10:49 That is the most amazing fade transition from simulator to the actual video I have ever seen! You did a phenomenal job. You keep outdoing yourself. You're videos are really the best aviation videos on TH-cam!
I grew up in San Francisco and worked for Lockheed ground support at SFO in the '80s. This is an excellent video that shows the Bay Area just as it is. The big problem in the '70s was that the new, heavy 747s stressed out the runways, which were landfill done around WWII. They constantly required repairs, but the problem wasn't being solved. Millions were spent after this near-tragedy to deeply reinforce the runways.
Man, this pilot who was "using the incorrect speed" knew what he was doing. He tried to do a murder-suicide and then he got scared at the last minute, luckily. Or he was on LSD.
@@rstidman I’m thinking the accident report is incomplete or fishy. Having the flaps set up at 40 degrees instead of 20 should have guaranteed that the plane got off in time. Much more lift was generated. The controllers screwed up, according to the report, so I’m not clear on exactly why you think it was the pilot's suicide attempt. Also, why don't we know what happened to the pilots?
@@riverwildcat1 The aircraft would have lifted in time had it rotated earlier (i.e. at a slower speed). However the pilot was waiting for it to reach the incorrect and too high VR speed and so held it on the ground until it was too far down the runway to clear the obsticles. Using a higher flap setting means that while it can be rotated earlier and with slower (and so steeper) climb-out, the accelleration during the takeoff roll is lower (more drag).
@@davemould4638 Good point. Makes sense. I think a better pilot might have felt the drag and extra lift of the wings and realized something was out of the ordinary.
Its a good thing the 747 is a tough bird. I've watched documentaries about the development of the 747 and the number of redundencys built into the aircraft. I remember them saying that the engineers wanted an extra backup hydraulic system but the money men wanted to nix the idea. The engineers won, there were 4 hydraulic systems on the 747 and the thought was this flight would have crashed without that extra backup system.
On June 24, 1982, a British Airways 747 flying at 32,000 ft. to Jakarta, Indonesia, Flight 009, experienced St. Elmo's Fire over the whole fuselage, and in minutes, the front windshield was almost opaque and all four engines quit. They couldn't see on radar that a dry volcanic ash cloud had risen higher than they were, and it had sandblasted everything outside, and choked the engines with volcanic grit. All they had for power was the auxiliary power unit and the onboard batteries. Soon they passed through the cloud and miraculously restarted three of the four engines. They landed safely with no casualties. Talk about great pilot training! And fantastically well engineered turbofan engines.
@Kenji The JAL 123- 747 tragedy resulted when the plane was defectively repaired, after an accident, by Boeing. The engineering in the 747 is so perfect that it's the safest airliner ever made. Boeing had been making them for about 55 years when they finally replaced it with a new design.
Omg imagine having massive pieces of angle iron come up through the cabin floor of a 747 and injure you. Just shocking. Fantastic transition from simulator to actual footage!!! That really packed a punch. Great video as always. I hope the two passengers sued PanAm and made good recoveries 🙏
If I’m not mistaken, one of the two injured passengers had one of his legs ripped off… Also 8 passengers were injured when exiting the aircraft, as it tilted backwards, the emergency toboggans at the front were near vertical and these people literally fell to the ground.
@@arthurambroise7894 "Rods of angle iron from the ALS structure penetrated the passenger compartment, injuring passengers in seats 47G (near amputation of left leg below the knee) and 48G (severe laceration and crushing of left upper arm)." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_845
I actually watched this flight land. After hearing about it on the radio I rode my bicycle down to a park on the west side of Highway 101 and climbed a play structure and was able to see it land. It flew around for quite a while over the bay with smaller aircraft flying below it trying to assess the damage.
Not really, landing gear and skin damage won't normally write off a plane unless it's already pretty old. Landing gear are usually replaced at major overhauls anyway.
That was a chilling transition from your sim to the actual footage. Excellent editing, TFC! Your sound effect collection must be large enough to fill a 747!
Cool looking but so what? They went bust. The use of their logo in 2001 a Space Odysee was cool looking but a lousy prediction of what 2001 was really like.
@@kristensorensen2219 So what if something went bust. That means that it's worthless? Muscle cars are just about completely gone but they were one of the awesomest forms of mobile travel. I can respect the history of the hay day of a major American company. Well aware that they're not around anymore. I value history, history never goes bust.
@@kristensorensen2219 Pan Am revolutionised aviation travel permanently, and they were the first airline that support the 747 project in the 60-70s. Without Pan Am, the 747 would not be a reality, and the wide body
We studied this accident when I went through flight attendant training with Western Airlines in 1977. The evacuation of the damaged aircraft was hindered by several factors including the nose-high angle of the plane, damaged slides and updrafts caused by news helicopters that caused at least one slide to lift over the top of the fuselage.
Clipper Juan Trippe, named after the founder of Pan Am. Very appropriate. Thanks for another great video. I can't imagine dumping fuel over the Pacific for an hour and 42 minutes in a seriously damaged plane, scary stuff.
@@QuarkTwain yes.. It's a very long and tidious process.. In 1 hr 42 min.. Less than 40% of total fuel was dumped.. . Safe enough to land the jumbo jet... The fuel is released in the form of pressured droplets.. Thus it takes time
@@QuarkTwain yeah they were gonna fly to Japan, had super full tanks I imagine. Sometimes at least back in the day, short high-demand routes would also use 747s just with like 50% fuel tanks, but not here. One of those was the deadliest single airplane crash in history between Tokyo and Osaka Japan. Something like 400 ppl died, but it was just a 500 km trip (6 hours by car).
I missed the "almost" in the title and was wondering why anybody had died with such a landing. When I realized everyone had survived it was such a genuine relief. Breathtaking editing work, by the way!
Wow - 10:54 transition to real footage is absolutely amazing. Your videos with animation, textual information, and music are the very best. There's not enough time in the day to watch all of your content. I've never get any work done. Utterly superb.
The 747 was an amazing aircraft. Triple redundancy. Very buoyant for all it's weight and mass. It didn't want to fall out of the sky like other aircraft. The landing attested to the skill of the captain. One issue however on the 747 was the location of various input switches. The were reversed on the 747 as opposed to the 707, which pilots upgraded from. This incident, in my opinion is more of a communication problem as to the overall condition of the runways. Pilots should have personally notified via bulletins or otherwise. This is where it all began. Remember pilots lives are just important to themselves as are the passengers and aircraft. They don't want to die.
Yes, I have always heard that the 747 is very agile and easy to fly especially for its size and it doest have the tendency to do a dutch roll like earlier jets.
Dude kudos to the time you take out for the community and make us understand about the real incident through the simulation..That transition from simulation to the real one was so epic..Keep up the good work 🫡
Not very exciting as a rule. DEP could have sent them to a holding point, picked altitude and left or right turns, set the downwind leg length, and let them cycle until they were done. The interesting recordings would have been the calls to/from Company, which we never get to hear.
ALWAYS good to hear when everyone survives!! TFC, excellent graphics and description. The transition between the simulated accident and the actual footage was incredible!! Outstanding! Thanks!! 👍✈✈👍
It’s amazing how many minute details are involved in flying. By not making that small adjustment to speed, so much damage occurred (both with the aircraft, 2 injured, and I imagine some PTSD with passengers.) I have so much respect for pilots after watching these bc it’s not an easy job!
I remember watching this as I was a lifeguard at Coyote point San Mateo and had clear view from the beach to the airport and I remember watching this whole thing unfold
Wow, what a vantage point. I recall ages ago on a very foggy day when a JAL aircraft was flying 20' lower than instruments indicated, and landed in the mud off Coyote Point on approach to 01L.
@@ecphorizer Yep I remember that too ,perfect landing just a little short of the runway. And oh how things have changed in the Bay area from what I consider the good old days blessings to you and your family coming at coming atcha from the mountains of Southern Oregon
That landing, with a heavily damaged plane still carrying 60% of its fuel load, could easily have ended up like the Asiana flight that hit the same ALS mounting apparatus on the same runway, 40-odd years later. The crew messed up big time in calculating the takeoff speeds and flap settings but at least they (somewhat) redeemed themselves by getting everyone back down in more or less one piece, and also somehow avoiding a hull loss.
Knowing how quaint, by today's standards, SFO looked even in the 90s, I was a little disappointed that the simulator does not have a "time machine" for the airport buildings.
No kidding, i learn so much from this channel and other high quality channels on other subjects. There is something about plane mishaps that really catch my attention so i just love to make my own playlist of TFC videos and let them roll for a couple hours, i watch most of them a couple times anyways.
I was a distant witness to the circling of the aircraft from Stanford University, Palo Alto. A light aircraft flew in formation with the accident aircraft for quite a few circles. This was for the purpose of damage inspection. It's hard to say what the pilots could have done differently with different observed degrees of damage. So the aircraft did not just circle out at sea, it also circled passing over Palo Alto.
To me, it was a very educational video and it taught me how flap settings and proper flight calculations can mean the difference between life and death. When the runways changed the crew didn’t recalculate the takeoff parameters and because of that the 747 had to make a very scary emergency landing. While the crew was responsible for this incident, I do commend them, especially the Captain for landing the plane without things going from bad to horrifically worse. Excellent video
Great transition at the end. Almost unimaginable mistakes by the flight crew. This was the 747 that ended up as a restaurant and then an abandoned hulk somewhere in the far east...Japan or Korea. I can't imagine the physical agony endured by the passengers as the plane dumped fule and damage was assessed over almost 2 hours. One of the injured had a partial amputation of the foot and unless the physicians on board happened to be carrying a couple of syringes of morphine with them, the injured had no relief. In your simulator program, is there a way to configure airports and vehicles for different times in history. The tugs and vehicles don't look 1970 vintage and FedEx wasn't around then...it was Federal Express!
Yes I saw that show on television about the creation of the 747 but I didn't know THIS was the exact same plane that had been turned into a restaurant and then scrapped! What a very sad end to a fantastic aircraft!
The software creating the Tugs etc is an addon to Flight Simulator by GSX and represents modern conditions. Effectively you cant change the vehicles but you can change the names and logos that are on them.
Interesting, to say the least, that some of the takeoff configurations were adjusted, but not all. That said, AMAZING video!! You outdid yourself with this one, which is no easy feat. That transition of the landing from simulation to the actual landing is just incredible. I subscribe to and watch a LOT of channels on TH-cam, but I can honestly say TFC is the one I respect and admire the most. Your work is absolutely incredible. Bravo!
That must be a pretty grim task back then to get out the camera, load it with film in the event the plane might crash. I was confused by, "three lengths of an angle iron," I'm not sure what that's referring to.
Basically, three long pieces of steel. There were probably lights and/or antennaes attached to them at the end of the runway. Someone else might could explain it better than I.
Wow. My guess is that pilot was out of a job rather quickly. As said before, it would be especially interesting to find out what happens to the cockpit crew after such incidents.
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Unbelievable that FIVE crew members failed to recognize that new take offs speeds had to be recalculated after changing the flap setting. They should have all been fired! Unbelievable they didn’t know their runway was closed either. Landing was terrible; easily could have cartwheeled the plane and killed everyone. What a colossal screw up by the crew.
I was wondering the very same thing! Kind of like "where are they now" sort of thing! The expense to put that airplane back together again? Incredible!
Just a great channel. I really enjoy aviation accident videos, for some reason, and this channel is my favorite. Simulation video combined with text, instead of voice, is an excellent way to tell these stories. Kudos as well to how you clarify most of the more arcane aviation lingo so us noobs can understand. Keep up the good work.
I'm a 747 pilot. For British Airways. I also served in the RAF during the Iraq war and Afghanistan. Also during The Falklands Conflict and during WW2. I must say this video has some of the best text on the screen that I have ever seen.
@@joydasgupta9445 Although I'm not a B747 pilot, I am retired from the DC-10 and B767, among others. Since Runway 1R at SFO is shorter than 28L & 28R the flap settings used are different. With 10 degrees Flap on the longer runway, the V-Speeds are higher. Selecting a 20 degree Flap setting means correspondingly lower V Speeds. Put another way, V1 is "takeoff safety speed", commonly referred as "Go/No go". Point is to be able to abort BEFORE V1 and have room to stop. So, lower V1 means lower VR, and the Flap settings are increased to accommodate the lower speed after lifting off.
@@captaind6178 DC-10 is a more challenging aircraft all due to it's manual controls & frequent issues that generated on board on many occasions. Looking at a shorter runway the pilots went for a 20deg flap. That's a good decision. Then they didn't reduce the V1,Vr speeds & kept the higher V1, Vr value of flap 10deg.. Other than eating up some extra runway length, a higher ground speed for take off is good & safe isn't it ? One can get a better lift & can climb at a higher pitch rate. Here they kept a higher Vr but still couldn't get a good climb rate.
woah!! i cant get enough of how the transition went from the simulation to the real footage! been watching the last part of the video repeatedly and still can't get out of it! massive job!
I was living in Oakland at the time of this accident. It seems that when the F/O discovered that 28L was closed, and that the first 1,000 feet of runway 01R was closed, they should have immediately re-calculated their takeoff parameters. Since 28L was closed there was no indication of whether takeoffs were being allowed on 28R, which is considerably longer than 1R, and requested that runway if possible. Runway 28R is over 10,000 ft long.
@@premkudva but the FO did request the tower on his own volition if they could take off from runway 28 R. It was the captain who insisted to take off on the closed runway 28 F, and finally the tower told them to take off from runway 01R, stating there would be enough space on the runway for them to take off. At this point there was a communication confusion between the pilots and the tower and the pilots understood that they had an extra 1000 feet of runway 01R to take off bringing the total takeoff distance to 9500 ft instead of the correct distance of 8500 ft.
At the time this happened, I had just taken off from San Jose Municipal Airport in a Cessna 150. We were headed north up the bay and were monitoring San Francisco tower over the NAV/COM when we heard the chatter about the Pan Am mishap. We listened to the drama unfold as the crippled 747 headed west out to sea to dump fuel in order to bring the plane into a safe weight to land. By the time the fuel dump was complete some 100 minutes later we were out of radio range.
I just realised that it’s already been said, but the transition from simulation to actual footage was seamless and visually amazing. Your attention to detail is remarkable.
So, I réalize there were no fallacies, but would be curious to know the extent of injuries to the 2 passengers......everyone was very lucky that the damage didn't effect the hydraulics and allowed for them to dump fuel and land safely.....otherwise, things might not have been so fortunate.....curious though, title says ONE pilot mistake......so, who is to blame here.....the pilot or the 1st officer???
Sadly very serious injuries. From the wiki on the accident: Rods of angle iron from the ALS structure penetrated the passenger compartment, injuring passengers in seats 47G (near amputation of left leg below the knee) and 48G (severe laceration and crushing of left upper arm).
"Little" things (and there is NO such thing in aviation) fell through the cracks, ending up as a perfect storm of errors. Including the actual landing footage was amazing !!!
I always had fear to heights, of course that meant getting on a plane was a terrifying thing to me, in my life i only have travel in a plane 5 times and i still have fear to it. But these videos are fascinating to me, learning so much about the technical aspects of flying makes me see it with another eyes, the amount of work that pilots and crew members do is immense and of course you expect them to perform their duties flawlessly because people's lives are involved, but you can see that sometimes, human errors are inevitable. Cheers from Spain and keep up the good work!
11:05-Plane must've still been quite heavy, that's one helluva bounce! Hard landing, tyres blown, but everyone walked off the plane. So, a good landing!
Well, except the guy with his leg nearly ripped off and the passenger with a crushed arms and at the back injuries deplaning due to the tilt of the aircraft and the wind. But yeah, overall great that there were no deaths.
Best news to read here is that all survive and even better no serious injuries. Although the metal that penetrated the aircraft must have been scary! I always think it’s impossible to get better and better with these videos but you do! As other have said the transition from simulator image to real footage of the aircraft landing is seamless. Thanks and I look forward to the next one! 👏👍
Maybe close runways completely for any repairs or alterations, so pilots don't need to recalculate their distances and speeds at the last moment to fit onto and take off from a truncated runway?
The real footage transition was incredible. WoW. Thanks for this outstanding video. I'm not a pilot, but it's almost inconceivable to me that 5 flight crew in the cockpit (with thousands of hours of collective flying) would overlook what appears to be a most elementary function of recalculating speed and other measures once they knew they were on a shorter runway. That seems like something a basic private pilot would know to do. I guess that's why there has been so much research (and many improvements!) in crew resource management over the decades. Does anyone in the comments think these kinds of oversights would happen today, or have the ATCs improved markedly along with the pilots being much more well-trained in CRM ?
Brilliantly edited between the live footage and the simulation - I had never heard of that Pan Am very close call - I wonder how they "retrained" the flight deck crew or if they were booted out....
Pan Am Flight 845 (PA845 / PAA845) --- DEP: Los Angeles, US (LAX / KLAX) STP: San Francisco, US (SFO / KSFO) ARR: Tokyo, Japan (HND / RJTT) --- 1969 Boeing 747-100 *N747PA* _Clipper America_ --- 30 July 1971 N747PA was the 2nd Boeing 747 built! It was last converted into a restaurant in South Korea in 2000. When the restaurant failed, the aircraft lay idle until it was finally scrapped in 2010.
Great video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Pan Am headquarters building, in Miami, is still in Coconut Grove / Dinner Key. It is use as the Miami City Hall. I grew up 1 mile or so from the building in the 1960's. I used to swim with the Manatees in the surrounding Biscayne Bay.
I can say thanks to ur channel i can learn new things .. m an aviation aspirant student will start clg this year subject - bba in aviation.. i hope i can fly like this one day ❤️
Great video. M y Dad worked for Pan Am in the 80's at Heathrow and would have worked on N747PA. She didn't get her Clipper name Juan Trippe until 1981 after the great man died. A good landing is one you can walk away from, a great landing is one you can use the plane after.
Your transition from simulator image to real footage was some of the best editing I have seen! Well done.
Ditto! Great vid!
Yeah, I saw that transition, too. That was cool work from TheFlightChannel.
Absolutely awesome
Absolutely
Excellent recreation
10:49 That is the most amazing fade transition from simulator to the actual video I have ever seen! You did a phenomenal job. You keep outdoing yourself. You're videos are really the best aviation videos on TH-cam!
Couldn't have said that better!
Yes it is so well done! Major kudos! ✈️👍
In my entire internet life! It was a flawless transition!
Except for Mentour Pilot - in a different class completely.
That was definitively pretty amazing!
I grew up in San Francisco and worked for Lockheed ground support at SFO in the '80s. This is an excellent video that shows the Bay Area just as it is. The big problem in the '70s was that the new, heavy 747s stressed out the runways, which were landfill done around WWII. They constantly required repairs, but the problem wasn't being solved. Millions were spent after this near-tragedy to deeply reinforce the runways.
Man, this pilot who was "using the incorrect speed" knew what he was doing. He tried to do a murder-suicide and then he got scared at the last minute, luckily. Or he was on LSD.
@@rstidman I’m thinking the accident report is incomplete or fishy. Having the flaps set up at 40 degrees instead of 20 should have guaranteed that the plane got off in time. Much more lift was generated. The controllers screwed up, according to the report, so I’m not clear on exactly why you think it was the pilot's suicide attempt. Also, why don't we know what happened to the pilots?
@@rstidman you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
@@riverwildcat1 The aircraft would have lifted in time had it rotated earlier (i.e. at a slower speed). However the pilot was waiting for it to reach the incorrect and too high VR speed and so held it on the ground until it was too far down the runway to clear the obsticles. Using a higher flap setting means that while it can be rotated earlier and with slower (and so steeper) climb-out, the accelleration during the takeoff roll is lower (more drag).
@@davemould4638 Good point. Makes sense. I think a better pilot might have felt the drag and extra lift of the wings and realized something was out of the ordinary.
Its a good thing the 747 is a tough bird. I've watched documentaries about the development of the 747 and the number of redundencys built into the aircraft. I remember them saying that the engineers wanted an extra backup hydraulic system but the money men wanted to nix the idea. The engineers won, there were 4 hydraulic systems on the 747 and the thought was this flight would have crashed without that extra backup system.
redundancies* use a spell checker dude! wtf!
@@The_Beast_666...... Be aware - winner of a Spelling Bee is present!
On June 24, 1982, a British Airways 747 flying at 32,000 ft. to Jakarta, Indonesia, Flight 009,
experienced St. Elmo's Fire over the whole fuselage, and in minutes, the front windshield was almost opaque and all four engines quit. They couldn't see on radar that a dry volcanic ash cloud had risen higher than they were, and it had sandblasted everything outside, and choked the engines with volcanic grit. All they had for power was the auxiliary power unit and the onboard batteries. Soon they passed through the cloud and miraculously restarted three of the four engines. They landed safely with no casualties. Talk about great pilot training! And fantastically well engineered turbofan engines.
@@The_Beast_666 Like Flossy Carter says: Call down.
@Kenji The JAL 123- 747 tragedy resulted when the plane was defectively repaired, after an accident, by Boeing. The engineering in the 747 is so perfect that it's the safest airliner ever made. Boeing had been making them for about 55 years when they finally replaced it with a new design.
Omg imagine having massive pieces of angle iron come up through the cabin floor of a 747 and injure you. Just shocking. Fantastic transition from simulator to actual footage!!! That really packed a punch. Great video as always. I hope the two passengers sued PanAm and made good recoveries 🙏
If I’m not mistaken, one of the two injured passengers had one of his legs ripped off…
Also 8 passengers were injured when exiting the aircraft, as it tilted backwards, the emergency toboggans at the front were near vertical and these people literally fell to the ground.
that transition was crazy good
@Caroline Howard Afuckingmen mam!
I cannot imagine what you would be feeling. Not sure I'd want to re-attempt the flight to Tokyo right away.
@@arthurambroise7894 "Rods of angle iron from the ALS structure penetrated the passenger compartment, injuring passengers in seats 47G (near amputation of left leg below the knee) and 48G (severe laceration and crushing of left upper arm)."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_845
I actually watched this flight land. After hearing about it on the radio I rode my bicycle down to a park on the west side of Highway 101 and climbed a play structure and was able to see it land. It flew around for quite a while over the bay with smaller aircraft flying below it trying to assess the damage.
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Pretty cool to see such a thing.......well maybe not cool if they died but a rare experience to see
Are you like freaking 65 or something bro?
@@delta_aviation17 Yep Bro
Amazing that they actually repaired the plane and it continued service for another 19 years.
Not really, landing gear and skin damage won't normally write off a plane unless it's already pretty old. Landing gear are usually replaced at major overhauls anyway.
Yes, and look at the amount of dirt that was sucked into the port side inboard engine.
@@68fmj51 engines and landing gear would have been replaced during the repairs
I'd b scared to get on that plane
Og I would have been 😱
That was a chilling transition from your sim to the actual footage. Excellent editing, TFC! Your sound effect collection must be large enough to fill a 747!
Absolutely fascinating piece of work with the real footage added. Brilliant job.
The transition from your landing video and the actual footage is awesome!
Thanks! It took me a little bit to make it :)
@@theflightchannel And the outcome is superb!
@@theflightchannel Just watched this; just found your channel. That transition was awesome! Thank God everyone survived.
The 'shadow' around the white text makes it so easy to read, no matter the background. Thank you!
Pan-Am was absolutely one of the coolest commercial aviation companies, I love the logo and the look
They had a very nice employee area for the ground support personnel. Things got chaotic, though, when the ATC people went on strike in 1981.
I was a fan of the retro Qantas, Cathay, Anz and British airways, but never less, pan am was wonderful
Cool looking but so what? They went bust. The use of their logo in 2001 a Space Odysee was cool looking but a lousy prediction of what 2001 was really like.
@@kristensorensen2219 So what if something went bust. That means that it's worthless? Muscle cars are just about completely gone but they were one of the awesomest forms of mobile travel. I can respect the history of the hay day of a major American company. Well aware that they're not around anymore. I value history, history never goes bust.
@@kristensorensen2219 Pan Am revolutionised aviation travel permanently, and they were the first airline that support the 747 project in the 60-70s. Without Pan Am, the 747 would not be a reality, and the wide body
The edit from simulation to real footage was amazing!
I got chills when that transition happened from the simulation video to the actual footage. Excellent job.
Amazing to see real footage edited in so seamlessly. Great video.
We studied this accident when I went through flight attendant training with Western Airlines in 1977. The evacuation of the damaged aircraft was hindered by several factors including the nose-high angle of the plane, damaged slides and updrafts caused by news helicopters that caused at least one slide to lift over the top of the fuselage.
What an absolute transformation from animation to real footage
Clipper Juan Trippe, named after the founder of Pan Am. Very appropriate. Thanks for another great video. I can't imagine dumping fuel over the Pacific for an hour and 42 minutes in a seriously damaged plane, scary stuff.
I'm curious why that took so long. Is fuel dumping just that slow of a process? They were starting with full tanks, I know.
@@QuarkTwain yes.. It's a very long and tidious process.. In 1 hr 42 min.. Less than 40% of total fuel was dumped.. . Safe enough to land the jumbo jet... The fuel is released in the form of pressured droplets.. Thus it takes time
Who names their kid Clipper???
I always chuckle when I read that name as One Trip. Great name for an iconic airline founder.
@@QuarkTwain yeah they were gonna fly to Japan, had super full tanks I imagine. Sometimes at least back in the day, short high-demand routes would also use 747s just with like 50% fuel tanks, but not here. One of those was the deadliest single airplane crash in history between Tokyo and Osaka Japan. Something like 400 ppl died, but it was just a 500 km trip (6 hours by car).
I missed the "almost" in the title and was wondering why anybody had died with such a landing. When I realized everyone had survived it was such a genuine relief. Breathtaking editing work, by the way!
Wow - 10:54 transition to real footage is absolutely amazing. Your videos with animation, textual information, and music are the very best. There's not enough time in the day to watch all of your content. I've never get any work done. Utterly superb.
The 747 was an amazing aircraft. Triple redundancy. Very buoyant for all it's weight and mass. It didn't want to fall out of the sky like other aircraft. The landing attested to the skill of the captain. One issue however on the 747 was the location of various input switches. The were reversed on the 747 as opposed to the 707, which pilots upgraded from. This incident, in my opinion is more of a communication problem as to the overall condition of the runways. Pilots should have personally notified via bulletins or otherwise. This is where it all began. Remember pilots lives are just important to themselves as are the passengers and aircraft. They don't want to die.
Yes, I have always heard that the 747 is very agile and easy to fly especially for its size and it doest have the tendency to do a dutch roll like earlier jets.
Reversed input switches? Dumb move on Boeing's part.
Dude kudos to the time you take out for the community and make us understand about the real incident through the simulation..That transition from simulation to the real one was so epic..Keep up the good work 🫡
Id have loved to hear the voice recorder for that 1h42m fuel dump.
Not very exciting as a rule. DEP could have sent them to a holding point, picked altitude and left or right turns, set the downwind leg length, and let them cycle until they were done. The interesting recordings would have been the calls to/from Company, which we never get to hear.
@@sawning3449 i meant the guaranteed blame game that left and right seat had for 1h42m lol
ALWAYS good to hear when everyone survives!! TFC, excellent graphics and description. The transition between the simulated accident and the actual footage was incredible!! Outstanding! Thanks!! 👍✈✈👍
It’s amazing how many minute details are involved in flying. By not making that small adjustment to speed, so much damage occurred (both with the aircraft, 2 injured, and I imagine some PTSD with passengers.) I have so much respect for pilots after watching these bc it’s not an easy job!
How many main line domestic flights happen each year without incident. That's pretty remarkable.
I remember watching this as I was a lifeguard at Coyote point San Mateo and had clear view from the beach to the airport and I remember watching this whole thing unfold
Wow, what a vantage point. I recall ages ago on a very foggy day when a JAL aircraft was flying 20' lower than instruments indicated, and landed in the mud off Coyote Point on approach to 01L.
@@ecphorizer Yep I remember that too ,perfect landing just a little short of the runway. And oh how things have changed in the Bay area from what I consider the good old days blessings to you and your family coming at coming atcha from the mountains of Southern Oregon
Transition was flawless. You are becoming an expert at this!
That landing, with a heavily damaged plane still carrying 60% of its fuel load, could easily have ended up like the Asiana flight that hit the same ALS mounting apparatus on the same runway, 40-odd years later. The crew messed up big time in calculating the takeoff speeds and flap settings but at least they (somewhat) redeemed themselves by getting everyone back down in more or less one piece, and also somehow avoiding a hull loss.
didn't the asiana flight hit the ground after and lose it's entire tail
@@potato1907 the main gear hit the same ALS supports which caused it to slam into the runway threshold.
@@rich_edwards79 oh i thought the ALS just scratched it a bit but then it lost the tail when the tail slammed into the embankment thingy
I'd like to know how long it took to repair this aircraft and how much it cost.
@@anthonywilliams9852 probably about 20 minutes aND less than 50 bucks
Knowing how quaint, by today's standards, SFO looked even in the 90s, I was a little disappointed that the simulator does not have a "time machine" for the airport buildings.
Agreed. From memory, I'm not even sure it had skybridges.
No kidding, i learn so much from this channel and other high quality channels on other subjects. There is something about plane mishaps that really catch my attention so i just love to make my own playlist of TFC videos and let them roll for a couple hours, i watch most of them a couple times anyways.
I was a distant witness to the circling of the aircraft from Stanford University, Palo Alto. A light aircraft flew in formation with the accident aircraft for quite a few circles. This was for the purpose of damage inspection. It's hard to say what the pilots could have done differently with different observed degrees of damage. So the aircraft did not just circle out at sea, it also circled passing over Palo Alto.
I was living in San Francisco at the time & this story was huge & people were talking about it for days
To me, it was a very educational video and it taught me how flap settings and proper flight calculations can mean the difference between life and death.
When the runways changed the crew didn’t recalculate the takeoff parameters and because of that the 747 had to make a very scary emergency landing.
While the crew was responsible for this incident, I do commend them, especially the Captain for landing the plane without things going from bad to horrifically worse.
Excellent video
One of the hardest shit landing I ever seen..Must of been his nerves...
Brilliant to have the live video added at the end. Love this channel!
It is interesting to note that it was not known the 747 would tilt backwards until this accident. Unfortunately this is how things are found out.
Great transition at the end. Almost unimaginable mistakes by the flight crew. This was the 747 that ended up as a restaurant and then an abandoned hulk somewhere in the far east...Japan or Korea. I can't imagine the physical agony endured by the passengers as the plane dumped fule and damage was assessed over almost 2 hours. One of the injured had a partial amputation of the foot and unless the physicians on board happened to be carrying a couple of syringes of morphine with them, the injured had no relief. In your simulator program, is there a way to configure airports and vehicles for different times in history. The tugs and vehicles don't look 1970 vintage and FedEx wasn't around then...it was Federal Express!
Someone acually made a documentary on TH-cam about this 747’s fate in korea
@@localcarthief Yes I remember the interview with the teary eyed flight attendant who was on this flight lamenting over the fate of this plane.
@@MrCrystalcranium yeh, unfortunately, she got scrapped in the end
Yes I saw that show on television about the creation of the 747 but I didn't know THIS was the exact same plane that had been turned into a restaurant and then scrapped! What a very sad end to a fantastic aircraft!
The software creating the Tugs etc is an addon to Flight Simulator by GSX and represents modern conditions. Effectively you cant change the vehicles but you can change the names and logos that are on them.
I was 16 and living south of SFO, to the west then.
Glad the 747 stayed airworthy enough to land with the great help from the pilots.
Interesting, to say the least, that some of the takeoff configurations were adjusted, but not all. That said, AMAZING video!! You outdid yourself with this one, which is no easy feat. That transition of the landing from simulation to the actual landing is just incredible.
I subscribe to and watch a LOT of channels on TH-cam, but I can honestly say TFC is the one I respect and admire the most. Your work is absolutely incredible. Bravo!
That must be a pretty grim task back then to get out the camera, load it with film in the event the plane might crash. I was confused by, "three lengths of an angle iron," I'm not sure what that's referring to.
Basically, three long pieces of steel. There were probably lights and/or antennaes attached to them at the end of the runway. Someone else might could explain it better than I.
This transition 10:51 was absolutely flawless. This is why you're the best in this business TFC 🔥
Wow. My guess is that pilot was out of a job rather quickly. As said before, it would be especially interesting to find out what happens to the cockpit crew after such incidents.
no they didn’t fired the captain and f/o they were grounded from 1month as a punishment
@@hellosiri1483 Did someone say punishment?? Hahahaha! I specialize in punishments. When I punish someone they never misbehave again, EVER!!
@@reganmacneil2578 did i asked you how you punish someone? are you literate person? or you never passed 5th grade in your school hahhahaha never brag about your bad side no one gives a fu**k and if you’re so come meet me 😂😂 i will explain you how i punish
Unbelievable that FIVE crew members failed to recognize that new take offs speeds had to be recalculated after changing the flap setting. They should have all been fired! Unbelievable they didn’t know their runway was closed either. Landing was terrible; easily could have cartwheeled the plane and killed everyone. What a colossal screw up by the crew.
I was wondering the very same thing! Kind of like "where are they now" sort of thing! The expense to put that airplane back together again? Incredible!
Those magic words are music to my ears and what makes me happy watching any of TheFlightChannel’s videos : Everyone Survived.
I love surprises!! You surprised me by editing in real footage. Cheers 🥂
Just a great channel. I really enjoy aviation accident videos, for some reason, and this channel is my favorite. Simulation video combined with text, instead of voice, is an excellent way to tell these stories. Kudos as well to how you clarify most of the more arcane aviation lingo so us noobs can understand. Keep up the good work.
My maternal grandfather Rod Proctor was the relief engineer on that flight
Bet he had some stories
I'm a 747 pilot. For British Airways. I also served in the RAF during the Iraq war and Afghanistan. Also during The Falklands Conflict and during WW2. I must say this video has some of the best text on the screen that I have ever seen.
That comment
*Scares me*
Why did the accident happen, was the runway short or Vr was not adequate & less?
@@joydasgupta9445 Although I'm not a B747 pilot, I am retired from the DC-10 and B767, among others. Since Runway 1R at SFO is shorter than 28L & 28R the flap settings used are different. With 10 degrees Flap on the longer runway, the V-Speeds are higher. Selecting a 20 degree Flap setting means correspondingly lower V Speeds. Put another way, V1 is "takeoff safety speed", commonly referred as "Go/No go". Point is to be able to abort BEFORE V1 and have room to stop. So, lower V1 means lower VR, and the Flap settings are increased to accommodate the lower speed after lifting off.
@@captaind6178 DC-10 is a more challenging aircraft all due to it's manual controls & frequent issues that generated on board on many occasions.
Looking at a shorter runway the pilots went for a 20deg flap. That's a good decision.
Then they didn't reduce the V1,Vr speeds & kept the higher V1, Vr value of flap 10deg..
Other than eating up some extra runway length, a higher ground speed for take off is good & safe isn't it ? One can get a better lift & can climb at a higher pitch rate.
Here they kept a higher Vr but still couldn't get a good climb rate.
You must be 95yo pops
Really enjoying these videos. I have never heard of so many of these incidences before. Beautiful work!!
woah!! i cant get enough of how the transition went from the simulation to the real footage! been watching the last part of the video repeatedly and still can't get out of it! massive job!
I was living in Oakland at the time of this accident. It seems that when the F/O discovered that 28L was closed, and that the first 1,000 feet of runway 01R was closed, they should have immediately re-calculated their takeoff parameters. Since 28L was closed there was no indication of whether takeoffs were being allowed on 28R, which is considerably longer than 1R, and requested that runway if possible. Runway 28R is over 10,000 ft long.
I too was wondering why 28R is not mentioned as an alternative.
@@premkudva but the FO did request the tower on his own volition if they could take off from runway 28 R. It was the captain who insisted to take off on the closed runway 28 F, and finally the tower told them to take off from runway 01R, stating there would be enough space on the runway for them to take off. At this point there was a communication confusion between the pilots and the tower and the pilots understood that they had an extra 1000 feet of runway 01R to take off bringing the total takeoff distance to 9500 ft instead of the correct distance of 8500 ft.
@@anthonywilliams9852 thanks a lot for that detailed reply. There was no information even on the Wikipedia page regarding this.
That transition deserves a freakin gold medal,solid job.
Omgg! Didn’t expect the real video is coming!!😩 so smooth!! Happy that all 218 people arrived safely!!!
Can you imagine being stuck on that plane for two hours, knowing eventually it’s gonna have to attempt a dangerous landing.
OMG.....that simulation to actual video was one hell of an editing skill...thanks TFC
Another amazing job! Your transition from sim to actual footage was breathtaking!!!
At the time this happened, I had just taken off from San Jose Municipal Airport in a Cessna 150. We were headed north up the bay and were monitoring San Francisco tower over the NAV/COM when we heard the chatter about the Pan Am mishap. We listened to the drama unfold as the crippled 747 headed west out to sea to dump fuel in order to bring the plane into a safe weight to land. By the time the fuel dump was complete some 100 minutes later we were out of radio range.
Your graphics are truly amazing and a great transition to the real footage of the calamity that could have been much worse
I just realised that it’s already been said, but the transition from simulation to actual footage was seamless and visually amazing. Your attention to detail is remarkable.
(Real Communication with ATC)
Pilot: 845 Coming in Hot!
ATC: Roger. We’ll film it
Animation to real footage. That’s insane bro. Loved it. ❤️
So, I réalize there were no fallacies, but would be curious to know the extent of injuries to the 2 passengers......everyone was very lucky that the damage didn't effect the hydraulics and allowed for them to dump fuel and land safely.....otherwise, things might not have been so fortunate.....curious though, title says ONE pilot mistake......so, who is to blame here.....the pilot or the 1st officer???
Sadly very serious injuries. From the wiki on the accident:
Rods of angle iron from the ALS structure penetrated the passenger compartment, injuring passengers in seats 47G (near amputation of left leg below the knee) and 48G (severe laceration and crushing of left upper arm).
@@KahrylBlack Thank you for those additional facts.
Good English but with one fallacy.
@@BrilliantDesignOnline nothing you couldn't have googled for yourself.
@@johnd5398 I know but saves me a trip.
Are you a pilot? You do a great job. Wonderful channel. Very informative and creative. Excellent!
It seems to me a lot of people comment on the video with out watching It….
You got that right. I almost rewatched it to see what I missed.
I like that you left out the intro this time. It gives too many spoilers and I always skip it.
Awesome Job recreating SFO, it's perfect. :)
"Little" things (and there is NO such thing in aviation) fell through the cracks, ending up as a perfect storm of errors. Including the actual landing footage was amazing !!!
Am I the only one who watched that awesome transition a hundred times? Great job, TFC!
I always had fear to heights, of course that meant getting on a plane was a terrifying thing to me, in my life i only have travel in a plane 5 times and i still have fear to it. But these videos are fascinating to me, learning so much about the technical aspects of flying makes me see it with another eyes, the amount of work that pilots and crew members do is immense and of course you expect them to perform their duties flawlessly because people's lives are involved, but you can see that sometimes, human errors are inevitable.
Cheers from Spain and keep up the good work!
crazy, I have a fear of height but love flying
@@AverageAlien : How do you cope? Avoid the windows?
@@oahuhawaii2141 nope. There is no fear of heights if I can't fall off. There is only a fear of heights if I can fall and have no parachute
@@AverageAlien: So, have you jumped out of a plane with a parachute?
11:05-Plane must've still been quite heavy, that's one helluva bounce! Hard landing, tyres blown, but everyone walked off the plane. So, a good landing!
Well, except the guy with his leg nearly ripped off and the passenger with a crushed arms and at the back injuries deplaning due to the tilt of the aircraft and the wind. But yeah, overall great that there were no deaths.
One of the most fascinating videos you've produced.
Yes I agree excellent transition from virtual to real footage, well done! Thank you.
How long does it take you to create a video? How many folks are in your team? Your videos are really really good.
Best news to read here is that all survive and even better no serious injuries. Although the metal that penetrated the aircraft must have been scary!
I always think it’s impossible to get better and better with these videos but you do! As other have said the transition from simulator image to real footage of the aircraft landing is seamless.
Thanks and I look forward to the next one! 👏👍
Very dramatic edit! Good job!
The Flight Channel is my favourite!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 you’re the best!!!
Maybe close runways completely for any repairs or alterations, so pilots don't need to recalculate their distances and speeds at the last moment to fit onto and take off from a truncated runway?
I got goosebumps when I witnessed your smooth transition from animation to real footage. You are so awesome man!!!
I'm a long-time subscriber of this channel and it is really awesome.
Thank you for putting the subtitles on top, so they are not blocked by the banner ads!
Loved being able to see some actual footage. Thanks TFC.
Amazing to know all these crewmen for born prior to WW2, and even before the depression started.
Your videos are incredible especially with that special transition. Good job !
10:53 that transition. Nice!
The transition from simulator to the real footage was breathtaking. My GOODness.
The real footage transition was incredible. WoW. Thanks for this outstanding video. I'm not a pilot, but it's almost inconceivable to me that 5 flight crew in the cockpit (with thousands of hours of collective flying) would overlook what appears to be a most elementary function of recalculating speed and other measures once they knew they were on a shorter runway. That seems like something a basic private pilot would know to do. I guess that's why there has been so much research (and many improvements!) in crew resource management over the decades. Does anyone in the comments think these kinds of oversights would happen today, or have the ATCs improved markedly along with the pilots being much more well-trained in CRM ?
This is definitely one of the best channels on TH-cam 🙌
That was transition was so smooth! Great video as always!
It's unbelievable how some of these experienced professionals do not follow procedure regarding check lists and other related items.
Brilliantly edited between the live footage and the simulation - I had never heard of that Pan Am very close call - I wonder how they "retrained" the flight deck crew or if they were booted out....
Pan Am Flight 845 (PA845 / PAA845)
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DEP: Los Angeles, US (LAX / KLAX)
STP: San Francisco, US (SFO / KSFO)
ARR: Tokyo, Japan (HND / RJTT)
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1969 Boeing 747-100 *N747PA* _Clipper America_
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30 July 1971
N747PA was the 2nd Boeing 747 built! It was last converted into a restaurant in South Korea in 2000. When the restaurant failed, the aircraft lay idle until it was finally scrapped in 2010.
Good Job TheFlightChannel!
Great video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Pan Am headquarters building, in Miami, is still in Coconut Grove / Dinner Key. It is use as the Miami City Hall. I grew up 1 mile or so from the building in the 1960's. I used to swim with the Manatees in the surrounding Biscayne Bay.
All your videos are really good! Look great, informative and respectful. Great work man!
I can say thanks to ur channel i can learn new things .. m an aviation aspirant student will start clg this year subject - bba in aviation.. i hope i can fly like this one day ❤️
10:50
Whoa!
What a transition! 😎👍
One of the best you’ve ever made, thank you!
I really enjoy seeing your reports. they help me to understand. they are wonderfully made. thank you for your work
Absolutely outstanding production, great work and thank you for sharing.
Damn bro, your editing is awesome
Another great video! Congratulations.
Great video. M y Dad worked for Pan Am in the 80's at Heathrow and would have worked on N747PA. She didn't get her Clipper name Juan Trippe until 1981 after the great man died.
A good landing is one you can walk away from, a great landing is one you can use the plane after.