How to Ground Fight, Counter Grapple & WIN w/ Sifu Alan Baker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- John Lovell goes toe to toe with renowned martial arts and self-defense expert Sifu Alan Baker! Today's knowledge share covers what to do when a fight goes to the ground and how to out grapple an opponent skilled in grappling.
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One of the things I've gleaned over my years of grappling, one thing is certain:
If you want to anti-grapple, you first need to learn how to grapple.
It's an unspoken rule, however it is a hard and difficult rule for non grapplers to comprehend.
If you want to counter a wrestler, be a wrestler/learn how to wrestle.
If you want to counter/escape from BJJ practitioners, you have to learn BJJ and work on escaping those positions.
To prevent or counter anything requires knowledge/experience, such a large amount of experience is needed in fact to make counters, let alone have them become reliable.
Bro but in a street fight there’s no rules and grapplers forget how to grapple in a real fight.
- every-guy who cant grapple.
Exactly why chuck liddell had such great takedown defense- he was a collegiate wrestler
@@GilleanFreire The funny thing is, Judoka who compete, or at the very least do enough randori (sparring) have had instances where thier opponent is throwing them and the force from an arm is roughly equivalent to a punch.
You see this a lot when people throw using osoto-gari, they grab onto the lapel, and drive that lapel grip into the upper corner and inadvertently punch thier opponent.
As for wrestlers, they wear headgear because when they go for collar ties they tend to inadvertently strike the side of thier head/ear.
You don't see that in BJJ by any means except in maybe no-gi tournaments where slams are legal when escaping submissions.
Could not agree more
And to further your point, this guy is a BJJ black belt.
Exactly. However some people just don't find grappling interesting, they don't practice it and make up bullshit moves and ridiculous reason why bjj doesn't work and their nonsense does.
"Fold his cloths while he's still in them"...Classic John and why we love him!!
😂
That’s a old Jiu Jitsu saying.
“You’re getting those crazy eyes bro”
We all have that friend that makes you pause a bit to refocus. Love it.
Ah, the spazzing white belt elbow system. Every grapplers worst nightmare 😂
It’s horrible 😣
Elbows and knees.. get Mauy Thai in your life.. it’s great to have quick response close range strikes while escaping or creating distance. Take care!
"I use whatever works." -Bruce Lee
😂😂😂😂
If it works, it works. A master of the basics can be very dangerous to someone more advanced who is expecting more variety, sometimes the simplest thing can win the fight.
I am a martial artist long before I joined the Marine Corps. One thing I learn time and again, is that there are counters to every type of marital art/combat. And even then, movement while it can be predictable can suddenly become unpredictable. The best prepared fighter is the one who is broad-minded enough to learn from every experience and take what is useful and add to his toolbox of self defense. You can learn the most valuable things from other fighting principles including mistakes, yours or theirs.
When people learn of my background they always ask for techniques or such. I always say that if given the option (assuming I have to engage in some way) is I want lots of distance and many barriers between me and who ever is trying to impose violence upon me. This response makes most people stop for a second because they (incorrectly) assume I want to go hands on with someone.
This is why Iroh is a great teacher and mentor. If you only train with one element, you will grow stagnant. But if you learn from all four, you will be able to grow a lot.
@@redtiger7268 exactly, well stated. My thoughts. I don't have anything to prove. I do however have an obligation to myself to mitigate engaging in violence as much as possible for a variety of reasons. Everyone is so eager to knuckle up like that is the default way to be a man and be dangerous. It's not.
Well said.
The good thing is that those who are trained in a discipline are USUALLY not the ones starting the fights, unless you're a cop or combat troop. So if you're well-versed in any style and you treat it as a survival took as opposed to a sport, you stand a very good chance of walking away.
Bro that dude is terrifying when he makes sudden movements😂
Check the video Kevin Lee has with Baker. That ram attack is mean stuff!
It’s worse in person
@@WarriorPoetSocietyDude makes me wanna say, I quit. This looks like a good spot to start digging, I'll just be here for eternity if you need me 😂
@@WarriorPoetSocietyWhy does he GROWL like that?
@liamflanagan490 it's a breathing technique as well as a fear inciting sound.
"The spazzing white belt elbow system"... 😂😂🤣🤣🤣 Love it.
Shoes on the mat drove me crazy the entire video, lol
I used to train at Erik Paulson's CSW in Fullerton. Love catch wrestling. The reality is, you can tear an ankle and still fight with adrenaline pumping. I've experienced this before. Heel hooks and shoulder locks seem to be the most debilitating join locks. Nothing beats the choke though.
I went to Eric’s seminars every time he came to town after my instructor turned me on to his “Greatest Hits” video
My entire game revolved around chicken wings.
I hope he’s doing well
True, but it makes running tough immediately.
Dude sounds like a rabid animal when he goes to elbow strike and I wholeheartedly approve lol it sounds mildly terrifying
No its not terrifying its goofy af. Dude would get laughed out of any real gym
This is why cross training MMA is helpful because it makes you aware of these concepts. There things that are use in sport Jiu-jitsu that you can't use in a fight.
As a BJJ white belt and a gun nut, I love this content! Have started wrestling recently and that stuff is scary with the takedowns.
Don't take this dude serioisly. Dude is a snake oil salesman. Back in the day there was a forum dedicated to people like this, it was called bullshido, I wonder if it's still alive.
Learning how to fight is great ! But preparing and implementing a violent mind is key and self control and patience is key to survivability
John, just finished your book. Thankyou for taking the time to write that. I’ve started taking jiu jitsu and you’re the reason for it. I caught myself starting to get to comfortable in life, this is a good healthy challenge. Thank you sir.
Loved this
I'm awestruck by this. It's so simple and yet I'm looking at it going "that's terrifying, I would never want to fight anyone doing that."
Excellent!
Interesting video, although I have to ask is this to be used against white belts? First, when you escape don't go back to closed guard it's just not modern jiu jitsu anymore. Also putting the knee over and grabbing the foot looks devastating, but only if the grappler doesn't react like they will. I'm not discounting it, but like when any white belt comes in and says hey look what I just figured out, I'd like to see it in a live roll. Do you have any videos of him demonstrating this against a resisting experienced grappler?
"Do you have any videos of him demonstrating this against a resisting experienced grappler?"
Of course not, because then he'd have to prove it works in reality and not in his controlled demonstration.
Love it thank you sir 👍
Excellent philosophy of defense and offense. This is great information.
😂😂😂😂 lol no
The sounds he was making had me dying 😂😂
Alan is awesome and so dangerous. His BJJ is crazy good and this makes me want to learn Keysi too
This guy is intense! I love it!
That man is the most terrifying little gremlin body looking fighter-man I've ever seen.
Hes not a fighter he’s a poser. Has no idea what he’s doing
@@10oner I believe this could be true. It's still entertaining as all get out. He looks like someone who just walked through a spider web or a swarm of wasps 😂
All of these teachers across the USA should have a course for 55 and older.
John, I never regretted getting into wrestling in school. Lessons that stick for life. And although older now, I can still do a mean Captain Insane-O
That was cool, never really looked at Keysi system but will do now.
Wrestling and jiu-jitsu are life lesson sports. Some of the greatest years with my sons. I encourage every father to teach their children the most natural sport known to man.
100%
Elbows aside; low-single, spin & wrap to bodylock, & slam/return is great for self defense
I love this, you can see the Erik Paulson CSW/ Catch wrestling inspiration from the jump. Coming from a wrestling background and buying every Erik Paulson instructional DVD helped me give my BJJ buddies fits back in the day, knees, elbows, and chins into limbs and muscles will get you to a lot of favorable positions in training, and let you end fights IRL like he's showing here.
Great video! We really need some WPS Rash guards. I would 10/10 buy it and rep at my local BJJ/MMA gym!
Nice! Looks like catch wrestling!
My Gracie Jiu-Jitsu school uses the shin on the legs type technique that he's demonstrating. What I like is his striking technique while doing so.
He's using Catch Wrestling tactics.
The master Yoda of grappling, Erik Paulson, teaches these very same things which he borrows from his background in Catch Wrestling, Jiujitsu, Judo, Muay Thai, Wing Tsun, and Sambo.
No shoes on the F-CKING mat!! 😂😂😂
Or cap
His mat, his rules!
Train like you fight.
@@WarriorPoetSociety relax sweetheart. It was a joke for anyone who’s been to a jujitsu gym.
@@NotYourFriendPal went straight into gaslighting
Nice to see Catch Wrestling and leg riding.
I wish I could make it to the class but unfortunately other things have come up. I still want to learn all I can and I was wondering if you all could put some video classes on WPSN app for us to learn from. Great teaching and a wealth of knowledge that I want to learn as much of as I can. Thank you for all you videos and everything you teach.
BJJ is so much more dynamic. Most of this wouldn’t really work. Everything happens so fast and shrimping and sliding the knee, etc… can be very dynamic.
Doing that “structure” standing up, opens you up to strikes. If I saw a guy doing that it would just be hook after hook then takedown. Hopefully as he goes to sleep.
This doesn’t seem that useful…
I thought "well, while he is committed to his elbow structure someone could easily oblique kick/front kick his knee so hard it immediately bent backwards the wrong way." The problem with being a spaz and not being calm is you become very vulnerable who is calm and knows what they are doing.
Neither does your face.
@@user-qj6vg8gp3l well another factor people refuse to acknowledge with this tacticool stuff is that those quick strikes have no power and likely no accuracy either.
You have to grunt when you do it
Never rule it out unless you've trained it, fully understand it and can pressure test it.... watching from your screen isn't enough for you to judge and rule it out....
I love how the non grappler moves all rely on dominant or neutral positions
Finish the fight before it begins. "The Art Of Fighting Without Fighting" - Bruce Lee
The calm panic, thinking you were about to rip his foot off at 4:46 lmao!🤣
I’ll help you guys out. Win the position first and then worry about doing damage. I have been in so many situations where someone focuses so much on hurting me that I end up being able to weather the storm and then get them in a dominant position where they end up losing.
Lee Morrison and Alan Baker ....made Combat systems for street ... just another lvl.
HUGE RESPECT
P. S. And there is one more , take a look for TIMOTSU MIYAHARA ... most respected and deadly moves in world of Martial Arts 🙏
john's nervous laughing is contagious
More Keysi content is always welcome!!
No shoes on the matt lol😂 great video
My jiujitsu instructor hated cupping. Cupping is old school gracie fighting where when they post a hand to get up you pull it out. I learned it from old gracie vcr tapes of them teaching. I did this on my instructor sparring and for a full minute he was beat red mad trying too escape. Till i said enough.
Man what a lucky guy to have John “pinned” lmao
Talk about sweet science. It always amazes me when someone TRUELY understands the principles of their martial art how simple and destructive it is and how well they know and can predict your next and only get out moves so they can pre-emptively destroy you before you even go there. In fact, they want you to. Alan, unreal.! Evidence, never get into a real fight or underestimate anyone. You never know who you're fighting or their background.
😂😂😂😂😂 none of this shit is real. This dude would get washed against any white belt jits guy or amateur boxer. This is tough guy mcdojo shit
@@10oner 😆😆🤣 maybe
Dude has the oddest physique around
lol. The secret to not getting choked…don’t have a neck.
@@braker3589 no neck, slender man arms, slight gut=peak terror
That's what I said! I'm like what body type is that?? lol looks like he severely compressed at one point in his life and never returned to shape.
There is a counter to everything. I love seeing Alan’s simple yet effective counters to the all too popular BJJ techniques.
They don’t work
I've seen this guy in a video on another channel. His techniques seemed to make sense. Glad to see it has the WPS stamp of approval.
Was it Sensei Seth?
i was seen maestro andy norman do this too , how to ground n pound with pensa strike 🥰
I think this shows the value of cross-training, having a lot of tools in your bag, and knowing when to deploy them. I wouldn't want to use that Keysi guard at any kind of distance. A good boxer or kickboxer is gonna find gaps and ring your bell or cause structural damage with leg kicks. Traditional Boxing & Kickboxing stances allow for better reactions there. I would also prefer to sprawl or wizzer out of a takedown attempt but having these elbow techniques to mix into clinching and scrambling has a lot of utility and could introduce fight-changing damage from some unexpected positions.
This is the second time I've seen Alan Baker. Those eyes of his are more threatening than his muscles 😂
I can’t believe no1 in 30 years of the ufc hasn’t thought of shin pinning an opponent’s ankle and just pulling up on his foot to end the fight. I guess all those professional fighters don’t know what this genius knows
Bjj purple belt here 🙌 I’m letting y’all know, this shit wouldn’t fly in an encounter against a bjj guy, no matter how good it looks in a demonstration…
You're no doubt correct...but how many bjj guys are we likely to run into on the street, if we have good situational awareness and avoid doing stupid things in stupid places at stupid times?
Exactly. Any sambo, wrestler, bjj, and catch wrestler…no workie workie
yeah this video set off my BS meter
I feel like the people with mat time are here in this guy reply. That single leg defense is my favorite.
Try it to see
Miss your YT content. 🙏🏽
Sounds like a violent sneeze when he acts like he striking lol
Crazy eyes mr deeds
Ohhh that first one is starying off hot!
Very funny clip. He made me laugh all the time
In a street fight, you need to stay off the ground. At all cost. There's usually going to be somebody with him.
At 2:37, I can’t believe he sneezed on that man’s foot! 🤧
Lol if this was real someone would be doing it in mma. “ nah bro, trust me, it’s too dangerous. They won’t let me fight mma”
I'm pretty sure the ankle rip would get you kicked out of any mma league. But the spaz elbow thing is silly.
You're telling me you can do an ankle lock and fuck a dude up and can't"ankle rip"? C'mon dude...@@user-qj6vg8gp3l
@@user-qj6vg8gp3lYou can rip any submission in any MMA fight. These “submissions” shown in the video would even be legal in BJJ competition. They just don’t happen because they don’t work
That first side control position can be countered by knee tap on the knee closest to your head and under hook with cross face with a bridging motion to the side of his knees for a counter reversal you end up in side control on him. When done fast with good positioning it works REALLY well.
This dude is a savage.
Correct
The ankle locks are pretty dope, the keise system thing hmmm
the ankle lock is from CACC not keysi
@@bangermccrusher I know… I’m a jj purple belt.
As a boxer/muay thai amatuer fighter that thing where he moves his elbows around his head like hes fixing his hair is hilarious.
John, I've recently started down the rabbit hole of the Nephilim. I was surprised today to come across reports of special forces, drone pilots, and other coalition members having various encounters or observations of very large humanoids in various regions of Afghanistan. I'm curious if you know anyone who has had such experiences. Grace and peace, brother!
Alan Baker is a legend.
Dang!
This is comic gold.
Baker is a beast.
3:05 that was the goofiest shit ever!! 😂
so when they shoot for the leg the best defense is the messy hair flurry... got it. 😂😂😂
Interesting stuff. To me it looks like anti-grappling is still grappling. So to be good at it, you need to be good at grappling. Couple that with the unique striking/shielding system of Keysi and I can see that being effective. All of this takes consistent training in an MMA gym or somewhere similar where they actually fight in training. There are no shortcuts.
Reminds me of a Technique called “crazy monkey”. 😎🤟🏻
Thanks John!
So i wonder how yhis ties into your SOCP class. Dsmn, guess i have 2 more classes to attend
Been doing Kung fu for a long time and never heard of this “kee zee ”. But those head covering moves come straight out of Monkey Kung fu. The elbow strikes are a variation of bong sau,a typical strike in many of my forms… anyway, excellent demo of how to protect, evade and counter… I would like to see more…
It’s the Keysi fighting method. What the used for the Christian Bale Batman trilogy. Has some interesting concepts.
7:22 lol was that scripted? Johns reaction is exactly what im doing and im watching on a screen! 😆
Isn't it strange that the people who get paid to win fights for a living don't use this? As someone who has been training Jiu-Jitsu/Muay thai and a few other things for almost 30 years I can tell you that MOST "anti-grappling" techniques simply wont work on anyone past blue belt. They are made for people who don't actually want to learn Jiu-Jitsu and think there are simple/easy solutions that don't really require training. Alan Baker knows this (he is a BJJ black belt) and markets this to these people. Its slick but kinda shady and dishonest.
Side note, if you are a BJJ black belt against someone who knows just a little grappling these things will certainly work. Against anyone purple belt or above or a wrestler, you are getting your ass kicked.
The fighting style he’s advocating for just doesn’t work real world. It’s trying to reinvent the wheel but worse. People would be better off learning something that’s proven to work at every level and it’s disappointing to see such theatrics here. “Kinda shady” is an understatement.
Agreed! I am a very solid grappler with ok striking but this is just garbage material that doesn’t work for real. It is sad to see people buy into something so incorrect
@@AWolfism Its a money grab to get the lazy people in to spend some money on "secret" techniques. I'm more disappointed in John for posting this. He should know better.
@@codychappel4494 Its even more sad to see someone like John promoting it.
Big facts
It's been a loooong while since I was into MMA stuff, so correct me if Im wrong, but we never see these techniques in the ring. Why would this be effective in a real fight if we never see it used in competition? especially with the prevalence of successful grapple's in MMA an anti-grappler methodology should dominate if it works. i.e. if this worked so well why is BJJ still king?
BJJ hasnt been king for a long time
For reference, I've trained in KFM, muay thai and Bjj. I don't think keysi is effective in the ring but I do think certain techniques are effective for self defense which is ultimately what it was developed for. Think krav maga.
My logic is in the ring you have space a time limit and rules. Certain kfm techniques would be illegal and just aren't the best available in long distance range. But most self defense scenarios occur in tight spaces say a bar or a crowded sporting event concert or subway station. So you're in tight (Thai clinch would be good as well) and surrounded by ppl some may be bystanders others may be team your enemy so keep the dome protected which is why everything is thrown from head. In the ring with one clear opponent and no obstructions that's not a concern so you can throw from boxing guard and you've just gained speed and reach. Similar argument with grappling. It is not a system that will out strike an elite boxer in ideal conditions or outgrapple an elite grappler in ideal conditions. It's for the messy situations where you need to just end the fight and you don't have tons of lighting space e.t.c. cheers
If you can't test it because it's too dangerous how do you really know it's effective? How do you know you can even get to that point of using it consistently?
You don't see these in the octagon because they are BS. This is 100% MC dojo technique.
Greetings John! Love your channel! Quick question: I know this is off-topic, but what Bible translation do you use?
😂😂😆😆😂 hell naw! He said, dramatic and spastastic!"
Five stars !! 🖐️👺
PLEASE include more classes!
This looks very interesting, I wonder why mma fighters don’t include more elbow strikes in these types of grappling exchanges
Probably because it's only a strike to your core, which you can tense your core to take the impact better.
The other thing is to ask "how many elbow strikes does it take to in the fight in my opponents guard?"
The answer: unless you have really long arms and your elbows can reach your opponents face without breaking posture/making it easy to disrupt you, any strike isn't going to end the fight unless it's hitting the face/or is a liver shot.
Hopefully that answers your question.
No offense, but if you're not reversing from bottom position in a fight, you have another thing coming. Keep in mind that when combat grappling, the techniques and priorities change drastically. Wrist control becomes paramount, close quarters, dominating inside space, underhooks, top game, pressure, all become more important. If you're an LEO learning grappling, it's a good idea to practice preventing people from reaching your belt. Basically, if you're training grappling for combat and self defense, prioritize tight control game.
John is trying so hard to be a student but can’t rid himself of the anxiety of the possibility of being killed😂😂😂😂
It was that obvious, eh… 🫣
Where can I get training with this guy?
Great stuff. How can someone train with this without a training partner? A hanging bag?
Get a membership at a jiu-jitsu gym
Wow! Why haven't any MMA fighters thought of this in the last 30 years when going up against grappling based opponents? Is it because these techniques are "fo da streets" only? You would think you'd see more fighters employing these techniques in the cage, I guess that would require them to actually work against an actively resisting opponent who knows how to grapple...
He reminds me of the kinda guy who buys arugula and liver at the grocery store, but then simultaneously can take your liver out and sell it back to the store.
Dancing tecktonik when we were youth could give us the key to win fights in future... Who could say it...
Just love your videos. So much information and very entertaining.
That side control frame you need to drag your shin across his belt line and continue to frame until you can recover guard.
John, being a wrestler himself, knows better than anyone that the only actual "anti-grappling" is something like a sneaky push dagger or a being a good grappler yourself.
Sincere question (not being judgemental):
If these are effective techniques, why dont we see MMA fighters using them? Sure, they use elbows and such, but not in these ways.
these techniques are a load of crap that's why
50% because they're not trying to accomplish the same things- i.e. the weird block strike thing is meant to keep you from getting hit and maybe hit them back or just escape, whereas MMA's goal is to actively be the attacker
50% you do, all this "anti grappling stuff was just... grappling. You can definitely do those shin-trap things, you just generally don't because it's a bit of a dick move and anyone who's cool with you using dick moves on them is probably also good enough to not get caught in them.
Top off with a sprinkle of bullshit (like the "just snap the ankle" stuff) and exaggeration to sell his stuff as different (the "see how effective that is?" after spazzing towards someone not resisting because they don't want to get hurt or hurt you)
Mma fighters manage distance effectively and use kicks to keep out of punch/elbow strike distance
@@jeremytracy9232 So wouldn't that be the better option then? If the stuff Alan is showing in the video is what works for "anti-grappling," then I would expect MMA fighters (particularly those who don't want to go to the ground and grapple) to use his techniques.
It honestly feels like some exaggerated McDojo stuff; it probably works against those without training though
@@unashamedly1776 Are back of the head strikes allowed in the octagon?
Did anyone else click on the video when they realized the standing dude was holding his own head and arm in the thumbnail?