the company.
I was shocked, but not surprised.
Nobody wants to get murdered Dave.
That’s why most people are holding back on Vince publicly.
Dave's dog is so cool!
Lance is such a good dude
Jail predator vince
F the Hater Brigade
My biggest shock throughout all this has been seeing wrestling people reacting all shocked. Being around wrestling fans for a long time and talking about Vince in message boards, we all knew he was a freak. I wonder if the former wrestlers are acting or if it's because they act horrified cause they want to distance themselves away from it?
Is the full version of this not up? I can’t find it :(
I agree 100% with Lance. I have never met Vince, but I thought the same thing. After I read the court doc, I told a friend that the details of Vince's depravity is the most fucked up shit I've ever heard, while simultaneously being 100% believable.
"Why didn't anybody say anything?!" - people that used to be there and also didn't say anything...
I'm sorry, but this whole narrative of nobody calling out Vince is running wildly unchecked. Nobody wants accountability for their lack of action, even if you consider the varying degrees of what they did or didn't know.
Yup. If you took no action or said nothing about it you are an associate as far as I'm concerned.
Everyone keeps saying they knew a d not a single soul took any action or tried anything.
The thing is, there were people who no DID call Vince out. It’s just that most fans/the public did not want to believe them. So they were just dismissed as being “bitter” or other such BS
It's that cult scenario. Vince solely controlled American wrestling for 15 years after the demise of WCW. You speak out, go to the cops, or the press, you don't just lose your livelihood. You lose friends you've known for years. Trusted confidants will trash you and treat you like the scum of the Earth. You restart from zero. It's how cults retain their power over people
@@AkamoriArt the thing is that there have been people FOR YEARS that have been calling Vince out on his shit. And what happened? Their reputations suffered, their professional careers practically destroyed, and everyone calls them "bitter".
Sometimes it's wiser to be smart than brave when dealing with actual people with ACTUAL power.
Love It Bryan Alvarez And Dave Meltzer F4WOnline Guys.
Sounds like the mob.
now you understand power and money.
I'm right there too, I wasn't the least bit surprised.
Dave and his dog 😅
so that's why WWE'S be a star campaign from all those years ago was complete bullshit especially knowing that vince mcmahon is a bully himself this is the same guy that didn't want bully ray in WWE how does this make any sense whatsoever?
I love these guys that have worked for Vince and have reported on Vince for years play this "omg im so offended" role 😂
fans who still watch are telling the women who cares shake it off.
Doggo Meltzer so cute😊
It is no surprise that a wrestlers principles and convictions disappear when their spot is on the line. Pure carney BS. Big reason I always respected Lance is because I could tell his character doesn't bend.
Vince did start his own cult back in 2006- MCMAHONISM,amen.
anyone talking about how steroids can turn you into a sexual weirdo?
I don't think that it turns you into a sexual weirdo, but I do think that, testosterone replacement therapy certainly will exaggerate your sexual exploits
So when you're already a gigantic creep, it will make you into a colossal Godzilla sized creep
I maintain to this day that thank god Vince got into wrestling and not becoming an actual cult leader. Because, my god, imagine the terrifying shit he would have committed. Imagine Vince starting his own cult and reaching the levels of infamy and notoriety as Jim Jones, Shoko Asahara, Charles Manson, and David Miscavige.
Thank good 😂
He got his money and power from getting people to do things. He probably thinks that's just what other people are there for.
To be fair all CEOs are like this. Imagine the stuff from other CEOs we do not know about. The people at the top .01 percent do not care at all about the average human being. This is not to condone Vince in any way but my point is Vince is what they are all iike. They all have their slave labor in 3rd world countries. No one is free of guilt. The Jeffery Epstein list that we still do not know what went on and how Epstein was killed (or escaped).
Haveing Trish stratus bark like a dog on national tv was a Disgrace...shes one of the companies major stars..no woman should ever be treated that way
And no one, including the victims, did anything or said anything about it, and every victim that followed suffered because of those that came before and said nothing.
I was a victim of physical and sexual abuse, nearly lost my life because of it. My son almost lost his because of it. And if I hadnt spoke up as soon as I got out, someone else would have suffered.
If you knew this was happening and you weren't in there beating vince to a bloody pulp with a baseball bat, you were complicit and are responsible.
Because it's better to actually be smart about it and not be the hero. Courage is a discipline, not a trait.
Crazy Dave is just sitting on a couch full of papers.
Dave Meltzer, a man who has been involved in the wrestling industry and has had a lot of contacts within WWE during that time is somehow shocked at all these claims about Vince.
We all know Meltzer knew and kept it quiet so he could maintain access
These fake backgrounds are hilarious
The fact that anyone acts like this is shocking is hilarious. Anyone with a pulse that has paid attention to wrestling since the 80s has known Vince was a terrible scumbag
This man child Meltzer has been on the Anti Vince kick for years.
Punk called it all that time back.
"I didn't wanna go hang with Vince at his pool." Or something like that.
And then went back to WWE. He’s got nothing he can say about this
Vince had a monopoly-hence all the illegal behavior.
adults calling other adults bullies is such the wrong angle to take on this. there’s such a better more adult way to frame vince’s disgusting actions. so childish
I dunno, someone merely being a bully doesn't move the needle for me. That's not what damns Vince, as far as I'm concerned. It's the other shit he's reliably accused of.
lol I love it when Dave wears pro wrestling shirts. Hes such a fan, he can’t help it. I remember seeing a vid of him talking to another online wrestling talker while he was wearing a LIJ shirt. Like come on Dave, you mark.
Dave is the biggest mark ever..the markiest of all marks
@@user-rx2hw8up2j he’s truly the father of the modern mark. Big papa Dave.
In other breaking news... water is wet.
This comment transported me to 2002 😂
It was all good until she stopped getting paid. Gold diggers will dig for more gold. This is not a surprise
Vince Mcmahon will come back 💪
To what
You can tell Dave feels very strongly about this situation and this type of individual. He has spoken about it every day for the past month. Understandably so, its huge news within wrestling. I think we should all take a moment to reflect on how difficult it must have been for him when he contacted Chris Jericho to terminate their working relationship following his allegations. Must have been hard. Keep up the crusade, Dave 👍
Let's be honest, fans don't care. The general public doesn't care for several reasons. One it's professional wrestling, it's a very small niche and fans are very passionate about it. If they're entertained, I've heard rumors about things like this for a very long time at least 20 plus years and guess what? This dude has gotten away with it for the majority of his time as an owner and guess what the business that he owned flourished and set the standard for any other company that has come since the WWE has become so powerful. So I say this to do fans truly care in my opinion no. And what is this going to accomplish? Literally nothing what the company is doing is trying to push it to the side, especially since it's wrestlemania season and fans are going to eat it up. That's the unfortunate sad thing about it. Nothing is really going to change because the matter of the fact what they're saying is that it still needs to be clean and Vince McMahon needs to be completely utterly done with this company or any other wrestling company
I would disagree. Casual fans care. They just don’t know about it cause casual fans don’t pay attention to the dirt sheets and that’s where all of this news happens. Now that this Vince shit is being reported by the mainstream news outlets, the casuals are disgusted.
It’s the hardcore IWC fans who don’t care. They’re the psychos who, if Vince would to appear on the next WWE show, they would do that stupid bowing motion.
@@Linklex7 Okay, I'm not worried about the casual fans. I'm worried about the fans that continue to pump their money into the WWE. Their business is almost doing record numbers. Nobody cares
"Don't do that."
"Please stop."
"See you at work tomorrow, Big Boy😍"
I'm not saying that he didn't do the things or that he's some billionaire with weird kinks or that even he is a good person but come on man... millions of dollars on the line and y'all are going to go off of it verbatim?
Where Vince McMahon fucked up was he is such a crazy workaholic that he couldn't separate life from work. He could go get these needs /kinks fulfilled anywhere he wanted to. As a billionaires would still have to have them sign NDA's but to have this stuff going on at work and to bring your mistress into the company was idiocy.
*conversation with lawyer*
Her: 'and then I started getting passed around'
Lawyer: ' well we will put that down as s x trafficking. Being publicly traded that should get him to the negotiation table faster.'
Lance discussing rape...then cut to "did you like that clip?" Sorry guys..but come the hell on.....
With respect Dave, how would you know how Vince txt messages ? Is it also a source who’s been sending you his txts for 20 years too?
She submitted the received texts with the filing in the rape case
I mean, just hang around Facebook long enough on certain pages like Fox News. The way older people communicate on social media is very akin to how Vince allegedly texts. Maybe not to the graphic extent as Vince allegedly. But the way older people text and post on Facebook when they're riled up is completely mind numbing. A'lot of it has to do with their brains just degenerating with time so their grammatical skills also suffer from it.
@@bfunderb5899 my comment was focused on Dave’s comment about saying/ alluding the messages sounds like Vince McMahon
WTF Vince & Linda's sex lives must've looked like.......
Linda has been celibate since the 80s. Mostly involuntarily.
Probably just had shane and steph and stopped having a sex life
when are Trips, Brucie, Hayes and all of the rest of Vince's blow boys going to be held to account?
Somehow Stephanie will be able to separate herself from the Vince McMahon thing, and then by virtue HHH will too.
To pretend that they didn't absolutely know what was going on and covered for him though is ridiculous
They may not have known the extent of his escapades, which could probably give them some plausible deniability
When you have a guy who hires somebody just to be their sexual liaison, there is an immorality to that, but it's not necessarily known to the people around them, that there are some more serious things happening
Where they will completely take the fall is if it turns out that Janel Grant may have reported to one of them and then they did nothing about it...
then they are GONZO
What did Levesque do wrong ?
@@IAEMThatIAEM what do you expect Levesque to say ????? He has more or less taken over WWE , a public company, and will be limited to what he can say for legal reasons . Plus he has 3 daughters with Vince's daughter. There is plenty within WWE who need public criticism. Paul Levesque isn't one of them . The man is in the most awkward position professionally and in his private life.
@user-qx3eb2jx1p how about the racist booker T angle...
did i say a word about HHH now? i am talking about him getting a ridiculous push in 2000... then the so called "reign of terror" in the early 2000s
we all used to say "triple h is booking himself"... why? because he was on top when he wasnt over.
even his comeback angle pop thing... the company built that like crazy... why?
because of his buddy buddy relationshit with Vince McMahon
we are asking... what did he know
Pat Tanaka wrestled as El Gato at the Great American Bash 1996 in a losing effort to Konnan.
Nice distraction.
@@billrichardson6259 not distracted, everyone saw, el Gato lost to the konnan claw!
More importantly what did Dave score it?
It's ironic that Lance keeps referring to the company... Then mentions he was there... With that logic he's at fault. People need to be held accountable for the horrible things in WWE...
Lance was not in a position of power.
@@matt92550 he knows who was... Needs to start name dropping or else he's still looking the other way.... And he doesn't even work there anymore
Best part of the video are Garret’s sips
ask about his boy Chris Jericho's stance on NDAs and employee handbooks
Dave waxing poetic about "really bad stuff" moments after Lance mentioned Vince shoving people in a pool, to bully them - and Meltzer laughing about it, makes me think he's not a very serious person.
"Grooming"? Oh please. She is a 42-year-old woman. At some point, adults need to take responsibility for the things they do for money.
Adults can still be groomed if they’re vulnerable and the accused has money and power. Sexual assault shouldn’t be ignored just because the victim is an adult.
8:30 Trish Stratus was over like Rover, mainly got the job because she was a fitness model, became a valet and got completely over
Vince McMahon clearly sexualized her and was very sexually attracted to her, so he runs an angle where he's having an affair with her, that he is 100% in charge of, and then has a segment where he makes her get on the ground and bark like a dog for him...
Now that was always excused Away by him playing the villain character, but in the Bob Costas interview, he gets violently defensive of his actions of doing that angle. A physical intimidation tactic
So the second that I saw the allegations I knew that they were probably true because that was a complete disgrace. He obviously was doing things like that because why else even do an angle like that
Dave clearly got bullied into ptsd by vince
So, in the stall today,I dunno what it was, but when I farted it sounded like a person perfectly says "Burrrrt!". So everytime I did it, the person in the stall next to me would call out a last name like "REYNOLDS". so I'd go "Burrrrrt!" and they'd say "Reynolds" or I'd go "BURRRRT!" and they'd go "Ward!" Or I'd go "Burrrrt!" and they'd go "and Ernie!" Finally I go "Burrrrrrt!" And I just hear in the stall next to me "Thawoooosh" and this big splashing sound. I ask the guy "what was THAT" and he said "I was trying to fart "gess meredith" but there were too many syllables" 😂
He mocked God. That kind of tell you what kind of person he is.
Sorry but I don't know? I don't believe in God and mock the scriptures all the time for debates but I am nothing of a monster like Vince. So I am not sure what kind of person he is for mocking the god of a religion, but I do know what kind of person he is by the terrible things he has done to people.
Yeah, Vince is dumb for mocking something that doesn't exist.
@@dominoep you don’t exist
@Davord I'm typing comments, "god" isn't...
I bet he's gonna burn in hell when he dies
This was a 3-year consensual relationship she went along with it. It wasn't rape
WWE should be shut down at this point. The industry is so stagnant. The territory system needs to come back.
ROFLMFAO
Lance is such a whiny brat
No kidding. Sounds like some group roofied his decaf and rain a train on him somewhere.
Low-energy Lance.
If lance knew Vince is like this why did he work for him all those years? And then saying “I never expected it but didn’t doubt it?” That makes 0 sense. And saying “Vince pushing people in pools?!” Is he dead serious? He pushed people in a pool and wants to control the language on HIS television show and that makes him a monster?! It’s like a classic case of “I knew it the whole time!!!.”
WWE has a freaking monopoly in the timr between WCW folding and AEW being born.
There were not many options if you wanted to make it in this business.
Would YOU cross somebody who has actual power and influence to destroy your professional career if they so wish? I'll wait. It's the same reason that so many actual female abuse victims are terrified of coming out against their abusers. The fear and the potential threat of retaliation is very real.
@@DeadmanInc336yes, 100% I was a victim of physical and sexual abuse from someone who contrilled and manipulated everything about my life and my son's life.
Had I not spoken out and taken action other people would have suffered, and then I would be guilty for not stopping them before it happened.
I lost everything because of it, but I didn't possess the cowardice to wait 20 years to speak out.
You have to do what's right even if its scary.
@@AkamoriArt congratulations! You were lucky and extremely fortunate. Not everyone is/was as lucky as you and you should be thanking the stars above you got out in one piece.
Man this is rubbish
Vince is a disgrace
Why you think that?
Then don't listen. Plenty of Vince ass-kissing vids for you to watch.
Vince is innocent and my hero
🤡
...Tonys booking tho.....😂
Better than your fraud Triple H
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Almost 40 years old and this is the shit you're spending your time doing. What a fucking waste of resources your life is.