Glad it was helpful. I don't think it has changed much, but I do have several GD courses I did for Autodesk on their page including a section on GD Fluids if you are looking for more content. www.autodesk.com/learn/ondemand/course/fusion360-generative-design-manufacturing-applications-expert
Interesting video and very well done. What's the best sort of use case then for this type of gen design? Will it always create a single path? I'd love it if they could make it branch and optimise cooling of a shape but respect specific inputs such as minimum path size/cross section etc.
Good question! The automated modeling right now seems to just look at line of sight and then refine from there minimalizing the design. That is mainly why I said it probably isn't good as a starting shape for GD fluid. GD Fluid won't really branch outside of that shape as much as GD Structural will. There is cooling simulation but its electronic cooling and doesn't really account for CFD. I am hoping one day CFD will be in Fusion but for right now we have Thermal problems with conduction and convection and radiation but without moving fluid around the designs. I do love the idea of some basic inputs for Automated Modeling like minimum cross section. Maybe one day!
Hi mate, new sub here but really great video and You've certainly earnt it. I just thought I'd add that I'd love to see another video based around the idea of post processing an automated model for machining in mind. With the work I've done it seems quite easy to get some great results that can easily be 3d printed (and I love that it comes with the base subscription and can be computed offline), but both generative and automated lend themselves heavily to additive particularly SLS, SLA & DLP, and I need more examples (from people like You who know how to use fusion360 so well), of post processing automated modelling for subtractive in mind. Honestly anything involving post processing automated models will suffice though, I'll listen to You talk about that for Hours :D Cheers
Thanks for the Sub! So interesting timing as I was just having this discussion the other day about that being the missing link with things like Generative Design. The outcome is great but manipulating the form body takes wizard skills. Be assured this is on my radar. I will see if I can cover it sooner than later. With Machining in mind, do you have any particular restrictions you are looking at? 3-axis from Z+/Z- for example(because holding these complex parts......) I know with Gen Design, the 2x cutting will spit out a sketch and extrude. I believe 2.5x will as well depending on machining directions. Obviously Automated Modeling isn't there.
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign You absolute legend. Couldn't agree more, and since there's nowhere else to go other than fusion360 (for now), I just need to learn more about editing and constructing form bodies, mesh's, and surface modelling, and anything else I'm forgetting. But I'm just loving the simplicity of automated design. Did not know that about generative design, very interesting. I'll take a look. I am however almost always just 3 axis milling, I definitely think the priority for me would be refining the holding of these complex components, during multi operation milling jobs, for example, I was thinking about the process of making custom fixtures based on surface modelling a negative around appropriate areas, and creating a body from that, and even then FDM printing them (I've milled aluminium held by 3D printed fixtures with no problem, and that was before I was printing carbon fibre reinforced nylon) but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways of approaching the larger issue at hand, Would love to see some ideas from You! Thanks for the reply! :)
Yeah in Generative Design when you set up a manufacturing method you have Unrestricted, Additive(basically unrestrictive but with some feature size and overhang options), 2.5, 3 and 5x. with 2.5 and 3x you also can set which machining orientation you want, or all 6 as well as a min tool diameter and holder/spindle size(diameter not HP). With 2x cutting your preserve geometry has to be the same height and in the same plate but you get a sketch/extrude out of it. Then there is casting with draft angles and pull, but it needs a little work and still a preview i think. Yeah fixturing is a tough one on these complex parts. I will give it some thought. If you have any example parts you can email me support@caducator.com. I don't think making soft jaws for these complex parts is reasonable. I would probably overdesign some of the preserve geometry and use a fixture plate but it is so hard to say without knowing the part.
thanks for your vids, really pleasant to watch and i learn something evry time, you said that generative design is free to use but in my personal edition i didn't have access to it, is there a trick?
Thanks wared! So Generative Design Fluid is free to solve right now, but I do believe only Commercial and EDU license types have access to it. I think anything that requires cloud credits to solve(simulation for example) is not available in the Hobby/Personal license. I think that is also true for preview features like the Automated Modeling sadly. You do still get loads of great tools like some forms, mesh and design tools, but miss out in other areas. It is not always clear to me what is and isn't included in the hobby/personal license. www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/personal This lists CAE(computer aided engineering) as only in the commercial/edu version and Gen Design falls into that bucket.
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign got it thanks, obviously this software is insane i don't blame autodesk for their decision, still got a lot to learn with what i have now
Yes and no. Gen Design Fluid flow is looking at a flow path with essentially the least resistance. You set a pressure or flow on the inlet and basically 0psi on the outlet. While it can do multiple inlets you might find out that it is not what you are looking for. All that is just flow path though. There is currently no mechanism in place to account for thermal transfer. While you can do some thermal simulations in Fusion, there is no CFD so you wouldn't be able to evaluate the cooling with flow. Only what would happen if say you had a block with water at X temp.
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Thank you for this tutorial! Way better than Autodesk's Generative Fluids tutorial on their TH-cam page
Glad it was helpful. I don't think it has changed much, but I do have several GD courses I did for Autodesk on their page including a section on GD Fluids if you are looking for more content.
www.autodesk.com/learn/ondemand/course/fusion360-generative-design-manufacturing-applications-expert
Interesting video and very well done. What's the best sort of use case then for this type of gen design? Will it always create a single path? I'd love it if they could make it branch and optimise cooling of a shape but respect specific inputs such as minimum path size/cross section etc.
Good question! The automated modeling right now seems to just look at line of sight and then refine from there minimalizing the design. That is mainly why I said it probably isn't good as a starting shape for GD fluid. GD Fluid won't really branch outside of that shape as much as GD Structural will.
There is cooling simulation but its electronic cooling and doesn't really account for CFD. I am hoping one day CFD will be in Fusion but for right now we have Thermal problems with conduction and convection and radiation but without moving fluid around the designs.
I do love the idea of some basic inputs for Automated Modeling like minimum cross section. Maybe one day!
Hi mate, new sub here but really great video and You've certainly earnt it. I just thought I'd add that I'd love to see another video based around the idea of post processing an automated model for machining in mind. With the work I've done it seems quite easy to get some great results that can easily be 3d printed (and I love that it comes with the base subscription and can be computed offline), but both generative and automated lend themselves heavily to additive particularly SLS, SLA & DLP, and I need more examples (from people like You who know how to use fusion360 so well), of post processing automated modelling for subtractive in mind.
Honestly anything involving post processing automated models will suffice though, I'll listen to You talk about that for Hours :D
Cheers
Thanks for the Sub! So interesting timing as I was just having this discussion the other day about that being the missing link with things like Generative Design. The outcome is great but manipulating the form body takes wizard skills. Be assured this is on my radar. I will see if I can cover it sooner than later.
With Machining in mind, do you have any particular restrictions you are looking at? 3-axis from Z+/Z- for example(because holding these complex parts......) I know with Gen Design, the 2x cutting will spit out a sketch and extrude. I believe 2.5x will as well depending on machining directions. Obviously Automated Modeling isn't there.
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign You absolute legend.
Couldn't agree more, and since there's nowhere else to go other than fusion360 (for now), I just need to learn more about editing and constructing form bodies, mesh's, and surface modelling, and anything else I'm forgetting. But I'm just loving the simplicity of automated design.
Did not know that about generative design, very interesting. I'll take a look.
I am however almost always just 3 axis milling,
I definitely think the priority for me would be refining the holding of these complex components, during multi operation milling jobs, for example, I was thinking about the process of making custom fixtures based on surface modelling a negative around appropriate areas, and creating a body from that, and even then FDM printing them (I've milled aluminium held by 3D printed fixtures with no problem, and that was before I was printing carbon fibre reinforced nylon)
but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways of approaching the larger issue at hand, Would love to see some ideas from You!
Thanks for the reply! :)
Yeah in Generative Design when you set up a manufacturing method you have Unrestricted, Additive(basically unrestrictive but with some feature size and overhang options), 2.5, 3 and 5x. with 2.5 and 3x you also can set which machining orientation you want, or all 6 as well as a min tool diameter and holder/spindle size(diameter not HP). With 2x cutting your preserve geometry has to be the same height and in the same plate but you get a sketch/extrude out of it. Then there is casting with draft angles and pull, but it needs a little work and still a preview i think.
Yeah fixturing is a tough one on these complex parts. I will give it some thought. If you have any example parts you can email me support@caducator.com. I don't think making soft jaws for these complex parts is reasonable. I would probably overdesign some of the preserve geometry and use a fixture plate but it is so hard to say without knowing the part.
thanks for your vids, really pleasant to watch and i learn something evry time, you said that generative design is free to use but in my personal edition i didn't have access to it, is there a trick?
Thanks wared! So Generative Design Fluid is free to solve right now, but I do believe only Commercial and EDU license types have access to it. I think anything that requires cloud credits to solve(simulation for example) is not available in the Hobby/Personal license. I think that is also true for preview features like the Automated Modeling sadly. You do still get loads of great tools like some forms, mesh and design tools, but miss out in other areas. It is not always clear to me what is and isn't included in the hobby/personal license. www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/personal
This lists CAE(computer aided engineering) as only in the commercial/edu version and Gen Design falls into that bucket.
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign got it thanks, obviously this software is insane i don't blame autodesk for their decision, still got a lot to learn with what i have now
Is it possible to generative design a watercooling block?
Yes and no. Gen Design Fluid flow is looking at a flow path with essentially the least resistance. You set a pressure or flow on the inlet and basically 0psi on the outlet. While it can do multiple inlets you might find out that it is not what you are looking for.
All that is just flow path though. There is currently no mechanism in place to account for thermal transfer. While you can do some thermal simulations in Fusion, there is no CFD so you wouldn't be able to evaluate the cooling with flow. Only what would happen if say you had a block with water at X temp.