Firstly, I am a "straight" evangelical Christian who seeks to wait upon the Lord Jesus, carrying too great a debt of sin ever to be paid except through the sacrificial death of the Risen Christ. I earnestly feel it must be said, the sin of hypocrisy and judgementalism is most unequivocally the Unforgivable sin. Jesus doesn’t mention same sex sexual behaviour once in His entire ministry in spite of its cultural prevalence in the adjacent Roman and Greek cultures of the time. He warns of eternal jepoardy (as does Paul) solely in terms of the "leaven of the Pharisees" -- the supposed guardians of moral heritage -- far more vehemently. It's strange that although evangelicals often point to Levitical and Pauline edicts on homosexuality as foundational, yet neither mentions female same sex relationship, only "unnatural /animal" passions between woman and..? not clear cut at all. Why not incontrovertible if this matter is supposed to be a closed case? Other strictures regarding women's conduct are clearly set out particularly about hygiene and propriety. It couldn't possibly be that same sex coercion, ritual promiscuity and violence are far more likely on the masculine side of the equation due to men's penetrative physical characteristics? making the admonitions far more likely to refer to forceful and cruel /promiscuous behaviour than simply "relationships". (Nevertheless those who are tolerant in the same sex issue should not offend those who can't handle Gods grace in tough theological situations by throwing around their theories and ideas dogmatically and insensitively: "Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself" - Romans 14). Matthew 12 is a warning to let Jesus cast out the demons we are incapable of dealing with - particularly if our self righteous doctrinaire orthodoxy thinks it can decide for Him how He does this, WE are in jeopardy of judgement - not the sinner! "Beware the leaven of the Pharisees". Pray those you disagree with, or whose practices you cannot accept, into the Kingdom. Lead them to Jesus as you would ANY sinner and let Christ rescue them His way and in His time. The law is clearly far more about adultery and promiscuity not simplistically orientation. And the most serious sins of all? Presumption, hypocrisy, judgmentalism. Beware.
@@harrellambert7607 no one has yet addressed any of the specific points raised in the above post. The Pharisees would not answer Jesus questions. Because they only sought to condemn not to bring compassion. "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and plenteous in mercy" "Let those without sin cast the first stone" blessings in your searching in submission to Him
@@mikebluarmy2 Your post is very long and complicated.... Let me address one specific point. Jesus did address it when he indicated that marriage is to be between one man and one woman. That means all other variations are a sin. BTW, the woman caught in adultery was told "Go and sin no more." Forgiveness is available if we will repent... But forgiveness is not available to those who would persist in unrepentant sin.
There are many reasons people get into bondage here as with other issues or expressions of idolatry… but there are no excuses with God. Repentance and the new birth are simultaneous in Gods drawing one to Himself…that is the beginning of a new life in Christ toward holiness in our lives. That involves Gods commitment toward the believer from that new beginning and does not mean one is immediately freed from a particular struggle though some are. Every person outside of Christ is held to the requirements to repent and believe as one who is in Christ to follow Him and obey whatever that involves in ones personal life. We go from bending into our sin, to learning to stand and walk uprightly, no victimhood excuses. As a Father, God brings discipline and training.
I will be discussing these topics, same attractions and how Christians live with them
God does not tolerate sin
Firstly, I am a "straight" evangelical Christian who seeks to wait upon the Lord Jesus, carrying too great a debt of sin ever to be paid except through the sacrificial death of the Risen Christ. I earnestly feel it must be said,
the sin of hypocrisy and judgementalism is most unequivocally the Unforgivable sin. Jesus doesn’t mention same sex sexual behaviour once in His entire ministry in spite of its cultural prevalence in the adjacent Roman and Greek cultures of the time. He warns of eternal jepoardy (as does Paul) solely in terms of the "leaven of the Pharisees" -- the supposed guardians of moral heritage -- far more vehemently. It's strange that although evangelicals often point to Levitical and Pauline edicts on homosexuality as foundational, yet neither mentions female same sex relationship, only "unnatural /animal" passions between woman and..? not clear cut at all. Why not incontrovertible if this matter is supposed to be a closed case? Other strictures regarding women's conduct are clearly set out particularly about hygiene and propriety.
It couldn't possibly be that same sex coercion, ritual promiscuity and violence are far more likely on the masculine side of the equation due to men's penetrative physical characteristics? making the admonitions far more likely to refer to forceful and cruel /promiscuous behaviour than simply "relationships".
(Nevertheless those who are tolerant in the same sex issue should not offend those who can't handle Gods grace in tough theological situations by throwing around their theories and ideas dogmatically and insensitively: "Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself" - Romans 14).
Matthew 12 is a warning to let Jesus cast out the demons we are incapable of dealing with - particularly if our self righteous doctrinaire orthodoxy thinks it can decide for Him how He does this, WE are in jeopardy of judgement - not the sinner! "Beware the leaven of the Pharisees". Pray those you disagree with, or whose practices you cannot accept, into the Kingdom. Lead them to Jesus as you would ANY sinner and let Christ rescue them His way and in His time. The law is clearly far more about adultery and promiscuity not simplistically orientation. And the most serious sins of all? Presumption, hypocrisy, judgmentalism. Beware.
Mike, I assume your position is that it should be an agree to disagree issue. I disagree. The homosexual lifestyle is sinful. Do you agree?
@@harrellambert7607 no one has yet addressed any of the specific points raised in the above post. The Pharisees would not answer Jesus questions. Because they only sought to condemn not to bring compassion. "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and plenteous in mercy" "Let those without sin cast the first stone" blessings in your searching in submission to Him
@@mikebluarmy2 Your post is very long and complicated.... Let me address one specific point. Jesus did address it when he indicated that marriage is to be between one man and one woman. That means all other variations are a sin. BTW, the woman caught in adultery was told "Go and sin no more." Forgiveness is available if we will repent... But forgiveness is not available to those who would persist in unrepentant sin.
The video discusses your main point ("Jesus doesn't mention same sex sexual behaviour") from 27:25 onwards.
There are many reasons people get into bondage here as with other issues or expressions of idolatry… but there are no excuses with God. Repentance and the new birth are simultaneous in Gods drawing one to Himself…that is the beginning of a new life in Christ toward holiness in our lives. That involves Gods commitment toward the believer from that new beginning and does not mean one is immediately freed from a particular struggle though some are. Every person outside of Christ is held to the requirements to repent and believe as one who is in Christ to follow Him and obey whatever that involves in ones personal life. We go from bending into our sin, to learning to stand and walk uprightly, no victimhood excuses. As a Father, God brings discipline and training.
She couldn't make it in her own country so she comes to America with the intent on rearranging it to benefit her. Greed! All in the name of self.
unrepentant sinners is a joke to the lord.