American Reacts to Norwegian Police vs. American Police
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- As an American I have a very specific idea of what police are like and it is based off only my experiences with American police. That is why today I am very interested in learning all about the Norwegian police and how they are different to American police. If you enjoyed the video feel free to leave a comment, like, or subscribe for more!
My son, 11 years old, wants to be an police offiser when he grows up. Everytime he sees a police car drive by, he waves at them. They always wave and smile back😊.
As a English lady living in Norway I'm really impressed with their police force for example a young man who was staying with me got drunk in town , the police brought him home and then spoke to me first to make sure it was safe before letting him out the car . Another time he was arrested for being drunk and jailed for one night and the police phoned me to let me know he was safe. They don't have cells in the town I live so he was send to the next one he was given a train ticket to get back .
I want to point out something regarding Norwegian prisons:
Up until the 80s, Norway’s recidivism rate was comparable to that of the US. Our current system was made _because of_ those high recidivism rates, after studies were published detailing how to lower it. And it worked, which is why one of the Dakotas are now trying it out.
When comparing US numbers to Norwegian numbers..... You have to understand that USA has over 18 000 different police precincts. Highway patrol, local police, sheriffs office, state troopers, FBI, and the list goes on. They ALL run their own show with their own training, their own rules, their own computer systems, their own everything... They have ZERO systems for calculating statistics across all these different systems. They dont have any database on cases across police precincts, counties, or cities.
You know that thing in police shows where they look at their computer and says "Hmmm... This murder looks a bit like this other one that happened in another state 3 weeks ago" Yeah... That doesnt exist.
They have NO way of collecting data over state lines. And its the same with healthcare. Where every hospital is privatised and runs their own systems. So... Whenever you hear US statistics like that quoted in media, those statistics are PURE guesswork. Some politicians will say "crime is down 15%" and other politicians will say "crime is up 23.6%" if it suits their political agenda to say so.... But neither of them have ANY KIND of real data or studies to point at. The studies that do exist, are paid for by the people that want it to look good.
So when you compare American statistics to Norwegian, British, German, whatever statistics... Then do understand that you are compareing fictional american numbers to real numbers from Norway, England, Germany, wherever. Because US police are not spending any resources to these things.
I wrote a big article on these things a couple of years ago. Comparing US police to European police. And US police generally get 3-5 months of basic boot-camp-style training that has not changed since 1967. So there you go. Its hard for Europeans to even understand how cowboy amateurish US police are.
@@captain_context9991 I've also seen cases of different departments practically working against echother due to some disagreement between departmets,this and the fact you mentioned about not having any shared database is asbolutely MORONIC!
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Absolutely mental. I have spent some time on these things and the further into if you go, the crazier it gets. If you search for "The Dickey Amendment" Its a Congressional ban on any gun-related statistics or incidents. Complete ban. Its been going on for soon 25 years, and there is no signs of it going to stop any time soon. Search for "Why nobody knows how many are shot by police a year" Yes... The US of Murca does not know how many get shot by police a year. Its not secret, its not hidden information, just.... Nobody knows. That kind of research is illegal to do. Because if anyone does, then the numbers will be shocking.
We kinda... KINDA know how many that die. Because when people die its visible in other ways. But only "kinda" There are reporters that send in cases they see in local news and stuff. And their list is over 3 times larger than the "official" number. -Because, sure.... there IS an official number. An official FBI statistics site.
Now... There IS an official FBI database which every one of those 18 000 precincts are supposed to report in to. But its completely voluntary and the absolute vast majority of precincts dont bother. Because there is no pressure to do it. So they dont. And even if a precinct does, you cant trust that what they say is accurate. Most are afraid to come out looking worse than the next, and nobody likes the "government" poking into what they do.
The former FBI boss said numerous times that it was EMBARRASSING that he, the leader of the FBI, could not sit on accurate data. That even he was not allowed to run real statistics on these things.
And its the same again with unemployment statistics. The US showing world record unemployment while in the middle of a pandemic, economic downturns, things like that. Why? Because whatever politician needs to look better than the previous one. The numbers are just made up. Same with homelessness, poverty... Every state has their own idea of what should be called "poverty" and every state counts differently. You cannot compare the data and get anything out of it.
One state simply calls up 1500 households in the middle of the day and ask "hello this is the government. Are you people employed" In a country where not being employed carries a lot of stigma, and people are deadly afraid of the government. Another state counted homelessness by sending out a couple of people who walked up and down the streets of one city with a flipchart noting the homeless people that saw on that night, then extrapolated that up to a state-wide level, and thats now their "unemployment rate" NOBODY HAS A CLUE!!! And this is every single state.
The US is a civilized country, ofcourse. So when they dont have accurate statistics on the important things like crime, guns, police, poverty, homelessness, none of the unpleasant stuff, if they dont have REAL data, its because they dont WANT to see the real data. Because its so much worse than anyone wants to see.
--And so much worse in comparison to other countries. Crime is up, murder is down, unemployment is a magic, fictional number... Yeah. The US lives in a post-truth society where nobody knows and nobody cares to know anymore. Nothing is really real and "facts" are up to each and every one to make up for himself. Everybody carries their own set of beliefs, religiosity, conspiracies, hey... Pick your own reality. Its no more real than anyone elses reality.
And murder statistics... If a person is found dead in the woods or behind a dumpster. The only real part of CSI is that police are very good at determining how long a person has been dead. If that murder happened 4 months back, so that it becomes last years murder. Do you think they will add that to last years murder statistics? Hell no. Because its last year. So will it be added to THIS years murder statistics? ALSO hell, no... Because its last years murder. This happens daily.
You simply would not believe how cowboy amateurish the US is operated. Especially when its about police. Every single big business and corporation operates in the grey-zone, in constant violation of rules, regulation, taxes, and a number of other things. Which makes that American economy so "magic"
We learn that the police is our friend, not our enemy. Maybe this makes a difference. I have only good experience with the police. Not only in Norway, but also in Germany and the Netherlands. In Germany I once lost my way in Hamburg. I saw a police car, - stopt and asked for direction. They told me to follow them and escorted me out of the city. They were just wonderful!
We ran out of petrol in Germany and the boarder police went and brought us some , so kind and laughed when I told them we were on our honeymoon.
I tend to agree having met both Danish and american police up close. (Don't ask american cops for directions home if you are a drunk tourist!!)
-That being said... I litterally don't have any good experiences with danish police. They were never there when I needed them... and when I didn''t need them they allways try to escalate things and make a big deal out of nothing...
I would go one step further and say that it´s not just something we learn. I happen to know that a lot of the police training in Norway is particularly about downscaling a situation instead of escalating it. And if I may say so - watching some documentary cops series from here, I think they´re awesome at it! I could not keep my cool in that way, handling those obnoxious drunkards on a normal friday night... But yeah - be nice, get treated nice. That´s pretty much all there is to it.
Police is here to supress violence in usa they are the violence that the bigg difrence and here in norway we educate the police so they can do coreckt most the time🎉
Living in Norway and having an abusive ex, I have met both good and bad police officers. Most of them took me seriously and were kind though. 😊
But the biggest reason the crimerate is far lower in the Nordics is because our countries spend a lot on taking care of the people. There are real safetynets. People don't have to resort to crime just to survive, as quite a few people in the US has to do.
If the US would spend less on giving corporations and billionaires taxcuts, and instead used that money on creating a country where childcare was affordable, where people didn't have to accrue hundreds of thousands in student debt just to get a job that pays more than minimum wage, where health care didn't cause bankrupsies. I can list more, but you get the gist.
When peoples needs are met, they don't become criminals.
Very well written, and perfectly on point. Norway still got its big flaws in the system, specially when it comes to poor people and families, and those who’s been pushed outside the society for whatever reason. But all though Norway is a tiny country compared to the US, if America had the same fundamental rights and principles as Norway I know most Americans lives would change radically for the better.
The Norwegian police uses de-escalation as a policy, hence the "laidback" attitude. I've seen them handeling agressive addicts (alcohol/drugs) just by beeing friendly and laidback. The suspect is brought under control in a calm manner, arrested and taken away. On the other hand, if the suspect crosses the line and becomes a real threat, I've also seen the police denting the lid of the patrol car with the suspects face as they man handle and cuff the suspect. I have never felt threatened or unsafe in any interaction I've ever had with the Norwegian police, but I sure ain't picking a fight with a Norwegian police officer.
I have been in a fight with a fresh out cop, but i was dumb and let my self get provoked and some shitt... if u are nice the police are nice, but if u akt crazy shitt happends and i paid for mine ...
@@emini_freyre_luna I like your response. You are clearly reasonable, as the police also should be. They do make mistakes though. Hopefully not bad ones, though it has happened and will.
Problem with the Norwegian police is that the time before they Come most the time is to late this is a bigg problem manny time if you call for help you Just get sorry we have none to send and the criminals in 80% of the time walk free so bragging is ok but but reallerty is another Norwegian police is only ok in sitties Greatings from Åndalsnes Norway
Tore! 😁
I worked a lot of years in several Norwegian prisons. As a teacher. Not all of them are like Halden and Bastøy. Those are the two that the most of the documentaries talk about. We have other prisons that are FAR less "luxurious". :)
Bastøy is a whole different prison than most, you are on the end of your sentence before you can apply there, while Halden is the most modern prison we got so ofcourse its different than most of the other prisons we have. I have not been in prison myself but have friends who have and yeah I know its alot more difference there, from what type of food you where getting (dinners for example could be Fjordlands food that in itself could be considered a punishment).
My dad was on bastøy
Yes, but at least we've never had cases were inmates are eaten alive by thousands of bugs in a filthy cell like last week in the US state of Georgia.
@@jrnsteen8136 Weird flex lol
@@BergenDev its not a flex. I was there visiting. Its a nice place
A thing that's forgotten is that a huge part of their education is psychology, this also means that the need of guns are less. also, to be accepted the recruitment prosess has strengt tests, but more important t psychological testings that sort out bad apples, something that makes the officer's less "trigger happy". Another thing is that every time that they are forced to take out their guns, they need to file a huge report on why they did it.
Do note though that becoming a police officer and a prison officer are two different bachelors where the prison officers have a larger focus on psychology while the police officers have a larger focus on law, though obviously there is some overlap.
Yes, a big point for Norwegian police is de-escalating conflicts, not intensify them by screaming and waving weapons. The officers are usually not giving each other "wardrobe points" by how much they scared the public that day.
To be fair, I believe one of the reasons America has a higher crime rate is due to how the justice system works. Norway (like the other Scandinavian countries) put a lot of emphasis on rehabilitation. If you go to jail in Norway, your life isn't "over" in the same way that it is in USA.
In the USA, if you go to jail, you're essentially labeled as a criminal for life and will have a hard time doing anything else. People will always do their best to survive and feed their family. If they can't do that through a job, they will do it through crime. So essentially, since society as a whole has no interest in rehabilitating them nor forgiving them, they're stuck in a spiral of crime. Once they get released, they'll just fall right back into crime.
In Norway, the prison system works really hard on rehabilitating you. Teaching you important skills, trying to mimic life, and prepare you for life after prison. In the end, it leads to a very low recidivism rate.
If the USA started treating prisoners as humans and help rehabilitate prisoners, they wouldn't have as much crime and could thus spend some of the money to educate their police force more.
In America, the prison system is run for profit. Not for justice. They just want as many prisoners as possible, it's what they get paid for. There's no incentive in actually helping prisoners then. The more people commit crimes, the more they get paid.
People could end up dead in American prisons, even though they are doing time for just a minor offense!
Oh I am delighted that you touched this subject. Norwegian police have excellent people skills.
It's fascinating that so much in USA is ruled by the thought "we can't do anything about it, it's too complicated, so we're not even going to try".
It's really goes against the American self image, "anything is possible", yet I constantly hear from basically all Americans, "it can't be done, it's impossible, it can work in other countries but not US, cause we are so special" constantly, about EVERYTHING, all kinds of societal changes, from small to big. It's frustrating to hear, year after year, decade after decade.
This is the self-imposed burden of being the most powerful country. The inability to imagine anything can be learned from others. All great powers in history suffer from arrogance and it's partially why they eventually all fall down.
Something that is never mentioned is that cops in America seem to be very overweight people from late 20s to mid 40s. And in Scandinavia ive yet to see an overweight cop. The average cop in Denmark would be 21-26 and look like the guys from Top Gun. They're always fit, and these videos where 3 US cops can't catch a thief that falls over a few times is not something i think could happen here.. If you can outrun a danish cop then you're quite amazing..
There are a few connections on society and crime that escapes the grasp of most Americans.
the biggest one is the social services. Providing everyone with enough to survive, prevents them having to sort to crime for surviving.
This also include unemployment benefits.
The prison system in the USA is private, in Norway it is run by the state....A prison should never be run by a private section... More prisoners, more money😳 in the USA it is only 3 months (more or less) to become police, and much of it is shooting practice. You need a gun law in place, the police won't be afraid of being shot every time....and there will be less crime🤟
They have gun laws in place., If they decide to have people not own guns, then the honest people will be unarmed, while the criminals, ( and those that dont trust the police), all still have guns.
A new law about guns wont change anything for the better,. it will just get more people killed.
As someone volunteering a lot with Red Cross, the police not being armed is a huge advantage to us, Red Cross has a policy of not co-operating with armed forces, and when they're armed they're considered armed forces. So when they're not, we can team up with them on search and rescue operations if there is a chance that the person we're searching for might be dangerous. Same with the ambulance, if the patient is acting out, we can't bring an officer with us if the police are armed.
Police in Norway doesn't usually carry guns, but when they do arm themselves, they tend to be armed quite heavily with machine guns. You don't mess around with Norwegian armed police.
The funny police debate in Norway now is whether officers should accept people giving them the middle finger is within the freedom of expression, like in free speech, or if it's a punishable offence and obstruction against public servants doing their job. From time to time we also debate whether calling a police officer a horses c**k is a compliment or a punishable offence. The answer might depend on geography as "colorful" language is more of an accepted part of the language in the north.
This is the only difference that pop up in my mind, regarding the law in different zones. I've heard that the police will react differently in the South if they're called out as horse c**ks. In the North it is all cool. It's a part of the northern culture.
USA police students are getting in average 21 weeks of training, mostly in various types of use of force. They are not trained in deescalation. It's lots of corruption in the police force and it's hard to fight because of the Blue Code of Silence. You are saying that the police have to be visible because it's so much crime in USA, so they are everywhere. If that was helpful, why is it so much crime?
It's not that Norwegian police are angels. We have our rotten apples too. But in USA you don't even try to change the systematic corruption, brutality and murders, it seems. It's like you think it will go away if you pretend not to see it. You even said that your police have to be brutal savages because of your high crime rates. It's like teaching a kid not to punch someone by punching them.
Or maybe you live in a bubble and are really ignorant about your police force... just asking... USA police are internationally infamous for their brutality.
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To be fair... it could be hard to change on the one side alone, and thats the sad truth about it since we have had this system like almost forever but we see that crimes go more and more violent when police arm themself for example .. we have seen that happen in sweden and other countries where police went from unarmed to armed... once one side armed themself the other side did the same. Also lets say they in the US did try to make a nicer policeforce ... how would the public react ? would they take advantage of it ? We see for example in California where shoplifting more or less are legal as long as you steal for less than X-amount of value... because police will not prosecute you for this... and stores now tell their employees not to interfer if they come across this to avoid their employees getting hurt.
But I am sure that their policeforce for sure could need better education, like in areas to deescalate situations.
But I know also of norwegian police that after many years working can become well they can sound like they have become racists and such, not that they are because I know they are not ... Not long ago we had cases where police where accused of profiling especially black and foreign looking people... and sure they sometimes do it wrong but lets face it ... they probably have been so long in their job they have seen things we in the public are lucky not to.
and for their overweight!
US police? It's five fat middle aged men on top of a skinny youngster - that how I see it.
Scandinavian police? It's young(er), super fit, polite - and not scared of people.
@@arcticblue248 but as long as you can go to Walmart and buy a gun without license then you have the society that you ask for. In Sweden you have to register at the policeoffice. And you have to show your ID and be 18 years old. Yes, and you need a good reson why you want or need a gun or reifle.
Hi tyler, i love your videos and i am amazed at how much content you are able to create only based on Norway while still makeing it exsiting / interesting to watch. 😊
Dude he doesnt understand the first thing about this. He is not prepared this video at all. He is just reading off things he found on the net. Things he doesnt understand. What are you even talking about.
@@captain_context9991 Chill out, man. I'm pretty sure most of us are just here to watch him go "wow so great and awesome!" at everything. At least, that's why _I_ watch these videos.
Whoever wrote that article doesn't understand the system at all.. It is NOT the few crimes, and generally "more relaxed criminals" that make police behave different.. It is social conditioning by culture-shaping.. Amongst other ways ALSO through the policing following the system they DO.. that CREATES the less crime and less aggressive criminals. Of course HAVING a functioning Well-fare ALSO help because people are never abandoned by society and HAVE to find their OWN way to get hold of food.. money.. entertainment.. etc.. they KNOW they at least will SURVIVE either wawy.. but yes.. It is your entire climate as created by people who hold on to ideals that are based on being afraid and protecting oneself, and judging people, and talk about what people "deserve" or not when it comes to prison-reform, wellfare, etc.. THAT is what CREATES American criminals the way they are... Just as the Norwegian police force are PART of why the criminals in Norway act the way they do.. It is not that the police become what the criminals make them, it's the other way around. You don't treat criminals "The way they deserve", you treat them the way that WORKS.. vindictiveness and anger just isn't helpful to ANYONE.
It's called "De-escalation".. Unlike American police who think that the IMPORTANT thing they HAVE to do is to look at the SMALLEST hint of trouble.. abnd then ESCALATE because they HAVE to COMPLETELY dominate other people at all turns... Guess how p people will react to THAT behaviour?..
The Norwegian police is educated in law during the course of their training so they know what they can and can't do out in the field. Their "powers" are not limitless, but they ARE limitless within the law. Also, there are times when all of the national police force is armed on a daily basis. This could be if there are certain threats like suspicions of terror acts and such. Besides that, it's not a problem for them to unlock their weapons in their cars if needed. They just need to call their superior and get the approval depending on the situation. In most cases, they will try to de-escalate situations where people have guns.
On a side note.. my father was a police officer in Oslo for many, many years, and also had two tours as an international police officer during the war in former Yugoslavia. So I'm kind of born and raised into this. 🙂
As a Norwegian I am SO happy about our police. Makes me feel safe to see them interact with patrons outside pubs and bars. In Norway police don't seem to be "on the hunt" for criminals when they're out and about, they're there to interact and show their presence and be minutes away when you actually call them (they're already in their cars or standing next to them interacting with the public). In America however, poor areas (higher crime rates) are patrolled A LOT more than rich ones, so much so that sometimes response times in rich areas can be at times completely atrocious. And poor people are needlessly harassed because American law enforcement are "on the hunt" when they patrol. In Norway the police will be where people are having a good time, interacting with people and making their presence visible, so that the good times go on. I think this makes people in Norway not really notice police that often, because its not registered in our brains that we see police when they're walking by while eating ice-cream or a bunch of kids are petting the police-horse. I rarely see Norwegian police make themselves seen like American police.
EDIT: To explain better how police is less visible in Norway, is that its simply so non-threatening and natural that your brain never records it. Whereas in America I bet its burnt into your memory almost every single time you see police because they are sort of like tame lions "that won't eat you if you don't do crime".
..Greetings from Sweden... ya about same here... something we all should be proud of i belive.. Norway doing a greate job...
Sometimes they eat you even when you don't do crime (i.e. guy in Las Vegas died in police custody for the crime of riding his bike without a safety light, which they made up so they could stop and search him).
Greatings from Denmark... same, same... 😄
Iceland and Finland, come in ... where are you?
@@michinwaygook3684 thats just terrible, sadly enugh not to surpricing...have heard many simillar stories... its a bit harder today with mobile phones and body cams to get away with, but it seems to happend with alarming freq in US anyway... especially claims the suspect/victim has used some sort of weapond or excessive force to justify excessive force...
Population in US to Norway is huge! NY CITY alone has as many people as Norway so.... If you don't live here YOU have no clue what they all do thats good. But hey you know it all cause you saw some SENSATIONAL stories pushed everyday. You can comment when you lived in a good part of the country with little crime. Then go live in the cities. Complain when they don't show up to protect you so....please walk in a bad neighborhood in Chicago.
Concerning American prisons, a good number of them are privatised, so it actually doesn’t come down to the government as much as we think. The way Norway approaches not only crime, presence, prison and the inner workings, like a unified police force, and the rigorous training they go through all establishes the difference between America and Norway, if you want a polarising view.
This is also coming from an Australian, so I have no incentive to side towards either one. My opinion is from a spectator angle
Pretty much the same here in Denmark, but you have to be 21 years to start police Education, so in the years before you are 21 you collect points for example be in the army. work with people ect, something that has relevans for working as a policeofficer. and there is also a test in strengt/fitness and in common knowledge. This test is hard and people train and study to pas the test. The police here are Well respected by the everyday person and its a Dream job for many and its hard to get into the Education.
Sincerly a dane.
I am a norwegian I do reapect them for their proffesional attitude. I do not hesitate to argue my point of view should we disagree, they listen and we reach a compromise if possible. This happened during covid lockdown. We disagreed on how to understand the rules. The policewoman I argued with contactrd her boss, my understanding was the right one, case closed. Both happy and learned something.
It’s weird how Americans keep pointing out how Norway is smaller and thinking that it will affect the differences. Yes, we have less people, but that means there are also less people who can become police officers. We have less crime, but that’s not because of a smaller population. We have less crime PER CAPITA.
It should also be mentioned that getting into the police academy to take your bachelors is probably the hardest program to get into. While medical school and law school gets progressively harder, the police academy is just hard right off the bat. You need amazing grades, extra points(given by electives or other higher education classes), so some people actually take a year in law school to get the points they need to get into the police academy.
but they also hire people that do it US style....
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Well. I'd disagree to some degree. Getting in to lawschool or med school (as I did) requires purely straight A's now a days. And then it still get's harder if you ask me 😂Year 6 exas in uni in med school should come with a psych-perscription imho. But of course, you do need above average grades to get into the few uni programs to become a police officer. Plus, I think I would already fail at the mile-run or pull-up ex or whatever else there is as a physical obstacle to get in.
@@stine7144 I don’t remember what I needed to get into law school, but it was fairly easy. Both law school and med school are hard, but as far as I know they only require good grades. All 6s /As and extra classes is impressive, but you can take up classes, get points from other classes and stuff. Police academy has all that and more tests. I am happy about it, because I am extremely happy to live in a country were I trust the police and I believe in the law, to some extent, I did go to law school after all, it’s definitely has some grey areas, but mostly good.
Police prosecutors are used for smaller things, while the statsadvokat and especially riksadvokat deal with bigger things. The riksadvokat is kinda like if you cut the prosecutorial duties off the AG.
I like how Tyler objects to having a highly effective and fully educated police force that are specialised in fighting crime and would prefer less well trained and therefore less competent police on the street en masse armed at all times.
He didnt OBJECT to it, all he said was that the US has the need for a much larger number of officers, which might become difficult to dulldill if they increase the ammount/level of training required
The risk as a police officer in the USA is not as great as many assume, for example it is far less dangerous than being a taxi driver for example
The risk is far less than that of being a fisherman but the risk of workplace fatality is similar to that of a construction worker, heavy vehicle mechanic, or maintenance worker
norway has a split defense system, The police force stands for the protection of civilians, and laws, as well as keeping the millitary in check, i.e the military has to follow all civil laws (apart from war time, but thats a different story) but the military has its own police force, that mostly keeps military law on military ground and helps keep the military in check aswell, but also is aveiable to support civil police at any time, and in theory have the same powers that the civil police does (if not more) but they dont use it outside of national emergencies as well, people wouldn't be too happy about it for obvious reasons. the military also has Heim vernet, "home land defense" essentially a national guard, their role is to protect national interest, personell, (military and emergency) as well as land. and ofcourse the boarders. Heim vernet is made up of mandotory service members (norway has mandatory service of 19 months from the age of 19-44) and they can be deployed anytime to help the civil forces with national disasters etc aswell as boarder control. during covid soldiers from the local HV regions helped the boarder control police force with check points etc.
so the police protects civlians, laws and keeps the military in check, whilst the military protects civilians, personell, land and keeps the police in check. also the king is the upmost leader of the military and all members are sworn to him and fatherland. meaning that if he was to go against the will of the state. i.e we are getting invaded, the goverments wants to surrender, but the king says no. we fight for our king. this has actually happened in WW2 too which is a cool story. in theory the king has all power during wartime while the goverment gets most of the power during peace time.
And regarding norwegian police not being as visible as in the US... That is simply because there's not enough police officers around to do that. It is definitely a priority for them to run patrols and be visible, but as with alot of other work places in Norway, there's just not enough funding for the police for them to be that present.
I'd also say that when you see police walking by in Norway, while they're eating ice-cream, our brains don't really register that we "saw police". Its so non-threatening and natural that the police are only really visible to anyone on the run from the law or considering crime at the time.
First you have to understand that University studies is free, and one altso get a grant if one get accepeted for that study!
Another thing to know is that there are less weapons, one is not allowed to cary loaded guns in public spaces, thats a crime!
One cant buy guns for home protection, one need licens for.. hunting or sport shoting !
And to get a hunting rifle/shotgun one have go thru a hunting licens course to learn about hunting laws, weapon laws and make it possible that one have a hunting area to hunt in!
To get a sporting gun licens.. one have to be a member of a sport shoting club for years!
And for those officers kild in duty.. for what I understand many died by knifes, when they tryed to solve som disturbance that escalated out of there imagination?
Those police prosecutors.. they have the same in Denmark.. its for minor crimes like trafic violations?
However I think those prosecutors got some extra courses in laws and prosecutors behavior!
Police prosecutors are lawyers, same education as the ones defending a criminal
In America, there tends to be a lack of concern for the individual. The attitude is more revenge-oriented. The strict line is: do as we say or face the consequences. This becomes a power given to you after a too short period of training. The law influences the attitude of the population, and the population reflects the attitude towards the law. If everyone is treated as a threat, it is quite logical that one also perceives the police as a threat and acts accordingly. And they have firearms.
Scandinavian police and legal systems prioritize the consideration of the individual. By showing understanding or willingness to engage with criminals, treating them as human beings, one also receives understanding and willingness in return. The offenders are given hope and a reason to turn their lives around, with the intention of making positive changes. And then we respect the law.
I don't think the USA needing alot of police officers is an argument that the training shouldn't be more extensive. Teachers and nurses both have bachelor's degrees right? Well, the US has ALOT more teachers and nurses than police officers. Additionally, maybe fewer, but better trained officers could contribute to less crime?
Finnish police go through about the same amount of training as norwegian police (3 years/~4000-4500 hours)
In Finland officers do carry a firearm at all times when out on patrol, but they very very rarely need to use it, on average they use it about 10 times a year (not 10 times per officer), or in 80 out of 1000 responses where some form of force is used.
I think the main issue with the police education in the US is that there is not enough focus on teaching them how to de-escalate situations, I've seen so many instances of american cops doing the exact opposite and escalating situation for no valid reason whatsoever. It also seems like a lot of police officers in the US have very lackluster knowledge of the very laws they are supposed to enforce
Not everything is great with Norwegian police either. We've had a few big cases of miscarriage of justice recently (justismord). People have spent years in prison for crimes they did not commit, or at least where they had insufficient evidence to convict them.
Police also assist CPS (barnevernet), which have been convicted in European Court of Human Rights for taking kids from their parents without proper evidence of mistreatment. They could probably have stepped in to prevent that.
But of course this is very common in the US too, sadly, and I think maybe some Norwegian cops learn from the horrible policing procedures they see there, and on American TV shows.
What about the F. Thursday!
Here in Denmark ive only seen the police twice in 10 years. Once in 2013 and then again at the border from Sweden to Denmark in 2019.
Don’t know much about the Norwegian policeforce but i do know that in Denmark it takes 2 years and 4 months to qualify as a policeofficer. The education is split between theory at the police academy and practical service at a policestation as a member of the local policeforce.
Isn’t it about 6 months in the US?
Maybe Norway is doing something right if their police officers don´t need to carry guns. Me, myself, is Swedish and neighbour to Norway and I am impressed with what the norwegians have achived when it comes to crime and rahabilitating criminals. Norway has the lowest rate in the world when it comes to relapse in crime after serving a sentence. So...maybe Norwy is doing something right...?
02:48 This is the first I have heard of the police being employed by the same police force, it might well be true, for all I know, but you do have police districts in each county's larger cities and areas.
And I'm also pretty sure each of these police stations have to do the hiring of police officers or workers if needed. But I can imagine that there's only one police academy and organization/team in charge of the training of new police officers, and that all potential employees in the police force will have had to first graduate from that police academy to be eligible for work.
03:42 If I'm not misunderstanding this here, it is basically saying that, unlike the USA, we don't have things like NCIS, CSI, SWAT, Sherrif, and all those other kinds of policing agencies, and this would be true. I do know that we have a Special Forces in the Police, but they aren't a separate agency, and they don't really get much notice as far as I am aware.
Just like every other large company. If a company with offices in Oslo, Bergen and Trondheim need new employees in Bergen, it is the office in Bergen that will do the hiring, not Oslo nor Trondheim. If Vest politidistrikt need new employees, it is they who hire. But you are still employed by Politiet. In the US, police is organized in a different way. The city can have their own police, the subway can have their own, the airport. The county will have their own, the state will have their own and then you have 65 of different federal police agencies. 15000 to 18000 different agencies. And they are all separate like they are different companies, not connected to each other in any way.
When it comes to firearms pr capita. USA sort of breaks the scale a bit. But I recall Norway was 11th (In the world) at one point. We have gone down in the rankings since then. But it can still be surprisingly high to some.
Yes, Norway have surprisingly high gun ownership compared to how rarely weapons are used criminally. But I think more weapons are owned by fewer people and by far most of it is not hand guns for protection, which is extremely rare, but hunting rifles. Also, private persons don't own semi-automatic rifles. Norway has strict rules how the rifles should be transported and locked inside specially approved cabinets and away from kids. Owners very rarely have guns on them or in their cars.
In Norway 1,329 million guns on 5,4 million people. Mostly weapons for hunting and sports like biathlon etc. And very strict gunlaws.
@@hemmper Back in the 80s I think it was, you could buy a 'civilian' AG-3 (Slightly modified H&K G-3 assault rifle, built under license in Norway) that was semi-auto. They even had ads for it on the back of comic books such as Beetle Bailey, the Phantom and Agent X9. I believe most of them went to competitive shooters, though.
I think the key is to envisage policies that ensures social and economical decent security for all. This lowers i.e the crime rate, powerty and social tensions. The benefits are shown in the statistics you mention. Some people blame social policies for bureaucracy, inefficiency and more. Fair redistribution costs money period and on the other side: Think of the cost of social unrest and uncertainty? Bureaucracy is an acceptable price to pay in my view.
We expect our police officers to be good examples and representatives of the law and are thus held to a higher standard. A police officer being equally or more violent than the person they are arresting just come off as hypocrite and just lead to more sympathy for the criminal than respect for the officer even if the criminal were in the wrong. The duty of the police is to protect the citizens, and a criminal is still a citizen, so the police officer must practice self-restraint and deescalate instead of being forceful and contributing to the escalation of the situation. Considering all of this it's only natural that police work require an university degree.
Also the courses studied during those three years by Norwegian police officers isn't limited to jurisprudence and weapon's training, much of it overlap with the studies taken by professional health care workers.
FYI, the prosecutors don't normally have regular police education. Their basically lawyers, but then hired by the prosecution that is under the justice Dep, and Police directorate. Also, PST does not nessesary pick out their officers from the academy, but from specialized uni degrees, computer tech, religion, former journalists, etc. But everyone must have at least master degree or bachelor's degree. Some also get picked out from the military intelligence services after several years in the military. Also, PST is closer to MI5 than FBI and only focus on radicalization, terrorism and preventing terror, and can often over-rule the police if they feel it's necessary. KRIPOS is closer to FBI and is called in to investigate the real hard cases and often have a higher mandate during the investigation. So it's a simplified version of the Norwegian Police. The larger police districts also have their own intelligence units, anti gang task forces, cyber crime, humint handlers, etc. Also, we do have our Delta/Swat units that can kick in doors when needed. In the night times, the police are very present outside the night clubs and bars, but yes, it can go weeks or even months between seeing a patrol on a normal daytime.
As a Norwegian indigenous POC, being LGBTQ+, I've only had good experiences with our police. And I live in Oslo. In comparison security guards are far worse, as many didn't get to become a cop, so they play on at the local mall instead, tho it's harder even becoming a security guard in Norway than to become a cop in the US. If out and about and the police has to check you, they always ask in a polite manner. Never have I ever been afraid or felt mistreated in any shape or form. And it's rare for us (POC and LGBTQ) to feel safe. I'm also extremely grateful for the Norwegian government, and police to take hate crime against minorities like me very seriously, as it's not safe here for someone like me. Of course not from the state, but regular people, as we do face a lot of hate crime, being beaten up, discriminated against, assaulted, mocked, and in general mistreatment due to ignorance, and fear thanks to prejudice rooted in religious dogmas, and patriarchy!
In America every police station, every Sheriffs office, State police, Highway patrol, every single one of Americas 18 000 different precincts, runs their own show with their own rules. Which is complete chaos.
The prosecutors is a special branch of the police. They don't send cops who patrol the street into court unless they're witnesses. That branch is a bunch of lawyers who work for the police.
Most of the places you see police officers in the US, like banks or malls, we use civilian security with no legal exceptions when it comes to the use of force. It's basically someone with some limited training in deescalating situations.
I bet the US training to become a police officer is more comparable to that of security guards her in the Nordics, than to that of our police officers! 🤣
I never thought thought about that, but yeah, we have exponentially more murders on fiction than in real life. Most murders here have at least three documentaries and five books, but even taking away those, we have a lot of crime writers for having maybe 20-30 murders a year.
I love your videoes.
Im a Norwegian🇳🇴
You should react to old Norwegian commericals
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No, they don't *have* to be, they choose to be because of their training and traditions and due to the tendency towards preferring people with experience from the army...
One problem is that rise in population density in affect centralized areas in asymmetric ways.
E.g. central bus stations in a high density city can have all kinds of unsavory characters passing through, while in a small town there might not even be an unsavory character in the entire town.
Interestingly the curriculum in the US typically is things like criminal law, defensive tactics, firearms training, and emergency vehicle operation.
In Norway it is a wider range of subjects, including law, ethics, human rights, conflict resolution, and community policing.
Imagine the difference in mindset between the two populations of police officers
Another difference would be in Norway judges, police chiefs and prosecutors aren't elected. They are more likely appointments by the government
Just be careful when reading cause it did say that the point of friction of not having a separate police & prosecution can actually result in things going the wrong way, and true enough, I feel sometimes police may be too involved and therefore less partial, wanting to believe in the result of the investigation. An impartial person may be able to give fresh eyes and find holes in a case and help avoid having the wrong person in custody.
Remember we have been a small country for a while and that we usually trust our governing systems, including the police. In later years, probably driven by people with different cultures (whether it is legitimate or not), that trust has declined. It is also affected by the US protest against police brutality despite it not actually being that prominent in Norway. Someone might yell at me for that, but in general, police are very proper here, and I have friends from different cultures that agree on this.
In Canada, we've lost since 1960 around 150 police officiers ILOD...which is too mucha, but not alot compared to the USA
Police aren't acting as lawyers. The example at 5.58 gives examples of what we're -not- doing in the police force. As it says: "assumed by other services", including court.
there are 1 police procecuter, or police lawyer for every district, if they want to search a house or something they have to call the prosecutor first
By “at all times”, they meant “at any time”
7:04 The main problem with becoming a police officer in the USA is that the training is completely unfit for purpose. In most cases its only a 12-30 week (depending on the state) training, and most of that training is focused on physical exercises and weapon training, not on psychology and de-escalation as it should be.
14:54 And might be too low actually. In 2021 19,200 murders where committed in the USA which equals a ration of 6.3 murders per 100,000 inhabitants. This high murder rate per capita is a direct result of the lack of US gun regulation - according to US crime statistics more than 90 % of all murders in the USA are committed with guns, and in contrast to what NRA supporters will tell you the real statistics show that 79 % of all murders are committed with guns that where bought legally, not illegal weapons.
15:39 That's another issue in the USA. Why did you say "to stun the criminal"? It's not a criminal, it's a suspect. Percieving and treating people as criminals that haven't been convicted of any crime yet is not ok under any circumstances.
18:12 That's not the point. It's not about time, they simply lack the training and the necessary skills. Police training in the USA is primarily focused on phyiscal confrontation, be it armed or unarmed. That is not the case in countries like Norway; their police officers are trained in these skill as well of course, however it is only a small part of their training, and their education is focused on how to calm down a situation before it comes to physical confrontations. In short: Employing violence is a last resourt when everything else failed, not the go-to method as it is in the USA.
A country with deathsentences is so 1800 . in Norway we evloved a lot the last 70 years and still not finished
You can say almost the same thing about the Danish police, there are 2 differences: The Danish police do carry guns and Danish police is not university educated. But police function in a prosicutorial role like in Norway.
Being a police in Europe is a university degree. it's 3,5 -4,5 years of education and training.
My uncle took me to the cell where they placed drunk people back in the days. It was a bare bones room with a drainage as the most prominent feature. I can't remember if there was anything else in there, apart from the stone walls. But that was decades ago. Suffice to say, I have tried to not get too drunk ever since, just in case!
2:12 Yest there are no states, no different laws, just one police, but not every city has a police station, so one station for several cities is not uncommon here. But helicopters are at certain bases. So in east Norway they come from Oslo, same with air ambulance.
But of course there are different branches, Spesialenheten for politisaker = internarial affairs, PST(Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste) which means The police's Security Service which is like FBI, they do surveillance and anti terror, organised crime, catch spies and so on, there is Delta, which sounds like the english word, that's basically Norway's answer to Swat. But regular police has those helmets and bullet proof vests, they can put on a second west and they have in the car, and have a gun safe so they get the guns out if needed, but they need to notify about taking the guns out
I spent 15 months in the Norwegian military as a liasion with the Norwegian police. Believe me, they can shoot very well if they have to. It's just a different mindset. Dunno how else to expain it.
If the US invested more in training their policeofficers you very likely would have less crime.
Why do you think Norway has such a good situation? Because of how their police and prison system works.
They work hard to rehabilitate criminals.
In the US police officers are brutal, they kill innocent people because they are not trained in deescallating situations, and at the first sign they believe they see they start firing their guns. Not just one shot, they shoot 5-6 rounds without even knowing if they are even engaging the right person.
There is an argument to be made that the fact that police is that visible and prevalent in the US makes crime more likely to happen. Especially when a lot of people don't feel safe with police around. They get forced into a fight or flight situation, and some will choose to fight, which results in so many murders. Doesn't help that police in the US are basically military, with all the hand-me-downs from the actual military. As a Norwegian, seeing videos of police driving tanks is just horrifying.
Unfortunatly it way too much guns in the US. Less guns less crime.
I love to learn about Norway from you
you realy should see this one : Norwegian Police Funniest Arrest Ever. see how proffesional the police act under arrest of a real mean drunk. (its funny)
As a Norwegian, when I went to New York I was so surprised to see police cars and officers at every block. Felt like I was under surveillance
I love the police in i have in Norway they have so muts respect. Come to Norway an you can see. And you can ask the police how the working conditions are.
I do like the scandinavian police systems... but sometimes we are too nice to criminals that don't deserve it. We also need harsher punishments such as more time spent in prison. Life in sweden is like.... 20 years?? If you killed someone that is not enough
Norway also has the lowest recidivism rate in the world. I think, I’m not sure maybe Finland or Iceland might score higher but I’m not sure
Strange that did not talk about Beredskapstroppen (English: Emergency Unit),[2] callsign "Delta", that is the force that is the same as swat in USA
they are based in Oslo Police District
In the little town i live, a cop killed a woman by throwing her off a big bridge.
She did not die in the same second she landed.
So he did not end up in prison, because as the cops and the justice system said: He did not kill her, he just left her in a helpless condition.
But he did get a punishment, he was forced to get a re-education.. This is just some few years ago by the way.
When it comes to corruption, we truly are among the very best. 🙂
And one more thing with the nordic police force they are allowed to drive in to the neighbor country same is going for fire and ambulance they are all one big force in one way. and 1 to 2 times a year they are training with each other.
Those who try idealize Norwegian police should read today's Dagbladet. I cannot breath... Does this remind you of something?
Do a show like this about Sweden..
First of all... ONLY America calls them a FORCE. Most other countries think that word is way too offensive. They call it a service. Youknow... As in. Protect and serve.
Must be the mass amount of police shooting fatalities which make them so unique out here
15 years ago the police did not have weapons in their cars and in the 90s there were mostly ethnic Norwegians in the prisons. A lot has changed in the last 25 years. 1/3 of the inmates do not even have a place of residence in Norway. There are now fewer than 1/3 of ethnic Norwegians in prisons.
uni comes after high school in Norway
Every time I’ve been in USA, there’s always been at least 2 people having been stopped by police on the street. In my whole life I’ve only ever seen this once in Norway, and I live in the city
Police in Norway, can operate in Sweden, when needed. They need to inform the Swedich police, about what is going on. You can not drive like a mad man into Sweden, and get away.
Same policesystem in Denmark.
13:58 If there is a terror threat police will be armed, even with machine guns and machine pistols and tactical helmets might be seen too.
19:10 Yeah, I recently saw a Reddit thread by an American asking "how do I get put in a Norwegian Jail?" and it was all about this guy wanting to figure out how he could go to Norway and commit some kind of crime that would be just enough serious that he'd be imprisoned, and was asking whether he'd be deported or not for being an American with no real ties to Norway other than the crime having been committed in Norway xD
Not recommended as you could get a criminal record in many countries, including the US, not just in Norway. And subsequently be denied access as a tourist also later. And it can be hard to predict the length of your stay. One or two nights might be "interesting", several weeks or months not so much.
@@hemmper There were people that commented how committing a crime in Norway as a foreigner - like as an American - would also come with a high risk of being transferred back to their homeland to serve their prison time. The only way to get out of that would be to commit a crime that would result in a death sentence in their home country, as Norway will not send someone to their homeland if the result of doing so would be the person's life. Prisons in Norway are basically like hotel rooms with three meals a day included, ability to get education, various licenses, and work courses all through the prison system. It's like that to help inmates in increasing their chances of getting a job once released, so that they don't end up being released only to not be able to support themselves and end up on the streets.
dont worry about about ii
problem in the usa is the gun law. not everyone was allowed to have weapons to only have a pistol or a shotgun not to be allowed to buy more. then crime had dropped by 60%. and then I wouldn't have needed so much police !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????????????
As long as criminal Norwegians of the worst kind were armed with slingshots or blowpipes using peas as ammunition, then Norwegian police had no particular need for firearms. A stern look and a warning that their mother would be told off for bad behavior were supposedly enough of a deterrent.
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It like countys distics
If I didn't already live in Norway, I would wan't to move here😂
I think less police officers who are more educated and highly trained would be preferable to more police officers that are inadequately trained or educated. Stopping crime isn't generally found at the end of a gun, contrary to what many Americans think. For instance one of the most dangerous situations a police officer can respond to is a domestic violence call and their most important skillset in diffusing a potentially violent situation is good people skills. In Canada and the United States our police officers lack the necessary skills and knowledge to perform their job well. It is to important a job to be left to idiots.
Norway doesn’t have a “police force”, we have a police service. There’s a huge difference.
I have a friend here in Norway whos working in security. I would say they are better trained than american police men.