Some thing I realized was that the hex and all of this stuff would’ve never happened if they just gave vision a funeral. If you look back at WandaVision you would see that Wanda begged Hayward to give Vision a funeral but he refused, and so all of this happened. She just wanted him to rest in peace, but now she will never get that, because they made him into white vision.
Yeah, and what makes that worse is it wasn't an accident. Hayward was manipulating her to get what he wanted, caused a disaster, then he (and Agatha) kept making it worse.
Yes. Finally someone understands. Like she didn’t go to westview with a malicious plan. She went there to see the house. And all her pain suddenly irrupted and caused the hex
IKR, how could I *possibly* consider Wanda bad when Lizzie's acting so good? ♥🧙♀ I'm straight, but at the same time, I was grinning so hard & my heart was fluttering during her speech at Kamar-Taj, and by the time I walked out of the theater I'd concluded that I'd let her dominate me. 😆
@@ribottostudio I hate when people say their not real as if she didn't go into real labor in WV, weather a construct or not, everything in her Hexs are real, and although they may not yet exist in 616 they do in other realities, which make them real, like duuuuhhhhh
@@yoyomayne it's kinda sad how people don't realize it wasn't just her playing with dolls. They're a part of her, birthed through her magic. If anything, they're more real to her than some kids are to us in real life.
@@ribottostudio narcissistic? she literally fuckinttffn tried to kill AND KILL her own lover to save people omg ?????? Did everyone forget about what she went through????
Also, Ash, fun fact, Elizabeth Olsen said in an interview that the STOP IT line happened by accident, one of the kids actually hit her in the face and she kinda snapped (it had been a real long day of shooting and they were all tired apparently)
Na so the “stop it” was in the script but she felt herself getting agitated and thought she should use that to yell the line at the kids so it’s more authentic but she felt so bad after for doing that to them
I love how the throughout the film you can see Wanda always at the brink of crying. There just this amount of sadness in her eyes that just captures what she feeling
I think it’s because the illuminati never knew the power of wanda since wanda decided to be with her kids and she never used her powers?? idk just my theory
The Illuminati was more concerned abt our dr strange bc their dr strange cause an incursion that would destabilize their own universe and then the multiverse
@@enchanted6007 "most fun I've ever had, and I'll do it over and over and over again if I could 😍" 👍Hey, as long as you ain't hurtin' any1 and it is between consenting adults, do what makes ya happy.
There's a reason they haven't announced any future plans for Lizzie in the MCU. She broke her back carrying this entire movie, and they've got to wait for her to recover.
@@vladicgrabot6019Still, her acting is so much better and her interpretación just opaque every other character, if should have been a less difference, idk maybe him getting 7M and her getting 5M
I refuse to believe that Wanda is dead until I see a body, even then, maybe not. I think that they left her "death" ambiguous enough for another director to undue it if they need her for future movies or TV (possible for Young Avengers).
She still has a contract with marvel i think theyll do the whole young avengers things in the comics shes missing and billy and tommy with the other ypung avengers look for her but she has like no memory so that might happen also with agatha series coming and introducing wiccan to the mcu she would be reveal to be alive or even appear in it
When she said: 'what mouth?' I screamed in the theaters 🥰 I never loved a villain so much. I will say the story was a little.. off compared to what's expected of Marvel, but I liked the movie enough to watch it
I could hardly watch that part tbh, it made me so unsettled lol! But it's gives you the perfect emotions in that moment I was shocked for the whole scene!
"the story was a little.. off compared to what's expected of Marvel" meaning it's trash you can say if you don't like a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie lol THEY OUTRIGHT SAY "hey what are you gonna do when you get your kids are you gonna kill their mother?" AND WANDA HAS NO ANSWER CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY THAT. Writers literally wtf.
"This should have been a Wanda movie with Dr. Strange in it." I COMPLETELY agree. I really did love the visuals and the acting, but come on...she completely overshadowed and overpowered literally every individual in this movie. Did I love it? YES. Does the hero need to win every time? NO. But come on either make it her movie or or at least give a little more of a fight for her. This whole movie was just too easy for her. She lost only because she basically chose to. Despite all that....I mean I did still love it. I do still love her. She's definitely still mother. But come onnnnnnnnnnn.
"This should have been a Wanda movie with Dr. Strange in it." 😎 I disagree. But actually couldn't care less. The only reason why I respond here simply is to clarify that I, *Tricky D,* do not belong to the silent majority, cauz: 1) I rarely belong to the majority. 2) I'm never silent anywayz.
@@TrickyD why do you disagree ? i actually would like to hear your opinion. because even if it wasn't a wanda movie it could be an america movie instead, since she's the mc thats being introduced.
@@guillaumest-germain5887 "Help what was that speech. You think you're special?" 😏LoL I don't just think I'm special, I KNOW I'm special. I've recently learned that I'm highly gifted, thus neurodivergent -aka- like a savant.
Can we please talk about how mfing Clint went on a killing spree when his spouse and kids died???? AND was forgiven IMMEDIATELY meanwhile Wanda blows herself up! 🙄
The stop it wasn't improvised. When she was filming, the toy hit her and she used it to get into the scene more. She wasn't actually mad at the kids either.
"Y'all are just never happy are you?" FACTS!!!! Twitter is just nothing but negativity towards the MCU rn like please just be glad we're still getting movies and shows at this rate.
@@Thatdoginme_m3 Nope people have super high expectations for every new movie as well as a bunch of theories that definitely have to happen. There’s a reason that many fans hate the movie initially, revisit it and then love it for what it is.
It's a small group of malcontents trashimg Disney and the MCU over the "woke agenda". They're just very loud and very persistent, and the media amplifies their negativity for ratings.
@@stcphens508 if she didn't change her mind at the end, she would've gotten everything she'd wanted throughout the movie, but she chose to close the darkhold, she got what she wanted in that moment. There's no winner or loser in this instance but if you have to choose one, it's obviously wanda. The others only survived to tell the tale.
@@shi.survives.somehow stephen ended up in the movie unscathed with his future hot wife. and we can see that wanda’s tantrum had absolutely zero impact on him. now wanda’s under a ton of rocks after what she was searching for for 2 years rejected her..😭 her own “kids” didn’t want her -> she couldn’t bear it and killed herself. but sure she’s totally not the loser in this scenario
It was actually discussed that whenever she got hungry, a portal would randomly pop up showing her food and she would take it and the portal would close.
People's reactions deffinetely would be so different than their reactions to Wanda if it was Strange instead. And it actually was when he destroyed the universe in What if for Christine people didn't get this mad at him lol
@@leydiespinoza309 NO... I literally don't and will never understand ppl who defend that kind of behavior..... Nothing will justify what they did, hell I even can't stand the fact that cap stayed with Carter in the past risking fucking the whole timeline UP
People didnt got mad at him cuz he payed for his consequences while wanda gets away with alot of shit also strange kinda redemed himself by saving the multiverse while i bet my life wanda is coming back cuz even kevin feige hinself stated that there is a high chance
Please consider watching "Everything, Everywhere, All at Once." It also circles around the concept of multiverses but does a greater job in exploring it unlike other movies. It also have high ratings from critics so I really think you'll have a wonderful time watching it.
I just wanna point out that in the comics Wanda has said "something as trivial as death couldn't keep me away for long" before dying *then" coming back not too long after...but without memories...idk if that's the direction marvel would take especially since Elizabeth Olsen has been playing this character for like the better part of a decade, and contracts and stuff, but I hope we get to see our Dark Mother™ again soon
I'm not even a horror fan but the horror aspects were my favorite parts of this movie, they felt so fresh and were so well done. I loved this movie but I am a Wanda stan so are we surprised?
I feel so validated by your love for Wanda like, I just see us watching this together and squealing over Wanda together honestlyyyyy! She can do no wrong and will do no wrong 😌👸🏻💅🏻 I love her story and her complexity and I need a solo movie about her like rIGHT NOW
PS I don't know if you ever watch edits but my last two videos are Wanda ones and it would be so cool if you checked them out 👀 Only if you'd like to though, so no worries otherwise! Okay going back to your WandaVision reactions now which are my absolute favourite 🥺
I understand that the book corrupted her, and I would probably not be as angry if it was some other character, because she is my favorite character. I don't think it was done in the right way. In Wandavision she decides to be selfless and to let people go despite knowing she will lose the family she created. And then one scene of reading a book and now she is a full blown villain. Maybe if we had more scenes of her being corrupted in Wandavision, or her having a motive to save her children in other reality, maybe hearing their cries and pain. This way she tries to steal them from their actual mother and will k!ll anyone who tries to stop her. She looks really unlikeable. I would understand if the corruption of the book would make her be willing to sacrifice someone else to save her kids, which is something she wouldn't do in Wandavision, but this escalated a lot very quickly. She comes literally villainized as being a "hysteric woman". That is so not where Wanda should be at this point. Comic book Wanda had unhinged moments, but I think they should be narratively built up. Even if we have seen some signs in the past, like the siege of Westview, the mental deterioration feels so narratively unsatisfying. I'm feeling like I'm watching Daenerys Targaryen all over again. This kind of thing could work in a book, because the pacing allows you to flesh out instability, but the movie had it too rushed for narrative purposes. I understand that mental illness IRL can just display one day with no explanation, but in fiction it needs to make sense to the consumer and it needs to be built over time.
This exactly. I love a dark character, but it felt forced and pushed. Also I'm so sick of the "superhero woman going insane, turning evil and then dying" trope (ofc we don't know if she died, but if you only watch this movie, then it looks like that). I'm all for bad-ass Wanda and wouldn't mind seeing her having to fight with getting corrupt by the book. But how come Strange is totally okay with the powers in the post credit scene while Wanda turned mad? That, I'm not here for
i agree. like after all that wanda went through it is a reasonable idea that she would be this vengeful, but based on the way they were displaying wanda, it seemed that she wasn't on that path. like even just a quick monologue stating that she tried to fake it till you make it/ be the bigger person and then finally snapped. i just feel like we never saw her snapping.
they’ve been building to this since pietro died. wanda was literally a villain for most of that movie so it shouldn’t be so surprising that she has villainous tendencies, especially after being corrupted by the darkhold. they definitely should have done a scarlet witch solo film before this but it still connects to wandavision just fine imo and she was the best thing about this movie honestly
@@Noah-bp4gu in wandavision she did let them go but wasn't fully over them. The large amount of trauma she had faced till that point couldn't be processed in such a short duration, and she would have if the darkhold hadn't hold of her. While i agree that her development felt rushed but we see exactly how she has been corrupted by Darkhold, with every action she takes and every line she speaks it is all Darkhold's influence. It tells her the end justfies the means and her actions are justified as she is a "mother". That is why she feels so flawed because she is supposed to be because of darkhold
I loved this movie, sure it has its flaws (especially the writing) but i had a great time and i loved the horror elements, and Lizzie was amazing as the Scarlet Witch (i really hope she isn't dead.). I just wish it was more a Dr Strange movie, but i'm excited for a 3rd movie especially with Clea being there now!
While Wanda is most definitely a main character here, I think far too many people are missing the very clear character development Strange has from beginning to end. It’s a character study in a lot of ways for him when you really analyze it deeper. The consistent theme being about “holding the knife”. One of the most important scenes in the film no one mentions is the conversation between Strange and Dr. West at the beginning. West mentions how although yes everyone from the snap was brought back, he provided a very personal and humane look at how the snap effected people. He said that in the time he was gone, he lost people in his family (including his cats lol). And he shows that the everyday person in the MCU could look at the events very differently, wondering if it DID have to happen that way. This is where Strange’s journey across the multiverse meeting/learning about his other variants comes in. They serve as a self reflection for Strange as a character to grow beyond them at the end. The contrast between Defender Strange going to kill America for her power, but our Strange doesn’t. Illuminati Strange doing what he felt was “the only way” to defeat Thanos, resulting in the Annihilation of a whole universe. And then Sinister Strange as well. All these variants provide a deep self reflection for his character, the choices he makes, and how to grow BEYOND his variants. Realizing that he doesn’t always have to hold the knife. Of course Wanda is amazing as well and had a lot of development cuz well, she’s the co Star and main antagonist lol. But the point is, Strange has clear development from beginning to end, which is also exemplified through him bowing to Wong. Yes Strange was humbled in many ways in the first film, but he’s always still had that arrogance about him. And clearly after coming back, he hasn’t been content with his place in the universe with Wong as Sorcerer Supreme and not him. He had multiple instances in NWH and MoM where he appeared clearly annoyed about it, and thus didn’t follow ancient customs. But yet at the end of MoM, he shows more humility and contentment than ever by bowing to Wong. This comment has become way too long, but I just wanted to provide some of how I interpreted this film 🤣
@@rileyribble6733 I agree with you. I am not really an MCU fan, and I had just watched the Everything, Everywhere All at Once, but I enjoyed the movie and loved Dr. Strange and Wanda's arcs. I agreed with Ashley's comments! I too wonder if people would have accepted Wanda's reasons if she had been a male antagonist. The theme of wishing for another life or circumstances was prevelant through the movie and I liked that. It was a nice break from bad guy take over the world or "genoicide because..." plotline.
Oh she's not dead. Whenever they don't show a character death onscreen, it's pretty much guaranteed they're alive somewhere out there. The fact that they won't confirm or deny also goes a long way with being certain of her survival.
@@justjoy6537 I've definitely found there is a lot of hate directed at most of the female protagonists in the MCU, which is strange given that the male protagonists tend to cause a lot more of the overarching issues within the films. People will bring up Westview and ignore that Tony and Bruce created Ultron.
@@rileyribble6733 This!!! I think too many MCU fans believe that character development has to make them more stronger/powerful but in this case Dr Strange in mentally getting stronger and learning to take a step back and allow others to take the weight aka 'hold the knife'.
Wanda really told strange she doesn't want to live on this planet anymore and meant it. Same queen. If false sitcom based delusions aren't working just yeet to a better universe with less drama. We stan
@@inchanted3179 The point is that Wanda endured some serious trauma at a formative age (losing her parents the way she did at 10 and spending 2 days staring down a live bomb expecting to be blown up at any second) and never had the opportunity to get therapy. Then losing her twin brother and only surviving family … also traumatically…then falling for Vision and planning a future with him, until - wait for it - losing him traumatically …twice…no wait …three times. Hence her reliance on maladaptive day dreaming. We see it in 10 year Wanda’s “it was just a bad dream” when she didn’t realize she was manifesting it and magically defusing a Tony Stark bomb all the way to creating a sitcom town where she and Vision could have their happily ever after and not realizing until late in the series that she actually physically manifested it all and was keeping a whole town in lock down for two weeks(Covid mood).
Wanda had me going through the emotions in this one. I can only imagine when she goes through a redemption arc, and she reflects on how many people she killed (Refuse to believe she is dead).
All she wanted was her kids back. She lost her parents, brother, lover them kids. She lost everyone she every loved, so I feel for her. She better not be dead cuz she is one of my comfort characters.
It’s worth noting the director has an iconic history in the horror world - Sam Raimi directed the Evil Dead movies, Drag Me To Hell, and has produced tons of horror movies such as Crawl. His superhero movies prior to this had horror elements brought in also (ESPECIALLY that one scene in Spider-Man 2), and this movie features tons of cameos, references and directing staples from his other movies, right down to the camera angles and even specific sound effects. Would absolutely LOVE to see Ashley watch some more of his stuff.
I really want Ash to react to Ms. Marvel because I love it as a teen show not a marvel show. Also, it’s why Wanda NEEDS to comeback to say her iconic line. “No more mutants.”
Ashley, have you seen Everything, Everywhere, All at Once? It came out literally *one* month before Multiverse of Madness & I already knew halfway through that would be a tough act to follow and it was. It made me laugh, it made me cry; it weirded me out, it reminded me why we stan Michelle Yeoh in this house. 🌌💞
I know it says "Doctor Strange" but let's be honest- this is Wanda's movie. The real title is Scarlet Witch: MOM 😂 I was rooting for her the entire time
"Wanda did what needed to be done. She should have done more." 🙄Ah, the *Hitler defense.* Many nazi-Germans also claimed that they did nothing wrong during WWII, simply because they were just following orders. 🤔I guess y'all believe that the end justifies the means?
Wanda broke bad so fast it was jarring. She JUST went through a major arc in WandaVision where she had to face her repressed grief by releasing her control of the people of Westview and letting go of her conjured family. It seemed like she was headed for a period of calmness and reflection after taking things way too far. You'd expect she would have learned something from her experiences, and tried to connect with another version of her family without going full Dark Willow. She has resourceful friends, after all, and she's pretty damn capable herself. But no, the next time we see her, she's fully corrupted by the Darkhold and hell bent on a demented plot to kill a kid so she can replace another version of herself. Like, what? We could have at least seen a couple of steps in that direction first. She could have teamed up with Dr. Strange for a while, and gone after America Chavez when she felt she had no other option. She didn't even try to ask her friends for help. It was just BAM! -- instant kill-crazy villain mode. (Not even a clever villain either, because she could have gone to Kamar-Taj with Dr. Strange at the beginning of the movie without revealing her intentions.) And then it turns out she's more in control than we thought, because the sight of her terrified kids brings her back to her senses just long enough to fridge herself. Dr. Strange 2 was a rushed and unsatisfying waste of a nuanced character. Wanda deserves better.
That is the how she is in the comics tho, Her trauma & instability is always her downfall. She doesn't deal with her emotions normally because she is not normal, She uses her infinite power to cheat her way out of feeling grief.
I completely agree with you! My biggest issue wasn't the idea of Wanda having a villain arc (I actually think it's very plausible that she could become a villainous character considering everything she's been through and the immense power she holds). My issue is how rapidly it spiraled into existence, especially after so much of Wandavision was about her actually dealing with her repressed emotions and all her grief. I also never quite felt like the movie established HOW the Darkhold influenced her - we're told that the Darkhold corrupts, but we're never shown it in a satisfying way. It would've been interesting to see a small flashback interlude set before the movie, with Wanda drifting further into madness due to the influence of dark magic, to at least establish that corruption taking hold.
@FuzzyWhisper 👍What Theresa Serrano said. Not bad................. 😉.........................for a girl, that is.* * I kid, I kid, you're 1 smart cookie Theresa Serrano. 🧠Whatever your gender is.
@@owlthebooks "especially after so much of Wandavision was about her actually dealing with her repressed emotions and all her grief." 😲Are you kiddin' me? *Wandavision* is all about *NOT* having delt with her repressed emotions and her grief. In other words: If Wanda had delt with her loss and actually grieved there would be no *Wandavision* at all. "we're told that the Darkhold corrupts, but we're never shown it in a satisfying way.* 👁👁 LoL Is there a ripple in the Matrix ea is this a deja vu? Again, are you friggin' kiddin' me? The whole season of *Wandavision* is how the Darkhold corrupted Wanda. Instead of grieving like any other normal human being, Wanda retreats into her own private bubble where Vision is still alive and she has 2 kids with him. At the end of *Wandavision* Wanda realises that her Vision & twins aren't real so *the Darkhold* whispers to her about the existence of the multiverse. That there is somewhere inthe multiverse a reality where Wanda actually has given birth to the twins. And that the only way for Wanda to reach the twins was through *America Chavez.*
Its called plot convenience..they needed her ro be suddenly a homicidal serial killer without a reason so they said reading a book made her magically instantly evil.... off screen mind you, THEN they needed the movie to be over so BLAM...shes chill again...TBH I think this movie was some male writers allegory to PMS...like blam shes evil for no reason and now blam shes back to normal...just the laziest none artful writing
"Every night, the same dream. And every morning, the same nightmare." describes every night that I fall asleep watching Ash with serotonin in my brain and each morning that I wait for Ash to upload. Thanks for the dream today, bestie!
Yes, Clea's makeup was great. Need a tutorial. (Clea becomes Dr Strange's wife in the comics. Her showing up fits with the theme of him moving on and allowing himself to be more open to love.)
Okay, so Ashley for what you need to know who Clea is (a.k.a. Charlize Theron's character) in the end credit scene, she is the niece of Dormammu, a sorceress, and goddess from the Dark Dimension and is one of Stephan's love interests (and became his wife) in the comics. Also a disciple and ultimate successor as Sorcerer Supreme. So we can expect their relationship, bond, and romance to happen coming up for the next movie!!
Ashley at MCU Twitter: "Y'all are just never happy, are you?"🤔😑 Girl you do NOT want to see the atom bomb that is Star Wars Twitter. It's so much worse than MCU it has its own subsection: The Fandom Menace. 😆😅
@@Slm99 Im sorry but how did MOM completely forget about Wandavision? Did u not watch the post credit scene of Wanda literally reading from the book of the damned and they literally explained how the book was corrupting her.
I would love to see a reaction of you for the movie "Everything Everywhere All at once" This movie is sooooo good and actually uses the concept of multiverse way better than Marvel ever did while being also hilarious, crazy and deeply touching :D
I looooved this movie, I know a lot of people thought it didn't reach the expectations but it did to me, cause all I wanted to see was Wanda on her maximum power destroying everything and everyone that comes on her way and that's exactly what we got. Also, in the end no one could actually stop her but herself, so that tells you about how powerful she is. I loved that.
When I watched Thore, Love and Thunder at the cinema, everyone was like "Yeah I kinda get the bad guy, they pissed him off and also he's possessed by dark magic" EVERYONE. He was kidnapping children and killing gods/heroes. AND he was a freshly new villain nobody really cared about. Why not the same treatment with Wanda??? Maybe because she's a mum and they're supposed to be angelic, otherwise they're unredeemable. PS. The mummy guy (I mean, even the NAME XD) was also a father and was ALSO doing all that s**t to get his daughter back... 🙄.
🖐The differnce between Gor and Wanda is that Gor sacrificed himself to bring his daughter back while Wanda was willin' to kill her variant to steal the twins. Gor ❤his daughter while Wanda is only selfish.
@@fyhwcu "Also makes it easier to hate Wanda with the fact that she enslaved an ENTIRE town, and made them experience HER nightmares 24/7" 🤔True, but Gor has done far worse: he killed gods and wasn't concerned at all to whatever happened to those civiliazations who depended on the gods he had just murdered. 😍But his redeeming quality is that he was willing to sacrifice himself so his daughter might live, which, so far, I've seen no evidence that Wanda is willing to do the same.
Personally the only thing i didn't like about the movie was that they didn't include as much multiversal travel as i wanted. Don't get me wrong i loved the movie, but i wanted to see more scenes of them jumping around in other universes. The one scene we got where they were going through multiple universes was absolutely amazing but i think we needed more of that in other parts of the movie. I think the reason I'm saying that is because the movie is called multiverse of madness yet we only actually saw 2 other universes, the one where they dropped with the iluminati and the one that had been destroyed by the incursion. (Also, the montage when mordo explains what dreamwalking is and then we see wanda do it was weird to me but i didn't dislike it).
Completely agree. If all you know her from is the movies, there's hardly anything to go on, and it's totally fair to be more or less over her at this point. But those of us who saw Agent Carter know that Haley Atwell deserves so much more to do with this character, and I really hope Captain Carter comes back in more projects.
Sam Raimi basically made a superhero Lifetime movie. A man or a woman has a past tragedy and now tries to replace the family they lost. They are so many movies like this.
you’re so right about the fact that nobody actually cared about her when she’s good and now they wanna attack her after EVERYTHING she’s been through plus! the fact that’s not even entirely her but it’s the darkhold corrupting her and making her a “villain”. wanda is a good person and she’ll never hurt innocent people willingly and on purpose, my mother needs the biggest hug ever and im so mad nobody was kind enough to give her a little comfort but her other self :(
heyyy, marvel fan here, and as a fan who has been watching these movies since phase 1, I completely understand your point. It annoys me when marvel fans say they want something new and when they get it, they aren’t satisfied. I don’t think every movie in phase 4 was great but Doctor Strange: MoM was definitely a high point for me. I love the direction and risks the movie took. Not every movie needs to be an event and ppl need to understand that.
"The weird thing with Marvel fans is that they want something different but then the second they get it, it's not ok" I'm a marvel fan and that was the moment I hit *Subscribe* you hit the nail on the head
13:24 I loved that scene and it made me cry because Billy and Tommy are my favorite characters(they are in young avengers that’s why they are my favorite) and seeing them as kids and them in this scene literally hurt me, they are so cute and Wanda not being able to have them is sad, all she wants is to be a mother
As a Wandavision stan like yourself. I’m still on the fence about this movie. i honestly think that everything Wanda went through in wandavision didn’t mean anything at the end of the day… i thought she was fine letting go of vision and her children. She made bad choices, she went to a dark place, she grieved, she triumphed. This just felt like she went right back to making bad choices And for some reason they let the darkhold be about her finding her kids. All that considered, it’s a good movie, but I feel like it could’ve done a better job explaining how her actions in this movie were due to the darkhold and that the OG Wanda was still in there.
Did you not see the post credit scene in wandavision where she was reading the darkhold, or watch this movie where it was clearly said that the Darkhold corrupts anyone who reads it. It literally explains it
@@ju12thdr ehhh, corrupts how? Like, is it whispering in her ear or is it literally controlling her actions? Like, why can't she use all this power to recreate her kids, instead of stealing different versions of her kids? Maybe that doesn't work, or goes wrong, and she winds up here eventually... But I agree it feels random after the context of WandaVision. Would've been way better as "Wanda Maximoff and the Madness of the Multiverse": like, she keeps failing to resurrect her kids, but she can hear them out there (which is what we kind of got at the end of WandaVision, except they were actually calling out for her help!). It slowly drives her insane, feeling like the less-badass 838 Wanda can't protect those kids or something, so she *has* to: she *deserves* to... And then we get some madness, but it actually makes better emotional sense? And if we get a reason why she's doing this, it could be way darker! Because she might *stop* being reasonable.
Most people: feels bad for 616 Wanda Me: feels bad for the Wanda that was possessed and after what happened with the illuminati, will probably face bad consequences.
The original Illuminati in Marvel Comics was Iron Man, Black Bolt, Doctor Strange, Mister Fantastic, Namor, and Professor X. They replaced Iron Man and Namor with Captain Carter and this alternate Maria version of Captain Marvel and Strange with Mordo.
I totally agree that people forget that it took 10 years to get to Infinity war and Endgame and people now expect every movie after it to be on that level. The first phase of the MCU also had its ups and downs and I like a lot of people forget that because it's been like 15 years since then
this is what i think they should’ve done: 1. this should’ve been a wanda solo movie, not a dr. strange movie. anything involving wanda after wandavision will have her be the main character and sideline everyone else, which is what happened. 2. she shouldn’t have been able to be corrupted by the darkhold, since her magic comes from the same place. i think it would’ve been cool if she thought her alternate self was doing bad things to her kids (connecting to the wandavision end credit of them asking for help) so she wanted America’s help to get to her and help them. what they actually did is the exact same thing that she JUST stopped agatha from doing (taking someone else’s power). if she thought her kids were in danger, she still could’ve done bad things to get to them, but it would’ve been for a good reason (not because they could get sick🙄 i’m looking at you michael waldron). through this we could’ve gotten to see her learning more about her powers, instead of jumping from her denying being a witch, straight to full knowledge 3. it should’ve ended with her learning about cthon, darkhold, and the castle (instead of them destroying the darkhold & castle immediately after introducing them??? like come on). then, after the fantastic 4 movie, they could lead into a second scarlet witch movie that adapts the Darkhold Saga, in which wanda and doctor doom are the only ones who can take down cthon (because the darkhold corrupted everyone else) and then wanda absorbed the darkhold, binding cthon to her soul and he can only be released in the case of her death, making her even more powerful. then, this could lead into a third scarlet witch movie (idk what yet) and then later the avengers movies that end the saga. thank you for coming to my ted talk some extra random thoughts if you want lol: 1. we deserved infinity war level strange fights against wanda, but instead we got him running away and a whole fleet of sorcerers using arrows and canons?? 2. most of the writing was really cringe, as well as a few of the directing choices (mainly transitions) 3. i don’t like how they made wanda’s powers look like a tiny little ball in each hand. it makes her look less powerful 4. the only thing we learned about strange the whole movie is that he still likes christine, which is weird since we haven’t heard a peep about her since the first dr. strange movie. we’ve been over her (or at least i have🤷🏻♂️) 5. i don’t like that wanda had to “die” or sacrifice herself. it doesn’t feel good for her character or story at all. like tony and natasha’s sacrifices meant something, to “fix” what they did in the past. besides this movie, when she was corrupted, bad things have only happened TO wanda, not BECAUSE of wanda. also, she JUST became full power!!! and i think its safe to assume she’s coming back, so what was the point? 6. if wanda supposedly “died” we should’ve gotten an end credit of agatha being released from her spell in westview 7. why was there not one single mention of pietro
@Sad B!tch yeah it would still be cool to see cthon mess with her. like what i said about her thinking her kids were in danger. and i don’t think it would’ve felt that quick paced, especially with how little time we got with the villains in the other solo movies (hela, yellowjacket, iron man villains, etc). and if she absorbed the darkhold/cthon, they would still technically exist, as would the castle. but i totally see where you’re coming from!! :)
@Sad B!tch yeah that sounds awesome!! it probably would’ve helped if i said not everything would have to come out in the same phase. like they could do what you said about her kids being reborn and then lead into young avengers
This is actually a really good idea, it would've given more depth to the story and to the character too. It would be less cliche in my opinion to just casually make Scarlet Witch be the "villain" as Michael Waldron wanted and then "killing" her off at the end like?? I think what they were doing in Dr. Strange was to expand on his character and to introduce America Chavez, giving her the spotlight but in the movie, they tried to juggle two different stories. Wanda's storyline and America Chavez figuring out her powers type of thing. It just didn't balance out well, it did not really work.
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Some thing I realized was that the hex and all of this stuff would’ve never happened if they just gave vision a funeral. If you look back at WandaVision you would see that Wanda begged Hayward to give Vision a funeral but he refused, and so all of this happened. She just wanted him to rest in peace, but now she will never get that, because they made him into white vision.
now that I think about you’re right, They kept taking from wanda and all she wanted was simple.
Yeah, and what makes that worse is it wasn't an accident. Hayward was manipulating her to get what he wanted, caused a disaster, then he (and Agatha) kept making it worse.
Yes. Finally someone understands. Like she didn’t go to westview with a malicious plan. She went there to see the house. And all her pain suddenly irrupted and caused the hex
What's gonna blow you're mind is that Tony Stark is responsible for all of this.
@@timlanteigne298 🤭The fact that I’ve been saying this for years. Tony is at fault for a lot of pain in wanda’s life
CANT HATE HER WHEN SHE IS JUST SO GOOD AT WHAT SHE DOES 😭
IKR, how could I *possibly* consider Wanda bad when Lizzie's acting so good? ♥🧙♀ I'm straight, but at the same time, I was grinning so hard & my heart was fluttering during her speech at Kamar-Taj, and by the time I walked out of the theater I'd concluded that I'd let her dominate me. 😆
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose girl... i have news for you
@@riveracosta8891 🤣🤣🤣
Period
Frrr!!
The way she whispers reasonable gives me chills EVERY. TIME.
if that's her being REASONABLE over fake children that don't exist Jesus Christ. No wonder people say she's narcissistic.
@@ribottostudio you rly missed the goal of WandaVision if you still think her kids aren't real
@@ribottostudio I hate when people say their not real as if she didn't go into real labor in WV, weather a construct or not, everything in her Hexs are real, and although they may not yet exist in 616 they do in other realities, which make them real, like duuuuhhhhh
@@yoyomayne it's kinda sad how people don't realize it wasn't just her playing with dolls. They're a part of her, birthed through her magic. If anything, they're more real to her than some kids are to us in real life.
@@ribottostudio narcissistic? she literally fuckinttffn tried to kill AND KILL her own lover to save people omg ?????? Did everyone forget about what she went through????
Elizabeth Olsen came to the WandaVision set looking for an Emmy, then came to the MoM set looking for an Oscar.
wish we could’ve gotten an actual Romani actress instead of that racist white woman you guys praise but I guess.
As she should
Also, Ash, fun fact, Elizabeth Olsen said in an interview that the STOP IT line happened by accident, one of the kids actually hit her in the face and she kinda snapped (it had been a real long day of shooting and they were all tired apparently)
Really? Hahah lmao. Do you remember what interview it was?
Na so the “stop it” was in the script but she felt herself getting agitated and thought she should use that to yell the line at the kids so it’s more authentic but she felt so bad after for doing that to them
I love how the throughout the film you can see Wanda always at the brink of crying. There just this amount of sadness in her eyes that just captures what she feeling
Wanda did no wrong in my eyes. i believe in women’s rights and i believe in women’s wrongs..
Same, I will forever stand defending her until my dying breath
not you from twitter again
Living for her, but those kids... let's just say I would travel the multivere to get away from them not to find them lol
Same
@@crimeyfruit5676 Ariana! what are you doing hereee?! 🤣
The way the illuminati were like "wE cAn hAnDle yOuR liTtlE wiTcH" and she finished them off in like 5 mins
ICONIC
Less than. like 3.5 mins
It was over before it started
I think it’s because the illuminati never knew the power of wanda since wanda decided to be with her kids and she never used her powers?? idk just my theory
The way l smiled like crazy the whole scene that she was killing them off lmaoo
its actually like 2 mins
The Illuminati was more concerned abt our dr strange bc their dr strange cause an incursion that would destabilize their own universe and then the multiverse
mommy wanda did nothing wrong she was just in her rep era
“They say I did something bad.”
@@G0dsPerfectldiot then why’s it feel so good????
@@daniellawrence200
"then why’s it feel so good????"
🤔 Cauz it was *xXx* rated?
@@TrickyD most fun I've ever had, and I'll do it over and over and over again if I could 😍
@@enchanted6007
"most fun I've ever had, and I'll do it over and over and over again if I could 😍"
👍Hey, as long as you ain't hurtin' any1 and it is between consenting adults, do what makes ya happy.
“but she’s a murderer!” AND…? she looked good, your honour
Alternate title: ashley thirsting over mommy wanda for 25 minutes straight
Literally same, Wanda is just the best
'all she had was mom jeans and a dream" LMFAO 🤣😭 so true honestly
Ashley SCREAMING "mother" every single time Wanda comes on screen is an accurate description of me watching this movie
Same
Cringe
how are we supposed to be against miss wanda when she’s so good at what she does? mother fr
mother of mothers if you will
Same way I feel about Madara Uchiha
But... but she's not a mother. She's a delusional (actual) psychopath.
But if a man like dr strange did what she did then he would be called a murderer?
@@to3sted248 What Strange did in What If Episode 4 is somewhat similar to what Wanda is doing, and we still love that Dr. Strange.
The fact that wanda had to stop herself because they literally couldn’t destroy her✋🏾😭 she’s so powerful
THAT'S SO WILD I LOVE THIS QUEEN
There's a reason they haven't announced any future plans for Lizzie in the MCU. She broke her back carrying this entire movie, and they've got to wait for her to recover.
“And y’all couldn’t get Wanda some chapstick 😬” Literally what I said at the theater lmfao
I love that’s the one thing on ur mind in that moment 😂
@@haq4128 20:50 🤭😂
I said the same thing when I was watching the movie Hackers. Nobody said stop the cameras and give Angelina Jolie some chapstick.
@@haq4128 Np 😂
THE FACT THAT LIZZIE WAS GIVEN ONLY 2M FOR THIS MOVIE AND BEN GOT 7 MIL IS CRAZY
LIKE WTF
OH U GOT ME FUCKED UP FR?
maybe because it’s a doctor strange movie and not a wanda movie 🤦♂️
@@vladicgrabot6019Still, her acting is so much better and her interpretación just opaque every other character, if should have been a less difference, idk maybe him getting 7M and her getting 5M
@@marcobc9461girl…”she’s a better actor” is not a reason lmfaoo he’s the title character
@@Butterfly-ll7mm but she carried though he was kinda irrelevant here
The way Lizzie Olsen carried this movie on her back. I screamed at “what mouth” 💀💀
the scream I scrumpt
The amount of times I kept saying to my friend “I support womans wrongs” every time Wanda came on screen when we saw it in theaters
I refuse to believe that Wanda is dead until I see a body, even then, maybe not. I think that they left her "death" ambiguous enough for another director to undue it if they need her for future movies or TV (possible for Young Avengers).
That’s like rule number one of storytelling: without a body, it ain’t dead. Sometimes even with a body… Wanda will be back, no doubts.
She still has a contract with marvel i think theyll do the whole young avengers things in the comics shes missing and billy and tommy with the other ypung avengers look for her but she has like no memory so that might happen also with agatha series coming and introducing wiccan to the mcu she would be reveal to be alive or even appear in it
When she said: 'what mouth?' I screamed in the theaters 🥰 I never loved a villain so much. I will say the story was a little.. off compared to what's expected of Marvel, but I liked the movie enough to watch it
I could hardly watch that part tbh, it made me so unsettled lol! But it's gives you the perfect emotions in that moment I was shocked for the whole scene!
That moment was the dumbest moment in the entire movie
My audible gasping and snapping enhanced the experience for those around me
It pissed me off
"the story was a little.. off compared to what's expected of Marvel" meaning it's trash you can say if you don't like a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie lol
THEY OUTRIGHT SAY "hey what are you gonna do when you get your kids are you gonna kill their mother?" AND WANDA HAS NO ANSWER CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY THAT.
Writers literally wtf.
“I always respected you for it but I could never love you for it” UGH what an under appreciated line
"This should have been a Wanda movie with Dr. Strange in it." I COMPLETELY agree. I really did love the visuals and the acting, but come on...she completely overshadowed and overpowered literally every individual in this movie. Did I love it? YES. Does the hero need to win every time? NO. But come on either make it her movie or or at least give a little more of a fight for her. This whole movie was just too easy for her. She lost only because she basically chose to.
Despite all that....I mean I did still love it. I do still love her. She's definitely still mother. But come onnnnnnnnnnn.
i agree with all this but they would need a big set-up to have a villain on par with the Scarlet Witch
"This should have been a Wanda movie with Dr. Strange in it."
😎 I disagree.
But actually couldn't care less.
The only reason why I respond here simply is to clarify that I, *Tricky D,* do not belong to the silent majority, cauz:
1) I rarely belong to the majority.
2) I'm never silent anywayz.
@@TrickyD why do you disagree ? i actually would like to hear your opinion. because even if it wasn't a wanda movie it could be an america movie instead, since she's the mc thats being introduced.
@@TrickyDHelp what was that speech. You think you're special?
@@guillaumest-germain5887
"Help what was that speech. You think you're special?"
😏LoL I don't just think I'm special, I KNOW I'm special.
I've recently learned that I'm highly gifted, thus neurodivergent -aka- like a savant.
not only has ash showed up with CONTENT, but she showed up with the fit and i love that for her and for her depressed internet children
Ash being like "HI MOTHER" to wanda is everything for me
Can we please talk about how mfing Clint went on a killing spree when his spouse and kids died???? AND was forgiven IMMEDIATELY meanwhile Wanda blows herself up! 🙄
Well one did it to criminals who didn't deserve to survive the snap. Wanda did it over kids who never existed. It's not really a comparison
@@Tainted_Human he still had no right or authority to straight up execute people because he was miserable, yet no one batted an eye
@@Tainted_Human still murder
@@Tainted_Human you can change the circumstances but it’s murder
@@Tainted_Human those criminals had families too
Fun Fact: The "Stop It!" Line was improved because when they were throwing one of the toys got her in the face and she snapped. But they kept it.
when does that line come up?
@@VanessaMerinox
When the boys was throwing toys at her.
@@VanessaMerinox 20:38
The stop it wasn't improvised. When she was filming, the toy hit her and she used it to get into the scene more. She wasn't actually mad at the kids either.
@@gingerdog8203 That's improv.
"Y'all are just never happy are you?" FACTS!!!! Twitter is just nothing but negativity towards the MCU rn like please just be glad we're still getting movies and shows at this rate.
The movies are bad tho. People wouldn't complain if they were well written.
@@Thatdoginme_m3 Nope people have super high expectations for every new movie as well as a bunch of theories that definitely have to happen.
There’s a reason that many fans hate the movie initially, revisit it and then love it for what it is.
how am i supposed to be happy if the movies just aren't that good
It's a small group of malcontents trashimg Disney and the MCU over the "woke agenda". They're just very loud and very persistent, and the media amplifies their negativity for ratings.
@@jacobobiora6110 maybe manage ur expectations 🤷🏽♂️ lol
Okay I like Doctor Strange, but the whole movie I was practically begging for Wanda to win and get what she finally wants.
so glad she never got it and never will ❤️
@@stcphens508 if she didn't change her mind at the end, she would've gotten everything she'd wanted throughout the movie, but she chose to close the darkhold, she got what she wanted in that moment. There's no winner or loser in this instance but if you have to choose one, it's obviously wanda. The others only survived to tell the tale.
@@stcphens508 Oh but she will, her kids are obviously joining the MCU as young avengers
@@shi.survives.somehow stephen ended up in the movie unscathed with his future hot wife. and we can see that wanda’s tantrum had absolutely zero impact on him. now wanda’s under a ton of rocks after what she was searching for for 2 years rejected her..😭 her own “kids” didn’t want her -> she couldn’t bear it and killed herself. but sure she’s totally not the loser in this scenario
@@KillingMachine56656 no shit?? it’s a joke and idc if they do she’ll probably end up losing them again anyway
i was rooting for wanda the entire time. every time she attacked i was cheering. like yes baby do your thing and make them pay!
We all went yasssss queeen
Sameee
Yup
thats… no comment.
ye make them pay! just like thanos did in infinity war, stupid heroes
12:04 no one ever notices that America just broke her own first rule: “you don’t know anything” and she just assumed she knew that food was free
The joke was that she’s been stealing food from a bunch of different universes without knowing, or at least that’s how I took it
It was actually discussed that whenever she got hungry, a portal would randomly pop up showing her food and she would take it and the portal would close.
@@Jackson-jd1um that is the joke 😭
@@Lina-vb7bm yeah I got media literacy not to show off
My fav part is that no one adresses the fact that a superhero just rob this man and then put a spell on him to beat himself up for fun
People's reactions deffinetely would be so different than their reactions to Wanda if it was Strange instead. And it actually was when he destroyed the universe in What if for Christine people didn't get this mad at him lol
Right?!? He LITERALLY destroyed the universe and everyone was sad and feel sorry for him
@@leydiespinoza309 NO... I literally don't and will never understand ppl who defend that kind of behavior..... Nothing will justify what they did, hell I even can't stand the fact that cap stayed with Carter in the past risking fucking the whole timeline UP
people risking something WAY bigger just for their own little life goals is dumb as fuck.
People didnt got mad at him cuz he payed for his consequences while wanda gets away with alot of shit also strange kinda redemed himself by saving the multiverse while i bet my life wanda is coming back cuz even kevin feige hinself stated that there is a high chance
People did get mad. Also he kinda saves the multiverse. Wanda just gets rid of one of MANY powerful objects across the multiverse
i will always defend wanda no matter what that’s MOTHER right there
Please consider watching "Everything, Everywhere, All at Once." It also circles around the concept of multiverses but does a greater job in exploring it unlike other movies. It also have high ratings from critics so I really think you'll have a wonderful time watching it.
yesss i need this
“Unlike other movies” the shade of it all 🤣
yesssss it's such a good movie
literally a masterpiece
Where?
I just wanna point out that in the comics Wanda has said "something as trivial as death couldn't keep me away for long" before dying *then" coming back not too long after...but without memories...idk if that's the direction marvel would take especially since Elizabeth Olsen has been playing this character for like the better part of a decade, and contracts and stuff, but I hope we get to see our Dark Mother™ again soon
It the comics, so many characters have come back to life 😂 just recently Dr Strange died in 616 and Clea became sorceress supreme
She’s gonna love Everything Everywhere All At Once
hope so!!
Yesssss
I wanna see her reacting to Waymond. Just hold on, had to weep abd sob just after saying his name 😭😀😀
THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA SAYYY
Yasss
Me in that scene of him waking up: Ugh he's such a daddy.
Ash: now, I know some of you sick bastards...
this is why I love this channel.
Listen.... he was flexing those biceps we can't deny it
lmao
I'm not even a horror fan but the horror aspects were my favorite parts of this movie, they felt so fresh and were so well done. I loved this movie but I am a Wanda stan so are we surprised?
illuminati: we can deal with your little witch
2 minutes later
legit dead
I feel so validated by your love for Wanda like, I just see us watching this together and squealing over Wanda together honestlyyyyy! She can do no wrong and will do no wrong 😌👸🏻💅🏻 I love her story and her complexity and I need a solo movie about her like rIGHT NOW
PS I don't know if you ever watch edits but my last two videos are Wanda ones and it would be so cool if you checked them out 👀 Only if you'd like to though, so no worries otherwise! Okay going back to your WandaVision reactions now which are my absolute favourite 🥺
SAME
ashley is like me i have the exact same personality
Same!!!!!
Same!!!!!
she fr had the best lines in this movie. what a queen honestly!
stephen and christine’s love story is actually so tragic
“i’ll love you in every universe” like cmon
"Face your fears" even if it means living without me. FAB
Only if you ignore that Stephen was kind of an ass both during and after their relationship.
Ashley having become a Wanda stan to point she (obsessively) calls her "Mother" is too iconic. 🥰
because she’s MOTHER!!
I understand that the book corrupted her, and I would probably not be as angry if it was some other character, because she is my favorite character. I don't think it was done in the right way. In Wandavision she decides to be selfless and to let people go despite knowing she will lose the family she created. And then one scene of reading a book and now she is a full blown villain. Maybe if we had more scenes of her being corrupted in Wandavision, or her having a motive to save her children in other reality, maybe hearing their cries and pain. This way she tries to steal them from their actual mother and will k!ll anyone who tries to stop her. She looks really unlikeable. I would understand if the corruption of the book would make her be willing to sacrifice someone else to save her kids, which is something she wouldn't do in Wandavision, but this escalated a lot very quickly. She comes literally villainized as being a "hysteric woman". That is so not where Wanda should be at this point. Comic book Wanda had unhinged moments, but I think they should be narratively built up. Even if we have seen some signs in the past, like the siege of Westview, the mental deterioration feels so narratively unsatisfying. I'm feeling like I'm watching Daenerys Targaryen all over again. This kind of thing could work in a book, because the pacing allows you to flesh out instability, but the movie had it too rushed for narrative purposes. I understand that mental illness IRL can just display one day with no explanation, but in fiction it needs to make sense to the consumer and it needs to be built over time.
This exactly. I love a dark character, but it felt forced and pushed. Also I'm so sick of the "superhero woman going insane, turning evil and then dying" trope (ofc we don't know if she died, but if you only watch this movie, then it looks like that). I'm all for bad-ass Wanda and wouldn't mind seeing her having to fight with getting corrupt by the book. But how come Strange is totally okay with the powers in the post credit scene while Wanda turned mad? That, I'm not here for
i agree. like after all that wanda went through it is a reasonable idea that she would be this vengeful, but based on the way they were displaying wanda, it seemed that she wasn't on that path. like even just a quick monologue stating that she tried to fake it till you make it/ be the bigger person and then finally snapped. i just feel like we never saw her snapping.
FUCKING PREACH IT. plus basically having a mentally ill woman be corrupted and lose her fight and then self sacrifice.... like... really....
they’ve been building to this since pietro died. wanda was literally a villain for most of that movie so it shouldn’t be so surprising that she has villainous tendencies, especially after being corrupted by the darkhold. they definitely should have done a scarlet witch solo film before this but it still connects to wandavision just fine imo and she was the best thing about this movie honestly
@@Noah-bp4gu in wandavision she did let them go but wasn't fully over them. The large amount of trauma she had faced till that point couldn't be processed in such a short duration, and she would have if the darkhold hadn't hold of her. While i agree that her development felt rushed but we see exactly how she has been corrupted by Darkhold, with every action she takes and every line she speaks it is all Darkhold's influence. It tells her the end justfies the means and her actions are justified as she is a "mother". That is why she feels so flawed because she is supposed to be because of darkhold
Ashley: "I'm sorry, *what* movie am I watching? Your body should NOT be moving that way!"
Sam Raimi: "I'm not a monster, Ashley, I'm a director." 😉
I loved this movie, sure it has its flaws (especially the writing) but i had a great time and i loved the horror elements, and Lizzie was amazing as the Scarlet Witch (i really hope she isn't dead.). I just wish it was more a Dr Strange movie, but i'm excited for a 3rd movie especially with Clea being there now!
While Wanda is most definitely a main character here, I think far too many people are missing the very clear character development Strange has from beginning to end. It’s a character study in a lot of ways for him when you really analyze it deeper. The consistent theme being about “holding the knife”. One of the most important scenes in the film no one mentions is the conversation between Strange and Dr. West at the beginning. West mentions how although yes everyone from the snap was brought back, he provided a very personal and humane look at how the snap effected people. He said that in the time he was gone, he lost people in his family (including his cats lol). And he shows that the everyday person in the MCU could look at the events very differently, wondering if it DID have to happen that way. This is where Strange’s journey across the multiverse meeting/learning about his other variants comes in. They serve as a self reflection for Strange as a character to grow beyond them at the end. The contrast between Defender Strange going to kill America for her power, but our Strange doesn’t. Illuminati Strange doing what he felt was “the only way” to defeat Thanos, resulting in the Annihilation of a whole universe. And then Sinister Strange as well. All these variants provide a deep self reflection for his character, the choices he makes, and how to grow BEYOND his variants. Realizing that he doesn’t always have to hold the knife. Of course Wanda is amazing as well and had a lot of development cuz well, she’s the co Star and main antagonist lol. But the point is, Strange has clear development from beginning to end, which is also exemplified through him bowing to Wong. Yes Strange was humbled in many ways in the first film, but he’s always still had that arrogance about him. And clearly after coming back, he hasn’t been content with his place in the universe with Wong as Sorcerer Supreme and not him. He had multiple instances in NWH and MoM where he appeared clearly annoyed about it, and thus didn’t follow ancient customs. But yet at the end of MoM, he shows more humility and contentment than ever by bowing to Wong. This comment has become way too long, but I just wanted to provide some of how I interpreted this film 🤣
@@rileyribble6733 I agree with you. I am not really an MCU fan, and I had just watched the Everything, Everywhere All at Once, but I enjoyed the movie and loved Dr. Strange and Wanda's arcs. I agreed with Ashley's comments! I too wonder if people would have accepted Wanda's reasons if she had been a male antagonist. The theme of wishing for another life or circumstances was prevelant through the movie and I liked that. It was a nice break from bad guy take over the world or "genoicide because..." plotline.
Oh she's not dead. Whenever they don't show a character death onscreen, it's pretty much guaranteed they're alive somewhere out there. The fact that they won't confirm or deny also goes a long way with being certain of her survival.
@@justjoy6537 I've definitely found there is a lot of hate directed at most of the female protagonists in the MCU, which is strange given that the male protagonists tend to cause a lot more of the overarching issues within the films. People will bring up Westview and ignore that Tony and Bruce created Ultron.
@@rileyribble6733 This!!! I think too many MCU fans believe that character development has to make them more stronger/powerful but in this case Dr Strange in mentally getting stronger and learning to take a step back and allow others to take the weight aka 'hold the knife'.
the thing is for me wanda HAS been here for a long time. marvel fans need to give this woman some respect! the delivery alone 😍
Wanda: "There will be someone left to raise them."
Me in the theater: "You fucking leave Susan out of this!"
LITERALLY moms supporting moms 2022
838 Mr. Fantastic didn't tell our Wanda that Susan Richards had a brother.
Wanda wants nothing more than to be with her kids and husband - puts the exact same scenario on another woman
@@connorberry6377 at least the widow is with her kids...lol
@@danielpeters2501 And?, that witch had no right to leave Sue and Franklin and Valeria a widow without their father
Wanda really told strange she doesn't want to live on this planet anymore and meant it. Same queen. If false sitcom based delusions aren't working just yeet to a better universe with less drama. We stan
I mean she was just following in Steve’s footsteps
@@zakabouelfaioud7653 true which wouldn't that cause an incursion?
you view her as a strongest character but I think she was the weakest since she can't even face the reality and wanted to escape from it
@@inchanted3179 The point is that Wanda endured some serious trauma at a formative age (losing her parents the way she did at 10 and spending 2 days staring down a live bomb expecting to be blown up at any second) and never had the opportunity to get therapy.
Then losing her twin brother and only surviving family … also traumatically…then falling for Vision and planning a future with him, until - wait for it - losing him traumatically …twice…no wait …three times.
Hence her reliance on maladaptive day dreaming. We see it in 10 year Wanda’s “it was just a bad dream” when she didn’t realize she was manifesting it and magically defusing a Tony Stark bomb all the way to creating a sitcom town where she and Vision could have their happily ever after and not realizing until late in the series that she actually physically manifested it all and was keeping a whole town in lock down for two weeks(Covid mood).
@@Pathfinder197 Point blank period!!
"This is like 90's cult horror." Yes, 100%. Sam Raimi dusted off his Evil Dead hat for this one and it shows. Love it.
Wanda had me going through the emotions in this one. I can only imagine when she goes through a redemption arc, and she reflects on how many people she killed (Refuse to believe she is dead).
All she wanted was her kids back. She lost her parents, brother, lover them kids. She lost everyone she every loved, so I feel for her. She better not be dead cuz she is one of my comfort characters.
It’s worth noting the director has an iconic history in the horror world - Sam Raimi directed the Evil Dead movies, Drag Me To Hell, and has produced tons of horror movies such as Crawl. His superhero movies prior to this had horror elements brought in also (ESPECIALLY that one scene in Spider-Man 2), and this movie features tons of cameos, references and directing staples from his other movies, right down to the camera angles and even specific sound effects.
Would absolutely LOVE to see Ashley watch some more of his stuff.
I really want Ash to react to Ms. Marvel because I love it as a teen show not a marvel show. Also, it’s why Wanda NEEDS to comeback to say her iconic line. “No more mutants.”
Ashley, have you seen Everything, Everywhere, All at Once? It came out literally *one* month before Multiverse of Madness & I already knew halfway through that would be a tough act to follow and it was. It made me laugh, it made me cry; it weirded me out, it reminded me why we stan Michelle Yeoh in this house. 🌌💞
YES!!!! IT IS RIDICULOUS AND DISGUSTING IN A GOOD WAY
that movie was SOOOOOO good.
The movie is honestly super entertaining and Multiverse of Madness wishes it was that.
If Ashley doesn't watch this I will riot
Favorite movie of the year HANDS DOWN
I know it says "Doctor Strange" but let's be honest- this is Wanda's movie.
The real title is Scarlet Witch: MOM
😂 I was rooting for her the entire time
Wanda did what needed to be done. She should have done more. I need her in every upcoming project. She’s the most interesting character
"Wanda did what needed to be done. She should have done more."
🙄Ah, the *Hitler defense.*
Many nazi-Germans also claimed that they did nothing wrong during WWII, simply because they were just following orders.
🤔I guess y'all believe that the end justifies the means?
ash need to watch everything everywhere all at once
same with shang chi :0
I also love that when he fixes the watch, he does it with his hands and tools, he doesnt just magic it fixed
The jokes, the editing, the unabashed praise. You gave us everything with this one.
when Wanda looked right at us was the moment I actually felt scared of her
Wanda broke bad so fast it was jarring. She JUST went through a major arc in WandaVision where she had to face her repressed grief by releasing her control of the people of Westview and letting go of her conjured family.
It seemed like she was headed for a period of calmness and reflection after taking things way too far. You'd expect she would have learned something from her experiences, and tried to connect with another version of her family without going full Dark Willow. She has resourceful friends, after all, and she's pretty damn capable herself.
But no, the next time we see her, she's fully corrupted by the Darkhold and hell bent on a demented plot to kill a kid so she can replace another version of herself. Like, what?
We could have at least seen a couple of steps in that direction first. She could have teamed up with Dr. Strange for a while, and gone after America Chavez when she felt she had no other option. She didn't even try to ask her friends for help. It was just BAM! -- instant kill-crazy villain mode. (Not even a clever villain either, because she could have gone to Kamar-Taj with Dr. Strange at the beginning of the movie without revealing her intentions.)
And then it turns out she's more in control than we thought, because the sight of her terrified kids brings her back to her senses just long enough to fridge herself.
Dr. Strange 2 was a rushed and unsatisfying waste of a nuanced character. Wanda deserves better.
That is the how she is in the comics tho, Her trauma & instability is always her downfall. She doesn't deal with her emotions normally because she is not normal, She uses her infinite power to cheat her way out of feeling grief.
I completely agree with you! My biggest issue wasn't the idea of Wanda having a villain arc (I actually think it's very plausible that she could become a villainous character considering everything she's been through and the immense power she holds). My issue is how rapidly it spiraled into existence, especially after so much of Wandavision was about her actually dealing with her repressed emotions and all her grief. I also never quite felt like the movie established HOW the Darkhold influenced her - we're told that the Darkhold corrupts, but we're never shown it in a satisfying way. It would've been interesting to see a small flashback interlude set before the movie, with Wanda drifting further into madness due to the influence of dark magic, to at least establish that corruption taking hold.
@FuzzyWhisper
👍What Theresa Serrano said.
Not bad.................
😉.........................for a girl, that is.*
* I kid, I kid, you're 1 smart cookie Theresa Serrano.
🧠Whatever your gender is.
@@owlthebooks
"especially after so much of Wandavision was about her actually dealing with her repressed emotions and all her grief."
😲Are you kiddin' me?
*Wandavision* is all about *NOT* having delt with her repressed emotions and her grief.
In other words:
If Wanda had delt with her loss and actually grieved there would be no *Wandavision* at all.
"we're told that the Darkhold corrupts, but we're never shown it in a satisfying way.*
👁👁 LoL Is there a ripple in the Matrix ea is this a deja vu?
Again, are you friggin' kiddin' me?
The whole season of *Wandavision* is how the Darkhold corrupted Wanda.
Instead of grieving like any other normal human being, Wanda retreats into her own private bubble where Vision is still alive and she has 2 kids with him.
At the end of *Wandavision* Wanda realises that her Vision & twins aren't real so *the Darkhold* whispers to her about the existence of the multiverse.
That there is somewhere inthe multiverse a reality where Wanda actually has given birth to the twins.
And that the only way for Wanda to reach the twins was through *America Chavez.*
Its called plot convenience..they needed her ro be suddenly a homicidal serial killer without a reason so they said reading a book made her magically instantly evil.... off screen mind you, THEN they needed the movie to be over so BLAM...shes chill again...TBH I think this movie was some male writers allegory to PMS...like blam shes evil for no reason and now blam shes back to normal...just the laziest none artful writing
out of all marvel films to be under the horror genre, im really happy it was dr strange, especially with wanda
As a comic nerd from birth, I cant wait for yall to see her future. She's already iconic in the MCU, but yall aint READY for how much better it gets
13:33 I'M CRYINNNNNNNNNG your editing is always on point Ash skdhaslkdh
"Every night, the same dream. And every morning, the same nightmare." describes every night that I fall asleep watching Ash with serotonin in my brain and each morning that I wait for Ash to upload. Thanks for the dream today, bestie!
Yes, Clea's makeup was great. Need a tutorial. (Clea becomes Dr Strange's wife in the comics. Her showing up fits with the theme of him moving on and allowing himself to be more open to love.)
Okay, so Ashley for what you need to know who Clea is (a.k.a. Charlize Theron's character) in the end credit scene, she is the niece of Dormammu, a sorceress, and goddess from the Dark Dimension and is one of Stephan's love interests (and became his wife) in the comics. Also a disciple and ultimate successor as Sorcerer Supreme. So we can expect their relationship, bond, and romance to happen coming up for the next movie!!
Ashley at MCU Twitter: "Y'all are just never happy, are you?"🤔😑
Girl you do NOT want to see the atom bomb that is Star Wars Twitter. It's so much worse than MCU it has its own subsection: The Fandom Menace. 😆😅
being both a harry styles fan and star wars fan with the rumour that harry is joining sw…. it’s rough
@@kenziecooper7028 OH
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THEYRE COMBINING
Again the criticism is legitimate especially with the whitewashing and how they just forgot about the show.
@@Slm99 Im sorry but how did MOM completely forget about Wandavision? Did u not watch the post credit scene of Wanda literally reading from the book of the damned and they literally explained how the book was corrupting her.
@@michaelappel103 They we’re repeating her story again.
I would love to see a reaction of you for the movie "Everything Everywhere All at once"
This movie is sooooo good and actually uses the concept of multiverse way better than Marvel ever did while being also hilarious, crazy and deeply touching :D
fun fact: in the scene where Wanda breaks the fourth-wall, she does that bc she has seen every universe including ours
I looooved this movie, I know a lot of people thought it didn't reach the expectations but it did to me, cause all I wanted to see was Wanda on her maximum power destroying everything and everyone that comes on her way and that's exactly what we got. Also, in the end no one could actually stop her but herself, so that tells you about how powerful she is. I loved that.
Ashley: "Chris-tine, OOOHHHH."
Me: *momentarily thinks Ash is vocalizing like we're in Phantom of the Opera* 😆
When I watched Thore, Love and Thunder at the cinema, everyone was like "Yeah I kinda get the bad guy, they pissed him off and also he's possessed by dark magic" EVERYONE. He was kidnapping children and killing gods/heroes. AND he was a freshly new villain nobody really cared about. Why not the same treatment with Wanda???
Maybe because she's a mum and they're supposed to be angelic, otherwise they're unredeemable. PS. The mummy guy (I mean, even the NAME XD) was also a father and was ALSO doing all that s**t to get his daughter back... 🙄.
🖐The differnce between Gor and Wanda is that Gor sacrificed himself to bring his daughter back while Wanda was willin' to kill her variant to steal the twins.
Gor ❤his daughter while Wanda is only selfish.
@@TrickyD Also makes it easier to hate Wanda with the fact that she enslaved an ENTIRE town, and made them experience HER nightmares 24/7
@@fyhwcu
"Also makes it easier to hate Wanda with the fact that she enslaved an ENTIRE town, and made them experience HER nightmares 24/7"
🤔True, but Gor has done far worse: he killed gods and wasn't concerned at all to whatever happened to those civiliazations who depended on the gods he had just murdered.
😍But his redeeming quality is that he was willing to sacrifice himself so his daughter might live, which, so far, I've seen no evidence that Wanda is willing to do the same.
It’s time for mom to react to everything everywhere all at once🥺
BEST FILM EVER
yes please now please thanks
Actually really liked that movie
Personally the only thing i didn't like about the movie was that they didn't include as much multiversal travel as i wanted. Don't get me wrong i loved the movie, but i wanted to see more scenes of them jumping around in other universes. The one scene we got where they were going through multiple universes was absolutely amazing but i think we needed more of that in other parts of the movie. I think the reason I'm saying that is because the movie is called multiverse of madness yet we only actually saw 2 other universes, the one where they dropped with the iluminati and the one that had been destroyed by the incursion. (Also, the montage when mordo explains what dreamwalking is and then we see wanda do it was weird to me but i didn't dislike it).
Yeah same,
I get it but you gotta think of budget
Wanda's wordless fourth wall break is the best one ever in the MCU.
I didn’t care about Peggy that much until I watched agent carter. It’s a must watch
Completely agree. If all you know her from is the movies, there's hardly anything to go on, and it's totally fair to be more or less over her at this point. But those of us who saw Agent Carter know that Haley Atwell deserves so much more to do with this character, and I really hope Captain Carter comes back in more projects.
SAME. That show was my absolute favorite for a while!
Agent Carter was so cool esp with Jarvis and Howard Stark but they do not be letting go of Agent Carter LOL
I loved Agent Carter !!!! I started watching her show around the time my love for Marvel had just started so she gotta special place in my heart 🥹🤍
That’s kind of the problem. Main universe Peggy is infinitely more interesting than Captain Carter.
I have never been so hyped about the word “reasonable” in my life!!
I love that she literally was like oh “is their mother still alive? “ like we love a evil witch mommy who also cares about random people’s children❤❤
Can we be blessed with an Everything Everywhere All at Once reaction/commentary 🙏🏼
Wanda's fully in her mother gothel arc and I'm here for it
Sam Raimi basically made a superhero Lifetime movie. A man or a woman has a past tragedy and now tries to replace the family they lost. They are so many movies like this.
you should totally watch Everything Everywhere All at Once... that one is a really multiverse movie
you’re so right about the fact that nobody actually cared about her when she’s good and now they wanna attack her after EVERYTHING she’s been through plus! the fact that’s not even entirely her but it’s the darkhold corrupting her and making her a “villain”. wanda is a good person and she’ll never hurt innocent people willingly and on purpose, my mother needs the biggest hug ever and im so mad nobody was kind enough to give her a little comfort but her other self :(
heyyy, marvel fan here, and as a fan who has been watching these movies since phase 1, I completely understand your point. It annoys me when marvel fans say they want something new and when they get it, they aren’t satisfied. I don’t think every movie in phase 4 was great but Doctor Strange: MoM was definitely a high point for me. I love the direction and risks the movie took. Not every movie needs to be an event and ppl need to understand that.
I RECOMMEND EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE I FEEL LIKE YOU'D ENJOY THAT MOVIE AS MUCH AS I DID
“If my kids sang that song I’d be like you’re not getting ice cream.” 😂
"The weird thing with Marvel fans is that they want something different but then the second they get it, it's not ok" I'm a marvel fan and that was the moment I hit *Subscribe* you hit the nail on the head
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I loved that scene and it made me cry because Billy and Tommy are my favorite characters(they are in young avengers that’s why they are my favorite) and seeing them as kids and them in this scene literally hurt me, they are so cute and Wanda not being able to have them is sad, all she wants is to be a mother
and the fact that I watched this movie on MOTHER'S DAY??? iconic 10/10 experience
Wandavision is Disney+s best series behind Ms Marvel
As a Wandavision stan like yourself. I’m still on the fence about this movie. i honestly think that everything Wanda went through in wandavision didn’t mean anything at the end of the day… i thought she was fine letting go of vision and her children. She made bad choices, she went to a dark place, she grieved, she triumphed. This just felt like she went right back to making bad choices And for some reason they let the darkhold be about her finding her kids. All that considered, it’s a good movie, but I feel like it could’ve done a better job explaining how her actions in this movie were due to the darkhold and that the OG Wanda was still in there.
omg agreed !
Did you not see the post credit scene in wandavision where she was reading the darkhold, or watch this movie where it was clearly said that the Darkhold corrupts anyone who reads it. It literally explains it
@@ju12thdr ehhh, corrupts how? Like, is it whispering in her ear or is it literally controlling her actions? Like, why can't she use all this power to recreate her kids, instead of stealing different versions of her kids? Maybe that doesn't work, or goes wrong, and she winds up here eventually... But I agree it feels random after the context of WandaVision. Would've been way better as "Wanda Maximoff and the Madness of the Multiverse": like, she keeps failing to resurrect her kids, but she can hear them out there (which is what we kind of got at the end of WandaVision, except they were actually calling out for her help!). It slowly drives her insane, feeling like the less-badass 838 Wanda can't protect those kids or something, so she *has* to: she *deserves* to... And then we get some madness, but it actually makes better emotional sense? And if we get a reason why she's doing this, it could be way darker! Because she might *stop* being reasonable.
@@ju12thdr exactly
Most people: feels bad for 616 Wanda
Me: feels bad for the Wanda that was possessed and after what happened with the illuminati, will probably face bad consequences.
The original Illuminati in Marvel Comics was Iron Man, Black Bolt, Doctor Strange, Mister Fantastic, Namor, and Professor X. They replaced Iron Man and Namor with Captain Carter and this alternate Maria version of Captain Marvel and Strange with Mordo.
OUR INTERNET MOM IS BACK !!! we love you ash
CHECK OUT EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE PLEASEEEEEEEEEE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
I totally agree that people forget that it took 10 years to get to Infinity war and Endgame and people now expect every movie after it to be on that level. The first phase of the MCU also had its ups and downs and I like a lot of people forget that because it's been like 15 years since then
this is what i think they should’ve done:
1. this should’ve been a wanda solo movie, not a dr. strange movie. anything involving wanda after wandavision will have her be the main character and sideline everyone else, which is what happened.
2. she shouldn’t have been able to be corrupted by the darkhold, since her magic comes from the same place. i think it would’ve been cool if she thought her alternate self was doing bad things to her kids (connecting to the wandavision end credit of them asking for help) so she wanted America’s help to get to her and help them. what they actually did is the exact same thing that she JUST stopped agatha from doing (taking someone else’s power). if she thought her kids were in danger, she still could’ve done bad things to get to them, but it would’ve been for a good reason (not because they could get sick🙄 i’m looking at you michael waldron). through this we could’ve gotten to see her learning more about her powers, instead of jumping from her denying being a witch, straight to full knowledge
3. it should’ve ended with her learning about cthon, darkhold, and the castle (instead of them destroying the darkhold & castle immediately after introducing them??? like come on). then, after the fantastic 4 movie, they could lead into a second scarlet witch movie that adapts the Darkhold Saga, in which wanda and doctor doom are the only ones who can take down cthon (because the darkhold corrupted everyone else) and then wanda absorbed the darkhold, binding cthon to her soul and he can only be released in the case of her death, making her even more powerful. then, this could lead into a third scarlet witch movie (idk what yet) and then later the avengers movies that end the saga. thank you for coming to my ted talk
some extra random thoughts if you want lol:
1. we deserved infinity war level strange fights against wanda, but instead we got him running away and a whole fleet of sorcerers using arrows and canons??
2. most of the writing was really cringe, as well as a few of the directing choices (mainly transitions)
3. i don’t like how they made wanda’s powers look like a tiny little ball in each hand. it makes her look less powerful
4. the only thing we learned about strange the whole movie is that he still likes christine, which is weird since we haven’t heard a peep about her since the first dr. strange movie. we’ve been over her (or at least i have🤷🏻♂️)
5. i don’t like that wanda had to “die” or sacrifice herself. it doesn’t feel good for her character or story at all. like tony and natasha’s sacrifices meant something, to “fix” what they did in the past. besides this movie, when she was corrupted, bad things have only happened TO wanda, not BECAUSE of wanda. also, she JUST became full power!!! and i think its safe to assume she’s coming back, so what was the point?
6. if wanda supposedly “died” we should’ve gotten an end credit of agatha being released from her spell in westview
7. why was there not one single mention of pietro
@Sad B!tch yeah it would still be cool to see cthon mess with her. like what i said about her thinking her kids were in danger. and i don’t think it would’ve felt that quick paced, especially with how little time we got with the villains in the other solo movies (hela, yellowjacket, iron man villains, etc). and if she absorbed the darkhold/cthon, they would still technically exist, as would the castle. but i totally see where you’re coming from!! :)
@Sad B!tch yeah that sounds awesome!! it probably would’ve helped if i said not everything would have to come out in the same phase. like they could do what you said about her kids being reborn and then lead into young avengers
This is actually a really good idea, it would've given more depth to the story and to the character too. It would be less cliche in my opinion to just casually make Scarlet Witch be the "villain" as Michael Waldron wanted and then "killing" her off at the end like?? I think what they were doing in Dr. Strange was to expand on his character and to introduce America Chavez, giving her the spotlight but in the movie, they tried to juggle two different stories. Wanda's storyline and America Chavez figuring out her powers type of thing. It just didn't balance out well, it did not really work.