NGL, I swear Henry as a villain was far more intimidating than Vanny ever was. I love how he was created a response to the colour brothers theory. As a kid, always headcannoned Shadow Bonnie or Freddy as Pink Guy/Henry’s spirit the same way Afton became Springtrap. On a side note though, this may be an extreme hot take, but I would’ve preferred it if Dave still remained evil by the end of the good ending however you could feel pity towards him. I love Dave as a comedic character, but I do think his redemption felt forced. Perhaps by Dsaf 3 he could’ve moved on from Henry and became his own antagonist.
Honestly William and jack had a every toxic relationship. It feels like Jack when loosing his soul latched onto the first person who was nice to him David and completely forgot about D until the next game.
I love DSaF because all the characters are complete a-holes and DirectDoggo just really leaned into it and did not even try to justify them. It's a really good study on how to write bad guy protagonists by subverting with humour. I read the Steven scene as ironic/ sarcastic. The one character that might actually be redeemable- heck, no way. He is TOO much. Dave's backstory was purposefully so over the top and drawn out it too, feels like a bit. Like a poke at how fans write the most tragic backstory to condone the most hindeous villians. Dave was still a villian. Just a completely unaware one. (I love Dave, don't get me wrong.) BlackJack is such an interesting take on id verses ego in such a dumb game I can't even.
can 100% agree. alot of the time "complex" backstories feel way to corny, trying to justify inexcusable actions with 'uwu so sad' buzz words, and doggo taking advantage of it and almost mocking it (whether intentionally or not) is something i absolutely love.
Honestly i wouldn’t really call Dave’s backstory drawn out considering how little it was touched on to begin with within the games. It felt like the last game was an attempt to get all the lore out and without it we wouldn’t have known the true nature of Henry and Dave’s relationship with how much GLAZING Dave did Agreed with the backstory to excuse a villain’s actions tho. Villain’s with tragic backstories are cool but that backstory shouldn’t EXCUSE their actions, just EXPLAIN them.
@@re-blitz I think that's intentional? The backstory didn't really matter for Dave, after all he was in the flipside for the whole games, and we just see the worst part of him. If the story was touched on more in previous games, it wouldn't be as mocking with how it was handled in the third one. The whole ordeal is like "oh no, I'm the good part of the heartless murderer! And I have such tragic backstory! Pity me!"
No, that's not it at all. The thing is, Dave can be redeemed, he *couldve* been a good person, he definitely wasn't, but that wasn't entirely his fault to begin with. He was *lobotomized*, manipulated, desperate, lonely, he had no purpose until Henry gave him purpose, and he believed Henry because he was the only person he'd ever met that actually tolerated him. By the time we meet him, the damage had already been done. He clearly knows that killing children is wrong, but he doesn't feel regret because he was basically trained not to. He only feels regret when he's forced to confront his fears. And even then, he has a hard time fully processing it because he's been *literally lobotomized*.
The Dayshift series' characterizations kinda wash the mainline series purely by. Well. Having characterization. Dayshift 3 gets quite a lot of focus from the fandom on that front (for good reason, especially everything to do with the Phone Guys), but Dayshift 2 gets glossed over. Even though Doggo clearly improved between games, God DAMN is there some compelling writing for its characters.
the main reason Jack trusts flipside Dave is exactly because of him existing separate from meatflesh Dave, at this point Jack thought his soul was outright destroyed when he died and revived, so he likely assumed that Dave must've been telling the truth about why/how he was in the flipside, as his soul couldn't exist otherwise (in Jack's likely logic) also, unless im forgetting a few lines, Jack doesn't learn that Dave killed Dee until 3's evil ending, where Jack near instantly betrays Dave after learning it, so Jack isn't forgiving Dave for that during the flipside, he just doesn't know
Jack is shown in various flashbacks spying on Dave and Henry and was working at Freddy's when Dee was taken, so he knew the two were working together. Dsaf 3 was when Dave fessed up to it, but Jack knew more than he let on- as alluded to in Dsaf 2. As for the whole 'good soul' thing. That's what the game says, but it never says when Dave split from his body. He seemed to be in it during Dee's death as he mentions it like he was totally there, not like he was watching at a distance.
I do feel like a lot of Jack excusing Dave’s behaviour was because of his feelings for him. And I feel like this is reflected when the player loves Dave we tend to go along with every terrible idea Dave comes up with. Even if you want to assume Jack isn’t being gay on main, Jack is just the Id (but he has seemed to start developing his own superego in 3) of course he is going to try to defend the man that gives him everything the Id craves.
Steven: does stuff that Jake knows he’s programmed to do Dave:murders hundreds of people ruined jacks like and killed his sister because someone told him it was ok to do Jack:HoW cOuLd StEvEn Do SuCh A tHiNg
I don’t think Jack telling Jake Dave's story was 'Sure, but Dave suffered more' so much as 'You're not a bad father, THIS is what a shitty father looks like' in an attempt to reassure Jake he isn’t a bad father for being in an accident and losing everything by being a phone guy, which was not his fault. Jake was dealt a shitty hand, Henry however could have made better choices. But he didn’t so fuck Henry.
Okay i actually got so railed up about this i got a headache so i need to counter argue to many of your points about Steven. Starting with something i see a lot of people not realize and is that yes, indeed, all endings ARE canon. This is pretty clearly explained by Henry in the secret tape (you get it from fishing it out the ballpit or from the dodo, both very annoying methods so i dont blame anyone from missing this) and it explains Jack's soul is one with time powers that will revert time based on regret. With this, we know not only EVERY ending and game over is canon but also something Jack remembers. Keeping this on mind, Jack's obvious bias towards Dave compared to Steven MAKES sense, because there's no timeline where Steven is nice unless he's doing it out of being forced to do so (owing you a favor). On top of that, there's another detail: Jack DID know about Dave's backstory! When he learned it is obviously not clear but there's to places where its implied he does, in fact, know about it: Dee's fight, obviously, and Jake's backstory. In Dee's fight she asks him for confirmation on whether this was true and he's like "yeah" meaning this isnt news for him, and in Jake's backstory he talks about this EVEN if he didnt go to the flipside or heard the tapes, meaning that at some point he had an honest heart to heart with Dave about his past and such. Now, relating it back to Steven: I feel that they cannot even be fucking compared. I think Steven would be better compared to the other two phone guys we see making a decision like this, those being Harry (ironically the one who made Steven) and Peter. I mean, Roger and Jake are also in the same situation, but they're just following what their boss says so they cannot be counted in. Peter for his part is an outlier, because he's the first Phone Guy we EVER see decide to not send someone to the factory (that being Jimbo), completely ignoring what this would mean for him (if anything, since we don't really know if there are consequences or not). Harry and Steven, obviously, did send their respective coworkers there, but there's a main difference: Steven was utterly remorseful about this while Harry kind of... thought genuinely this was a good idea? Which does say a lot about how Harry views himself but it also says something about Steven: that he's a fucking coward. Which we did, in fact, know, but this reinforces it. Steven made a choice by his own voalition, and i don't think this is even fair to compare with Dave. Dave was being abused and manipulated by his father figure and the only person who had ever been nice to him, the only person he thought he had in the world. He was regretful too but he really wanted to trust Henry because what did he have if he left? Steven on the other hand is not being "molly cuddled" by anyone but a manual. This isnt to say Steven isnt tragic, he is! He, like everyone else, is a complex and tragic character who did unfortunately go quite unexplored, but he's also a bad person because he chooses to be so. He'd have been like Peter, he'd have broken the cycle, he'd have done anything a man aware of the weight of his actions could do, but he didn't, because he was scared! Also i must point out this very cowardice also reflects on his own violence because to say he's not as bad as Peter is just plain bullshit. Peter was a bit more festive yes but he at least let you Pee On Slides and Gave You Warnings. Steven kicked me in the fucking springlocks because my puns were bad. That guy was brutal and cruel but also wouldnt dare to kick Jack's ass if he was out of that stupid cool cat suit. So, to wrap this up now that my blood pressure went to safe levels again: when you look at the whole picture Jack's feelings towards Dave and Steven are not entirely unjustified. The way that tangerine goes about doing anything at all is highly questionable though but he's like everyone else just a flawed individual. And that's what makes this franchise so compelling 👍
Honestly I agree with all of your points. And plus even if Jack did just not like Steven for the sake of it, I think it does kinda add to his character because even in the endings where he does many good things, at his core he's still kind of an asshole. A major asshole, and has streaks of pettiness. But in the end he did choose to save Steven which I think is what matters.
And Peter killed us with the springlocks in DSaF 2 just because we did a joke about Phone Guy and milk And Steven is generation 1 he is programmed to sent Peter into the Factory when Peter is generation 2,he has the choice but Steven and Harry don't
Steven:*Absolutely heinous acts that he was programmed to do, but before that he did cause Peter to go to the factory* Jack:"Youuuuu you can make a change" Steven:"Okay I'm good now"
Not exactly. First era wasn't wiped, because they didn't knew it will be a problem. Then they wiped all memory, and gradualy started getting chill on both AI and memory thing, so most regained theirs at some point. The last generation had memories, but they were threatened with what would happen to them if they ran away from the location.
7:47 this is so real, like steven most likely couldn't do anything else. and then idk how long after that this random jackass (pun indented) told him that this was his fault.
In my vision, Jack did the right thing declining Dave's offers in 1987, helped the Puppet free the souls of the children like he promised Fredbear, only for Phone Gut to frame him for the murders, resulting in Jack nearly being sent to prison, but then Dave sends Breadbear and Farfour to wreak havoc, resulting in the Real Fredbear to save Jack and defeat those monstrosities.
I agree that trying to redeem child murderers is almost always a terrible idea. But my take on Flipside Dave was that he was the part of William Afton that Henry cut out of his brain to make him more compliant, the way I like to think of it is that Dave Miller is the child murderer/best friend from the previous games that Henry brainwashed, William Afton was the orphan that died after meeting Henry. Also Jack is totally a psychopath/sociopath, no remorse, murdered kids, self-centered yada yada
That's kinda worse though. XD Jake went through a nightmarish scenario and all he needed was a little backup, but Jack's like, "Okay, I hear you, but Dave's had it way worse. Like, WAY worse. Lemme tell you-."
@@AudreyArnett-si3ss His evil laugh and terrifying stare full of malice, always leaves death and destruction in his path, he truly is the man behind the slaughter
Jack’s actions always fit into 1 of 3 categories: 1) Promise to Fredbear + wanting to save Dee/siblings (sibling era) 2) Because it’s funny, or off the wall bullshit (quirky era) 3) Because it’s DAVE/WILLIAM, we all love good old aubergine man, Davey. (Davesport era, aka, the most prominent and beloved era). Great video though!
Regarding Jack bringing up Dave's backstory after Jake explains his; the reason why he brought up Dave's backstory isn't because he was trying to say that Dave suffered more than him, but because he was trying to convince Jake that he wasn't a bad father. Jake hated himself for leaving his son when he finally found him and believed that he had failed as a parent. Jack brought up Dave's backstory to explain how Henry was a terrible father figure to Dave and manipulated him at every opportunity in order to convince Jake that he wasn't a bad parent, since Jake cared about his son and wanted him to have a good life. On a somewhat unrelated note, the way you described Dave's backstory is EXACTLY how I feel about Scourge from Warrior Cats. His backstory is so overblown and dramatic when the actual root of it is that he got bullied by his littermates for being small, which is just a school shooter backstory.
Ah, I remember the original version of this video. Although it's not perfect, the DSAF series is very special to me and holds an important place in my heart. I can remember the first time I played through the good route of DSAF 3 and for that it's very nostalgic to me. Anyways, congratulations on 100 essays! I've been around long enough to remember the text-to-speech voice... good riddance to that.
“Jacks a hypocrite” YEAH BUT FAN SERVICE I understand where people come from but DaveSport is the most popular dsaf ship. Ofc directdoggo will have Jack forgive Dave before Steven
I think with all timelines, they would be bonding over being the only walking corpses with "free will" (Phone Guys are always way more restricted) Jack may be hypocrite, but he isn't stupid. Anyone forced to spend time around someone else for years will form any bond, even if he hated Dave, he would latch onto "William(the good one) can be saved!" becase 1) it means Jack also isn't a lost cause and 2) he didn't waste so much time and nerves around this guy, to just left him there and risk more trouble
Decillionth! At Jack’s home, the Tangerine Man is lying down on his couch…doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! He then sits up. Pondering on what to do next since he’s now just ashes “I thought I’d be dead…ehh” he says in confusion, pondering how he isn’t dead, and then decides he doesn’t care, and then lies back down. Then suddenly (and randomly), Aubergine Man bust down the doors, carrying BlackJack Skellington Kennedy in his pants pocket. Both have their halos because they’re dead (LolBit). They’re supposed to stay in Heaven and cannot go back to the living world, but Aubergine Man’s excitement for something caused him to not care so much, so he was able to defy the laws of reality and go to the living world without permission. He’s extremely excited while Jack isn’t because reasons. “Yo” Tangerine Man says to them, welcoming them back, although he doesn't so much glance at them due to his boredom. “SPORTSY, SPORTSY!!!” Aubergine Man yelled in excitement. “Yeah, what is it?” Tangerine Man asks. “A new video coming out!” Aubergine Man asks, but it’s vague. The Tangerine Man looks at him with curiously “What video?” he asks, wanting a specific video Aubergine Man’s referring to. “A video by NotRealName NotAtAll’s” Aubergine Man answered. “What’s her name?” Tangerine Man asks because he has no idea why this TH-camr named themselves that, he doesn’t know who this TH-camr is, he thinks it’s probably BreadBear, the greatest mistake one of his counterparts from another timeline released. “It’s about us!” Aubergine Man answers. Tangerine Man’s eyes open…well you wouldn’t tell cause he’s just ash “Is it a Biography of us? This TH-camr didn’t get my permission, they should’ve at least asked me, did they ask you?” Tangerine Man says in slight annoyance in his voice. “Nope” Aubergine Man says smiling, not bothered by it because he knows this TH-camr will represent him well…expect for BlackJack cause…he’s an A-. “I WANT THAT VIDEO NOT BE MADE!” he yells in anger. “Too bad Aubergine Doggy, we’re all gonna watch it.” He says it assertively to BlackJack. Jack scoffs at him “You stinky.”. Tangerine Man wonders “How does this person know about us? Is it because I threw my own animatronic into the Grander Canyon when I had my own restaurant?” “No” Aubergine Man replied “It’s because she documented our life.” “How?” Tangerine Man asks another question for like the millionth time. “She played us.” Aubergine Man answered. Tangerine Man is creeped out by this, and was about to ask “Huuuuuhhhhh…explai-“ but Aubergine Man cuts him off “Faz Ent L.L.C made a virtual reality game detailing our life because a cat made video games supposably making up our lives, ‘exaggerating’ some parts.” “Ooookaayyyy?…how?” Tangerine Man is confused by all of this, how was his life documented by a cat. Well he would’ve asked if he hadn’t kept asking questions, so he stopped. “Soooo when will this video come out?…Wait, I told myself I would stop asking?…ehh” Tangerine Man says in irritation and then in boredom. “Four thirty pm” Aubergine Man answered “I set my alarm at Four twenty nine, so we’ll be the first to watch.” Aubergine Man informs. “Awesome!” Tangerine Man says “So for now, what do you want to do?” “GO TO VEGAS!!!” Aubergine Man says in excitement as if he was a kid wanting to go to Toys R Us. Tangerine Man sighs “Of course, Vegas, alright let’s go walk all the way to Vegas.” So they start walking all the way to Vegas, and afterwards, they stayed in a hotel to watch the video released by NotRealName NotAtAll. Tangerine Man still wonders what isn’t her real name, is it the name that I just said? Regardless, he decides to ignore it and watch the video, impressed and laughed at all the moments about him doing stupid stuff. After Tangerine Man finishes watching the video “I hate this.” “I too hate this.” Aubergine Man agreeing with Tangerine Man. “I AM NOT A HYPOCRITE!” Tangerine Man yelled, “Scott is an exception cause I hate him.” Tangerine Man says defending himself. “You can see why I wasn’t anticipating this.” BlackJack Skellington Kennedy says. The End Bois :) Hope you sort off liked it, I put so little effort into it.
Jack has never been quite right in the head. At the end of the day, he and Dave are very romantic coded, and it makes sense that Jack would advocate for him so strongly. Meanwhile, he and Steven have never gotten along, so him not wanting to save Steven is selfish and hypocritical, but you can see WHY he'd be reluctant to do so.
Although I agree that sympathetic Dave is a forced plot device, I don’t get why people are saying that he’s at fault for the child murder’s (the good Dave). He was initially VERY against the murder’s as seen by the tape’s and only did them because Henry told him that they were simply putting them into new immortal vessel’s, the robots. It’s only after Henry literally cutting out parts of Dave’s brain (which is what causes the split in the first place) that Dave, now lacking morality in the mortal world, is on board for killing killing kids, said killings that can no longer be pinned on Flipside Dave because they are now separate. I don’t know about other people, but I don’t think Dave before the split can be blamed either, b/c Henry’s Gaslighting (as seen by the tapes) is honestly insane.
One other thing to note is that Steven tried to warn Jack about the dangers of signing the contract, loved his fake robot kids, and can gibe jack a doggo if he helps him! Steven is pretty okay as a person but Jack portrays him as worse than a freaking child murderer!
I think Jack is perfect as he is, because lets be frank, thats the exact kind of person that would be a kiddi stranglr with Dave/Afton And the sob story is perfect for Afton because like. Look at him! An actual sad backstory would just be _jarring_ frankly.
Dayshift 3 is fascinating in how it handles being a sequel because it clashes and continues details from prior games. Namely, how the Evil Routes for 2 can end in Jack killing The Real Fredbear... But in 3, Davetrap claims to have killed him. My belief is that the 3 plot takes place in an alternate timeline. And that the reason Old Sport can have Undertale moments like in 2 - where doing An Ending and playing again changes dialogue - is tied to Blackjack's existence. Unlike Dave, who repossessed his own corpse, Jack's soul exists in the void between. Or rather, the Flipside. Now, considering the fact that burning a vessel doesn't destroy the soul in the Flipside - Davetrap burns, but Dave is unaffected - but allows them to be freed? I think Jack's hypocrisy makes sense if you look at it through the lens that he does the Dave/Evil endings first and THEN goes back to do the Good Endings. It explains his fixation on Dave, as well as his focus on "redeeming the irredeemable" being in part about himself. (I also think that the way to explain the Henry fusion in 3's evil end becoming a non factor is them becoming Godred, traveling to the Good timeline, and burning in the fire. Henry is booted out back into the void, then dies For Real when the Flipside part happens.) (Yes, I think Godred is Henry. This absurdly Eldritch, evil bear just so happens to be the same color? Come on.)
I cannot tell you how many nights I've stayed awake mourning the fact that steven and peter's conflict was never solved and left there to dry. Steven is my favourite character of the main cast solely because of the POTENTIAL that I saw in him, like, his guilt is and WOULD have made for SUCH A GOOD STORY TO UNCOVER. Unfortunatley, he was never a fan favourite so he didn't get jackshit in the end. Unless Im mistaken, we never get solid confirmation that Peter forgave Steven (which was like, his whole deal for his soul to get redeemed or whatever) and we're just left to assume Peter did like, just cuz? God I could go on about this I'm so damn passionate about these two characters' could-have-been dynamic.
You know? This video actually opened my mind. I was gaslit into thinking steven was worse than he actually was. I also see Jack in a more nuanced and unfortunate light. As a whole, Jack isn't even close to being a good person, but despite the obvious flaws, in his own twisted way, he does want to do what he believes is right, whether it's the soulless body or the shadow dog. In FNAF the dead aren't exactly the most rational beings, so it could very well be a lack of self awareness, the agony of the tragedy ruining his rational thought, the guilt, coupled with some traces of possible narcissism from when he was alive to make the shadow doggo such a douche.
I think Michael is a great protagonist...because of the headcanons. Very sympathetic and relatable from what we know canonically, which is why I love him.
This is so fun and cool because I've been watching your Channel since the day shift at Candy's videos were made and maybe even before that I've just always loved the day shift at Freddy's fandom and I discovered your Channel Through It. Also Henry is one of the best antagonists throughout all FNAF games and fan games
I know it’s not TECHNICALLY cannon, but there is quite a bit of evidence that Jack and Dave are gay for each other, as Dave LITERALLY SAYS HE LOVES JACK AT SOME POINT. so I think maybe Jack was letting his feelings get to him in forgiving Dave.
Jack's final fate always reminds me of Asriel's one... and every time I think about that aspect of their both's stories I always feel that deep feeling of loosing a very close friend and not being able to do anything about it... And how Dave must feel... And how Dee and Peter must feel... And how Chara, Frisk, Asgore and Toriel must feel... I like to have a head cannon that Jack and Asriel were somehow saved despite everything... ANYHOW THANKS FOR ALL ~700 videos and especialy the 100 ones! You're an awesomly deep and sensitive observer of true beauty in the characters and stories I love. You are the best and most valued by me DSaF and FNaF creator ;D Keep being who You are, NotRealName, cause artists make our lives better and deeper and You are a very precious treasure amongst such people 💜 Quoting Dave to express what I think about Your videos: "Good times... ;D"
What you said about Blackjack kinda gives me the same vibe as Cassidy, and why I don’t really like Cassidy. While we know a lot about Jack before he became Blackjack, all we know about Cassidy is that they were one of the victims. We don’t know anything about them, their struggles, their family, heck we don’t even know if we’re even right about who they are! All we know is that eventually William died and the souls were freed…but actually they might not be, because Cassidy is mad and is trapping William and potentially every other soul with both of them to keep him suffering. We know this could be happening because of this line from Withered Bonnie “What is this new prison? Is it me trapped, or is it you? Perhaps it’s us both.” This tells us that Cassidy is willing to not let the other souls rest and forcing them to punish William, all because they are still angry. What makes it even more frustrating to me is that if this really is true, then they are the reason William is back. They wouldn’t let him die, so he eventually broke free and now has an apprentice who will continue his numerous evil deeds well past his death.
When playing the dsaf games I realized that throughout the evil and good endings despite not having a soul Jack is in a way held accountable for his actions because the fact he doesn’t have a soul makes his efforts even more important, that’s why the characters in the games can grow to care or hate jack even if he is just a husk, because of the fact jack could manage to do the right thing despite being in a constant struggle of what to do, that’s what makes his choices more impactful than if he could have just had the soul to do the right or wrong thing. That’s why all the positive interactions he has with those he meets in the games feel so earned, because it could have been easy to side with Dave and go to Vegas, but Jack didn’t, and those such as Dee recognize that and are happy and respectful when jack does the right thing. That’s why in Dsaf 3 when Black Jack just showed up and began shit talking jack, I thought the characters like Dee and Dave, who jack has spent the whole game growing close too and trying to save despite not having a soul, would jump to jack’s defense, because they would have recognized that jack has struggled and done wrong but still choose the rights path. Jack the soulless husk is the person they have grown close too and learn to love while Black Jack has had no real impact other than killing Henry. So I really was kinda surprised when all the things Black Jack says to Jack are looked over. I feel like it could have been a good place to have the characters prove that what Jack has done has left a real impact despite Jack not being able to feel it
Happy 100th essay! You know you're passionate about something when you write 100 essays about that one specific topic. Here's to many, many more fantastic video essays, theories, and shenanigans! - proceeds to pop open a bottle of champagne and get hit in the eye with the cork -
Imagine this: Dayshift At Freddy's took place a few years after the events of FNAF. The characters of DSAF, are actually reincarnations of FNAF characters, (at least some characters). Another Freddy's has opened, and now Henry Miller (who is Henry Emily reborn), becomes a mad scientist, and begins experimenting on people. Dave Miller (who is William Afton reborn) is being manipulated by Henry. Charlie Emily (who is reborn as Dee) gets killed again, and inhabits the security puppet that was in the Freddy's restaurant, and now re-lives what she suffered in a past life. Meanwhile, Micheal Afton (who is reborn as Jack Kennedy), gets manipulated by Dave, to kill children. It kinda makes sense, that in this "new life" certain characters roles switch, like Henry being the crazed psychopath, who is obsessed with science, and possibly immortality (just like William), and William (Dave) being the person who is affected by his co-worker's psychotic nature, just like Henry Emily was in the FNAF franchise. This kinda does make sense, regarding why, DSAF and FNAF feel like they are taking place in an AU. Maybe they are, but somewhat the AU is basically the FNAF characters getting reincarnated into the DSAF characters. HAVE A GOOD DAY/NIGHT!
I think that it makes more sense if Henry Emily is the reincarnation of Henry Miller, because Henry tortured William and killed Jack's sister so now Henry in his new reincarnation lives what Jack and William lived by losing hus daughter The Puppet just like Jack lost his sister The Puppet and DaveTrap was reincarnated as William Afton(FNaF) while FlippSide is...euh, Edwin the creator of the Mimic?or maybe Old Man Consequences? Even if that's a little bit weird,imagin having your ex boyfriend being your father
Hooly. Honestly I didn’t realize like 90% of the things brought up here when I was playing the game myself. I was too taken aback by the comic duo in the faces of Jack and Dave teaming up to save people while there’s a lot of complexity going on here. I do wonder why did Jack say goodbye to DAVE of all people. Not to Dee or Peter, no, he *lied* to them too. Dave is the only person who Jack could somehow relate to, I’d imagine. The only person in Freddy’s who showed him some form of compassion (or rather connection) which could *really* mess up a person’s judgement after they’ve been succumbed to loneliness for a long time. And Jack was obviously a victim of horrifying loneliness, so I believe this is exactly why Jack is so obsessed with Dave, just like the fanbase is with him, just like Dave himself is obsessed with Jack.
I'M P SURE I FOUND YOU SOMETIME AFTER YOU STOPPED USING THE ROBOT VOICE, SO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SEEING THIS!! CONGRATS ON 100 FNAF ESSAYS!! YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB!! :]
When I think about Jack and stuff, I always start to think that, back when Jack died, what was Henry supposed to do? Yeah, it was rude that he laughed but like, do you want to be a phone?
Yeah I’m certain William is given so much backstory is exclusively because he’s a really fun character that tge fans loved so doggo tried to humanise him as much as possible to give the fans a satisfying end to his story but just went really overboard
I mean... maybe the time passed with the kiddie strangler in vegas changed his point of view on him.. I think it's part of the joke that Jack REALLY hates phoney... Like... he KNOWS he actually wasn't innocent when he got framed but phoney definitely didnt know if jack was or not Thats why he said "well i feel much less guilty about framing you now." I feel like on top of already hating Steven Jack took it personally😭 And i dont think Steven is actually kind to us at any point in the game.. We know that saving his ass at any cost was part of his program.. but being an asshole most of the time wasn't😭 In comparison, Peter was a MUCH better/kinder boss.. But after the flipside section, I've really forgiven him.. And honestly, at first, i really had the same mind-set as jack when they said he could save him even though i knew framing us was part of his program, and i really wanted to save dave more than anyone even though i didn't know his backstory then. We all loved dave without his tragic background... So ig doggo wanted us to have the same perspective as Jack or more like Jack to have the same perspective as us.. As we saw.. he doesn't really count Dee as his sister (as legacy Jack says himself)... at least in the first part of the flipside. So yeah, it could also count on that.
While I still like Jack as a protag, I do realize that he is a bit of a hypocrite and him bro g flawed is better than the seemingly perfect Henry from the games.
(20:29) Why does this sound familiar? It reminds me of someone who also lost a daughter to an Aubergine Man but with a British accent, and the daughter went on to possess a sock puppet…can’t pin point my finger on it…
I think Jack's body contains Jack's good side and Blackjack contains his selfish side This means that after the fire of dsaf 3 the Jack that we play is go to the afterlife like Blackjack
I dont know much about these games, though it added just saying “thank” in my vocabulary from giving Bonnie his face back in the first one so it’s peak Edit: 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Wooo! 100 vids of FNAF! Congratulations lol. When I saw this I was so confused and thought it was an old video I haven’t watched, so when I saw the upload time I was shocked. Like damn, just as I was getting back into DSAF? I found your channel through your DSAF content. Your essay about Jack and Blackjack pretty much inspired me back in my first phase of DSAF and got me to subscribe and start diving deeper into DSAF and analyze it. Eventually I did let the interest rest but earlier this week I ended up rekindling my love for DSAF and decided to watch these two essays again. I can’t believe you remastered it today! Here’s to all your future essay videos! They’re always so interesting to watch! 🎉
This video made me see Dave and Jack in a new perspective! I know that both of them are quite flawed (And well, child murderers) but until now I wasn't quite able to put into words what their flaws really were, just some minor traits like Jack not feeling guilt in any path that he follows.
I really liked when you did this with the FNAF M-preg story, remaking it because i did like watching those videos they were watchable but could use a touch up so i think it would be a shame to let them sit there not being picked up in the algorithm because they are outdated by your current video standards
(What I’m about to say is spoilers for the MegaMan series, but it goes along with my point…I also just really wanna talk about this because I think it’s funny) Using immortality as a punishment in stories is such a strange and interesting topic for me. When some stories do it, I find it kinda annoying that the characters are this dumb, while when others do it, I find it hilarious because the characters think it’ll work. One of my favorite examples is Dr. Weil from MegaMan Zero. Someone so evil he single-handedly made a war worse than both Dr. Wily and Sigma, all for revenge, and for complete obedience to him. He was later put into a painful regen suit that gave him immortality, and his memories converted into data, so he can never forget his crimes…all this did was make him even more jaded, power hungry, and sadistic, and now he’s basically immortal so you can’t just kill him to stop him. Here is literally a line he says in the game. “The desire for power. The joy of making everything work for you. You have no way of experiencing this without a human brain. It's the ultimate joy! No mere Reploid could ever understand!” This man is so evil is hilarious.
Well done on 100 essays! It's a joy whenever I hear a new one Also thanks to this essay I can understand why I always wanted to give Steven a huge hug playing DSaF 3
While I'm not sure if the Flipside's existence implies that all endings are somewhat canon at the same time, it _is_ implied that Jack did commit murders at some points and other acts of vandalism (like blowing up urinals), maybe even alongside or in parallel to Dave and even Henry. After all, Jack and Dave have been in many more Freddy's locations beyond the first two games, they definitely butted heads/teamed up multiple times. It's something that's blamed on him lacking a soul - because of that, he's apathetic, conscience-less, and in a constant state of ennui. It's the explanation for him acting at the player's whim, he just does whatever he feels like doing, because besides his promise to the Real Fredbear, he doesn't really have any moral compass to hold him down. It's interesting because it's never very clear if he tries to save the souls of everyone because he truly wants to, or simply because he wants to keep a promise. I think we can compare him to Phil Connors, the protagonist of Groundhog's Day. Both are stuck in a situation beyond their control that renders them immortal, both indulge in their own desires and act simply for their amusement, both try to play God at some point or another, become cynical, and eventually try to use their situation to become good, first to try and meet some objective, but later (and hopefully in Jack's case as well) out of their own selfless volition. But yeah, honestly, thanks for showing how... insensitive and biased Jack can be at some points. Some of these points honestly did fly over my head. Honestly, it shows that he's no "messiah" of sorts in the series. He's just a guy who does his best in the best way he knows, but who still stumbles in many places. And yes, BlackJack is definitely a character with a worse personality than Sportsy. I know that he probably became incredibly jaded and cynical, even more so than the Tangerine Man, due to the years of solitude as a stray soul, ruminating on his mistakes and bad choices, being even more disconnected from everyone in general... but damn, talk about acting entitled. For being a soul, he lacks even more empathy than the husk Jack.
That was very informative I actually had no idea about this fan series. In fact the first time I ever heard the name "Dave Miller" in FNAF was in a fanfiction. I'm sure you can guess which one.
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honestly jack just shouldve said 'Dee this is my toxic yaoi' and she wouldve gotten it
She would have gotten 100%, would have still hated his guts but atleast she would have understand it was a dumb gay brain at work
LMAO
The best part is that totally could've happened
NGL, I swear Henry as a villain was far more intimidating than Vanny ever was. I love how he was created a response to the colour brothers theory. As a kid, always headcannoned Shadow Bonnie or Freddy as Pink Guy/Henry’s spirit the same way Afton became Springtrap.
On a side note though, this may be an extreme hot take, but I would’ve preferred it if Dave still remained evil by the end of the good ending however you could feel pity towards him. I love Dave as a comedic character, but I do think his redemption felt forced. Perhaps by Dsaf 3 he could’ve moved on from Henry and became his own antagonist.
A piece of grass is more intimidating then vanny honestly (at least imo)
@Sonicmid as someone who dislikes Eleanor, even she was better than Vanny
So true
@@DjDeadpigWhat do you mean Was. What did Vanny do to be better?
Henry’s even better then William to me, one of my favorite characters to come out of fnaf fangames and official media
Honestly William and jack had a every toxic relationship. It feels like Jack when loosing his soul latched onto the first person who was nice to him David and completely forgot about D until the next game.
I love DSaF because all the characters are complete a-holes and DirectDoggo just really leaned into it and did not even try to justify them. It's a really good study on how to write bad guy protagonists by subverting with humour.
I read the Steven scene as ironic/ sarcastic. The one character that might actually be redeemable- heck, no way. He is TOO much.
Dave's backstory was purposefully so over the top and drawn out it too, feels like a bit. Like a poke at how fans write the most tragic backstory to condone the most hindeous villians. Dave was still a villian. Just a completely unaware one.
(I love Dave, don't get me wrong.)
BlackJack is such an interesting take on id verses ego in such a dumb game I can't even.
can 100% agree. alot of the time "complex" backstories feel way to corny, trying to justify inexcusable actions with 'uwu so sad' buzz words, and doggo taking advantage of it and almost mocking it (whether intentionally or not) is something i absolutely love.
Honestly i wouldn’t really call Dave’s backstory drawn out considering how little it was touched on to begin with within the games. It felt like the last game was an attempt to get all the lore out and without it we wouldn’t have known the true nature of Henry and Dave’s relationship with how much GLAZING Dave did
Agreed with the backstory to excuse a villain’s actions tho. Villain’s with tragic backstories are cool but that backstory shouldn’t EXCUSE their actions, just EXPLAIN them.
@@VortAmort Woobification is the eighth deadly sin, change my mind.
You Can't.
@@re-blitz I think that's intentional? The backstory didn't really matter for Dave, after all he was in the flipside for the whole games, and we just see the worst part of him. If the story was touched on more in previous games, it wouldn't be as mocking with how it was handled in the third one. The whole ordeal is like "oh no, I'm the good part of the heartless murderer! And I have such tragic backstory! Pity me!"
I think the forgiveness for Dave solely comes from how popular of a character he is.
No, it’s because we all truly love Aubergine Man.
@@azimuddin1890yea
No, that's not it at all. The thing is, Dave can be redeemed, he *couldve* been a good person, he definitely wasn't, but that wasn't entirely his fault to begin with. He was *lobotomized*, manipulated, desperate, lonely, he had no purpose until Henry gave him purpose, and he believed Henry because he was the only person he'd ever met that actually tolerated him. By the time we meet him, the damage had already been done. He clearly knows that killing children is wrong, but he doesn't feel regret because he was basically trained not to. He only feels regret when he's forced to confront his fears. And even then, he has a hard time fully processing it because he's been *literally lobotomized*.
nah its bc he's actually trying to be redeemed, but that too
"WHY HELLO THERE OLD SPORT"
a wise man
Who? Hego Demask/Darth Plagueis the Wise?
"wise guy" literally
I can't believe he became like Doofenshmirtz for me. I can read it in his voice XD
The Dayshift series' characterizations kinda wash the mainline series purely by. Well. Having characterization.
Dayshift 3 gets quite a lot of focus from the fandom on that front (for good reason, especially everything to do with the Phone Guys), but Dayshift 2 gets glossed over. Even though Doggo clearly improved between games, God DAMN is there some compelling writing for its characters.
Agreed
True
the main reason Jack trusts flipside Dave is exactly because of him existing separate from meatflesh Dave, at this point Jack thought his soul was outright destroyed when he died and revived, so he likely assumed that Dave must've been telling the truth about why/how he was in the flipside, as his soul couldn't exist otherwise (in Jack's likely logic)
also, unless im forgetting a few lines, Jack doesn't learn that Dave killed Dee until 3's evil ending, where Jack near instantly betrays Dave after learning it, so Jack isn't forgiving Dave for that during the flipside, he just doesn't know
Jack is shown in various flashbacks spying on Dave and Henry and was working at Freddy's when Dee was taken, so he knew the two were working together. Dsaf 3 was when Dave fessed up to it, but Jack knew more than he let on- as alluded to in Dsaf 2.
As for the whole 'good soul' thing. That's what the game says, but it never says when Dave split from his body. He seemed to be in it during Dee's death as he mentions it like he was totally there, not like he was watching at a distance.
@notrealnamenotatall2476 Curiosity; is Dave's voice in DSAF something like AI-Generated?
@@mariomuncher44 its text-to-speech
@@mariomuncher44 AI voices weren't a thing back then, btw. Like prev said, text-to-speech through and through.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 im pretty sure it was when he died he split his soul, as its implied
I do feel like a lot of Jack excusing Dave’s behaviour was because of his feelings for him. And I feel like this is reflected when the player loves Dave we tend to go along with every terrible idea Dave comes up with. Even if you want to assume Jack isn’t being gay on main, Jack is just the Id (but he has seemed to start developing his own superego in 3) of course he is going to try to defend the man that gives him everything the Id craves.
Steven: does stuff that Jake knows he’s programmed to do
Dave:murders hundreds of people ruined jacks like and killed his sister because someone told him it was ok to do
Jack:HoW cOuLd StEvEn Do SuCh A tHiNg
i don’t think you quite get the actual story at all
@@LynxSoot I do I have been playing dsaf since it came out I could gladly explain it to you
@@LynxSoot the earliest things that happened to the relevant characters was when Dave went to Henry’s and when Jack Peter’s and Dee’s parents died
@@LynxSoot Henry eventually opened Fred bears with Dave while experimenting on Dave and clear souls and black souls
@@LynxSoot Jack eventually becomes a guard while Dee hangs out in the restaurant
Its crazy how compared to Jack, Blackjack seems like the soulless one.
He's a Black soul, he's filled with absolute regret. His actions were most likely out of an extreme desire for revenge.
I don’t think Jack telling Jake Dave's story was 'Sure, but Dave suffered more' so much as 'You're not a bad father, THIS is what a shitty father looks like' in an attempt to reassure Jake he isn’t a bad father for being in an accident and losing everything by being a phone guy, which was not his fault. Jake was dealt a shitty hand, Henry however could have made better choices. But he didn’t so fuck Henry.
PICK UP THE FAX, PICK UP THE FAX
GRAND CANYON GRAND CANYON GRAND CANYON
Yarhahah harehare
Jack/Old Sport probably has better dental care compared to Micheal. That alone makes him better.
i mean its kinda cannon
Lol(Bit), I mean he’s gotta smile for the camera.
Yea
Okay i actually got so railed up about this i got a headache so i need to counter argue to many of your points about Steven.
Starting with something i see a lot of people not realize and is that yes, indeed, all endings ARE canon. This is pretty clearly explained by Henry in the secret tape (you get it from fishing it out the ballpit or from the dodo, both very annoying methods so i dont blame anyone from missing this) and it explains Jack's soul is one with time powers that will revert time based on regret. With this, we know not only EVERY ending and game over is canon but also something Jack remembers.
Keeping this on mind, Jack's obvious bias towards Dave compared to Steven MAKES sense, because there's no timeline where Steven is nice unless he's doing it out of being forced to do so (owing you a favor). On top of that, there's another detail: Jack DID know about Dave's backstory!
When he learned it is obviously not clear but there's to places where its implied he does, in fact, know about it: Dee's fight, obviously, and Jake's backstory. In Dee's fight she asks him for confirmation on whether this was true and he's like "yeah" meaning this isnt news for him, and in Jake's backstory he talks about this EVEN if he didnt go to the flipside or heard the tapes, meaning that at some point he had an honest heart to heart with Dave about his past and such.
Now, relating it back to Steven: I feel that they cannot even be fucking compared. I think Steven would be better compared to the other two phone guys we see making a decision like this, those being Harry (ironically the one who made Steven) and Peter. I mean, Roger and Jake are also in the same situation, but they're just following what their boss says so they cannot be counted in.
Peter for his part is an outlier, because he's the first Phone Guy we EVER see decide to not send someone to the factory (that being Jimbo), completely ignoring what this would mean for him (if anything, since we don't really know if there are consequences or not). Harry and Steven, obviously, did send their respective coworkers there, but there's a main difference: Steven was utterly remorseful about this while Harry kind of... thought genuinely this was a good idea?
Which does say a lot about how Harry views himself but it also says something about Steven: that he's a fucking coward. Which we did, in fact, know, but this reinforces it.
Steven made a choice by his own voalition, and i don't think this is even fair to compare with Dave. Dave was being abused and manipulated by his father figure and the only person who had ever been nice to him, the only person he thought he had in the world. He was regretful too but he really wanted to trust Henry because what did he have if he left? Steven on the other hand is not being "molly cuddled" by anyone but a manual.
This isnt to say Steven isnt tragic, he is! He, like everyone else, is a complex and tragic character who did unfortunately go quite unexplored, but he's also a bad person because he chooses to be so. He'd have been like Peter, he'd have broken the cycle, he'd have done anything a man aware of the weight of his actions could do, but he didn't, because he was scared!
Also i must point out this very cowardice also reflects on his own violence because to say he's not as bad as Peter is just plain bullshit. Peter was a bit more festive yes but he at least let you Pee On Slides and Gave You Warnings. Steven kicked me in the fucking springlocks because my puns were bad. That guy was brutal and cruel but also wouldnt dare to kick Jack's ass if he was out of that stupid cool cat suit.
So, to wrap this up now that my blood pressure went to safe levels again: when you look at the whole picture Jack's feelings towards Dave and Steven are not entirely unjustified. The way that tangerine goes about doing anything at all is highly questionable though but he's like everyone else just a flawed individual. And that's what makes this franchise so compelling 👍
Honestly I agree with all of your points. And plus even if Jack did just not like Steven for the sake of it, I think it does kinda add to his character because even in the endings where he does many good things, at his core he's still kind of an asshole. A major asshole, and has streaks of pettiness. But in the end he did choose to save Steven which I think is what matters.
Wait...if all endings are cannon... The eggplant ending is...
_Oh no..._
@@Agavy_The_W3irdo happy pride! ❤️
And Peter killed us with the springlocks in DSaF 2 just because we did a joke about Phone Guy and milk
And Steven is generation 1 he is programmed to sent Peter into the Factory when Peter is generation 2,he has the choice but Steven and Harry don't
Steven:*Absolutely heinous acts that he was programmed to do, but before that he did cause Peter to go to the factory*
Jack:"Youuuuu you can make a change"
Steven:"Okay I'm good now"
You don't understand. Steve is the worst character, because he keeps tempting Jack in the flipside, sending Foxys after him to escape XD
The old phone guys were mind wiped the new ones got all of their memories but usually still stay anyways
Not exactly. First era wasn't wiped, because they didn't knew it will be a problem. Then they wiped all memory, and gradualy started getting chill on both AI and memory thing, so most regained theirs at some point.
The last generation had memories, but they were threatened with what would happen to them if they ran away from the location.
7:47 this is so real, like steven most likely couldn't do anything else. and then idk how long after that this random jackass (pun indented) told him that this was his fault.
In my vision, Jack did the right thing declining Dave's offers in 1987, helped the Puppet free the souls of the children like he promised Fredbear, only for Phone Gut to frame him for the murders, resulting in Jack nearly being sent to prison, but then Dave sends Breadbear and Farfour to wreak havoc, resulting in the Real Fredbear to save Jack and defeat those monstrosities.
I agree that trying to redeem child murderers is almost always a terrible idea.
But my take on Flipside Dave was that he was the part of William Afton that Henry cut out of his brain to make him more compliant, the way I like to think of it is that Dave Miller is the child murderer/best friend from the previous games that Henry brainwashed, William Afton was the orphan that died after meeting Henry.
Also Jack is totally a psychopath/sociopath, no remorse, murdered kids, self-centered yada yada
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I feel like jack was comforting the phone guy, like “your story was pretty sad but at least it could’ve been MUCH worse”
That's kinda worse though. XD Jake went through a nightmarish scenario and all he needed was a little backup, but Jack's like, "Okay, I hear you, but Dave's had it way worse. Like, WAY worse. Lemme tell you-."
Balloon Boy did bite of ‘87
why. would. u. think. that.
IT WAS NIGHTMARE BALLOON BOY FRFR
The revenge of balloon boy or nightmare balloon boy
@@AudreyArnett-si3ssPhone Guy never talks about him. He is not in any Fnaf 2 Minigame.
@@AudreyArnett-si3ss His evil laugh and terrifying stare full of malice, always leaves death and destruction in his path, he truly is the man behind the slaughter
Tbh behind the funny haha moments dayshift has a great story with amazing characters. No bias, old sport.
hello old sport is the most dave/ purple guy line ever and i always think that william afton was in it before the main series came out.
or he changed his name from william afton to dave
Jack’s actions always fit into 1 of 3 categories:
1) Promise to Fredbear + wanting to save Dee/siblings (sibling era)
2) Because it’s funny, or off the wall bullshit (quirky era)
3) Because it’s DAVE/WILLIAM, we all love good old aubergine man, Davey. (Davesport era, aka, the most prominent and beloved era).
Great video though!
Regarding Jack bringing up Dave's backstory after Jake explains his; the reason why he brought up Dave's backstory isn't because he was trying to say that Dave suffered more than him, but because he was trying to convince Jake that he wasn't a bad father. Jake hated himself for leaving his son when he finally found him and believed that he had failed as a parent. Jack brought up Dave's backstory to explain how Henry was a terrible father figure to Dave and manipulated him at every opportunity in order to convince Jake that he wasn't a bad parent, since Jake cared about his son and wanted him to have a good life.
On a somewhat unrelated note, the way you described Dave's backstory is EXACTLY how I feel about Scourge from Warrior Cats. His backstory is so overblown and dramatic when the actual root of it is that he got bullied by his littermates for being small, which is just a school shooter backstory.
Ah, I remember the original version of this video. Although it's not perfect, the DSAF series is very special to me and holds an important place in my heart. I can remember the first time I played through the good route of DSAF 3 and for that it's very nostalgic to me. Anyways, congratulations on 100 essays! I've been around long enough to remember the text-to-speech voice... good riddance to that.
Same
Jack x Dave confirmed cause ain't no way anything else but love would make jack forget Dave lmao
“Jacks a hypocrite” YEAH BUT FAN SERVICE
I understand where people come from but DaveSport is the most popular dsaf ship. Ofc directdoggo will have Jack forgive Dave before Steven
No, I’d say that makes sense for his character (LolBit)
I think with all timelines, they would be bonding over being the only walking corpses with "free will" (Phone Guys are always way more restricted)
Jack may be hypocrite, but he isn't stupid. Anyone forced to spend time around someone else for years will form any bond, even if he hated Dave, he would latch onto "William(the good one) can be saved!" becase 1) it means Jack also isn't a lost cause and 2) he didn't waste so much time and nerves around this guy, to just left him there and risk more trouble
Im gonna be real, literaly all of Jacks hypocrisy surrounding Dave can be explained by having him be in love with him.
That’s why I disagree with NotRealName’s, who wouldn’t love Aubergine Man?
@@azimuddin1890 Steven. That's why he's hated XD
Lmao
Decillionth!
At Jack’s home, the Tangerine Man is lying down on his couch…doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! He then sits up. Pondering on what to do next since he’s now just ashes “I thought I’d be dead…ehh” he says in confusion, pondering how he isn’t dead, and then decides he doesn’t care, and then lies back down. Then suddenly (and randomly), Aubergine Man bust down the doors, carrying BlackJack Skellington Kennedy in his pants pocket. Both have their halos because they’re dead (LolBit). They’re supposed to stay in Heaven and cannot go back to the living world, but Aubergine Man’s excitement for something caused him to not care so much, so he was able to defy the laws of reality and go to the living world without permission. He’s extremely excited while Jack isn’t because reasons. “Yo” Tangerine Man says to them, welcoming them back, although he doesn't so much glance at them due to his boredom. “SPORTSY, SPORTSY!!!” Aubergine Man yelled in excitement. “Yeah, what is it?” Tangerine Man asks. “A new video coming out!” Aubergine Man asks, but it’s vague. The Tangerine Man looks at him with curiously “What video?” he asks, wanting a specific video Aubergine Man’s referring to. “A video by NotRealName NotAtAll’s” Aubergine Man answered. “What’s her name?” Tangerine Man asks because he has no idea why this TH-camr named themselves that, he doesn’t know who this TH-camr is, he thinks it’s probably BreadBear, the greatest mistake one of his counterparts from another timeline released. “It’s about us!” Aubergine Man answers. Tangerine Man’s eyes open…well you wouldn’t tell cause he’s just ash “Is it a Biography of us? This TH-camr didn’t get my permission, they should’ve at least asked me, did they ask you?” Tangerine Man says in slight annoyance in his voice. “Nope” Aubergine Man says smiling, not bothered by it because he knows this TH-camr will represent him well…expect for BlackJack cause…he’s an A-. “I WANT THAT VIDEO NOT BE MADE!” he yells in anger. “Too bad Aubergine Doggy, we’re all gonna watch it.” He says it assertively to BlackJack. Jack scoffs at him “You stinky.”. Tangerine Man wonders “How does this person know about us? Is it because I threw my own animatronic into the Grander Canyon when I had my own restaurant?” “No” Aubergine Man replied “It’s because she documented our life.” “How?” Tangerine Man asks another question for like the millionth time. “She played us.” Aubergine Man answered. Tangerine Man is creeped out by this, and was about to ask “Huuuuuhhhhh…explai-“ but Aubergine Man cuts him off “Faz Ent L.L.C made a virtual reality game detailing our life because a cat made video games supposably making up our lives, ‘exaggerating’ some parts.” “Ooookaayyyy?…how?” Tangerine Man is confused by all of this, how was his life documented by a cat. Well he would’ve asked if he hadn’t kept asking questions, so he stopped. “Soooo when will this video come out?…Wait, I told myself I would stop asking?…ehh” Tangerine Man says in irritation and then in boredom. “Four thirty pm” Aubergine Man answered “I set my alarm at Four twenty nine, so we’ll be the first to watch.” Aubergine Man informs. “Awesome!” Tangerine Man says “So for now, what do you want to do?” “GO TO VEGAS!!!” Aubergine Man says in excitement as if he was a kid wanting to go to Toys R Us. Tangerine Man sighs “Of course, Vegas, alright let’s go walk all the way to Vegas.” So they start walking all the way to Vegas, and afterwards, they stayed in a hotel to watch the video released by NotRealName NotAtAll. Tangerine Man still wonders what isn’t her real name, is it the name that I just said? Regardless, he decides to ignore it and watch the video, impressed and laughed at all the moments about him doing stupid stuff. After Tangerine Man finishes watching the video “I hate this.” “I too hate this.” Aubergine Man agreeing with Tangerine Man. “I AM NOT A HYPOCRITE!” Tangerine Man yelled, “Scott is an exception cause I hate him.” Tangerine Man says defending himself. “You can see why I wasn’t anticipating this.” BlackJack Skellington Kennedy says.
The End Bois :)
Hope you sort off liked it, I put so little effort into it.
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Your welcome.
@@azimuddin1890 actually that was a good story
@@Oldsport16
I’d say amazing at best, but perfect at worst.
@@azimuddin1890 nah AMAzing
5/10 no yiffing fox
no matter what happens once you play dsaf so much it will always be in the back of your mind and idk why
I think biased for Tangerine Man is more accurate, hypocrite, yee, but biased is more accurate to me.
Jack has never been quite right in the head. At the end of the day, he and Dave are very romantic coded, and it makes sense that Jack would advocate for him so strongly.
Meanwhile, he and Steven have never gotten along, so him not wanting to save Steven is selfish and hypocritical, but you can see WHY he'd be reluctant to do so.
this.
Although I agree that sympathetic Dave is a forced plot device, I don’t get why people are saying that he’s at fault for the child murder’s (the good Dave). He was initially VERY against the murder’s as seen by the tape’s and only did them because Henry told him that they were simply putting them into new immortal vessel’s, the robots.
It’s only after Henry literally cutting out parts of Dave’s brain (which is what causes the split in the first place) that Dave, now lacking morality in the mortal world, is on board for killing killing kids, said killings that can no longer be pinned on Flipside Dave because they are now separate.
I don’t know about other people, but I don’t think Dave before the split can be blamed either, b/c Henry’s Gaslighting (as seen by the tapes) is honestly insane.
One other thing to note is that Steven tried to warn Jack about the dangers of signing the contract, loved his fake robot kids, and can gibe jack a doggo if he helps him! Steven is pretty okay as a person but Jack portrays him as worse than a freaking child murderer!
YOU ABSOLUTE LEGEND YOU DID THE THING. HAPPY 100 ESSAYS NOTREAL. LOVE UR VIDEOS. Now that matpat retired, you’re my go to FNAF channel.
Agreed, congrats to 100th video of NotRealName!
I’ve been watching her for a while and she’s my go to fnaf TH-camr covering spin off games and describing things in great detail
I think Jack is perfect as he is, because lets be frank, thats the exact kind of person that would be a kiddi stranglr with Dave/Afton
And the sob story is perfect for Afton because like. Look at him!
An actual sad backstory would just be _jarring_ frankly.
Dayshift 3 is fascinating in how it handles being a sequel because it clashes and continues details from prior games. Namely, how the Evil Routes for 2 can end in Jack killing The Real Fredbear... But in 3, Davetrap claims to have killed him.
My belief is that the 3 plot takes place in an alternate timeline. And that the reason Old Sport can have Undertale moments like in 2 - where doing An Ending and playing again changes dialogue - is tied to Blackjack's existence. Unlike Dave, who repossessed his own corpse, Jack's soul exists in the void between. Or rather, the Flipside.
Now, considering the fact that burning a vessel doesn't destroy the soul in the Flipside - Davetrap burns, but Dave is unaffected - but allows them to be freed? I think Jack's hypocrisy makes sense if you look at it through the lens that he does the Dave/Evil endings first and THEN goes back to do the Good Endings.
It explains his fixation on Dave, as well as his focus on "redeeming the irredeemable" being in part about himself.
(I also think that the way to explain the Henry fusion in 3's evil end becoming a non factor is them becoming Godred, traveling to the Good timeline, and burning in the fire. Henry is booted out back into the void, then dies For Real when the Flipside part happens.)
(Yes, I think Godred is Henry. This absurdly Eldritch, evil bear just so happens to be the same color? Come on.)
I cannot tell you how many nights I've stayed awake mourning the fact that steven and peter's conflict was never solved and left there to dry. Steven is my favourite character of the main cast solely because of the POTENTIAL that I saw in him, like, his guilt is and WOULD have made for SUCH A GOOD STORY TO UNCOVER. Unfortunatley, he was never a fan favourite so he didn't get jackshit in the end. Unless Im mistaken, we never get solid confirmation that Peter forgave Steven (which was like, his whole deal for his soul to get redeemed or whatever) and we're just left to assume Peter did like, just cuz? God I could go on about this I'm so damn passionate about these two characters' could-have-been dynamic.
10:45 I like to think the canonical route involves Jack working with Dave perhaps this could be a reason
(4:19) I love Jack winks when you call him a hypocrite. It’s like he knows he is.
You know? This video actually opened my mind. I was gaslit into thinking steven was worse than he actually was. I also see Jack in a more nuanced and unfortunate light. As a whole, Jack isn't even close to being a good person, but despite the obvious flaws, in his own twisted way, he does want to do what he believes is right, whether it's the soulless body or the shadow dog.
In FNAF the dead aren't exactly the most rational beings, so it could very well be a lack of self awareness, the agony of the tragedy ruining his rational thought, the guilt, coupled with some traces of possible narcissism from when he was alive to make the shadow doggo such a douche.
It kinda sounds like Jack is hard simping for Dave, keeping in mind with your elaboration..
I think Michael is a great protagonist...because of the headcanons. Very sympathetic and relatable from what we know canonically, which is why I love him.
This is so fun and cool because I've been watching your Channel since the day shift at Candy's videos were made and maybe even before that I've just always loved the day shift at Freddy's fandom and I discovered your Channel Through It. Also Henry is one of the best antagonists throughout all FNAF games and fan games
Happy 100 videos! I love Dayshift so much this was one of my favorite videos.
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I know it’s not TECHNICALLY cannon, but there is quite a bit of evidence that Jack and Dave are gay for each other, as Dave LITERALLY SAYS HE LOVES JACK AT SOME POINT. so I think maybe Jack was letting his feelings get to him in forgiving Dave.
Jack's final fate always reminds me of Asriel's one... and every time I think about that aspect of their both's stories I always feel that deep feeling of loosing a very close friend and not being able to do anything about it... And how Dave must feel... And how Dee and Peter must feel... And how Chara, Frisk, Asgore and Toriel must feel... I like to have a head cannon that Jack and Asriel were somehow saved despite everything... ANYHOW THANKS FOR ALL ~700 videos and especialy the 100 ones! You're an awesomly deep and sensitive observer of true beauty in the characters and stories I love. You are the best and most valued by me DSaF and FNaF creator ;D Keep being who You are, NotRealName, cause artists make our lives better and deeper and You are a very precious treasure amongst such people 💜
Quoting Dave to express what I think about Your videos: "Good times... ;D"
How dare you insult my orange baby!
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In all seriousness though congrats on 100 FNaF videos!
What you said about Blackjack kinda gives me the same vibe as Cassidy, and why I don’t really like Cassidy. While we know a lot about Jack before he became Blackjack, all we know about Cassidy is that they were one of the victims. We don’t know anything about them, their struggles, their family, heck we don’t even know if we’re even right about who they are! All we know is that eventually William died and the souls were freed…but actually they might not be, because Cassidy is mad and is trapping William and potentially every other soul with both of them to keep him suffering.
We know this could be happening because of this line from Withered Bonnie “What is this new prison? Is it me trapped, or is it you? Perhaps it’s us both.” This tells us that Cassidy is willing to not let the other souls rest and forcing them to punish William, all because they are still angry.
What makes it even more frustrating to me is that if this really is true, then they are the reason William is back. They wouldn’t let him die, so he eventually broke free and now has an apprentice who will continue his numerous evil deeds well past his death.
When playing the dsaf games I realized that throughout the evil and good endings despite not having a soul Jack is in a way held accountable for his actions because the fact he doesn’t have a soul makes his efforts even more important, that’s why the characters in the games can grow to care or hate jack even if he is just a husk, because of the fact jack could manage to do the right thing despite being in a constant struggle of what to do, that’s what makes his choices more impactful than if he could have just had the soul to do the right or wrong thing.
That’s why all the positive interactions he has with those he meets in the games feel so earned, because it could have been easy to side with Dave and go to Vegas, but Jack didn’t, and those such as Dee recognize that and are happy and respectful when jack does the right thing.
That’s why in Dsaf 3 when Black Jack just showed up and began shit talking jack, I thought the characters like Dee and Dave, who jack has spent the whole game growing close too and trying to save despite not having a soul, would jump to jack’s defense, because they would have recognized that jack has struggled and done wrong but still choose the rights path. Jack the soulless husk is the person they have grown close too and learn to love while Black Jack has had no real impact other than killing Henry.
So I really was kinda surprised when all the things Black Jack says to Jack are looked over. I feel like it could have been a good place to have the characters prove that what Jack has done has left a real impact despite Jack not being able to feel it
Congratulations on 100 FNAF videos! Here's to many more videos and stuff in the future as well from you.
YOOOO DAYSHIFT AT FREDDY'S REMAKE VIDEO LET'S GO!!!!!!!
15:01 notrealname is a valley girl confirmed??!??!?!?!?!
Happy 100th essay! You know you're passionate about something when you write 100 essays about that one specific topic. Here's to many, many more fantastic video essays, theories, and shenanigans! - proceeds to pop open a bottle of champagne and get hit in the eye with the cork -
100th FNAF video? WOOO
Imagine this: Dayshift At Freddy's took place a few years after the events of FNAF. The characters of DSAF, are actually reincarnations of FNAF characters, (at least some characters). Another Freddy's has opened, and now Henry Miller (who is Henry Emily reborn), becomes a mad scientist, and begins experimenting on people. Dave Miller (who is William Afton reborn) is being manipulated by Henry. Charlie Emily (who is reborn as Dee) gets killed again, and inhabits the security puppet that was in the Freddy's restaurant, and now re-lives what she suffered in a past life. Meanwhile, Micheal Afton (who is reborn as Jack Kennedy), gets manipulated by Dave, to kill children. It kinda makes sense, that in this "new life" certain characters roles switch, like Henry being the crazed psychopath, who is obsessed with science, and possibly immortality (just like William), and William (Dave) being the person who is affected by his co-worker's psychotic nature, just like Henry Emily was in the FNAF franchise.
This kinda does make sense, regarding why, DSAF and FNAF feel like they are taking place in an AU. Maybe they are, but somewhat the AU is basically the FNAF characters getting reincarnated into the DSAF characters.
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I think that it makes more sense if Henry Emily is the reincarnation of Henry Miller, because Henry tortured William and killed Jack's sister so now Henry in his new reincarnation lives what Jack and William lived by losing hus daughter The Puppet just like Jack lost his sister The Puppet and DaveTrap was reincarnated as William Afton(FNaF) while FlippSide is...euh, Edwin the creator of the Mimic?or maybe Old Man Consequences?
Even if that's a little bit weird,imagin having your ex boyfriend being your father
Oh? Visitors? How quaint. What do you want from Henry Miller, *THE VOIDWALKER*
I’m 100% sure that jack is just gay for Dave and follows whatever he says
Clear the stage for the star of our show is now here
Hooly. Honestly I didn’t realize like 90% of the things brought up here when I was playing the game myself. I was too taken aback by the comic duo in the faces of Jack and Dave teaming up to save people while there’s a lot of complexity going on here.
I do wonder why did Jack say goodbye to DAVE of all people. Not to Dee or Peter, no, he *lied* to them too. Dave is the only person who Jack could somehow relate to, I’d imagine. The only person in Freddy’s who showed him some form of compassion (or rather connection) which could *really* mess up a person’s judgement after they’ve been succumbed to loneliness for a long time. And Jack was obviously a victim of horrifying loneliness, so I believe this is exactly why Jack is so obsessed with Dave, just like the fanbase is with him, just like Dave himself is obsessed with Jack.
yippee! happy 100th fnaf essay video!
HOLY SHIT DSAF IN 2024 WHAT A BLESSING
I'M P SURE I FOUND YOU SOMETIME AFTER YOU STOPPED USING THE ROBOT VOICE, SO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SEEING THIS!!
CONGRATS ON 100 FNAF ESSAYS!! YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB!! :]
Indeed
When I think about Jack and stuff, I always start to think that, back when Jack died, what was Henry supposed to do? Yeah, it was rude that he laughed but like, do you want to be a phone?
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''He has that chance, unlike some people.'' Ouch that hurt.
Yeah I’m certain William is given so much backstory is exclusively because he’s a really fun character that tge fans loved so doggo tried to humanise him as much as possible to give the fans a satisfying end to his story but just went really overboard
This was a super good video! I adore the DSAF series but I really enjoyed how critical this is. It's helped me see the series in a more fair light.
Congratulations on your 100th FNAF essay video Freddy probably thinks you're a superstar I certainly do
17:39 something tells me this is specifically directed towards Henry
Which one? Charlotte Web novel’s Horrid Henry Danger Stickman or the practically nonexistent game version of Horrid Henry Danger Stickman?
@@azimuddin1890probably both
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Makes sense
I mean... maybe the time passed with the kiddie strangler in vegas changed his point of view on him..
I think it's part of the joke that Jack REALLY hates phoney...
Like... he KNOWS he actually wasn't innocent when he got framed but phoney definitely didnt know if jack was or not
Thats why he said "well i feel much less guilty about framing you now."
I feel like on top of already hating Steven Jack took it personally😭
And i dont think Steven is actually kind to us at any point in the game..
We know that saving his ass at any cost was part of his program.. but being an asshole most of the time wasn't😭
In comparison, Peter was a MUCH better/kinder boss..
But after the flipside section, I've really forgiven him..
And honestly, at first, i really had the same mind-set as jack when they said he could save him even though i knew framing us was part of his program, and i really wanted to save dave more than anyone even though i didn't know his backstory then.
We all loved dave without his tragic background...
So ig doggo wanted us to have the same perspective as Jack or more like Jack to have the same perspective as us..
As we saw.. he doesn't really count Dee as his sister (as legacy Jack says himself)... at least in the first part of the flipside.
So yeah, it could also count on that.
While I still like Jack as a protag, I do realize that he is a bit of a hypocrite and him bro g flawed is better than the seemingly perfect Henry from the games.
What do you mean? Horrid Henry Danger Stickman is like the perfect specimen of a human bean.
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Ahh, you recognize it now.
Henry in the games honestly is like Henry in this series. A manipulator, not a hero.
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I don’t know, he barely has enough appearance in the games to give me that impression. He wanted to end everything in F.N.A.F.6.
The dave glazzing is crazy
8:45 *Phone* Guy is *off the hook?* Hah
"Hello there Old sport" A line that is forever stuck in my head.
I have just come to the conclusion that Vlackjack is literally just gacha stereotype Cassidy, and that's making me laugh my ass off 🤣
26:00 - 26:04 that made me laugh louder then I would like to admit... (btw hurray for the 100th fnaf vid you have made! :D love your vids)
(20:29) Why does this sound familiar? It reminds me of someone who also lost a daughter to an Aubergine Man but with a British accent, and the daughter went on to possess a sock puppet…can’t pin point my finger on it…
hhmm....I wonder who
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Yee…he’s probably Horrid, or a Danger, or a Stickman…hmm.
Best FNAF Fan Game(s) ever, love to see it's still relevant
I think Jack's body contains Jack's good side and Blackjack contains his selfish side
This means that after the fire of dsaf 3 the Jack that we play is go to the afterlife like Blackjack
Hello there old sports!
I remember you delicious half priced meal!
Finally, something from this channel thats the kind of content i subbed for.
I dont know much about these games, though it added just saying “thank” in my vocabulary from giving Bonnie his face back in the first one so it’s peak
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Same here, although I think its from the second game
Wooo! 100 vids of FNAF! Congratulations lol. When I saw this I was so confused and thought it was an old video I haven’t watched, so when I saw the upload time I was shocked. Like damn, just as I was getting back into DSAF?
I found your channel through your DSAF content. Your essay about Jack and Blackjack pretty much inspired me back in my first phase of DSAF and got me to subscribe and start diving deeper into DSAF and analyze it. Eventually I did let the interest rest but earlier this week I ended up rekindling my love for DSAF and decided to watch these two essays again. I can’t believe you remastered it today! Here’s to all your future essay videos! They’re always so interesting to watch! 🎉
Woah! Happy 100th fnaf vid! You already know I love your vids 🖤
Happy 100. Essay ImNotReal. I love your videos, and I wish you the best!
I've been very down today but this made my day. Thank you
Ayyy happy 100th Fnaf Essay Video!!!! 🎉🎉
Lovely video as always. ^u^
This video made me see Dave and Jack in a new perspective! I know that both of them are quite flawed (And well, child murderers) but until now I wasn't quite able to put into words what their flaws really were, just some minor traits like Jack not feeling guilt in any path that he follows.
I really liked when you did this with the FNAF M-preg story, remaking it because i did like watching those videos they were watchable but could use a touch up so i think it would be a shame to let them sit there not being picked up in the algorithm because they are outdated by your current video standards
(What I’m about to say is spoilers for the MegaMan series, but it goes along with my point…I also just really wanna talk about this because I think it’s funny)
Using immortality as a punishment in stories is such a strange and interesting topic for me. When some stories do it, I find it kinda annoying that the characters are this dumb, while when others do it, I find it hilarious because the characters think it’ll work. One of my favorite examples is Dr. Weil from MegaMan Zero.
Someone so evil he single-handedly made a war worse than both Dr. Wily and Sigma, all for revenge, and for complete obedience to him. He was later put into a painful regen suit that gave him immortality, and his memories converted into data, so he can never forget his crimes…all this did was make him even more jaded, power hungry, and sadistic, and now he’s basically immortal so you can’t just kill him to stop him.
Here is literally a line he says in the game. “The desire for power. The joy of making everything work for you. You have no way of experiencing this without a human brain. It's the ultimate joy! No mere Reploid could ever understand!” This man is so evil is hilarious.
GOD I love this video sm... thank you fore your service
Well done on 100 essays! It's a joy whenever I hear a new one
Also thanks to this essay I can understand why I always wanted to give Steven a huge hug playing DSaF 3
Happy 100th video! 🥂Here's to another 100!!
While I'm not sure if the Flipside's existence implies that all endings are somewhat canon at the same time, it _is_ implied that Jack did commit murders at some points and other acts of vandalism (like blowing up urinals), maybe even alongside or in parallel to Dave and even Henry. After all, Jack and Dave have been in many more Freddy's locations beyond the first two games, they definitely butted heads/teamed up multiple times.
It's something that's blamed on him lacking a soul - because of that, he's apathetic, conscience-less, and in a constant state of ennui. It's the explanation for him acting at the player's whim, he just does whatever he feels like doing, because besides his promise to the Real Fredbear, he doesn't really have any moral compass to hold him down.
It's interesting because it's never very clear if he tries to save the souls of everyone because he truly wants to, or simply because he wants to keep a promise. I think we can compare him to Phil Connors, the protagonist of Groundhog's Day. Both are stuck in a situation beyond their control that renders them immortal, both indulge in their own desires and act simply for their amusement, both try to play God at some point or another, become cynical, and eventually try to use their situation to become good, first to try and meet some objective, but later (and hopefully in Jack's case as well) out of their own selfless volition.
But yeah, honestly, thanks for showing how... insensitive and biased Jack can be at some points. Some of these points honestly did fly over my head. Honestly, it shows that he's no "messiah" of sorts in the series. He's just a guy who does his best in the best way he knows, but who still stumbles in many places.
And yes, BlackJack is definitely a character with a worse personality than Sportsy. I know that he probably became incredibly jaded and cynical, even more so than the Tangerine Man, due to the years of solitude as a stray soul, ruminating on his mistakes and bad choices, being even more disconnected from everyone in general... but damn, talk about acting entitled. For being a soul, he lacks even more empathy than the husk Jack.
I found out about DSAF about half a year ago and fell in love in this game
(I also got my partner into the fandom)
That was very informative I actually had no idea about this fan series. In fact the first time I ever heard the name "Dave Miller" in FNAF was in a fanfiction. I'm sure you can guess which one.
IVE BEEN WAITING!!! I'm so happy you talked about dsaf!!!
Seeing you revisit DSAF is amazing