The speaker is uninformed. You can get this latency on an O3b satellite which is MEO (Middle Earth Orbit), but no way, you can do that on a HughesNet or Viasat GEO (Geosynchronous Earth Orbit). Even if you and the teleport were directly below the satellite, the signal still has to travel (4 x 22,000 miles) to ping a server in the teleport. Dividing 88,000 miles by the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) gives us 473 ms. That's the very best you can do, and very seldom are the client and the teleport directly under the satellite on the equator.
i lived near a big city in ar and had bad internet couldn’t use even to watch yt i moved to a tiny village in ak and now have much better internet but capped and it costs hundreds of dollars but viasat is available but we can’t put anything on are roof so bad luck i guess
@@RealGalaxyGamers as I understand it, agreements have been put in place to build what's called a "MicroGEO" satellite to be placed in orbit and deliver service to Alaska. Most GEO satellites are very large because it's so expensive to put them in orbit, that the manufacturers figure they might as well max them out. However with new electrical propulsion systems it's becoming more economical to put smaller satellites into GEO orbit. Instead of covering very large geographic regions, they provide a hotter, smaller signal to a region like Alaska where it is extremely difficult to pull fiber or install microwave towers, given the terrain. Be patient - it looks like it's coming! (However it's still GEO. It won't solve the latency problem for gaming - but it should reduce costs and increase speeds). www.bcsatellite.net/blog/microgeo-satellites-stake-out-a-claim/
The speaker really doesn't know much about satellite technology, and I addressed some of the issues in the comments here (I'm in the industry). We keep hearing about how these new mega-constellations are going to provide service to people everywhere, no matter how remote; but right now there is a big piece missing, and that's the terminal (antenna). Today, in order to use LEO satellites, you need dual tracking parabolic antennas which are very expensive. Unlike GEO satellites that sit in place above the equator, LEO satellites are screaming across the sky. One antenna will track a satellite coming in over the horizon, and as it goes over the other horizon, a second antenna will pick up the new one coming in as the first one goes out of sight, and seamlessly hand over the connection. This gear is expensive and requires a lot of maintenance. This is not a solution for Joe Consumer. FPA (flat panel antenna) terminals based on phased array technology will be used to track two or more satellites and hand off connections. This equipment is still very expensive and is limited to markets like airplanes, maritime, and it's working into bus/train markets. It still has quite a ways to go before it's a Joe Consumer solution. The first services, therefore, will probably be to large companies wanting low latency connections, where fractions of seconds equate to millions of dollars in financial trading markets, for example. They will go to MNOs (mobile network operators) who will use them as large backhaul circuits and connect users locally with cell towers, and to WISPs (Wireless ISPs) who will do the same thing. In my view, we have a ways to go before these new services are available to the consumer market, because of the cost of the terminals. However, it's a fast moving industry, and perhaps there are FPAs in development that we haven't heard about yet. What really seems to be going on here, is a challenge to terrestrial fiber networks. These large networks in the sky will be faster - light travels faster in a vacuum than in fiber cables - and they will be intelligently switched so you can get your traffic between any two places on the globe very quickly - faster than fiber. I see the consumer market as part of the marketing campaign, but I think it's really an afterthought, since I think big companies are going to buy into these new superfast, intelligent switching networks, and consumers will have to wait for terminal costs to come down.
keep in mind spacex with starlink is in the process of designing and building there own phased array antenna for starlink and has said cost will be around 300 so hardly very expensive if they can pull it off. That said the speaker on this does not know jack about whats coming and failed to do any research if they think dish's are what people will be using.
Telesat said their LOE constellation latency will be 20ms. That’s huge for MNO backhaul hard to reach areas because 20ms works for voice. The crazy thing for me is these birds are all moving, and they work with planes/ships that are also moving - the algorithms for this seems pretty cool
As long as a dish is involved I have no intention of using any kind of satellite internet or tv because I have no interest in having those unsightly things drilled into my roof. I think a better solution to curb costs would be for the isp to build local hub stations where signals are transmitted to and received from the satellites. Any costs are reduced as the antennas service multiple customers. Then signal goes to customers on underground fiber connections. As for an antenna/dish on my roof. Let me know when they can make my roof the antenna and I might be interested. Question though, why not just have an antenna that transmits to/receives from the entire sky? So any network satellite in the sky receives the signal, rather than having to follow specific satellites. Why does it need to be pointed directly at the satellite? I know inverse square law and all that but if it's only travelling to LEO is it really that big a deal?
@@PlutozReal starlink does not use a dish it uses a square box about the size of a medium pizza box you dont point it at a satelite as it's a phased array it locks onto any sets that cross its path
@@trevordavies2863 correct. In fact, they most likely will incorporate such an antenna into the roof of the Tesla semi. Phased array antennas can beam form a virtual dish pointed in any direction fast enough to service multiple endpoints simultaneously. (A MUX if you will.) Aircraft use them for radar to do 1000s of sweeps per second. Otherwise they would never be able to track incoming missiles. As the tech becomes more refined, I expect them to put these antennas in the hoods of cars. That way you can have a wireless hotspot from your Tesla all day long. I would welcome a new data/phone provider. They're cornering the markets now. Competition is good!
Excellent! I just know how far we've come since 1990. Exponential increase of tech advance: I really have no complaint. Even when I had to wait 20 minutes for a download, after all was said and done, I said to myself: it was worth it.
I grew up in rural area with only GPRS coverage and awful dial up that gives 33.6kbps, shuts down all other neighbours phones , takes 1hr to open a page and charges by 30 min, Mobile gprs data was literaly 1000 more expensive than a Sattelite but had a speed of the turtle and ping that was giving my dad enough time to have a cigarette. I can say the speed of a sattelite network is still decent, its the long ping (especially for dual way systems), high price and dependence from weather that make it an Autonomic source rather than constant and stable source. It's more for people who need an interned for basic needs, emails, school or work than for leasure.
This would have been music to my ears a couple years ago. I live in very rural west tn and have dealt with viasat internet since I moved here 10yrs ago. paying over $130/month for 50gb of data before being throttled. but yesterday my electric co-op put the box on my house and in 2 weeks I will have fiber optic through them at $50/month for unlimited data and 1gbs of speed where this am I am at 2.2mbps
@@jameshowlett4438 true.. Thankfully our rural electric co-op is doing that for all its members and as of December 2nd I now have fiber internet at 1000mbps and no data limits..
PUD for my county will be running fiber optic cables in the rural parts of my county starting in May. I am stuck with hughesnet until they get it set up. Hopefully sometime in 2020 I will have descent internet, and be able to play games online again. Updates really suck when you have data limits too.
@@tweech2000000 hell i dont think they're even trying to improve where i am at.. and the places around me with land line have slower speeds than my satelite. just a bit lower ping.
@@shanktheglobe954 I was jokingly going to say ...Flatearther? then i looked at your TH-cam page.Your world can be whatever shape you like but mine remains round until i know of proof otherwise.
@@MrRogermash you got it backwards bro, flat earth is the default because it's all we observe and experience. it is flat and motionless until proven otherwise. you been to space bruh?
I used to live in a rural area my internet IPS options we're very limited, we had "hues satellite internet", radio tower internet, & 4G cellphone internet, having used them- they are all horrible options with very small datacaps only 20-50gb per month which is NOT usable!
As has been noted in the comments, I erred in saying that users would be using a dish to receive the signal -- it would actually be an antenna. Even better! Thanks for the correction!
Questions: a. The Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken, projected to be at it's weakest around 2035. The Earth's magnetic poles continue to move, most probably on their way to another magnetic field flip. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, looks like it will this time. A weaker magnetic field would allow more harmful cosmic radiation energy to reach the surface of this Earth, and us. But putting our potential extinction aside for the moment, satellites operate off of very small volts and amps. The extra cosmic radiation energy might cause some of these satellites to either outright fail or at least prematurely fail. And then of course whatever does not burn up in the atmosphere will crash here on Earth somewhere. But, what is society going to do probably when, not if, we lose satellites? b. The Van Allen Belts around this Earth trap protons and electrons. As the Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken, so too would the Van Allen Belts. The sub-atomic particles would be getting pulled toward the Earth due to Earth's gravity along with any solar or cosmic radiation pushing them from behind toward the Earth. Currently, the Van Allen Belts are thickest around the equator and taper off towards the poles. But, as the magnetic poles move, so too does the Van Allen Belt's trapped area. At some point in time, the Earth, (and us) might get bombarded with sub-atomic particles, more so in some areas on the Earth, less so in other areas, and it might just be a crap shoot as to actually where. But, what if the satellites get affected by the bombardment of those sub-atomic particles? What is society going to do probably when, not if, we lose satellites?
@@technosaurus3805 useful communication is not possible through quantum entanglement. Communication is still limited to the speed of light. It's not a real easy read, but Sean Carroll's "Something Deeply Hidden" will explain this in more detail than I can.
Dude you're full of shit. How will they justify setting up internet in space when every launch costs a few hundred million and internet service providers don't make remotely anything close to that to cover their investment? You're either gullible af or you're dumb as dog shit which is it
It's going to be a flat panel receiver, rather than a dish. There might be something you could spray on it, like Rain-X on a windshield. Or even use an actual mechanical wiper.
@@geezer652 You put a car add on window defogger on the back side of a dish. A single fine copper wire taped to the back and powered by DC. Or buy a rear window defogger kit.
I tried downloading the bitcoin blockchain on Wildblue once. It actually *corrupted* the files once it was all said and done. It wasn't just the speed and latency that was terrible on their network..
Sad how people will put their health and well-being on the line just for the sake convenience and entertainment. Not to mention their freedom. Unplug people and live!
No need by the end of this year space x starlink will be available to us and canada first the Antena locks to the sat itself no need for someone to install it
Not much, since we place satellites at different altitudes, they are very small for the most part, and the Earth is huge, but orbit is much larger. All in all, we can easily see that 45k satellites parked in an area multitudes larger than the Earth (since the areas surrounds the entire earth and both the circumference and the diameter of the Earth is very small compared to the space within low-to-mid orbit) would be less of an impact around the Earth than ten fleas would be to a horse. The reasons that nothing real bad could go wrong is because we put satellites in certain areas, we track all of them, and usually they mostly burn up on reentry. The chances of them hitting something would be so slim, that winning the lottery would have better odds, especially since any space mission planners already know where they are and how to not hit them with a rocket or spaceship. These satellites would be in geosynchronous orbit, also. This means that they are a very long ways away from Earth to get them further from the gravitational pull. A little critical thinking and you will realize that the Moon orbits the Earth, so, orbit is further than the Moon away depending on speed and mass. It also means that as long as a normal satellite doesn't get far enough to get affected by the Moon's gravitational pull, it could most likely be able to hang stationary in Earth's orbit.
@@mechinizer6911 there is a lot of activity going on now to investigate how to clean up space debris. Yes, the odds of collision are pretty low, which is a good thing, but it happens. We first became aware of how real a problem it could be in 2009 when a US spacecraft accidentally collided with a Russian craft, creating a sort of debris belt and increasing the amount of large debris in LEO by about 70%. There are 250,000 pieces of debris that we can see and track and millions of pieces smaller than that, which we can't see and track. New Radar from LeoLabs is intended to let us see smaller pieces. The ISS has been hit by debris before. It happens. New satellites are being designed with the ability to de-orbit, so they reduce their orbit and burn up in the atmosphere, but there's a bunch of stuff up there (out of 5000 satellites up there, only 2000 are active), that was sent up with no thought of space debris. This past May a new, huge Boeing satellite IS-29e was apparently hit by debris and is now inoperable. (Thank goodness, I didn't sell any services on it!). On September 18, 2019 the Bigelow Aerospace’s Genesis II experimental habitat, and the Russia Cosmos 1300 satellite had a near miss. No evasive maneuvers were taken - both spacecraft are defunct and inoperable, just part of the ever-growing field of orbital debris… Had they struck each other, they would have created a huge debris field. The India space war test, in which they blew up one of their satellites, also contributed to the problem, and the world's governments need to come together and agree not to do that crazy crap any more - or face extreme sanctions. As I understand it, the science confirms that the potential is there (Kessler Syndrome) to render space unusable for generations. It would set us back at least 50 years. The new satellites that the video is describing are LEO satellites so they are only a few hundred miles up. GEO satellites are now pushed up into a graveyard orbit with the last of their fuel, but there are still a bunch of dead ones up there floating around, slightly influenced by gravitational pulls from sun, moon and earth. The region in which GEO satellites sit still in geostationary orbit (GSO) is above the equator 22,200 miles up. The satellites in this video will be much lower and whizzing by at 17,400 mph more or less. This is a very doable project. Indeed it is a lot of space, but there's also a lot of junk, so there is risk associated with it, and someone is going to have to pay to clean it up as we develop the technology to do so. It's being actively developed and tested now. Next year, for example, the Astroscale ELSA-d project will practice finding, matching orbits, locking on and retrieving space debris and then hauling it down to burn up.
@@mechinizer6911 thanks appreciate your insight as you sound like you might be in the industry. I'm sure this looks great and feasible on a design board. Seems it'd be too risky to me in real world. Let's say there are 3,000 satellites (that we'll admit to) in orbit today. Those new 45k satellites are going to require maintenance, generate their own space junk, need (fallible) humans to monitor & direct them. For one possible contrary reason, let's suppose further that those 3k satellites are by proxy, responsible for, even conservatively, 20% of the 500k pieces of today's "space junk". Proportionally, we would now be putting up another 1.5M pieces of space junk, with associated risk. So I see your 10 fleas (satellites), and raise you 33 more fleas (pieces of space junk to a satellite) for 330 fleas in total. I think the horse might notice. :-) Tied to Pat's comment above, I'd be in favor of "cleaning our closets, before we contract for an addition on the house".
Sounds great, but I bet "clouds" still cause problems?(he didn't say) Had that with early Hughes, kind of hard to check radar for tornado warning when you can't get signal.
Rather than that countries should stop using money on military funds. Us uses 2billiion usd every year! Imagine if the spent all that money on space exploration and intrenets.
I live in Florida and had Direct TV. The slightest rainstorm caused an outage. I would not be interested in this system unless the were able to fix this problem.
@1:45 Latency will cause a delay of signal transmission, but why there will be a mismatch between audio and the corresponding video? Is it not that both audio and video will be delayed by almost a similar amount?
Used Hughesnet for several months - brings back memories of dialup. With small data caps, even better. Only good for rural isolated areas who don't have any internet.
I was using Exede (now viasat) because the only other option was expensive LTE or DSL that couldn't even hit 1mbps. After months of 600ms, and data caps that kept getting worse and worse, I am now using LTE. Thankfully some companies have ways to get LTE unlimited. I can't wait to try out the new sat networks.
Is latency a continual problem, as in slow speed throughout internet use, or is it occurring only when a person starts and stops then starts and stops sending and receiving?
@@codypolar6593 latency a lot of times it doesn't have anything to do with your WI-Fi speed you can have 0.90Mbps and get like 30 ping but there's a lot of packet loss and stuff like some internet companies will provide 200mbps but you will still get like 60 ping the reason why some internet providers like HughesNet get 600 ping and then some other satellite providers you can get like 60 ping it's cuz HughesNet and Visat or whatever it's called satellites are in space 60 times higher than starlink as a lot of smaller satellite internet providers just have a tower that's only a few miles from your house as I have satellite internet but we have a tower that's only about 3 mi away or four
Don't forget underwater cables still carry most of the international data. I know it sounds old fashion, but I believe Google just put down more cables between the US and Europe?. Doesn't cost much once the cables are in place.
Satellite internet user here. Our ISP is based out of West Virginia, called Morgan Wireless. I play video games a lot, and the ping is between 60-100 ping, which isn't that bad! Even when my family is on Netflix or TH-cam, I don't lag that much. If you live in West Virginia, consider Morgan Wireless!
What the cable companies don't tell you is that once your data travels from your house to their local headquarters, it is transmitted through their satellite dish to a satellite in space. Then that data is transmitted from a satellite to a cable satellite dish before being locally transmitted through fiber optic lines.
a 18 inch satellite dish will not track the signal of a Low Earth Orbit Satellite. Usually a fixed dish also has problems with trees and buildings. Other problems will be similar to Satellite radio picking up signal from Geo Satellites!
it won't be a dish and it will track the satellites and pick the best one and hand off to the next as they speed past, same way your wifi works fine with many other wifi signals around...
I have ViaSat and LOVE it. I’m routinely pulling 75-100mbs and ViaSat is extremely generous with their soft data caps I used almost 200gb last month and there were absolutely no slowdowns. The latency is there and it’s not at all cheap (15 X more than local DSL) but beats the maximum 1.5mbs of the other option of DSL. I’m paralyzed and work from home in a rural area and ViaSat is a blessing.
I was surprised that my internet was not slowed down like it use to be after I passed the cap I assumed it's due to AT&T moving more towers out near where I live.
Great video and informative, however some of us "Caribou" who live in Alaska do have thumbs, and our internet is the most expensive there is. Can't wait for the new technology and for Amazon to start selling large Ice blocks so I can repair the roof of my igloo ☺☺
I've been rocking the viasat for this last month, works okay with warframe and dead by daylight. Not great, but its certainty playable. I used to have their old dish, and that wouldn't work at all.
What ping do you get because I feel like there's no way to get less than a 300 ping when your satellites are 60 times higher than starlink and even starlink lowest satellites are like 500 km in the sky
One issue is that at least some people (like me) have sensitivity to radio & shorter wave radiation. I found this out while driving through a particular stretch of mountains multiple times a year in the late 70's, early 80's. Every time I passed through certain areas (that happened to have multiple microwave communication towers and raio station towers), I started getting painful headaches. After putting another mountain between me and the towers, the headaches stopped abruptly. After a year or so of doing this I learned that I could locate radio tower locations by my headaches.... I do not use Wifi and minimize cell phone usage as a result.
I had Hughesnet in the western mountains of Wisconsin for 6 months, and hated it. Soft caps on data limits might as well have been hard caps, because it was terrible when un-throttled, unusable when throttled. I was so glad to get back to Florida and get cable (fiber) internet. Also, the satellite feed dropped if it so much as spit rain, or heavy clouds, or high winds. Even a dense blanket of satellites in low orbit will still have trouble during thunderstorms and such. As a gamer in MMOs with raids, I can't risk dropping connection just because its storming outside. And I doubt the terminal (receiving antenna) will be as cheap as some are saying. Dish antennas have been on the market for 10 years, and are still obscenely expensive for anything but the most basic, fixed focus, units.
I’m pretty happy with the state of cellular based Internet. Between AT&T and Verizon I’m usually in good shape, but it’s always better to have options!
I am ready for this anytime. Our city sold their soul to Comcast, which is the sole viable provider. And their internet sucks big time. Anything would be an improvement.
I streamed everything through a KODI app until we moved to rural Missouri. We have 22 gigs of data on each of our phones with which we stream with Prime video or the Titanium TV app. We'd love to get rid of Dish/Direct TV again. These new satellites are good news, but I fear they will package the gig plans and make them unaffordable for most consumers. When we streamed we used 80 to 100 gigs a month.
I have DIsh in an extremely rural part of Maine and it's incredibly fast--way faster than my service in a big city I also spend time in. The only thing is, the trees keep growing and I'm afraid they're going to block out my satellite dish's eyeline to the satellite soon! It's about $100 for 100 Gb a month, so it's not so bad. For me, tho, 100 Gb isn't enough.
As a unfortunate satellite internet user that is my only option at this point in time my recommendation is if you have access to better internet cable, fiber optic, do it and never even think about going to satellite internet it's just as bad as dial up.... even with absolutely perfect conditions perfect weather got plenty of data and you are perfectly synced with the satellite the lag is absolutely horrible !!!!!! 🤦♂️🤢🤮 Most video games you CAN NOT PLAY PVP unless you have a friend that has better internet with you to piggyback off of and the game's that you can play you get reported as a cheater with a lag switch....
you are comparing two different technologies and strategies..... did you not watch the video? in many cases for gaming satellite actually might be even better ping vise unless you live close to the game server and have perfect routing
@@emko333 I'm taking from experience here my ping right now is 0.900 vs my friends cable internet ping Wich is 0.250 - 0.150 and in the video he even said at best my internet ping would go down to 0.500 Wich is still not even close to cable and forget about trying it against fiber optic exactly how is that better ??? Ya it's better then what I got now but still doesn't hold a candle to other internet options.
@@dragoneye6642 sorry what? why would your ping go down?... you are not going to be using the same satellite or service so it will be a different ping... and no it won't be 500ms and who measures network latency in seconds, its very easy to calculate what the theoretically latency could be LEO 550 km vs GEO where its at like what 23,000 Km? just do that math and you will not be getting 500ms ping that would not be a viable business, space X is promising under 15ms thought i doubt that as it should still need to be doing some routing satellite to satellite at least i think it should so probably like 20-50ms
I look forward to having Amazon Everything, and Space Travel via Space X in my life. I foresee these two companies merging too. Thanks for the video :)
Even when I was on a cruise ship with 3000 other people, I purchased a wifi package and I was getting unlimited data, 150mbps throughout the entire 12 floor ship, and yes the latency was also very low
I am a new and soon ex customer of HughesNet. The advertised speed is 25 Mbps and I usually only get 3 Mbps max. I tried to count the delay on a family Zoom meeting. The delay was almost 5 seconds! I can’t wait until something better comes along. I won’t even start on the data usage.
Its a phased array. That type antenna can track satellites without moving (physically), as well as track them at speed. Basically it looks like a square flat plate.
Sad how people will put their health and well-being on the line just for the sake convenience and entertainment. Not to mention their freedom. Unplug people and live!
Lol! I run four wireless security cameras, two 4k fire sticks, one 4k Chromecast dongle, three smart tvs and still connect tablet's into my whole home mobile hotspot internet. Yes I live in rural area.
satellites don't exist, its cell phone/microwave technology. I've seen many "satellite" dishs on peoples homes pointing almost at the horizon towards hills, and trees. There are ZERO pictures of satellites in space....
Im from kuwait 🇰🇼, the problem with internet nowadays is when you try to play video games is that you receive a high latency. That is because i connect with American servers, trust me if you play with 200+ ping with Americans that has below 50 ms ping is really unfair. What it really pains me to say is there is literally no solution for that problem. I hope Star-link will solve this issue as soon as possible.
Ma ON they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t they’d make money. This also has to compete with cellular and wired broadband so it’d have to be cost competitive
Maybe it can be affected by weather but it depends on witch bands and how much power they use to transmit the signal they’re going to be closer than satellites we have right now, and I would definitely think that it won’t be affected by satellite position because they’re going to be a constellation of satellites so you will have one always closer to transmit the signal.
Overall good explanation but the real world numbers for latency are more like 1-2-3 seconds. Keep in mind that there is more to latency than just distance above the earth, there is the slant range and the internal transit time, compression & etc.. I have spent a lifetime in Satellite Communications since the early Intelsat IV birds up until my retirement in 2006 and have kept abreast of the new generation. As I said you did well but left so much out that your numbers become false. Even with the LEO birds, some will have less and some more latency, it is not a fixed delay for any two users unless they are both on the same backbone or block bandwidth being used by the same satellite. Single, double or triple hop paths. Satellites have a fixed bandwidth limited by hardware not throttling..... Oh well its a huge discussion and good people are trying to work it out but I don't see LEO birds as the sole solution. It hasn't eliminated all the other evils they initially claimed it would and LEO has been mostly relegated to Amateur Radio and some specialized data users.
I moved recently and my satellite wifi is normally about 700-1200 ping. I have to use my phone hotspot in order to play properly, and with that I still get around 90-200 ping.
All set ,,, look I'm 80 , and I'm so fascinated with this subject , that I'm thinking about going to the UNIVERSITY to become a technician on internet thanks buddy
There are at least 250,000 pieces of space debris in LEO (low earth orbit) that we can see with Radar, and probably millions more that are too small to be seen - and many of them are zooming around at thousands of miles per hour. The industry understands the problem and is working on ways to clean up the debris. The idea, generally, is to capture the larger pieces with various methods (nets, magnetic plates, harpoons, etc.) and drag them down to the atmosphere where they will burn up. For example, we've launched about 5000 satellites into space. 3000 of them are dead. Now we're going to launch over 50,000 new satellites in the years ahead... A lot of promise. A lot of risk. If things go wrong, space could become unusable for a couple generations or even centuries. If things go right, the fiber infrastructure on earth will essentially be replaced or significantly augmented, by an intelligent fiber-like switching network in the sky. New satellites such as Starlink, OneWeb, etc. must file plans for how they intend to de-orbit their satellites when their life is finished. At this time, there are no plans I'm aware of, for anyone to try and land defunct satellites. They would have to carry enough fuel rocket engines, guidance systems, etc. to bring them down, which would increase the cost of sending them up in the first place. The simplest and safest approach is to burn them up in the atmosphere.
@@KnightofDark00180 there are a number of companies spending a lot of research and development money to devise solutions for something you suggest is not a problem.... A company called LeoLabs develops huge Radar arrays that track debris. They are working to deploy new technology that lets them see smaller objects, and deploying this equipment in New Zealand, with plans to add more stations near the equator and poles. There are hundreds of near-proximity alerts issued every week. Most see the risk diminish as time goes by, but sometimes operators have to move their satellites out of the way. New satellites are given a cover material, (Whipple shield) that helps deal with micrometeorites, but large debris can explode them into a shower of pieces, each of which becomes a new bullet in space. The Astroscale ELSA-d project is designed to test new techniques for clearing space debris. A "Servicer" will be launched in 2020 along with a "Client" that will act as debris. The client will be released and then retrieved with a magnetic plate. It will then be released and put into a spin. Servicer will match the spin, and then latch on again. It will be released yet again, and Servicer will use its Radar to find it, match speed and spin, latch on to it, and pull it back down to the atmosphere to burn up. That's quite a project to undertake for something that isn't really an issue! Japan is developing a solution that uses an "electodynamic tether" to slow down defunct satellites so they can bring them down to the atmosphere. Other solutions include slingshotting the debris, or sending puffs of air in front of debris to slow it, (which makes it fall to a lower orbit where it will be burned up). The RemoveDEBRIS satellite released from the ISS in Sept of 2018 demonstrated the use of a net to capture a test object. The Russians are working on a scheme to clear debris from GEO orbits. Just a few months ago an almost brand new $400 million satellite, IS-29e was apparently hit by debris and rendered inoperable. The Russian solution is to launch a huge satellite that by its mass will create a gravity field that will attract defunct satellites and rocket parts. With each new object, the mass grows, hence the gravity field. Low thrust jets will move it around, and when it collects enough, it will raise the debris to a "graveyard" orbit above GEO. This is just a short list of some of the activities being tested and researched to overcome what in fact is a very significant issue. There is the remote possibility that space could be rendered unusable, which would set us back a couple generations.
@Robert Pearce I'm just referring to satellites that we sent up that didn't work as they should have or didn't work at all and could have been fixed so they claimed... Believe me, if it works right I'll support it 100 percent... Have a great day...
another major reason people hate satalite that you missed was that the major companies seem to set up in areas where no other satalite company is and gouge the prices heavily. where I live we have a minimum ping of 700 with viasat and no other options at all. they charge us 100$ a month for this and its still climbing. meanwhile in the nearest town which has dsl and actual competition for them you can get the same plan for 40$.
I live on a remote rancho in Co. and got the HN service installed last year. It seemed to be very slow for the first year, however now it seems to be working much faster. I was really disappointed at first, but lately it has been working great.
I had a sat tv service in Orlando in the lat 90s that was amazing and even during the four hurricanes with torrential rains, it was a clear picture with not tiling! It was from Motorola and Voom was standard tv with VaVaVoom was high def. The service cost less than Direct TV with more channels. I believe the satellite was so powerful that maybe it was shared with government use?? They didn’t get enough subscribers I was told that it was shut down. So this proves that a signal can be strong enough to work no matter what the weather!
The problem is that, the motorised antenna setup for current Leo satellites is in the tens of thousands of dollars at least, It will be at least five to ten years before they have a small system at the $300 mark or consumer users, the initial services will be aimed at local service providers who will re distribute the bandwidth locally with Wireless/4G/5G/VHF and also the Aeroplane, Sea and Government markets, please someone correct me if i'm wrong.
@@trevordavies2863 Very ambitious and ballsy statement from Starlink, if they pull it off they will be heroes, if its just hot air nobody is going to take them seriously...
@@MotorsportUK2009 true but being how they have been moving forward with launches and how they have been able to produce the satellites so quickly I would tend to believe they will pull it off
For those saying that a simple cloud or rainstorm could interfere with the signals of satellite internet, I currently live in the middle of the woods, with both satellite TV from DirecTV, and internet from Viasat. Had a storm that knocked down one of the nearby trees. I lost neither of my satellite connections. I was still merrily downloading some music, and watching the weather channel with no issues during the storm. There was a tornado a few miles north of me. A simple storm isn't going to always knock out connection. I have yet to have a problem in a storm. (That is not to say I haven't had a laundry list of problems the size of texas with the internet. It physically hurts me to average in the thousands for ping.)
What is the pricing going to be like? Working from central New Mexico to save money, then paying $1,000 a month in data charges would be a show stopper.
Who only gets 300/ms latency with satellite internet? on a good day its 600-1500
The speaker is uninformed. You can get this latency on an O3b satellite which is MEO (Middle Earth Orbit), but no way, you can do that on a HughesNet or Viasat GEO (Geosynchronous Earth Orbit). Even if you and the teleport were directly below the satellite, the signal still has to travel (4 x 22,000 miles) to ping a server in the teleport. Dividing 88,000 miles by the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) gives us 473 ms. That's the very best you can do, and very seldom are the client and the teleport directly under the satellite on the equator.
@@ptgannon1 For youtube that was an astoundingly informed comment. Are you sure you're in the right place?
Sque333
lol true
i lived near a big city in ar and had bad internet couldn’t use even to watch yt i moved to a tiny village in ak and now have much better internet but capped and it costs hundreds of dollars but viasat is available but we can’t put anything on are roof so bad luck i guess
@@RealGalaxyGamers as I understand it, agreements have been put in place to build what's called a "MicroGEO" satellite to be placed in orbit and deliver service to Alaska.
Most GEO satellites are very large because it's so expensive to put them in orbit, that the manufacturers figure they might as well max them out. However with new electrical propulsion systems it's becoming more economical to put smaller satellites into GEO orbit. Instead of covering very large geographic regions, they provide a hotter, smaller signal to a region like Alaska where it is extremely difficult to pull fiber or install microwave towers, given the terrain.
Be patient - it looks like it's coming! (However it's still GEO. It won't solve the latency problem for gaming - but it should reduce costs and increase speeds).
www.bcsatellite.net/blog/microgeo-satellites-stake-out-a-claim/
The speaker really doesn't know much about satellite technology, and I addressed some of the issues in the comments here (I'm in the industry). We keep hearing about how these new mega-constellations are going to provide service to people everywhere, no matter how remote; but right now there is a big piece missing, and that's the terminal (antenna). Today, in order to use LEO satellites, you need dual tracking parabolic antennas which are very expensive. Unlike GEO satellites that sit in place above the equator, LEO satellites are screaming across the sky. One antenna will track a satellite coming in over the horizon, and as it goes over the other horizon, a second antenna will pick up the new one coming in as the first one goes out of sight, and seamlessly hand over the connection. This gear is expensive and requires a lot of maintenance. This is not a solution for Joe Consumer.
FPA (flat panel antenna) terminals based on phased array technology will be used to track two or more satellites and hand off connections. This equipment is still very expensive and is limited to markets like airplanes, maritime, and it's working into bus/train markets. It still has quite a ways to go before it's a Joe Consumer solution.
The first services, therefore, will probably be to large companies wanting low latency connections, where fractions of seconds equate to millions of dollars in financial trading markets, for example. They will go to MNOs (mobile network operators) who will use them as large backhaul circuits and connect users locally with cell towers, and to WISPs (Wireless ISPs) who will do the same thing. In my view, we have a ways to go before these new services are available to the consumer market, because of the cost of the terminals. However, it's a fast moving industry, and perhaps there are FPAs in development that we haven't heard about yet.
What really seems to be going on here, is a challenge to terrestrial fiber networks. These large networks in the sky will be faster - light travels faster in a vacuum than in fiber cables - and they will be intelligently switched so you can get your traffic between any two places on the globe very quickly - faster than fiber. I see the consumer market as part of the marketing campaign, but I think it's really an afterthought, since I think big companies are going to buy into these new superfast, intelligent switching networks, and consumers will have to wait for terminal costs to come down.
keep in mind spacex with starlink is in the process of designing and building there own phased array antenna for starlink and has said cost will be around 300 so hardly very expensive if they can pull it off.
That said the speaker on this does not know jack about whats coming and failed to do any research if they think dish's are what people will be using.
Telesat said their LOE constellation latency will be 20ms. That’s huge for MNO backhaul hard to reach areas because 20ms works for voice. The crazy thing for me is these birds are all moving, and they work with planes/ships that are also moving - the algorithms for this seems pretty cool
As long as a dish is involved I have no intention of using any kind of satellite internet or tv because I have no interest in having those unsightly things drilled into my roof.
I think a better solution to curb costs would be for the isp to build local hub stations where signals are transmitted to and received from the satellites. Any costs are reduced as the antennas service multiple customers. Then signal goes to customers on underground fiber connections.
As for an antenna/dish on my roof. Let me know when they can make my roof the antenna and I might be interested.
Question though, why not just have an antenna that transmits to/receives from the entire sky? So any network satellite in the sky receives the signal, rather than having to follow specific satellites. Why does it need to be pointed directly at the satellite? I know inverse square law and all that but if it's only travelling to LEO is it really that big a deal?
@@PlutozReal starlink does not use a dish it uses a square box about the size of a medium pizza box you dont point it at a satelite as it's a phased array it locks onto any sets that cross its path
@@trevordavies2863 correct. In fact, they most likely will incorporate such an antenna into the roof of the Tesla semi. Phased array antennas can beam form a virtual dish pointed in any direction fast enough to service multiple endpoints simultaneously. (A MUX if you will.) Aircraft use them for radar to do 1000s of sweeps per second. Otherwise they would never be able to track incoming missiles. As the tech becomes more refined, I expect them to put these antennas in the hoods of cars. That way you can have a wireless hotspot from your Tesla all day long. I would welcome a new data/phone provider. They're cornering the markets now. Competition is good!
Excellent! I just know how far we've come since 1990. Exponential increase of tech advance: I really have no complaint. Even when I had to wait 20 minutes for a download, after all was said and done, I said to myself: it was worth it.
Yay maybe I won't be paying $160 a month for 1mbps
I grew up in rural area with only GPRS coverage and awful dial up that gives 33.6kbps, shuts down all other neighbours phones , takes 1hr to open a page and charges by 30 min, Mobile gprs data was literaly 1000 more expensive than a Sattelite but had a speed of the turtle and ping that was giving my dad enough time to have a cigarette. I can say the speed of a sattelite network is still decent, its the long ping (especially for dual way systems), high price and dependence from weather that make it an Autonomic source rather than constant and stable source. It's more for people who need an interned for basic needs, emails, school or work than for leasure.
if you buy starlink. you can get 1GBPS for $80. imagine getting wifi one thousand times faster for half the price lmao
@@mabros26 it's work in Afghanistan I want starlink
same!
This would have been music to my ears a couple years ago. I live in very rural west tn and have dealt with viasat internet since I moved here 10yrs ago. paying over $130/month for 50gb of data before being throttled. but yesterday my electric co-op put the box on my house and in 2 weeks I will have fiber optic through them at $50/month for unlimited data and 1gbs of speed where this am I am at 2.2mbps
the gov should step in and wire the entire U.S. like they did with the electrical grid years ago
@@jameshowlett4438 true.. Thankfully our rural electric co-op is doing that for all its members and as of December 2nd I now have fiber internet at 1000mbps and no data limits..
PUD for my county will be running fiber optic cables in the rural parts of my county starting in May. I am stuck with hughesnet until they get it set up. Hopefully sometime in 2020 I will have descent internet, and be able to play games online again. Updates really suck when you have data limits too.
@@jameshowlett4438 I am so jealous of you. My area still barely has Ethernet. It's gonna be 3-5 years for Fiber
@@tweech2000000 hell i dont think they're even trying to improve where i am at.. and the places around me with land line have slower speeds than my satelite. just a bit lower ping.
Alien visitors are gonna love avoiding all that trash in the sky.
Think of it as a passive defense system
Yes, and eventually we will make the earth a prison we cannot escape from.
it's all a lie and you're gullible, search for a real photo of a satellite in space, i dare you.
@@shanktheglobe954 I was jokingly going to say ...Flatearther? then i looked at your TH-cam page.Your world can be whatever shape you like but mine remains round until i know of proof otherwise.
@@MrRogermash you got it backwards bro, flat earth is the default because it's all we observe and experience. it is flat and motionless until proven otherwise. you been to space bruh?
I used to live in a rural area my internet IPS options we're very limited, we had "hues satellite internet", radio tower internet, & 4G cellphone internet, having used them- they are all horrible options with very small datacaps only 20-50gb per month which is NOT usable!
Xfinity is fine don't mind paying through nose.
It reduce latency between continents (faster than fiber). It will greatly improve global commerce.
As has been noted in the comments, I erred in saying that users would be using a dish to receive the signal -- it would actually be an antenna. Even better! Thanks for the correction!
A dish is an antenna.... 🤫
Questions:
a. The Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken, projected to be at it's weakest around 2035. The Earth's magnetic poles continue to move, most probably on their way to another magnetic field flip. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, looks like it will this time.
A weaker magnetic field would allow more harmful cosmic radiation energy to reach the surface of this Earth, and us. But putting our potential extinction aside for the moment, satellites operate off of very small volts and amps. The extra cosmic radiation energy might cause some of these satellites to either outright fail or at least prematurely fail. And then of course whatever does not burn up in the atmosphere will crash here on Earth somewhere.
But, what is society going to do probably when, not if, we lose satellites?
b. The Van Allen Belts around this Earth trap protons and electrons. As the Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken, so too would the Van Allen Belts. The sub-atomic particles would be getting pulled toward the Earth due to Earth's gravity along with any solar or cosmic radiation pushing them from behind toward the Earth. Currently, the Van Allen Belts are thickest around the equator and taper off towards the poles. But, as the magnetic poles move, so too does the Van Allen Belt's trapped area. At some point in time, the Earth, (and us) might get bombarded with sub-atomic particles, more so in some areas on the Earth, less so in other areas, and it might just be a crap shoot as to actually where.
But, what if the satellites get affected by the bombardment of those sub-atomic particles? What is society going to do probably when, not if, we lose satellites?
Still waiting for quantum entanglement communication, even 3ms is still too much and antennas are a PITA.
@@technosaurus3805 useful communication is not possible through quantum entanglement. Communication is still limited to the speed of light. It's not a real easy read, but Sean Carroll's "Something Deeply Hidden" will explain this in more detail than I can.
Dude you're full of shit.
How will they justify setting up internet in space when every launch costs a few hundred million and internet service providers don't make remotely anything close to that to cover their investment?
You're either gullible af or you're dumb as dog shit which is it
So internet will be down when it rains?
Who's going to come out and clean Snow off of the Dish??
@@geezer652 That is your job.
It's going to be a flat panel receiver, rather than a dish. There might be something you could spray on it, like Rain-X on a windshield. Or even use an actual mechanical wiper.
It's gonna work similar to WiFi, you'll be fine with some refraction
@@geezer652 You put a car add on window defogger on the back side of a dish. A single fine copper wire taped to the back and powered by DC. Or buy a rear window defogger kit.
Playing games where .2 seconds determine life or death in a game yeah internet makes a huge difference
Don’t get fios
Try 1100+ ms on hughesnet
Yowch!
Yeah, I'm waiting for my Hughsnet contract to expire.
I tried downloading the bitcoin blockchain on Wildblue once. It actually *corrupted* the files once it was all said and done. It wasn't just the speed and latency that was terrible on their network..
HughesNet sucks.
twdarcy same
On top of that Satellite internet will have to significantly lower the price and eliminate Data Caps (or MASSIVELY increase the limit at least)
I wonder if I'll come back to this video in 5 years from and say ....damn, what happened? ;)
Sad how people will put their health and well-being on the line just for the sake convenience and entertainment. Not to mention their freedom. Unplug people and live!
Thats ridiculous what are the odds you would come back to this video in 5 years
@@cindydo8781 unplugging from the net for me would be like pulling the plug on life support
No need by the end of this year space x starlink will be available to us and canada first the Antena locks to the sat itself no need for someone to install it
@@matthewpepperl ha ha you bastard
45k more satellites in lower/tighter orbit, what could possibly go wrong....
Good question. There's a lot of work on research to remove space debris right now.
Not much, since we place satellites at different altitudes, they are very small for the most part, and the Earth is huge, but orbit is much larger. All in all, we can easily see that 45k satellites parked in an area multitudes larger than the Earth (since the areas surrounds the entire earth and both the circumference and the diameter of the Earth is very small compared to the space within low-to-mid orbit) would be less of an impact around the Earth than ten fleas would be to a horse.
The reasons that nothing real bad could go wrong is because we put satellites in certain areas, we track all of them, and usually they mostly burn up on reentry. The chances of them hitting something would be so slim, that winning the lottery would have better odds, especially since any space mission planners already know where they are and how to not hit them with a rocket or spaceship. These satellites would be in geosynchronous orbit, also. This means that they are a very long ways away from Earth to get them further from the gravitational pull.
A little critical thinking and you will realize that the Moon orbits the Earth, so, orbit is further than the Moon away depending on speed and mass. It also means that as long as a normal satellite doesn't get far enough to get affected by the Moon's gravitational pull, it could most likely be able to hang stationary in Earth's orbit.
@@mechinizer6911 there is a lot of activity going on now to investigate how to clean up space debris. Yes, the odds of collision are pretty low, which is a good thing, but it happens. We first became aware of how real a problem it could be in 2009 when a US spacecraft accidentally collided with a Russian craft, creating a sort of debris belt and increasing the amount of large debris in LEO by about 70%. There are 250,000 pieces of debris that we can see and track and millions of pieces smaller than that, which we can't see and track. New Radar from LeoLabs is intended to let us see smaller pieces. The ISS has been hit by debris before. It happens.
New satellites are being designed with the ability to de-orbit, so they reduce their orbit and burn up in the atmosphere, but there's a bunch of stuff up there (out of 5000 satellites up there, only 2000 are active), that was sent up with no thought of space debris. This past May a new, huge Boeing satellite IS-29e was apparently hit by debris and is now inoperable. (Thank goodness, I didn't sell any services on it!). On September 18, 2019 the Bigelow Aerospace’s Genesis II experimental habitat, and the Russia Cosmos 1300 satellite had a near miss. No evasive maneuvers were taken - both spacecraft are defunct and inoperable, just part of the ever-growing field of orbital debris… Had they struck each other, they would have created a huge debris field. The India space war test, in which they blew up one of their satellites, also contributed to the problem, and the world's governments need to come together and agree not to do that crazy crap any more - or face extreme sanctions. As I understand it, the science confirms that the potential is there (Kessler Syndrome) to render space unusable for generations. It would set us back at least 50 years.
The new satellites that the video is describing are LEO satellites so they are only a few hundred miles up. GEO satellites are now pushed up into a graveyard orbit with the last of their fuel, but there are still a bunch of dead ones up there floating around, slightly influenced by gravitational pulls from sun, moon and earth.
The region in which GEO satellites sit still in geostationary orbit (GSO) is above the equator 22,200 miles up. The satellites in this video will be much lower and whizzing by at 17,400 mph more or less.
This is a very doable project. Indeed it is a lot of space, but there's also a lot of junk, so there is risk associated with it, and someone is going to have to pay to clean it up as we develop the technology to do so. It's being actively developed and tested now. Next year, for example, the Astroscale ELSA-d project will practice finding, matching orbits, locking on and retrieving space debris and then hauling it down to burn up.
@@mechinizer6911 thanks appreciate your insight as you sound like you might be in the industry. I'm sure this looks great and feasible on a design board. Seems it'd be too risky to me in real world. Let's say there are 3,000 satellites (that we'll admit to) in orbit today. Those new 45k satellites are going to require maintenance, generate their own space junk, need (fallible) humans to monitor & direct them. For one possible contrary reason, let's suppose further that those 3k satellites are by proxy, responsible for, even conservatively, 20% of the 500k pieces of today's "space junk". Proportionally, we would now be putting up another 1.5M pieces of space junk, with associated risk. So I see your 10 fleas (satellites), and raise you 33 more fleas (pieces of space junk to a satellite) for 330 fleas in total. I think the horse might notice. :-) Tied to Pat's comment above, I'd be in favor of "cleaning our closets, before we contract for an addition on the house".
My first thoughts?
Sounds great, but I bet "clouds" still cause problems?(he didn't say) Had that with early Hughes, kind of hard to check radar for tornado warning when you can't get signal.
I feel like space expeditions and mars missions are really wasting money for no reason when they could instead make the internet way better -_-
Right?
Deathwarrior agree
Checkout mark robers video on space exploration
Rather than that countries should stop using money on military funds.
Us uses 2billiion usd every year!
Imagine if the spent all that money on space exploration and intrenets.
I live in rural Arizona and just canceled via stat, slow and expensive
I can't wait for this
Seen any skin walkers?
I live in Florida and had Direct TV. The slightest rainstorm caused an outage. I would not be interested in this system unless the were able to fix this problem.
Sometimes just an electric storm, with no rain messes up directv, it sucks.
Fix it lol 😂 they can't turn off the rain
Wesley Clarke true
@1:45 Latency will cause a delay of signal transmission, but why there will be a mismatch between audio and the corresponding video? Is it not that both audio and video will be delayed by almost a similar amount?
Thanks for the heads up. I'm happy to see that SpaceX is into more than going to Mars.
Used Hughesnet for several months - brings back memories of dialup. With small data caps, even better. Only good for rural isolated areas who don't have any internet.
Careful you don't get copyright striked by Darth Disney's Death Star legal team!
I was using Exede (now viasat) because the only other option was expensive LTE or DSL that couldn't even hit 1mbps.
After months of 600ms, and data caps that kept getting worse and worse, I am now using LTE. Thankfully some companies have ways to get LTE unlimited.
I can't wait to try out the new sat networks.
During the latency demonstrations, it would have been helpful had you clapped your hands on camera.
Is latency a continual problem, as in slow speed throughout internet use, or is it occurring only when a person starts and stops then starts and stops sending and receiving?
@@codypolar6593 latency a lot of times it doesn't have anything to do with your WI-Fi speed you can have 0.90Mbps and get like 30 ping but there's a lot of packet loss and stuff like some internet companies will provide 200mbps but you will still get like 60 ping the reason why some internet providers like HughesNet get 600 ping and then some other satellite providers you can get like 60 ping it's cuz HughesNet and Visat or whatever it's called satellites are in space 60 times higher than starlink as a lot of smaller satellite internet providers just have a tower that's only a few miles from your house as I have satellite internet but we have a tower that's only about 3 mi away or four
Don't forget underwater cables still carry most of the international data. I know it sounds old fashion, but I believe Google just put down more cables between the US and Europe?. Doesn't cost much once the cables are in place.
I’ll believe this when I see it. Maybe ten years from now.
you can see these satellites in the sky right now with your eyes, findstarlink.com/
Theres already 240 starlinks in orbit, 120 more set to launch in march
Satellite internet user here. Our ISP is based out of West Virginia, called Morgan Wireless. I play video games a lot, and the ping is between 60-100 ping, which isn't that bad! Even when my family is on Netflix or TH-cam, I don't lag that much. If you live in West Virginia, consider Morgan Wireless!
Wow. This popped up on my utube feed after telling someone on my voice call that sat internet sucks. Hahaha.
Yes sat internet Sucks!
Scarry huh? I have stuff pop up after conversations at the dinner table.
Yes they lissen
That should scare the shit out of you
@ probably gonna be some kind of projectors built in them huh lmao.
Thank you so much, this helped me a lot with my coursework
lmao "the middle of the new mexico desert" 6:15 that's where i am
What the cable companies don't tell you is that once your data travels from your house to their local headquarters, it is transmitted through their satellite dish to a satellite in space. Then that data is transmitted from a satellite to a cable satellite dish before being locally transmitted through fiber optic lines.
Greetings from the middle of the New Mexico desert. My first thought is to wonder how many cell towers could be put up for the cost of one satellite.
This will benefit rural areas much more than cities. Cities are already pretty well covered. Rural is way behind.
a 18 inch satellite dish will not track the signal of a Low Earth Orbit Satellite. Usually a fixed dish also has problems with trees and buildings. Other problems will be similar to Satellite radio picking up signal from Geo Satellites!
it won't be a dish and it will track the satellites and pick the best one and hand off to the next as they speed past, same way your wifi works fine with many other wifi signals around...
It's going to be a phased array. Info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array
I have ViaSat and LOVE it. I’m routinely pulling 75-100mbs and ViaSat is extremely generous with their soft data caps I used almost 200gb last month and there were absolutely no slowdowns. The latency is there and it’s not at all cheap (15 X more than local DSL) but beats the maximum 1.5mbs of the other option of DSL. I’m paralyzed and work from home in a rural area and ViaSat is a blessing.
I was surprised that my internet was not slowed down like it use to be after I passed the cap I assumed it's due to AT&T moving more towers out near where I live.
i couldn't get more than 1mbps with viasat. shit sucks.
Great video and informative, however some of us "Caribou" who live in Alaska do have thumbs, and our internet is the most expensive there is. Can't wait for the new technology and for Amazon to start selling large Ice blocks so I can repair the roof of my igloo ☺☺
I've been rocking the viasat for this last month, works okay with warframe and dead by daylight. Not great, but its certainty playable. I used to have their old dish, and that wouldn't work at all.
What ping do you get because I feel like there's no way to get less than a 300 ping when your satellites are 60 times higher than starlink and even starlink lowest satellites are like 500 km in the sky
One issue is that at least some people (like me) have sensitivity to radio & shorter wave radiation. I found this out while driving through a particular stretch of mountains multiple times a year in the late 70's, early 80's. Every time I passed through certain areas (that happened to have multiple microwave communication towers and raio station towers), I started getting painful headaches. After putting another mountain between me and the towers, the headaches stopped abruptly. After a year or so of doing this I learned that I could locate radio tower locations by my headaches.... I do not use Wifi and minimize cell phone usage as a result.
How about those who live in the thunder storm capitol of the US (Georgia), rain clouds screw up my sat tv all the time.
This is great news for us rural customers!! Thanks for the great information.
When are Tesla’s going to have the receivers built into the roof?
Burn
I had Hughesnet in the western mountains of Wisconsin for 6 months, and hated it. Soft caps on data limits might as well have been hard caps, because it was terrible when un-throttled, unusable when throttled. I was so glad to get back to Florida and get cable (fiber) internet. Also, the satellite feed dropped if it so much as spit rain, or heavy clouds, or high winds. Even a dense blanket of satellites in low orbit will still have trouble during thunderstorms and such. As a gamer in MMOs with raids, I can't risk dropping connection just because its storming outside. And I doubt the terminal (receiving antenna) will be as cheap as some are saying. Dish antennas have been on the market for 10 years, and are still obscenely expensive for anything but the most basic, fixed focus, units.
I saw "Escape from LA". Snake activates the 666-worldcode and ends modern internet.
I’m pretty happy with the state of cellular based Internet. Between AT&T and Verizon I’m usually in good shape, but it’s always better to have options!
Tcll5850 I live in in RV and wander the country so cable isn’t an option.
Huges Net is real expensive.
What about the cost ? It’s already over priced for the service that we get.
Yeah, good luck with that!
I am ready for this anytime. Our city sold their soul to Comcast, which is the sole viable provider. And their internet sucks big time. Anything would be an improvement.
Next step - Latency via quantum entanglement
Woah, this video is killing it! Great job Craig and team!
As Zevon said “I want to live all alone in the desert I want to be like Georgia O’keef”
I streamed everything through a KODI app until we moved to rural Missouri. We have 22 gigs of data on each of our phones with which we stream with Prime video or the Titanium TV app. We'd love to get rid of Dish/Direct TV again. These new satellites are good news, but I fear they will package the gig plans and make them unaffordable for most consumers. When we streamed we used 80 to 100 gigs a month.
I’m excited about SpaceX’s service!
@Tcll5850 you are sorry
I have just seen a long line of the satellites pass over at 6.30am in the UK. Very impressive.
More NSA covered areas...
I have DIsh in an extremely rural part of Maine and it's incredibly fast--way faster than my service in a big city I also spend time in. The only thing is, the trees keep growing and I'm afraid they're going to block out my satellite dish's eyeline to the satellite soon! It's about $100 for 100 Gb a month, so it's not so bad. For me, tho, 100 Gb isn't enough.
As a unfortunate satellite internet user that is my only option at this point in time my recommendation is if you have access to better internet cable, fiber optic, do it and never even think about going to satellite internet it's just as bad as dial up.... even with absolutely perfect conditions perfect weather got plenty of data and you are perfectly synced with the satellite the lag is absolutely horrible !!!!!! 🤦♂️🤢🤮 Most video games you CAN NOT PLAY PVP unless you have a friend that has better internet with you to piggyback off of and the game's that you can play you get reported as a cheater with a lag switch....
you are comparing two different technologies and strategies..... did you not watch the video? in many cases for gaming satellite actually might be even better ping vise unless you live close to the game server and have perfect routing
@@emko333 I'm taking from experience here my ping right now is 0.900 vs my friends cable internet ping Wich is 0.250 - 0.150 and in the video he even said at best my internet ping would go down to 0.500 Wich is still not even close to cable and forget about trying it against fiber optic exactly how is that better ??? Ya it's better then what I got now but still doesn't hold a candle to other internet options.
@@dragoneye6642 sorry what? why would your ping go down?... you are not going to be using the same satellite or service so it will be a different ping... and no it won't be 500ms and who measures network latency in seconds, its very easy to calculate what the theoretically latency could be LEO 550 km vs GEO where its at like what 23,000 Km? just do that math and you will not be getting 500ms ping that would not be a viable business, space X is promising under 15ms thought i doubt that as it should still need to be doing some routing satellite to satellite at least i think it should so probably like 20-50ms
I look forward to having Amazon Everything, and Space Travel via Space X in my life. I foresee these two companies merging too. Thanks for the video :)
Except you won't have any money to pay for it 😆😆😆
companies merging isn't generally a good thing you know
the bigger they get the stinkier they get
2:50 Gets my hopes up. "More satellites!"
3:01 Makes me a sad rural Alaskan, with still shitty internet. Thanks.
You can get space x starlink soon
I work for companies in the US from rural Uruguay. I have probably a 2 megabit internet connection. I telecommute just fine.
Does this allow people on a boat in the middle of the Ocean to have affordable internet?
yup
Soon, yes. You'll be able to stream the latest VR games from the middle of the ocean
Hurray, if I get stranded on an island, I'll at least have decent wifi to see my waifu!
Even when I was on a cruise ship with 3000 other people, I purchased a wifi package and I was getting unlimited data, 150mbps throughout the entire 12 floor ship, and yes the latency was also very low
I'm giving serious thought to living on a sail boat. This would give working "remotely" a whole new meaning.
I am a new and soon ex customer of HughesNet. The advertised speed is 25 Mbps and I usually only get 3 Mbps max. I tried to count the delay on a family Zoom meeting. The delay was almost 5 seconds! I can’t wait until something better comes along. I won’t even start on the data usage.
As someone looking to be living on a truck within a year this is something I will be looking to get asap....
Its a phased array. That type antenna can track satellites without moving (physically), as well as track them at speed. Basically it looks like a square flat plate.
yeah. elon delivers his fantasies on time and the 1st version works as promised. uh huh.
Can't wait till LEO Internet. My AT&T service is slow and buggy with several outages daily. And that's with the upgrade in bandwidth.
Whelp, there goes astronomy..
I live in the middle of the New Mexico desert. When is it likely that great internet with speeds of 50+ will hit rural America?
Can’t wait to ditch Comcast, cable and internet keep going up, channel lineup goes down.
Sad how people will put their health and well-being on the line just for the sake convenience and entertainment. Not to mention their freedom. Unplug people and live!
Lol! I run four wireless security cameras, two 4k fire sticks, one 4k Chromecast dongle, three smart tvs and still connect tablet's into my whole home mobile hotspot internet. Yes I live in rural area.
"Anywhere?" so the sailing community will finally have internet anywhere all the time now?
yes, anywhere. Maybe not at first while they are still adding satellites, but spacex is adding them quickly now.
Yup, with a pizza box size phased array antenna you have internet. You can attach it to an airplane, your house, or indeed your sailboat.
You kinda forgot about iridium. Definitely worth mentioning as it's sorta half way between systems. Technically a different market though
The flat earthers are going to freak out when they hear this.
They already have their stupid logic in place for the existing satellites.
Let them continue to pay Comcast then for their garbage service. I'll stick with science and convenience thanks
@Damnit Bobby did you seriously like your own comment? Seems just a little odd all of your comments have exactly one like.
satellites don't exist, its cell phone/microwave technology. I've seen many "satellite" dishs on peoples homes pointing almost at the horizon towards hills, and trees. There are ZERO pictures of satellites in space....
K K well, in all likelihood... the MM is posting to get reaction comments... good job fulfilling the dream.
Im from kuwait 🇰🇼, the problem with internet nowadays is when you try to play video games is that you receive a high latency. That is because i connect with American servers, trust me if you play with 200+ ping with Americans that has below 50 ms ping is really unfair. What it really pains me to say is there is literally no solution for that problem. I hope Star-link will solve this issue as soon as possible.
As long as it’s under 30 ms round trip latency then it’s a worthy contender
Switched from Hughesnet to ADSL. Best decision I ever made. I save about $80 bucks a month.
Unless they plan on offering it for a bettet price, they're gonna lose their a$$!
Ma ON they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t they’d make money. This also has to compete with cellular and wired broadband so it’d have to be cost competitive
well if there is competition and they are aiming for mass production , the should be acceptable
at least for people with a high enough currency
i hear starlink is going to start at about 80$ a month and i think that is a gigabit link
I live in Australia, I have to game on 900ms lag as a standard.
this is all moving too fast right im going back to my 14.4k dial up modem
One of the solution already implemented is geostationary Ka-band sats with transpnders base footprints.
Awesome, now I won't have Internet every time it rains.
Maybe it can be affected by weather but it depends on witch bands and how much power they use to transmit the signal they’re going to be closer than satellites we have right now, and I would definitely think that it won’t be affected by satellite position because they’re going to be a constellation of satellites so you will have one always closer to transmit the signal.
@@richie0099 it will suck, just like digital broadcast t.v.
Overall good explanation but the real world numbers for latency are more like 1-2-3 seconds. Keep in mind that there is more to latency than just distance above the earth, there is the slant range and the internal transit time, compression & etc.. I have spent a lifetime in Satellite Communications since the early Intelsat IV birds up until my retirement in 2006 and have kept abreast of the new generation. As I said you did well but left so much out that your numbers become false. Even with the LEO birds, some will have less and some more latency, it is not a fixed delay for any two users unless they are both on the same backbone or block bandwidth being used by the same satellite. Single, double or triple hop paths. Satellites have a fixed bandwidth limited by hardware not throttling..... Oh well its a huge discussion and good people are trying to work it out but I don't see LEO birds as the sole solution. It hasn't eliminated all the other evils they initially claimed it would and LEO has been mostly relegated to Amateur Radio and some specialized data users.
This should help us to destroys ourselves better and faster.
You know more than you are saying++++
Skynet
I moved recently and my satellite wifi is normally about 700-1200 ping. I have to use my phone hotspot in order to play properly, and with that I still get around 90-200 ping.
President Pence will ban porn and there will be way too much capacity everywhere.
In your dreams... 😊
All set ,,, look I'm 80 , and I'm so fascinated with this subject , that I'm thinking about going to the UNIVERSITY to become a technician on internet thanks buddy
Wow, that's a lot of space debris in the future once the satellites reach end of life and are decommissioned.
They burn up.
They get burned at the end of their life
There are at least 250,000 pieces of space debris in LEO (low earth orbit) that we can see with Radar, and probably millions more that are too small to be seen - and many of them are zooming around at thousands of miles per hour. The industry understands the problem and is working on ways to clean up the debris. The idea, generally, is to capture the larger pieces with various methods (nets, magnetic plates, harpoons, etc.) and drag them down to the atmosphere where they will burn up. For example, we've launched about 5000 satellites into space. 3000 of them are dead. Now we're going to launch over 50,000 new satellites in the years ahead... A lot of promise. A lot of risk. If things go wrong, space could become unusable for a couple generations or even centuries. If things go right, the fiber infrastructure on earth will essentially be replaced or significantly augmented, by an intelligent fiber-like switching network in the sky.
New satellites such as Starlink, OneWeb, etc. must file plans for how they intend to de-orbit their satellites when their life is finished. At this time, there are no plans I'm aware of, for anyone to try and land defunct satellites. They would have to carry enough fuel rocket engines, guidance systems, etc. to bring them down, which would increase the cost of sending them up in the first place. The simplest and safest approach is to burn them up in the atmosphere.
*Another instance of someone being concerned over an issue that really isn't an issue...*
@@KnightofDark00180 there are a number of companies spending a lot of research and development money to devise solutions for something you suggest is not a problem....
A company called LeoLabs develops huge Radar arrays that track debris. They are working to deploy new technology that lets them see smaller objects, and deploying this equipment in New Zealand, with plans to add more stations near the equator and poles.
There are hundreds of near-proximity alerts issued every week. Most see the risk diminish as time goes by, but sometimes operators have to move their satellites out of the way.
New satellites are given a cover material, (Whipple shield) that helps deal with micrometeorites, but large debris can explode them into a shower of pieces, each of which becomes a new bullet in space.
The Astroscale ELSA-d project is designed to test new techniques for clearing space debris. A "Servicer" will be launched in 2020 along with a "Client" that will act as debris. The client will be released and then retrieved with a magnetic plate. It will then be released and put into a spin. Servicer will match the spin, and then latch on again. It will be released yet again, and Servicer will use its Radar to find it, match speed and spin, latch on to it, and pull it back down to the atmosphere to burn up. That's quite a project to undertake for something that isn't really an issue!
Japan is developing a solution that uses an "electodynamic tether" to slow down defunct satellites so they can bring them down to the atmosphere. Other solutions include slingshotting the debris, or sending puffs of air in front of debris to slow it, (which makes it fall to a lower orbit where it will be burned up).
The RemoveDEBRIS satellite released from the ISS in Sept of 2018 demonstrated the use of a net to capture a test object.
The Russians are working on a scheme to clear debris from GEO orbits. Just a few months ago an almost brand new $400 million satellite, IS-29e was apparently hit by debris and rendered inoperable. The Russian solution is to launch a huge satellite that by its mass will create a gravity field that will attract defunct satellites and rocket parts. With each new object, the mass grows, hence the gravity field. Low thrust jets will move it around, and when it collects enough, it will raise the debris to a "graveyard" orbit above GEO.
This is just a short list of some of the activities being tested and researched to overcome what in fact is a very significant issue. There is the remote possibility that space could be rendered unusable, which would set us back a couple generations.
I had a Hughes dish in 2000 to use Napster !
Yeh more junk in space...
@Robert Pearce I'm just referring to satellites that we sent up that didn't work as they should have or didn't work at all and could have been fixed so they claimed... Believe me, if it works right I'll support it 100 percent... Have a great day...
How many satellites? You have to dodge rocks when going to Mars, now we have to add satellites as well. Better to stay here.
another major reason people hate satalite that you missed was that the major companies seem to set up in areas where no other satalite company is and gouge the prices heavily.
where I live we have a minimum ping of 700 with viasat and no other options at all. they charge us 100$ a month for this and its still climbing. meanwhile in the nearest town which has dsl and actual competition for them you can get the same plan for 40$.
I live on a remote rancho in Co. and got the HN service installed last year. It seemed to be very slow for the first year, however now it seems to be working much faster. I was really disappointed at first, but lately it has been working great.
I think you may have just gotten used to it. I did.. When I used real internet the other day I was astounded at the speed.
I had a sat tv service in Orlando in the lat 90s that was amazing and even during the four hurricanes with torrential rains, it was a clear picture with not tiling! It was from Motorola and Voom was standard tv with VaVaVoom was high def. The service cost less than Direct TV with more channels. I believe the satellite was so powerful that maybe it was shared with government use?? They didn’t get enough subscribers I was told that it was shut down. So this proves that a signal can be strong enough to work no matter what the weather!
I've got ATT DSL 6mb per sec for $40 per month and I'm a happy camper. But I don't play games.
The problem is that, the motorised antenna setup for current Leo satellites is in the tens of thousands of dollars at least, It will be at least five to ten years before they have a small system at the $300 mark or consumer users, the initial services will be aimed at local service providers who will re distribute the bandwidth locally with Wireless/4G/5G/VHF and also the Aeroplane, Sea and Government markets, please someone correct me if i'm wrong.
You are correct, except that I think the flat panel terminals will come faster than that.
read up on starlink and there phased array antennas they are projecting cost of around 300 and consumer deployment mid 2020
@@trevordavies2863 I've been hearing this for quite some time. I anxiously await the details!
@@trevordavies2863 Very ambitious and ballsy statement from Starlink, if they pull it off they will be heroes, if its just hot air nobody is going to take them seriously...
@@MotorsportUK2009 true but being how they have been moving forward with launches and how they have been able to produce the satellites so quickly I would tend to believe they will pull it off
For those saying that a simple cloud or rainstorm could interfere with the signals of satellite internet, I currently live in the middle of the woods, with both satellite TV from DirecTV, and internet from Viasat. Had a storm that knocked down one of the nearby trees. I lost neither of my satellite connections. I was still merrily downloading some music, and watching the weather channel with no issues during the storm. There was a tornado a few miles north of me. A simple storm isn't going to always knock out connection. I have yet to have a problem in a storm.
(That is not to say I haven't had a laundry list of problems the size of texas with the internet. It physically hurts me to average in the thousands for ping.)
Didn't touch on data caps, but I suspect that will be commonplace once Starlink is available to the consumer.
Yeah just like satellite TV was so great...specially when cloudy yup amazing. Lol we'll see how good it actually is
What is the pricing going to be like? Working from central New Mexico to save money, then paying $1,000 a month in data charges would be a show stopper.
Yes I remember in the mid 90s thay were going to call it ultra net thay were talking about it
whats the general price?