Every team could produce a video cherry-picking instances where they feel the ref got it wrong. It's not the refs being biased, it's poor refereeing and that many decisions are still subjective and being made by humans. We will always see subjective calls through our own teams lens. VAR has some flaws but yesterdays penalty decision was a good advertisement for it.
The EPL refs getting free huge paychecks to go "guest Ref" in Qatar is the problem. Wake up. The Refs get almost a years salary and are treated like kings. Who doesn't want to not be invited back next season to Qatar for that.
In the game against city when Dias blatantly fouled Hojlund. Mike Dean, who was in the commentary box, said that's not a penalty in a big game like this? That statement right there told us all we need to know about refs in this league. A penalty is a penalty. No matter if it's Sunday league or the World Cup Final
Villa last year dalot got wiped out off the pitch after ball went out of play and Neville and the other commentator was telling him to get up it’s never a foul and so on. Fast forwards like 10 mins mctomminay wiped a player out off the ball in the exact same shoulder to shoulder manor as 10 mins prior and Garry Neville and the other guy said he was lucky to get away without a card it was petty and rash and stupid. It makes no sense
@@EddieBasilio-g2y respectfully, but you're asking people to continue to piss in the wind, and just not mind the fact. Considering the points in the video, subjective bias should and can be easily removed if there's an objective system that replaces that. The problem is in the fact that, regardless of these objective systems, officials are using subjective decisions to overrule it 🤘
Been saying this for years. Toxic anti united referees have been match fixing against man united for many, many years. Singlehandedly deciding matches against united again and again. Then toxic anti united media go blasting and get managers destroyed. This combo has been a grand success against united. It is an insidious trend and triggers a lot of questions.
You may be on to something, the feeling when it's blatantly obvious refs are against us during a game, is a sinking feeling of having nowhere to turn for justice to when everyone is against you. It is difficult to get out from that. Only was is when we stick together, United.
You are right premier league should bring in top referees from around Europe to ref the premier league games. The money is certainly there so a serious thought has to be given to this topic. The fa cup tie the ref was absolutely hell bent on going against us unbelievable by the referee.
A lot of them admit that they grew up HATING United. You'd think they've grown up now and won't think of revenge, consciously or subconsciously right? WRONG!
That's a fact absolutely horrific it is where is luiga Collina the Italian ref hasn't he a big job in UEFA get that man in to coach these refs in fairness some of the refs at the euros were top class not the English refs now
Bollox At least there the scandal of calciopoli was revealed and teams and refs penalised. Unlike in the Prem. Ever. Even thought the corruption is rife here. Italian refs in general are much more professional and competent than here such as Collina et al
I try and stick up for Refs, thinking they have a duff job. But that refereeing 'performance' on Sunday was absolutely shocking. Genuinely the worst I've seen, the Ref lost all control over the game and felt like he was being swayed by the Emirates crowd. There was a point in the game where United had 5 or 6 yellows and Arsenal had 0. Yes, there were a few loose tackles, but the fact that you're penalising one team and not the other is ridiculous.
The way that ref was avoiding eye contact with Utd players after he gave the pen was very odd. My feeling was he knew it wasn't a clear penalty but he was on a mission to hand the game to Arsenal
That was amazing, pretty much admitting they have a different level for fouls depending on the game. I'm disappointed that hasn't been highlighted more
@@RuariDUFC1983and last year they don’t give a blatant handball by Romero on garnacho’s shot because of his “close proximity” and since then I have seen other calls that are almost identical such as that de ligt handball be given. It’s a joke…
@@jarrahperrot7620 exactly this! Apparently it was because he didn’t have time to move his hands out of the way - but with De Ligt it was deliberate apparently. These refs are bums
I’m glad you made this video. The issue lies with the mainstream media-they rarely criticise bad decisions that goes against Manchester United, yet they’re quick to attack referees for making decisions in United’s favour. This shows how weak the PGMOL is and how heavily influenced they are by the media. As a result, it’s easier for officials to make the wrong call against Manchester United. If that penalty decision had gone against Liverpool FC, there would likely have been calls for a public inquiry.
Unfortunately mainstream media are granted privileges and have regular meetings with the pgmol. Within these meetings they are told they are not allowed to provide criticism of referees or assistants judgements. Otherwise these privileges are lost. This is why the popularity of fan channels where you can speak your mind have grown in views.
That's genuinely it. Their bias against us is psychologically ingrained. These are all English football fans - if they don't support United, then they probably hated us when they were young.
O think that is a part of it too.they grew up getting beaten by ManU and they cant help their biasness. But here is the big problem who is accountable when theybdo this. How they get punished
Oliver has an agenda against us and Taylor has one against Arsenal for some reason. Why are these 2 not being investigated because that's dodgy as fuck tbh
I clearly remember in the early 2000's - Chelsea's Didier Drogba was literally yards offside and scored against us which won the league for Chelsea. But the most outrageous example of dreadful officiating - has to be the sending off of Nani when we played Real Madrid in the Champions League. This isn't a recent phenomenon - although it does seem to be getting progressively worse.
Oh the Nani one was a joke. Not long after his sending off Modric scored and practically sealed the tie. Ronnie scored that night, they were in green Madrid I think.
Do you remember the tackle Fletcher made think it was champions league clearly won the ball red card and gave a penalty diabolical decision think it was against arsenal
Honestly, it feels like match fixing! I think it's more sinister, the way when ever United are down, they seem to kick us down and compound our misfortune, seemingly with purpose is to obvious for it not to be dodgy!
Michael Oliver isn’t even 1 bit subtle about his hatred towards United. But that refereeing performance yesterday was one of the most incompetent and biased i have ever witnessed. I had to walk away from the tv for 10 minutes to calm down because it was so bad!
Remember when Hojlund made his first Utd appearance as a sub against Arsenal at the Emirates and Gabriel rugby tackled him in the box and as is always the case with us, VAR didn't even take a look at what was a blatant penalty with the score at 1-1. Compare that to yesterday's penalty for Havertz or the one given against Hojlund by VAR against City. Let's not forget the potential handball by Van Dijk at Anfield that didn't even get a tv replay, let alone a VAR check.
Well the VAR for that Gabriel rugby tackle was Jared Gillett, a self confessed Liverpool fan. Also in regards to the Australian Mr Gillet, allegedly he officiated the Australian League Grand Final, and awarded a late dodgy winning penalty to the club that his then girlfriend worked for. I suspect this fact, is why he is Refereeing over here rather than in Australia, and it does rather question the integrity of the PGMOL, that they employed him.
Finally. More discussion on this topic is needed. United for sure, but I would urge the fans of all other teams to voice their grievances because the level of refereeing is abysmal.
I think it works both ways. The commentary team have access to the VAR audio. Gary Neville will often hold off on saying what he thinks until he hears the narrative from the VAR room. There is a very weird arrangement between SKY and PGMOL. Also why tf was Mike Dean given a job a week after admitting to being a cheat? And why tf can this cheat chirp up whenever he wants during a game to protect his mates?
Exactly 💯 for all the clubs in fairness some of the stuff we are seeing is bordering on match fixing by refs that's a fact and don't get me started on var has destroyed football as fans we all know it absolutely shocking it is
I genuinely think that if VAR was in play yesterday they wouldn't have overturned that penalty. I totally agree there was no contact, but these chumps would likely argue it wasn't an obvious and clear error. Guaranteed!
Please don’t go there with Var. We might not have had the penalty, but Var is only there to bolster weak referees with outlandish and inconsistent decisions. Technology is no good if the same idiots on the pitch are working the monitors in the studio
The quality of refs in the Premier league is terrible. The premise league should have hired collina the former Italian ref who was probably the best ref in the world. The guy was brilliant in the champions league, euros and the world Cup.
I remember a game last season, I believe against villa (don’t quote me on the team) Dalot got wiped out after the ball went for a throw in and Garry and the other commentator told dalot to get up saying it was shoulder to shoulder and it wasn’t that bad and he was being a wimp basically. Around 10 mins later in the game it went for a goal kick to the opposition and mctomminay went shoulder to shoulder off the pitch and wiped out a villa player. Garry and the other commentator was saying “there was no need, he’s lucky it’s not a yellow and it’s petty to follow through with the barge after the ball went out of play” It’s so bad it seems all broadcasters, commentators and officials have been contracted to hate on us, even now our ex players saying we had a terrible transfer window when it’s been out best since Fergie and that nobody is good enough and the managers tactics will never work. It’s going to far now
Believe it or not, the FA actually wants to investigate United over rhis match. Talk about desperately trying to assert dominance to cover your total fuck-up. Refereeing is becoming a disgrace.
This is the worst ref I have watched in 70yrs Casimiro red card for grabbing shirt collar Arsenal players gets Ugarte around the throat no red card it happens to much United need to sue the FA
Referees have been against us for ages. It's amazing that Michael Oliver is allowed to referee at all whilst being a Newcastle fan. Anthony Taylor seems to hate us as well.
“But don’t you remember when Mark Clattenburg gave Fergie and United 37 Premier League titles by unfairly reffing their games 4 times a year?!?!?!?!?” -Some scouser somewhere
@@MrAurangAmorim might not have said anything but you could see his disappointment. He didn't celebrate the goals or the win at the end. He just walked off.
United is the only club where there is no neutrals. People love them or hate them. I truly believe officials that don’t support United aren’t able to be unbiased when officiating a game involving us and they use this opportunity to get one over on us. Add to that the officials are almost untouchable as it’s a crime to even question them, also who would back us up? The clubs won’t stand behind United even if they see its injustice because they are happy to see us suffered especially if they benefit from it. I refuse to believe there isn’t intent and corruption in the English game.
Exactly this. And we're also the one group of fans who don't get the "yeah, you got stitched up, we all do. Refs are garbage" empathy from rival fans. Even spurs and Arsenal fans agree the other team gets bad calls. But when it's us, it's always "you deserve it". Yes, I am salty.
I think the VAR officials should be a separate group from the referees. They shouldn't be going back and forth between the two duties. Takes away the protecting your mates issue, and has the potential to restore the credibility of VAR.
Would also give the opportunity to underline the fact that reffing from filmed viewpoints isn’t the same as reffing from the field. I suspect VAR refs need different skills, and different training, than on field personnel.
@@davidgriffith1552 VAR should feature ex-players and one referee and they have to concur on any decisions, but regardless the end responsibility should be the on-pitch ref
@@liamg88 that makes a certain amount of sense, although I’d worry it would slow things down even more if decisions/recommendations made by committee. However, I wish there was a realistic way to require playing experience during licensure for referees. It’s mad to me that playing and refereeing are completely different tracks.
Honest i genuinely cannot believe that no media outlets/pundits/commentators are talking about that ‘refereeing’ performance from that fraud ref yesterday. It was honestly the worst officiating iv ever seen in my life. As soon as i saw that guy at the start of the match i knew he’d want to make that game about him! Disgraceful reffing. Shockin!
When you analyse them comments from referees it’s unbelievable none of them have been investigated or sacked. It’s the opposite if what they should be doing as referees
Remember in the days, when it was United and Chelsea battling for the title, Martin Atkinson often got the crunch games. He usually stitched us up. I remember one in particular, David Luiz made 3 or 4 yellow card fouls, and he only gave the last one. By then he had already given Chelsea a penalty, and a United player off.
It's the inconsistency as ETH said. Two exact the same handballs in the box, United guaranteed get a penalty against. Then u see another game. Nothing. Not even a check.
It cost us last season so badly. The Romero handball and the Gabriel rugby tackle on Hojlund. That was early in the season when we were playing well and after a few losses we lost our way
English refs are the worst I've seen, and most of the big names hate United. I remember 2 seasons ago when Walker Peters took Garnacho out in the box and Anthony Taylor said no foul but the kid wound up on crutches for 2 months.
Andy Carol on Erikson, nothing, not even a yellow!! And Yeah, that Harry Maguire “subjective” offside!! WHAT THE ACTUALL HELL??!! Ive seen too many issues against Man United now, what is the point of having these referees if they won’t make the game fair, which is their ONLY job!! And what is this rubbish system where the referees give yellow cards for their feelings being hurt, why are they RUINING the game, PERHAPS WE NEED ANOTHER REFEREE ORGANISATION!
The recent cup games without var certainly back’s up this video. They’re losing the ability to make critical decisions in big moments, subconsciously thinking they’ve got the safety net of var.
On the contrary, without VAR they can do whatever they want and there is no in-game review that can overturn their foul decisions. At least with VAR there is a chance, albeit a small one since the VAR refs can also be biased, that those unfair decisions get reviewed during the game.
Last season was actually ridiculous regarding United getting absolutely absurd decisions against them and the season felt over before it had barely started. Examples not even mentioned in the video are Romero's handball where similar instances are a penalty week in week out, the offside call against Arsenal, Højlund getting Rugby tackled by Gabriel in the box, Højlund's overturned goal against Brighton where no one could confidently say the ball was out beforehand. It has just continued this season and it's 100% obvious that PGMOL are totally fine, let alone unbothered by it because of how all other fanbases love to hate United which let these horrible subjective referees get away with it.
NOT a United fan but - You can see in real time that Maguire never touched Havertz, the ref must have seen too. VAR would have overturned it every time.
There was a hand ball at anfield but they didn't even make a replay when all united players screamed at the refree but he gave Liverpool a penalty with delight incident
Isn’t it interesting that the “penalties awarded league table”, which they used to show us weekly, seems to have disappeared from all broadcasts since we’re no longer at the top?
this is the type of video that needs to be put out in the mainstream, other fan channels need to support this, there is clearly an agenda against the club and referees and the mainstream media need to be called out.
The decision that always sticks with me was the romero hand ball last season, saving Garnachos shot at spurs ground. Mind boggling decision by VAR and the ref not to award a pen for this
I'm still annoyed about the VAR "not in a game like this" remark from the Manchester Derby, as if the laws change depending on what sort of match it is.
I think too many of these referees go out with the mindset they are not going to give United any decisions. Nothing to do with var, they just don't want to give United as much as a 50/50.
The PGMOL must have been delighted that ETH got the sack , otherwise all of the spotlight would have been on Michael Oliver and the PGMOL for the ludicrous decision 🥴
Man United & Arsenal aren’t my favorite top clubs and I rarely if ever say anything about the refs, but that match was officiated as bad as I’ve seen since maybe some Anthony Taylor (Chelsea) matches. Arsenal pretty much got every benefit of the doubt and what made it worse was the constant whining from Arteta on the touch line along with the Arsenal players consistently begging incessantly for fouls etc..
I think there is without a doubt a general hatred of man utd across the country and it's reflected in the media and with refereeing decisions. Referees know that screwing us over will be fine because everyone hates us. The spurs handball from Garnacho's shot was one of the absolute worst for me. You guys should put together some clips showing conflicting decisions for us vs other teams. De Ligt handball theothee day for example vs the spurs incident.
The Maguire offside at Fulham was offside He made an attempt to play the ball, just because you miss it, it doesn't negate that But overall, the decisions against us have been appalling
Honestly I don’t think the refs are match fixing, I think they have either subconscious biases or even mild biases that over the course of the season make a difference. Also maybe a ref officiating a United game thinks if I get a decision wrong and in benefits the opponent (not United) it gets a lot less scrutiny than if I give the wrong decision in favor of United (like in the Wolves game 23/24 where Onana clattered into their striker and it wasn’t given. That ref got a lot of stick and the Premier Refs Association even apologized to Wolves. The following week we didn’t get a clear penalty (to compensate!?) and Bruno asked in a post match interview.. where’s our apology!?) If refs mess up, better to mess up against United as otherwise the stick they get is massive. The standard of refereeing is poor in England. That’s for sure.
I regret now that I turned my TV off at the point when Dalot was given his second yellow. It was obvious the the game wasn't being officiate in an even handed way by the amount of yellows that were being dished out to United players for innocuous offences. The ref was determined to give Arsenal the upper hand and when the inevitable happened I switched off. It's a pity because, as the result of our uncharacteristic defensive resilience, justice ultimately prevailed.
This is brilliant Joe, very fair and measured. I can’t understand why Howard Webb is allowed to defend so many poor decisions so often without being properly challenged.
You missed the Man City game comment against United when Hoijlund was fouled for the penalty - ‘not in a game like this mate’ What the fook does that mean?
Since Sir Alex retired, I've always thought we were the easy target for refs trying to look strict and by the book. As if the fact they can be super strict with such a big club like united, proves they dont fear making decisions against the other big clubs. Because we're not actually competing the last few years, it's even easier for them to make the tough decisions against us. They expose themselves completely, though, when they fail to be consistent in the next big game they officiate.
It's most games now the referee has been center of attention in our games. Look at the physicality that teams are allowed to use on corners but the minute we try to do it the whistle blows. Some of the referee performances at Old Trafford this season, that's with VAR giving them a net to fallback on but the other night was borderline corruption. I'm not a fan of VAR but I can't trust the referees to do their job without it now.
Ref accuracy is a fake stat. Many rules and their interpretations are in shambles at the moment (offside, handball, set pieces, levels of contact in a tackle made by different body parts, etc) so they can pat themselves on the back and say they were 'accurate' while they destroy the game. And yeah, Fergie did ruin their childhood (which is definitely a factor), but on penalties especially, you can't discount changes in playing style and personnel. Under ETH we were barely ever in the box during a game so there were other reasons why our penalty count went way down.
5:10 this is why the standard is so bad when there is no VAR, refs become reliant on VAR making the decision for them that they get used to not watching the game properly
That match against Arsenal Was ridiculous almost a Monty Python Parody of refereeing. That Famous Scottish Commentator Allaster McKallaster is less biased.
Ever since it became cool to call out United before matches (around 2021) for historic decisions, referees have been terrified to give decisions to United for fear of being jumped on by the mainstream media or other managers. And why are managers even allowed to repeatedly question match officials pre game anyway, given they aren't allowed to comment after the match? All these comments pre game puts pressure on the refs and they seem so determined to "prove" that they aren't biased towards United by going miles the other way. You even know the refs ahead of time that will be apparently consistently biased against us. Any other club and it wouldn't be tolerated, but as soon as anyone suggests a decision goes FOR United, suddenly the Wolves game from 2y ago is relevant and it's swept under the carpet. The issue needs airing and thrust at the PGMOL so that the pressure isn't all anti United.
Thank you for making this video about ref bias against us. I hope somebody also make a compilation of glaringly obvious ref decisions against us from as far back as 3 years. Possibly with the name of the ref and the amount of points we lost because of it.
Think of how many times we get a pen against us or we don’t get a pen then the next game not involving us the opposite decision happens. A few years ago palace got to retake a missed pen because de gea came off his line to save it, that was literally never penalised again in the leagues The handballs that we don’t get and we are punished for. We play with different rules.
I’d love to know why VAR never seems to get involved highlighting what I believe Harry Maguire has an alternative description for - aka Simulation. That would also have a direct impact on the penalty numbers. It’s the thing I dislike the most about football.
I think it goes back to Fergie days. The refs were TERRIFIED of him, and once he was gone they couldn't wait to take it out on United. Another part of it is that no manager since Sir Alex is willing to chastise the poor officiating in a real and honest way. The manager needs to speak up about this, and the club needs to back him if he gets fined or suspended.
The thing is united aren’t the only team getting screwed but no other team are getting this many games ruined by terrible biased decisions, wolves last year if anything had as many but no other big team consistently has bad decisions that affect results, they actually get them in their favour, city won the league thanks to the refs last year
I don't have commentary on these days, it's too irritating. Obviously I'm a red but I'm actually shocked if we don't get booked on a tackle. This is important work, keep it up.
Also that Wolves game at the start of last season when Onana battered Kalajdzic in the last minutes, I noticed a massive trend against us following that non-call. It should have been a penalty and we've been hammered by the refs since
I've been full tinfoil hat on this for 2 or 3 years now, it changed dramatically after klopps comments, & also if you look at the opposite side it's alarming to see the teams that gave benefited the most since that point (no prizes for guessing) there is such a thing as subconscious bias & as long as you are human you are susceptible to it, what makes it worse is there's no punishment for refs who blatantly make horrendous decisions week in week out
When can we expect Automatic VAR in EPL? The manual way of drawing a line is more subjective & all hv seen d wrong decisions which hv flowed in... Auto VAR will also save a lot of time
Like this comment if you agree that officials are biased against United.
Can I dislike it if I think you're scouse level of victimhood?
@@FullTimeDevils It started as soon as Ferguson left, although that's increased in recent years because of Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor.
its high time for us to voice out
Every team could produce a video cherry-picking instances where they feel the ref got it wrong. It's not the refs being biased, it's poor refereeing and that many decisions are still subjective and being made by humans. We will always see subjective calls through our own teams lens. VAR has some flaws but yesterdays penalty decision was a good advertisement for it.
The EPL refs getting free huge paychecks to go "guest Ref" in Qatar is the problem.
Wake up.
The Refs get almost a years salary and are treated like kings.
Who doesn't want to not be invited back next season to Qatar for that.
In the game against city when Dias blatantly fouled Hojlund. Mike Dean, who was in the commentary box, said that's not a penalty in a big game like this? That statement right there told us all we need to know about refs in this league. A penalty is a penalty. No matter if it's Sunday league or the World Cup Final
Villa last year dalot got wiped out off the pitch after ball went out of play and Neville and the other commentator was telling him to get up it’s never a foul and so on. Fast forwards like 10 mins mctomminay wiped a player out off the ball in the exact same shoulder to shoulder manor as 10 mins prior and Garry Neville and the other guy said he was lucky to get away without a card it was petty and rash and stupid.
It makes no sense
Yep. Glad fans of all clubs are speaking out about this.
Ah, Mike Dean. Now there’s a name that is synonymous with an urgent need to empty ones bowels
@Walshy94 I was going to make exactly the same point. A foul is a foul, if it's in the box it's either a penalty or a free kick to the defending side.
I heard that one. I was so pissed I chuckled.
They took the wheels of Casemiro when he started. Everytime he went near a player he got a yellow card. Destroyed his game and he never recovered.
Yet they allow cheating from the plastic clubs
100% they killed Case
That's true but he has to take some of the blame he was rash and stupid and that doesn't explain his terrible passing and work rate
The comment I've been looking for , for years
@@EddieBasilio-g2y respectfully, but you're asking people to continue to piss in the wind, and just not mind the fact.
Considering the points in the video, subjective bias should and can be easily removed if there's an objective system that replaces that. The problem is in the fact that, regardless of these objective systems, officials are using subjective decisions to overrule it 🤘
Oliver never given a red card to a Liverpool player in 10yrs he gave 8 against us
Wow!
Have a look at Liverpools record with him reffing. Look at how many lost games.
Should he give 8 red cards to Liverpool just because he gave 8 red cards to United? That sounds more corrupt-
@Mexican_America you clearly on the wrong channel mate😂😂. Bye bye
@Mexican_America no his point is Liverpool definetely should've received a couple in those games and years however you are correct aswell.
Been saying this for years. Toxic anti united referees have been match fixing against man united for many, many years. Singlehandedly deciding matches against united again and again. Then toxic anti united media go blasting and get managers destroyed. This combo has been a grand success against united. It is an insidious trend and triggers a lot of questions.
Totally agree
You may be on to something, the feeling when it's blatantly obvious refs are against us during a game, is a sinking feeling of having nowhere to turn for justice to when everyone is against you. It is difficult to get out from that.
Only was is when we stick together, United.
You are right premier league should bring in top referees from around Europe to ref the premier league games. The money is certainly there so a serious thought has to be given to this topic. The fa cup tie the ref was absolutely hell bent on going against us unbelievable by the referee.
I think these comments are serious
A lot of them admit that they grew up HATING United. You'd think they've grown up now and won't think of revenge, consciously or subconsciously right? WRONG!
The standard of refereeing in England is the worst in Europe.
That's a fact absolutely horrific it is where is luiga Collina the Italian ref hasn't he a big job in UEFA get that man in to coach these refs in fairness some of the refs at the euros were top class not the English refs now
along with Italy 😂
Bollox At least there the scandal of calciopoli was revealed and teams and refs penalised. Unlike in the Prem. Ever. Even thought the corruption is rife here. Italian refs in general are much more professional and competent than here such as Collina et al
Is it, or is it corrupt?
I try and stick up for Refs, thinking they have a duff job. But that refereeing 'performance' on Sunday was absolutely shocking. Genuinely the worst I've seen, the Ref lost all control over the game and felt like he was being swayed by the Emirates crowd.
There was a point in the game where United had 5 or 6 yellows and Arsenal had 0. Yes, there were a few loose tackles, but the fact that you're penalising one team and not the other is ridiculous.
The way that ref was avoiding eye contact with Utd players after he gave the pen was very odd. My feeling was he knew it wasn't a clear penalty but he was on a mission to hand the game to Arsenal
And he knew there was no var to overturn the decision
@hellonearth9347 exactly!
Let's not forget the "not in a game like this" comment that was made when we played Man City. Blatant pen not given for subjective rubbish.
That was amazing, pretty much admitting they have a different level for fouls depending on the game. I'm disappointed that hasn't been highlighted more
The fact that we then had a soft handball penalty given against De Ligt in the Liverpool game, which is a much bigger game
@@RuariDUFC1983and last year they don’t give a blatant handball by Romero on garnacho’s shot because of his “close proximity” and since then I have seen other calls that are almost identical such as that de ligt handball be given. It’s a joke…
@@jarrahperrot7620 exactly this! Apparently it was because he didn’t have time to move his hands out of the way - but with De Ligt it was deliberate apparently. These refs are bums
@@jarrahperrot7620the comment I’ve been looking for
I’m glad you made this video. The issue lies with the mainstream media-they rarely criticise bad decisions that goes against Manchester United, yet they’re quick to attack referees for making decisions in United’s favour. This shows how weak the PGMOL is and how heavily influenced they are by the media. As a result, it’s easier for officials to make the wrong call against Manchester United. If that penalty decision had gone against Liverpool FC, there would likely have been calls for a public inquiry.
No media coverage at all today about that awful referee
Exactly right , injustice
@@letswalkandwalk Despite it being blatantly obvious how bad Andy Madley was.
You still see people saying "they deserve it", supposedly for our favourable ref calls during Fergie, which is way overblown.
Unfortunately mainstream media are granted privileges and have regular meetings with the pgmol.
Within these meetings they are told they are not allowed to provide criticism of referees or assistants judgements. Otherwise these privileges are lost. This is why the popularity of fan channels where you can speak your mind have grown in views.
Fergie destroyed their childhood.
That's genuinely it. Their bias against us is psychologically ingrained. These are all English football fans - if they don't support United, then they probably hated us when they were young.
💯 and every other fan in the SAF era
The best comment!!
This is the reason. They believe we got favoured so they are doing the opposite.
O think that is a part of it too.they grew up getting beaten by ManU and they cant help their biasness. But here is the big problem who is accountable when theybdo this. How they get punished
I have said about Michael Oliver for years and Anthony Taylor
Oliver has an agenda against us and Taylor has one against Arsenal for some reason. Why are these 2 not being investigated because that's dodgy as fuck tbh
@Walshy94 could it be like David Coote about Liverpool
you can check the stats of red cards given per prem club by michael oliver and it's a joke
Both of these have officiated the most PL games always get united games an all seem to be against us!!
Cant stand those two shit refs!!! Esp oliver!!!! Cant stand that prat!!! He is big time biased against united!!! Facts!!!!
I clearly remember in the early 2000's - Chelsea's Didier Drogba was literally yards offside and scored against us which won the league for Chelsea. But the most outrageous example of dreadful officiating - has to be the sending off of Nani when we played Real Madrid in the Champions League.
This isn't a recent phenomenon - although it does seem to be getting progressively worse.
I remember the Nani sending off, I nearly cried.
I was at both games and Drogba was about 3 yards off. It was the 2009/2010 season.
That Nani sending off was the clearest corruption I'd ever seen... disgraceful
Oh the Nani one was a joke. Not long after his sending off Modric scored and practically sealed the tie. Ronnie scored that night, they were in green Madrid I think.
Do you remember the tackle Fletcher made think it was champions league clearly won the ball red card and gave a penalty diabolical decision think it was against arsenal
Honestly, it feels like match fixing! I think it's more sinister, the way when ever United are down, they seem to kick us down and compound our misfortune, seemingly with purpose is to obvious for it not to be dodgy!
Michael Oliver isn’t even 1 bit subtle about his hatred towards United. But that refereeing performance yesterday was one of the most incompetent and biased i have ever witnessed. I had to walk away from the tv for 10 minutes to calm down because it was so bad!
Thank you for putting this out there. Needs more attention from everyone the ref bias against us. Great work as always gents!
Legend!
Remember when Hojlund made his first Utd appearance as a sub against Arsenal at the Emirates and Gabriel rugby tackled him in the box and as is always the case with us, VAR didn't even take a look at what was a blatant penalty with the score at 1-1. Compare that to yesterday's penalty for Havertz or the one given against Hojlund by VAR against City. Let's not forget the potential handball by Van Dijk at Anfield that didn't even get a tv replay, let alone a VAR check.
Well the VAR for that Gabriel rugby tackle was Jared Gillett, a self confessed Liverpool fan. Also in regards to the Australian Mr Gillet, allegedly he officiated the Australian League Grand Final, and awarded a late dodgy winning penalty to the club that his then girlfriend worked for. I suspect this fact, is why he is Refereeing over here rather than in Australia, and it does rather question the integrity of the PGMOL, that they employed him.
Finally. More discussion on this topic is needed. United for sure, but I would urge the fans of all other teams to voice their grievances because the level of refereeing is abysmal.
Referees are killing the game
Referees and var😢
It isnt referees making mistakes. It's referees fixing matches blatantly and shamelessly. They need to be audited.
It is not just the refs, I reached the conclusion that commentators influence VAR too. I think Refs on VAR should not have access to commentary
Wait, VAR actively listens to commentary during games?
I think it works both ways. The commentary team have access to the VAR audio. Gary Neville will often hold off on saying what he thinks until he hears the narrative from the VAR room. There is a very weird arrangement between SKY and PGMOL.
Also why tf was Mike Dean given a job a week after admitting to being a cheat? And why tf can this cheat chirp up whenever he wants during a game to protect his mates?
Hope this video blows up!! This is FAX ! Thx for voicing 🔥🔥
Exactly 💯 for all the clubs in fairness some of the stuff we are seeing is bordering on match fixing by refs that's a fact and don't get me started on var has destroyed football as fans we all know it absolutely shocking it is
I genuinely think that if VAR was in play yesterday they wouldn't have overturned that penalty. I totally agree there was no contact, but these chumps would likely argue it wasn't an obvious and clear error. Guaranteed!
Sadly I agree 😂😂😂
Please don’t go there with Var. We might not have had the penalty, but Var is only there to bolster weak referees with outlandish and inconsistent decisions. Technology is no good if the same idiots on the pitch are working the monitors in the studio
Like how they changed handball rules that time in the moment so that a penalty would be given against United, 1 season ago
The quality of refs in the Premier league is terrible. The premise league should have hired collina the former Italian ref who was probably the best ref in the world. The guy was brilliant in the champions league, euros and the world Cup.
I remember a game last season, I believe against villa (don’t quote me on the team) Dalot got wiped out after the ball went for a throw in and Garry and the other commentator told dalot to get up saying it was shoulder to shoulder and it wasn’t that bad and he was being a wimp basically. Around 10 mins later in the game it went for a goal kick to the opposition and mctomminay went shoulder to shoulder off the pitch and wiped out a villa player. Garry and the other commentator was saying “there was no need, he’s lucky it’s not a yellow and it’s petty to follow through with the barge after the ball went out of play”
It’s so bad it seems all broadcasters, commentators and officials have been contracted to hate on us, even now our ex players saying we had a terrible transfer window when it’s been out best since Fergie and that nobody is good enough and the managers tactics will never work. It’s going to far now
Joe, you're stellar at this type of video - as well as the interview type - like when you have on Howson and you interview him post game
Believe it or not, the FA actually wants to investigate United over rhis match. Talk about desperately trying to assert dominance to cover your total fuck-up. Refereeing is becoming a disgrace.
This is the worst ref I have watched in 70yrs Casimiro red card for grabbing shirt collar Arsenal players gets Ugarte around the throat no red card it happens to much United need to sue the FA
And now they want to ban Ugarte? Make it make sense
Exactly
Referees have been against us for ages. It's amazing that Michael Oliver is allowed to referee at all whilst being a Newcastle fan. Anthony Taylor seems to hate us as well.
Probably not with that grammar.
@sickboy6663 true.
Hasn't forgiven us for keegan meltdown.
“But don’t you remember when Mark Clattenburg gave Fergie and United 37 Premier League titles by unfairly reffing their games 4 times a year?!?!?!?!?”
-Some scouser somewhere
@@davidgriffith1552Howard Webb was always kind to us I thought.
Amorim needs to call it out in press conferences. Klopp did it and worked great
Our managers are not saying anything, neither club, No back bone or fight. They watched the refs destroy ten hag and didn't defend their club.
we will call it out on the pitch, not in the press conference!
@@crxslay3r trying to beat 12 man Is like a 1 in 50 chance, just stop
I'm surprised amorim hasn't said anything yet 🤔
@@MrAurangAmorim might not have said anything but you could see his disappointment. He didn't celebrate the goals or the win at the end. He just walked off.
United is the only club where there is no neutrals. People love them or hate them.
I truly believe officials that don’t support United aren’t able to be unbiased when officiating a game involving us and they use this opportunity to get one over on us.
Add to that the officials are almost untouchable as it’s a crime to even question them, also who would back us up? The clubs won’t stand behind United even if they see its injustice because they are happy to see us suffered especially if they benefit from it.
I refuse to believe there isn’t intent and corruption in the English game.
Totally agree
Exactly this. And we're also the one group of fans who don't get the "yeah, you got stitched up, we all do. Refs are garbage" empathy from rival fans. Even spurs and Arsenal fans agree the other team gets bad calls. But when it's us, it's always "you deserve it". Yes, I am salty.
This is ultimate fax
I started noticing it when klop was complaining about how many penalties we received
It actually goes a lot further back than Lampard and Klopp. It all started with Benitez and his 'facts' rant when he was boss of Liverpool
Referees playing god. That decision against Maguire was appalling. Havertz should have walked for multiple occurrences of simulation.
I think he is second to Tom Ovrembo
I think the VAR officials should be a separate group from the referees. They shouldn't be going back and forth between the two duties. Takes away the protecting your mates issue, and has the potential to restore the credibility of VAR.
Would also give the opportunity to underline the fact that reffing from filmed viewpoints isn’t the same as reffing from the field. I suspect VAR refs need different skills, and different training, than on field personnel.
@@davidgriffith1552 VAR should feature ex-players and one referee and they have to concur on any decisions, but regardless the end responsibility should be the on-pitch ref
@@liamg88 that makes a certain amount of sense, although I’d worry it would slow things down even more if decisions/recommendations made by committee. However, I wish there was a realistic way to require playing experience during licensure for referees. It’s mad to me that playing and refereeing are completely different tracks.
Honest i genuinely cannot believe that no media outlets/pundits/commentators are talking about that ‘refereeing’ performance from that fraud ref yesterday. It was honestly the worst officiating iv ever seen in my life. As soon as i saw that guy at the start of the match i knew he’d want to make that game about him! Disgraceful reffing. Shockin!
Michael Oliver should never ref a United game again..
I absolutely agree. He had never been fair refereeing United. NEVER! DISGRACEFUL!
You add Andy Madley to that list after yesterday's disaster class of Refereeing from him.
Fergies right, the refs are 💩
Someone thats capable of doing so should gather all the clips of the poor ref and var decisions over the last 5 or 6 years. That would be GOLD
When you analyse them comments from referees it’s unbelievable none of them have been investigated or sacked. It’s the opposite if what they should be doing as referees
Remember in the days, when it was United and Chelsea battling for the title, Martin Atkinson often got the crunch games. He usually stitched us up. I remember one in particular, David Luiz made 3 or 4 yellow card fouls, and he only gave the last one. By then he had already given Chelsea a penalty, and a United player off.
It's the inconsistency as ETH said. Two exact the same handballs in the box, United guaranteed get a penalty against. Then u see another game. Nothing. Not even a check.
Thanks for highlighting this. Its cost us more than we realize
It cost us last season so badly. The Romero handball and the Gabriel rugby tackle on Hojlund. That was early in the season when we were playing well and after a few losses we lost our way
English refs are the worst I've seen, and most of the big names hate United. I remember 2 seasons ago when Walker Peters took Garnacho out in the box and Anthony Taylor said no foul but the kid wound up on crutches for 2 months.
You are correct sir
You're right, forgot about that one it's been so many
Oliver is a Newcastle fan. He haven't recovered from Ferguson Trauma after late 90's-early 00's.
Andy Carol on Erikson, nothing, not even a yellow!! And Yeah, that Harry Maguire “subjective” offside!! WHAT THE ACTUALL HELL??!! Ive seen too many issues against Man United now, what is the point of having these referees if they won’t make the game fair, which is their ONLY job!! And what is this rubbish system where the referees give yellow cards for their feelings being hurt, why are they RUINING the game, PERHAPS WE NEED ANOTHER REFEREE ORGANISATION!
Allow computer blow our games
The recent cup games without var certainly back’s up this video. They’re losing the ability to make critical decisions in big moments, subconsciously thinking they’ve got the safety net of var.
On the contrary, without VAR they can do whatever they want and there is no in-game review that can overturn their foul decisions. At least with VAR there is a chance, albeit a small one since the VAR refs can also be biased, that those unfair decisions get reviewed during the game.
Pierluigi Collina was an absolute legend of a referee. Even more so nowadays.
Last season was actually ridiculous regarding United getting absolutely absurd decisions against them and the season felt over before it had barely started. Examples not even mentioned in the video are Romero's handball where similar instances are a penalty week in week out, the offside call against Arsenal, Højlund getting Rugby tackled by Gabriel in the box, Højlund's overturned goal against Brighton where no one could confidently say the ball was out beforehand. It has just continued this season and it's 100% obvious that PGMOL are totally fine, let alone unbothered by it because of how all other fanbases love to hate United which let these horrible subjective referees get away with it.
Totally agree with you. Shocking
The bias got so bad even rival fans started feeling sorry for us.
They like to think they're doing the world a favour, and it being televised suits their ego.
@@vaughanos5350 Spot on!
Not to mention the penalty Coventry ho for handball, to equalise in the last minute of a semi final
NOT a United fan but - You can see in real time that Maguire never touched Havertz, the ref must have seen too. VAR would have overturned it every time.
Jay said it.. These refs' bank accounts must be investigated.
I don't even think some of them are doing it for money. The football is so tribal that they dont want to help some teams.
There was a hand ball at anfield but they didn't even make a replay when all united players screamed at the refree but he gave Liverpool a penalty with delight incident
Isn’t it interesting that the “penalties awarded league table”, which they used to show us weekly, seems to have disappeared from all broadcasts since we’re no longer at the top?
@@liveitwisely you're right! It used to be very important newsworthy information. The media hates Utd.
this is the type of video that needs to be put out in the mainstream, other fan channels need to support this, there is clearly an agenda against the club and referees and the mainstream media need to be called out.
The decision that always sticks with me was the romero hand ball last season, saving Garnachos shot at spurs ground. Mind boggling decision by VAR and the ref not to award a pen for this
I'm still annoyed about the VAR "not in a game like this" remark from the Manchester Derby, as if the laws change depending on what sort of match it is.
I think too many of these referees go out with the mindset they are not going to give United any decisions. Nothing to do with var, they just don't want to give United as much as a 50/50.
Totally agree - I remember that press conference where Klopp instructed referees to stop giving penalties us.
Sick of the bias!! It’s so obvious
The PGMOL must have been delighted that ETH got the sack , otherwise all of the spotlight would have been on Michael Oliver and the PGMOL for the ludicrous decision 🥴
We went from getting the most pens given to us to the least pretty much overnight.
That's not a coincidence
I can’t forget the pen given against rasmus for Rodri and city. The worst penalty decision I’ve ever seen
Man United & Arsenal aren’t my favorite top clubs and I rarely if ever say anything about the refs, but that match was officiated as bad as I’ve seen since maybe some Anthony Taylor (Chelsea) matches.
Arsenal pretty much got every benefit of the doubt and what made it worse was the constant whining from Arteta on the touch line along with the Arsenal players consistently begging incessantly for fouls etc..
I think there is without a doubt a general hatred of man utd across the country and it's reflected in the media and with refereeing decisions. Referees know that screwing us over will be fine because everyone hates us. The spurs handball from Garnacho's shot was one of the absolute worst for me. You guys should put together some clips showing conflicting decisions for us vs other teams. De Ligt handball theothee day for example vs the spurs incident.
Totally agree - absurd!
Michael Oliver is the second worst referee I have ever seen. If he refereed so badly in Sunday League he would not survive
The Maguire offside at Fulham was offside
He made an attempt to play the ball, just because you miss it, it doesn't negate that
But overall, the decisions against us have been appalling
Honestly I don’t think the refs are match fixing, I think they have either subconscious biases or even mild biases that over the course of the season make a difference. Also maybe a ref officiating a United game thinks if I get a decision wrong and in benefits the opponent (not United) it gets a lot less scrutiny than if I give the wrong decision in favor of United (like in the Wolves game 23/24 where Onana clattered into their striker and it wasn’t given. That ref got a lot of stick and the Premier Refs Association even apologized to Wolves. The following week we didn’t get a clear penalty (to compensate!?) and Bruno asked in a post match interview.. where’s our apology!?)
If refs mess up, better to mess up against United as otherwise the stick they get is massive.
The standard of refereeing is poor in England. That’s for sure.
Don't forget the most recent PL game against Liverpool ... we got robbed
I’ve been saying this for years. I’m delighted that this is being analysed. I agree that it goes back to Jurgen Klopps comments.
FINALLY someone raising this clear issue in Premier league
I regret now that I turned my TV off at the point when Dalot was given his second yellow. It was obvious the the game wasn't being officiate in an even handed way by the amount of yellows that were being dished out to United players for innocuous offences. The ref was determined to give Arsenal the upper hand and when the inevitable happened I switched off. It's a pity because, as the result of our uncharacteristic defensive resilience, justice ultimately prevailed.
I have often thought this and when I learned that Michael Oliver has been given lucrative side-lines by the Man City owners, it all made sense.
Aresenal were diving like I have not seen fror years
This is brilliant Joe, very fair and measured. I can’t understand why Howard Webb is allowed to defend so many poor decisions so often without being properly challenged.
You missed the Man City game comment against United when Hoijlund was fouled for the penalty - ‘not in a game like this mate’
What the fook does that mean?
No different when McSauce touched rodri but city got a penalty
One problem is VAR. The linesman, especially, rely on it too much. Sundays game without the VAR was a prime example
Since Sir Alex retired, I've always thought we were the easy target for refs trying to look strict and by the book.
As if the fact they can be super strict with such a big club like united, proves they dont fear making decisions against the other big clubs.
Because we're not actually competing the last few years, it's even easier for them to make the tough decisions against us.
They expose themselves completely, though, when they fail to be consistent in the next big game they officiate.
It's most games now the referee has been center of attention in our games. Look at the physicality that teams are allowed to use on corners but the minute we try to do it the whistle blows. Some of the referee performances at Old Trafford this season, that's with VAR giving them a net to fallback on but the other night was borderline corruption.
I'm not a fan of VAR but I can't trust the referees to do their job without it now.
Referees should be punished for making clear and obvious mistakes
Ironically the exact wording that VAR is supposed to be used for 😂
Ref accuracy is a fake stat. Many rules and their interpretations are in shambles at the moment (offside, handball, set pieces, levels of contact in a tackle made by different body parts, etc) so they can pat themselves on the back and say they were 'accurate' while they destroy the game.
And yeah, Fergie did ruin their childhood (which is definitely a factor), but on penalties especially, you can't discount changes in playing style and personnel. Under ETH we were barely ever in the box during a game so there were other reasons why our penalty count went way down.
I do still think that certain refs have it out for us, it was a hugely one sided game from the ref
5:10 this is why the standard is so bad when there is no VAR, refs become reliant on VAR making the decision for them that they get used to not watching the game properly
When will Rio and Neville ever talk about EPL shitty refereeing? Especially Rio because when it comes to Neville I lost all the hope
The TV networks tell them what they can and can’t say
That match against Arsenal Was ridiculous almost a Monty Python Parody of refereeing. That Famous Scottish Commentator Allaster McKallaster is less biased.
Finally!! I've been saying there's an agenda here for some time. Thank you very much sir for putting this out.
Ever since it became cool to call out United before matches (around 2021) for historic decisions, referees have been terrified to give decisions to United for fear of being jumped on by the mainstream media or other managers. And why are managers even allowed to repeatedly question match officials pre game anyway, given they aren't allowed to comment after the match? All these comments pre game puts pressure on the refs and they seem so determined to "prove" that they aren't biased towards United by going miles the other way. You even know the refs ahead of time that will be apparently consistently biased against us.
Any other club and it wouldn't be tolerated, but as soon as anyone suggests a decision goes FOR United, suddenly the Wolves game from 2y ago is relevant and it's swept under the carpet. The issue needs airing and thrust at the PGMOL so that the pressure isn't all anti United.
"Why refs are biased", Joe - not bias.
Good rant though. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for making this video about ref bias against us.
I hope somebody also make a compilation of glaringly obvious ref decisions against us from as far back as 3 years. Possibly with the name of the ref and the amount of points we lost because of it.
Think of how many times we get a pen against us or we don’t get a pen then the next game not involving us the opposite decision happens.
A few years ago palace got to retake a missed pen because de gea came off his line to save it, that was literally never penalised again in the leagues
The handballs that we don’t get and we are punished for. We play with different rules.
On top of that, from an individual level Bruno’s reputation precedes him as he rarely gets free kicks for blatant fouls
have you ever seen a subjective offside since the Harry Maguire's own? Never! That was the first and the last time it happened.
I’d love to know why VAR never seems to get involved highlighting what I believe Harry Maguire has an alternative description for - aka Simulation. That would also have a direct impact on the penalty numbers. It’s the thing I dislike the most about football.
Can you please go on talk sport and Sky Sports with this? 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I think it goes back to Fergie days. The refs were TERRIFIED of him, and once he was gone they couldn't wait to take it out on United. Another part of it is that no manager since Sir Alex is willing to chastise the poor officiating in a real and honest way. The manager needs to speak up about this, and the club needs to back him if he gets fined or suspended.
The thing is united aren’t the only team getting screwed but no other team are getting this many games ruined by terrible biased decisions, wolves last year if anything had as many but no other big team consistently has bad decisions that affect results, they actually get them in their favour, city won the league thanks to the refs last year
I don't have commentary on these days, it's too irritating. Obviously I'm a red but I'm actually shocked if we don't get booked on a tackle.
This is important work, keep it up.
VAR is the referee’s walking stick, they can’t stand up without it
Also that Wolves game at the start of last season when Onana battered Kalajdzic in the last minutes, I noticed a massive trend against us following that non-call. It should have been a penalty and we've been hammered by the refs since
I've been full tinfoil hat on this for 2 or 3 years now, it changed dramatically after klopps comments, & also if you look at the opposite side it's alarming to see the teams that gave benefited the most since that point (no prizes for guessing) there is such a thing as subconscious bias & as long as you are human you are susceptible to it, what makes it worse is there's no punishment for refs who blatantly make horrendous decisions week in week out
I was literally screaming that the players stop playing the match. I was fuming. That referee was atrocious.
ManU players certainly know how to stop playing in matches.
I thought Taylor was the worst until yesterday, Madeley didn't even hide his favouritism
This is so well researched! Well done 😊
The Referee was so bias that he drives a Arsenal club car.
When can we expect Automatic VAR in EPL? The manual way of drawing a line is more subjective & all hv seen d wrong decisions which hv flowed in... Auto VAR will also save a lot of time