Thanks for sharing “the rest of the story”. It drives me crazy to hear of a problem or situation where the solution or outcome is never revealed. Now we know so thanks again.
Glad that got figured out. Thanks for posting the update. I think I learned a valuable lesson during this mystery. I have decided to pay more attention to and log my primer and bullet lot numbers. I have always logged my powder lot numbers. I never logged bullet lots, because before this year I didn't shoot at and beyond 600 yards so it didn't really matter to me. But for safety sake, I'm going to log all three now, not just consistancy reasons.
Gotta love the internet for helping solve problems. If I'm having issues with reloads you can almost guarantee someone else has been there and done that before. 👍
Nice piece of info Gavin, I have been reloading for 27 yrs and haven’t come across that issue. Have big issues with that brand of Primers going through my Dillon RF 100 primer filler with inconsistent primer shape and size. Thanks for your great videos 👍🏻😁
Always been a die hard CCI fanboy, mostly because I loaded some of my first hand loads with 35-40 year old CCIs with good results but also because the seem to be consistent lot to lot. I never really messed with Winchester but the few times I did out of necessity, it wasn’t satisfactory. Glad you figured it out and happy to see someone else who adores the .44 Magnum cartridge!
My neighbor just gave me a brick of cci 500 small pistol primers today 12/18/2021 with the price tag of $9.70 still on the box. Would you have any idea how old they are?
@@boricuaarecibo9259 if you factor inflation, probably late 80’s or early 90’s. Stored properly, they will work fine. If the box is a lighter blue with some white and I believe yellow? lettering on it, that would be about the time period IIRC
Good on you and your fellow reloaders, sounds like a solid solution to the problem.👍 As a side note, I have been using a drill bit shank .210" as a primer pocket gage to see if I have enough crimp removed prior to crunching a valuable primer. This is a great channel Gavin, one of my favorites. 🙂
Back another lifetime ago we saw this same thing working up loads for handgun silhouette matches Heavy bullets and max ish ... powder charges . Some of pistol primers " certain brands " would burn through occasionally... FAIL ! On advice from a " Manufacturer " we started using rifle primers because of their sturdier construction and were told to reduce our powder charges and work back up because of the rifle primers hotter ignition , this fixed that issue , we were always watching for signs of overpressure , flattened primers , case rings , and opened pockets ... it was a very enjoyable time working up loads to knock over those heavy plate targets at a distance ... I really enjoy your channel Gavin , if we had your equipment we could have ruled the world ... take care pal ; ) ...
Thanks, love your videos... Please share the information you get from Winchester, such as lot information, as I still have Winchester LR primers I bought several years ago that haven't been used. I don't typically load full pressure on my LR loads, thus I have not noted the issue you have, but, I will hold the primers aside until further determination is noted.
I've had flat primers using Winchester on hot loads in the past I developed for hunting. Switched to CCI and got better results. Never had the black marks on spent shells like you showed. I still have a lot of Winchester primers sitting around from the Obama years (components were scarce and I bought whatever I could find); I'll be interested in lot numbers if Winchester ever lets us know. In the meantime only light loads for Winchester primers.
After 36+ yrs of reloading, the primer was the first thing in my mind. Also when some powder goes bad, which doesn't happen much anymore, if stored correctly, it will smell different.
Thanks for following up. Very interesting how a primer could cause a near catastrophic failure. If I understand it, the primer case was not containing the primer ignition compounded by the case charge igniting back into the failed primer pocket?
One more thing to consider when loading 44 magnum and Hornady FTX bullets is that the case length needs to be trimmed to 1.255" due to the longer olive. This information is stated in yhe 11th edition of the hornady reloading manual.
I've been loading for a long time (1970) and I use CCI primers. I've had 1 run not firer in all that time! I'm using some primers I payed $1.98 for! today it cost me at FFF $11 for 100! And $32 for 1lb #5!!! Thanks for the info.
On rifles, if your firing pin is too sharp you have to choose thicker primer cups like CCI. Federal and Winchester are softer so it doesn't fit to all firing pins.
Just for the sake of completeness, I would have turned the microscope on my primer seating punch, just to make sure there isn’t a nick or ding in it, that could, under some circumstances, deeply scratch the primer, causing a weakening of the primer. You know a defense attorney would insist on it. Are you still using the same seating punch as when you loaded those rounds?
I've seen some really bad ammo related components and bullets coming out of Winchester lately. I was sat next to a guy at the range using factory 308 who had a case head separation and there are loads of stories going around on the Internet. I avoid them like the plague.
You had a primer issue and you were using H 110 (296). I wont use that stuff any more especially from a tree stand. The stuff is just too sensitive to ignition problems.
Yep the intricacies of reloading and the variables of component manufacturing over periods of time that produce billions of rounds will introduce unforeseen anomalies in materials, tooling, workmanship and quality. Combine that with 10s and 100s of thousands of reloaded rounds and inevitably you will run into some unforeseen issues. Makes me want to test lots my components before they make it into large rounds like 460 and 500s&w loads or any rifle rounds
I remembered the recall when he mentioned it! I use WLPs and have a couple bricks and loose packs and remember checking my lot nimbers to see if they were in the problem lots. I was lucky as none of my lots were in the list. Here is a link to the forum on Handloadersbench.com where the issue was discussed last September. www.handloadersbench.com/forum/metallic-cartridge-reloading/primers-powders-bullets-and-brass/819811-winchester-primer-recall
I’ve had the exact same problem with wlrm primers. No where near max loads in two different 300 win mags. Threw away the primers, but they destroyed my bolt face while I tried to figure out what was going on.
If you find it continues in only the one gun and as it seems one per reload had an issue it might not be the ammo necessarily it might be a tight cylinder causing a pressure spike in one specific cylinder safe shooting monitor future sessions
By golly you got some great metrology gear there. I was close, but no cigar. I hear there are new powders these days even better than these legacy ones. H110 & WW296 have been around many a decade. Regards.
I quit using Win LR primers some years ago. They were undersize. The cracks you showed are most likely the result of hydrogen embrittlement when plating the primer cup, although they could be the result of other process deviations in the cup manufacturing process. In short. They are bad primers.
Same thing happened to me recently with large rifle primers. Issue is winchester sucks and won't email me back telling me if my lot numbers are effected
Sounds like you have a lot experience we were loading I wonder if you can tell me if you know what the problem is with the primer backing up and getting a stock to the Pine thing is hard to open the revolver I’ve been using the federal LARGE PISTOL for 44 magnum. Thanks
Gavin, I know I'm a bit late to the party here but I'll chime in anyway. Did you have an opportunity to examine any of the same lot of primers that had not been loaded? I know it might be a stretch but I would think that the stress of seating and then removing the primer could be causing the cracks, although the potential for a crack would definitely be in the primer cup from the start. Were you able to measure the thickness of the cup? I would also put the blame for the cracks to be the possible reason for the rounds that showed gas leakage, however, I would be hard pressed to blame flattened primers on a cracked primer cup. An excessively thin cup, could most definitely be the reason for both the cracks and keakage and the flattened appearance. I don't use WW primers exclusively but a fair percentage of my pistol primers are WW and I've never had, nor seen, any difficulties with them before (and I have reloaded well over 1 million rounds in my life!). Admittedly I don't buy primers very often, mostly because I buy them in case lots of 5,000 at a time and my reloading has slowed down considerably in the past few years (take my word for it, getting old sucks!). Honestly, I am not so sure that your mystery has been solved. I know I might have a bit of a problem finding untouched primers from 2016 but it should not be that difficult to find an undamaged primer from that batch of ammo, unless you happened to have used it all by now. I know I am down to the very last round of .45 Auto from my days of owning a gun shop in the early 1980's but I never had reason to pull any of them apart since they all worked just fine. Odd ballistics can be a real mother bear of a problem to solve when problems do crop up like this! Cheers, jc
Wow my Winchester primers are from around that time or earlier but they are large rifle primers. Shouldn't be much of a problem because I only shoot cat sneeze loads out of that rifle.
I have fired well over 100,000 Winchester primers and never had a primer problem. I believe your ruptured primer is the result of overpressure, not the cause of it. The way the primer looks with a kind of mushroom head is the result of extreme pressure no two ways about it. I know the primers say standard and magnum, but I only use magnum (only)primers with 296/H110 because of low temperature ignition problems I have had. One theory I will offer is this; for some reason you experienced a hangfire, but the primer pushed the bullet out of the case, the the powder ignited, this resulted in a low density ignition circumstance. The hangfire could be only milliseconds, enough for the bullet to move before full ignition. Another possibility is the crimp did not hold the bullet securely enough against recoil, and it started to pull creating a low density situation. Do you know if the high pressure rounds were at the beginning of the cylinder or towards the end? Also your lower than normal velocity would tend to support the low density ignition theory.I can not answer as to the thickness of the primer cups, but I did have a commercial loader tell me about the hardness of the cups. He said that Federal were the softest and CCI the hardest with Winchester and Remington about the midpoint. One thing I saw a number of years ago was a small commercial reloader who decided to tumble some loaded rounds to give them the “final finished look”. Two blown up guns later he discontinued that practice. His theory was that the powder kernels broke and exposed more surface area to ignition. Whatever the cause he never tumbled loaded rounds again and never had a blown up gun. The point I am making is there might be something unrelated to the reloading process that may be the culprit.
A blown primer does not always equal overpressure. More often than not, a blown primer is just a blown primer. In your case, the pressure stays the same, and you change primers.
Glad you figured it out! Now get in touch with Winchester and see what they have to say. I did some internet searches and have not been able to find anything on a Recall by Winchester for their Primers. However many people were experiencing "problems" with Winchester Primers from between 2012 to as recently as 2019. In a few search results it was mentioned that Winchester noted that they Did NOT have an "Official" recall at that time, but did say some customers were experiencing some problems with their primers and Winchester would be happy to replace them. Here is the link to one website/forum that was in one search result, the posts are from 2016: singleactions.proboards.com/thread/16800/winchester-primer-recall
CCI! One question though, do y’all use magnum primers when you are loading with H110 or just the regular large pistol primers? Most load data I have read says use large pistol primers, but several reloaders have told me to use the magnum primers with H110.
Having used both H110 and 296 powders for many years, I have yet to find a reloading manual that does NOT recommend large pistol magnum primers for use with H110 or Win 296. If you know of one that does not, I would be curious as to which one it is! Thanks, jc
I think it has to do with primer detonation in the tray- they even sell a blast shield! Any design with a constant string of primers from priming station to hopper is a LOT more dangerous (including Dillon XL-650). Chain reaction!
Wow 😲😲 Go figure Winchester is defective ammo. Who'd thunk it. After all Winchester has never had any boo-boos. For real though I used to be big fan of Winchester. Mainly cause they tend to be thicker in the brass. But when you start having excessive misfires it's time to switch up. If I'm not mistaken the Beretta m9's had issues in the beginning where they were breaking locking blocks. Apparently Winchester loaded the NATO ammo to commercial specs and didn't account for the thicker brass resulting in Proof loads.
My neighbor just gave a brick of cci small pistol primers #500 in 12/18/2021 with the price tag of $9.70 still on the box I'm going to load 10 rounds with it to see if they're still good.
Found this link with numbers of possible bad lots. www.handloadersbench.com/forum/metallic-cartridge-reloading/primers-powders-bullets-and-brass/819811-winchester-primer-recall
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Thanks for the update. Many channels leave us unwashed hanging for more.
Thanks for sharing “the rest of the story”. It drives me crazy to hear of a problem or situation where the solution or outcome is never revealed. Now we know so thanks again.
You are welcome, I feel the same way about that (when follow-up isn't done) even with discussion forums! :)
Glad that got figured out. Thanks for posting the update. I think I learned a valuable lesson during this mystery. I have decided to pay more attention to and log my primer and bullet lot numbers. I have always logged my powder lot numbers. I never logged bullet lots, because before this year I didn't shoot at and beyond 600 yards so it didn't really matter to me. But for safety sake, I'm going to log all three now, not just consistancy reasons.
Thanks for the information and glad you figured it out.
Absolutely makes perfect sense. Glad you have an answer. 🙂
Thanks Curtis!
Gotta love the internet for helping solve problems. If I'm having issues with reloads you can almost guarantee someone else has been there and done that before. 👍
Kudos to my community of subscribers, you all are THE BEST!
Nice piece of info Gavin, I have been reloading for 27 yrs and haven’t come across that issue. Have big issues with that brand of Primers going through my Dillon RF 100 primer filler with inconsistent primer shape and size.
Thanks for your great videos 👍🏻😁
Always been a die hard CCI fanboy, mostly because I loaded some of my first hand loads with 35-40 year old CCIs with good results but also because the seem to be consistent lot to lot. I never really messed with Winchester but the few times I did out of necessity, it wasn’t satisfactory. Glad you figured it out and happy to see someone else who adores the .44 Magnum cartridge!
My neighbor just gave me a brick of cci 500 small pistol primers today 12/18/2021 with the price tag of $9.70 still on the box. Would you have any idea how old they are?
@@boricuaarecibo9259 if you factor inflation, probably late 80’s or early 90’s. Stored properly, they will work fine. If the box is a lighter blue with some white and I believe yellow? lettering on it, that would be about the time period IIRC
Good on you and your fellow reloaders, sounds like a solid solution to the problem.👍
As a side note, I have been using a drill bit shank .210" as a primer pocket gage to see if I have enough crimp removed prior to crunching a valuable primer.
This is a great channel Gavin, one of my favorites. 🙂
Back another lifetime ago we saw this same thing working up loads for handgun silhouette matches
Heavy bullets and max ish ... powder charges . Some of pistol primers " certain brands " would burn through occasionally... FAIL !
On advice from a " Manufacturer " we started using rifle primers because of their sturdier construction and were told to reduce
our powder charges and work back up because of the rifle primers hotter ignition , this fixed that issue , we were always watching
for signs of overpressure , flattened primers , case rings , and opened pockets ... it was a very enjoyable time working up loads to
knock over those heavy plate targets at a distance ... I really enjoy your channel Gavin , if we had your equipment we could have
ruled the world ... take care pal ; ) ...
Thank you kindly Gavin for keeping us Rldrs updated with the so many variables intrinsic to our beloved Hobby!!; Take care & God Bless!!🙏
Thanks, love your videos...
Please share the information you get from Winchester, such as lot information, as I still have Winchester LR primers I bought several years ago that haven't been used. I don't typically load full pressure on my LR loads, thus I have not noted the issue you have, but, I will hold the primers aside until further determination is noted.
Thank you for posting about what the problem was . I learn something now to watch for . I also use those primers .
Interesting answer to your dilemma
Glad we could help ya . If had a lot of issues with Winchester primers over the years and now only run CCI primers and they have treated me well .
I'll be looking in that direction. I used to use CCI primers for 44 Magnum years back...
Good to have that one solved
Yes, didn't expect that result :)
Awesome information. I've conceded to using only CCI primers.
thanks gavin 👍 we all will help I have used CCI primer good job
Thanks Lee!
Winchester large rifle primers caused some bolt face erosion on a 700 Remington of mine. No where near max charge either, went the cci route after
Great insight to share. Thank you.
Outstanding video ... thank you!
Thank Jim!
Nothing but problems with WW primers, not allowed in my loading room
CCI all day everyday!
Same here
Outstanding detective work!
Glad you found the problem :-)
I've had flat primers using Winchester on hot loads in the past I developed for hunting. Switched to CCI and got better results. Never had the black marks on spent shells like you showed. I still have a lot of Winchester primers sitting around from the Obama years (components were scarce and I bought whatever I could find); I'll be interested in lot numbers if Winchester ever lets us know. In the meantime only light loads for Winchester primers.
After 36+ yrs of reloading, the primer was the first thing in my mind. Also when some powder goes bad, which doesn't happen much anymore, if stored correctly, it will smell different.
Thanks for following up. Very interesting how a primer could cause a near catastrophic failure. If I understand it, the primer case was not containing the primer ignition compounded by the case charge igniting back into the failed primer pocket?
great info. thanks
That is awesome. I would have never thought of a crack in the actual primer. Must be very rare. I am surprised you did not see more of a flash.
Crazy isn't it? Not visible to the naked eye. Love that microscope! :)
One more thing to consider when loading 44 magnum and Hornady FTX bullets is that the case length needs to be trimmed to 1.255" due to the longer olive. This information is stated in yhe 11th edition of the hornady reloading manual.
CCI primers are about the only thing I use. Have used thousands without a material failure even on hot loads occasionally.
I've been loading for a long time (1970) and I use CCI primers. I've had 1 run not firer in all that time! I'm using some primers I payed $1.98 for! today it cost me at FFF $11 for 100! And $32 for 1lb #5!!! Thanks for the info.
On rifles, if your firing pin is too sharp you have to choose thicker primer cups like CCI. Federal and Winchester are softer so it doesn't fit to all firing pins.
Great video and great research together with the viewers! That's how it should work!
Just for the sake of completeness, I would have turned the microscope on my primer seating punch, just to make sure there isn’t a nick or ding in it, that could, under some circumstances, deeply scratch the primer, causing a weakening of the primer. You know a defense attorney would insist on it. Are you still using the same seating punch as when you loaded those rounds?
Getting down to it! Awesome.
Ballistic Tools makes a Go/No Go gauge for small and large primer pockets. i use them all the time on rifle reloading.
I've seen some really bad ammo related components and bullets coming out of Winchester lately. I was sat next to a guy at the range using factory 308 who had a case head separation and there are loads of stories going around on the Internet. I avoid them like the plague.
awesome find brothaaaa
I have used Winchester primers in my .308 for years and had no issues. Have not used em in my heavy revolvers though.
That was fast!
You had a primer issue and you were using H 110 (296).
I wont use that stuff any more especially from a tree stand.
The stuff is just too sensitive to ignition problems.
Without the microscope you probably would never have found that!
Yep, it's crazy what that thing can do.
Gavin & subscribers for the win!
Yep the intricacies of reloading and the variables of component manufacturing over periods of time that produce billions of rounds will introduce unforeseen anomalies in materials, tooling, workmanship and quality. Combine that with 10s and 100s of thousands of reloaded rounds and inevitably you will run into some unforeseen issues. Makes me want to test lots my components before they make it into large rounds like 460 and 500s&w loads or any rifle rounds
I saw those comments and realized I've got most of a brick of WLPs. Any way to know if I've got a bad box without looking at them under magnification?
I remembered the recall when he mentioned it! I use WLPs and have a couple bricks and loose packs and remember checking my lot nimbers to see if they were in the problem lots. I was lucky as none of my lots were in the list. Here is a link to the forum on Handloadersbench.com where the issue was discussed last September. www.handloadersbench.com/forum/metallic-cartridge-reloading/primers-powders-bullets-and-brass/819811-winchester-primer-recall
@@rrabbit1960 Thanks!
@@TheGoodLife62 You're welcome! I hope it helps you or someone else out.
I’ve had the exact same problem with wlrm primers. No where near max loads in two different 300 win mags. Threw away the primers, but they destroyed my bolt face while I tried to figure out what was going on.
If you find it continues in only the one gun and as it seems one per reload had an issue it might not be the ammo necessarily it might be a tight cylinder causing a pressure spike in one specific cylinder safe shooting monitor future sessions
Hey good video but off topic are you going to triggercon this year?
Please get the lot numbers.
I have "some" Winchester primers.
I'm working on it!
I have that same problem with Winchester small rifle primers in 223 sense of change primary to federal gold medal match haven't had a problem
By golly you got some great metrology gear there. I was close, but no cigar. I hear there are new powders these days even better than these legacy ones. H110 & WW296 have been around many a decade. Regards.
Thanks Ben.
also great input from the comments as we are going to be reloading in the future
I quit using Win LR primers some years ago. They were undersize. The cracks you showed are most likely the result of hydrogen embrittlement when plating the primer cup, although they could be the result of other process deviations in the cup manufacturing process. In short. They are bad primers.
Hmmmm.... these are bare brass, not plated...
Same thing happened to me recently with large rifle primers. Issue is winchester sucks and won't email me back telling me if my lot numbers are effected
I've been re-loading for 30+ years and I used every brand primer. I now only use Federal primers.
Sounds like you have a lot experience we were loading I wonder if you can tell me if you know what the problem is with the primer backing up and getting a stock to the Pine thing is hard to open the revolver I’ve been using the federal LARGE PISTOL for 44 magnum. Thanks
@@sergiobedon1 Sounds like your primer pockets are too large or worn out. Try some new brass if you're a re-loader.
How are you going to provide lot numbers for your primers when you dump them into empty bullet boxes, or did you stop doing that? 😊
Gavin, I know I'm a bit late to the party here but I'll chime in anyway. Did you have an opportunity to examine any of the same lot of primers that had not been loaded? I know it might be a stretch but I would think that the stress of seating and then removing the primer could be causing the cracks, although the potential for a crack would definitely be in the primer cup from the start. Were you able to measure the thickness of the cup? I would also put the blame for the cracks to be the possible reason for the rounds that showed gas leakage, however, I would be hard pressed to blame flattened primers on a cracked primer cup. An excessively thin cup, could most definitely be the reason for both the cracks and keakage and the flattened appearance. I don't use WW primers exclusively but a fair percentage of my pistol primers are WW and I've never had, nor seen, any difficulties with them before (and I have reloaded well over 1 million rounds in my life!). Admittedly I don't buy primers very often, mostly because I buy them in case lots of 5,000 at a time and my reloading has slowed down considerably in the past few years (take my word for it, getting old sucks!). Honestly, I am not so sure that your mystery has been solved. I know I might have a bit of a problem finding untouched primers from 2016 but it should not be that difficult to find an undamaged primer from that batch of ammo, unless you happened to have used it all by now. I know I am down to the very last round of .45 Auto from my days of owning a gun shop in the early 1980's but I never had reason to pull any of them apart since they all worked just fine. Odd ballistics can be a real mother bear of a problem to solve when problems do crop up like this!
Cheers,
jc
Are they having the same problem with Winchester large rifle primers too? Or is it just pistol primers?
I have a big cheerio around my firing pin 🤦♂️
Wow my Winchester primers are from around that time or earlier but they are large rifle primers. Shouldn't be much of a problem because I only shoot cat sneeze loads out of that rifle.
My first thought was suspect primers..I'll say that I've never had this happen in all my years of loading with CCI..
How many grains of powder is used for a 230 grain 44 magnum bullet
CCI for the solution!
Yeah, I need to get more in pistol sizes....
I have fired well over 100,000 Winchester primers and never had a primer problem. I believe your ruptured primer is the result of overpressure, not the cause of it. The way the primer looks with a kind of mushroom head is the result of extreme pressure no two ways about it. I know the primers say standard and magnum, but I only use magnum (only)primers with 296/H110 because of low temperature ignition problems I have had. One theory I will offer is this; for some reason you experienced a hangfire, but the primer pushed the bullet out of the case, the the powder ignited, this resulted in a low density ignition circumstance. The hangfire could be only milliseconds, enough for the bullet to move before full ignition. Another possibility is the crimp did not hold the bullet securely enough against recoil, and it started to pull creating a low density situation. Do you know if the high pressure rounds were at the beginning of the cylinder or towards the end? Also your lower than normal velocity would tend to support the low density ignition theory.I can not answer as to the thickness of the primer cups, but I did have a commercial loader tell me about the hardness of the cups. He said that Federal were the softest and CCI the hardest with Winchester and Remington about the midpoint. One thing I saw a number of years ago was a small commercial reloader who decided to tumble some loaded rounds to give them the “final finished look”. Two blown up guns later he discontinued that practice. His theory was that the powder kernels broke and exposed more surface area to ignition. Whatever the cause he never tumbled loaded rounds again and never had a blown up gun. The point I am making is there might be something unrelated to the reloading process that may be the culprit.
Well I have a brick of those primers downstairs that I bought a few years ago, going to have to examine them
Not a bad idea. Probably OK for things like 45 ACP!
Ha, I called it!!!! My first thought and I was right!!! I win a million dollars!!!!!!!
Yep... That was my prime suspect (horrible pun, sorry). Alas, I only commented your video today, I think, so sorry I couldn't be of help!
A blown primer does not always equal overpressure. More often than not, a blown primer is just a blown primer. In your case, the pressure stays the same, and you change primers.
Glad you figured it out! Now get in touch with Winchester and see what they have to say.
I did some internet searches and have not been able to find anything on a Recall by Winchester for their Primers. However many people were experiencing "problems" with Winchester Primers from between 2012 to as recently as 2019. In a few search results it was mentioned that Winchester noted that they Did NOT have an "Official" recall at that time, but did say some customers were experiencing some problems with their primers and Winchester would be happy to replace them.
Here is the link to one website/forum that was in one search result, the posts are from 2016:
singleactions.proboards.com/thread/16800/winchester-primer-recall
I really love the H110 prefer for my 44 mag loads
Winchester ammo sucks. That company has been ruined. Made fantastic guns before outsourcing and their ammo has been garbage for years now.
Ballistic tools make go-no-go for large and small primers if you don't have a machine shop
Love the geekness. 😁
CCI! One question though, do y’all use magnum primers when you are loading with H110 or just the regular large pistol primers? Most load data I have read says use large pistol primers, but several reloaders have told me to use the magnum primers with H110.
Having used both H110 and 296 powders for many years, I have yet to find a reloading manual that does NOT recommend large pistol magnum primers for use with H110 or Win 296. If you know of one that does not, I would be curious as to which one it is!
Thanks,
jc
Hornady reloading manual 10th edition says to use standard large pistol primers. The rest of my manuals call for magnum primers with w296 or h110
Has same issue with their large rifle primers, sent back 2 bricks..they refunded 90.00..burnt a brand new bolt face..different brand from now on..
I have a question about the lee load master reloader. Why does Lee recommend not using Winchester Primers? Do you have any solutions for that issue?
I think it has to do with primer detonation in the tray- they even sell a blast shield! Any design with a constant string of primers from priming station to hopper is a LOT more dangerous (including Dillon XL-650). Chain reaction!
@@UltimatereloaderThank you for responding! Sounds like it's something that can't be avoided. I'll be sure to use caution.
Wow 😲😲
Go figure Winchester is defective ammo. Who'd thunk it. After all Winchester has never had any boo-boos.
For real though I used to be big fan of Winchester. Mainly cause they tend to be thicker in the brass. But when you start having excessive misfires it's time to switch up. If I'm not mistaken the Beretta m9's had issues in the beginning where they were breaking locking blocks. Apparently Winchester loaded the NATO ammo to commercial specs and didn't account for the thicker brass resulting in Proof loads.
My neighbor just gave a brick of cci small pistol primers #500 in 12/18/2021 with the price tag of $9.70 still on the box I'm going to load 10 rounds with it to see if they're still good.
Found this link with numbers of possible bad lots.
www.handloadersbench.com/forum/metallic-cartridge-reloading/primers-powders-bullets-and-brass/819811-winchester-primer-recall
Yeah, I saw that, thanks for sharing here!
@@Ultimatereloader my lot numbers(s) were not within the listed lots, hope it helped.