Preach's Most Corrupt Guild - ConFused
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- In a previous video where we talked about our first raiding guild, Berzerkers, we mentioned how we both spent some time in what we consider to be the most corrupt guild we've ever been in: ConFused. Join us for another hour of storytime where we tell the tale of this guild!
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Shocked you didnt rage quit the second that dude logged his rogue. Thats beyond shit
Yeah I would have just said no to him and logged and let them gkick me.
Wow..
Imagine playing a game where you can casually log any of your character to get the loot
@@HorusHeresy1982 Vanilla was very different though, and he was already in one of the top guilds on the realm, it's not like now when you can just server transfer.
It's so aggravating. And those people that pull something like the priest are often times the ones that get angry the most the moment they don't get what they want.
Dude we played together! i always thought your voice sounded familiar...just thought it was just a typical brittish sounding voice and didnt think it was actually you. i have so many stories about Mortimus and the rest of the guild, you have no idea, i was stupid enough to stay with them till Karazhan in BC. If you want more stories, hit me up sometime, i still play on balnazzar even! my char is also still named Dnainsomnia.
Get in contact with him or something so we can hear the stories mate ;)
hehe I even know how the mortimus story ends :P or atleast how and when he quit.
@@dnainsomnia84 Seems like he did play later, the character is lvl50 now with Nyalotha gear
Love these old guild stories - got to get these stories to mike - he probably would invite you in the show if you wanted. otherwise if you write them down he can tell them in drama time.
Hey dude! I've relayed the message to him. -Nupss
I fucking love these storytime videos from you personally, I love hearing people's tales through the game, especially from the older days.
I hope u have a good day mike
You too Sami!
@@Preachgaming with too poo KK I
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Well it's too much
Asmongold: "Hold my mount"
Ah Asmongold being "gifted" the mannoroth tusk shoulders because he ran the group and invited the warrior who got them.
@@HorusHeresy1982 people join his raid to give him loot tho
Holy shit I remember Mortimus, I raided with him in WotLK in Reanimated. Absolutely awful player that would lose his shit over nothing. I also remember him and his little officer circle giving themselves priority on anything they needed lmao. His reputation proceeded him on Balnazzar in Wrath, he was a massive meme among a lot of Guilds.
So he was all talk and no skills to back it up? 😂 Plus he sounds toxic with that attitude 😂
That was one of the things prior to connected guilds / shards. People had server reputations, good or bad. After awhile even those in "good guilds" might no longer be revered once people know that they are crap people. And not just raiders, but in dungeon-running, people got reputation not only for skill but their behavior.
@@GoddessPallasAthena okay well I'm currently playing wotlk classic and even though I'm not the best player by any means I try to be nice and helpful and own up to my mistakes
I was in confused as co-guild master with Mortimus after AHU left playing on my warrior, (then went back to playing Dukes my druid in Harlequins and moved on to create Celebrity with friends in TBC and write the Feral Druid Megathread on EJ), and was one of the people who left to go to Harlequins so must've missed the full corruption, but certainly saw the start of it and it was the reason why I left (along with having friends in Harlequins which gave me an easy opportunity to move). Let me know if you want further details of things, I can still remember a lot of the drama quite vividly.
Why did people put up with this nonsense back then first time someone screwed me like that I would've walked
@@gokublack8342 Some of us didn't put up with it, that's why half the guild left prior to Preach joining. Remember that a lot of people playing were younger and didn't know what to expect - as Preach said in the video, if you didn't have previous experience in a guild then you might not have known this wasn't the norm. Also the early corruption was less blatant, things like dkp 'errors' and stuff like that, then it became more blatant as the officers were taken over by the more corrupt core.
OMG, this reminds me so much of my first real guild in Vanilla. Officers abused the Suicide Kings loot system to gear up their alts over mains, and then complained when we didn't have the numbers to progress on current bosses. The guild collapsed when a whole group of core players quit over the fact that recruits couldn't get gear. What was left was forced to leave the server because their reputation was in tatters by then.
About the "raiding tax" paid to officers and GMs back in the day: it is important to note that raiding was a lot more exclusive than it is now. To be invited to MC or Ony was a big deal. To kill anything past Gehennas or Garr in MC was a huge privilege for a lot of the player base, so guilds had a lot of leverage over players when there were only like 6 guilds clearing MC every week, maybe 3 clearing BWL, and 1 clearing AQ and working on Naxx, as opposed to every piece of content in the game being puggable and every piece of gear being auctioned in a gdkp. When that is the environment, a raid slot itself is a massive form of payment, so officers were able to extract a lot out of people.
It doesn't make it okay, but I just say that in answer to anyone thinking how ridiculous it is for people to allow this kind of stuff to happen.
Never known a game to have just so many interesting stories come out of it
i think Eve is similiar in stories.
@@Blechhower yeah eve is almost in a category of its own
@@Blechhower the absolute best stories, but cannot stomach the gameplay
I was in the guild during TBC on a dead server (Uther). There was no guilds to really choose from so they were basically our only option on server. This guild was so awful and corrupt, but 19 year old me just didn't know any better at the time and just wanted to experience raids. They used DKP, but carried DKP over from vanilla. I was playing Shadow so I didn't really need too much gear from SSC/TK.
What set me off there was when ZA released, they wanted me to join the core group in there. They wanted to use DKP to determine who got loot, but didn't want to charge those people DKP. I didn't know this until after the first boss. a Socketed Mp5 ring dropped, and the warlock class lead (who was the GM wife) demanded it over a resto shaman. I was pissed, left the raid group, put GM on ignore. I got booted, and 3 other people followed me including their main feral tank with the nature resist gear.
Different game but I would not join a guild / linkshell in FFXI unless we used DKP. This was because I had experienced Linkshells where the officers distributed loot at their discretion and despite having a 96% attendance rate, always playing classes I hated because they were needed, I got passed over for gear constantly by Officers so that they and their close friends got it all. The moment I went to a guild that used DKP where items had a minimum value and you could bid over and above that to get that item and then that value was subtracted from your current DKP I started to get gear. The progress I made in the 18 months in a DKP system far outstretched the combined 3 years I played outside that system.
But as you said they weren't charging people DKP so what's the point in DKP if the original guild members effectively have infinite DKP over the new members.
You better do more of these Preach! Super interesting stuff! I've also been very interested in you going over each raid (you've done) and dedicating some time to talk about how progress was, your own feelings on the raid, anything that might've happened with the guild in that time etcetc.
I know this video is 2 years old, but I just found your channel recently. Thank you for helping me relive some of my Vanilla nostalgia. This video is great. I miss my Vanilla raiding guild (Remnant on Darkspear). Was good times and good friends. Miss the simplicity of those days!
I'm super late to this but dang. It's insane how Sabumaru litterally stopped the entire raid and lied straight to Preach's face JUST so that he could get a dagger on a rogue he didn't really care about. Thank you for sharing!
loot prio in vanilla wow: guild master>officer=any girl=guy with vioce changer>friend of guild master>long timer member>member>disenchant>trial
Hilarious sidestory, I was in an LS in FFXI where this person's voice changer died mid sentence and a bunch of the male officers immediately said WTF and started freaking out. Turns out they were cybering with a dude. I found it hilarious and was laughing in vent, audibly our LS leader and his wife were the only reason I didn't get kicked cause they said, "We told you idiots this ourselves, but you voted to give this guy gear because he e-whored himself out to you all." this caused several officers to effectively lose officer status... the dude with a voice changer, well kicked not because the leader / shell holder agreed to it but to prevent an implosion. And Finally we went to a DKP system which is what the shell owners wanted cause they knew their officer group was playing favourites and it was encouraging e-whoring.
Still a Top 10 hilarious moment for me in my life of gaming.
Coming from someone who is a major noob into Wow and wanting to raid this is very helpful! Thank you both.
So thankful I didnt go through that kinda crap in vanilla. I got really lucky and got into what became the top guild of our server right when they started BWL. They did a loot council that was focus on progress and being the best on the server and giving gear to the people who we showing up doing things to help the guild progress and we had very little to no turn over. Vanquish - Laughing skull. So many good memories and people.
Definitely would like to hear about Darklight, these stories are great.
As a GM/RL of a guild using RC lootcouncil I completely feel the "I don't want to loot items to myself" thing. It just feels super weird seeing a big upgrade drop for someone which is tradable and having to decide if it's biased to vote for myself or completely reasonable. Typically if an item is a significant upgrade for multiple people I just trade out to them first because I'm focusing on other things than play in raid anyway but it is hard to navigate for sure
When he swapped to his rogue, I would have told him "well, gl with that" and /gquit. That's some freaking bs right there. I would've absolutely lost my shit at that.
Yes more story to more story time keep it up love the format
This was an amazing storytime. Thank you Preach, i miss this type of content from you
This was awesome, really enjoyed it. Feel so sorry for you raiding for months getting nothing... TBH I would've lost it way before then.
I was in one of those corrupted guilds in classic vanilla with my friend. Stayed because of him for a long time, but had to leave in the end. They were handling out gear and laughing while doing it. Many Core members were in 0/0 Tier 1 while others were 7/8 and 8/8 etc. I remember I was handed the enrage dispell book in mc and they said "wow grats mate, you deserve it!". Insanely gross people
Weow. The rare Drama Time Preach POV.
Guys this was awesome. Looking forward to hearing about your start to TBC!
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"That was some sick dispelling, good to have you here" LMAO your delivery of that is perfect
I haven't played wow for years but that story was really interesting, thanks.
I realize this an old video, but it brought back so many memories. During BWL - Naxx era of Vanilla I was in a guild called Prominence. Looking back on it, I was so terrible as a Warlock and in hindsight they were way more kind to me than I deserved.
I love these types of videos, hearing about the journeys of both Mikes and how they developed as players to where they are noe. I'm fully interested in hearing about TBC!!
Please do the Dark Light story, love these stories as well as the legends of wow interviews
I'm shocked that the other guy is trying to come up with excuse for that behavior. Like
bro, what
When he grabbed his rogue to take the dagger after you switched to your priest i would have left like right on the spot there.
I don't know how Preach stayed in that guild let alone finished the raid after that priest/rogue swap nonsense.
I had a raidleader give my final tier item to his friends alt even after I explained I needed it and was apart of progression, immediately gquit didn't even finish the run.
I know what Preach means when he says the GM of a major guild was treated like a god.
Back during vanilla when you were locked to a single server, a guild that cleared raids was a *HUGE* deal, they were seen as heroes to the low-geared scrubs of "lesser" guilds. Seeing people decked out in purps was a magical experience, and many a nooby spent their time just inspecting those players in major cities and day dreaming of a time when they could get that gear.
So being part of that sort of guild, a guild that actually killed bossess and got gear was a monumental stepping stone for your progression and you were so thankful for it that you were willing to put up with horrendous treatment just to keep being a part of it. As long as you got gear at a fairly regular pace, and got to clear bossess, you didn't give a shit if the GM switched alts every boss, or if the officers kept prioritising each other for loot, it seemed normal and standard at the time, you just didn't question it. Crazy how brainwashed we were back then.
I can’t believe you put up with that...I left watching this video tilted
I’ve known a few people who have done the thing of switching to alts for specific bosses. It’s very infuriating waiting for people to run in.
Man hearing stories like this makes me so nostalgic. If you see this you spooky bastard wink wink. I miss you man.
Had a similar thing start in Classic, but it had a much better resolution.
My guild's guild master kind of had the "give me all the stuff" dynamic going on, but it was mostly fine cause I get not trusting randoms that come into your guild and giving them loot. This was only a few weeks into classic raiding btw.
But one night his sister, who was still like level 56, wanted to come to raid. I was specifically asked to sit out for her. This sent the officers into a melt down. What the frickin cool thing was is that the best friend of the Guild Master told him basically "Step down or this guild isn't surviving the night". And the dude did. He ended up quiting, but the guild ended up going up to Naxx before Roster boss broke the guild up. Honestly, besides that moment, it was the best group of guys I've ever been in a guild with and many of us are still raiding together now and planning our reunion tour for WOTLK.
There was this show called drama time. This will fit there really well
This is like the video game equivalent of being the sherpas for an everest expedition. Carrying the team but getting nothing in return for it.
this feels like a scuffed HealthyGamer episode haha
Gotta love these old tales of vanilla back in the day, can only say I'm so thankful to of not had to experience this shit way back, it was tbc that killed "The Northrend Raiders" on ER horde back then, hearing the stuff you had to deal with preach, fucking respect for putting up with such bullshit.
Long story warning, Sorry :(: The CHT story is so relatable even in Classic as I had a similar experience on my Priest in Classic back in 2020. I got recruited to a Nefarian killed guild with the intent of swapping to Shadow as their current SPriest was quitting. Important note: I ran a pug the week before I joined them and got uber lucky and won a Lok'amir, which i made the mistake of telling my new guild. I joined them the week after and got zero loot for like a month and a half. When I asked why, "well we have a bunch of new recruits that also need gear and you already have Lok'amir. You're time is coming don't worry." I had like quest blues btw. The next week, we were coming to BWL and they asked me to spec swap to holy for the raid cuz they had a healer out. They had a pug mage come in my dps place. Nef's Tear drops and I'm excited cuz I really needed it.
It ends up going STRAIGHT to the pug. Like, no hesitation. He says thanks and leaves. Me and some of the other castres were like "uhhhh what." We get into MC after (binding run) and I ask the lead what was up with that as I and like 2 other recruits needed it. No answer. I message like 3 other officers and one finally says, "dude you're a healer. shut up. you didn't get it. get over it." Luckily, I knew the GM of the guild that the pug was in, so I DMED him. Turns out, the mage was my GM's brother who wanted the tear as payment for pugging. I DMed my GM to confirm, he just went, "ya, so?" I HSed out, left the raid, said "F your BS" in guild chat, and gquit. Got a few angry DMs threatening to "black ball" me, which was laughable as that guild was starting to quietly build a horrible reputation. I main swapped to a warrior and joined a great guild after that.
This is funny to listen to, I never knew how bad the drama was on horde side. My char was Vantheman (hunter) playing in Nordlys on alliance side :-) I remember the name Preach from bgs, I'm pretty sure.
Worst corruption I ever saw was in legion where in heroic we would sometimes get those mega titanforged items that were higher ilvls than regular mythic drops, and even though it was 40 ilvls upgrade for 1 person, we would be forced into giving it to a guy for whom it was 5ilvls upgrade just cause it meant that guy got 1 step closer to BIS gear.
So many potential massive upgrades just got wasted on funneling "BIS" gear to the officers.
I got a few stories about bad guilds...
1. Got kicked because I won the HHM when it 1st came out. Guild leader expected me to pass because he rolled 99 I rolled got 100
Instantly kicked me, soon as that happened and he's bitching on vent... 3 officers left and the entire raid team left grouped up at UC and made a new guild.
2. During TBC I was Rogue officer...
My guild was doing SSC because they had members quit them and form their own guild, so it was a slight rebuilding phase. The best guild on the server had been DE the Glaives for about a month, they knew I was geared enough so they offered me a chance at the Glaives.
So my guilds raid night got cancelled and I went to BT, in my guild we had 3 rogues (You'd think they'd be fine with me getting Glaives early) the other 2 Rogues started complaining they should've been carried to get glaive chances. All this happens on vent while I'm Deep in BT and in vent with this other guild (Knew a lot of those guys)
So we finish, I got a few bits of gear... No Glaives.
So we finish up chatting and I'm instantly bombed with whispers.
I switch over in vent and get fucking screamed at... I told them "Stick your thumbs in your mouth and suck them to calm down." Then vent erupts with just red lining...
I typed in chat "STFU on Vent, what's the issue"
Eventually they got quite, the RL said you're benched for 2 raids for not carrying the other rogues with you to a BT run... I said "It wasn't my raid, I don't pick whom gets to come and why they do... Further, why would I carry them when I'd be getting Glaives automatically? Why would I choose to roll for them when these guys are barely good enough for T5 content and I'm just getting this out the way so they only have to roll against each other."
Then... He said you wasn't present when Our Raid was forming tonight... This is where his argument failed.
All the officers and raid team (Except the 2 Rogues) called bullshit.
He gets mad and then kicks me... They got guild death instantly... They had 2 Rogues... They didn't have enough to raid Kara after that, they had to fully rebuild then
Never got the Glaives during TBC... Was sad.
WotLK made pugging much easier... I did that teaching raiding to people that never raided.
That was fun & funny most the time.
Eventually joined a guild and got denied heroic25m kill because the MT would faceroll in defile and the hunter kept buying gear from gold runs but he would cry about his dps on marrowgar till I lost my cookies and pulled a 5 minute rant about dumb he was and how he creeped on women in the guild and our sister guild.
He continued raiding but he never spoke again unless I wasn't there.
He was a Gear Score junkie instead of "Is this piece stat weights better"
Cata the sister guild pulled me to it because of "I keep that hunter away"
I used to say he doesn't play a Hunter but a predator and he has "Aspect of the creep" on permanently.
That guild was the best I was in and they barely downed shit, but the banter was crisp... I mean we downed FLs and DS but it was slower than others.
I was a Master Frost DK... So good, so very easy.
I'm so glad I've been smart enough to leave a guild before getting dragged into their bullshit. It amazes me the shit that people will put up with.
I remember gearing the tank and healer up, just to see them leave for a better guild. Happened many times.
This is how Hoagie Haven Heros ended, Soda and Snuntz's guild. The leadership was all on alts vacuuming up gear until everyone left them.
we need more stories like this.
There are a lot of awful guilds out there. My classic guild tried to implement a dkp crunch and give advantages based on join date for bwl
So the low effort long term players would get dibs, with no way to outpace them.
Helping guild mates, using consumables, topping meters, preforming in raids? Naw man. Join date matters most.
Funny thing is that's how many work unions operate lmao
Scouse Rogue? Yes lad cmed
We had a healer who got all the best loot despite us using DKP other healers needing the drops as upgrades never got anything even if they had more points, turns out they were showing "bobs" on cam to the GM.
Huh? I would have left that guild way before the core hound tooth actually dropped. Would have just said no when they asked me to change.
Before I even touched WoW or knew much beyond that it was an MMORPG (which had a bunch of people, so I didn't want to go near it at the time) my nephew, who had played during Vanilla (and then off and on pretty much till now, though mostly OFF in recent years) in one of those 40-man raiding guilds, though not very high end, I don't think, would tell me about the "guild dramas" "corruption" and "guild politics." I had heard bits and pieces here and there about such things.
When I began to play WoW, I didn't want to group up - I liked the RPG aspect, the world was beautiful (my roommate actually showed it to me as HE had wanted to play it for a long time and I finally gave in and got us high-speed internet). Most of all I wanted NOTHING to do with guilds. To me, they were terrible things - competitive, cut-throat, job-like, run like a military where they'd tell you what to do and how to play - NOT what I wanted in my leisure time videogaming. I didn't realize that those were pretty much just raiding guilds (probably moreso on the higher end, but others as well) and that there were actual guilds that were about friendship, community, and just having fun. (I'm in one of those - the same small, casual guild I joined in 2007 even now). I didn't join a guild till I was level 40-something, and even then, it took a lot of convincing since the word "guild" just had very negative connotation for me.
After I had been a part of my guild for awhile, I actually began to find these kinds of guild drama stories interesting. But before that, it really gave me an aversion to the idea of being in a guild. NOW, I'm seeking out Preach videos about these things. 😅 Also, now, while it's interesting keeping track of what guilds are doing well on your own guild, the exaltation of the high-end player or guilds isn't as much of a thing these days (at least I don't think) and I think it's better that way.
The nostalgia from the OG story times 😌
I had the same problem with my guild in TBC. I was being swapped out to heal on my paladin instead of going in on my mage. They sat me for a month because I didn’t offer to heal.
I love these stories. I quit WoW because of Shadowlands, as someone who just wants to clear heroic and try mythic, it's unbearable to work so hard to learn your class just to be gatekept by the grind. Love hearing about good and bad in WoW and the good old raids and stuff... I would try Classic but that got soured for me.
Mike is the OG drama time story
Me on My First raid of Gnomeragon as a Mage, with my guild on SOD classic.
Officer: Yo Why Didnt you Need on that staff?
Me: it wasn't an upgrade.
also Me: Was I supposed to?
Item that dropped Hydrocane this staff gives you unlimited underwater breathing.
I was never hard enough to stick around for that much. Raided a month and got items passed to alt off spec… quit immediately. Sadly I didn’t raid ever again until dragon flight. BGs were fun back then though (quit lich king, came back for dragon flight).
Loving the really subtle backround music! Also what the shit was this guild
i had someone roll for a tanking cloak in ZG myself the tank and the offtank rolled, i wasnt part of the guild yet, it was merging or something, but i won the roll, so a hunter rolled, won and said in coms "give it to the other tank" i was pissed at the time
i think the "worst" thing i have ever encountered towards corruption was, that the maintank could just call what piece of loot he needed and he would get it, but i cant remember him abusing it.
Else i really must have dodged all bad guilds from a corruption pov, even though i swapped guilds almost every content, but that was usually because some officers and i didn't get along on a personal level (frankly, today i admire everyone, who actually could bear 16 year old me) or i had a better opportunity to join
yeah im up for more guild stories
and people are confused why they dont want personal loot to be gone
could listen to old wow stories all day lol
this story is why personal loot is a thing in retail lol
I was in a guild where the GM geared all of his alts during 25mans.
I don't remember a lot of the details because it's just been lost in my mind to time and lack of relevance.
but I remember raid leading for a mogu vaults in pandaria. 10m for this guild I was in. I was main tank as a blood dk. the "real" raid lead was the guild masters son, who was an adult, he just had a shit mic so I did callouts and did all the scouting and wrangling people. eventually the guild master wanted to take a more active role in the raid group and decided to put his wife in it (without asking me), she was a mage, with an agility dagger, and no idea how to play her class. needless to say I said no. and instead of directly doing anything. he decided to REQUIRE raid members to join the guild facebook group, which I didn't want to do. and by refusing to join their facebook group he got his excuse to kick me. and I found out later that the only person in that group that stayed in the guild after he kicked me was his son, who only didn't leave because it was his dads guild.
Scary one for you preach. there was a scouse couple with one being called mort on tarren mill, watch out. haha!
I would have Gquit instantly the moment he came back with his rogue.
Actually I did split a guild because the GM was always giving loot to his friends and girlfriend even though they didn't need it.
Left with half the guild.
fuck'em.
Also, the mid tier guild I joined after that was disenchanting loot instead of giving it to trials, I still think it was stupid, but outside of that, the guild was fine ( still managed to create a drama because the officers wanted to kick our best players for playing with the biggest guild during summer while we weren't raiding )
My current guild didn't manage to kill Mythic Sire. We just got stuck just before p3. Even tho I didn't get CE this tier I kinda enjoy the fact that people are nice and officers are really fair and work really hard. Sure, there are some lacks of skill but to be fair for me it's mostly to log those 2 nights to get a hit at Mythic bosses. Clearing the content is nice but it's not everything.
So you were able to kill a much harder boss in Mythic generals, but Mythic sire p3 stopped you?
That doesn't add up.
@@haywoodjablome7822 actually it was p2 that stopped us. And I don't know why it happened. But there were issues with tanks dying in p2. I've only heard one of the tanks was reluctant with his CD usage and after the tier left the guild cause he was told that there will be a new tank.
I imagine this is how Asmon will look in about 5 years.
I played plenty of MMOs over the past 20 years, but never seen one as toxic as WoW in terms of end-game content. It's still bizarre to me why some people were such c***s to each other.
all the corrupt guilds ive been in(2 or 3) have done the same shit, either officers take gear for themselves to spite you, or give it to someone who doesnt need, nor even rolled for the item to spite you.
to spite you ? what the fuck with that masochistic bullshit ? what does that even mean to annoy somebody who is for example performing good in guild ? what the actual fuck ? i would gquit same moment but before that would ultra rage on them via discord or whatfucking ever, imagine spite on somebody.. he can do that to his mother lol
Story time makes me smile
remember tanking ulduar and tank sword dropped. i really needed it and had to bid DKP quite high to get it becaus the other much better geared tank wanted it for some reason and then he passed on it and i finally got it. not even a minute later the GM told me the other guy changed his mind and still wanted it and forced me to give it to him and i lost my shit and said fuck no, not my problem he changed his mind and they already gave it to me, its mine now. they kicked out of the raid and guild after that.
another "fun" time was in another guild that i had raided for years in and was concidered a healer rockstar, especially after i went back after being a top server guild after it fell apart in cataclysm. i just wanted to raid my friends again at a more casual level. we raided the entire firelands and i was a solid and loved healer by the entire raid team. but on dragon soul there was a boss wich i cant rememebr wich one. but its one of the ones in the holes in the beginning. but we kept on wiping and i suggested a diffrent approach becaus the way we did it didnt feel right and obviouslyt didnt work. and the raid leader repeated my suggestion in a mocking voice and belittled me, after years of carrying his dogshit tanking and listening on his rage rants every week and i lost it said i dont have to take this shit from him given how trash he was, and if he cant respect an officers opinion he should raid lead, and i just left the raid and i was then g kicked. later the vice GM asked me what happened as he wasnt there and i told him and he wanted to invite me again but i declined because just cant stand raiding with the RL anymore. pretty sure the guild died out in MOP, the guild had some really good players (frequent top 100-1000 logs, some of the best healers i have raided with that often got top 10) but poor progression becaus of the comradery the good players stuck around. so i guess when the good players bailed/stopped playing the guild fell apart due not being able to clear anything.
I remembered this when you were talking about difficult choices on loot and how peoples behaviour can influence that. In Nighthold Mythic we had a main tank that was causing all sorts of drama all the time, being down right rude to the off tank, blaming him for wipes that the MT caused etc. At some point, obviously, the officers had enough and basically told both the tanks to sort it out or forget about it. And this guy decided that he was not going to be on voice chat, unless the other tank is kicked. But he also wanted the mythic tier cloak because ''he needs it the most in the raid''. We kill the boss, cloak drops. MT still isn't on voice chat. Instead of giving him the cloak, the raid leader confronted him about his childishness. After a brief exchange, the cloak went to me for offspec, because the loot council decided that rewarding his behaviour would be counter productive. Dude left on the spot and thankfully we never heard from him again.
It's toxic to just "tell the tanks to figure it out or drop it" when one of them is clearly the problem. It's a good way of losing good, healthy players. Stand up for your healthy players and confront the toxic ones.
@@turkeygoblin oh absolutely it was the wrong call. Thank goodness it ended the way it did.
It was world 9th on Illidan Mike for celebrity 🙏 I come back to you from them before it happened as Cloudnine 😂
Goeres btw 🙏 your guild was run class mate super inclusive made me partially who I am today. Appreciate you x
Holy shit I was on EU Balnazzar!
I think I was even in a guild with that Raphiron person... Phoenix Flame, I think? Human female priest, right?
Crazy how that was 15 years ago and everyone remembers Raphiron for simply opening the gate, and if someone else had done it I probably would have completely forgotten that I was even in the dudes guild. lol
This is one big trip down memory lane here. Raphiron was indeed a human female priest and guildmaster of Phoenix Flame, of which I was also a member (Aerikus, one of the tanks). What was your character name?
Dude, i would have left the fuck out this guild if i spent more than a few weeks as trial.
So you were basickaly in Asmongold guild past then :D :D
Early days pvp guilds were just as bad. During TBC I know of at least two guilds where the officers were severely under-talented but had great players carry them, and then attempted to seclude anyone else from getting to "their precious." Bonus points for berating others for not having a "Win at all costs, personal growth is for scrubs" mentality. I guess he technically was pretty leet at being a hanger-on to some really good players.
Crowley, you were a real dumbass.
Also Smolderthorn-horde's top pvp guild in TBC had 3 world class level players, french canadians that carried like a 12-man officer core to gladiator. These officers of course believed they were so great and were "one of the best guilds in the world during vanilla when the game was actually hard (lol.)" I checked the armory during BFA...they dont appear to have cracked 2k since they split up with the sherpas that carried them up everest.
But im sure they talk about it nearly every day.
This guild had everything- the officer girlfriend holy paladin carry along, the trash friends (Wes you're an awful human being and somehow an even worse player) who were always in top tier content with them for no reason, the GM without leadership skills, guy who was an asshole all the time because the GM and him were tight, and the constant over-inflation of achievement... a guy who, no lie, sold a gold making guide for 50 bucks each that could be summed up with "Buy low, sell high, farm materials and max a profession." They genuinely thought they were something special. Well, they were, just not in the way they were hoping for.
Those French Canadians though. The spirit of Louis Cyr is alive and well, as they had to lift several thousand pounds of dead weight all the way up that ladder.
DEFINITELY interested!
Yo, where is Fin?
I got about 30 min in and had to take a break because I got so angry at those people.
Im surprised you lasted that long, I would have left after a month max based on these stories
A question about the hillsbrad pvp footage they are using in this video: I noticed one of the guys Preach was targeting was named "Mcconnell." Is this footage of a Asmon vs Preach kind of event or is it just some kind of coincidence/someone using Mcconnell's name who isn't actually him situation?
that was during the classic beta where players were capped at level 30.
that's the actual mcconnell, but it was pure coincidence that they ran into each other
Sorry to day but some liquid people screw randoms which come with them regularly on mythic over gear…
Our rogue GM had Thunderfury
Those stores just seem so incredibly absurd that its hard to even accept as reality , what in the fuck :D
Rule of thumb for everyone out there, never do shit without a fair shake at gear, you do the work you earned your place, period. "trialing" in a guild is a bullshit excuse for someone else to abuse you for labor. NOBODY EVER on ANY game is more important then you, because the guild leader isn't shit without a guild, and they chose to run the guild so they SHOULD do more work, I say that as someone who has run massive guilds in the past. Master loot is a tool to help distribute loot to those who need it, it should never be a weapon to kill the enjoyment of others by denying them gear they have a right to roll on. Don't let others play you for a fool, you're better then that.
Stories like this are exactly why people don't join guilds at all or only join dead guilds.
Not getting a single item while regularly running a dungeon sounds straight up impossible.
Yo that Vaati Elden Ring shirt tho
and thats why master loot was removed.
More story time !!!!!
What a trip down memory lane! Also played on Balnazzar back then (still do - UD rogue namned "Why"), and guys like Mortimus and Superginiman was toxic AF! But we hade players like Shadowsong, Zomania (GM of Celebrity) och Sveberg to balance it up with there awesomeness ^^ Didn't play much PvE back then, I was in Nightmare on Elf Street in TBC. Would be fun if someone else from that time was around ^^
supergini was toxic as fuck idd, i did some 3v3 with him and wow, heard he tried to get to denmark by marrying the priest medusa ( belf priest ) but she couldent stand 3 months with the fucker and sent him back to israel kekw
If I was toxic it was because you were incompetent and unable to dodge fires, did not farm proper gear, unable to handle the challenges of leading 40 people during new content.
Ggwp
@@superginiman i was never in your guild you loser. hows the life in denmark ?
@@duzoone3838
Obviously, you wouldn't be able to handle it.
I'm fine moved to Israel, thanks for asking hope you are well
@@superginiman i was in a much better guild on that server. i was in a much better place to begin with.