I'd added 6 to 10 more pages: Page 1: We don't see Jason's death, we cut to the next morning, Jason's body has been found in a suit arms cross over his chest and Gordon is the one who comes to tell Bruce. Pages 2-5 wordless: Bruce angrily tears through Gotham before being lead to the warehouse where he finds Jason's Robin costume and finally tracks down Joker who realizes there's no jokes or laughing this time, they fight and Bruce gets the upper hand, and keeps punching, we see the joker go limp but Bruce keeps punching. If given more than 6 pages: Page 6 :Jason's funeral, Gordon & Barbara show up, Selina is there, a figure ( it's dick) in the background watching. Bruce and Alfred watch as the grave is filled then stay after. Page 7: confirmation through news cast that Joker is in a coma. Also noting that Batman has been seen less in recent nights and Robin hasn't been seen at all since the take down of Ivy and Croc. Page 8: Bruce and Gordon having a dinner together as a reflection of the dark knight returns and Bruce asking what Gordon & the gcpd would need if batman went away. Gordon laughs it off but then realizes what is going on. Gordon gives him a list of various things and then ask for one final thing. One more night of batman. Page 9: Bruce puts on one last sweep of the city as batman with the Signal on all night allowing JRJR to show off. Final page: Bruce putting the suit in the cave, staring at the memorial to Jason, going to the study and opening a bottle of liquor and taking a drink as he looks at the bust of his father. The end.
@@LightningFromHeaven Thanks, I was thinking "what could be done that keeps the core of the story & bold decision to keep Jason's death off screen , gives it a nice bow and is showing what happens to Bruce mentally or Joker without betraying what we know where the ending is suppose to go."
Just from your description alone I actually low key like this story. The drama with the Poison Ivy is showing Batman that he's old, to the point that even something as simple as her plot is getting to be too much for him at his age. Which pairs well with the fact that he needs a replacement. That then flows well into Batman's realization that Jason is too brutal so he can't retire yet. His frustration with all of this boils into him telling Robin to stay in the car, to leave the Joker till morning, and to say Jason may never be ready. All of that culminates in Jason going to take down the Joker alone to prove he is ready which ultimately gets him killed. It didn't have to be Ivy like you guys said, but if it's just to have a simple plot as a vehicle to show Batman's wear and tear as well as Jason's Brutality then anyone including Ivy works just fine. Joker's plot, I think, shows more of the frustration that plagues not only Batman but Gotham. Joker is so used to the system, so ingrained in Arkham, that it takes little to no effort to flip the whole asylum to his control. The system isn't working and Batman throwing him in there amounted to nothing more than mutilated inmates and dead orderlies. And while Batman toils away with other colorful villains the Joker escapes again, so soon after Batman just put him away. Batman's weathered body makes him unable to go back to back and take down Joker even when he knows he got out. The mission is falling apart with Bruce's body and he needs to pass the torch but can't. His stubbornness about it and inaction towards just talking through things with Jason leads to the death of Robin and as we saw in Dark Knight Returns, the end of Batman. I totally get that you'd want to actually see Batman's immediate reaction, but I'm actually cool with where it ended. You guys said it yourselves its a haunting last page, and as for Batman's reaction and Jason's fate we know those already they're in the Dark Knight Returns, I don't feel like I needed to see it. But I completely understand how that was unsatisfying for you guys. I don't know, maybe once I read it I'll like it a lot less, maybe like always you guys make me enjoy any story you do just by the way you all tell it and react. Awesome Episode, this is one I'll definitely be looking to pick up.
Honestly...? I kind of like the ending. Batman was sleep when Jason went, so he doesn't know the exact events either it's not like he bust in seconds too late or anything. He went to bed, and when he woke up, Jason was dead.
Frank Miller's writing is a lot like the faces of Two-Face. It's either interesting, dark and somewhat tragic or it's fucking insane and a bit hard to look at. And also like Two-Face it's usually better for them when there's outside help involved.
PurpleColonel what happened to Frank Miller? I really love his art in TDKR, and I like his art in Sin City but damn he dropped the ball after. Did he forget how to draw?
my altered state theory is that Joker was working with Poison Ivy and thats how he was able to control the Arkham inmates and Joker was masterminding everything.
There's an old Chinese proverb I have come across on my travels that perfectly describes that ending. Forgive me, if I butcher the spelling: "That was cray-cray. And a whole lot of buuuuuuuuuuuullshit."
Tiff and I had the same reaction when sal threw the book down and revealed that was the end.... mouth agape while the sounds of a "whaaaaaaaa" slowly echoes out. the hell.
I thought Batman was gonna kill him. Like Jason crosses a line and kills some socialites or Poison Ivy and Batman has to put him down, then quits right afterwards.
I very much liked The Last Crusade. It was a nice look into Bruce realising his age is catching up with him, and he feels more in line with his Year One and DKR characterisations. Plus I liked that it does allude to All-Star Batman without actually spelling it out, with the exchange with Bruce and Alfred about how he was like Jason back when he was operating during his first few years, and Bruce saying it was down to his youth and the rush of being Batman. By addressing that instead of ignoring it, it does feel like Bruce has developed into a more mature and human person and put those wild days behind him, providing a nice transition between All-Star and DKR. In my opinion I don't think the book delved much into Jason himself, considering this is the first we see of this version and it ends with his death. It feels like there was room to really flesh him out and make us understand him a little better.
i love how it shows how much jason’s death affected him when you read tdkr. he seems a lot more compassionate in the prequel, realising how brutal jason had become. yet after his death he also becomes brutal
I really like the way that ending led to that conversation. Clearly that's the intent, well done crazy Uncle Frank, you made this great Bat-Issues possible. (My opinion if the whole story was from Jason's perspective it would've pulled that end & the whole story together in a properly great way.)
😂🤣 I must have replayed Ethan moving like voldo 10 times...cmon guys and gals ..you gotta warn somebody, I could have spit my dinner out like a missile launcher.
I actually think the off-screen death COULD be done well, if the concept of there being "no such thing as a glorious death" were a recurring theme in the book, the idea being that it's just ignominous, a brash kid throwing his life away uselessly. But the writing isn't good enough to build up to that.
So happy this got uploaded! Thanks y’all. Just don’t care to read or own a copy of it. JRJr was pretty great before joining DC & Miller just stopped being good over 2 decades ago, lmao!
At the end when Sal was talking about gaming the 900 number and these characters’ fates being in the hands of “some crazy person”, no one said “you mean some crazy... Joker...?”
An idea for a different ending: What if the death of Jason Todd is what make the parents groups and politicians to outlaw the superheroes? They discover that this kid who worked with Batman died trying to be a superhero, so let’s outlaw them so kids stop trying to imitate them.
Interesting, but other young heroes have died before Jason. I doubt an unknown vigilante from Gotham would be the "straw that broke the camel's back". Also, wasn't it Luthor and Brainiac who caused the heroes to go into hiding? Read DK 2 for more on that.
Gosh, I was gonna send you guys this book for Letters Page... Now I'm stuck still owning it.. Thanks! Haha. Great episode, guys! Loved the whole discussion after you went over the book.
But wait... Gotham's problems can be solved by Bruce Wayne, if he ever tried to help the city during the day as a politician or something more substantial. He literally has all of the resources necessary to do so.
Kind of curious even though we never see her in action what the Miller-verse version of Catwoman is like, like early in the book we could have seen a a sequence of Selena in her Catwoman costume with Bruce, like I wish there could have been more of her in the book.
, Jason Todd Robin is useless. Apparently that's what this seems to be saying. I honestly agree the under the Red Hood bringing Jason back and making him a vigilante I'll be it's a strange one considering he doesn't go all the way like he should, was the best thing that ever happened to him dick Tim and Damian serve purpose as Robbins, Jason shows what would happen if Batman where to operate like he does in the real world.
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Great episode, folks. I quite like the openness of the ending, but I agree with you guys that it does feel quite abrupt. That idea you had for the twist where Ivy kills Jason was really cool! You guys got me thinking about a book I'd all but forgotten about, so for that I thank you.
I thought this was pretty good when I thought it was the first issue in a mini-series. But when I realized, no, its a one-shot and that's just how it ends, I stopped caring.
Like many Miller books for me, he fumbles halfway through and doesn't stick the landing. I sympathize with Sal and the crew's reaction to the book in the discussion.
Idk, i kinda love this open ended ending, cuz your waiting and guessing for all these fallouts and it ultimately ends the way the sparring match went :it doesnt matter if they know what ur gonna do next.
Completely forgot this came out alongside DK3- also Detective Comics 601-604 on bat issues? That was "The Mud Pack" by Grant+Breyfogle when all 4 Clayfaces across continuity team up. Was sick
Frank Miller's Batman Universe doesn't make sense to me. He wants to keep to the main continuity as much as he can or as much as he wants, but still wants to try something unique and different with it if Jason had died by Poison Ivy in some way that would have been good because it would have made it unique or if some of Ivy's toxins head influences mind to go after the Joker that would have been interesting as well. But having your cake and eating it too doesn't work here because we already know what's going to happen.
I would love to see a Millerverse Omnibus published that has all of the Miller batman, including the spawn one and maybe his script for chapter 12 of batman Robin all-star...
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Ok, I basically agree with everything you said, and probably I'm overeading this, but the very first time I read it I thought there was almost a straight connection to the joke that Joker doesn't finish. We all knew that this book was gonna end with Robin dead (or at least thought of it)... however, Miller never finishes the joke... and leaves us wondering like crazies? Anybody thought about that? Honestly, not a fan of the "Millerverse" (except for "Year One", I think that one's great). I'm not saying that Miller isn't a good writer or that he doesn't deserve the credit, I'm just talking about my taste. I always felt that he just describes random situations, and that his strength is in the way that he decribes them, but they're are not leading anywhere, really. Just a thought.
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If they were to continue this story in the dark knight universe they should make it like an Iron Man demon in a bottle type story in reaction to jason todd's death
Read this before watching the episode, and I definitely got the impression that the dialogue and inner monolgues were brilliantly written, but the overall story is kind of a mess. I didn't even realize it was a Miller book until I watched the episode. Great episode as always!!
Um Ethan’s shirt is 🔥??? Alsoooo I think I wanna check this out. I’ve been hesitant about ancillary Miller media but some of the moments discussed really feel genuinely DKR.
... Alfred being forced to kill Jason to stop him from killing Bruce in a fit of rage would've been the biggest twist in Batman history, and would've been insanely refreshing for the DKR universe. Damn.
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This book was such a huge disappointment and the reaction I had to the ending was exactly like Tiffany’s and the guys. I really wish the book at least had a decent ending.
No the way this book should've ended is that Jason Todd isn't mind controlled he's just pissed off about Batman putting him through all this training for absolutely nothing (like Jay Leno taking the Tonight Show back from Conan) so he plots to kill Batman only to have The Joker escape Arkham, randomly show up on the scene, and kill Jason to save Batman because only The Joker gets to kill Batman
Ben was low-key killing it this episode. So many of his jokes and setups were overlooked. Shout out the Ben 😊
Alfred telling Jason "You're gonna squash.... grime!" was particularly clever yet underrated to me
Not just any Ben, “THE Ben” 🍻🍻
This Batman seems way too human and well-adjusted to be in a Frank Miller story
The Miller hate is sheepish bleating. Circumstances, lack of sleep, stress and whatever else can alter a persona.
@@SéaFid Ah yes, being a racist, sexist piece of crap, and using a national tragedy to justify his racism equals being hated by sheep.
Lately I think he’s more like a ghost writer.
I'd added 6 to 10 more pages:
Page 1: We don't see Jason's death, we cut to the next morning, Jason's body has been found in a suit arms cross over his chest and Gordon is the one who comes to tell Bruce.
Pages 2-5 wordless: Bruce angrily tears through Gotham before being lead to the warehouse where he finds Jason's Robin costume and finally tracks down Joker who realizes there's no jokes or laughing this time, they fight and Bruce gets the upper hand, and keeps punching, we see the joker go limp but Bruce keeps punching.
If given more than 6 pages:
Page 6 :Jason's funeral, Gordon & Barbara show up, Selina is there, a figure ( it's dick) in the background watching. Bruce and Alfred watch as the grave is filled then stay after.
Page 7: confirmation through news cast that Joker is in a coma. Also noting that Batman has been seen less in recent nights and Robin hasn't been seen at all since the take down of Ivy and Croc.
Page 8: Bruce and Gordon having a dinner together as a reflection of the dark knight returns and Bruce asking what Gordon & the gcpd would need if batman went away. Gordon laughs it off but then realizes what is going on. Gordon gives him a list of various things and then ask for one final thing. One more night of batman.
Page 9: Bruce puts on one last sweep of the city as batman with the Signal on all night allowing JRJR to show off.
Final page: Bruce putting the suit in the cave, staring at the memorial to Jason, going to the study and opening a bottle of liquor and taking a drink as he looks at the bust of his father. The end.
As a fan of how the book ended already, damn they should of done that
@@LightningFromHeaven Thanks, I was thinking "what could be done that keeps the core of the story & bold decision to keep Jason's death off screen , gives it a nice bow and is showing what happens to Bruce mentally or Joker without betraying what we know where the ending is suppose to go."
Those last 3 pages would’ve been great
Goosebumps man Goosebumps
I was unsatisfied with the book ending and holy damn I would have loved this. My only alteration would be to keep Jason’s death
I love how Bruce fired Dick for not being good enough.
Then Bruce doesn't know what to do with Jason because he's just too good
Get off a horrible day at work......only to get a notification for bat issues
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And boy did this turn my horrible day good now
I see what you did there.
Tiff excitedly going "Pammy!!" is immediately my favorite part of this episode.
Just from your description alone I actually low key like this story.
The drama with the Poison Ivy is showing Batman that he's old, to the point that even something as simple as her plot is getting to be too much for him at his age. Which pairs well with the fact that he needs a replacement. That then flows well into Batman's realization that Jason is too brutal so he can't retire yet. His frustration with all of this boils into him telling Robin to stay in the car, to leave the Joker till morning, and to say Jason may never be ready. All of that culminates in Jason going to take down the Joker alone to prove he is ready which ultimately gets him killed. It didn't have to be Ivy like you guys said, but if it's just to have a simple plot as a vehicle to show Batman's wear and tear as well as Jason's Brutality then anyone including Ivy works just fine.
Joker's plot, I think, shows more of the frustration that plagues not only Batman but Gotham. Joker is so used to the system, so ingrained in Arkham, that it takes little to no effort to flip the whole asylum to his control. The system isn't working and Batman throwing him in there amounted to nothing more than mutilated inmates and dead orderlies. And while Batman toils away with other colorful villains the Joker escapes again, so soon after Batman just put him away. Batman's weathered body makes him unable to go back to back and take down Joker even when he knows he got out. The mission is falling apart with Bruce's body and he needs to pass the torch but can't. His stubbornness about it and inaction towards just talking through things with Jason leads to the death of Robin and as we saw in Dark Knight Returns, the end of Batman.
I totally get that you'd want to actually see Batman's immediate reaction, but I'm actually cool with where it ended. You guys said it yourselves its a haunting last page, and as for Batman's reaction and Jason's fate we know those already they're in the Dark Knight Returns, I don't feel like I needed to see it. But I completely understand how that was unsatisfying for you guys.
I don't know, maybe once I read it I'll like it a lot less, maybe like always you guys make me enjoy any story you do just by the way you all tell it and react. Awesome Episode, this is one I'll definitely be looking to pick up.
Totally agree, Frank gave us a surprisingly well done story and let our imagination feel in the rest, I think it works
I'm in the middle of reading it and I actually really dig it.
Honestly...? I kind of like the ending. Batman was sleep when Jason went, so he doesn't know the exact events either it's not like he bust in seconds too late or anything. He went to bed, and when he woke up, Jason was dead.
The story took 40 min to tell in an hour long episode... Mini-Comicline episode at the end! Great work as always, guys! 🖤
Frank Miller's writing is a lot like the faces of Two-Face. It's either interesting, dark and somewhat tragic or it's fucking insane and a bit hard to look at. And also like Two-Face it's usually better for them when there's outside help involved.
" a bit hard to look at " is an understatement. Dark Knight Strikes Again is really awful.
@@makisdimakis333 nah dk2 is literally hard to look at with that art man....and the flash shorts
On the other hand, Miller's own artwork looks like Two Face's ugly side.
PurpleColonel what happened to Frank Miller? I really love his art in TDKR, and I like his art in Sin City but damn he dropped the ball after. Did he forget how to draw?
Batman Beyond: 10,000 Clowns. Pretty please ComicPop?
Also, Killer Voldo dance Ethan.
I'll one up that brilliant idea. Batman beyond 2.0 mark of the phantasm
@@ninja1man4u I'll do you one better. The entire Batman Beyond comic series, like how they're been doing Ultimate Spider-Man.
my altered state theory is that Joker was working with Poison Ivy and thats how he was able to control the Arkham inmates and Joker was masterminding everything.
Waiting for someone to ask a question just to hear Sal say “Good question!” and then just carry on with the story
There's an old Chinese proverb I have come across on my travels that perfectly describes that ending. Forgive me, if I butcher the spelling:
"That was cray-cray. And a whole lot of buuuuuuuuuuuullshit."
Tiff and I had the same reaction when sal threw the book down and revealed that was the end.... mouth agape while the sounds of a "whaaaaaaaa" slowly echoes out. the hell.
I gotta to agree with miller in the grest miller-v-Moore debate, its more interesting then him just being crazy
I thought Batman was gonna kill him. Like Jason crosses a line and kills some socialites or Poison Ivy and Batman has to put him down, then quits right afterwards.
lmaoo what? put him down like a dog
Batman doesn't kill Robins himself...Mostly.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache That's what would have made it so impactful and made him finally quit.
That would be completely on-brand for Frank Miller
I very much liked The Last Crusade. It was a nice look into Bruce realising his age is catching up with him, and he feels more in line with his Year One and DKR characterisations. Plus I liked that it does allude to All-Star Batman without actually spelling it out, with the exchange with Bruce and Alfred about how he was like Jason back when he was operating during his first few years, and Bruce saying it was down to his youth and the rush of being Batman. By addressing that instead of ignoring it, it does feel like Bruce has developed into a more mature and human person and put those wild days behind him, providing a nice transition between All-Star and DKR.
In my opinion I don't think the book delved much into Jason himself, considering this is the first we see of this version and it ends with his death. It feels like there was room to really flesh him out and make us understand him a little better.
i love how it shows how much jason’s death affected him when you read tdkr. he seems a lot more compassionate in the prequel, realising how brutal jason had become. yet after his death he also becomes brutal
I really like the way that ending led to that conversation. Clearly that's the intent, well done crazy Uncle Frank, you made this great Bat-Issues possible. (My opinion if the whole story was from Jason's perspective it would've pulled that end & the whole story together in a properly great way.)
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This is my favourite video from you guys in a while, and I mean that in the best way.
Jason is the brutality of batman
tim is the brains
Dick is the closest Physically
thats how i saw always saw them
And Damien started as the annoying exaggerated parody version of Batman that people talk about.
@@luckysix1015 that got me thinking dick is batman more well adjusted and damien is bruce less well adjusted
ItsDemolisha dick is everything batman is supposed to be
ItsDemolisha hes the prodigal son of the bat family for a reason
@@LightningFromHeaven forgot he had that nickname
😂🤣 I must have replayed Ethan moving like voldo 10 times...cmon guys and gals ..you gotta warn somebody, I could have spit my dinner out like a missile launcher.
I actually REALLY like this ending.... I wouldn’t call it a cop out.
Ethan's imitation of Voldo is the actual best.
i love it when Tiff is on Bat/Back Issues because her facial expressions are always priceless
I actually think the off-screen death COULD be done well, if the concept of there being "no such thing as a glorious death" were a recurring theme in the book, the idea being that it's just ignominous, a brash kid throwing his life away uselessly.
But the writing isn't good enough to build up to that.
Will you ever do arkham asylum: living hell?
So happy this got uploaded! Thanks y’all. Just don’t care to read or own a copy of it. JRJr was pretty great before joining DC & Miller just stopped being good over 2 decades ago, lmao!
One of the few times I like Romita Jrs art. His wood carving/etching style works well here.
"Joker Kills Robin"
Again? Damn, clowns really hate birds.
Killer Croc in this book reminded me of the Croc in Azarrello's "Joker" book
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I’ve been waiting for you guys to do this book.
I loved hearing everyone's perspectives on the book.
“Gotham enjoy your Walmart!”
Not if Condiment King has anything to say about it!
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Joker gang look like hush if he fell in to ace cimacules
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Haha, Crazy uncle Frank, i love it, i didn’t expect to like this book
At the end when Sal was talking about gaming the 900 number and these characters’ fates being in the hands of “some crazy person”, no one said “you mean some crazy... Joker...?”
Best Miller involved comic of the 2000s thus far.
An idea for a different ending: What if the death of Jason Todd is what make the parents groups and politicians to outlaw the superheroes? They discover that this kid who worked with Batman died trying to be a superhero, so let’s outlaw them so kids stop trying to imitate them.
Interesting, but other young heroes have died before Jason. I doubt an unknown vigilante from Gotham would be the "straw that broke the camel's back". Also, wasn't it Luthor and Brainiac who caused the heroes to go into hiding? Read DK 2 for more on that.
Batman complaining about his pain, and this was came into mind: *36:35*
thanks Ben and Sal.
Got a few inklings of 80's Frank Miller.
Gosh, I was gonna send you guys this book for Letters Page... Now I'm stuck still owning it.. Thanks! Haha.
Great episode, guys! Loved the whole discussion after you went over the book.
Every idea to improve this book was spot on. That ending was not good.
Oh man, I've been wanting to hear your thoughts on this one since it came out! Thanks for making this!
Loved the discussion at the end
Sal: "So another really crazy thing is going on." Me: So... every day in Gotham?
But wait... Gotham's problems can be solved by Bruce Wayne, if he ever tried to help the city during the day as a politician or something more substantial. He literally has all of the resources necessary to do so.
You guys have a better pitch for this story than the book does
Kind of curious even though we never see her in action what the Miller-verse version of Catwoman is like, like early in the book we could have seen a a sequence of Selena in her Catwoman costume with Bruce, like I wish there could have been more of her in the book.
I had the exact same reaction as Tiffany when I got to the end of the story.
, Jason Todd Robin is useless. Apparently that's what this seems to be saying. I honestly agree the under the Red Hood bringing Jason back and making him a vigilante I'll be it's a strange one considering he doesn't go all the way like he should, was the best thing that ever happened to him dick Tim and Damian serve purpose as Robbins, Jason shows what would happen if Batman where to operate like he does in the real world.
I feel like it might have been better if it was Poison Ivy who killed Jason when Batman was passed out.
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Great episode, folks. I quite like the openness of the ending, but I agree with you guys that it does feel quite abrupt. That idea you had for the twist where Ivy kills Jason was really cool! You guys got me thinking about a book I'd all but forgotten about, so for that I thank you.
Burger King? Headquarters of the Condiment King
I love JRJR’s art in this book, and I think it’s a cool little look into why the Robin suit appears in the cave in DKR
I thought this was pretty good when I thought it was the first issue in a mini-series. But when I realized, no, its a one-shot and that's just how it ends, I stopped caring.
i think i've become more of a jason todd fan
Like many Miller books for me, he fumbles halfway through and doesn't stick the landing. I sympathize with Sal and the crew's reaction to the book in the discussion.
i kinda like the ending because you already know how hes gonna die and it proves batmans point that jason is to brash and reckless.
9:44 I’d pay good money to see the story of Batman going on a crazy Bojack Horseman style bender.
Idk, i kinda love this open ended ending, cuz your waiting and guessing for all these fallouts and it ultimately ends the way the sparring match went :it doesnt matter if they know what ur gonna do next.
Completely forgot this came out alongside DK3- also Detective Comics 601-604 on bat issues? That was "The Mud Pack" by Grant+Breyfogle when all 4 Clayfaces across continuity team up. Was sick
I love the discussion at the end of this book. Really great stuff!
Frank Miller's Batman Universe doesn't make sense to me. He wants to keep to the main continuity as much as he can or as much as he wants, but still wants to try something unique and different with it if Jason had died by Poison Ivy in some way that would have been good because it would have made it unique or if some of Ivy's toxins head influences mind to go after the Joker that would have been interesting as well. But having your cake and eating it too doesn't work here because we already know what's going to happen.
Idongesit Usen I am more confuse as to what year this story take place.
I would love to see a Millerverse Omnibus published that has all of the Miller batman, including the spawn one and maybe his script for chapter 12 of batman Robin all-star...
Ok, I basically agree with everything you said, and probably I'm overeading this, but the very first time I read it I thought there was almost a straight connection to the joke that Joker doesn't finish. We all knew that this book was gonna end with Robin dead (or at least thought of it)... however, Miller never finishes the joke... and leaves us wondering like crazies? Anybody thought about that? Honestly, not a fan of the "Millerverse" (except for "Year One", I think that one's great). I'm not saying that Miller isn't a good writer or that he doesn't deserve the credit, I'm just talking about my taste. I always felt that he just describes random situations, and that his strength is in the way that he decribes them, but they're are not leading anywhere, really. Just a thought.
This was such a disappointing ending. When i finished it yelled "THATS IT?!?"
Sal's reactions at minute 46:40 is everything
38:59 What!!!, the authentic shock on thier faces
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The master race was actually interesting and kinda good.
Miller has been tamed. Can’t say it’s a bad thing tho,. This story makes me kinda want more millerverse.... can’t believe I said that lol
You guys should do a series of Bat Issues on Gotham Central!
THAT'S HOW THE STORY ENDS?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Thats such a let down.
Damn this is honestly not that bad, I mean its not great but at least it’s fun and it’s a cool and interesting retelling of a classic story
Maybe Frank just needs an editor
If they were to continue this story in the dark knight universe they should make it like an Iron Man demon in a bottle type story in reaction to jason todd's death
Assuming this is canon to dark knight returns...what does this make Bruce in the comic? 30? Isnt he like 55 in dark knight returns?
45 because he is 55 in the dark knight returns and his last appearance was 10 years before the events of dkr
I had the same thought when I read this book. I kept thinking, is there going to be an issue 2 or is that it?
Dude John Romita Jr. Didn't work on born again, he worked on man without fear from the 90's
Yeah, misspoke. But clearly you knew that.
Hey I get it. Everyone makes mistakes, especially with too much comic book knowledge
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I am sue now that the Mutant Leader is Jason Todd
Read this before watching the episode, and I definitely got the impression that the dialogue and inner monolgues were brilliantly written, but the overall story is kind of a mess. I didn't even realize it was a Miller book until I watched the episode.
Great episode as always!!
I didn't even know this existed
I like to think with that Gotham cant have nice things
Walmart well cluemasters got that!
DD Born Again was absolutely NOT done by JRJR, how dare you! That was Mazzuchelli of Batman Year One fame.
Um Ethan’s shirt is 🔥??? Alsoooo I think I wanna check this out. I’ve been hesitant about ancillary Miller media but some of the moments discussed really feel genuinely DKR.
I was just rewatching old episodes, and saw the first few where you joked about "bat issues"
Always felt Tim was closest to Batman
... Alfred being forced to kill Jason to stop him from killing Bruce in a fit of rage would've been the biggest twist in Batman history, and would've been insanely refreshing for the DKR universe. Damn.
Miller: Repetition is good storytelling. Repetition is good storytelling. Repetition is good storytelling. Repetition is good storytelling. Repetition is good storytelling. Repetition is good storytelling. Repetition is good storytelling. Repetition is good storytelling.
This book was such a huge disappointment and the reaction I had to the ending was exactly like Tiffany’s and the guys. I really wish the book at least had a decent ending.
He’s using a piece of wood against croc because it’s a Bat... man
No the way this book should've ended is that Jason Todd isn't mind controlled he's just pissed off about Batman putting him through all this training for absolutely nothing (like Jay Leno taking the Tonight Show back from Conan) so he plots to kill Batman only to have The Joker escape Arkham, randomly show up on the scene, and kill Jason to save Batman because only The Joker gets to kill Batman
Ohhhh Snap! Pulling out the 'heavy hitters'! Love Bat Issues! Thank you all so much!
I actually like the ending
This was a great episode of batissues guys