Shannen Doherty answering a question about a Charmed reunion including Alyssa Milano Megacon 2024

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  • @lesambriz6879
    @lesambriz6879 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    So beautiful and powerful to see them supporting each other in that room surrounded by their fans.

  • @sana5762
    @sana5762 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    I love how Holly was about to stand but waited for Rose to complete what she had to say. I am very happy that Shannen is surrounded by poeple who genuinely love and respect her. I wish Alyssa could let go and just apologize for whatever Shannen is holding onto. And let all the pain and bitterness go once and for all.

    • @Alexavian
      @Alexavian 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      She did apologize

    • @joelybgood
      @joelybgood 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Alyssa has apologized on more than one occasion. She's even admitted it on tv that she accepted responsibility for her role in what happened. I find it funny you said "I wish Alyssa could let go" when it's actually the fans that won't let this go. They've all moved on. It's the fans who want some kind of closure and explanation. She's given it. Now Shannen has given hers. Let the chips fall from here on out.

    • @maryjomichele
      @maryjomichele 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Omfg let it go!

    • @jinramones6339
      @jinramones6339 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This IS getting ridículous... Enogh with the Drama... Alyssa said she admited her rol in this feud and she apologyses for... Shannen's no angel eigther...so ok she was out of Charmed... Why she didn't said anything back then?. And Holly... How come after working with alyssa in Greys anatomy and claim the were Friends not BEST friend but Friends now allá this.. on the other hand Rose... Alyssa IS not responsable for what happened yo you

    • @mikephoenix25
      @mikephoenix25 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👏👏👏👏👌 ​@@jinramones6339

  • @nickculton4938
    @nickculton4938 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    So glad that she made this statement and that Rose and Holly backed her in love and support completely.❤❤❤❤ The real power of three.

  • @Wolffen51
    @Wolffen51 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    I love how all three of them are supportive of each other throughout this.

    • @CamCam-mq6ji
      @CamCam-mq6ji 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      *the power of three ✨

  • @rogueryder3285
    @rogueryder3285 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I love these women so much. Stay strong. The was the true Power of Three in my opinion

  • @GaPeach1980
    @GaPeach1980 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    While Shannen was talking Holly almost broke down. You could see it in her face. Knowing that her sister has and is fighting cancer is unimaginably heartbreaking. So glad they are there behind the scenes supporting Shannen! This is beautiful to see.

    • @maryjomichele
      @maryjomichele 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Um.. they weren’t talking for a lot of time

  • @MrParodyMovies
    @MrParodyMovies 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    good for her. everyone deserves the truth

  • @santanicopandemos938
    @santanicopandemos938 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I think her circumstances have unleashed her " if Im leaving, I am not doing so with lies, secrets, regrets, etc" attitude and more when it comes to narratives and more when it is forced by others out of speculation/gossip/greed or even herself out of self preservation/shame/fear of judgement. What is there to lose now??!! That Charmed reunion may not happen except in fanfics or other mediums...but at least she has her truth 💯👍🏼

    • @GaPeach1980
      @GaPeach1980 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Absolutely and it is closure for us die hards who are still fans of Prue to this day!

  • @jcb8858
    @jcb8858 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I`ll admit Piper and Prue were my favorite with Paige being so so and I disliked Phoebe. But what i find telling her is that all the actor have (for YEARS) supported each other projects and done panels together EXCEPT Alyssa. And the two out spoken Actor who did not work together both had problems with her???? People can say history repeats but 90210 co-stars have also spoken out in her defiance and supported her, has Aylssa`s? I agree with what most say all three were probably toxic and Alyssa played it the best and won, but!!! If she would of kept her mouth shut now this all would of disappeared without much notice. (Plus don`t cry when you also used it in your own book.)

  • @Dee-no3sn
    @Dee-no3sn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Alyssa needs to just make amends with Shannen and call it a day. The woman is dying and living her remainder days is peace and dispelling the lies about her. Holly and even Rose who replaced Shannen both side with her and even Brian Kause apologized to Holly since he was dating Alyssa when Shannen was fired. Does she really want this woman to die without making amends? No matter how you slice it, Alyssa played a big role in getting Shannen fired indirectly by threatening management with an ultimatum to do so. The best seasons were the ones with Shannen. Season 7 when Drew Fuller joined the cast as Chris was good along with the two part series finale in Season 8. Holly was the glue that held the show together after Shannen was fired. I couldn't watch the show if it was only Alyssa so I understand why the studios refused to let Holly leave the show when she wanted to quit when Shannen was fired. The show would have been canceled.

    • @Wolffen51
      @Wolffen51 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I also found it interesting that Alyssa continues to deny that she was the person who was trying to get Shannen fired, but a producer had said it was her…and that producer was Jonathan Levin

    • @pellier08
      @pellier08 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Actually it's Shannen who keeps talking about it in her podcast using her cancer to blame others. She was fired from many shows and nobody wanted to work with her

    • @katherina8949
      @katherina8949 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​​@@pellier08 In fact, Danielle Harrys, the actress who played Aviva in the first season, said that Shannen was very unpleasant to her during the filming of the episode, which made her feel very uncomfortable. She said that the atmosphere on the set was really hard, which is why he did not want to work on the series again.

    • @EastSide-qc5oy
      @EastSide-qc5oy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@Wolffen51 Jason Priestley said Shannen was planning to get Alyssa fired. He wrote about it in his memoir. Shannen was not innocent in all this.

    • @Wolffen51
      @Wolffen51 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@EastSide-qc5oy I never said she was, it wasnt my intention to say that she was if thats how it appeared then Im sorry...it wasnt my intention to say that Shannen is innocent

  • @jamesthe3rd259
    @jamesthe3rd259 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    This was powerful. I dont understand why everyone keeps saying they should just move on. Thats what they were intending to do when it was discussed on the podcast. How is this any different from putting it a book? Shannen had been lying to her fans for decades. They couldnt understand why she abandoned her beloved character. She wanted to be honest. And the fact that Alyssa was dismissive of what was said just shows she is the same person she was back then, despite her healing and having moved on. Shannen is dying. If Alyssa cant set aside a bit of her pride to be honest and apologize, she really hasnt changed.

  • @brianherrera9260
    @brianherrera9260 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love these women so much. They are so brave. Rose, Shannen and Holly ❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @BoulevardeTV
    @BoulevardeTV 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Imagine a movie where phoebe dies and gives her life for prue to come back

    • @eyesofthebeast
      @eyesofthebeast 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      or one where Cole returns and turns Phoebe evil again, but this time they call forward Prue to assist and reestablish the power of three.

    • @miagrass
      @miagrass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@eyesofthebeast your idea is great but impossible to do Cole will never return but the person above will work and it will beautiful I can see it now just beautiful if the movie is done correctly

    • @eyesofthebeast
      @eyesofthebeast 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cole already did return. In season 7 when he dropped off drake. @@miagrass

    • @miagrass
      @miagrass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eyesofthebeast yes that was his final ep he will never returned cole moved on

    • @randocommando6355
      @randocommando6355 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And that’s when the family stops. Without Phoebe this family sucks

  • @MartinWhatley-b6r
    @MartinWhatley-b6r 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Well I guess that was the reunion LoL 😂😂😂😂

  • @classyboy04
    @classyboy04 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So no reunion?

  • @Jionni_Pryce
    @Jionni_Pryce 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    They could bring back Prue in exchange for phoebe. I wouldn’t be mad about it like at all.

  • @DominickG84
    @DominickG84 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Still love the show as much now as u did then. Team Piper all day😊

    • @JjJimerson
      @JjJimerson 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      💚☮️

  • @devojka3721
    @devojka3721 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I want Prue Piper and Paige together in a movie without Phoebe🙏🏻

    • @eyesofthebeast
      @eyesofthebeast 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Honestly, I want them all back. This time around an alternate timeline Phoebe can be the villain, one where Cole got his way.

    • @ItsToanLam
      @ItsToanLam 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@eyesofthebeast They could green screen/stunt double like Star Wars did. They don't have to be in the same room with Alyssa.

    • @miagrass
      @miagrass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@ItsToanLam no I can tell you a kid this is the older generation they can actually act what I mean is they can put their differences to the side for the money bc bills has to be paid if you don't believe me check out s3 Alyssa and Shannen didn't get along off screen but on screen their chemistry is great still believe me here another Alyssa and Holly on the doctor show Grey something they don't fuck with each other like that but their chemistry were like nothing didn't happen it was the best acting I ever saw.

  • @prenda2086
    @prenda2086 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    The fact it’s been over 20 years and none are still able to accept they all had part in it lol
    Look at the facts and it’s impossible that Shannen and holy didn’t have a part in it as much as Alyssa did

    • @jackkolero
      @jackkolero 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      They never denied this. If you read what they’re saying beyond this video, Holly and Shannen said none were angels in what happened including themselves. 🙄 And that the producers were the puppetmasters behind it all. Do your research.

    • @prenda2086
      @prenda2086 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@jackkolero Shannen literally said she has trauma from someone (Alyssa) who wanted to be from and center. While I’m not denied both the trauma and Alyssa’s behavior Shannen did the same
      I don’t take either side

    • @EastSide-qc5oy
      @EastSide-qc5oy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@jackkolero Baloney this is all a “blame alyssa” tour. They’re really despicable actually.

    • @jackkolero
      @jackkolero 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@EastSide-qc5oy they have been doing this press con together before the Alyssa issue was brought up again. Keep dreaming with your delulus.

    • @EastSide-qc5oy
      @EastSide-qc5oy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jackkolero This is a fan convention, not a press convention. And yes they’ve done cons before but this one is clearly different with them taking it all to social media and hashing it all out like high school morons.

  • @theredbutterfly-
    @theredbutterfly- 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I lost my favorite tv character because of Alyssa Milano 🤬

    • @robertrogers074
      @robertrogers074 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can still love the character just not the actor.

  • @dee6090
    @dee6090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I am just all confused by all of this. This is why I felt that Shannon should have had this convo with Alyssa on her pod cast instead of Holly. I always said I feel they need to all sit down and have a conversation because there is truth to what all is saying including Alyssa. Also I’m confused bc I thought that Alyssa and Holy was on good terms and I thought Shannon and Alyssa made amends. I just expected a lot more from all the girls and I hope this can all be squashed before Shannon takes her final bow. F the fans do it for all or your peace of minds

    • @johnnyhoward269
      @johnnyhoward269 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I think the problem with that is that Alyssa is trying to paint herself as the victim and the other 3 knew better. We now understand why Rose said she didn't like Alyssa during the whole Me, Too movement.

    • @mykoniichistorychannel
      @mykoniichistorychannel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You could be on good terms with someone, like Holly seemingly is, and still tell the truth as you see it. They’re not mutually exclusive.

  • @jayt4835
    @jayt4835 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Alyssa has said many kind and apologetic things at this point. Openly saying she wishes she’d behaved better. Rose thinks everyone is bad. Holly has had her own issues with all of the other women. Shannen, who we all hope can win this fight for her life, has a very well documented history of being difficult. There’s this narrative now - buoyed by people’s unwillingness to push back at someone who is sick - that Alyssa is some type of monster. She isn’t the one CONSTANTLY talking about something that happened 25 years ago. She couldn’t fire Shannen. She didn’t get Shannen fired from 90210 either. They were all young women with a certain amount of immaturity and ego. They seem to want Milano to hold a press conference where she kisses their feet and claims they’re all perfect and she’s a super villain. It’s weird. It’s over. Move on.

  • @CamCam-mq6ji
    @CamCam-mq6ji 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The only reunion we need is one with Shannen Doherty, Holly Marie Combs, Rose McGowan and Lori Rom as Phoebe.
    That's it.

  • @MakuraZalis
    @MakuraZalis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Its wild to think about how Alyssa did this just to become to the 2nd main star. She did this just for Holly to become number 1

  • @apolloson6
    @apolloson6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wow . ❤

  • @yubeda-k6k-s2r
    @yubeda-k6k-s2r 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I hope i reincarnate into an alternate universe where alyssa was fired and replaced by rose.

    • @miagrass
      @miagrass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

  • @joysmall
    @joysmall 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Just because Shannon makes a statement doesn't mean she's the truth teller of all of the events that took place. This is her version of her view. She's not trying to take any accountability for anything. She is saying that all that caused her to leave Charmed was someone else's fault. That just isn't true, no matter who's sitting next to her when she says it.
    Alyssa apologized for her part. Shannon hasn't. Its enough already! This was 25 years ago.

  • @leosilva7525
    @leosilva7525 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I wonder I Phoebe had been written off instead of Prue what it would be Paige's powers.
    Any guess? Let's start that game!

    • @melplays90
      @melplays90 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Probably still be whitelighter esque seeing as how she was birthed from patty and Sam. She wouldn't have premonitions ... well saying that there may be some element of phoebe's powers in her but not to the full extent of her powers.

    • @VMarieJx3
      @VMarieJx3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well… because of the prophecy, it would have to be premonitions.

  • @philippasheppard9277
    @philippasheppard9277 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If Lori Rom stick to the the program as Phoebe or a different actress to play that part Shannon ‘s character wouldn’t off left and the actresses wouldn’t off had any problems.

  • @MrVladinci
    @MrVladinci 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It’s not about them, it’s oblivious about Shannen Doherty, she just needs to be in center of any attention, she is the one who sit in the middle she is the one who talks she is the one who is always lead role, and if someone else becomes more popular ( even without any great powers) by choice of people she becomes angry and put that in the air… Why her husband divorce her in the middle of her fight? ( in that cases however marriage is bad no one leaves anyone ) Did she left 90210 because of fights with someone there? I really love her, but girl that was 23 years ago, forget and forgive her, look with eyes of love and work on something that all world will love to see “ Charmed movie” 🥰

  • @jaymesEo6
    @jaymesEo6 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I don't believe anyone is as innocent as they appear. Alyssa and Shannen both were probably tit for tat but I think Alyssa "won" and reveled in it.

    • @callibanpatrich1290
      @callibanpatrich1290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      none of them ever revealed what their feud was based on. i feel like it started as a classic feud between two coworkers based on competitiveness or other irrelevant reasons. Holy decided to support Shannon in this feud and they both disliked Alyssa. the truth is that hate for someone/something specific is what unites people. hence, this hate was transmitted to Rose as well. and now they all just hate Alyssa without naming any specific reasons. this kind of situations happen in all workplaces where people exist. it's just nothing new. in my opinion, it's a lil bit childish to talk about this to this day since it happened decades ago.

    • @mykoniichistorychannel
      @mykoniichistorychannel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@callibanpatrich1290Holly and Shannen laid out their issues very clearly in that podcast, and Alyssa’s antics. Rose also made her feelings clear about working with her, so this narrative you have is wild.

  • @Harouliss
    @Harouliss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    To be fair Alyssa Milano didn’t respond the way we wanted her to respond but she’s right for one thing “ That a quarter of a century has passed “ And also she already said in a passed interview that she takes responsibility for the tension between them and I think she didn’t want to address it again .

    • @mykoniichistorychannel
      @mykoniichistorychannel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think to be fair to Shannen, she’s not saying it to hurt Alyssa, but if she’s on her way out, she wants to clear her name, and that’s stayed over her for 20 some odd years, and she has the right to.

  • @Jionni_Pryce
    @Jionni_Pryce 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    They truly are sisters 🥲❤ I love them. I hope we get a reboot with just them 3 like we don’t need Alyssa. If they want the power of 4 just bring Billie back. We don’t need Alyssa.

  • @ThisGuysAnimation
    @ThisGuysAnimation 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love all four of them but at the end of the day all of what all of them have said is hearsay and we need other people speaking in on this not them because they changed their stories so much that it's hard to keep up

  • @MrBibi86
    @MrBibi86 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    *Alyssa was a monster... plz don't think of her as Pheobe because she is not*

  • @drockherb2073
    @drockherb2073 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Well I hope this helps her heal then 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @5432-j1c
    @5432-j1c 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Say what u want I hate this everything about it 💔

  • @pinogabr
    @pinogabr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Charmed Ones.

  • @EastSide-qc5oy
    @EastSide-qc5oy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    All three of them look terrible here. Not only in appearance but in personality. This is a terrible look for all of them. And I don’t believe Shannen’s innocent “traumatized” talk. Jason Priestley said Shannen was planning to get Alyssa fired. He wrote about it in his memoir. Shannen was not innocent in all this and no amount of fake tears will convince me of it. I think they all contributed to the toxicity including Holly.

    • @seramertoglu4455
      @seramertoglu4455 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are such an annoying person!...

  • @mickeyguy236
    @mickeyguy236 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I recommend you read jason priestley book. You’ll get some answers from it

  • @WickedJeyR
    @WickedJeyR 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What’s crazy is Alyssa stands behind the Me Too movement, which allows victims to speak their truths and seek justice, no matter how much time has passed since their trauma happened. Granted, Me Too is for more severe accusations, but the point is still relevant. Shannen is hurt and has been hurting for, as Alyssa called it “almost a quarter of a century” and is finally addressing it. However, due to her response, it sounds like Alyssa doesn’t want to help heal Shannen’s wounds that she caused. It’s easier to say the toxicity was so long ago, the girls should just move on, and that she’s just sad the fans are going to have a new perspective on her and the show. Deflecting isn’t helping her save face at all. Had she just admitted her wrongdoing and apologized publicly, all of this could’ve been put to bed and Shannen could finally release the weight of the trauma she’s been holding onto and solely focus on fighting her battle against her disease. I pray all the girls find closure and peace, they all deserve it.

  • @ThisGuysAnimation
    @ThisGuysAnimation 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Oh and this title is bullshit it's misleading

  • @476chrisb
    @476chrisb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Big Charmed fan, I'm being honest, why is it just the girls talking? There were 3 men on the show. I'm sure they hear things...Being Honest why is Doherty sending her time talking a show that is 25 years old. I'm sorry; she had a reputation for being a problem, and this is what she will always be known as.

  • @NightOwl_30
    @NightOwl_30 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Alyssa ruined the show with her narcissism.

    • @KrisBryant99
      @KrisBryant99 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How when it revolved around mostly Doherty for three damn seasons?

  • @pellier08
    @pellier08 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I can't stand those 3 trouble makers. Not surprising they haven't aged well. Using her cancer to get pity and revenge is terrible.

    • @jaymesEo6
      @jaymesEo6 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      How do you know? I think all three downplay their involvement in the drama on set and Shannen taking part in the issues but I do believe Alyssa was fame hungry and used the other ladies unwillingness to play ball as her chance to be an opportunist and get ahead.

    • @pellier08
      @pellier08 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jaymesEo6 How do I know what?

    • @jaymesEo6
      @jaymesEo6 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@pellier08 3 out of 4 leads agree. You saying it's just all them is ridiculous. Alyssa admitted to it in flowery language back in 2021. 🙄

    • @maryjomichele
      @maryjomichele 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A funkg men. As a breast cancer survivor my number 1 task from my doctors, spiritual counselor, therapist was to let this petty stuff go, geez!

    • @pellier08
      @pellier08 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@maryjomichele I don't get the point of your comment. Seems like you didn't let go of petty things since you are taking part of this petty feud. Personally I am wary of people who have a spiritual counselor and a therapist.

  • @joseewesley197
    @joseewesley197 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Différents path for everybody botj understand point of view snd mobr on

  • @rayoflight6505
    @rayoflight6505 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Milano is a 🐍

  • @spatchmo6938
    @spatchmo6938 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I can't believe Alyssa Milano is basically looking like a saint to me at this point. The people being the cruelest are Shannen, Rose, and Holly. Alyssa's post on instagram was pretty much as neutral as possible while defending herself as it could be, and all of these "behind the scenes" people from Charmed have come out in support of Alyssa. There are no behind the scenes people that have come forward to defend Shannen

  • @cke5791
    @cke5791 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    She’s really sad. Using her cancer to promote a podcast. To get audience numbers by going clickbait. Gross.

    • @kingdomlwandle1148
      @kingdomlwandle1148 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      She's really pathetic for doing that.

    • @starsaligned2215
      @starsaligned2215 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Shut up, you’re twisted and sad for suggesting this BS lie. Alyssa fans show their true colors by how horribly they behave

    • @starsaligned2215
      @starsaligned2215 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kingdomlwandle1148you are the pathetic one sweetie

    • @jackkolero
      @jackkolero 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Goodbye. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    • @pretendamnesia
      @pretendamnesia 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Shes not using cancer. You Milano fans are absolutely vile. Karma awaits you people.

  • @elles.4488
    @elles.4488 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hv loved charmed since day 1. Shannen, Holly & Rose are all on the same page. I believe Shannen. Seems like Alyssa is not really sorry abt her actions. Obviously Alyssa lied abt hvg the power to get rid of Shannen. This is why they don't like her.
    If you hv self confidence you don't need to compete with others to be no 1. Alyssa being the culprit is responsible for the whole mess!
    It's Shannen's podcast. Like it or not she has a right to talk abt her trauma from the show. Her career never recovered. She needs time to overcome it. Talk abt a reunion with the four of them is impossible given the situation.