That kinda further emphasizes just how strong he is. He becomes an 8K blocker, and your opponent kinda has to choose whether they wanna play a body that turn and potentially have it KO'd, or DON up to clear the 8K body in front of them, and not play an adequate body that turn only to have the opponent potentially drop another Jack. You just lose your turn if it hits the board regardless. I think the only answer is to establish your own Jack in response. 😂
Don’t wanna say it but swing 6k w lucci make em drop a 2k counter or take a life then-1 to jack play ice age -5 to jack then Shigan (finger pistol) that’s 6don, you still have 2 don leftover to bump your kalifa to 6k and catch them off guard w a 6k swing again. You’re welcome I love yall
Love your video bro, idk about kuzan it would never get established with jack since leader swing then jack on play with pop the kuzan everytime , I completely phased out brook in my list and I upped the finger guns, ice age n pistol pops everything good stuff man!!
I'm just afraid of how the black decks will overwhelming the others... Jack looks INSANE, and it's an addition for an already insane decks, so idk, maybe I'm just frustrated losing for Lucci and feels like it haha. Great video btw, I slept on Kaido too.
In my opinion the only real way to deal with jack on curve is having to start playing "when attacking cost reduction" . Kuzan and nico robin seem to be the best option, I would rather play st14 luffy plays those cards better. My opinion lucci mirrors are ffed up ngl. Other wise you need to max out on finger pistol but yea it sucks. Best option is to sabo on 6 don before his 7 and then put a ton of pressure on life.
You can also get kuzan to 5 cost on 6 don with luffy or nico robin is at 6 , and then the guy who plays jack on curve cant KO your cost reduction and the you kuzan or robin attack and reduce the jack and play your own jack on 8
I'm thinking that this requires either delaying moria on 8 don and commiting 2 cards(pistol+ice age) or you just commit to swinging over it. Stussy is an option but not one I particularly like. I suppose there's also a line of thinking where you sabo on 6 don and try to ignore this for a turn, then deal with it as necessary. Depending on how miserable this makes the matchup, 8Sabo is also potentially viable, albeit competing with issho for the slots
I also think theyre's a strong reason to play more copies of spandine now in addition to Kaku since this opens your 10 don turn now to jack +2 bodies and ko 7 cost
I think jack will allow lucci to not play finger pistol vs Bonney since you can swing every thing reduce Hawkins then tap jack to pop with nothing active for him to protect himself
So i tested now alot with a friend. I played a navy list. I dont know about it. sure kuzan an borsalino are nice and searchable ice age but it didnt perfom and feel as goot into cp lucci. Maybe my list wasnt good but i am still coping and cooking with it lets see how it goes edit: its still not bad tho it makes jack akward for him from time to time so it could be a gopd direction
Leader Swing + Tempest + Kaido is enough to remove Jack. 3c Brook = resource dependent, maybe inefficient. Would rather exchange for 2 1c Tsuru and cut to 3 or 2 Sabo and 3 Jack and perhaps tech in 2 Borsalino or 2 Stussy for the Mirror match.
Honestly, Navy Lucci in mirror is the move, searchable ice age with brannew so we can reduce the Jack down to 6, leader ability, shigan to finish it off (pause)
@@javiermnk4194 not many options like he said you can run stussy but that takes an extra turn before you can play it, and it also takes your whole turn. Or you could just leave it on board 🤷
Jack makes other Black Deck relevant. R/B Garp can easily pop Jack. Y/B Luffy and Kyros have access to Yellow K'O, with a few Black reduction can pop him. B/B Sakazuki and Rebecca can easily Gravity and bottom deck him. Jack and ST-14 is about balance within Black Decks.
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Most games I've played with Jack the opponent normally just attaches don and swings heavily into him since he's rested.
That kinda further emphasizes just how strong he is. He becomes an 8K blocker, and your opponent kinda has to choose whether they wanna play a body that turn and potentially have it KO'd, or DON up to clear the 8K body in front of them, and not play an adequate body that turn only to have the opponent potentially drop another Jack. You just lose your turn if it hits the board regardless. I think the only answer is to establish your own Jack in response. 😂
Don’t wanna say it but swing 6k w lucci make em drop a 2k counter or take a life then-1 to jack play ice age -5 to jack then Shigan (finger pistol) that’s 6don, you still have 2 don leftover to bump your kalifa to 6k and catch them off guard w a 6k swing again. You’re welcome I love yall
The problem I run into is with BY Luffy looping 5c Sabo's.
Swing lead, ice age, finger pistol. Jack's dead. Ice age, swing lead, moria helmeppo lucci Jack's dead. 5c sabo loops hurt like a MF
Love your video bro, idk about kuzan it would never get established with jack since leader swing then jack on play with pop the kuzan everytime , I completely phased out brook in my list and I upped the finger guns, ice age n pistol pops everything good stuff man!!
The way to beat Jack imo is to play stussy as a tech.
Another reason why kaido is worded that way is so that King can use His Leader ability after playing him.
Jack is 11 cost, alot of people forget about that sometimes.lol
I'm just afraid of how the black decks will overwhelming the others... Jack looks INSANE, and it's an addition for an already insane decks, so idk, maybe I'm just frustrated losing for Lucci and feels like it haha.
Great video btw, I slept on Kaido too.
I feel not playing the 2k Kaku is criminal. He is so good with Rebecca + Spandine + Jak.
Issho sounds really good in this meta, most decks are slow and hoard cards in hand AND it's a massive help in your worst matchups (Nami and BY Luffy).
In my opinion the only real way to deal with jack on curve is having to start playing "when attacking cost reduction" . Kuzan and nico robin seem to be the best option, I would rather play st14 luffy plays those cards better. My opinion lucci mirrors are ffed up ngl. Other wise you need to max out on finger pistol but yea it sucks. Best option is to sabo on 6 don before his 7 and then put a ton of pressure on life.
You can also get kuzan to 5 cost on 6 don with luffy or nico robin is at 6 , and then the guy who plays jack on curve cant KO your cost reduction and the you kuzan or robin attack and reduce the jack and play your own jack on 8
I'm thinking that this requires either delaying moria on 8 don and commiting 2 cards(pistol+ice age) or you just commit to swinging over it. Stussy is an option but not one I particularly like.
I suppose there's also a line of thinking where you sabo on 6 don and try to ignore this for a turn, then deal with it as necessary. Depending on how miserable this makes the matchup, 8Sabo is also potentially viable, albeit competing with issho for the slots
I also think theyre's a strong reason to play more copies of spandine now in addition to Kaku since this opens your 10 don turn now to jack +2 bodies and ko 7 cost
@@katifontana9179Jack is an 11cost.
Ice age leader effect plus 6c saka can remove jack on curve. Appreciate it costs 3 cards so might be too expensive but worth trying?
I think jack will allow lucci to not play finger pistol vs Bonney since you can swing every thing reduce Hawkins then tap jack to pop with nothing active for him to protect himself
So i tested now alot with a friend. I played a navy list. I dont know about it. sure kuzan an borsalino are nice and searchable ice age but it didnt perfom and feel as goot into cp lucci. Maybe my list wasnt good but i am still coping and cooking with it lets see how it goes
edit: its still not bad tho it makes jack akward for him from time to time so it could be a gopd direction
Leader Swing + Tempest + Kaido is enough to remove Jack. 3c Brook = resource dependent, maybe inefficient. Would rather exchange for 2 1c Tsuru and cut to 3 or 2 Sabo and 3 Jack and perhaps tech in 2 Borsalino or 2 Stussy for the Mirror match.
Every time I play jack in a black game, they just ice age, swing, turn finger pistol
i'm wondering how this list wins into BY luffy. no zombie luffy or brook.
Rebecca with red roc or ice age + gravity says hi to this. Trust in the Rebecca deck.o have the list we still need to do some testing
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Honestly, Navy Lucci in mirror is the move, searchable ice age with brannew so we can reduce the Jack down to 6, leader ability, shigan to finish it off (pause)
Wasting 3 cards and no body to remove 1 body?
@@javiermnk4194 not many options like he said you can run stussy but that takes an extra turn before you can play it, and it also takes your whole turn. Or you could just leave it on board 🤷
@@javiermnk4194 it’s also not “wasting” cards…ice age and shigan are there for removal, and it’d only be using 2 cards? Not 3
@@noooodIe brannew for searching, but if you use 2 events and do not swarm with bodies the opponent just will Moria and fuck you up
nah bro 6c brook is lowkey the mvp in this deck
Jack is gonna get Rebecca banned for sure, Rebecca was already a top candidate for the banlist before 08
Jack makes other Black Deck relevant. R/B Garp can easily pop Jack. Y/B Luffy and Kyros have access to Yellow K'O, with a few Black reduction can pop him. B/B Sakazuki and Rebecca can easily Gravity and bottom deck him. Jack and ST-14 is about balance within Black Decks.
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The strategy of mirror of lucci in op08 is drop Jack
i play Navy Lucci since 2 monts and its better than cp
My first thought when I saw Jack was to play Stussy, but yeah…idk if that’s the move.
She’s really good as an emergency,if you really don’t have anything else as a removal.
If play jack just swing all don
ST14 Luffy gonna be the go to deck now for black
OP08 is cancer, time for Pokemon