@@Thoroughly_Wet literally what’s on mine 😅. Originally got an old, used fiber optic rmr. Didn’t like it. So I just stuck an offset new, led rmr and left it lol
I will say as well, make sure you're getting an offset mount where the angle is actually centered around the bore, so when you roll over to it, your dot is actually level when it's vertically aligned with the barrel. You'd be surprised how many mounts are just stuck out at random angles from the pic rail.
It doesn't matter, the dot is always a fixed distance from the bore. It's the dot, not the device, that is rotated around the firing arc. As long as you zero. Gravity is always down.
Agreed. Micro piggybacked on an Reptilia ROF 90 is what I run on my 416. Even though I mainly use the LA5 under nods, the ROF 90 makes passive aiming incredibly easy.
Thanks for this - I believe the pro & con list should have included how they work under nods. The 12 o'clock is the way to go and using a standard height mount for LVPO will provide better cheek weld and more precision at distance if needed. Red dot and offset red dot is redundant but doesn't increase capability for the weight.
Why do u not run an enclosed optic for durability n ruggedness. Ur not concerned of the dot being compromised? I like enclosed for edc but ive been thinkin of just throwin a 507c on an offset to save a few bucks. But i rly want another 509t if i could find a sale might have to wait til black frisay
I think an acog+t1 is an optimal setup. It's the lightest "lpvo" setup. The acog never runs out of batteries, the t1 has a 5 year battery life, its cost effective compared to some options, you have a secondary sighting system, the ability to shoot passively under nods, and a purpose built optic for near and far shooting. I think LPVOs need to stop chasing the "perfect 1x" idea and think more like a rugged fixed lightweight optic. Most people recognize the need for a secondary sight which is commonly the offset red dot
The ELCAN was way ahead of its time since its a QD LPVO, with a backup red dot, and backup irons for the red dot. People always suggest I run flip up irons as well, but the eye relief is kinda short so I run it as far back as I can, and without front irons I can run my Dbal all the forward, the optic alone makes my 12.5" feel like a full size carbine.
Can't wait to see someone with a 6x ACOG with a red dot mounted on top and canted to the side at a 45° Or even a eotech with a magnifier and offset red dot that is also in line with the flipped magnifier
I piggyback my RDS on my LPVO personally because: 1) Offset is not ambi. You’re stuck rotating to one side and SOL vice versa 2) optic can get smoked out by sitting next to port door depending on what mounting option you use 3) my mount is only 1.54” so the rds sits just a hair higher than a standard unity. So not bad at all actually
Sincerely not trying to be difficult just looking at things from a macro view point. Via your numbering system: 1) You are assuming that you are going to find yourself not only in a situation where you can’t use your primary optic. And then adding on top of that not only losing your optic but having to work offside. We really are imagining everything going wrong???? There are plenty of pictures of operators during GWAT using an offset.. They seemed to be OK with it :-) PS not to mention offset irons should be a no go then for everyone in reference to what you are saying :-) 2) if you are concerned about hitting it in a door frame, etc. then you would also need to be concerned about your flashlight and your laser. Don’t you think that’s a little bit of a stretch. I know this is just a thought experiment from the video but I think sometimes we truly over analyze. I get what you are saying, though, Cheers No hard feelings….👍
@@practicepractice5719 totally respect the response brother. These were just my opinions on why I like the piggy back over offset setup. Of course the offset mounting has its benefits but for me piggyback just works better. At the end of the day it’s up to the operator to decide what works for him/her
I’m still new to the offset game, however I still run my ATACR on 1x I magnify up if I need to. Other than that the offset is my day/night back up option, and my awkward position/ moving opposite etc. The ATACR has a huge FOV on 1x and is just as fast as a red dot, but now I have both. I like the ability to have options which is ultimately what the setup offers.
Thank you for making this video. I have been trying to find out if a rmr would fit with my Eotech and you are the only person I’ve seen who has tried it..thanks man saved me a lot of money and guesswork
Something something Marine Corps 500m with iron sights something something. If you don’t like red dots on your pistol/rifle/as a BUIS or an offset simply should not run them. No one is mad you’re using irons while you’re shooting trash. The future is now, but you don’t have to be a part of it.
I'm starting to lean more to the regular height LPVO with a true red dot on top (i.e. ROF-90 etc) I guess it depends on what works for your mechanics and what goals you have.
@@JoseChung21 this is why I don’t see the problem with using an offset as your primary for close in work and the lpvo for distance work. You can keep the lpvo at a more appropriate mount height for precision work
I’m running a 1.93” Scalerworks Leap 8 mount with my NF 1-8 LVPO with the Scalarworks sidekick RMR cut offset Mount. I love this set up. The best of both worlds
For anyone running the micro fast mount you can take out the front sight post in the mount and use any front sight and they work together. This gives you a much better sight radius.
Great video! I'm setting up my unity Fast riser up the same way with the 45 degree mount from unity. Mine is rubbing on my EoTech. I noticed you have a shim in yours, did you make that shim??
If for no other reason other than a redundant system, its worth the cost and the weight. When comparing irons vs optics, irons don't even compare. When its come to shooting in the dark, shooting on the move and shooting from strange positions the red dot is far superior to irons. There are other advantages, but this is just one of them that makes it a no brainer.
I mean I don't care what you do, because everybody's different, but still. I just don't get the double red dot setup. Unless it's specifically for an EOTech (which technically isn't a red dot, but I digress) with an offset red dot, which is the only situation in which it makes sense, because the EOTech battery life is worse than most red dots. Also, if you have to have a backup red dot for your primary electronic sight (EOTech), why run the lower battery life optic as the primary in the first place? If you want the bigger optic window like the EOTech, get something like a Leupold LCO (~5 years battery life) or Vortex UH-1 Huey (~1,500 hours battery life).
@@darthhelmet8532 Yeah I know. I should've mentioned that in the comment, lol. I wonder how they got more battery life out of the same battery type? EOTech needs to ask them too haha.
I agree, I don’t see the point to rely on two electronic items. Either a scope and an offset red dot or red dot with irons. So you are not relying on batteries and wires for both. I follow the K.I.S.S. Method.
I jumped straight into red dots on rifles... But lately I have been exploring iron sights and my ability using irons and I have been running irons and an offset Dot
why would you make your most viable sighting system your second choice? Also why not run them both on top, flip up your irons, and turn the dot off to train irons??? There’s a reason why you may be the only dude in history to do this.
@@hopewilliams6705Just so I’m understanding correctly; you’re using standard style iron sights, but you have your red dot mounted on your rifle in an offset configuration?
At that point of the EO RMR Combo you might just put 2 EOs behind each other for a true absolute COWitness "just in case a battery dies" full tarkov mode here
Good video dude. I love how the haters just can’t let people do whatever the FUCK they want. GUARANTEED you shoot better than almost everyone who is hating. Hope you had a good 4th and we need to chat soon 👊🏼👊🏼
I love all the gear and information, but it's kind of a hobby into itself, I don't know if it's pertinent to anybody outside of circles willing to invest tens of thousands of dollars on training classes, ammunition and gucci gear. However, it's still entertaining to watch. Thank you.
I've been working nearly 20 years in an industry carrying "tacticool" rifles with all the doodads. Red dot, magnifiers, thermals, fancy rails, and flashlights. It's fun going to the range and having fun with that stuff, but it gets old real fast when you work with it everyday. My personal rifles are nice, but simple by comparison. Either scope or red dot. Plain and simple.
Since finding this channel I’m addicted! I’m saddened that ur no longer with Triarc I live in mabank about an hour from them in Mansfield. So I believe ur close as well but man ur channel is great!
I say use whatever setup works best for you. I personally don’t believe the 2 red dots holds utility for my needs but that is strictly my needs. The magnified optic with the dot makes more sense to me, but thats just me.
I personally like it because there is nothing faster if the primary goes down and for the low light capability if the primary goes down. I thought it was stupid at first too, but became a fan.
I also have degraded sight and had to switch to etched reticule (LPVO) as my primary. But I did miss my shake-awake type red-dot for closer profiles and lower light, just not the stigmatiz'd crazy star dot I could see. Moving the red-dot to a 35degree offset at same focal plane height over bore as the LPVO has been wonderful. And I am usually using the LPVO at 1x as you complained, but it works as well for me as your 'red dot with offset red dot ' discussed in this video. Good work!
So I did a plummet where it’s running to a cog with a offset red dot. I did take some getting used to. But like you said my prism scope has 100 yards zero my offset has a 15 m zero. And now I have pretty much my every day rifle set up the same way, and I have been fighting it to work very well for me. But yes it does take some getting used to
I’m not sure if I missed it but I had a few questions on the red dot setup. Is there a name of the offset mount your using with the red dot? Where can I order it from? And did you say I can run my magnifier with the red dot setup? Thank you. I love all your videos.
If I’m running offset red dots or irons they need to be mounted independently of my primary optic. If your primary optic takes a hit, loses zero or whatever then your dot will lose zero too.
Sure if that’s a concern run the arisaka or trex arms. But that’s a super rare situation and hard to see without you take some kind of damage physically from such a hit.
@@jacklewis3444 It makes no sense that an object you are holding in front of your face taking a hit wouldn’t also likely put you out of commission as well? How is that hard to believe? Lol
My favorite setup is a medium powered scope with an offset red dot. A medium powered scope with all of the features such as locking turrets, zero stop, and parallax setting is much better than an LPVO, even a 1-10 at the higher settings. And a red dot is better than the LPVO on 1x. I did the whole LPVO thing and they are compromised optics.
I can agree to an extent with that, people often times look for too much capability from their gear and thats where you start to see degradation in performance. I found that when it comes to LPVOs, the best options are 1-4 power because you don’t get that distortion or lack of clarity on one end of the magnification. If you need more magnification than that then you should be getting a scope that is meant for that kind of application.
Prism + Canted Red Dot is a cheaper combo and its incredibly simple. Everyone can use it and understands it. LPVO + Canted Red Dot is best but a good LPVO is expensive when a decent Prism is 200-300 bucks.
This. If it were not for current reasons, I would have a RDS on my prism. There is simply nothing faster. For now I have removed the prism entirely.. The future is a compact 5x prism with miniaturized lightweight holographic on top, hopefully. Best of all the things.
I’ve been saying this for over about 2 years now. I watched a show on Netflix called Love Death and Robots and there was a clip where these military guys were running an offset rmr along with an eotech+magnifier and Reddit roster me. Look where we are now. It’s definitely more viable over offender irons. Planning on trying the same set you have with the eotech but gonna run eotechs new red dot pistol sight instead of the rmr. God bless and keep posting great videos!
XS hase some 40° offset sights that dont flip, they are like a rear pistol dovetail sight with a big tridium front front sight, they are verry good sights, verry fast they are called the XS XT12 45° OFFSET
I don’t think it is personally. The applications where this technique is often applied, such as USPSA competitions, it makes sense as there are known situations where utilizing both the red dot and a magnified optic is necessary for speed. But in practicality, I don’t think there is a single person who would prefer the offset red dot to just using an LPVO on 1x. So for me, I tried this setup and didn’t find the benefits to be that great. It’s not easy to use the offset dot outside of being in a perfect stance with it perfectly angled, so that to me already makes it a no go for any “serious” rifle.
I thought this was ridiculous until I set up my new EoTech Vudu 1-10, Scalarworks Leap-09 34mm with the Kick-02 for RMR/SRO, and the SRO-2. Holy fucktard this is bad ass for clearing rooms and hallways
Seems like a worthwhile addition for someone running an Eotech on a riser. Eotechs are pretty legit, but their the short battery life, no shake awake, or no constant on I'd feel uncomfortable using one without a backup sight. On a riser you can't normally use the backup irons, so a side mounted backup just makes sense. Honestly if you have the money, red dots with long battery lives make plenty of sense for your role.
Lpvo with piggyback red dot for the win. 1-8 magnification for id'ing and firing out to distance. Red dot for close engagements and night vision passive aiming. Running a small cheek riser i fabricated for my stock so i have a positive contact with it when i bring my rifle up. Works great for my objectives. Dual red dots seems useless unless zeroing for different grains of bullets i guess.
if you're running a 1x red dot, use an offset 3x micro prism for those harder to reach shots at distance, think about this when you use a magnifier behind your 1x, that takes you off the gun, and in a fight seconds matter, in close quarters you're not aiming with a 3x or 4x scope in front are you, no, you're using your visible aiming laser, your torch 🔦, and if under nods, passively aiming with the infrared laser, now with and offset micro 3x prism, you can still use that in a close quarters setting as well as for midrange, it a 1x-3x with out ever having to get off target, the only time you should be off the gun in a fight is when taking cover and reloading
I don’t see the problem with running the offset dot primarily for you close in work and the 1-8/10 for everything else. Especially since as you raise the optic height of the lpvo to make it better at 1x you start to make precision shots more difficult
I see that the offset attachment is on the riser and the LPVO mount, i have the FAST tall mount.. do you think it will attach to that one? looking for a backup solution. Thanks!
I have absolutely no idea why you would offset a red dot to the side of a 1x holographic. Seems like it is adding awkward redundancy. I get it for an LPVOs.
Certainly guilty of going to my offset red dot over my LPVO. Feels more comfortable. It looks strange seeing double non magnified red dots but anyone gonna claim they’re faster on offset or fold down irons than their RMR? I may give it a shot especially as more RMR’s get retired for SRO’s or ACRO Mailboxes.
I'm weird because I like shooting red dot with back up iron sights up at the same time. For some reason I find I'm way more accurate. Also, looking at the dot behind a peep sight makes the dot appear more refined.
I been asking a similar question. If you have a 1x9 power lpvo and red dot combo. You only shoot the scope at 9x and switch if needed. Why not just have a dedicated 9x power scope with holds. It would cut a bunch of weight. I am sure by now someone could make a very nice x4,x6 or even x9 power scope less then a pound. Ask tasco
The thing i encounter is limited opportunity to train magnifiers. It is just hard for me regionally to take a class or find somewhere i can actually do good magnified rifle drills. Let's be frank, rifles have two uses, offensive and defensive. Range favors offensive maneuvers and product favors defensive. Most lpvo offerings need 300 yards before they stretch their legs. Most classes and facilities near me i can drill are 50 or less. But if it was the boogaloo I'd not be running up to threats to engage at the distance i drilled at. I'd love to developed better skills with any magnification but I'm just limited. Doesn't mean having magnification is bad or unwise.
I don't even have irons on my rifles anymore unless that is the only sights on them. Base magnification for my variables are never less than 3x and my offset dot is always zeroed at 50 yards. I don't see why people run 1x variable scopes with an offset dot. I think the scope should be your magnifier and the dot is your 1x if that's what your needing.
Bob Marley said "baby you so nice, I like to do the same thing twice" and honestly I feel this. That being said we replace irons for dots on everything so I'm team replacing back up irons with back up dots. I'm gonna make a backup red dot for handguns.
LPVO(1-6 is my preference) with an offset red dot. After running a few classes, the ability to quickly engage between short, medium, and long-range targets is unmatched. Although red dots and magnifiers work great too. I'm also interested in trying a 2-12, 2.5-10 type setup with a red dot. This could really stretch the capablilty of the AR platform.
a more traditional scope over an lpvo seems like a better, more logical pairing with an offset reddot. This way, you'll get a much better long range picture compared to an lpvo and anything ubder 100meters will be doable with a reddot. I'm in fact thinking of pairing a fixed 10x scope with an offaet reddot site. 🤔
I absolutely believe the offset red dot is a fantastic thing with an LVPO, but a red dot with an offset red dot is too much. Just get a magnifier with a throw lever. Too much and nearly the gucci, look good for the gram feeling to me..
I've been having the same mental dilema about top vs offset dots. I wanted to run a 1.7 or 1.9 height LPVO, but also want a dot for passive NV use and as a close range tool. Top mount dots aren't as good for daytime use imo because the 'almost-a-chin-weld' is real even on a 1.5 LPVO mount, but the offset mounts i've seen just dont seem to be designed with NV shooting in mind. The other thing that puts me off offsets, is that it'll be the first thing to smack into obstacles a lot of the time. Probably me just being paranoid about durability, but still makes me uncomfortable. Top mount is definitely winning in my head in my case. Totally agree about the guys using the dot 90% of the time as well. A lot of what drew people to LPVOs in the first place was the 1x capability, but if you're using the dot instead of that 1x setting, maybe don't be super set on just a 1-6/8/10, maybe a 2.5-10 is better, or an ACOG, or maybe you can prioritize other features of an LPVO over its 1x performance and a 'daylight bright' reticle, etc.
With the eotech and rmr combo, what’s the offset mount? If that’s a unity on their website it said it’s only compatible with the lpvo mount. Is it also compatible with the piccatiny riser? Thanks!!
@@hdub6527 thanks for that product recommendation! I was also referring to the orange markings on the screws, I found Dykem Croas Check, I’m not sure if that’s what was used.
Not sure I'm understanding the offset red dot on my red dot. I run an eotech and a comp m4. My irons are lower 1/3rd. If my main optic goes down my irons are already in field of view. They're already in sight. It would take me longer to offset my rifle, then find the dot on a much smaller optic. Makes sense with a scope, not so much with a holo or dot.
You are one of the very few running irons up... If I was you I probably wouldn't run an offset dot either, but for dudes running flip ups now an offset is quicker... and I like the benefit of a dot in low light. But I'm old and irons are an issue now anyway.
Here’s a real world example that I run for hog killing. ACOG on top towards the rear, 45 degree rail in front of the ACOG for my mini thermal Torrey Pines.
I saw your recent video on this and thought that’s dumb. After watching this, I can see why. I don’t think I’d personally run the dot and dot but LPVO and dot I would.
So the offset mount works for the lpvo and eotech riser? Unity says it only works with the lpvo mount but I’m pretty use to gun companies saying things that just aren’t true.
If you put a red dot to back up a red dot, you might as well put 7 of them as back up to each other. Lpvo is used at max distance only and t2 on top or side mount. Long and medium to short range capability in one rifle. Dot on dot tho Lolol and I own a “couple” of them 😅
The winner of “ much more money can you throw on a rifle “ contest winner
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ACOG with top mount rmr and offset rmr
Literally not a dollar more
@@Thoroughly_Wet literally what’s on mine 😅. Originally got an old, used fiber optic rmr. Didn’t like it. So I just stuck an offset new, led rmr and left it lol
TA02-C with the forward RMR, offset. Show off that tube drip without them on.
I will say as well, make sure you're getting an offset mount where the angle is actually centered around the bore, so when you roll over to it, your dot is actually level when it's vertically aligned with the barrel. You'd be surprised how many mounts are just stuck out at random angles from the pic rail.
I'd add; make sure the offset is the same height as the regular site as well.
You can still get a good zero if it’s off center a little bit. If you’re actually truing in your zero then it’s not a problem
It doesn't matter, the dot is always a fixed distance from the bore. It's the dot, not the device, that is rotated around the firing arc. As long as you zero. Gravity is always down.
Some nerd is gonna be running red dot with offset red dot . You know so you can have 2 battle zeros.
That’s…………. How did this get so many likes?! The barrel is a circle…………….. just zero the rifle at whatever line goes towards the dot
Regarding the LPVO setup, I’ve found the 12 o’clock to be a bit easier for passive shooting under nods. Just one additional thing to consider.
Piggy back gang
Agreed. Micro piggybacked on an Reptilia ROF 90 is what I run on my 416. Even though I mainly use the LA5 under nods, the ROF 90 makes passive aiming incredibly easy.
Thanks for this - I believe the pro & con list should have included how they work under nods. The 12 o'clock is the way to go and using a standard height mount for LVPO will provide better cheek weld and more precision at distance if needed. Red dot and offset red dot is redundant but doesn't increase capability for the weight.
I run an arisaka offset mount with a holosun rds on it. Works perfect and didn't cost me more than 250 bucks total to do.
Why do u not run an enclosed optic for durability n ruggedness. Ur not concerned of the dot being compromised? I like enclosed for edc but ive been thinkin of just throwin a 507c on an offset to save a few bucks. But i rly want another 509t if i could find a sale might have to wait til black frisay
@@kalanipitmon7817 holosun makes enclosed red dots and Arisaka makes mounts for them
A 403 costs less than a 407c and is enclosed
@@ericj6636 403c is what I have on my canted mount. Cheap and works fine.
I think an acog+t1 is an optimal setup. It's the lightest "lpvo" setup. The acog never runs out of batteries, the t1 has a 5 year battery life, its cost effective compared to some options, you have a secondary sighting system, the ability to shoot passively under nods, and a purpose built optic for near and far shooting. I think LPVOs need to stop chasing the "perfect 1x" idea and think more like a rugged fixed lightweight optic. Most people recognize the need for a secondary sight which is commonly the offset red dot
The Tritium lamp in an acog has a life. I’ve seen some dim considerably in as little as 7-8 years.
The ELCAN was way ahead of its time since its a QD LPVO, with a backup red dot, and backup irons for the red dot. People always suggest I run flip up irons as well, but the eye relief is kinda short so I run it as far back as I can, and without front irons I can run my Dbal all the forward, the optic alone makes my 12.5" feel like a full size carbine.
We really are in a golden age of mounting options and being able to try just about any conceivable setup for any kind of scenario. Great video, homie.
Can't wait to see someone with a 6x ACOG with a red dot mounted on top and canted to the side at a 45°
Or even a eotech with a magnifier and offset red dot that is also in line with the flipped magnifier
Lucas at trex arms just did this.
@@WinSomeLoseNone0 which one?
@@Thoroughly_Wet magnifier flipped to line with the offset
I piggyback my RDS on my LPVO personally because:
1) Offset is not ambi. You’re stuck rotating to one side and SOL vice versa
2) optic can get smoked out by sitting next to port door depending on what mounting option you use
3) my mount is only 1.54” so the rds sits just a hair higher than a standard unity. So not bad at all actually
Same. Literally the only drawback is not being able to look like John Wick by canting the rifle.
Sincerely not trying to be difficult just looking at things from a macro view point. Via your numbering system:
1) You are assuming that you are going to find yourself not only in a situation where you can’t use your primary optic. And then adding on top of that not only losing your optic but having to work offside. We really are imagining everything going wrong???? There are plenty of pictures of operators during GWAT using an offset.. They seemed to be OK with it :-)
PS not to mention offset irons should be a no go then for everyone in reference to what you are saying :-)
2) if you are concerned about hitting it in a door frame, etc. then you would also need to be concerned about your flashlight and your laser. Don’t you think that’s a little bit of a stretch. I know this is just a thought experiment from the video but I think sometimes we truly over analyze.
I get what you are saying, though, Cheers
No hard feelings….👍
@@practicepractice5719 totally respect the response brother. These were just my opinions on why I like the piggy back over offset setup. Of course the offset mounting has its benefits but for me piggyback just works better. At the end of the day it’s up to the operator to decide what works for him/her
@@chiemeka2009 you forgot them/they
@@chewminem2044 shit! Now the Xir/Xe/It crowd will come for my neck 😅
Great video Jim. This is the in depth info that needs to be talked about in regards to offsets.
Thanks bro! It’s a setup I definitely didn’t like at first but has grown on me the more I see the benefits.
The EoTech and offset dot is the dumbest setup I've seen in all of 2022.
But, dude, it’s THE FUTURE!
@@WheelchairOperator lol I know right? The holo/dot or dot/dot explanation made me lose brain cells.
I’m still new to the offset game, however I still run my ATACR on 1x I magnify up if I need to. Other than that the offset is my day/night back up option, and my awkward position/ moving opposite etc. The ATACR has a huge FOV on 1x and is just as fast as a red dot, but now I have both. I like the ability to have options which is ultimately what the setup offers.
Thank you for making this video. I have been trying to find out if a rmr would fit with my Eotech and you are the only person I’ve seen who has tried it..thanks man saved me a lot of money and guesswork
I actually experienced this today at the Gun Range and loved the offset red dot 🔴!
I got an eotech with offset rmr at 2 o clock and another rmr at 10 o clock for switching shoulders 🔥
Something something Marine Corps 500m with iron sights something something.
If you don’t like red dots on your pistol/rifle/as a BUIS or an offset simply should not run them. No one is mad you’re using irons while you’re shooting trash. The future is now, but you don’t have to be a part of it.
This man gets it! At the end of the day run what you want to run, but don’t hate on those trying to find better ways.
I'm starting to lean more to the regular height LPVO with a true red dot on top (i.e. ROF-90 etc) I guess it depends on what works for your mechanics and what goals you have.
See above comments that it's also better to run at 12 o'clock under nods - standard height LPVO offers better cheek weld and precision at distance.
@@JoseChung21 this is why I don’t see the problem with using an offset as your primary for close in work and the lpvo for distance work. You can keep the lpvo at a more appropriate mount height for precision work
I’m running a 1.93” Scalerworks Leap 8 mount with my NF 1-8 LVPO with the Scalarworks sidekick RMR cut offset Mount.
I love this set up.
The best of both worlds
Appreciate the work you put into your videos. Thanks for the content.
I like this video, very relevant with lots of clips showing real experience!
For anyone running the micro fast mount you can take out the front sight post in the mount and use any front sight and they work together. This gives you a much better sight radius.
Great video! I'm setting up my unity Fast riser up the same way with the 45 degree mount from unity. Mine is rubbing on my EoTech. I noticed you have a shim in yours, did you make that shim??
My favorite offset mount has always been JPROS but I think I’ll look into some of the newer stuff soon.
If for no other reason other than a redundant system, its worth the cost and the weight. When comparing irons vs optics, irons don't even compare. When its come to shooting in the dark, shooting on the move and shooting from strange positions the red dot is far superior to irons. There are other advantages, but this is just one of them that makes it a no brainer.
I mean I don't care what you do, because everybody's different, but still. I just don't get the double red dot setup. Unless it's specifically for an EOTech (which technically isn't a red dot, but I digress) with an offset red dot, which is the only situation in which it makes sense, because the EOTech battery life is worse than most red dots.
Also, if you have to have a backup red dot for your primary electronic sight (EOTech), why run the lower battery life optic as the primary in the first place? If you want the bigger optic window like the EOTech, get something like a Leupold LCO (~5 years battery life) or Vortex UH-1 Huey (~1,500 hours battery life).
The Vortex UH-1 is also a holographic optic like the EoTech, it just has about twice the battery life
@@darthhelmet8532 Yeah I know. I should've mentioned that in the comment, lol. I wonder how they got more battery life out of the same battery type? EOTech needs to ask them too haha.
@@kasper_429
Yep, EoTech does needa step up their game haha
I agree, I don’t see the point to rely on two electronic items. Either a scope and an offset red dot or red dot with irons. So you are not relying on batteries and wires for both.
I follow the K.I.S.S. Method.
Idc I'm getting them 1.93 irons from scalerworks in October. Great video and great info
I jumped straight into red dots on rifles... But lately I have been exploring iron sights and my ability using irons and I have been running irons and an offset Dot
That’s definitely an interesting setup. Are you running something like the Magpul pros or the knights irons?
@@jimmybrodriguez Yes the Magpul
why would you make your most viable sighting system your second choice? Also why not run them both on top, flip up your irons, and turn the dot off to train irons??? There’s a reason why you may be the only dude in history to do this.
@@HourEleven dude I didn't say it was practical outside of me learning to shoot irons better
@@hopewilliams6705Just so I’m understanding correctly; you’re using standard style iron sights, but you have your red dot mounted on your rifle in an offset configuration?
At that point of the EO RMR Combo you might just put 2 EOs behind each other for a true absolute COWitness "just in case a battery dies"
full tarkov mode here
Good video dude. I love how the haters just can’t let people do whatever the FUCK they want. GUARANTEED you shoot better than almost everyone who is hating. Hope you had a good 4th and we need to chat soon 👊🏼👊🏼
Thanks homie! Yeah the internet is gonna internet. But yes let’s hop on a call soon
I love all the gear and information, but it's kind of a hobby into itself, I don't know if it's pertinent to anybody outside of circles willing to invest tens of thousands of dollars on training classes, ammunition and gucci gear. However, it's still entertaining to watch. Thank you.
I've been working nearly 20 years in an industry carrying "tacticool" rifles with all the doodads. Red dot, magnifiers, thermals, fancy rails, and flashlights. It's fun going to the range and having fun with that stuff, but it gets old real fast when you work with it everyday. My personal rifles are nice, but simple by comparison. Either scope or red dot. Plain and simple.
Since finding this channel I’m addicted! I’m saddened that ur no longer with Triarc I live in mabank about an hour from them in Mansfield. So I believe ur close as well but man ur channel is great!
2007 ACOG ECOS called. For me piggyback is the way. Currently running 1-8 ffp Lpvo redot at the 12
I say use whatever setup works best for you. I personally don’t believe the 2 red dots holds utility for my needs but that is strictly my needs. The magnified optic with the dot makes more sense to me, but thats just me.
I personally like it because there is nothing faster if the primary goes down and for the low light capability if the primary goes down. I thought it was stupid at first too, but became a fan.
Garandthumb has said it, the SEAL and SF he was with (on that video) said it, SOF guys that are active duty use it. Seems like a resounding yes to me.
I also have degraded sight and had to switch to etched reticule (LPVO) as my primary. But I did miss my shake-awake type red-dot for closer profiles and lower light, just not the stigmatiz'd crazy star dot I could see. Moving the red-dot to a 35degree offset at same focal plane height over bore as the LPVO has been wonderful. And I am usually using the LPVO at 1x as you complained, but it works as well for me as your 'red dot with offset red dot ' discussed in this video. Good work!
Thoughts on running 2 zeroes on a double red dot setup?
So I did a plummet where it’s running to a cog with a offset red dot. I did take some getting used to. But like you said my prism scope has 100 yards zero my offset has a 15 m zero. And now I have pretty much my every day rifle set up the same way, and I have been fighting it to work very well for me. But yes it does take some getting used to
I’m not sure if I missed it but I had a few questions on the red dot setup. Is there a name of the offset mount your using with the red dot? Where can I order it from? And did you say I can run my magnifier with the red dot setup? Thank you. I love all your videos.
If I’m running offset red dots or irons they need to be mounted independently of my primary optic. If your primary optic takes a hit, loses zero or whatever then your dot will lose zero too.
He is using the same mount for both red dots?
I haven’t finished the video.
Sure if that’s a concern run the arisaka or trex arms. But that’s a super rare situation and hard to see without you take some kind of damage physically from such a hit.
Ehh if ur primary optics is being pushed off zero that bad lol I’m sure so will ur irons . This will always be better than irons
@@jimmybrodriguez that makes absolutely no sense lmao..? But yeah I’ve used the Arisaka mounts in the past I like them.
@@jacklewis3444 It makes no sense that an object you are holding in front of your face taking a hit wouldn’t also likely put you out of commission as well?
How is that hard to believe? Lol
They have been the future since 2010
Which mount is being used on the Unity tactical FAST mount to mount the offset red dot? I do not see it on their website.
My favorite setup is a medium powered scope with an offset red dot. A medium powered scope with all of the features such as locking turrets, zero stop, and parallax setting is much better than an LPVO, even a 1-10 at the higher settings. And a red dot is better than the LPVO on 1x.
I did the whole LPVO thing and they are compromised optics.
I can agree to an extent with that, people often times look for too much capability from their gear and thats where you start to see degradation in performance.
I found that when it comes to LPVOs, the best options are 1-4 power because you don’t get that distortion or lack of clarity on one end of the magnification. If you need more magnification than that then you should be getting a scope that is meant for that kind of application.
Prism + Canted Red Dot is a cheaper combo and its incredibly simple. Everyone can use it and understands it. LPVO + Canted Red Dot is best but a good LPVO is expensive when a decent Prism is 200-300 bucks.
Eotch with a magnifier. Simple best of both. And fast
This. If it were not for current reasons, I would have a RDS on my prism. There is simply nothing faster. For now I have removed the prism entirely.. The future is a compact 5x prism with miniaturized lightweight holographic on top, hopefully. Best of all the things.
@@ray32245mv I'm waiting for an SLX primary arms 5x
I’ve been saying this for over about 2 years now. I watched a show on Netflix called Love Death and Robots and there was a clip where these military guys were running an offset rmr along with an eotech+magnifier and Reddit roster me. Look where we are now. It’s definitely more viable over offender irons. Planning on trying the same set you have with the eotech but gonna run eotechs new red dot pistol sight instead of the rmr. God bless and keep posting great videos!
Have you tried the surefire/dueck defence backup iron sights with your eotech/unity setup?
XS hase some 40° offset sights that dont flip, they are like a rear pistol dovetail sight with a big tridium front front sight, they are verry good sights, verry fast they are called the XS XT12 45° OFFSET
I don’t think it is personally. The applications where this technique is often applied, such as USPSA competitions, it makes sense as there are known situations where utilizing both the red dot and a magnified optic is necessary for speed.
But in practicality, I don’t think there is a single person who would prefer the offset red dot to just using an LPVO on 1x.
So for me, I tried this setup and didn’t find the benefits to be that great. It’s not easy to use the offset dot outside of being in a perfect stance with it perfectly angled, so that to me already makes it a no go for any “serious” rifle.
I thought this was ridiculous until I set up my new EoTech Vudu 1-10, Scalarworks Leap-09 34mm with the Kick-02 for RMR/SRO, and the SRO-2. Holy fucktard this is bad ass for clearing rooms and hallways
Seems like a worthwhile addition for someone running an Eotech on a riser. Eotechs are pretty legit, but their the short battery life, no shake awake, or no constant on I'd feel uncomfortable using one without a backup sight. On a riser you can't normally use the backup irons, so a side mounted backup just makes sense.
Honestly if you have the money, red dots with long battery lives make plenty of sense for your role.
I'm gonna start running an EoTech on a bolt on 1913 riser, with an offset ACOG...
Lpvo with piggyback red dot for the win. 1-8 magnification for id'ing and firing out to distance. Red dot for close engagements and night vision passive aiming. Running a small cheek riser i fabricated for my stock so i have a positive contact with it when i bring my rifle up. Works great for my objectives. Dual red dots seems useless unless zeroing for different grains of bullets i guess.
if you're running a 1x red dot, use an offset 3x micro prism for those harder to reach shots at distance, think about this when you use a magnifier behind your 1x, that takes you off the gun, and in a fight seconds matter, in close quarters you're not aiming with a 3x or 4x scope in front are you, no, you're using your visible aiming laser, your torch 🔦, and if under nods, passively aiming with the infrared laser, now with and offset micro 3x prism, you can still use that in a close quarters setting as well as for midrange, it a 1x-3x with out ever having to get off target, the only time you should be off the gun in a fight is when taking cover and reloading
I don’t see the problem with running the offset dot primarily for you close in work and the 1-8/10 for everything else. Especially since as you raise the optic height of the lpvo to make it better at 1x you start to make precision shots more difficult
I see that the offset attachment is on the riser and the LPVO mount, i have the FAST tall mount.. do you think it will attach to that one? looking for a backup solution. Thanks!
Are those same offset mount for the UNITY fast and LPVO? I know it works on the LPVO mount but it also works on the fast riser?
Yes I’m running the same one on both
What offset mount is that for the RMR with the Eotech?
It’s the one I have linked in the description
Very well thought out and explained.
Any chance you could upload in 4K?
I have absolutely no idea why you would offset a red dot to the side of a 1x holographic. Seems like it is adding awkward redundancy. I get it for an LPVOs.
It would probably be helpful if someone made a video answering that question
Thanks for the amazing knowledgeable vid🙏🏻🤝🏻
An offset dot always beats irons or offset irons in low light/no light scenario.
Certainly guilty of going to my offset red dot over my LPVO. Feels more comfortable. It looks strange seeing double non magnified red dots but anyone gonna claim they’re faster on offset or fold down irons than their RMR? I may give it a shot especially as more RMR’s get retired for SRO’s or ACRO Mailboxes.
What I did... Had a spare rmr and thought "ya know"... I think you'll dig it. Besides, for me, irons are about useless in low light.
still waiting for an offset LVPO set up as a back up to irons.
Well human intelligence is devolving so it very well might be the future
Another other reason to run an offset RDS with an RDS is for competition, ive heard the offset can help shooting hard left leans.
Lots of benefits out there
i was thinking of running 4 EOTECHs on my HK416 quad rail. will let yall know how that goes. wanted to keep it budget
I think youre missing out on also using all the 45 areas too
Wait so does the Unity offset base work with the eo tech riser? Their website says it only works with the lvpo mount
Nick is the man.
Then you have those guys that say, "I want irons still, in case my red dot/LPVO and offset red dot go down bro."
Which mount are you using for eotech and the offset
It’s the one I have linked in description
I'm weird because I like shooting red dot with back up iron sights up at the same time. For some reason I find I'm way more accurate. Also, looking at the dot behind a peep sight makes the dot appear more refined.
Astigmatism sucks. I like etched reticles now.
Is the red dot you’d use on a rifle the same as the one you’d use on a pistol?
The only thing about offset is that even with zero the barrel will make the round arc in a direction related to how you present and aim.
The offset dot is directly above the bore when you can't the rifle... not sure what you mean? Same same
I been asking a similar question. If you have a 1x9 power lpvo and red dot combo. You only shoot the scope at 9x and switch if needed. Why not just have a dedicated 9x power scope with holds. It would cut a bunch of weight. I am sure by now someone could make a very nice x4,x6 or even x9 power scope less then a pound. Ask tasco
I've been saying this too. Hell, run a fixed primary... everyone goes from one to full anyway.
Would it be crazy to have a red dot, an offset red dot, and back up irons 👀
With the plastic mbus’s 🫣
The thing i encounter is limited opportunity to train magnifiers.
It is just hard for me regionally to take a class or find somewhere i can actually do good magnified rifle drills.
Let's be frank, rifles have two uses, offensive and defensive. Range favors offensive maneuvers and product favors defensive.
Most lpvo offerings need 300 yards before they stretch their legs. Most classes and facilities near me i can drill are 50 or less. But if it was the boogaloo I'd not be running up to threats to engage at the distance i drilled at.
I'd love to developed better skills with any magnification but I'm just limited. Doesn't mean having magnification is bad or unwise.
Thank you 😊
I don't even have irons on my rifles anymore unless that is the only sights on them. Base magnification for my variables are never less than 3x and my offset dot is always zeroed at 50 yards. I don't see why people run 1x variable scopes with an offset dot. I think the scope should be your magnifier and the dot is your 1x if that's what your needing.
Bob Marley said "baby you so nice, I like to do the same thing twice" and honestly I feel this.
That being said we replace irons for dots on everything so I'm team replacing back up irons with back up dots. I'm gonna make a backup red dot for handguns.
Double stacked red dots gonna have that mp looking like 90s hatchback civic after fast and furious came out.
What offset mount and optic mount did Joe run on his Bruiser build in this video?
How do you store your sling on the rifle like that
LPVO(1-6 is my preference) with an offset red dot. After running a few classes, the ability to quickly engage between short, medium, and long-range targets is unmatched. Although red dots and magnifiers work great too. I'm also interested in trying a 2-12, 2.5-10 type setup with a red dot. This could really stretch the capablilty of the AR platform.
Running an offset DPP with 2.5-10 vortex. Much lighter than LPVO and 10x looks great.
a more traditional scope over an lpvo seems like a better, more logical pairing with an offset reddot. This way, you'll get a much better long range picture compared to an lpvo and anything ubder 100meters will be doable with a reddot. I'm in fact thinking of pairing a fixed 10x scope with an offaet reddot site. 🤔
I absolutely believe the offset red dot is a fantastic thing with an LVPO, but a red dot with an offset red dot is too much. Just get a magnifier with a throw lever. Too much and nearly the gucci, look good for the gram feeling to me..
I've been having the same mental dilema about top vs offset dots. I wanted to run a 1.7 or 1.9 height LPVO, but also want a dot for passive NV use and as a close range tool. Top mount dots aren't as good for daytime use imo because the 'almost-a-chin-weld' is real even on a 1.5 LPVO mount, but the offset mounts i've seen just dont seem to be designed with NV shooting in mind. The other thing that puts me off offsets, is that it'll be the first thing to smack into obstacles a lot of the time. Probably me just being paranoid about durability, but still makes me uncomfortable. Top mount is definitely winning in my head in my case.
Totally agree about the guys using the dot 90% of the time as well. A lot of what drew people to LPVOs in the first place was the 1x capability, but if you're using the dot instead of that 1x setting, maybe don't be super set on just a 1-6/8/10, maybe a 2.5-10 is better, or an ACOG, or maybe you can prioritize other features of an LPVO over its 1x performance and a 'daylight bright' reticle, etc.
Arisaka and some other people make offset mounts that are NV height.
Confused why one would 45 a reddot next to an eotech?
With the eotech and rmr combo, what’s the offset mount? If that’s a unity on their website it said it’s only compatible with the lpvo mount. Is it also compatible with the piccatiny riser? Thanks!!
Ok so what mounts do I need to buy to run my Eotech with another red dot I went through the links and didn’t see what I need. Thank you
Solving more problems that don't exist for most people
Random question, but what product/marker are you using on screws that are torqued to make sure they aren’t backing out? Thanks in advance!
Fix it sticks are awesome. A must if mounting rifle accessories…
@@hdub6527 thanks for that product recommendation! I was also referring to the orange markings on the screws, I found Dykem Croas Check, I’m not sure if that’s what was used.
Just a simple paint pin from any craft store
Red dots on everything 🤘🏾
Not sure I'm understanding the offset red dot on my red dot. I run an eotech and a comp m4. My irons are lower 1/3rd. If my main optic goes down my irons are already in field of view. They're already in sight. It would take me longer to offset my rifle, then find the dot on a much smaller optic. Makes sense with a scope, not so much with a holo or dot.
But, hey to each their own. I might be missing something.
@@mitchellbryars9338 you're missing that he's running his optics on risers so he can't cowitness irons
You are one of the very few running irons up... If I was you I probably wouldn't run an offset dot either, but for dudes running flip ups now an offset is quicker... and I like the benefit of a dot in low light. But I'm old and irons are an issue now anyway.
Here’s a real world example that I run for hog killing.
ACOG on top towards the rear, 45 degree rail in front of the ACOG for my mini thermal Torrey Pines.
Man I’m f***en old now and need a prism sight. What’s a good battle tested work horse prism sight???? Thanks
The RMR needs a backup T2
A flip-to-offset magnifier would make the eotech/ offset red dot GOAT.
I saw your recent video on this and thought that’s dumb. After watching this, I can see why. I don’t think I’d personally run the dot and dot but LPVO and dot I would.
So the offset mount works for the lpvo and eotech riser? Unity says it only works with the lpvo mount but I’m pretty use to gun companies saying things that just aren’t true.
You’ll have to make some slight modification to the housing or mount to make it work
Jims Goon Life 2030 "Offset Red Dots, with an offset red dot. Future or Nah"
What is the long range scope you are using ?
If you put a red dot to back up a red dot, you might as well put 7 of them as back up to each other. Lpvo is used at max distance only and t2 on top or side mount. Long and medium to short range capability in one rifle. Dot on dot tho Lolol and I own a “couple” of them 😅
Not the future. State of the art for competition in the 2010s. The new trend of offset red dot as a backup to a red dot is stupid.