Did you ever do a video on the directors and writers of the various digimon anime? Im very curious if people know the pedigree of the people who worked on shows that were recieved well vs the later ones that ether didnt or did decent. I just looked and the first 4 seasons have some serious talent behind them
The wife, husband and mistress thing, the love triangle thing? That was a copypasta that was confirmed to be made up and untrue. Someone took Japanese article about episode and provided a fake translation that got circulated
I remember watching Last Evolution and by the end I was sobbing because it felt like the creators were calling me out for still loving something so much from my childhood, to "grow up" and that hurt in a way I cannot describe. Adventures and 02 have been a comfort anime to me since they came out, and to be indirectly told I need to let go of something that made me happy was a real punch to the gut.
Yeah I agree. I never saw it instead seeing it via a retrospective but still you can't just DO that kinda thing. I don't think any other media does this instead making older fans out to be wiser and able to help the younger fans out.
"Venusmon looks just like an ordinary human." Whoever drew her body did a wonderful job in making her look so eye-catching that close to 100% people ignore the TWO HUNDRED KILOGRAMS OF HAIR she has on her head. I know wild hairstyles are an anime staple, but that isn't just long hair, it is a braid with the thickness of a tree trunk. Who knew Venusmon was the head patron of Umbral Witches.
the widest part is about as wide as her hips, so it's hardly "200kg tree trunk" or an addition that makes her look not-human. I'm attracted to her design as much as the next guy, but you might as well just say adult Gon from HunterxHunter isn't human because of the 7 ft of hair on top of his head. I will agree, though, that adding wings or putting metal parts isn't that much of a dramatic change either.
@@jcnot9712 Gon's hair is free flowing, Venusmon's is a braid, meaning it has exponentially more hair. Also with her being a digimon, and olympus 12 member at that, she is much taller than your regular woman, so using her hips for comparison is misleading. Off note, Another detail of her design that differentiates her from regular women are the two wings on the sides of her head.
Nothing about Digimon really startles me but I will admit I raised an eyebrow when rewatching 02 recently and having Magnamon use the move "extreme jihad". It did make me laugh though.
The Dark Ocean thing was great, the implications made it really creepy which was the point. Also it's pretty accurate to the idea of Deep Ones from the Cthulhu Mythos, of which this episode homages rather clearly.
I think Ghost Game could be a good bridge between old and new fans. As an older fan I found it much more enjoyable than all the other original Digimon anime after Data Squad. It has a fresh feeling to it while keeping the charm of the older shows.
Completely agree. I don't know what is was about them as an older fan, but I couldn't bring myself to watch anything after Data Squad. But with Ghost Game out, I'm enjoying the premise much more than I thought I would.
I’m starting to take an interest in Ghost Game because it’s starting to finally feel like they’re not just adding young kids to franchise but adults as well, whether or not they we’re chosen ones when they were younger and just grew up or only just became chosen ones then. It’s not often to come across a mix like that and I think it needs implementing more.
I laughed so hard, when he said that there were some controversial designs I expected something like a Digimin with a bikini, some more or less "funny" stereotype controversy with a stupid design like that one black pokemon with the pink lips, or unintended sexual or religious symbols. But nah, straight up Hitler Agumon with a nazi armband LOL
With that first one, i can see the point being made *but Jesus Christ did that guy explain it like shit* What i understand the writer’s explanation to mean is something like “Kari misses her brother and wants him around more, but Koromon and the life Tai has now because of Koromon is keeping Tai away from Kari. Thus Kari has mixed/negative feelings towards Koromon as its ‘the reason tai is away”
Yeah, there's no way that dynamic was written to be taken as romantic (despite some fans taking it to mean that, which is just creepy). That said, the quote was either horriibly translated, or a horrible idea. No matter how clearly you explain your side of things, if you compare the dynamic of a brother, sister, and digimon to the dynamic of a married couple and a mistress, no matter how innocent your intentions, you're going to get people claiming incest is going on. And there will be people who hate that, and people who love that, and you don't want either.
To be noted that Japanese people see Child Love as Inocent Love , therefore Kari love for Tai could be very real but is seen not as erotic love but romantic love from japan point of view , this way the analogy kinda works as you explain and within the context of the original director explained You can also see this Inocent Love in TK and Matt , they even make fun of it on TRI , when TK says he is preoccupied about the new girl being alone in the digiworld and Kairi gets kinda jealous and teases him and TK says "Dont get preoccupied , you know who is my number one" and then looks at Matt who blushes and everyone starts laughing
I feel like a good way to bring in new fans as well as old is to do a series like season 3 where it takes itself seriously but also is interesting enough for kids to get into
Wait... Sistermon Noir was cencored in the US for beeing a nun with a gun? In the land of guns and freedom? Well, god bless the Double States of Moral.
Yeah, we're pretty weird about guns despite it being in our culture. Pokemon had the same issue. Guns in Hollywood movies? OK. Guns in cartoons? Not OK.
1:54 strange that you focus on their ages and not the fact that they are siblings or that adding koromon to the mix makes this almos zoophilic (or worse since koromon it's just a head)
Or talked about what kind of freak you have to be to even read this kind of shit into any of that. Like what the actual fuck?! I've been an adult for a while now and have watched that many times and still haven't read anything sexual into it even though I'm definitely a sexually active person. I'm not into kids or weird animal like creatures though.
@@DieAlteistwiederda I was able to pick up on a 'little sister with a big brother worship/innocent crush' vibe from kari, which is a common thing with kids. I could have gone my whole life without knowing what the writer was going for.
Digimon always reminds me of our pet dogs and cats. We grow up with them in the most important parts of our childhood and then there comes a point in our adulthood where we have to say goodbye and let them go. Teaching our generation the core value of our true best friends and keeping them forever in our memories.
How they didn’t see it coming that Appmon will fail, is still beyond me. No offense to the fans of that installment but Xcros Wars, which aired before it, was already cutting it close with the “being something fresh” attempt. I still haven’t met anyone that praises the “Hunters Extra Season” which came after Xcros Wars concluded. I like the opening of that season the most though.
I actually think appmon is one of the more better digimon series. I certainly think it beats savers, ghost game , xros wars and 2020 reboot hands down. The concept felt fresh, some of the digimon were really cool. Plus they kept the gimmick alive unlike tamers dropping the card slashes. Having hackmon actually hack the environment was the most digmon thing i've seen in along time. A rouge AI just like a rouge dark digimon. It was refreshing to see something other than just survival from big roaring monsters or evil angels. I want to love Hunters but the story was not great, I just like the concept of having hunts with different digimon.
Honestly Xros Wars is my favorite season(especially the second half), but the Hunters season is my least favorite by far. I don't mind the concept but the Hunters season was 99% filler and the rest was nonsense. They didn't even bother explaining how and why things in Hunters happened.
I agree that xros wars was one of the weakest series the second season was done really well and i personally loved hunters and tagiru/gumdramon was a fun duo to follow plus it feels like Mikey was better written as a side character/mentor figure. While tamers is still my overall favorite series hunters has easily entered the top 3 for me along side ghost game
Appmon isn't bad, but it suffers from what seems to a series staple: bad pacing. The story is actually pretty good?? Which astounded me, but the pacing is _terrible_ and kills what is good about the story. imo, the 3D and evolution segments are god awful and were the final nail in the coffin. They had something with Appmon but they tried way too hard to be trendy and like the top-rated shows (x of the day). Same thing with Xros Wars. It's basically was another Adventure clone, but with worse pacing.
Appmon had some good ideas, but it was riding the isekai bandwagon too hard and trying to talk about protagonists and purposely being a figure beyond the person. They also spent too little time too late with the powers and uplink mixups, so it failed to even equal the previous series in technical quality.
Back when the show first started airing in the states, I was in 3rd grade. I remember I had one good friend in school who also watched that I could talk about it with. Then one day after the VenomMyotismon episode, he comes to school and says his mom won't let him watch it anymore. Apparently she had an issue with the 06:06:06 reference as the mark of the beast. Now, 20-some years later, I still have to wonder how she missed the literal angel and devil fighting at the end of the first arc and only found issue with the 666 reference.
I don’t really see that last one as that controversial though. I don't see how it’s really any different from any IP experimenting for better or worse.
About the last point, kizuna being a "farewell" to old fans, now it's the complete opposite of that, because there's a pseudo sequel to kizuna in the way with the 02 movie.
@@AndrewHager02 in the digimon con that hapened this march they revealed the character design for daisuke. And that the story will take place 2 years after LEK
Well this is news to me! Thank you. I've been a bit behind on Digimon for a bit, due to Covid and other anime taking precedence. I'm currently almost done with 2020, and then it's Kizuna. I didn't know they were continuing after it, I was still under the impression that Kizuna was The End of that set of characters. Though, I am still sad, because I was really hoping Tri would continue since it ended on a cliffhanger.
Its always been my dream to make a VR Digimon game with AI technology to make them actually learning creatures so that you could live out your dream of becoming digi-destined every time you put on those goggles. I'm not a kid anymore, And I know that I won't become a good enough animator or AI-writer to make the game myself, so my hopes is to earn enough money to pay for the project to start. May be too late for me to be digidestined, but I want my kids and their friends to be able to live out that dream.
@@Halcon_Sierreno Studying IT and I have finished a degree in marketing. After I am done with IT, I'll start working and saving up. Start my own company at some point and save up even more, then contact Digimon for licensing and start hiring people. Its going to take me a long time, but that aint reason enough to scare me off :D
Hitler Agumon and Venusmon had my jaw dropping! Found it so hilarious that out of all historical figures to become part Digimon, they chose Hitler. I also love Venusmon's design. Very very cultured design 👌
When I first heard of the cancel culture story I laughed a little because of how silly it was. I agree with the last point, they'll have to find out what kids in Japan are into nowadays and cater to that if they really want to get a new fanbase.
Sistermon Noir was NOT censored in the West, it was only censored in America. European copies of Cyber Sleuth Hacker's Memory actually had Sistermon Noir on it.
@@4wheal i own the PS4 version and live in the UK, it did have Noir. the 'complete' version on the switch WAS censored though. also, fun little fact that i kinda like is that the digimon company actually ran with the idea so now sistermon noir, blanc and ciel are ALL canon, except the canon ciel has swords instead of guns
@@seanread5556 That explains it then i do have the switch version so it's the censored version. Way it's actually pretty cool how Ciel is now an official difimon and has even popped up in the newest anime
I have to completely disagree with your assessment that young children are less likely to become attached to the old anime. My son has watched through Adventure 01 and 02 on his own in their entirety five times since discovering it last year. He quickly became a diehard Adventure fan. He's 8.
new digimon fan is always good for the franchise to be honest i still watch digimon and i am 31 years old yes that a kid show but the series keep up to the first hours fan and the new fan because they retain the kid aspect and do treat some major aspect of ours live like acceptence of death (ex : gammamon and hiro watch bokomon died after the fight gammamon can't still accept bokomon will never come back), friendship and so on compared to pokemon you will never see a pokemon died
I think his point was that the creators for some reason don't think young kids will go back to watch the older series, especially if it's not widely-available (which is untrue for Digimon Adventure, it's widely-available), so that's why they have to come up with new ideas to bring in a new audience. (Though it always comes back to making money at the end of the day.) But it's true Applimon didn't do well, which is why they went ahead to reboot Adventure for a new younger audience, although I do have to wonder if that has been able to work on its own in gaining an audience of kids or not. Did children watch the 2020 series all the way through, or did they go back to watch the originals, and which one did they prefer? How many of those kids returned to watching Ghost Game despite it being a wholly original Digimon series? I couldn't get through the 2020 series, those first three episodes were dreadful and Koushirou was really annoying as a know-it-all more-so than he was in the original series. It was also too flashy, too fast, and it had a serious threat from the word "go" that was taking more cues from "Our War Game" than anything else. Not to mention that apparently only half of the cast actually count as main characters when in the original series, all eight DigiDestined with their Digimon were considered main characters. So like you mean to tell me Sora _doesn't_ actually have main character status in the reboot because reasons? No thank you. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for, but they also are easy to be set in their ways. It still sounds like the reboot did well since Ghost Game came out immediately afterwards, but how do they know it did well amongst children and not an older audience? If kids have to pick between the original 1999 anime and the 2020 reboot, which one would they prefer? Does it depend on which one they had seen first? I have to second the question on how it was your son watched the original series, if it was because you introduced him to it or if he picked out the show on his own (through streaming or by scouring your DVDs) since times are different nowadays compared to 1999. Though I have to commend that he first started it at the age of seven, that is honestly a perfect age to start Digimon and I don't think it's bias on my part.
that's the way it is. I would even say that older good animes are more popular than new ones. Many of the new animes are mass-produced and you can tell that at every point. Good old animes are timeless and 100 years from now they will still be as good as they came out. maybe even better as the standard has dropped. You can see it very well in today's series. If you compare them with older ones, you can clearly and objectively say that the older ones are simply better and viewers notice that too. why people say that nobody wants to see the old stuff is just that they make little or no money with it anymore. With a new series, they earn a lot of money than a 20 or 30 year old series that is already ready to be broadcast again and again. especially if you have them on dvd/bluray. You should just consume the new stuff and preferably still pay for it, which is what streaming platforms and TV stations etc. do.
Last one. I think focusing on new fans is not a bad thing. Pokemon seems to have the opposite problem where it ties too hard to tap into nostalgia. I'd rather not see digimon fall into the trap of trying to milk adventure for nostalgia. My appreciation for adventure has only grown but I don't want it to become "hey you remember this character/digimon?" That they shoe in new property just to bait old fans.
The problem with Digimon Tri, Kizuna Ai, and the 2020 Reboot was never that the old fans were too attached to the original. It is that these three were made in defiance of old fans. When old fans were very happy to know that at the end of the original Adventure 02 story, that mostly everyone gets a happy ending, besides one bittersweet ending. Yes, old fans would always be excited to see stuff about the original series. But they're also the ones who are starved of new content. The original series should never have been touched again and Toei should've just moved on, not over milking a cash cow. You can revisit it, like how Xros did it, or Applimon did it, but never touch the story. Of course that's too late to say now.
I don't get this mindset, i understand it's frustrating if the product turns out bad but new media doesn't change the old show. Kizuna ai was targeted specifically to older fans and was a pretty good movie, i think that concept was admirable. The reboot did a good job starting from the beginning but changing it enough to be fresh for old fans while still having the vibes of the original. The only one that really failed was tri, they forced a new story with fan favourite elements but just lazily wrote a plot around it, makign a lot of characters go through developement we already saw, movie 6 played butterfly like 6 fucking times in a desperate attempt to evoke emotion, that's the kind of forced fanservice i can live without
@@WhoMightThis1Be I'm pretty sure I explained it that Digimon Adventure 02 had a perfectly good ending. And hence Tri, Kizuna Ai, and the Reboot were not needed. That's why just small moments of revisiting it is fine. Not a rewrite of an ending to a beloved series. And if you're so tired of forced fanservice, I have no idea how you could defend the Reboot. The first three episodes were Our War Game, but with a reskinned villain. The Reboot is nothing but forced nostalgia and fanservice, just with none of the original soundtrack. If they were going to do that, they could've just made a new season not dependent on the original eight Digidestined. There is a reason why Ghost Game comparatively is getting better fan reviews. It isn't that the story is original, but because it is entertaining and doesn't reneg the older series.
I think the first one with a Koroman, Hikari and Taichi love triangle and Digimon Tamers take on PC culture were the most interesting to discover for me.
What annoyed me was the English version getting rid of the original music and adding that stupid Digimon rap. I wish they’d do a remastered version with original music like they did with DBZ.
You know the dub dragon ball z removed all the ost of Japanese and replacement with metal songs. The epic soundtrack 80s in Japanese version. I noticed it when I watched freeza saga back in the 90s. I also watched the Spanish until cell saga they have the original ost.
Damn maybe I should've realized something was up when weregarudomon was the only one that I was interested in seeing and I didn't understand why my friends even liked angewoman
Hitler Agumon: So, you get to beat the digital crap out of a version of Hitler. Is it just me or does that seem like a great idea that was wasted as soon as it was licensed?
Hollywood and game studios have already done this idea (Hitler himself, Nazis, space Nazis , _zombie_ Nazis...) to death. Then somehow people complain that a digimon game has a Hitler expy as a villain.
I used to be really into the franchise as a kid, collecting the transforming actions figures and watching whatever managed to find its way onto my tv that only had 5 channels. As I grew older and less stuff got broadcasted I just forgot about it. And so, I'm quite surprised to see that the franchise is still going, and I'd consider getting back into it, though it seems like there'd be a lot of catching up to do. Maybe it's something I'll leave in the past, but this franchise meant a lot to me as a kid, and I'll always prefer it to Pokemon.
Best thing about Digimon, pretty much every series/season is its own thing. So you can watch any season from the start (though season 2 is connected to season 1...) The only one I'd say may get confusing is the arc Xross Wars/Fusion: "the young hunters that lept through time" as it references and brings back characters of past series. Digimon Tri (continuation) and Digimon 2020(remake) both reference the first season of Digimon so it may be good to skip them if you don't remember the first season. Lastly, applimon is a spin-off of Digimon that, from what I've heard, is really good. So there you go. You have ten digimon series to choose from, including the currently airing one that's focused more on horror (ghost game). Have fun.
As per what the comment above me said, the seasons tend to be self contained with their own rules. The perfect entry point is actually the currently ongoing Ghost game. I have seen that it had appealed both to people who never seen Digimon and people trying to return to franchise
Quoting Mel Brooks' wise words: "We take away from him the holy seriousness that always surrounded him and protected him like a cordon." It looks like people nowadays are doing the opposite.
I wouldn’t call myself a hardcore fan per say, but I did grow with the original licensed US version. To be honest I didn’t know that digimon was censored as my ch as I’m now hearing about. With that said censorship and remaking of characters to fit the sensibilities of outside consumers really urks me. It’s pretty much a slap in the face of the original designers of said characters. And instead of coming together worldwide in our fandom we are left with small bits of decision. Take the nun digimon. Nuns have always been a taboo. Especially amongst Catholics that aren’t aware of their own religions darker history. There has been evidence brought to the surface that nuns and priests were not as pure as they had everyone believe. During various excavation of old church there was mummified remains of baby’s buried in underground cellars. Babies that likely the result of “unions” between priests,nuns, etc. With that history in mind I don’t see why people still want to protect the sanctity of nuns or priests. I’m not even going to get into religious private schools.
About the last point... honestly, that's my biggest issue with Digimon in general. Although I'm much more casual fan than the one that's experienced all of it (shows, games, etc.) it feels like a series that somewhat suffers with internal identity crisis to me. First there was the two Adventure series that was somewhat like Pokémon, but instead of becoming the best Digimon Master it was the good ol' "save the world!" -quest. Great, I dig it. Simple, yet fun and entertaining. Then came the movie and 02, more or less the same thing but with new characters. Again, not something I haven't seen before, but I like these sort of shows. They're sorta timeless and easy to watch. At this point what I considered Digimon being was like a "Pokémon but in a internet, plus there's a big baddie" Then came Tamers where they instead tried to raise the Digimon much more like Pokémon (side note, 'scuze me for all the Pokémon references, but it's to make this this easier.) and the show lost a lot of that weekly adventure feel it had, at least for the first half of it. This was the first time I had to adjust my view of what "Digimon" was, but for better or worse I liked that even though it leaned more to Pokemon formula it also differentiated itself from it. Then came Frontier and... Look, I actually like Frontier a lot (at one point it was my favorite). It's "different" and my boy Naruto Uzumaki is the voice of the goggle-boy this season, but holyffffff---- did they... try something new with it -shall we say. It tried to have more Adventure again, but due smaller cast and basically forgetting the Digimon partners - the shows namesake for crying out loud - it just.... It just didn't feel like "Digimon" at all to me. As said I enjoyed it, sure, but not as a Digimon show. Enter Savers and... at this point it was back to being more Tamers -like, but also different from the previous incarnation yet again. It was around this time I also saw the X-Evolution movie which... Further confused me, although on a hindsight it is definitely what I nowdays consider to be "Digimon" Years later and I saw all three Xros Wars series and... Look, at this point I basically gave up. If Digimon Power-Rangers was kinda pushing it to me, then Digimon... Bakugan(?) was definitely as well.... At that point I just basically learned to accept that this was Digimon now. Not the one I felt like was Digimon, but... hey, it's for newer generation I guess. Then there was the world of video games. The franchise started with as a virtual pet so I get why the point of digimon is more like "monster X wants to be as strong as it can be" and for what it's worth the games (that I've plated) generally pull it off well. Dusk/Dawn, 2003. Cyber Sleuth(s) etc. etc. all follow this formula, while also (much like the shows) trying something different with each incarnation to fish out more new fans, but at same time they also make it harder to brand themselves off. Instead of being like "an apple is an apple" Digimon is a lot like "an apple is an apple... but what if it also tastes like a pear as well?" ALL THAT SAID I've now settled for "Digimon" being the "X wants to be the strongest monster" -series and it's what I should expect from a Digimon product more than anything. And for better or worse I feel like Digimon Comp. also has sort of finally started to realize all this as a problem as well and started to have more consistent feel to their product, Royal Knights being a returning factor in much of the media being just one example. And this is good. Back as a teen Digimon was a lot harder franchise to "be a fan of" since all it had to do was give a solid product for its fans, but instead had a mid-life crisis that it didn't need at all while trying to fish out EVERYONE. Which ultimately hurt them, I'd argue. But (as said) it seems they're finally starting to realize that sometimes all we want, and more importantly NEED with Digimon being is just an enjoyable fun adventure. And more importantly; also learned that they CAN'T satisfy absolutely EVERY PERSON UNDER THE SUN. It's a lot easier to be a Digimon fan nowdays due the series starting to be more consistent. And now that they have (finally...) settled for a solid base they can start to build it better and evolve from now on.
The fact they released a special that actively contradicts the epilogue of Adventure 02 shows how these anniversary specials are controversial in a way. As for the rest of the list, only Hitler Agumon was what I'd call poorly thought out.
The specials, don't contradict the epilogue of 02 , the movies take place before the epilogue of 02 , the tamers find a way to meet up with the digimon again that's when the epilogue happens
as a 28 year old fan from the start, honestly you described the exact reason i loved digimon last kizuna. While pokemon always keeps ash the same age and has a "you don't have to grow up! keep buying our products forever!" attitude, digimon the last kizuna saved that mentality for their villain, because in digimon the characters grow up, they have to make big life decisions, and in the end they let go of their childhood, but they keep the memories of it in their hearts. And i think that's a really good message to send. even though they totally retconned in the whole "losing your digimon when you become an adult" thing, because plenty of tamers throughout the franchise have been adults.
Doesn't Agumon say something like they're parting for now, or have to say goodbye for a while? I took it more like..it's hard to describe. Like, you have to do stuff without your ground. And once you've gained that experience, it's fine to step back onto it.... Leaving home could kind of be an analogy. Like go off, live independently. Your |childhood| home is always there for you, but strike out on your own. So for Digimon, it would be like, Tai and company have to find new landing without their anchors. Once they've learned how to do that, the Digimon can come back in, because the balance will be there. ! Dependent relationships may be a good way to put it. Like find yourself by yourself, and then it's okay to return to the relationship. It's not completing you, as you've become a complete person without it. Once you know who you are without them, the Digimon can come back again. Kind of like that "if you love someone, let them go" thing. In this case, the Digimon would be like the parents, pushing the kids out of the nest. But once they know they can fly, and they'll never lose that flight, they can be together again. SO, to translate it into real world digimon viewers: maybe yeah, "let go" of the show for now. For a time. Until you're not so needing it to be something |like the show you used to know|. And then you can return to it, see it clearly, and it's a more positive situation.
MarcFBR of WiththeWill forums was one of the lolcows who got offended by the play calling out the witchhunt mobs of cancel culture. Digimon is based. Konaka is based.
1st one: Not only underage, one of them isn't even human! Not even humanoid, for that matter! 2nd one: Bruh - the concetration camp was a little to much, and that's saying something, being about AGUMON HITLER. 3rd one: The majorioty of the fan base/audience is made of males with social dificulties, of course they'd capitalize on that... 4th one: Cringe, just cringe... 5th one: Again with Kari being on something sexual? Authors, do you have something to say? 6th one: It's sad, but some IPs do have an expiration date...
Honestly I think they should have kept Hitler Agumon but like played up how silly it is. Like Hitler was bad, yes but Hitler Agumon sounds both very imposing (concept wise cause Hitler) but also very silly. I mean its concentration camp was full of other Agumon, and Hitler put people he and the Nazi considered less then/non human in them... so that begs the question about the Agumon concentration camp. Does Hitler Agumon see himself as the true Agumon or does he see himself as a inferior digimon and thats why he is imprisioning other Agumon? Also I think Hitler Agumon just looks funny
It was never removed. Actually there were 2 Card Battle games, only the second was released outside Japan. Hitler Agumon appears only in the first one.
Thank you for being the ONLY nuanced video about the Digimon Cancel Culture thing. Literally every garbage tier Anituber going “Woke Japanese Mangaka SLAMS SJWs”, and shit like that. It’s nice to see someone who just says what happens, rather than anything cringeworthy.
sorry for my bad english i am from hispanic america and in this region from mexico all the way down to chile the show was't change at all but at the same time the biblic reference in some digimons were a controversial topic especially in some of the most religios contries in the region like mexico i think brazil and chile
The Mamoru Hosoda thing is so obviously fake. There's only one single source for it and what's described in the interview doesn't line up with the actual events of the episode. Kari is shown to get along with Koromon very well with no signs of jealousy. There is also a part where he supposedly claims that the ferris wheel in one of the scenes was actually just symbolism and that he was surprised that it showed up in later episodes, when that makes no sense because that ferris wheel actually exists in real life.
@@worldoflittleliars1234 Yeah. But to then act surprised because the creators included a piece of scenery that he claims to have included only for symbolism as if it wasn't a real object in-universe and in real life is a massive red flag regarding the authenticity of the interview
@@worldoflittleliars1234 That really doesn't change anything? Even if it was the same writer, you can not be responsible for something weird in one episode and then do something weird in a later episode. It's completely possible to imply one disturbing thing and NOT do another thing. If it's not real, though, then that means that this video just spread some pretty disgusting misinformation that PRETTY heavily makes a real person look REALLY bad. And that's not great.
I'm pretty sure that Adventure Tri and the Adventure reboot were meant to attract strictly older fans, because new fans would probably prefer something, ya know, new.
@@worldoflittleliars1234 No, if they wanted new fans, they'd create new stuff. Reboots and remakes are done to attract a built-in audience, because new fans could always just go back to the original if they wanted to.
Big Respect to Chiaki J Konaka We need more people like him that have some media reach to use that power to show the BS cancel culture an political correctness is
It's kinda sad that we don't see many companies trying to adapt a Digimon show for television. The last attempt was Digimon Fusion from Digimon Xros Wars and it was (gonna stop there to avoid saying something I'll regret).
All digimon have variant for better or worse they live from digital data send by people around the world i don't see HitlerAgumon as controversy as it is. because digimon is feeding on data input by human so the one to blame is the very people who thought that HitlerAgumon would be awesome.
No, the people to blame are the people behind the game that thought referencing an actual genocide would be funny. Of course, Japan doesn't have the same view of WWII as we do, but they still should have known better.
@@dracocrusher digital. If you've seen a lot of the recent..er...snafus with copyright, business plans, and business culture, most Japanese companies do what they want, regardless of consumer(and worldwide) feedback.
Digimon is my favorite. I still paly all the old games, look through Digimon Wiki and imagine being in a Digimon Adventure. I don't need anything new really, especially when it tries to cut me of from the frenchise. I'm 28 now :D
tri being more relevant at the time than Appmon doesn't proof anything about the fanbased honestly, even new Fans will tend to the established characters that they will likely have seen before since the early 2000s, on top of that tri was heavily marketed, i bet more new people watched tri than appmon since it's just a weird spinoff season. The real controvery is how fucking bad tri was though, i'm still so happy we got the reboot and other movie after it.
Could you do a video of the dark ocean but why it never took any of the digimon tamers to it because that digimon was more dark so I’m wondering why none of them was never taken to it
Its funny that Tri kinda killed Universe (applimon) but its a very subpar series. While, even if fanboys say the contrary, applimon was a very good series.
@Aaron Mills Have you heard of American Horror Story? Its a show that switches up its cast about every season or 2 (with some callbacks to past characters I believe). While this may be an adult example, it still shows that you don't need to have the same cast/group of characters all the time. Changing it up can work in the long run. But whatever the case, you need to do it well. If you do choose to keep the same cast and characters, they need to have some growth as the seasons go by. That's one major issue I've has with the Pokémon anime for years. Thankfully they've gotten better with it in recent times, but it was/is still very annoying seeing familiar characters having information dissonance. Basically, starting fresh every few season can be hard for gaining fans, but keeping the same characters can be hard when you have work with their character growth(or lack thereof) and setting/character info accumulated over time.
Adventure Tri could be controversial because how is possible that everyone just forget abour 02 kids? What was the point of Meicoomon and Mysterious Man? Kizuna forgot about these things and give us the end which is contradicting to 02 ending. And, this might not be controversy but favoritism in digimon anime - notably Adventure, 02, Frontier, Savers (in some extent), Xros wars, Adventure Tri and, most ridiculously, in Kizuna and Reboot 2020 - is just hard to watch.
Tri was just a poorly thought out mess that shouldn't have been made in the frist place. I mean what's the point of bringing in Yggdrasill/King Drasill as a bad guy and then have him killed off screen all that dose is create plot holes.
@@wanttogetfoodHomeostasis is the one who switched him off between the last 2 movies you probably didn't notice because he has such a small polt role and never actually turned up in person. It also dosent help that Evil Gennai his main servent just decides to do his own thing with zero care his boss is dead.
Frontier still has the worst handled favoritism in Digimon, despite it being better written than a lot of the bad seasons of Digimon. Hero and Rival assimilate everyone's energy only to job like they are Izumi/Zoe for 10 episodes!
Imagine expecting "warrior" nature out of a Digimon that is taken directly from a mythological figure that symbolizes "love, beauty, desire, sex, fertility, prosperity, and victory". Minervamon is there for that.
@@wargreysama Actually Minerva was not the main war god for the Romans that was Mars and Bellona. Minerva was more known as the goddess of crafts and only gained minor war aspects because of greek influence. Venus was very much liked to power and victory and has more links to war then Minerva.
I can't tell which is more controversial. -The first movie including that weird crossover with Angela Anaconda -The first movie including the song "The Rockafeller Skank" by Fatboy Slim -Agumon Hitler
It's those episodes that made it so much memorable. Those and Vamdemon sucking blood from girls. Never knew about Hitler Agumon; guess now we know why BlackWarGreymon always reminded me of a German stormtrooper.
All you need to prove a point is a legitimate source, which neither the uploader or you provided. So until one makes that effort, neither of you can be 100% believed
@@foxbuns the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim. If you or someone else says something and you expect them to believe it, prove it. Google search is how you get moron parents becoming anti-vaxxers.
I'm sorry, WHAT the FUCK? My man really couldn't figure out how to take the theme of jealousy and missing someone and apply it without deeply sexualizing actual children and an animal? Unbelievable.
Peoples thoughts. They put something dirty into something innocent. That love bond between siblings is like a best friend feeling but since its a boy and a girl their thoughts goes erotic into that. At the end its up for a persons thought about it.
The only thing controversial about Koneka's political correctness villain is how it exposed so many sad people who just do what they are told and never question anything.
What I hate the most about stuff made for "new fans" is the designs. Everything has to be cutesy and small. Older Digimon were always cool lizards, wolves, vampires, with big fangs and muscular bodies, but most of the new designs (especially Appmon) are Pikachu-sized monsters with gigantic eyes and small bodies, as well as more rounded designs. This is something Pokemon has been experiencing for a few generations as well.
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Did you ever do a video on the directors and writers of the various digimon anime? Im very curious if people know the pedigree of the people who worked on shows that were recieved well vs the later ones that ether didnt or did decent. I just looked and the first 4 seasons have some serious talent behind them
My favorite way to watch the dub Fox Kids VHS Saban dub
The wife, husband and mistress thing, the love triangle thing?
That was a copypasta that was confirmed to be made up and untrue. Someone took Japanese article about episode and provided a fake translation that got circulated
I remember watching Last Evolution and by the end I was sobbing because it felt like the creators were calling me out for still loving something so much from my childhood, to "grow up" and that hurt in a way I cannot describe. Adventures and 02 have been a comfort anime to me since they came out, and to be indirectly told I need to let go of something that made me happy was a real punch to the gut.
Yeah I agree. I never saw it instead seeing it via a retrospective but still you can't just DO that kinda thing. I don't think any other media does this instead making older fans out to be wiser and able to help the younger fans out.
"Venusmon looks just like an ordinary human."
Whoever drew her body did a wonderful job in making her look so eye-catching that close to 100% people ignore the TWO HUNDRED KILOGRAMS OF HAIR she has on her head.
I know wild hairstyles are an anime staple, but that isn't just long hair, it is a braid with the thickness of a tree trunk. Who knew Venusmon was the head patron of Umbral Witches.
the widest part is about as wide as her hips, so it's hardly "200kg tree trunk" or an addition that makes her look not-human. I'm attracted to her design as much as the next guy, but you might as well just say adult Gon from HunterxHunter isn't human because of the 7 ft of hair on top of his head.
I will agree, though, that adding wings or putting metal parts isn't that much of a dramatic change either.
@@jcnot9712 Gon's hair is free flowing, Venusmon's is a braid, meaning it has exponentially more hair. Also with her being a digimon, and olympus 12 member at that, she is much taller than your regular woman, so using her hips for comparison is misleading.
Off note,
Another detail of her design that differentiates her from regular women are the two wings on the sides of her head.
Venusmon is like Rapunzel wearing a wedding outfit but her face got covered by strips of white fabric
Doesn't hold a candle to Starfire (in the comics).
Nothing about Digimon really startles me but I will admit I raised an eyebrow when rewatching 02 recently and having Magnamon use the move "extreme jihad". It did make me laugh though.
as a muslim fan of digimon I laughed my ass off when seeing it for the first time and sent it to my friends who found it hilarious too.
Is there actually clip of that scene i dont really remember
@@sk8timator7 yeah search "extreme jihad" on you tube and the clip should be the second video
Put that eyebrow down! When you raise your eyebrow you could die
Shin Megami Tensei has a move named "Mortal Jihad"
The Dark Ocean thing was great, the implications made it really creepy which was the point. Also it's pretty accurate to the idea of Deep Ones from the Cthulhu Mythos, of which this episode homages rather clearly.
Totally agree! I actually think Digimon is at it's best when they dare to be dark.
I think Ghost Game could be a good bridge between old and new fans. As an older fan I found it much more enjoyable than all the other original Digimon anime after Data Squad. It has a fresh feeling to it while keeping the charm of the older shows.
Completely agree. I don't know what is was about them as an older fan, but I couldn't bring myself to watch anything after Data Squad. But with Ghost Game out, I'm enjoying the premise much more than I thought I would.
@@rallozarx4215 Yeah it just feels a lot closer to old Digimon, maybe because it's less "gimmicky" than the other newer shows
I’m starting to take an interest in Ghost Game because it’s starting to finally feel like they’re not just adding young kids to franchise but adults as well, whether or not they we’re chosen ones when they were younger and just grew up or only just became chosen ones then. It’s not often to come across a mix like that and I think it needs implementing more.
I see it having potential but over 20 episodes in and there isn't any progress in finding the dad, nor they have introduced any kind of main villain.
@@torokami1109 you say less gimmicky, and all I can see is the series pushing the vital braclet and DiM cards as story plot elements as I read this
I wonder if Hitler Agumon blames everything on the x-antibody Digimon 🤔.
Yo that sounds like an interesting parody waiting to be made
The Diary of Agumon X
Sounds about right. 🤔
I laughed so hard, when he said that there were some controversial designs I expected something like a Digimin with a bikini, some more or less "funny" stereotype controversy with a stupid design like that one black pokemon with the pink lips, or unintended sexual or religious symbols. But nah, straight up Hitler Agumon with a nazi armband LOL
No, he obviously blames Anjewmon.
With that first one, i can see the point being made *but Jesus Christ did that guy explain it like shit*
What i understand the writer’s explanation to mean is something like “Kari misses her brother and wants him around more, but Koromon and the life Tai has now because of Koromon is keeping Tai away from Kari. Thus Kari has mixed/negative feelings towards Koromon as its ‘the reason tai is away”
Yeah, there's no way that dynamic was written to be taken as romantic (despite some fans taking it to mean that, which is just creepy). That said, the quote was either horriibly translated, or a horrible idea. No matter how clearly you explain your side of things, if you compare the dynamic of a brother, sister, and digimon to the dynamic of a married couple and a mistress, no matter how innocent your intentions, you're going to get people claiming incest is going on.
And there will be people who hate that, and people who love that, and you don't want either.
To be noted that Japanese people see Child Love as Inocent Love , therefore Kari love for Tai could be very real but is seen not as erotic love but romantic love from japan point of view , this way the analogy kinda works as you explain and within the context of the original director explained
You can also see this Inocent Love in TK and Matt , they even make fun of it on TRI , when TK says he is preoccupied about the new girl being alone in the digiworld and Kairi gets kinda jealous and teases him and TK says "Dont get preoccupied , you know who is my number one" and then looks at Matt who blushes and everyone starts laughing
I feel like a good way to bring in new fans as well as old is to do a series like season 3 where it takes itself seriously but also is interesting enough for kids to get into
Wait... Sistermon Noir was cencored in the US for beeing a nun with a gun? In the land of guns and freedom? Well, god bless the Double States of Moral.
All those censorship, yet US still has the most significant gun violence in the world.
@@syazwanmustapah2826 Yeah, because more guns=more gun violence. its as easy as that
Yeah, as if that's the first nun with a gun to come out of Japan,. Though funnily enough they actually canonized the alternate version of Noir.
Yeah, we're pretty weird about guns despite it being in our culture. Pokemon had the same issue. Guns in Hollywood movies? OK. Guns in cartoons? Not OK.
Yugioh invisible guns problem
1:54 strange that you focus on their ages and not the fact that they are siblings or that adding koromon to the mix makes this almos zoophilic (or worse since koromon it's just a head)
Or talked about what kind of freak you have to be to even read this kind of shit into any of that. Like what the actual fuck?! I've been an adult for a while now and have watched that many times and still haven't read anything sexual into it even though I'm definitely a sexually active person.
I'm not into kids or weird animal like creatures though.
@@DieAlteistwiederda Freud was right.
This doesn't make it any weirder, but Koromon is a software
@@DieAlteistwiederda I was able to pick up on a 'little sister with a big brother worship/innocent crush' vibe from kari, which is a common thing with kids. I could have gone my whole life without knowing what the writer was going for.
Digimon always reminds me of our pet dogs and cats. We grow up with them in the most important parts of our childhood and then there comes a point in our adulthood where we have to say goodbye and let them go. Teaching our generation the core value of our true best friends and keeping them forever in our memories.
How they didn’t see it coming that Appmon will fail, is still beyond me.
No offense to the fans of that installment but Xcros Wars, which aired before it, was already cutting it close with the “being something fresh” attempt.
I still haven’t met anyone that praises the “Hunters Extra Season” which came after Xcros Wars concluded. I like the opening of that season the most though.
I actually think appmon is one of the more better digimon series. I certainly think it beats savers, ghost game , xros wars and 2020 reboot hands down. The concept felt fresh, some of the digimon were really cool. Plus they kept the gimmick alive unlike tamers dropping the card slashes. Having hackmon actually hack the environment was the most digmon thing i've seen in along time. A rouge AI just like a rouge dark digimon. It was refreshing to see something other than just survival from big roaring monsters or evil angels. I want to love Hunters but the story was not great, I just like the concept of having hunts with different digimon.
Honestly Xros Wars is my favorite season(especially the second half), but the Hunters season is my least favorite by far. I don't mind the concept but the Hunters season was 99% filler and the rest was nonsense. They didn't even bother explaining how and why things in Hunters happened.
I agree that xros wars was one of the weakest series the second season was done really well and i personally loved hunters and tagiru/gumdramon was a fun duo to follow plus it feels like Mikey was better written as a side character/mentor figure. While tamers is still my overall favorite series hunters has easily entered the top 3 for me along side ghost game
Appmon isn't bad, but it suffers from what seems to a series staple: bad pacing. The story is actually pretty good?? Which astounded me, but the pacing is _terrible_ and kills what is good about the story. imo, the 3D and evolution segments are god awful and were the final nail in the coffin. They had something with Appmon but they tried way too hard to be trendy and like the top-rated shows (x of the day).
Same thing with Xros Wars. It's basically was another Adventure clone, but with worse pacing.
Appmon had some good ideas, but it was riding the isekai bandwagon too hard and trying to talk about protagonists and purposely being a figure beyond the person.
They also spent too little time too late with the powers and uplink mixups, so it failed to even equal the previous series in technical quality.
Back when the show first started airing in the states, I was in 3rd grade. I remember I had one good friend in school who also watched that I could talk about it with. Then one day after the VenomMyotismon episode, he comes to school and says his mom won't let him watch it anymore. Apparently she had an issue with the 06:06:06 reference as the mark of the beast. Now, 20-some years later, I still have to wonder how she missed the literal angel and devil fighting at the end of the first arc and only found issue with the 666 reference.
I don’t really see that last one as that controversial though. I don't see how it’s really any different from any IP experimenting for better or worse.
purely by definition it should count since it was probably the most hated season by older fans
About the last point, kizuna being a "farewell" to old fans, now it's the complete opposite of that, because there's a pseudo sequel to kizuna in the way with the 02 movie.
Yeah, but how long has it been since we’ve gotten more info on it?
@@AndrewHager02 in the digimon con that hapened this march they revealed the character design for daisuke. And that the story will take place 2 years after LEK
@@Matiasfv Oh, that’s a relief!
Well this is news to me! Thank you. I've been a bit behind on Digimon for a bit, due to Covid and other anime taking precedence. I'm currently almost done with 2020, and then it's Kizuna. I didn't know they were continuing after it, I was still under the impression that Kizuna was The End of that set of characters. Though, I am still sad, because I was really hoping Tri would continue since it ended on a cliffhanger.
WAIT WHATTTTT?! What’s it called ?
Its always been my dream to make a VR Digimon game with AI technology to make them actually learning creatures so that you could live out your dream of becoming digi-destined every time you put on those goggles.
I'm not a kid anymore, And I know that I won't become a good enough animator or AI-writer to make the game myself, so my hopes is to earn enough money to pay for the project to start.
May be too late for me to be digidestined, but I want my kids and their friends to be able to live out that dream.
Awesome! Prodigious! Best wishes!
How are you going to make that money, though?
@@Halcon_Sierreno Studying IT and I have finished a degree in marketing. After I am done with IT, I'll start working and saving up. Start my own company at some point and save up even more, then contact Digimon for licensing and start hiring people.
Its going to take me a long time, but that aint reason enough to scare me off :D
@@MuddiWasTaken Are you for reals?
@@Halcon_Sierreno Might sound silly, but you only live once and this is my dream.
So I gotta try, else little me would be dissapointed.
You know... if you look at the villain of Digimon Data Squad Korata and you look at his motifs you can realy see that he is inspired by Hitler
Nun with a gun. Potential action movie title right there
What about the Lilithmon censorship, the various alcohol related episodes, the exisistence of Adventure Psi and Zoe's "sexy dynamite" xD
I covered those in my Digimon Censorship video. :)
omg the one where political correction is the antagonist got me
Political correctness is the enemy though. Look at what it’s done to America. It’s horrible.
Lmao ikr? PC cancel culture is trully the internet ultimate antagonist
hikari means light
the sister's last name is yagami
let that sink in
When one of the digi-destined finds the digi-deathnote
Hitler Agumon and Venusmon had my jaw dropping! Found it so hilarious that out of all historical figures to become part Digimon, they chose Hitler. I also love Venusmon's design. Very very cultured design 👌
Man now that i think about it digimon really let many things slide huh
When I first heard of the cancel culture story I laughed a little because of how silly it was.
I agree with the last point, they'll have to find out what kids in Japan are into nowadays and cater to that if they really want to get a new fanbase.
that was the most cringe thing i ever heard xD On the level "hey fellow kids you know that thing you heard about"
Only a cringe lord loser with no writing skills would try appealing to the crowd that tried canceling his own show 2 decades ago
Sistermon Noir was NOT censored in the West, it was only censored in America. European copies of Cyber Sleuth Hacker's Memory actually had Sistermon Noir on it.
Really because I live in the UK and we did not get Sistermon Noir
@@4wheal The original PS4 title had Noir on the PAL version, so Noir actually made it to Europe.
@@NegaNekojin Really that's odd it's kind of wired how diffrent country's got diffrent versions
@@4wheal i own the PS4 version and live in the UK, it did have Noir. the 'complete' version on the switch WAS censored though.
also, fun little fact that i kinda like is that the digimon company actually ran with the idea so now sistermon noir, blanc and ciel are ALL canon, except the canon ciel has swords instead of guns
@@seanread5556 That explains it then i do have the switch version so it's the censored version.
Way it's actually pretty cool how Ciel is now an official difimon and has even popped up in the newest anime
I have to completely disagree with your assessment that young children are less likely to become attached to the old anime. My son has watched through Adventure 01 and 02 on his own in their entirety five times since discovering it last year. He quickly became a diehard Adventure fan. He's 8.
Did your son discover Digimon by himself, or did you, as a Digimon fan, introduce Digimon to him?
new digimon fan is always good for the franchise to be honest i still watch digimon and i am 31 years old
yes that a kid show but the series keep up to the first hours fan and the new fan because they retain the kid aspect and do treat some major aspect of ours live like acceptence of death (ex : gammamon and hiro watch bokomon died after the fight gammamon can't still accept bokomon will never come back), friendship and so on
compared to pokemon you will never see a pokemon died
After all, he's got your blood. No wonder he'll become same as you..
I think his point was that the creators for some reason don't think young kids will go back to watch the older series, especially if it's not widely-available (which is untrue for Digimon Adventure, it's widely-available), so that's why they have to come up with new ideas to bring in a new audience. (Though it always comes back to making money at the end of the day.) But it's true Applimon didn't do well, which is why they went ahead to reboot Adventure for a new younger audience, although I do have to wonder if that has been able to work on its own in gaining an audience of kids or not. Did children watch the 2020 series all the way through, or did they go back to watch the originals, and which one did they prefer? How many of those kids returned to watching Ghost Game despite it being a wholly original Digimon series?
I couldn't get through the 2020 series, those first three episodes were dreadful and Koushirou was really annoying as a know-it-all more-so than he was in the original series. It was also too flashy, too fast, and it had a serious threat from the word "go" that was taking more cues from "Our War Game" than anything else. Not to mention that apparently only half of the cast actually count as main characters when in the original series, all eight DigiDestined with their Digimon were considered main characters. So like you mean to tell me Sora _doesn't_ actually have main character status in the reboot because reasons? No thank you.
Kids are smarter than we give them credit for, but they also are easy to be set in their ways. It still sounds like the reboot did well since Ghost Game came out immediately afterwards, but how do they know it did well amongst children and not an older audience? If kids have to pick between the original 1999 anime and the 2020 reboot, which one would they prefer? Does it depend on which one they had seen first? I have to second the question on how it was your son watched the original series, if it was because you introduced him to it or if he picked out the show on his own (through streaming or by scouring your DVDs) since times are different nowadays compared to 1999. Though I have to commend that he first started it at the age of seven, that is honestly a perfect age to start Digimon and I don't think it's bias on my part.
that's the way it is.
I would even say that older good animes are more popular than new ones.
Many of the new animes are mass-produced and you can tell that at every point.
Good old animes are timeless and 100 years from now they will still be as good as they came out. maybe even better as the standard has dropped.
You can see it very well in today's series. If you compare them with older ones, you can clearly and objectively say that the older ones are simply better and viewers notice that too.
why people say that nobody wants to see the old stuff is just that they make little or no money with it anymore.
With a new series, they earn a lot of money than a 20 or 30 year old series that is already ready to be broadcast again and again. especially if you have them on dvd/bluray.
You should just consume the new stuff and preferably still pay for it, which is what streaming platforms and TV stations etc. do.
Last one. I think focusing on new fans is not a bad thing. Pokemon seems to have the opposite problem where it ties too hard to tap into nostalgia. I'd rather not see digimon fall into the trap of trying to milk adventure for nostalgia. My appreciation for adventure has only grown but I don't want it to become "hey you remember this character/digimon?" That they shoe in new property just to bait old fans.
Coming home for Tai was just a nice break from chaos.
The problem with Digimon Tri, Kizuna Ai, and the 2020 Reboot was never that the old fans were too attached to the original. It is that these three were made in defiance of old fans. When old fans were very happy to know that at the end of the original Adventure 02 story, that mostly everyone gets a happy ending, besides one bittersweet ending. Yes, old fans would always be excited to see stuff about the original series. But they're also the ones who are starved of new content. The original series should never have been touched again and Toei should've just moved on, not over milking a cash cow. You can revisit it, like how Xros did it, or Applimon did it, but never touch the story. Of course that's too late to say now.
I don't get this mindset, i understand it's frustrating if the product turns out bad but new media doesn't change the old show.
Kizuna ai was targeted specifically to older fans and was a pretty good movie, i think that concept was admirable. The reboot did a good job starting from the beginning but changing it enough to be fresh for old fans while still having the vibes of the original.
The only one that really failed was tri, they forced a new story with fan favourite elements but just lazily wrote a plot around it, makign a lot of characters go through developement we already saw, movie 6 played butterfly like 6 fucking times in a desperate attempt to evoke emotion, that's the kind of forced fanservice i can live without
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I'm pretty sure I explained it that Digimon Adventure 02 had a perfectly good ending. And hence Tri, Kizuna Ai, and the Reboot were not needed. That's why just small moments of revisiting it is fine. Not a rewrite of an ending to a beloved series.
And if you're so tired of forced fanservice, I have no idea how you could defend the Reboot. The first three episodes were Our War Game, but with a reskinned villain. The Reboot is nothing but forced nostalgia and fanservice, just with none of the original soundtrack. If they were going to do that, they could've just made a new season not dependent on the original eight Digidestined.
There is a reason why Ghost Game comparatively is getting better fan reviews. It isn't that the story is original, but because it is entertaining and doesn't reneg the older series.
The thumbnail is gonna be stuck in my memory for the rest of my life
Chalie Chaplin Agumon was really weird
Hitler Agumon?! What were they thinking?!
No gabumon on the cross???
I think the first one with a Koroman, Hikari and Taichi love triangle and Digimon Tamers take on PC culture were the most interesting to discover for me.
Nobody can complain about this franchise being "woke" after that. jk
Fuhrer Agumon: "Ja."
The love triangle quote is most likely taken out of context.
What annoyed me was the English version getting rid of the original music and adding that stupid Digimon rap. I wish they’d do a remastered version with original music like they did with DBZ.
You know the dub dragon ball z removed all the ost of Japanese and replacement with metal songs. The epic soundtrack 80s in Japanese version. I noticed it when I watched freeza saga back in the 90s. I also watched the Spanish until cell saga they have the original ost.
>sees thumbnail
"what a stupid clickbaity video"
>watches video and learns that Hitler Agumon is actually real
"HOLY SHIT"
I never though this video will get Agumon as some German dictator as the thumbnail
"Some german dictator"
Let alone real...
*austrian
It doesn't matter...
@@rageracerriley9590 it does
Pretty sure Angewoman caught most young boys attention when the show was first airing.
Damn maybe I should've realized something was up when weregarudomon was the only one that I was interested in seeing and I didn't understand why my friends even liked angewoman
Hitler Agumon: So, you get to beat the digital crap out of a version of Hitler. Is it just me or does that seem like a great idea that was wasted as soon as it was licensed?
Hollywood and game studios have already done this idea (Hitler himself, Nazis, space Nazis , _zombie_ Nazis...) to death.
Then somehow people complain that a digimon game has a Hitler expy as a villain.
I used to be really into the franchise as a kid, collecting the transforming actions figures and watching whatever managed to find its way onto my tv that only had 5 channels. As I grew older and less stuff got broadcasted I just forgot about it. And so, I'm quite surprised to see that the franchise is still going, and I'd consider getting back into it, though it seems like there'd be a lot of catching up to do. Maybe it's something I'll leave in the past, but this franchise meant a lot to me as a kid, and I'll always prefer it to Pokemon.
Best thing about Digimon, pretty much every series/season is its own thing. So you can watch any season from the start (though season 2 is connected to season 1...)
The only one I'd say may get confusing is the arc Xross Wars/Fusion: "the young hunters that lept through time" as it references and brings back characters of past series. Digimon Tri (continuation) and Digimon 2020(remake) both reference the first season of Digimon so it may be good to skip them if you don't remember the first season.
Lastly, applimon is a spin-off of Digimon that, from what I've heard, is really good.
So there you go. You have ten digimon series to choose from, including the currently airing one that's focused more on horror (ghost game). Have fun.
@@JDReC100 Thanks for the info, I appreciate it!
As per what the comment above me said, the seasons tend to be self contained with their own rules. The perfect entry point is actually the currently ongoing Ghost game. I have seen that it had appealed both to people who never seen Digimon and people trying to return to franchise
Can we move past the whole "mocking hitler is offensive"?
Because censoring that can be taken the opposite.
how?
As a German, please continue to mock Hitler, we do it too.
@@demon-rad2742 maybe cause it’s like this “ HEY DONT MAKE FUN OF THIS GUY …even tho he’s a awful human.”
@@nqk_0662 lol
Quoting Mel Brooks' wise words:
"We take away from him the holy seriousness that always surrounded him and protected him like a cordon."
It looks like people nowadays are doing the opposite.
Recently I was suprised how Kazemon/Fairimon looks like and wasn't censored in Digimon Frontier by dubbing company
I'm dying, the Adolf Agutler in the miniature just killed me.
I wouldn’t call myself a hardcore fan per say, but I did grow with the original licensed US version. To be honest I didn’t know that digimon was censored as my ch as I’m now hearing about. With that said censorship and remaking of characters to fit the sensibilities of outside consumers really urks me. It’s pretty much a slap in the face of the original designers of said characters. And instead of coming together worldwide in our fandom we are left with small bits of decision.
Take the nun digimon. Nuns have always been a taboo. Especially amongst Catholics that aren’t aware of their own religions darker history. There has been evidence brought to the surface that nuns and priests were not as pure as they had everyone believe. During various excavation of old church there was mummified remains of baby’s buried in underground cellars. Babies that likely the result of “unions” between priests,nuns, etc. With that history in mind I don’t see why people still want to protect the sanctity of nuns or priests. I’m not even going to get into religious private schools.
About the last point... honestly, that's my biggest issue with Digimon in general. Although I'm much more casual fan than the one that's experienced all of it (shows, games, etc.) it feels like a series that somewhat suffers with internal identity crisis to me.
First there was the two Adventure series that was somewhat like Pokémon, but instead of becoming the best Digimon Master it was the good ol' "save the world!" -quest. Great, I dig it. Simple, yet fun and entertaining. Then came the movie and 02, more or less the same thing but with new characters. Again, not something I haven't seen before, but I like these sort of shows. They're sorta timeless and easy to watch. At this point what I considered Digimon being was like a "Pokémon but in a internet, plus there's a big baddie"
Then came Tamers where they instead tried to raise the Digimon much more like Pokémon (side note, 'scuze me for all the Pokémon references, but it's to make this this easier.) and the show lost a lot of that weekly adventure feel it had, at least for the first half of it. This was the first time I had to adjust my view of what "Digimon" was, but for better or worse I liked that even though it leaned more to Pokemon formula it also differentiated itself from it.
Then came Frontier and... Look, I actually like Frontier a lot (at one point it was my favorite). It's "different" and my boy Naruto Uzumaki is the voice of the goggle-boy this season, but holyffffff---- did they... try something new with it -shall we say. It tried to have more Adventure again, but due smaller cast and basically forgetting the Digimon partners - the shows namesake for crying out loud - it just.... It just didn't feel like "Digimon" at all to me. As said I enjoyed it, sure, but not as a Digimon show.
Enter Savers and... at this point it was back to being more Tamers -like, but also different from the previous incarnation yet again. It was around this time I also saw the X-Evolution movie which... Further confused me, although on a hindsight it is definitely what I nowdays consider to be "Digimon"
Years later and I saw all three Xros Wars series and... Look, at this point I basically gave up. If Digimon Power-Rangers was kinda pushing it to me, then Digimon... Bakugan(?) was definitely as well.... At that point I just basically learned to accept that this was Digimon now. Not the one I felt like was Digimon, but... hey, it's for newer generation I guess.
Then there was the world of video games. The franchise started with as a virtual pet so I get why the point of digimon is more like "monster X wants to be as strong as it can be" and for what it's worth the games (that I've plated) generally pull it off well. Dusk/Dawn, 2003. Cyber Sleuth(s) etc. etc. all follow this formula, while also (much like the shows) trying something different with each incarnation to fish out more new fans, but at same time they also make it harder to brand themselves off. Instead of being like "an apple is an apple" Digimon is a lot like "an apple is an apple... but what if it also tastes like a pear as well?"
ALL THAT SAID I've now settled for "Digimon" being the "X wants to be the strongest monster" -series and it's what I should expect from a Digimon product more than anything.
And for better or worse I feel like Digimon Comp. also has sort of finally started to realize all this as a problem as well and started to have more consistent feel to their product, Royal Knights being a returning factor in much of the media being just one example. And this is good.
Back as a teen Digimon was a lot harder franchise to "be a fan of" since all it had to do was give a solid product for its fans, but instead had a mid-life crisis that it didn't need at all while trying to fish out EVERYONE. Which ultimately hurt them, I'd argue.
But (as said) it seems they're finally starting to realize that sometimes all we want, and more importantly NEED with Digimon being is just an enjoyable fun adventure. And more importantly; also learned that they CAN'T satisfy absolutely EVERY PERSON UNDER THE SUN.
It's a lot easier to be a Digimon fan nowdays due the series starting to be more consistent.
And now that they have (finally...) settled for a solid base they can start to build it better and evolve from now on.
Digimon works with the concept of multiverse too. So, each universe has it's own rules.
The fact they released a special that actively contradicts the epilogue of Adventure 02 shows how these anniversary specials are controversial in a way. As for the rest of the list, only Hitler Agumon was what I'd call poorly thought out.
Hitler agumon, sounds like a funny idea
The specials, don't contradict the epilogue of 02 , the movies take place before the epilogue of 02 , the tamers find a way to meet up with the digimon again that's when the epilogue happens
They had napalm man's stage forest theme Japan never thinks anything through
as a 28 year old fan from the start, honestly you described the exact reason i loved digimon last kizuna.
While pokemon always keeps ash the same age and has a "you don't have to grow up! keep buying our products forever!" attitude, digimon the last kizuna saved that mentality for their villain, because in digimon the characters grow up, they have to make big life decisions, and in the end they let go of their childhood, but they keep the memories of it in their hearts. And i think that's a really good message to send.
even though they totally retconned in the whole "losing your digimon when you become an adult" thing, because plenty of tamers throughout the franchise have been adults.
Doesn't Agumon say something like they're parting for now, or have to say goodbye for a while?
I took it more like..it's hard to describe. Like, you have to do stuff without your ground. And once you've gained that experience, it's fine to step back onto it.... Leaving home could kind of be an analogy. Like go off, live independently. Your |childhood| home is always there for you, but strike out on your own.
So for Digimon, it would be like, Tai and company have to find new landing without their anchors.
Once they've learned how to do that, the Digimon can come back in, because the balance will be there.
! Dependent relationships may be a good way to put it. Like find yourself by yourself, and then it's okay to return to the relationship. It's not completing you, as you've become a complete person without it. Once you know who you are without them, the Digimon can come back again.
Kind of like that "if you love someone, let them go" thing. In this case, the Digimon would be like the parents, pushing the kids out of the nest. But once they know they can fly, and they'll never lose that flight, they can be together again.
SO, to translate it into real world digimon viewers: maybe yeah, "let go" of the show for now. For a time. Until you're not so needing it to be something |like the show you used to know|. And then you can return to it, see it clearly, and it's a more positive situation.
MarcFBR of WiththeWill forums was one of the lolcows who got offended by the play calling out the witchhunt mobs of cancel culture. Digimon is based. Konaka is based.
1st one: Not only underage, one of them isn't even human! Not even humanoid, for that matter!
2nd one: Bruh - the concetration camp was a little to much, and that's saying something, being about AGUMON HITLER.
3rd one: The majorioty of the fan base/audience is made of males with social dificulties, of course they'd capitalize on that...
4th one: Cringe, just cringe...
5th one: Again with Kari being on something sexual? Authors, do you have something to say?
6th one: It's sad, but some IPs do have an expiration date...
hitler agumon?? I finished the game, but never encounter him tho. maybe because i don't know who hitler is at that time so its slipped my mind haha.
Did you play the japanese version of the game?
@@Hapokas112 no, i play the english version
@@taufiqkurniawan373 thats why. pay attention to the video. it was only in the japanese version.
@@foxbuns yep, my bad
@@taufiqkurniawan373 That would explain it.
I should rewatch it all. It's been so long since I watching as a kid.
dang ive been folowing your channel since the TTS days im so happy you grew so hard
Honestly I think they should have kept Hitler Agumon but like played up how silly it is. Like Hitler was bad, yes but Hitler Agumon sounds both very imposing (concept wise cause Hitler) but also very silly. I mean its concentration camp was full of other Agumon, and Hitler put people he and the Nazi considered less then/non human in them... so that begs the question about the Agumon concentration camp. Does Hitler Agumon see himself as the true Agumon or does he see himself as a inferior digimon and thats why he is imprisioning other Agumon? Also I think Hitler Agumon just looks funny
Hitler-Agumon was not even racist because he held only other Agumon in ze camps not whoever could pass for untermon in DW (failed evolutions)
I wonder what kind of attacks he would have. Furnace Breath? Scythe Claw B? Would he digivolve to Greymon SS?
It was never removed. Actually there were 2 Card Battle games, only the second was released outside Japan. Hitler Agumon appears only in the first one.
If you drive it up as a parody, it certainly should be fine. Its not like its Glorifying the Nazis that way afterall.
love this vid! I didn't know about Konaka's play, imma have to look it up.
Thank you for being the ONLY nuanced video about the Digimon Cancel Culture thing. Literally every garbage tier Anituber going “Woke Japanese Mangaka SLAMS SJWs”, and shit like that.
It’s nice to see someone who just says what happens, rather than anything cringeworthy.
The Hitler Agumon is the reason we have Blitzgreymon
Ya know, HitlerAgumon makes me wish for a Pokemon Clover style ROM hack of the Digimon World games now.
sorry for my bad english i am from hispanic america and in this region from mexico all the way down to chile the show was't change at all but at the same time the biblic reference in some digimons were a controversial topic especially in some of the most religios contries in the region like mexico i think brazil and chile
not the hitleragumon line
The Mamoru Hosoda thing is so obviously fake. There's only one single source for it and what's described in the interview doesn't line up with the actual events of the episode. Kari is shown to get along with Koromon very well with no signs of jealousy. There is also a part where he supposedly claims that the ferris wheel in one of the scenes was actually just symbolism and that he was surprised that it showed up in later episodes, when that makes no sense because that ferris wheel actually exists in real life.
"Actually just symbolism" is not a valid point because symbolism means taking something (real or not) to represent something else.
@@worldoflittleliars1234
Yeah. But to then act surprised because the creators included a piece of scenery that he claims to have included only for symbolism as if it wasn't a real object in-universe and in real life is a massive red flag regarding the authenticity of the interview
@@kanchomerocks12 You are questioning the interview but yet we had monsters that tried to breed with Hikari in an episode of 02.
@@worldoflittleliars1234
Which was done much later and by a completely different director.
@@worldoflittleliars1234 That really doesn't change anything? Even if it was the same writer, you can not be responsible for something weird in one episode and then do something weird in a later episode. It's completely possible to imply one disturbing thing and NOT do another thing.
If it's not real, though, then that means that this video just spread some pretty disgusting misinformation that PRETTY heavily makes a real person look REALLY bad. And that's not great.
I got a pokemon ad watching a digimon video 🤔
The first episode is my favourite episode. But not for some wierd reason, just because its so cool to see the human world for once
I'm pretty sure that Adventure Tri and the Adventure reboot were meant to attract strictly older fans, because new fans would probably prefer something, ya know, new.
The purpose of every reboot is to attract new fans on something that was once popular or had a good run with the public.
The reboot was stated to be for new fans when it came out. They lied on that. lol
@@worldoflittleliars1234 No, if they wanted new fans, they'd create new stuff. Reboots and remakes are done to attract a built-in audience, because new fans could always just go back to the original if they wanted to.
@@otaking3582 Have you even seen the reboot?
@Aaron Mills ...I don't understand. Did you accidentally add an extra "not"?
That whole first part with Mamoru Hosoda was bizarre and absolutely disgusting.
Not sure what they were thinking with HitlerAgumon, that was just a terrible idea.
*sees thumbnail* I mean comeon man i know clickbait is a thing but hitler agumon is a little mu.....WAIT IT'S REAL?!
Big Respect to Chiaki J Konaka
We need more people like him that have some media reach to use that power to show the BS cancel culture an political correctness is
It's kinda sad that we don't see many companies trying to adapt a Digimon show for television. The last attempt was Digimon Fusion from Digimon Xros Wars and it was (gonna stop there to avoid saying something I'll regret).
The Taichi/Hikari/Koromon love triangle is still the most disturbing thing
All digimon have variant for better or worse
they live from digital data send by people around the world
i don't see HitlerAgumon as controversy as it is. because digimon is feeding on data input by human so the one to blame is the very people who thought that HitlerAgumon would be awesome.
No, the people to blame are the people behind the game that thought referencing an actual genocide would be funny. Of course, Japan doesn't have the same view of WWII as we do, but they still should have known better.
@@dracocrusher digital.
If you've seen a lot of the recent..er...snafus with copyright, business plans, and business culture, most Japanese companies do what they want, regardless of consumer(and worldwide) feedback.
@@dracocrusher Doesn't have the same view? Well, of course not, they got nuked. Twice.
And don't forget they were at Hitler's side at the time.
I'd say what was going on with Nene in the Xros Wars Manga was pretty controversial...
She is the reason, i like the manga more^^
The explanation here is bizarre but outcome incredible
Yeah.... the first one's ONLY controversial because the two human characters are underage and not, oh I don't know, FULL BLOODED SIBLINGS!!!
First point hit very hard, ngl
Digimon is a really based franchise in general
Japan always gets the coolest stuff.
Digimon is my favorite. I still paly all the old games, look through Digimon Wiki and imagine being in a Digimon Adventure. I don't need anything new really, especially when it tries to cut me of from the frenchise. I'm 28 now :D
I'm someone who doesn't mind censorship and sometimes appreciates it but damn, Sistermon Noir is badass.
I'm against Censorship it's pointless, disrespectful to the creators, and can ruin the story
tri being more relevant at the time than Appmon doesn't proof anything about the fanbased honestly, even new Fans will tend to the established characters that they will likely have seen before since the early 2000s, on top of that tri was heavily marketed, i bet more new people watched tri than appmon since it's just a weird spinoff season.
The real controvery is how fucking bad tri was though, i'm still so happy we got the reboot and other movie after it.
Could you do a video of the dark ocean but why it never took any of the digimon tamers to it because that digimon was more dark so I’m wondering why none of them was never taken to it
Its funny that Tri kinda killed Universe (applimon) but its a very subpar series. While, even if fanboys say the contrary, applimon was a very good series.
@Aaron Mills
Have you heard of American Horror Story? Its a show that switches up its cast about every season or 2 (with some callbacks to past characters I believe). While this may be an adult example, it still shows that you don't need to have the same cast/group of characters all the time. Changing it up can work in the long run. But whatever the case, you need to do it well.
If you do choose to keep the same cast and characters, they need to have some growth as the seasons go by. That's one major issue I've has with the Pokémon anime for years. Thankfully they've gotten better with it in recent times, but it was/is still very annoying seeing familiar characters having information dissonance.
Basically, starting fresh every few season can be hard for gaining fans, but keeping the same characters can be hard when you have work with their character growth(or lack thereof) and setting/character info accumulated over time.
give this man a phd. how tf did he get me to care about digimon controversies
Adventure Tri could be controversial because how is possible that everyone just forget abour 02 kids? What was the point of Meicoomon and Mysterious Man?
Kizuna forgot about these things and give us the end which is contradicting to 02 ending.
And, this might not be controversy but favoritism in digimon anime - notably Adventure, 02, Frontier, Savers (in some extent), Xros wars, Adventure Tri and, most ridiculously, in Kizuna and Reboot 2020 - is just hard to watch.
Tri was just a poorly thought out mess that shouldn't have been made in the frist place.
I mean what's the point of bringing in Yggdrasill/King Drasill as a bad guy and then have him killed off screen all that dose is create plot holes.
In Re:Zero if you are eaten by White Whale, everybody but Subaru forgets about you. It could be explained away with vaguely similar shenanigans
@@4wheal Wait, who killed Yggdrasil offscreen in Tri and why did I not notice it 😐?
@@wanttogetfoodHomeostasis is the one who switched him off between the last 2 movies you probably didn't notice because he has such a small polt role and never actually turned up in person.
It also dosent help that Evil Gennai his main servent just decides to do his own thing with zero care his boss is dead.
Frontier still has the worst handled favoritism in Digimon, despite it being better written than a lot of the bad seasons of Digimon. Hero and Rival assimilate everyone's energy only to job like they are Izumi/Zoe for 10 episodes!
Damn never thought I needed Hitler Agumon in my life
Honestly I really don't like venusmon desgin and would have purfried one that shows off Venus more warrior nature.
I don't she's hawt!
Imagine expecting "warrior" nature out of a Digimon that is taken directly from a mythological figure that symbolizes "love, beauty, desire, sex, fertility, prosperity, and victory". Minervamon is there for that.
@@wargreysama Actually Minerva was not the main war god for the Romans that was Mars and Bellona.
Minerva was more known as the goddess of crafts and only gained minor war aspects because of greek influence.
Venus was very much liked to power and victory and has more links to war then Minerva.
@@4whealWell, Digimon wise that is what we have lol.
I can't tell which is more controversial.
-The first movie including that weird crossover with Angela Anaconda
-The first movie including the song "The Rockafeller Skank" by Fatboy Slim
-Agumon Hitler
Sadly the first two didn't count for being part of the American cut. But if it did I'd say Angelica Anaconda, because of THAT greentext.
It's those episodes that made it so much memorable. Those and Vamdemon sucking blood from girls.
Never knew about Hitler Agumon; guess now we know why BlackWarGreymon always reminded me of a German stormtrooper.
The latest season of Digimon has lack of evolution too
Not really just difference in culture
I didn't get any of these controversies when I was a kid and watched the animes.
Dude the tai and Kari thing was proven false. That was not real at all.
Yeah sure buddy
god i hope so because what the actual fuck
All you need to prove a point is a legitimate source, which neither the uploader or you provided. So until one makes that effort, neither of you can be 100% believed
@@darkpyro786 fun fact: google is free, and you have access to it too. the burden of proof is on you if you care that much
@@foxbuns the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim. If you or someone else says something and you expect them to believe it, prove it.
Google search is how you get moron parents becoming anti-vaxxers.
I'm sorry, WHAT the FUCK? My man really couldn't figure out how to take the theme of jealousy and missing someone and apply it without deeply sexualizing actual children and an animal? Unbelievable.
I haven't seen this series since it came out, that contrast in the art.
Who came up with that first theory? What's wrong with people.😅
Peoples thoughts. They put something dirty into something innocent. That love bond between siblings is like a best friend feeling but since its a boy and a girl their thoughts goes erotic into that. At the end its up for a persons thought about it.
The only thing controversial about Koneka's political correctness villain is how it exposed so many sad people who just do what they are told and never question anything.
What I hate the most about stuff made for "new fans" is the designs. Everything has to be cutesy and small. Older Digimon were always cool lizards, wolves, vampires, with big fangs and muscular bodies, but most of the new designs (especially Appmon) are Pikachu-sized monsters with gigantic eyes and small bodies, as well as more rounded designs. This is something Pokemon has been experiencing for a few generations as well.
Ghost game seems to be changing that a bit. I do get what you're saying though. And looking back, I do see it's prominence in Pokémon too.
so man who calls out cancel culture gets cancelled...
I grew with the original japanese anime well dubbed in Filipino but kept the same themes so my Digimon childhood is a bit better.
What a dumb thing to have a fidelity love triagle symbolism for kids 11 and under AND siblings...
incest is wincest though