The First Apology of Justin Martyr and Second Apology Summarized | Church Fathers

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  • @pipperjohn4879
    @pipperjohn4879 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    We pray for our enemies; we seek to persuade those who hate us without cause to live conformably to the goodly precepts of Christ, that they may become partakers with us of the joyful hope of blessings from God, the Lord of all.
    Justin Martyr
    Another great educational video. God bless you. Amazing visual production

  • @JayRedding12_12
    @JayRedding12_12 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food that has been made into the Eucharist by the eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus [First Apology 66 (c. A.D. 151)].

  • @TestifyApologetics
    @TestifyApologetics ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How am I just now finding this channel? Awesome work.

  • @FrJohnBrownSJ
    @FrJohnBrownSJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    At 5:50 you speak about the Eucharist... Here are Justin Martyrs words: "For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.” - (First Apology, 66)

    • @MrMohantypnk
      @MrMohantypnk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It is the belief of the group who participate in Eucharist that where the common bread and common drink which they receive as group in followsip shall get the blessing of real body and blood of Christ. With the blessing they receive, they will behave with each other like Jesus behaved with His follow disciples.

    • @mrjeffjob
      @mrjeffjob ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That’s you reading your Protestant beliefs into what he wrote. As with St Ignatius the other Fathers are refuting gnosticism which claims matter is evil. So they use the literal Flesh and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist to argue backwards to the Incarnation. If the Eucharist is real Flesh then so was Jesus in His Incarnation.
      Everywhere in Scripture Protestantism takes literally EXCEPT what clearly violates that theological system. Then it’s called symbolic.
      The reason I returned to the Church was the Fathers and the historical record. There was no imaginary great apostasy and they weren’t known as merely Christians but as Catholics. As early as 107 AD we read Ignatius calling the Church the Catholic Church. We have Irenaus saying that all MUST agree with the Church of Rome from which NO ERRORS CAN COME. 200 AD. The Bible’s New Testament itself has no list of which books even belong in the Bible. History shows that the Catholic Church officially discerned and declared the 27 book list we have today. Funny thing is that happened in 393 AD, a full 360 years after Jesus, almost 200 years AFTER Irenaus wrote what he did about Rome AND that the faith was already spread throughout the known world. All without a New Testament Bible. According to Sola Scriptura being the only authority how did this all happen?
      Answer? Through the Authority of the Catholic oral preaching. I just got tired of trying to force my errant theology into Scripture and onto history.
      When you stop fighting Truth it will draw you in like a magnet. Just let Scripture and history say what they say without trying to distort it and make it backwards compatible with the so called reformation which was a revolt.

    • @protoindoeuropean
      @protoindoeuropean 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mrjeffjobI would address your previous takes but I think it’s unnecessary when bringing the Pope and Papal infallibility into question.
      How do you reconcile the Popes infallibility when there have been the Medici family, Popes that have prayed in Hindu and Synagogue rituals etc? Doesn’t look infallible to me according to their own Catholic standards (and no these events were not merely political).
      We can bring up Vatican I and II but I think even you would agree that modern day Catholicism doesn’t look like it once was on that.
      Seems orthodoxy would be a better choice but even their doctrine is questionable.

  • @19nineteenthirteen19
    @19nineteenthirteen19 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the videos. I'm trying to broaden my horizons 😊

  • @danielbruceagra9022
    @danielbruceagra9022 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your channel because while I'm focusing now on reading the bible(complete), I can use some of the free time I have to study and learn about church fathers and if protestants read about those man, only a few would remain protestants and the vast majority would convert to Catholicism or Orthodoxy

  • @christianbarbezat
    @christianbarbezat ปีที่แล้ว +2

    St. Justin Martyr,
    Pray for us!

  • @imadboles3431
    @imadboles3431 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very good

  • @SuperIliad
    @SuperIliad ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Not as common bread or as common drink do we receive these.... We have been taught that the food that has been Eucharistized by the word of prayer, that food which by assimilation nourishes our flesh and blood, is the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus. / And this food is called among us the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins and to regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined.

  • @eyefisher
    @eyefisher ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a Catholic learning more about the early fathers, I love these videos. As a professional motion graphics, I'm impressed by the amount of work that I know goes into these.

  • @jenex5608
    @jenex5608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice

  • @MarkAJohnsonEDLDFall
    @MarkAJohnsonEDLDFall ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Theology Academy:
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    • @TheologyAcademy
      @TheologyAcademy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @supayakamupercaya
    @supayakamupercaya 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dear Theology Academy, how should I write to ask for your permission to used your materials and add subtitles in language commonly used in my country?

    • @TheologyAcademy
      @TheologyAcademy  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We apologize, but we are not able to grant you permission for this as TH-cam will not allow this.

    • @TheologyAcademy
      @TheologyAcademy  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      However, please let us know what language it is that you would like translations for?

    • @supayakamupercaya
      @supayakamupercaya 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheologyAcademy Hi sir. In Bahasa Malaysia

  • @SimonFox-el6br
    @SimonFox-el6br 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a little aside, Justin Martyr petitioned to Antoninus Pius, not Hadrian. IF the letter was written in the 140s as the video states, Hadrian was dead and Antoninus was ruler.

  • @rp622
    @rp622 ปีที่แล้ว

    The saint whose icon you used for this video’s thumbnail, more like st. Phanourios than st. Justin Martyr

  • @prosperotempest8606
    @prosperotempest8606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    8:25 - Justin Marttr said that demons are the offspring of fallen male angels and human women?
    Is that true? Can someone point me to a specific source for this?

    • @jenex5608
      @jenex5608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's true Google it

    • @Tobi_237
      @Tobi_237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Angelic beings are always depicted as he or him, and particularly angels/messengers who aren’t the winged beings that culture has made us accustom to, but actually look just like mere human males. So the rebel angels that took human wives as seen in Genesis 6 produced offspring known as the fallen ones, the Nephilim (the fallen ones). These became the demons and the god kings of the old Near Eastern world, and new gods of the latter age. But Moses in Deuteronomy 32 refers to them as lesser gods, evil spirits who rebel against the One True God.

    • @prosperotempest8606
      @prosperotempest8606 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tobi_237 I've heard all ths before, but it means nothing without a source.
      Welcome to the internet.

    • @Tobi_237
      @Tobi_237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@prosperotempest8606 O-kay? I believe I shared some of the passages this doctrine is deduced from. Furthermore, there are also apocryphal works that were popular in the first and second century that taught along the same lines, like the Book of Enoch, which Jude in the New Testament quotes from. So perhaps you oughta clarify what “further source” it is that you’re looking for exactly. Peace

    • @prosperotempest8606
      @prosperotempest8606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tobi_237 You seem to be musunderstanding my question.
      You seem to think that I am having trouble accepting this concept and that I need more convincing.
      I am well familiar with this subject and the relevant bible passages, as well as the apocrypha.
      I am asking for a a specific source where I can find Justin Martyr making this specific claim.

  • @Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
    @Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only using sex for procreation is in Justin Martyr's "On the Resurrection"

  • @questioneveryclaim1159
    @questioneveryclaim1159 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. For you know how many sons your esteemed writers ascribed to Jupiter: Mercury, the interpreting word and teacher of all; Asclepius, who, though he was a great physician, was struck by a thunderbolt, and so ascended to heaven; and Bacchus too, after he had been torn limb from limb; and Hercules, when he had committed himself to the flames to escape his toils; and the sons of Leda, and Dioscuri; and Perseus, son of Danae; and Bellerophon, who, though sprung from mortals, rose to heaven on the horse Pegasus." - First Apology Chapter 21.

  • @judah9934
    @judah9934 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Christians or jews its a difference

  • @kiwihans100
    @kiwihans100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Justin Martyr must have been the type of person that the Apostle warned us against when he said "Let no man carry you away with the philosophies ..after the rudiments of the world". ( Colosians 2:8) . Justin Martyr surported the philosophies of Soractes & Hereaclitus for example ( see Apologia x1vi). I listen to Paul, who was chosen & inspired to write By Jesus, not human non Christian philosophers!

    • @boem3021
      @boem3021 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Paul was never "inspired to write", that's your interpretation. He was mostly teaching orally.
      You Prots assign yourself a role of authority based on your own "I think so".

    • @kiwihans100
      @kiwihans100 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@boem3021 Sorry but I accept the collective selection of the cannon of the 66 bible books, 39 OT & 27 NT. Do you accept The gospel of Luke?

    • @FatalLayersOfficial
      @FatalLayersOfficial 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Where do you get your authority? The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church has the authority.

  • @kiwihans100
    @kiwihans100 ปีที่แล้ว

    Paul clearly warned AGAINST worldy philosophy at Col 2:8. So who was this 'church father'? he WAS a philosopher. Note the comment in 'The early church Fathers' page 9 ( Oxford university press1956) "JUSTIN; He had a passion for philosophy.he betook himself a stoic teacher who showed no interest in religion. The he put himself under Platonist and found his doctrines more congenial. Then in mature life he converted to Christianity. But he still thought of himself as a philosopher, still wearing his philosophers robe! which was the accepted academic dress of the professor of philosophy. Thus like the majority of these 'church Fathers' their influence of the greek philosophy of the hellenistic world greatly dictated their writings!. I dont rely on these church father writings but only on the Holy bible, which they so often twisted & ignored in their 'orthodox' dogmas

    • @spaceforgrace3312
      @spaceforgrace3312 ปีที่แล้ว

      there was no Bible as we know it in their time.

  • @Benjamin-ol4jx
    @Benjamin-ol4jx ปีที่แล้ว

    How is sex in marriage only for procreation when if men and women cannot contain (remain unmarried) it is better to marry than to burn?

    • @MUSCLEMASSMMA
      @MUSCLEMASSMMA 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s just what he thought. The whole Christian church has corrected its thinking on this matter over time. Sec within marriage is actually very good. Luther very much rediscovered this truth .

    • @boem3021
      @boem3021 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@MUSCLEMASSMMA 😂 yeah, he "rediscovered" it all right. That's why he was really into polygamy and was known to give "good" advises how to use a housemaid if wife is not willing.
      Such a pious and saintly person 😂😂😂
      You Prots twist everything to fit your way.