I was trying to think of a companion piece for Clara’s b minor Romanze in a recital - you may have found one for me! I’d never noticed the link with the Brahms Intermezzo
I recently discovered your website and have been very intrigued with all of your essays about the relationship between J and C. I would be interested in reading their surviving letters and diary entries. Your conclusions make a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing this up for us.
Thanks so much! The lack of publication/ English translation of the letters is part of the reason why their relationship is so misunderstood. The only translation is out of print & ABRIDGED by half. Most music libraries will have it but the abridgment emphasizes the “love relationship” & CUTS a lot of their professional discussions. If you read German-that complete publication is easily found. It’s even in ebook on Amazon.
the greatest love story of all time I still imagine a teenage Robert seeing a 9 year old Clara destroy every kind of music imaginable, some considered unplayable and don't even get me started about and my obsession with Brahms. I am currently reading vol 2 of her diary.
yep Clara Schumann: An Artist's Life Based on Material Found in Diaries and Letters - Vol II by Berthold Litzmann We talked about my obsession before with Brahms and the many related books books I have, probably 10 biographies including Jan Swafford, also The Schumanns and Johannes Brahms: The Memoirs of Eugenie Schumann Johannes Brahms: Life and Letters by Johannes Brahms (Author), Styra Avins (Translator), Josef Eisinger (Translator) Letters From and to Joseph Joachim by Joseph Joachim and for the most part I found what I was looking for when I got this DVD The Great Courses / Great Masters: Brahms-His Life and Music with Professor Robert Greenberg I have pictures of Brahms, Joachim, Robert and Clara on my wall I look at every day
I don’t buy this at all. Brahms was already an accomplished composer when he met the Schumanns. He was a very original musical genius. Robert Schumann heralded his genius to the world immediately upon making his acquaintance and before he collapsed into madness. Clara Schumann was a famous pianist but she never achieved fame as a composer. Yes, she shared her thoughts on some of his compositions, and she encouraged him in his work, but to call her a “mentor” is really too much. Brahms didn’t have a mentor and didn’t need one. I think that you really exaggerate her musical influence on Brahms. She was a talented composer but she didn’t teach him how to write music. That’s ridiculous.
I never said Clara "taught" Johannes how to write music. That would be ridiculous. When he arrived at her house, he'd already composed multiple sonatas. But if you listened to nothing I actually said, check your dates. He arrived at her house in 1853. And he did not publish his first works until 1854, solo piano and vocal works. Orchestral works and fugues were still YEARS away for him. Clara published her first orchestral work almost 20 years before that, in 1835, her first fugues in 1845. She knew more things about composing than he did. Insisting that Johannes showed up at age 20 already knowing everything he needed to know about composing, needing no help from anyone, is hard core genius myth - i.e. a denial of Johannes's being a human being who needed to learn from and study with other composers in order to write his larger, more complex famous works.
Thanks for bringing to light one of the true geniuses of that time...Clara Schumann...
Absolutely.
Wonderful,thank you!!!
Thank you! Clara deserves much more credit for Brahms’ career (and for her own accomplishments) than history has allowed her.
Yes she really does!
I was trying to think of a companion piece for Clara’s b minor Romanze in a recital - you may have found one for me! I’d never noticed the link with the Brahms Intermezzo
Wonderful! I think they go together very well. Happy to help. Good luck with your recital!
I recently discovered your website and have been very intrigued with all of your essays about the relationship between J and C. I would be interested in reading their surviving letters and diary entries. Your conclusions make a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing this up for us.
Thanks so much! The lack of publication/ English translation of the letters is part of the reason why their relationship is so misunderstood. The only translation is out of print & ABRIDGED by half. Most music libraries will have it but the abridgment emphasizes the “love relationship” & CUTS a lot of their professional discussions. If you read German-that complete publication is easily found. It’s even in ebook on Amazon.
You're back!! I was looking for your video about the letters Brahms wrote to Clara but I can't find it, was it deleted?
If it wasn't for Joachim, Brahms and the Schumanns may have never met.
Thank you!
the greatest love story of all time
I still imagine a teenage Robert seeing a 9 year old Clara destroy every kind of music imaginable, some considered unplayable and don't even get me started about and my obsession with Brahms. I am currently reading vol 2 of her diary.
You’re reading her diaries??? The Litzmann? Hard core. That’s ultimate Clara fan land🙌🏻
yep Clara Schumann: An Artist's Life Based on Material Found in Diaries and Letters - Vol II by Berthold Litzmann
We talked about my obsession before with Brahms and the many related books books I have, probably 10 biographies including Jan Swafford, also
The Schumanns and Johannes Brahms: The Memoirs of Eugenie Schumann
Johannes Brahms: Life and Letters by Johannes Brahms (Author), Styra Avins (Translator), Josef Eisinger (Translator)
Letters From and to Joseph Joachim by Joseph Joachim
and for the most part I found what I was looking for when I got this DVD
The Great Courses / Great Masters: Brahms-His Life and Music with Professor Robert Greenberg
I have pictures of Brahms, Joachim, Robert and Clara on my wall I look at every day
@@ziegunerweiserYes, but do you play their music?
not as well or as often as I should my friend
Wonderful! Loved it!!!!
Thank youuu! I’m so glad you liked it!
Clara Schumann was the type of woman men adore. A highly successful woman that had 8 children. They don't make them like that anymore.
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I don’t buy this at all. Brahms was already an accomplished composer when he met the Schumanns. He was a very original musical genius. Robert Schumann heralded his genius to the world immediately upon making his acquaintance and before he collapsed into madness. Clara Schumann was a famous pianist but she never achieved fame as a composer. Yes, she shared her thoughts on some of his compositions, and she encouraged him in his work, but to call her a “mentor” is really too much. Brahms didn’t have a mentor and didn’t need one. I think that you really exaggerate her musical influence on Brahms. She was a talented composer but she didn’t teach him how to write music. That’s ridiculous.
I never said Clara "taught" Johannes how to write music. That would be ridiculous. When he arrived at her house, he'd already composed multiple sonatas. But if you listened to nothing I actually said, check your dates. He arrived at her house in 1853. And he did not publish his first works until 1854, solo piano and vocal works. Orchestral works and fugues were still YEARS away for him. Clara published her first orchestral work almost 20 years before that, in 1835, her first fugues in 1845. She knew more things about composing than he did.
Insisting that Johannes showed up at age 20 already knowing everything he needed to know about composing, needing no help from anyone, is hard core genius myth - i.e. a denial of Johannes's being a human being who needed to learn from and study with other composers in order to write his larger, more complex famous works.