SOLIDWORKS SHEET METAL - What is K-FACTOR?

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  • In today's power moves #tootalltoby shares a #sheet #metal #tutorial on what #bend #deduction #bend #allowance and #k-factor all do - and how these tools can help you calculate a sheet metal flat pattern length.
    Lots of great training content at www.TooTallToby.com/training
    0:00 What is BEND DEFORMATION in sheet metal?
    2:45 SolidWorks Training with Toby
    3:50 Bend Deduction in SOLIDWORKS
    5:45 Bend Allowance in SOLIDWORKS
    7:27 What is K-FACTOR in sheet metal?
    10:32 Is Bend Deduction better than K-Factor?
    11:56 Final Thoughts and Advice
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  • @TooTallToby
    @TooTallToby  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Here's a comment I got on Reddit with regards to this video. This guy shares some great insights about how the team on the other end (the manufacturing/shop team) might prefer to receive sheet metal designs, from CAD designers/engineers.
    These are some GREAT POINTS and the TLDR point here is: Always work with (or talk to) the manufacturing team and find out what works best for them - it can save you a TON of time, since you won't have to waste time coming up with a good flat pattern - just let them do it (if that's what they want) 🙂
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    REDDIT COMMENT from Joaquin2071
    I think this is a very good explanation for beginners going into sheet metal, however, if you are engineering and not actually manufacturing, it’s important to know that you shouldn’t be messing with these as it is up to the engineers at the manufacturer to determine the bend deduction based on their machines and their dies, especially when air forming. As someone who is an engineer in manufacturing, my job is a lot easier when the customer does not give a flat pattern and even better when they don’t dimension off of a flat pattern because 99% of the time, whatever k-factor/bd they are using is going to be way different than what we use.
    As far as the way I see k-factor, as someone who works directly with the brake department and has a gigantic table of bend deductions for all sorts of material and thicknesses, I see k-factor as a dependent variable that is found after doing live bend tests, finding the bend deduction by solving for how much the material shrunk. then, when plugged into the formula for bend deduction, you solve for the k-factor. That k-factor can then be used for that material, thickness, and radius to solve for non 90deg angles. The only time I ever use k-factor built into solidworks is for hems, and from there we proof the flat to show a bend deduction and then that is given to the brake operator.
    Just my little 2 cents from working in mfg for almost 5 years now (learning from old heads lol).
    P.s. A tried and true k-factor that is used a lot though that will almost always work is .4469. Especially for aluminum when air forming. That’ll get you pretty dang close
    P.p.s always dimension to the virtual exterior tangents, thank you :)

  • @amoplantalexei
    @amoplantalexei 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Excellent explanation and much much better format in 12 mins, then in shorts. Not too long (20- mins), not too short (1- min).

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Nice thanks Mr Alex! Great feedback!

  • @acesvaba330
    @acesvaba330 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Guys, K-factor is not a thing you come up with, when you design in a certain material, the vendor of that material has the K-factor value into the data sheet. Let's say you have 2mm thick AISI 304 sheet ordered, in the documentation of that order you will find the mechanical parameters, including the K-factor. The value changes from softer to harder material and from thinner to thicker thicknesses. If you have to enter a value, it should never be 0.5, that means that you are bending diamonds, as a bench mark, softer metals like copper or aluminium are 0.38+/-0.02 and harder metals like stainless steel is 0.41+/-0.4.
    Do your research before you start designing something you intend to produce. Selection of material is one of the first things you need to do, thus, the K-factor should be there.
    Awesome video Toby, amazing as always!

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Great insight - thanks ace!

  • @JernD
    @JernD 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wow great video and shout out to the other commenters sharing their time tested wisdom!

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      YEah what a great community!

  • @akashrathod6134
    @akashrathod6134 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Visual explanation really helped to understand concepts.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Awesome glad this helped!

  • @MrRick76
    @MrRick76 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Default K-Factor in most software is 0.440
    If you use this number you are going to be very close.
    A larger K-factor increases material & a lower number reduces material.
    Example.
    Stainless Steel 1.5mm
    Standard Pressbrake Tooling V12-30
    Bend Allowance = 3.10mm
    Internal Rad =2.50
    External Rad=4.0
    K-Factor=0.413
    A great utility is available online called Bendworks V1.1 from 2003! but it works fine on Win11.
    You can reverse the k-factor by doing a bend test & measuring it.
    Cut a blank 100x100 bend it to 90 degrees & measure it accurately.
    Good tutorial Toby, I work in sheet metal & some of the customers need more training!
    Cheers

    • @MarkSummersCAD
      @MarkSummersCAD 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Agree with the Bendworks program comments. The app is very handy and the attached PDF (The Fine Art of Sheetmetal Bending) is a great reference with topics I teach in my Manufacturing Engineering classes at ACC and TXST.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      thanks Mr Rick these are some great insights and the community very much appreciates them!

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Awesome thanks Mark!

  • @chrisrobinson2172
    @chrisrobinson2172 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great explanation. What finally really helped me was to understand that the K-Factor is a percentage of the thickness of the material. In other words, the total thickness of the material is 100%. A K-Factor of .4 then is for all intent purposes 40% of the material thickness; your offset basically.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Awesome thanks chris and glad this helped!

  • @ZbigniewAlejster
    @ZbigniewAlejster 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is probably the simplest and best explanation of the "K factor" I've seen so far! Thanks! Well done!

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Awesome! So glad this helps!

  • @EduardoSantosf5Gwx
    @EduardoSantosf5Gwx 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That was new to me too! Home run!

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Awesome thanks Eduardo! Glad this helped!

  • @KaushalPrajapati-ku6bi
    @KaushalPrajapati-ku6bi 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Finally, I understood the concept of K factor. Thanks for sharing.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Awesome very glad this helps!

  • @Ryohgantz
    @Ryohgantz 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for the lesson

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      My pleasure and glad this helps!

  • @kalvinglennsaul873
    @kalvinglennsaul873 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    For someone don't have the knowledge in sheet metal just like me this is a great lesson, Thank you

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Awesome glad this helped!

  • @asif.a15
    @asif.a15 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is well explained Toby!

  • @adrinelu3977
    @adrinelu3977 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well explained, thank you!

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Awesome glad this helped!

  • @franklaurent80
    @franklaurent80 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome , this is the best explanation I've ever heard for bend allowance, Thank you

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks Frank!

  • @amirshay
    @amirshay 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent, thanks!

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks Amir!

  • @bjh9501
    @bjh9501 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    great explanation

  • @Chimney_bbx
    @Chimney_bbx 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They had us writing pages worth of reports on this shit. Im saying you spend 12+ hours grinding and they give you the report back at C- or D+ on a good day. Those engineers dont mess around.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      lol for reals! FLAT-LENGTH off by 0.5mm across 2m? NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!

  • @EngineerAAJ
    @EngineerAAJ 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Why it isn't always K-factor = 0.5?
    Working with NURBS modelling in the shipbuilding industry, we are used to extracting the midsurface from the bends and using that as the surface to be flattened out. Being bend sheet metals like you showed in the video, or just curved panels used to build the hull.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Take a look at some of the other comments - there's some great stuff in there about K-factor value - but the TLDR is: The K factor will be different depending on the material, material thickness, bend radius, and bending process.

  • @jelasukmawan2359
    @jelasukmawan2359 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hello, I have been looking for a video about unbend / flatness for determining blank size dies for a long time. I want to ask how to make blank sizes from neutral format parts such as STP, x.t, etc. Apart from using logopress and autoform
    If the solidwork format such as sldprt can still be unbend using the sheet metal feature,

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Sure I can make a video on this - the short answer is:
      use INSERT>SHEET METAL>INSERT BENDS
      or
      use INSERT>SHEET METAL>CONVERT TO SHEET METAL

  • @garramiro
    @garramiro 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    it used to be a line of Wilson tennis racquets

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The K-Factor generation has four main components (K)arophite Black, (K)onnector, (K)ontour Yoke, and (K)ompact Center.
      Nice

  • @BobPhelpsRRIowa
    @BobPhelpsRRIowa 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Spot on but you didn't explain that K-Factor is just the percentage of the material thickness. The line/depth that doesn't change length throughout the bend. All the material on the inside of this line gets compressed and all the material on the outside of this line gets stretched. In the real world with steel and aluminum a K-Factor of .4 is a good baseline until you run samples or prototypes. And your shear size is smaller than the outside bend flanges combined.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nice thanks for the feedback Bob - Great stuff!

  • @jamesjefferson8916
    @jamesjefferson8916 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So the Q number in the table is bend deduction, isn’t it?

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah that would be used with the BEND DEDUCTION option in SolidWorks, since you're measuring to the virtual sharp

  • @jamesjefferson8916
    @jamesjefferson8916 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Where did the 0.35 K-factor come from?

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The correct K-factor value is determined by a variety of things: Material, Thickness, Bending process, Bend Radius, and trial and error (working with the shop floor). If you are completely unsure, you can use a value between 0.35 and 0.5, and you'll usually be pretty close, but you'll want to make sure you discuss with the manufacturing team before proceeding.

  • @MrMemusashi
    @MrMemusashi 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I completely understand what k factor is and I use it almost all the time. However I do not understand how to know what is the correct k factor or how to go about figuring out what the correct k factor should be. I just always use .5 since I almost never use metal thicker than 14 GA. I can't be that far off. But I would like to know how to figure out the right k factor for me.

    • @MarkSummersCAD
      @MarkSummersCAD 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      K-factor is a function of several items, such as material alloy and condition, type of bend (air, bottom, etc.), bend radius, ambient temperature, etc. The best way to determine the K-factor is to do a test bend with known parameters and reverse calculate the K-factor. For most aluminum alloys and thin steel sheets, K-factor of .44 will get you pretty close. Look into Bendworks application for some good reference material.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Excellent answer thanks Mark!

    • @MrMemusashi
      @MrMemusashi 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @MarkSummersCAD thank you. What is "bend works application"? Is this a website? Or an app?

    • @MarkSummersCAD
      @MarkSummersCAD 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@MrMemusashi​, it is a downloadable app for Windows. Just google "BendWorks_V1-1_Setup.zip"

    • @MrMemusashi
      @MrMemusashi 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MarkSummersCAD thanks again.

  • @DRIFTMOTIVE
    @DRIFTMOTIVE 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    so how is kfactor calculated for different thickness and radius?

    • @bjh9501
      @bjh9501 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I believe it is found by practical experiments using test pieces in the workshop.

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The correct K-factor value is determined by a variety of things: Material, Thickness, Bending process, Bend Radius, and trial and error (working with the shop floor). If you are completely unsure, you can use a value between 0.35 and 0.5, and you'll usually be pretty close, but you'll want to make sure you discuss with the manufacturing team before proceeding.

  • @maz1988
    @maz1988 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If bend radius is greater than 3x material thickness, k-factor would usually be 0.5

    • @TooTallToby
      @TooTallToby  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nice - great insight - thanks!