Hello, the audience! This project was made by me for an experimental purpose, but it turned out to be good. During the implementation, there were many obstacles that I solved and gained experience! I hope you enjoy it)
Fellas fellas fellas now darn it I k ow yall are good decent men there's absolutely no reason to bring this man's spirit down he just like you or you like him there a reason you watching this cause you to like to build create and tinker around the shop so grab a beer sit back shoot the fella some ideas for his next video or hell just bullshit yall have had moments when you looked up and someone fed u some negativety and killed your vibe its not a good feeling my friends we must encourage one another Learn teach that's what life's about and you men with tools know this all to well. Any how lift the world so the world can lift you cheers God bless
@ The point [Which you were obviously incapable of understanding ] is that " Winding a giant screw in and out " is completely unecessary in the modern world as the quick release vise has been in use for a century [100 years] My statement was far more useful than your pathetic comment.
Hi, I'm impressed with many people like you who have the Skills you do in working with metal. It's a very innovative and impressive Hydraulic Vice and the only drawback I can foresee over a manual hand powered Vice is that It costs electricity to run it via a compressor and would over time - shorten the life of a compressor - but if Money is no object and you have the Skills and the Time - Then I'd say a job well done - excellent work and Video presentation to go with it! 🙃
In answer to your question in the title, the reason you don't see this being done is because it takes far more time and effort than the end product is worth, even with a well equipped shop such as yours. I enjoyed watching the process, and for the purposes of a fun project and entertaining TH-cam content it was worthwhile. But as a means to obtaining a nice functional vise not so much.
I give you a lot of credit for making this. And the quality of work you put into it but to me that's a lot of work for what a bench vise can achieve. But it's still cool
If I had all sorts of expensive metal plates and stuff kickin around my shop, I would have made SOOOOO many cool things as well. The price of metal pieces these days is way out of hand, and getting anything like a flat plate is not just something you can easily find anymore unfortunately, so something like this little project in this vid and with all of the extra screws and pneumatic parts, would cost a couple $100... The video starts out with a junky old used shock, and makes you forget about all of the other stuff and costs. Neat project though, and I do love watching these on TH-cam for sure!
Find a large metal fab shop near you. Ask them if you can go through their 'scrap' pile. They may just eyeball the weight and let you have it for scrap value. A friend and I have bought truck loads of steel aluminum and brass this way. A lot of the stuff is called 'drops'. Art from Ohio
@@artszabo1015 Oh wow, interesting. Around where I live, there's a steel plant that takes scrap and has bins around, and they pay people for the scrap, so any business that deals with metal, will be recycling their scrap metal there unfortunately... There are some places that sell scrap as well, but their prices are crazy high these last few years.
@@slakjawnotsayin5451 It doesn't matter if they already have a scrap buyer. They MAY let you pick out some of the better pieces for the same price as the scrap buyer just as a courtesy to you. It wouldn't hurt to buy a few pieces of prime stuff too. They would be more inclined to do it if you were a regular customer of the good stuff. They will always have a pile of 'drops' under the shear. Art from Ohio
This is the question, dependent on air pressure. Version 2 could have a small adjustable pressure regulator under the workbench etc. If you need more clamping force, you make one with a bigger diameter cylinder. Air pressure can be divided by area to get force applied.
As an example if that’s 2” cylinder, the face of the cylinder is about 3.14 square inches. 100 psi on this surface would give about 31.4 pounds of compressive force. Area of the cylinder face=3.14 x half the diameter squared Pressure is given in force per area. Divide force per area by the area and you’re left with force.
@@mattm3901 I think your decimal point needs to be moved to the right. Otherwise, yes, I agree. Should be enough force for light wood working, depending upon the coefficient of friction between the surface of the workpiece and the vise jaws.
You need a push-button safety on top of your switch- or something similar. Otherwise someone is going to get maimed closing the clamp- not knowing what it is. Or... they'll have a massive weight dropped on their feet by a bystander curiously walking up and flipping the switch as it is. Impressive. Nice design and build. I watched the whole thing. Thanks!
A tip: start your presentation with the finished product and how it's used, THEN show how it's made. I dare say you get more people watching the whole show rather than scanning quickly to the end.
This is brilliant. To know the outcome beforehand and be able to visualize what one needs to get to the end product and how to make use of something that has nothing to do with the end product take an extraordinary man!
I have a very similar vice. Only mine does not use air, it use a screw. Mine has a handle like yours... just give it a quick turn and the vise holds the part very firmly.
Im guessing alot of people that watched this video and then said a waste of time and suggested to go buy one, wouldn't have any skills to use one if they themselves went and bought one,
I enjoyed watching you fabricate this but I laughed at the question printed on the dash board asking why hasn't anyone done this?? Answer=Because it is nearly impossible for any weekend DIY'er to accomplish such a feat with all the special tools and a lathe and specialized materials. You might as well have fabricated a time machine with your ability and know how and shop tools. I have a $50 wood vise in my shop that does the same thing as the Rolls Royce you made. No Offense I'm just in Awe of your creation~!!
This man is teaching all you kids how to be self sufficient. Instead of getting by in the instant gratification, throw it away , youtube, world... this is a class on how to live... forget just getting by! Live and learn before it's too late, what some of these people ( like this gentleman) are showing you is survival 101.
Почему это не использовали раньше? Да потому что это нерационально. Только для удовлетворения своих амбиций. Никому это сложное сооружение не нужно. За идею лайк 👍😁
Im reading the comments and some are mind blowing as to the level of ignorance that is really out there in this world. Yes its a vice. Yes you can go buy whatever and be done. But what i see here is a massive time saver in many ways. People need to open their minds to more than basic and look at a bigger picture. I dont know about everyone else but i can attest to the frustration of having to open a vice very wide to hold something that didn't need a metric ton of pressure to hold it in place to work the part for a few seconds that you then have to close the vice by screwing it all the way in. How many of us never fully close it and return the handle to its proper home position? Raiae your hands. ✋ i know i have taken a corner of a jaw to my hip more times than id care to remember. But hey, im a flexible open minded DIY'R myself so i can appreciate the bigger picture. Excellent job. I never gave this a thought until now and i think i just might craft a version of this this weekend. Keep up the great work.
very simple you say? ever heard of a vise? c'mon...now,next, do something very complicated for us to see still, a very nice job, i mean nice to catch your fingers!!!!!!
someone has way to much time on there hands. can do the same thing with a $ 49.00 vise. nice that you have the time to do this and video it. I don't. when I do look at these I always just fast forward thru them to the end just to see what it turns out to be. 99% of the time I think wouldn't it just be easier and cheaper to just go by one. but nice thinking for using your brain and ingenuity.
I'm not trying to speak for everyone, but I know why I haven't done this before. I build lots of things. I build them to save money or to have things that can't be purchased.
Too much, not to much. The thing is: In places like Pakistan or India and many African nations, access to money and tools may be so difficult that this hack could mean the difference between having a business and not.
A shovel with a rope handle. Thousands of dollars worth of equipment, hours of time and lots of material to make a device that has little practical value. Why?
There is this trend on TH-cam to deceive people so the person showing the videos gets the clicks. Say something catchy to make people curious. HEY! SHOW THE FINAL PRODUCT IN THE FIRST 30 SECONDS AND STOP WASTING OUR TIME!!!! I DONT NEED AND DONT WANT AND WOULD NEVER WASTE THAT MUCH TIME ON A PNEUMATIC VICE!!! BUT CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING ME TO CLICK ON THIS (your work is amazing and you have skills but) THIS IS A STUPID VIDEO!!! IM SUGGESTING THAT EVERYONE ELSE THAT GETS TRICKED INTO WATCHING THIS STUPID VIDEO TO NOT JUST LEAVE BUT TO THUMBS DOWN THE VIDEO AND THEN LEAVE. STUPID CLICK BAIT!!!
why hasnt anyone done this before? simple what awaste of time screw clamp works way better your junk doesnt hold anywhere tight enough around $20 for one
If I buy everything in life and don't think with my brain. There will be no development! Sometimes you need to do something yourself, even if these are controversial decisions, but they add experience.
A bit optimistic thinking that EVERYONE will want to make one of these. A good exercise for a basic level engineering student, otherwise, a total waste of time.
Mate you have got to be kidding me 😂, ALL that TROUBLE for a SIMPLE VICE, you have got to much time on your hands, you can buy a vice and do the same job, All that fantastic equipment you have in your shed And THATS ALL YOU CAN COME UP WITH, , very SAD
Good afternoon. Thank you for your opinion. As they say in this world "Not all at once" Try to come up with something yourself, you will realize that everything is not so simple.
Maybe if you were more familiar with this type of work, you would appreciate it more. As a woodworker myself, I can see some definite advantages to this. I want one.
Does that look like a simple vice? Well, to you maybe because you don't understand the technology being used here or the fact that he took some junk and built a pneumatic vice using basic shop tools without having to spend his hard earned cash to buy it. Time equals cash... You work for money to spend far too much money to buy a cheap inferior vice. He took junk and made a better one... Which is the smarter path? We used to make things, now we buy crappier versions and then when it dies, we throw it out and buy more cheap crap. This video is here to show you how we can be builders again, how we can make interesting things with basic tools, not fantastic equipment, in fact you could do it all with hand tools if you have the time and will. I have seen men on TH-cam pull out a small car motor that had been under water for years, and with just basic tools he rebuilt it into an outboard motor. There is much to be learned here and online, but if you don't learn these basic skills, you will never have them. The question is, do you have any content showing you building anything of any value from nothing?
Ah, you may be 100% correct, but would you then watch the video of him ordering that vise? Most people that watch these would never attemp something like this. We just watch for entertainment. Reasonableness has nothing to do with it. If fact, it may be less reasonable than making this. Enjoy.
Hello, the audience! This project was made by me for an experimental purpose, but it turned out to be good.
During the implementation, there were many obstacles that I solved and gained experience! I hope you enjoy it)
What a cool steampunk musical instrument; its a very beautiful addition to any drum kit.
Fellas fellas fellas now darn it I k ow yall are good decent men there's absolutely no reason to bring this man's spirit down he just like you or you like him there a reason you watching this cause you to like to build create and tinker around the shop so grab a beer sit back shoot the fella some ideas for his next video or hell just bullshit yall have had moments when you looked up and someone fed u some negativety and killed your vibe its not a good feeling my friends we must encourage one another Learn teach that's what life's about and you men with tools know this all to well. Any how lift the world so the world can lift you cheers God bless
Bro if people were capable of being decent the world wouldn't be in the condition it is😅
Good idea. Good luck implementing it.
Every video on TH-cam is full of negative comments anymore.
@@ChuckNorrisUltra Ah keyboard warriors if they cant make they can destroy!
I like that drill press jig!
100% EXCELLENCE 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Art from Ohio
I can tell you put a lot of thought and design and even build ideas into this. Seems to do what you wanted. Thumbs Up!
Very nice idea !!! Excellent design and execution of that idea I think it will serve very well I like it !!! 👍👍
How cool is that? You sir are a genius!
I LOVE the way your mind works! What an amazing invention! Love it 😁👍💙
Glad I waited till the end. That is awesome😊
Ingenuity at work!
You have just inspired me to try doing a small power hammer using a similar method.
I like it, very clever.
I thought it was going to be a stool or chair with adjustable height. Still a very useful idea for woodworking and such
Now there's a idea... with remote to eject MIIL!
I'll try, very nice job 🎉
Very skilled craftsmanship
A Pneumatic Vise, what a cool idea!!!
I was having a bad day. Watching this was therapeutic. Thank you. 😊
Nice job! A path, well taken.
I wouldn't mind having one of those. Pretty quick, especially for craftsmen that need to keep moving the part around a bunch.
Dude! I gave you a sub and a like just for cutting 1/2" plate with a grinder
Very nice! Saves a LOT of time compared to winding a giant screw in and out. Very nice, indeed.
They have invented the quick release vise, Approximately 100 years ago !!!
@@barney2633 Yes, all and sundry are aware of that... but do you have something useful to say?
@ The point [Which you were obviously incapable of understanding ] is that " Winding a giant screw in and out " is completely unecessary in the modern world as the quick release vise has been in use for a century [100 years] My statement was far more useful than your pathetic comment.
@@barney2633 Apparently, discerning off the cuff, light hearted comments from serious dialogue escapes you.
@@7eroBubble I think you mean distinguishing
Amazing well done
Hi, I'm impressed with many people like you who have the Skills you do in working with metal.
It's a very innovative and impressive Hydraulic Vice and the only drawback I can foresee over a manual hand powered Vice is that It costs electricity to run it via a compressor and would over time - shorten the life of a compressor - but if Money is no object and you have the Skills and the Time - Then I'd say a job well done - excellent work and Video presentation to go with it! 🙃
Welds could use a little work but that layout is mint
Great idea, pneumatic vice... Well done
Is that what it is ? Well I never !!
great hack and cool. great work!
In answer to your question in the title, the reason you don't see this being done is because it takes far more time and effort than the end product is worth, even with a well equipped shop such as yours. I enjoyed watching the process, and for the purposes of a fun project and entertaining TH-cam content it was worthwhile. But as a means to obtaining a nice functional vise not so much.
After all the buzz: it is a vise :-)) --Clean & decent work though.
I give you a lot of credit for making this. And the quality of work you put into it but to me that's a lot of work for what a bench vise can achieve. But it's still cool
Most interesting to me is the amount of nice steel stock you can get from a shock absorber!
If I had all sorts of expensive metal plates and stuff kickin around my shop, I would have made SOOOOO many cool things as well.
The price of metal pieces these days is way out of hand, and getting anything like a flat plate is not just something you can easily find anymore unfortunately, so something like this little project in this vid and with all of the extra screws and pneumatic parts, would cost a couple $100...
The video starts out with a junky old used shock, and makes you forget about all of the other stuff and costs.
Neat project though, and I do love watching these on TH-cam for sure!
Find a large metal fab shop near you. Ask them if you can go through their 'scrap' pile. They may just eyeball the weight and let you have it for scrap value. A friend and I have bought truck loads of steel aluminum and brass this way. A lot of the stuff is called 'drops'.
Art from Ohio
@@artszabo1015 Oh wow, interesting.
Around where I live, there's a steel plant that takes scrap and has bins around, and they pay people for the scrap, so any business that deals with metal, will be recycling their scrap metal there unfortunately...
There are some places that sell scrap as well, but their prices are crazy high these last few years.
@@slakjawnotsayin5451 It doesn't matter if they already have a scrap buyer. They MAY let you pick out some of the better pieces for the same price as the scrap buyer just as a courtesy to you. It wouldn't hurt to buy a few pieces of prime stuff too. They would be more inclined to do it if you were a regular customer of the good stuff. They will always have a pile of 'drops' under the shear.
Art from Ohio
@@artszabo1015 Ill give it a go, thanks for the info/advice!
@@slakjawnotsayin5451 Let me know how it turns out.
Brilliant work, Vanya! Really well done! 😃
Happy new year!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Nice job buddy. How much holding fore does the clamp apply would you think?
This is the question, dependent on air pressure. Version 2 could have a small adjustable pressure regulator under the workbench etc.
If you need more clamping force, you make one with a bigger diameter cylinder. Air pressure can be divided by area to get force applied.
As an example if that’s 2” cylinder, the face of the cylinder is about 3.14 square inches. 100 psi on this surface would give about 31.4 pounds of compressive force.
Area of the cylinder face=3.14 x half the diameter squared
Pressure is given in force per area.
Divide force per area by the area and you’re left with force.
@@mattm3901 I think your decimal point needs to be moved to the right. Otherwise, yes, I agree. Should be enough force for light wood working, depending upon the coefficient of friction between the surface of the workpiece and the vise jaws.
@@TJ14142 And the hardness of the piece clamped?
I realy like this ❤
You need a push-button safety on top of your switch- or something similar. Otherwise someone is going to get maimed closing the clamp- not knowing what it is. Or... they'll have a massive weight dropped on their feet by a bystander curiously walking up and flipping the switch as it is. Impressive.
Nice design and build. I watched the whole thing. Thanks!
It’s not exactly kid-safe but who else is walking around your place randomly touching things they don’t understand?
Interesting, thanks.
A tip: start your presentation with the finished product and how it's used, THEN show how it's made.
I dare say you get more people watching the whole show rather than scanning quickly to the end.
Had me in the first half not gonna lie.
I was expecting a DIY racing air jack to lift the wheels off the ground.
Nice job , more people don’t do this because they don’t have your shop loaded with all the right stuff . But it would be quite handy .
Awesome!
Cool idea
This is brilliant. To know the outcome beforehand and be able to visualize what one needs to get to the end product and how to make use of something that has nothing to do with the end product take an extraordinary man!
Nice job of re-purposing materials. Nice design, great paint color. Looks like it will be very useful.
Very good. Not to sound negative, but I hope you don't get any body part caught in it when you bump the switch!!
hi ! of course we appreciate your effort, nice work as usual, your video are always fun to watch, thank you
Thank you for your high appreciation! I'm glad you like it
Rube Goldberg would be proud.
I have a very similar vice. Only mine does not use air, it use a screw. Mine has a handle like yours... just give it a quick turn and the vise holds the part very firmly.
almost the same, i bet yours doesnt snap shut in an instant and crushing your hand though
Wow! Always out of the box thinking! 👌
Im guessing alot of people that watched this video and then said a waste of time and suggested to go buy one, wouldn't have any skills to use one if they themselves went and bought one,
This would be awesome for people that need to keep moving a part around to get to different angles. I would use it for knife making.
Awesome work.
I enjoyed watching you fabricate this but I laughed at the question printed on the dash board asking why hasn't anyone done this?? Answer=Because it is nearly impossible for any weekend DIY'er to accomplish such a feat with all the special tools and a lathe and specialized materials. You might as well have fabricated a time machine with your ability and know how and shop tools. I have a $50 wood vise in my shop that does the same thing as the Rolls Royce you made. No Offense I'm just in Awe of your creation~!!
Cool 😎 👍🌟🌟
Smooth as a mofo the TRUTH
Mi piace 😊
Nice!!!
I have a small home machine shop and love old shocks. Most are 4140 shafts and the tubing is carbon steel.
Any idea what the closing/holding pressure is?
well thats a good way to sponsor hand-reconstruction surgeons
And other bits if standing too close?
@@johntouw3153 make sure you instal it above waist level
Something good for pinching your hand in, but I don't think it will keep your boat from floating away.
This man is teaching all you kids how to be self sufficient. Instead of getting by in the instant gratification, throw it away , youtube, world... this is a class on how to live... forget just getting by!
Live and learn before it's too late, what some of these people ( like this gentleman) are showing you is survival 101.
Почему это не использовали раньше? Да потому что это нерационально. Только для удовлетворения своих амбиций. Никому это сложное сооружение не нужно. За идею лайк 👍😁
Gonna lose the tips of your fingers with that thing.
So much effort. 🤪
Excellent craftsmanship.
Tha amercan Holesaws are out of this world. The ones we buy can hardly cut 1mm sheet metal.
Im reading the comments and some are mind blowing as to the level of ignorance that is really out there in this world. Yes its a vice. Yes you can go buy whatever and be done. But what i see here is a massive time saver in many ways. People need to open their minds to more than basic and look at a bigger picture. I dont know about everyone else but i can attest to the frustration of having to open a vice very wide to hold something that didn't need a metric ton of pressure to hold it in place to work the part for a few seconds that you then have to close the vice by screwing it all the way in. How many of us never fully close it and return the handle to its proper home position? Raiae your hands. ✋ i know i have taken a corner of a jaw to my hip more times than id care to remember. But hey, im a flexible open minded DIY'R myself so i can appreciate the bigger picture. Excellent job. I never gave this a thought until now and i think i just might craft a version of this this weekend. Keep up the great work.
nice
very simple you say? ever heard of a vise?
c'mon...now,next, do something very complicated for us to see
still, a very nice job, i mean nice to catch your fingers!!!!!!
What kind of pressure does it have? can you put something like an apple in it to see what kind of damage it might do to a hand or something?
sometimes it's better to throw something away than waste time
Where can I get that snazzy bench drill clamp at 1.10? Gotta have one!
It is sold together with the drilling machine. Unfortunately, I did not see it on sale separately.
Don't get your fingers in it, no second chances there.
someone has way to much time on there hands. can do the same thing with a $ 49.00 vise. nice that you have the time to do this and video it. I don't. when I do look at these I always just fast forward thru them to the end just to see what it turns out to be. 99% of the time I think wouldn't it just be easier and cheaper to just go by one. but nice thinking for using your brain and ingenuity.
Agree completely.
Funny was thinking and did the same. Smart wood working vice at the end of it though. How long before somebody gets a blood blister or worse 😂😂
it's not a shock to start with its a strut. different thing
I'm not trying to speak for everyone, but I know why I haven't done this before. I build lots of things. I build them to save money or to have things that can't be purchased.
Better not get your finger caught in there!!! That would really hurt!!!
💯👍😊💯
how strong is the clamping force?
Hi. Approximately 250kg (551 lbs)
A hydraulic version is needed for more effort
@@hand_craftWhat air pressure are you using to get 551 pounds of force?
98 PERCENT OF WHAT YOU MADE DID NOT COME FROM THE SHOCK LMBO
Pokaz jak zrobić coś skomplikowanego żeby wyszło słabe imadło. Zmarnowałem czas.😢
So you can't just buy a pneumatic cylinder where you live?
I can, but it's not interesting to me.
Too much, not to much. The thing is: In places like Pakistan or India and many African nations, access to money and tools may be so difficult that this hack could mean the difference between having a business and not.
MYbe somebody already did it and didnt tell you.
You invented the vice. 🙄
A shovel with a rope handle. Thousands of dollars worth of equipment, hours of time and lots of material to make a device that has little practical value. Why?
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There is this trend on TH-cam to deceive people so the person showing the videos gets the clicks. Say something catchy to make people curious. HEY! SHOW THE FINAL PRODUCT IN THE FIRST 30 SECONDS AND STOP WASTING OUR TIME!!!! I DONT NEED AND DONT WANT AND WOULD NEVER WASTE THAT MUCH TIME ON A PNEUMATIC VICE!!! BUT CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING ME TO CLICK ON THIS (your work is amazing and you have skills but) THIS IS A STUPID VIDEO!!! IM SUGGESTING THAT EVERYONE ELSE THAT GETS TRICKED INTO WATCHING THIS STUPID VIDEO TO NOT JUST LEAVE BUT TO THUMBS DOWN THE VIDEO AND THEN LEAVE. STUPID CLICK BAIT!!!
What a load of crap just for a simple vice .so so over complicated for a simple thing u can buy cheap .wasred mybtime watching this
why hasnt anyone done this before? simple what awaste of time screw clamp works way better your junk doesnt hold anywhere tight enough around $20 for one
If I buy everything in life and don't think with my brain. There will be no development! Sometimes you need to do something yourself, even if these are controversial decisions, but they add experience.
A bit optimistic thinking that EVERYONE will want to make one of these. A good exercise for a basic level engineering student, otherwise, a total waste of time.
3rd world engineering. Or, how to waste time and possibly get hurt.
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YOU MUST BE ALOT OF FUN TO BE AROUND HUGH?
LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE
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Mate you have got to be kidding me 😂, ALL that TROUBLE for a SIMPLE VICE, you have got to much time on your hands, you can buy a vice and do the same job, All that fantastic equipment you have in your shed And THATS ALL YOU CAN COME UP WITH, , very SAD
Good afternoon. Thank you for your opinion. As they say in this world "Not all at once"
Try to come up with something yourself, you will realize that everything is not so simple.
Maybe if you were more familiar with this type of work, you would appreciate it more. As a woodworker myself, I can see some definite advantages to this. I want one.
Does that look like a simple vice? Well, to you maybe because you don't understand the technology being used here or the fact that he took some junk and built a pneumatic vice using basic shop tools without having to spend his hard earned cash to buy it. Time equals cash... You work for money to spend far too much money to buy a cheap inferior vice. He took junk and made a better one... Which is the smarter path?
We used to make things, now we buy crappier versions and then when it dies, we throw it out and buy more cheap crap. This video is here to show you how we can be builders again, how we can make interesting things with basic tools, not fantastic equipment, in fact you could do it all with hand tools if you have the time and will. I have seen men on TH-cam pull out a small car motor that had been under water for years, and with just basic tools he rebuilt it into an outboard motor. There is much to be learned here and online, but if you don't learn these basic skills, you will never have them. The question is, do you have any content showing you building anything of any value from nothing?
Thats not a simple wise. Great Job and great idea.
Ah, you may be 100% correct, but would you then watch the video of him ordering that vise? Most people that watch these would never attemp something like this. We just watch for entertainment. Reasonableness has nothing to do with it. If fact, it may be less reasonable than making this. Enjoy.