Labour are currently a watered down version of the conservatives. They are taking people for granted, just because this government has done a poor job, Labour expect your automatic vote.
I disagree, the tories are much more like Labour under blair, probably because both are infested with globalists that take their orders from klaus schwab.
I think Starmer is every bit as dishonest, corrupt and a bully lacking in morals as any Tory MP including Johnson, Raab, Patel, Bravermen, Williamson, and all the rest of these lying cheating bullies.
If you vote for either youre a fool. People seem to forget our last Labour government committed war crimes in the middle east(1million dead in Iraq and no wmds). Then they virtue signal about woke bullshit. And the tories do nothing unless it can make money for themselves.
I despise the current Labour leadership. But I refuse to reward the Tories for the utter omnishambles they have made. I will vote Labour if only to give the current government a well-deserved kick up the backside.
Running as a Labour MP is a privilege not a right and Corbyn with his dragging his feet on antisemitism being soft on terrorism etc forfeited his right. He’s an electoral liability.
@@johnf4279 we lost by 80 plus seats in 2019. We lost seats in what is the Red Wall that we’d held for decades. The planet I inhabit is planet Earth aka planet reality which planet or alternate reality do you hail from, no let me guess, planet ultra left dilettante maybe?
@@davedraycott5779 So are we running with the fantasy that the claims of antisemitism were true? Just want to know what delusional standpoint we're going to take, when arguing over a rigged political system of plutocracy, so I can debate effectively
It is already finished, Starmer is not a Socialist, he is in effect creating his own right wing party in a desperate attempt to ensure The Establishment maintains full control of the nation.
Only MP with a sub minus-40 popularity rating worse than Liz Truss's. You like him. Great. Pity the rest of the country didn't, leaving us with 13 years of Tory rule....
@@django3422 I wish I could believe you're joking. He lost in 2017 too, two defeats which mean the Tories have now had 13 years to trash Britain, one with a historic +80 seat majority....
I am no fan of him .But at least he has principals and is more truthful than most politicians in the Labor or tories camp .Agree or disagree with his views all you like ,but he is a decent bloke ,unfairly treated by the media .
jeremy corbyn is the most loved policitian in his constituency than any else, everyone has or knows someone in that manor where corbyn has intervened and had their backs, imagine that a policitian who listens to his voters, he is a legend in islington
@@ogribiker8535 will he? Ever thought there are large numbers of dissatisfied left leaning voters out there, especially young ones, who thought well of corbyn. Liverpool is a Labour heartland but I can tell you starmer is not popular there but Corbyn was and still is. There are large numbers of activists who will stump for left independents to run against official Labour. They may not win seats but they will split the vote and if this occurs around the country what chance a Labour government? Starmer may be popular in the South but his name recognition in the North isn't that great
Just why did Corbyn impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament ? No leader worth his salt puts his own anti EU ideology first knowing the harm it would do to working people. I call that betrayal and the quicker Corbyn is gone the better. If you don’t like it tough.
@James Arnold You mean Brexit and media lies negated his chances? You mean centrists fomenting trouble and backstabbing their legitimate leader cost Labour the election? Thanks to Corbyn the party enjoyed the biggest swing to Labour since 1945 and he increased membership from around 200k to around 580k which made Labour the biggest party in Europe. Corbyn also turned party finances around to create a surplus within 2 years. Starmer has done the exact opposite...
@@andylucas1175 Whatever you’re on, I’d lay off it. Corbyn was never a team player in the Labour Party , in fact the opposite, but every dog has his day, and he well and truly blew it….for the vast majority of working people who live under the heal of Tory corruption because of his poor leadership. I hope you’re not one of those dead beats who idolise him , because you are going to be very very disappointed.
Corbyn is a disaster for Labour , that’s why. Not exactly a team player before he became leader, priding himself on defying the whip, yet using a 3 line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament.
Jeremy has been my MP since he was first elected. I will vote for him if stands as a Labour MP or an independent. I am sure I am just one of many many more who do so in Islington. KS is making a huge mistake which will only help the Tories stay in power
So vote for BIN CORBYN 😂 Our home grown traitor, who loves terrorists and is also known to be an anti semitic.. Little Weasel is hated by the vast majority of the decent British public...
I'm no fan of labour or Jeremy Corbyn but this stinks to high heaven . You can't just ban somebody from standing as a candidate because you don't like their opinions.
What's happened to Corbyn is a lesson to anyone with ambitions of remaking society for the better by attacking power structures. Power always fights back. There's nothing more vindictive than power.
It doesn't matter anyway as the West is imploding together 😂. The real power is moving East and we will get left behind as all our politicians are clueless. Including Jeremy to be fair. Though he came the closest to speaking truth to power and advocating for the majority.
Stalinist. The charge against him in the NEC meeting today is reported to be that Labour's chances of winning the next GE will be 'significantly diminished' if he is allowed to be a candidate. If many in the PLP had not undermined him in collusion with the media he would have been Prime Minister in 2017. Outrageous but not surprising. The bogus accusation that the left prefers to be a protest movement than in power ( nonsensical anyway) was actually true of the right while he was leader, such was their determination to prevent him winning an election. The price is high though- Labour has no future in being the same as the Tories.
@@zenoist2101 Yes I've always been conservative leaning myself which is why I'll be voting Reform this time round but this kind of Stalinist approach to gag Corbyn is sinister... I can't stand the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and his band of Trotsky's but he's got every right to be heard......like anyone else... ☹🇬🇧
Good thought! Mentioning 'Real Labour' though? Not sure. Puts me off anyway. 'Labour' is tired & out of date in my head. We need something new here? Something inspiring. Not seen anything yet.
@@internetual7350 First thing: I would avoid 'Labour' in the title. The LP/MSM right have demeaned the word. My suspicion is that major change will ensue after the disaster in Ukraine unfolds. European wars have always done this... Then all will be in meltdown, & all is possible.
@@soviet9366 What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? As in, in what universe is this off brand ken doll with a stupid title in any way justified in trying to exile an actual supporter of labour's core values? You don't have to want Corbyn back in charge to accept that Starmy is being a peenarse.
He is toxic now, due to support for antisemitism and for Russia. Also he was the person who allowed hard Brexit. So whatever else good he has done, he almost destroyed the party, so it's normal that now he should be booted for electoral success
If he switched sides to Conservative and went back to his original Pro Brexit stance would you still vote for him? I think he was correct in his reservation towards Letting Brussels run the whole show over here. Then Old Labour made him change his independent mind as Leader of The Labour Party. This was a sign of weakness in Labour. And Jeremy had a target on him from his own party, even more weakness. We can’t allow the left and the right to find common ground, so much easy money involved when things are divided😮
I suppose the pendulum swings always - a leader who cared and was passionate about helping people was bound to be followed by a grey, malfunctioning, walking chatbot, a non-entity even amongst other non-entities 😭🤮💩 #endthetoriesforever
@Matt C, *EXACTLY what I’ve been saying!* The Greens *need* someone high profile who *knows/is connected to* what’s really happening in the *real,* working ‘class’, P.O.C., disabled, street drug using, addict, survival sexworker, trafficked person, wrongly convicted, ex-con, abuse victim/survivor, and impoverished *life* anyhow.
This is something I could MOST DEFINITELY get on board with. I’ve been Labour all my voting life (33 years) and am not comfortable having to vote for what they’ve shown themselves to be in recent years #IstandwithJeremyCorbyn
Who would have known he was a snake in the grass? When that glossy leaflet , no, broadsheet came through my door( remember how much he was funded in comparison to RLB) it went straight in the green bin. I'm amazed how surprised everyone is. Now, which tory to vote for?
@@SuperJal1979Wrong! The complete trashing and smearing of Corbyn, and by association, the millions voting for him, by a right wing establishment, including from within his own party, "is part of the reason B**** had such a large majority". That, and the sheer stupidity of those voting for the serial liar and completely incompetent charlatan, Johnson, because 'they wanted change'.
The only honest politician 😂😂😂 This is the guy who was caught staging events for a photo opportunity on multiple occasions 😂😂😂 Remember the train incident? They released the CCTV footage. The Lidl bag? Someone uploaded the full video. Him living in a tiny house? They showed you his country manor. The only honest thing he has said, is how he feels towards Jews.
I liked jeremy and felt like the first honest MP in the running for PM I had ever seen. It was a disgrace how the media started an all out smearing campaign against him at one point were even trying to make out it was a bad thing he had an allotment or had a boring hobby. Because of the media attack labour gave to distance from him because the people are so stupid they believed the smearing by the press and are still going to vote conservative even after the jhonson, truss and sunak mess when was the last time a conservative PM managed a full term again ?
I dont get it, he gets attacked but he was the most loved amoung the lower and working class. the reason the tories won is because of brexit, nothing to do with jeremy
Wrong! On the doorsteps in the (former) Red Wall Labour constituencies, especially in the north and north east, former Labour voters deserted the party, entirely due to Corbyn. Many of the working class families there have, or have had, relatives and friends, or know people who served in the armed forces, and were repeatedly sickened by Corbyn’s pro terrorist, anti British ideology. Brexit did not feature greatly in their decision making. They also were and are aware that socialism has been around for 150+ years, and has a 100% failure rate. The result, Labour’s worst defeat in 80+ years.
I have voted for Labour since 1997 but now I cannot vote for them while Starmer is leader, especially as Starmer has refused to engage with the findings of the Forde's report that points out how racism in now a huge part of the Labour party.
@@danielbentham758 the same polls that got the Tories into power you mean? Personally I vote on policy instead of following others, but it's your vote to use however you wish.
@@danielbentham758 *Starmer’s second referendum ‘ruined’ Labour prospects* A columnist has slammed Sir Keir Starmer’s record on Brexit, highlighting the loss of core Labour territories in 2019 in a brutal ouster of the opposition leader. Columnist Craig Purshouse, writing for Compact magazine, described Sir Keir as a “duller and even more bootlicking Pete Buttigieg,” the US Secretary of Transportation who is often described as dull. Mr Purshouse questioned Sir Keir’s leftist credentials and blamed him for Jeremy Corbyn’s massive 2019 electoral defeat. The columnist wrote: “After Britain voted to leave the European Union, many in Labour wanted to develop a transformative post-Brexit settlement. Not so Starmer.” In his book The Starmer Project, Oliver Eagleton claimed that any attempt at a “left-wing populist Brexit” was “blocked by an internal demolition operation” in which Sir Keir, according to Eagleton, was “the key player”. This internal plan allegedly caused the party to push for a second referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU. Mr Purshouse added: “This approach boosted the party’s standing with educated professionals but was devastating to its prospects in its working-class strongholds, many of which had supported Leave. So Labour entered the 2019 election, offered a second referendum and looked set to overthrow the popular will. “Boris Johnson was able to rebrand the Tories into a party that wanted to push through Brexit. He won votes in the old core areas of Labour and secured a huge majority.”
@@rowancrew2934 depends on the election like over 50% of people I've voted different parties and different elections. Voting Labour next time voted lib dem in 2019 I'm pro EU so didn't vote Conservative
Yes because the country doesn't have enough woke victims in it. Corbyn for power and lets open the borders and tax anyone with a morsal of disposable income into poverty.
You're having an absolute laugh. They've done the maths. Dumping corbyn will win way more votes than it will lose. Outside of the left wing bubble everyone thinks corbyn is a joke. Sure corbyn might win his seat as an indepdent, but across this country this is a decision that will get him closer to a GE victory. Obviously it would be a lot easier had the 2019 election not being the worst result for labour in a lifetime.
No love for Corbyn here, but with this they're basically saying they're not in any way a left wing party anymore, all at the behest of the right wing press and the Tories' jibes. Dancing to their tune instead of fighting fire with fire. As such, no vote from me! That overton window only ever seems to go one way...
@@davidcooks2379 Well, that's the point. Policies such as renationalisation of public goods, strong worker's rights, not having private corporate interests strip money out of the public purse and having a fair tax system is now seen as 'extremist', as the right have controlled the narative through the press. Instead of making the case to the public, "Labour" are abandoning it. WIN!
@@RunOfTheHind *Starmer’s second referendum ‘ruined’ Labour prospects* A columnist has slammed Sir Keir Starmer’s record on Brexit, highlighting the loss of core Labour territories in 2019 in a brutal ouster of the opposition leader. Columnist Craig Purshouse, writing for Compact magazine, described Sir Keir as a “duller and even more bootlicking Pete Buttigieg,” the US Secretary of Transportation who is often described as dull. Mr Purshouse questioned Sir Keir’s leftist credentials and blamed him for Jeremy Corbyn’s massive 2019 electoral defeat. The columnist wrote: “After Britain voted to leave the European Union, many in Labour wanted to develop a transformative post-Brexit settlement. Not so Starmer.” In his book The Starmer Project, Oliver Eagleton claimed that any attempt at a “left-wing populist Brexit” was “blocked by an internal demolition operation” in which Sir Keir, according to Eagleton, was “the key player”. This internal plan allegedly caused the party to push for a second referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU. Mr Purshouse added: “This approach boosted the party’s standing with educated professionals but was devastating to its prospects in its working-class strongholds, many of which had supported Leave. So Labour entered the 2019 election, offered a second referendum and looked set to overthrow the popular will. “Boris Johnson was able to rebrand the Tories into a party that wanted to push through Brexit. He won votes in the old core areas of Labour and secured a huge majority.”
This is exactly the point. Conservative political marketing renegotiates ideological territories so that whatever you call a compromise solution is nothing in the metaphorical middle ground. The compromise is almost always a conservative win.
Banning someone simply because it lowered the voting potential is not an acceptable reason to block him standing. Is that a real reason? Surely there should be more substance?
I'm not happy about it, because I know the risk it carries. But I will not be voting for Starmer. I refuse to participate in the furthering of a two party system. Voting for the 'least terrible' candidate is an American ideal I do not wish to adopt.
Yeah I'm wondering what decades long war Starmer will get is involved with that will lead to the deaths of millions. What up! I have the answer: the first one he can!
I am of Caribbean origin in UK for now 6 decades and counting and have been a Labour supporter and member for many years until Blair's war really sickened me and I withdrew membership though still voted Labour!! A few weeks ago some "leafletters" - two young people- knocked on my door asking if I would rejoin the Party ever, and if not why not!! I told them I was concerned how deep down the rabbit hole of "diversity" the Party had fallen to the detriment of losing support among the working class, and even now economically hard pressed middle class potential voters!! I explained to them that the issue of "trans" rights does have a place as individual belief, however, a minority cannot be allowed to overtake the discussion above all else for fear of being labelled this or that!! No one expects that say Black people's issues should be encouraged to be considered as paramount against all else, and the issue of identity politics in the Party has actually harmed the Party!! Then a very curious thing happened, the I guess co-ordinator of this group joined in and actually accused me at my door of being transphobic!! I reminded her that I am expressing my opinion that no group can be allowed to dominate the view of the Party above all and everyone else, specifically when that view flies in the face of reality!! And then I told her, when a leader of a Party becomes so scared of a minority view, that he goes on national media and is asked to define the term 'woman', he actually waffles some nonsense, which had to the effect of losing support among the public!! She hustles her two young people away afraid to have a discussion with me!!I simply said on their departure, with Starmer as leader of the Labour Party it is doomed to oblivion!!
@Sareedo Ahmed Don't bin it. If you run out out of toilet paper, just print it. You shouldn't waste it... If you sold toilet paper printed with Starmers face you would have a steady, niche market I say; )
@@johnf4279 I'd go even further, the present party as a whole need to be eliminated if that's possible!! I thought of the stalwarts of the Party back in the 60s and 70s , yes with problems, but always with a committment to the needs of the working class, and the implementation of policies that exists to this day as statutory in British politics!! Today, today, we have a party crowing about the demise of a "deputy prime minister" a position that means absolutely nothing in British politics, on the one hand and on the other giving total support to the "trans", lobby that also is irrevalent to the needs of the British politics!! So, toy mind if a Party can't meet the needs of the population , or rather have become so insensitive to the needs of the majority of the populace, then whence are their relevance, and why should anyone listen to their rhetoric?? Labour is a busted flush, time for the people of Britain to put them out of their misery, or the misery they plan to bring to an already beleaguered population, economically, socially, culturally , and if they are dumb enough to vote for these charlatans, nay liars in the Labour Party, politically!!
Corbyn had political integrity. Being critical of a right wing Israeli government is political criticism it is NOT racism or antisemitism . This action is about power nothing else. It’s despicable behaviour and very sad for the Labour Party. We now officially have two options come the general election the Conservatives or the New Labour Party or more accurately the new Conservatives. My subs will stop next week. British politics has simply shifted over to the Right a very sad day
Corbyn didn't stand a chance , he had to battle the traitors in his party , the establishment and the media reason why we will have a uniparty for eternity , if voting made a difference , they would ban it
Well if this doesn't show us what kind of people are nostalgic for Corbyn I don't know what will - hardcore leftists want him back and are prepared to jump ship without him. No great loss.
‘Happier days’ Starmer is a rat. The relationship was all good intentions from Jezza. Keith: ‘nothing personal, a shill has to shill. I betrayed the workers struggle, I am the lowest of the low’. Nice him being honest at last.
Keir Starmer is the Poundland Tony Blair. I emigrated after the Tories won - as I always promised myself - so this doesn't directly affect me but I have family and friends affected by this madness because it leaves those exasperated by the Tories with few options. Starmer is dangerous. This is madness
@@californiadreamin8423 When a party can electe an unelected PM by just a few thousand party members to a population of 59 million.. that's a dictatorship . Under umbrella 🌂 of fake democracy 🙄 lol its a crazy World
@@californiadreamin8423 This. All the loonies supporting Corbyn need to remember he had his chance and gave us an 80 seat tory majority (along with his anti-semitic sleaze that nearly destroyed Labour). Corbyn is finished and the only person to blame is Corbyn.
It is now wanting all decisions to be taken in London, not in local constituencies, deselecting folk who have been Labour for decades, watch the Labour Papers.
JC was the most popular Labour leader ever, but he was removed by the Jewish Cabal in the Labour Party and Lords who despised his position on Palestine as an apartheid state. Shocking and I will never forgive this party, that used to be a true socialist party. No longer though. My vote is with JC.
If ever a party leader arranged to look like a total moron , starmer could well have just done it. It is quite possible Jeremy corbyn could win the seat as an independent. He could then become the lightening rod for dissatisfied leftists and those thrown out of the party. It could quite easily grab the imagination 9f young voters, whom Corbyn was highly popular amongst
Labour still stabbed him in the back. It wasn’t something that was ever going to be controlled opposition. Labour seems to be acting like cruel little fascists now…
Unfortunately Jeremy isn't much of a fighter. I think the wind has been let out of his sails. We need the likes of George Galloway instead. Not one to fear others trying to take him down.
Is Starmer being blackmailed by un-named far right wing corporate power? To have done such an about face, I cannot think of anyone who would do such an about face unless they had some sort of external power base twisting their arms What else could account for such a contortion and compete loss of honour?
I think they're just a bit thick. They think because they've had it fairly easy from our Right Wing press that they're safe from it..I mean look at how AS just apparently disappeared 🤔. The problem is we're going to get close to an election and the mainstream media will back the Cons and throw all this lying and deceitful behaviour back at Labour...and they risk losing yet again. Maybe they've been infiltrated by ppl who are secretly Cons and are working for the status quo?? Its like F1...you can't just copy the fastest car..you'll always be behind and at best second. They should have taken that massive 10 pt increase to 40 and built upon it. They could have won on progressive, compassionate, much needed policies...but no, they want to be a Tory Lite party that stirs up division. They've deserted the next generation, more interested in trying to brown nose the elderly.
Hold on, Starmer isn’t a good choice for leader and presuming he has some honour to lose when he can’t define a woman is a bit of a leap 😂😂😂 Blair wasn’t a good choice for leader. Just like many others from both sides, Starmer is just another number on a long list.
Have a real Labour Party instead versus the Keir Starmer intepretation - seems inevitable given electoral reform is less hostile in general with many in the getting elected business. The reform party might well become the real Conservative Party versus the Cameron interpretation that exists to this day - in summary you begin to actually cater to the nuance in the population - the only massive obstacle is precisely what Corbyn and his colleagues are despised for - namely they are rather popular to people when given the opportunity to present their policy agenda - similarly with Farage - the truth is that that 'obstacle' is the real reason why for so long we have had no meaningful choice in politics and zero opportunity to see the candidate realistically elected. I think regardless of the specifics of this story - two primary things - Starmer is not leadership material - time will tell and secondly, anybody deemed disliked or mildly independently minded is effectively censored - banned and even language and this sense of the antithesis of anything close to freedom of thought and so on is not permitted. I suspect that an alliance of sorts of real Labour folk and possibly other smaller parties and groups could formulate a serious entity that under different electoral conditions could do very well indeed in any election. The same can be said of Farage and the reform party.
Seems labour supporters need to take to the streets to protest this version of labour, which is a Labour-Tory party. How could anyone in their right mind support backstabbing Keir Starmer!
Well yes he is an iconic figure but his efforts to get elected failed. Time to try different tactics. Obama was not great in America but he sure looks better than Trump. What do you want ideological purity and the people enslaved by the ERG?
Corbyn has tonight won considerable support by members of the Islington North Constituency Labour Party. A motion insisting it is up to local members to choose their MP was passed by 98%.
His constituents have voted for him to be their MP for more than 3 decades, why not let the local party decide and keep their noses out if it. I believe corbyn will stand as an independent and all starmer has achieved is losing a seat before a single vote has been cast.
What is advanced - and I think evidently, precisely what has not being occuring is to have people enter influential positions, such as parliament, that have gone through the rigour of constituency caseloads - canvassed face to face and been challenged by real people and served a sort of sustained period with media scrutiny in interviews whilst possessing another personal experience than that of a philosophy degree. The establishment have to compute if it is realistic - advanced and certainly sustainable to invoke 'standards' on prospective leaders via some bizarre criterion that as far as I can deduce means you must be either a nun or some sort of buddhist monk figure. Now, fundamentally, the greatest critique of this era - and beyond that of the country generally, is that we have the talent. If that were not the position - then the bleak period of the state of affairs today would amount to something extremely profound - insofar as an imminent degradation of some kind. The facts are that the ideas are there - people are in fact capable, certainly not worse than the script readers in the commons. This again is down to the ruling elite insofar as 'filtering' out people randomly they deem to risky because they would actually do something as opposed to the rather abstract fraternity pulling the strings who deem incremental 'change' preferable - which translated means powerful folk wish to keep on until the music stops and a sort of scramble ensues whereupon you discover precisely who is your ruler and who is not - the facts are peasants or serfs are extremely capable given the opportunity and I think that effectively, many younger people are superior to rich bankers or lawyers perpetually leading the country who as far as I can deduce - believe in nothing. I think serving as a councillor is one way to gain experience - but frankly, I think the country very bizarrely has an awful lot of grown men and women highly bright - varied experiences and yet one common denominator - they all coincedently and simultaneously seem to be out of the picture - I think, we could do with a quite bit less of bright people pontificating over mismanagement of the country and have them running the country. It is very sad Roger Scruton is no longer around and Tony Benn and you could on to list incredible talent - but we have a collective resource that should be under perfectly sensible new electoral stipulations entering the sphere and articulating equally sensible policies. Also, I think it is owed frankly to the entire period of the leadership of Corbyn to ask the following question to all his detractors - why was it that so many young people physically energised and stimulated by his advocacies all congregated to his policy agenda or persona? I don't think the magnitude of a demographic for so long consumed with consumerism - or crime or video games or sport or anything but politics has been understood by those who removed him - I invite them to do so and from that, you line of thought will take you into fully appreciating the value in listening to people - because that is central to the accurate answer. He is successful because of sincerity - listening to people and fundamentally not discrediting or diminishing constituency matters - the entire movement of the campaign to have him elected is based upon what script readers in parliament readily dismiss as issues that are constituency. Accessing essential public services - ill treatment by state institutions - victim of crime - impoverishment generally - working conditions - human rights - protection for journalists or civil servants from speaking out - insufficient welfare payments to carers - the infirmed and impaired - access to essential provision to better yourself - the list is continous and yet disregarded as constituency matters but spending 3 days discussing whether or not to smash up another sovereign state is value for tax payers. The establishment is where you will find an intolerance and certainly hypocrisy of an extraordinary kind - not with vast numbers of previously unheard citizens - unknown to each other now standing together to hear their concerns and experiences actually being prioritised - that is a very significant allure that has not and will not be replicated until such time as it is even recognised - Sanders in the states got that - Hilary Clinton evidently did not - Corbyn understood that - and so did the establishment and so they chucked him out. Thanks.
What a load of tosh …. It’s because of people like you…. Why the Tories had such a big majority…..and have been able to get away with filling their pockets and the poor get poorer…..get over yourself corbyn. Mac Donald, abbot….are all dinosaurs and should get out of the labour….. from a lifelong Labour Party supporter .
Jeremy Corbyn was elected 3 times into Harringay Council, won 10 general elections and the Labour party leadership election twice. I would say that proves his electability. Starmer, on the other hand has been elected as an MP only twice and once as Labour leader. Corbyn 15, Starmer 3. So who is more electable?
He should go independent full stop. If Corbyn really puts his principles before his party loyalty - which he absolutely should - then he should finally show it here.
Corbyn could definitely win his seat as an independent standing against a Labour candidate, but Corbyn doesn't like confrontation and I don't think it's in his character to be fighting against a Labour candidate, he is a pacifist.
Labour are currently a watered down version of the conservatives. They are taking people for granted, just because this government has done a poor job, Labour expect your automatic vote.
I disagree, the tories are much more like Labour under blair, probably because both are infested with globalists that take their orders from klaus schwab.
I think Starmer is every bit as dishonest, corrupt and a bully lacking in morals as any Tory MP including Johnson, Raab, Patel, Bravermen, Williamson, and all the rest of these lying cheating bullies.
If you vote for either youre a fool. People seem to forget our last Labour government committed war crimes in the middle east(1million dead in Iraq and no wmds). Then they virtue signal about woke bullshit. And the tories do nothing unless it can make money for themselves.
Uni party
I despise the current Labour leadership. But I refuse to reward the Tories for the utter omnishambles they have made. I will vote Labour if only to give the current government a well-deserved kick up the backside.
Nothing shows more confidence in your own ability to get elected than banning others from running
Running as a Labour MP is a privilege not a right and Corbyn with his dragging his feet on antisemitism being soft on terrorism etc forfeited his right. He’s an electoral liability.
@@davedraycott5779 JC got huge support. That is an Electoral Liability? What planet you on?
@@johnf4279 we lost by 80 plus seats in 2019. We lost seats in what is the Red Wall that we’d held for decades. The planet I inhabit is planet Earth aka planet reality which planet or alternate reality do you hail from, no let me guess, planet ultra left dilettante maybe?
so much for the 'broad church' party!!!!
@@davedraycott5779 So are we running with the fantasy that the claims of antisemitism were true? Just want to know what delusional standpoint we're going to take, when arguing over a rigged political system of plutocracy, so I can debate effectively
Well that would be the end of the labour party and confirm this lot are losing the plot....
It is already finished, Starmer is not a Socialist, he is in effect creating his own right wing party in a desperate attempt to ensure The Establishment maintains full control of the nation.
The only MP with dignity and not on pay role of big corporations
Only MP with a sub minus-40 popularity rating worse than Liz Truss's. You like him. Great. Pity the rest of the country didn't, leaving us with 13 years of Tory rule....
@@angusgus123 Did Corbyn run for PM 13 years ago?
@@django3422 so dim...
@@angusgus123 That so? You gonna explain how Corbyn losing in 2019 resulted in 13 years of Tory rule, then?
@@django3422 I wish I could believe you're joking. He lost in 2017 too, two defeats which mean the Tories have now had 13 years to trash Britain, one with a historic +80 seat majority....
WE are VOTING 🗳️ FOR Jeremy Corbyn ❤🎉 No matter what party his at❤
Team CORBYN.
@Purple Monkey Dishwasher And another 5 years of the Tories ??
@kingsoloman63: And you will have wasted your vote.
I am no fan of him .But at least he has principals and is more truthful than most politicians in the Labor or tories camp .Agree or disagree with his views all you like ,but he is a decent bloke ,unfairly treated by the media .
Yes! JC is the epitome of a 'decent bloke' .
I hope & expect JC to contest the seat anyway. He'll win with his local, loyal support I say.
All the media coverage of Corbyn for the 4.5 years he was labour leader was despicable. Most of it was also disturbingly hounding.
@@dvidclapperton Because he was useless.
@@dvidclapperton Because he was useless and a liability to the Labour Party.
Why doesnt Keir Starmer run for leader of the Tory party? They're letting everyone else have a go and his ideas are actually what tories want.
Don’t talk soft.
Why didn't JC run for leader of the green party? We would have Prime Minister Andy Burnham right now.
He's just another Tony Blair.
@@stanpennycook5414
If he's another Blair then here's to winning three elections in a row then! 👍🏼
@@GeldardtheGrey I know right! The left in is just so illogical.
jeremy corbyn is the most loved policitian in his constituency than any else, everyone has or knows someone in that manor where corbyn has intervened and had their backs, imagine that a policitian who listens to his voters, he is a legend in islington
He would win as an independent or a Green.
He will be an independent so will be even more useless !
@@ogribiker8535 will he? Ever thought there are large numbers of dissatisfied left leaning voters out there, especially young ones, who thought well of corbyn. Liverpool is a Labour heartland but I can tell you starmer is not popular there but Corbyn was and still is. There are large numbers of activists who will stump for left independents to run against official Labour. They may not win seats but they will split the vote and if this occurs around the country what chance a Labour government? Starmer may be popular in the South but his name recognition in the North isn't that great
@@ogribiker8535 Explain what you mean?
So he can stand as an Indie and win !!!!
I have being a Labour voter for 22years but if they ban him I will never vote for Labour again
That'll show them.
Foreign name, Labour supporter, sounds about right.
so you want Corbyn to stand? was you not here last time he was the leader?
I’m too well stop not vote to labour
@@jamesoakley4570 His constituents voted for him so they clearly like him - therefore they should be allowed to vote for him again!
To fear someone with integrity and compassion shows how far Labour has fallen. 'Real change'? Red or blue neoliberalism...
Yeah: grim, ain't it?! 😏💯
Just why did Corbyn impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament ? No leader worth his salt puts his own anti EU ideology first knowing the harm it would do to working people. I call that betrayal and the quicker Corbyn is gone the better. If you don’t like it tough.
@@californiadreamin8423 Sorry I only communicate with higher forms of life, as soon as your reach sapience let me know...
@@steveparker8065 Yep, that dreaming fellow is an utter liar. Pulled him up recently, he didn't like it at all.
@James Arnold You mean Brexit and media lies negated his chances? You mean centrists fomenting trouble and backstabbing their legitimate leader cost Labour the election? Thanks to Corbyn the party enjoyed the biggest swing to Labour since 1945 and he increased membership from around 200k to around 580k which made Labour the biggest party in Europe. Corbyn also turned party finances around to create a surplus within 2 years. Starmer has done the exact opposite...
He should run as an Independent.
He probably will win that way. This alienates his supporters from Labour, so they are likely to support him.
Better if Starmer ran as an Independent, that would be the end of his life in politics, unless the Tories allowed him to win his seat.
He should sue the labour party for discrimination
@@Berry-fr5wj It is certainly something to consider.
@@andylucas1175 Whatever you’re on, I’d lay off it. Corbyn was never a team player in the Labour Party , in fact the opposite, but every dog has his day, and he well and truly blew it….for the vast majority of working people who live under the heal of Tory corruption because of his poor leadership. I hope you’re not one of those dead beats who idolise him , because you are going to be very very disappointed.
If Jeremy Corbyn is voted out of Labour, I will never ever vote for Labour
I'm a Corbyn supporter but he brought much of this on his self by not sacking the Blairites
@@Berry-fr5wj sorry mate Jeremy tried to reconcile. He didn't have a choice. Kier is a snake.
That’s a massive mistake not to let Corbyn run. How on earth does this come to a vote!
Modern day British democracy " We will tell you who you can and can't vote for.
Corbyn is a disaster for Labour , that’s why. Not exactly a team player before he became leader, priding himself on defying the whip, yet using a 3 line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament.
I thought he said at the 2019 election that he wasn't going to run again so what's all this about ?
i agree though but even if he stood as an Indie he'd get into his seat because he's soooo popular !!!!
@@IanP1963 He said he would not be Labour leader again. This is about him standing as an MP.
Jeremy has been my MP since he was first elected. I will vote for him if stands as a Labour MP or an independent. I am sure I am just one of many many more who do so in Islington. KS is making a huge mistake which will only help the Tories stay in power
@@markpallister9882 surprised you can even spell Hamas 😂
@@wigglenips8825 he is right, why does that surprise you?
Bernie is doing great in America, he does not need to be part of the Democrat machine to influence their politics.
So vote for BIN CORBYN 😂
Our home grown traitor, who loves terrorists and is also known to be an anti semitic..
Little Weasel is hated by the vast majority of the decent British public...
@@erospistaa I know this may shock you, but maybe he finds an English MP advocating for terrorist groups that hate England in rather poor taste.
I'm no fan of labour or Jeremy Corbyn but this stinks to high heaven . You can't just ban somebody from standing as a candidate because you don't like their opinions.
you can if its damaging.
They can't stop him. You are correct but they can as a labour member we do not require mp's to be part of a party in this country
As much as I hate Jeremy Corbyn and his goofy communism Stamer believes in nothing, he seems like your average blarite gimp like Ed Milliband
@@rinkydinkfretboard8737 what's so problematic about jeeza?
@@jooseppielleese7156 he's a hard-left, terrorist sympathising, anti-semitic socialist.
What's happened to Corbyn is a lesson to anyone with ambitions of remaking society for the better by attacking power structures.
Power always fights back. There's nothing more vindictive than power.
Don’t talk soft.
Did he even speak about attacking them? Probably more like restructuring them. Some of policy ideas are widespread around other leading countries.
It doesn't matter anyway as the West is imploding together 😂. The real power is moving East and we will get left behind as all our politicians are clueless. Including Jeremy to be fair. Though he came the closest to speaking truth to power and advocating for the majority.
100% true. The establishment did everything they could to bring him down.
This is labour on labour.
#StarmerOut
You know by posting that, you're effectively a tory, right?
@@oldblueshirtguy Starmer like Blair is a closet, Tory...
Hahahahah starmer curb stomping da gommies, based zionist man!
@@oldblueshirtguy there’s a term for what you’re doing there. In psychology it’s called “coercive control” and it’s actually a form of mental abuse.
@@VentureHolly 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
There's something disturbing about placing "blanket bans" on those within your party that you don't like...
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Totally agree and I don't like Labour or Jeremy Corbyn. Its 1984 and big brother.
Stalinist. The charge against him in the NEC meeting today is reported to be that Labour's chances of winning the next GE will be 'significantly diminished' if he is allowed to be a candidate. If many in the PLP had not undermined him in collusion with the media he would have been Prime Minister in 2017. Outrageous but not surprising. The bogus accusation that the left prefers to be a protest movement than in power ( nonsensical anyway) was actually true of the right while he was leader, such was their determination to prevent him winning an election. The price is high though- Labour has no future in being the same as the Tories.
@@zenoist2101
Yes I've always been conservative leaning myself which is why I'll be voting Reform this time round but this kind of Stalinist approach to gag Corbyn is sinister...
I can't stand the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and his band of Trotsky's but he's got every right to be heard......like anyone else...
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nah this ban is needed. Corbyn shouldn't be allowed to stand.
@@jamesoakley4570 Explain.
Jeremy should start his own party and call it 'REAL LABOUR'
Good thought! Mentioning 'Real Labour' though? Not sure. Puts me off anyway.
'Labour' is tired & out of date in my head. We need something new here? Something inspiring.
Not seen anything yet.
@@johnf4279 Future Party?
@@internetual7350 First thing: I would avoid 'Labour' in the title. The LP/MSM right have demeaned the word.
My suspicion is that major change will ensue after the disaster in Ukraine unfolds. European wars have always done this... Then all will be in meltdown, & all is possible.
The New Communist's?
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k I bet you don't even know what a communist is... or what they stand for
Corbyn has policies, ethics, and an extensive history of supporting workers rights.
Starmer has a knighthood like a complete dork.
Hahahahaha
Corbyn had his shot.
@Wintermute9366 no he didn't. His own party had a coup to sabotage him. Just watch the Labour Files, it's all there.
@@soviet9366 What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? As in, in what universe is this off brand ken doll with a stupid title in any way justified in trying to exile an actual supporter of labour's core values? You don't have to want Corbyn back in charge to accept that Starmy is being a peenarse.
He is toxic now, due to support for antisemitism and for Russia. Also he was the person who allowed hard Brexit. So whatever else good he has done, he almost destroyed the party, so it's normal that now he should be booted for electoral success
Jeremy will always get my vote.
Mine too
Mugg.
If he switched sides to Conservative and went back to his original Pro Brexit stance would you still vote for him?
I think he was correct in his reservation towards Letting Brussels run the whole show over here.
Then Old Labour made him change his independent mind as Leader of The Labour Party.
This was a sign of weakness in Labour.
And Jeremy had a target on him from his own party, even more weakness.
We can’t allow the left and the right to find common ground, so much easy money involved when things are divided😮
Vote for Bin Corbyn 😂
Little treacherous weasel who has sympathy for terrorists like Hamas and IRA ...
And mine!
I suppose the pendulum swings always - a leader who cared and was passionate about helping people was bound to be followed by a grey, malfunctioning, walking chatbot, a non-entity even amongst other non-entities 😭🤮💩 #endthetoriesforever
Why did Corbyn impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament ?
Corbyn needs to get on board with The Green Party. It would be nice to have a second green MP to sit alongside Caroline Lucas in the House.
Great shout
Good idea, yes!
@Matt C,
*EXACTLY what I’ve been saying!*
The Greens *need* someone high profile who *knows/is connected to* what’s really happening in the *real,* working ‘class’, P.O.C., disabled, street drug using, addict, survival sexworker, trafficked person, wrongly convicted, ex-con, abuse victim/survivor, and impoverished *life* anyhow.
Mayor of London!
This is something I could MOST DEFINITELY get on board with. I’ve been Labour all my voting life (33 years) and am not comfortable having to vote for what they’ve shown themselves to be in recent years #IstandwithJeremyCorbyn
Who would have known he was a snake in the grass? When that glossy leaflet , no, broadsheet came through my door( remember how much he was funded in comparison to RLB) it went straight in the green bin. I'm amazed how surprised everyone is. Now, which tory to vote for?
Piffle.
Keir starmer is why Boris lasted so long
Corbyn is part of the reason Boris had such a large majority.
@@SuperJal1979 Bingo.
@@SuperJal1979Wrong! The complete trashing and smearing of Corbyn, and by association, the millions voting for him, by a right wing establishment, including from within his own party, "is part of the reason B**** had such a large majority". That, and the sheer stupidity of those voting for the serial liar and completely incompetent charlatan, Johnson, because 'they wanted change'.
Corbyn is the one who lost 😂
All part of the big power program.
Stammer the hypocrite. He's too changeable to be trustworthy.
The only honest politician Mr Corbyn, stammer and the gutter press played the antisemitic card to get rid of Jeremy.
Bingo
The only honest politician 😂😂😂
This is the guy who was caught staging events for a photo opportunity on multiple occasions 😂😂😂
Remember the train incident? They released the CCTV footage.
The Lidl bag? Someone uploaded the full video.
Him living in a tiny house? They showed you his country manor.
The only honest thing he has said, is how he feels towards Jews.
@@badda_boom8017 Not much more than Boris and the rest of the conservative ministers than... except they are ten times more corrupt 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I liked jeremy and felt like the first honest MP in the running for PM I had ever seen. It was a disgrace how the media started an all out smearing campaign against him at one point were even trying to make out it was a bad thing he had an allotment or had a boring hobby. Because of the media attack labour gave to distance from him because the people are so stupid they believed the smearing by the press and are still going to vote conservative even after the jhonson, truss and sunak mess when was the last time a conservative PM managed a full term again ?
James O Brien maligned him and has spent years moaning about a tory government , the pillock
@@Berry-fr5wj How dare you call Corbyn a pillock. Oh well if the cap fits and you think he’s …a pillock….who am I to dispute that.
@@californiadreamin8423 I like the man , swap , pillock for spineless , jellyfish
@@californiadreamin8423 As for pillock , it was aimed at. OBrain not Jezzer
It was despicable.
IF LABOUR BANS JEREMY ITS DONE
Actually, it's the other way round. Did you not see the result of the 2019 election?
@@cun7us Amen
@Janet Lamb Corbyn did well in 2019 considering the propaganda and the likes of Lineker and O'Brien slagging him off
@@Berry-fr5wj "Corbyn did well in 2019" - what are you smoking?
@@cun7us considering the propaganda in the msm was my point
I dont get it, he gets attacked but he was the most loved amoung the lower and working class. the reason the tories won is because of brexit, nothing to do with jeremy
Wrong! On the doorsteps in the (former) Red Wall Labour constituencies, especially in the north and north east, former Labour voters deserted the party, entirely due to Corbyn. Many of the working class families there have, or have had, relatives and friends, or know people who served in the armed forces, and were repeatedly sickened by Corbyn’s pro terrorist, anti British ideology. Brexit did not feature greatly in their decision making. They also were and are aware that socialism has been around for 150+ years, and has a 100% failure rate. The result, Labour’s worst defeat in 80+ years.
@@neils4886 That is YOUR opinion.
@@Pomegranate_David I live in one of those communities. They hate Corbyn.
@@Hartley_Hare I very much doubt they hate him. Most of them are probably indifferent to him.
@@Pomegranate_David Oh, trust me. The most commonly heard opinion is 'oh, that tw*t'
I have voted for Labour since 1997 but now I cannot vote for them while Starmer is leader, especially as Starmer has refused to engage with the findings of the Forde's report that points out how racism in now a huge part of the Labour party.
Be very careful what you write Comrade.The Corbyn Mafia will be raging that you voted 3 times for the War Criminal 😊
I'm voting Labour and didn't previously. Look at the polls
@@danielbentham758 "Look at the polls" Jesus, do you people have spines?
@@danielbentham758 the same polls that got the Tories into power you mean?
Personally I vote on policy instead of following others, but it's your vote to use however you wish.
@@danielbentham758 as someone once said, poles are for dogs.
As a scot I’ve lost all respect for labour
Look at the polls now compared to 2019. I'm voting Labour and didn't under corbyn
@@danielbentham758 Go forth and prosper, proud Murdoch acolyte.
@@danielbentham758 *Starmer’s second referendum ‘ruined’ Labour prospects*
A columnist has slammed Sir Keir Starmer’s record on Brexit, highlighting the loss of core Labour territories in 2019 in a brutal ouster of the opposition leader.
Columnist Craig Purshouse, writing for Compact magazine, described Sir Keir as a “duller and even more bootlicking Pete Buttigieg,” the US Secretary of Transportation who is often described as dull.
Mr Purshouse questioned Sir Keir’s leftist credentials and blamed him for Jeremy Corbyn’s massive 2019 electoral defeat.
The columnist wrote: “After Britain voted to leave the European Union, many in Labour wanted to develop a transformative post-Brexit settlement. Not so Starmer.”
In his book The Starmer Project, Oliver Eagleton claimed that any attempt at a “left-wing populist Brexit” was “blocked by an internal demolition operation” in which Sir Keir, according to Eagleton, was “the key player”.
This internal plan allegedly caused the party to push for a second referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU.
Mr Purshouse added: “This approach boosted the party’s standing with educated professionals but was devastating to its prospects in its working-class strongholds, many of which had supported Leave. So Labour entered the 2019 election, offered a second referendum and looked set to overthrow the popular will.
“Boris Johnson was able to rebrand the Tories into a party that wanted to push through Brexit. He won votes in the old core areas of Labour and secured a huge majority.”
Best you vote Tory then,if you know what’s good for Scotland 🤪
@@rowancrew2934 depends on the election like over 50% of people I've voted different parties and different elections.
Voting Labour next time voted lib dem in 2019 I'm pro EU so didn't vote Conservative
Keir is just a Tory in red.
I would vote Labour if Corbyn is leader again.
Yes because the country doesn't have enough woke victims in it. Corbyn for power and lets open the borders and tax anyone with a morsal of disposable income into poverty.
Send this Starmer guy to Rwanda
Kier is jealous of Jeremy. Jezza is honest and a man of deep integrity! Will not be voting Labour as long as two faced Kier is the leader.
Keirs scared he knows Corbyn is a threat
@FunnyFlix could be
You're having an absolute laugh. They've done the maths. Dumping corbyn will win way more votes than it will lose. Outside of the left wing bubble everyone thinks corbyn is a joke.
Sure corbyn might win his seat as an indepdent, but across this country this is a decision that will get him closer to a GE victory.
Obviously it would be a lot easier had the 2019 election not being the worst result for labour in a lifetime.
Haha you are right 😂 Bin Corbyn is a threat to the UK 🇬🇧
Yeah, a threat to them winning the next election.
@FunnyFlix Establishment
No love for Corbyn here, but with this they're basically saying they're not in any way a left wing party anymore, all at the behest of the right wing press and the Tories' jibes. Dancing to their tune instead of fighting fire with fire. As such, no vote from me! That overton window only ever seems to go one way...
Labour should be a centrist party, catering to a non-extremist majority. That's the only way for them to win
@@davidcooks2379 Well, that's the point. Policies such as renationalisation of public goods, strong worker's rights, not having private corporate interests strip money out of the public purse and having a fair tax system is now seen as 'extremist', as the right have controlled the narative through the press. Instead of making the case to the public, "Labour" are abandoning it. WIN!
@@davidcooks2379 Centrist is right wing it has not served the Country well.
@@RunOfTheHind *Starmer’s second referendum ‘ruined’ Labour prospects*
A columnist has slammed Sir Keir Starmer’s record on Brexit, highlighting the loss of core Labour territories in 2019 in a brutal ouster of the opposition leader.
Columnist Craig Purshouse, writing for Compact magazine, described Sir Keir as a “duller and even more bootlicking Pete Buttigieg,” the US Secretary of Transportation who is often described as dull.
Mr Purshouse questioned Sir Keir’s leftist credentials and blamed him for Jeremy Corbyn’s massive 2019 electoral defeat.
The columnist wrote: “After Britain voted to leave the European Union, many in Labour wanted to develop a transformative post-Brexit settlement. Not so Starmer.”
In his book The Starmer Project, Oliver Eagleton claimed that any attempt at a “left-wing populist Brexit” was “blocked by an internal demolition operation” in which Sir Keir, according to Eagleton, was “the key player”.
This internal plan allegedly caused the party to push for a second referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU.
Mr Purshouse added: “This approach boosted the party’s standing with educated professionals but was devastating to its prospects in its working-class strongholds, many of which had supported Leave. So Labour entered the 2019 election, offered a second referendum and looked set to overthrow the popular will.
“Boris Johnson was able to rebrand the Tories into a party that wanted to push through Brexit. He won votes in the old core areas of Labour and secured a huge majority.”
This is exactly the point. Conservative political marketing renegotiates ideological territories so that whatever you call a compromise solution is nothing in the metaphorical middle ground. The compromise is almost always a conservative win.
Want Jeremy Corbyn.. As a pm
No No No !
@@tonylloyd8850 cretin
@@tonylloyd8850 yes we need mr.CORBYN FOR good for us & country..
@@yourgirlme9163You need Corbyn if you want five more years of extreme Thatcherite Toryism.
Because Jeremy Corbin keeps it real.
Others like to play in the circus 🎪 🤡
Satire is dead.
He was real but even he didn't go far enough.
Banning someone simply because it lowered the voting potential is not an acceptable reason to block him standing. Is that a real reason? Surely there should be more substance?
I'm not happy about it, because I know the risk it carries. But I will not be voting for Starmer.
I refuse to participate in the furthering of a two party system. Voting for the 'least terrible' candidate is an American ideal I do not wish to adopt.
So.. you will bote for the Tories??
@@ruudvansule Yes
I completely agree with you
@@mariogmajner6549 What’s the weather like in St Petersburg ?
Shameful.
I’m beginning to worry that 6-months of a Starmer administration will make Tony Blair seem like not such a bad bloke.
Yeah I'm wondering what decades long war Starmer will get is involved with that will lead to the deaths of millions.
What up! I have the answer: the first one he can!
He's already looking ok. Stalin would be proud
He is ironically channeling a certain German leader.
Bin Starmer, Keep Corbyn.
Ban starmer as well
Why u want to support israel
Lol facts
We want Jeremy Corbyn 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I received email from the labour party per mail with Keirs face.. Binned it straight away.
Sareedob Ahmed Same here.
I have nothing but contempt for the man.
I am of Caribbean origin in UK for now 6 decades and counting and have been a Labour supporter and member for many years until Blair's war really sickened me and I withdrew membership though still voted Labour!!
A few weeks ago some "leafletters" - two young people- knocked on my door asking if I would rejoin the Party ever, and if not why not!!
I told them I was concerned how deep down the rabbit hole of "diversity" the Party had fallen to the detriment of losing support among the working class, and even now economically hard pressed middle class potential voters!!
I explained to them that the issue of "trans" rights does have a place as individual belief, however, a minority cannot be allowed to overtake the discussion above all else for fear of being labelled this or that!!
No one expects that say Black people's issues should be encouraged to be considered as paramount against all else, and the issue of identity politics in the Party has actually harmed the Party!!
Then a very curious thing happened, the I guess co-ordinator of this group joined in and actually accused me at my door of being transphobic!!
I reminded her that I am expressing my opinion that no group can be allowed to dominate the view of the Party above all and everyone else, specifically when that view flies in the face of reality!! And then I told her, when a leader of a Party becomes so scared of a minority view, that he goes on national media and is asked to define the term 'woman', he actually waffles some nonsense, which had to the effect of losing support among the public!! She hustles her two young people away afraid to have a discussion with me!!I simply said on their departure, with Starmer as leader of the Labour Party it is doomed to oblivion!!
@Sareedo Ahmed Don't bin it. If you run out out of toilet paper, just print it. You shouldn't waste it...
If you sold toilet paper printed with Starmers face you would have a steady, niche market I say; )
@@davidrichaidson3269 I believe Starmer, & the current Labour Party, is a loser too.
But all we can do is not vote for them??? Ain't Democracy great?
@@johnf4279 I'd go even further, the present party as a whole need to be eliminated if that's possible!! I thought of the stalwarts of the Party back in the 60s and 70s , yes with problems, but always with a committment to the needs of the working class, and the implementation of policies that exists to this day as statutory in British politics!! Today, today, we have a party crowing about the demise of a "deputy prime minister" a position that means absolutely nothing in British politics, on the one hand and on the other giving total support to the "trans", lobby that also is irrevalent to the needs of the British politics!! So, toy mind if a Party can't meet the needs of the population , or rather have become so insensitive to the needs of the majority of the populace, then whence are their relevance, and why should anyone listen to their rhetoric?? Labour is a busted flush, time for the people of Britain to put them out of their misery, or the misery they plan to bring to an already beleaguered population, economically, socially, culturally , and if they are dumb enough to vote for these charlatans, nay liars in the Labour Party, politically!!
well this is just vicious and vengeful
Well criticising a certain countries right to exist gets you in alot of trouble with powerful people.
@@jooseppielleese7156 Israel?
Corbyn had political integrity. Being critical of a right wing Israeli government is political criticism it is NOT racism or antisemitism . This action is about power nothing else. It’s despicable behaviour and very sad for the Labour Party. We now officially have two options come the general election the Conservatives or the New Labour Party or more accurately the new Conservatives.
My subs will stop next week.
British politics has simply shifted over to the Right a very sad day
Labour is not aserious party without Corbyn
Corbyn didn't stand a chance , he had to battle the traitors in his party , the establishment and the media
reason why we will have a uniparty for eternity , if voting made a difference , they would ban it
I don't trust starmer
I trust him more than your opinion and a million times more than an anti-semite like Corbyn.
They see him as a threat, that says something
Yeah, a threat to winning a general election
Welcome to the parliamentarian circus of the bourgeoisie!
Nonsense. Your language is the giveaway.
**"Welcome to the House of Fun" by Madness starts playing**
Well if this doesn't show us what kind of people are nostalgic for Corbyn I don't know what will - hardcore leftists want him back and are prepared to jump ship without him.
No great loss.
Do a 5th of November then revolutionary
Behold the Marxist Labour voter laid bare. This is why nobody likes you nerds. Thanks for ruining the left with your gay bs
He should not be banned....goes to show how much labour have fallen
Corbin was the best leader Labour ever had he's was a leader for the people.
‘Happier days’ Starmer is a rat. The relationship was all good intentions from Jezza. Keith: ‘nothing personal, a shill has to shill. I betrayed the workers struggle, I am the lowest of the low’. Nice him being honest at last.
Corbyn is the shill, the Benedict Arnold who betrayed the Labour Party . There you go, ask me why I believe that , and I’ll f’ing well tell you.
Keir Starmer is the Poundland Tony Blair.
I emigrated after the Tories won - as I always promised myself - so this doesn't directly affect me but I have family and friends affected by this madness because it leaves those exasperated by the Tories with few options.
Starmer is dangerous. This is madness
The man who brought the Labour Party into disrepute is Woodentop Starmer.
JC inspired people, Starmer cannot.
Biggest traitor in politics, Kier Starmer
Voting to stop democracy really bizarre
I just love an 80 seat Tory democracy !!
@@californiadreamin8423
When a party can electe an unelected PM by just a few thousand party members to a population of 59 million.. that's a dictatorship . Under umbrella 🌂 of fake democracy 🙄 lol its a crazy World
@@californiadreamin8423 This. All the loonies supporting Corbyn need to remember he had his chance and gave us an 80 seat tory majority (along with his anti-semitic sleaze that nearly destroyed Labour). Corbyn is finished and the only person to blame is Corbyn.
Just have the watch The Labour Files and all will make sense.
Also watch the Lobby by Al Jazeera too. The lobby was sensational in its exposure of Jeremy's enemies that worked against him to please Israel.
It is now wanting all decisions to be taken in London, not in local constituencies, deselecting folk who have been Labour for decades, watch the Labour Papers.
JC was the most popular Labour leader ever, but he was removed by the Jewish Cabal in the Labour Party and Lords who despised his position on Palestine as an apartheid state. Shocking and I will never forgive this party, that used to be a true socialist party. No longer though. My vote is with JC.
The Tories are the new UKIP and Labour are the new Tories. We need a new Labour.
More like, the Tories are Blue Labour.
Labour's now a party for ethnic minorities they've long since binned the working class people of the UK
I supported Labour in 2016 and 2019 but now not any more. Starmer is turning the party into a dictatorship.
If ever a party leader arranged to look like a total moron , starmer could well have just done it. It is quite possible Jeremy corbyn could win the seat as an independent. He could then become the lightening rod for dissatisfied leftists and those thrown out of the party. It could quite easily grab the imagination 9f young voters, whom Corbyn was highly popular amongst
Labour still stabbed him in the back.
It wasn’t something that was ever going to be controlled opposition.
Labour seems to be acting like cruel little fascists now…
Unfortunately Jeremy isn't much of a fighter. I think the wind has been let out of his sails. We need the likes of George Galloway instead. Not one to fear others trying to take him down.
Sir Keir Starmer will be the next CONSERVATIVE prime minister 😀
Labour files aljazeera
Keir Blair
Sir to you 😀
Starmer is a backstabber ..he's doing it to friends and anybody who is in he's way
Imagine being that creeps friend. I can't wait to see who betrays him eventually to get his job.
Bring him back
Ready to lose a third general election with him then are you?
What a hypocrite Starmer is I never agreed with Corbyn but I believe he is an honest person he should be allowed to stand for labour.
Is Starmer being blackmailed by un-named far right wing corporate power? To have done such an about face, I cannot think of anyone who would do such an about face unless they had some sort of external power base twisting their arms What else could account for such a contortion and compete loss of honour?
Rupert Murdoch
I think they're just a bit thick. They think because they've had it fairly easy from our Right Wing press that they're safe from it..I mean look at how AS just apparently disappeared 🤔. The problem is we're going to get close to an election and the mainstream media will back the Cons and throw all this lying and deceitful behaviour back at Labour...and they risk losing yet again. Maybe they've been infiltrated by ppl who are secretly Cons and are working for the status quo?? Its like F1...you can't just copy the fastest car..you'll always be behind and at best second. They should have taken that massive 10 pt increase to 40 and built upon it. They could have won on progressive, compassionate, much needed policies...but no, they want to be a Tory Lite party that stirs up division. They've deserted the next generation, more interested in trying to brown nose the elderly.
No integrity and a desire for power, regardless?
The Fascists of the future will call themselves Anti Fascists - Winston Churchill 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Hold on, Starmer isn’t a good choice for leader and presuming he has some honour to lose when he can’t define a woman is a bit of a leap 😂😂😂
Blair wasn’t a good choice for leader.
Just like many others from both sides, Starmer is just another number on a long list.
Have a real Labour Party instead versus the Keir Starmer intepretation - seems inevitable given electoral reform is less hostile in general with many in the getting elected business.
The reform party might well become the real Conservative Party versus the Cameron interpretation that exists to this day - in summary you begin to actually cater to the nuance in the population - the only massive obstacle is precisely what Corbyn and his colleagues are despised for - namely they are rather popular to people when given the opportunity to present their policy agenda - similarly with Farage - the truth is that that 'obstacle' is the real reason why for so long we have had no meaningful choice in politics and zero opportunity to see the candidate realistically elected.
I think regardless of the specifics of this story - two primary things - Starmer is not leadership material - time will tell and secondly, anybody deemed disliked or mildly independently minded is effectively censored - banned and even language and this sense of the antithesis of anything close to freedom of thought and so on is not permitted.
I suspect that an alliance of sorts of real Labour folk and possibly other smaller parties and groups could formulate a serious entity that under different electoral conditions could do very well indeed in any election.
The same can be said of Farage and the reform party.
It does seem the more right the tory's go the Labour party seem to want to fill the gap of traditional conservatism...
Nail on head!
You seem to be confusing centrist policies as desired by the majority of the population, with extreme right or loony left ones.
Keir Starmer Is about as in touch with the people as tony Blair was, please choose someone more in touch with the working class.
Corbyn was absolutely loathed by most of the working class.
Seems labour supporters need to take to the streets to protest this version of labour, which is a Labour-Tory party. How could anyone in their right mind support backstabbing Keir Starmer!
Corbyn needs to start his own party
Many will join him and I suspect most of the co-op MPs would join him
Starmer is a Red Tory and an empty vessel
Good idea , the old 2 or 3 party system needs to go.
What is Labour afraid off ?
Not having their pockets filled by big business and having sand poured in the revolving door.... Should they get in
Losing again, or winning and having a hard left faction in perpetual revolt on the back benches
@@soviet9366 Corbyn is the only Labour leader this Century to increase seats in a General Election.
Bad media attention.
Losing their cushy lifestyles while the rest of us rot.
like him or not...this isn't democratic
great man jetemy
Jeremy has much more followers than Kier - at least Jeremy knows what a woman is and will fight for their right 😉
Jeremy Corbyn is THE leader for Labour but like she said, there's clearly a witch hunt going on sadly 😢
Well yes he is an iconic figure but his efforts to get elected failed. Time to try different tactics. Obama was not great in America but he sure looks better than Trump. What do you want ideological purity and the people enslaved by the ERG?
Corbyn has tonight won considerable support by members of the Islington North Constituency Labour Party. A motion insisting it is up to local members to choose their MP was passed by 98%.
jezza should run as independent Labour
His constituents have voted for him to be their MP for more than 3 decades, why not let the local party decide and keep their noses out if it. I believe corbyn will stand as an independent and all starmer has achieved is losing a seat before a single vote has been cast.
Red Tories
Corbyn is the best and most honest person running for parliament no kier no problem
If you stand foe nothing, you'll fall for anything
All these comments bigging up JC yet they simply forget that everyone voted Tory last time..not to vote Tory, to stop JC being pm.
Lies. They voted for Brexit that is why the Tories won. Jeremy messed up on his stance and it cost him.
What is advanced - and I think evidently, precisely what has not being occuring is to have people enter influential positions, such as parliament, that have gone through the rigour of constituency caseloads - canvassed face to face and been challenged by real people and served a sort of sustained period with media scrutiny in interviews whilst possessing another personal experience than that of a philosophy degree.
The establishment have to compute if it is realistic - advanced and certainly sustainable to invoke 'standards' on prospective leaders via some bizarre criterion that as far as I can deduce means you must be either a nun or some sort of buddhist monk figure.
Now, fundamentally, the greatest critique of this era - and beyond that of the country generally, is that we have the talent.
If that were not the position - then the bleak period of the state of affairs today would amount to something extremely profound - insofar as an imminent degradation of some kind.
The facts are that the ideas are there - people are in fact capable, certainly not worse than the script readers in the commons.
This again is down to the ruling elite insofar as 'filtering' out people randomly they deem to risky because they would actually do something as opposed to the rather abstract fraternity pulling the strings who deem incremental 'change' preferable - which translated means powerful folk wish to keep on until the music stops and a sort of scramble ensues whereupon you discover precisely who is your ruler and who is not - the facts are peasants or serfs are extremely capable given the opportunity and I think that effectively, many younger people are superior to rich bankers or lawyers perpetually leading the country who as far as I can deduce - believe in nothing.
I think serving as a councillor is one way to gain experience - but frankly, I think the country very bizarrely has an awful lot of grown men and women highly bright - varied experiences and yet one common denominator - they all coincedently and simultaneously seem to be out of the picture - I think, we could do with a quite bit less of bright people pontificating over mismanagement of the country and have them running the country.
It is very sad Roger Scruton is no longer around and Tony Benn and you could on to list incredible talent - but we have a collective resource that should be under perfectly sensible new electoral stipulations entering the sphere and articulating equally sensible policies.
Also, I think it is owed frankly to the entire period of the leadership of Corbyn to ask the following question to all his detractors - why was it that so many young people physically energised and stimulated by his advocacies all congregated to his policy agenda or persona?
I don't think the magnitude of a demographic for so long consumed with consumerism - or crime or video games or sport or anything but politics has been understood by those who removed him - I invite them to do so and from that, you line of thought will take you into fully appreciating the value in listening to people - because that is central to the accurate answer.
He is successful because of sincerity - listening to people and fundamentally not discrediting or diminishing constituency matters - the entire movement of the campaign to have him elected is based upon what script readers in parliament readily dismiss as issues that are constituency.
Accessing essential public services - ill treatment by state institutions - victim of crime - impoverishment generally - working conditions - human rights - protection for journalists or civil servants from speaking out - insufficient welfare payments to carers - the infirmed and impaired - access to essential provision to better yourself - the list is continous and yet disregarded as constituency matters but spending 3 days discussing whether or not to smash up another sovereign state is value for tax payers.
The establishment is where you will find an intolerance and certainly hypocrisy of an extraordinary kind - not with vast numbers of previously unheard citizens - unknown to each other now standing together to hear their concerns and experiences actually being prioritised - that is a very significant allure that has not and will not be replicated until such time as it is even recognised - Sanders in the states got that - Hilary Clinton evidently did not - Corbyn understood that - and so did the establishment and so they chucked him out.
Thanks.
What a load of tosh …. It’s because of people like you…. Why the Tories had such a big majority…..and have been able to get away with filling their pockets and the poor get poorer…..get over yourself corbyn. Mac Donald, abbot….are all dinosaurs and should get out of the labour….. from a lifelong Labour Party supporter .
Jeremy Corbyn was elected 3 times into Harringay Council, won 10 general elections and the Labour party leadership election twice. I would say that proves his electability. Starmer, on the other hand has been elected as an MP only twice and once as Labour leader. Corbyn 15, Starmer 3. So who is more electable?
Jeremy Corbyn has been an mp since 1982
Starmer been an mp since 2005.
You be the judge !!!
Tory boy Starmer up to his same tricks again.
Corbyn was never the Weasel we have now 👎🇬🇧
Great 👍 my favourite Germany Corbin 🎉love ❤
Sorry what do you mean from standing?? he can stand as an independent and he will likely win.
Starmer wants to ignore a Labour majority for proportional representation and EU membership. Bring on Alexi Sayle!
He should go independent full stop. If Corbyn really puts his principles before his party loyalty - which he absolutely should - then he should finally show it here.
Corbyn could definitely win his seat as an independent standing against a Labour candidate, but Corbyn doesn't like confrontation and I don't think it's in his character to be fighting against a Labour candidate, he is a pacifist.
That is exactly what Sir Saintly Starmer is hoping for in this pure Machiavellian Stalinist move to further cement the factualism of the Labour party.
I think he'll stand against whatever Starmer bot they send.
Tells you all you need to know about labour. It's all an act, a sideshow to keep up the illusion of choice...