I remember that i heard Lucas said that if he was allowed to made the sequel triology he would have wanted to make the scenario similar to the Iraq War rather than making a complete reboot of the original series. Honestly i would prefer this idea more than what we got.
15:50 I think this is a somewhat faulty accusation. For one, Tatooine was not within the jurisdiction of the Republic, so the Jedi didn’t have any authority to just end slavery on a planet under the sovereignty of another polity (the Hutts). The Jedi could act, with reasonableness, more-or-less freely within the Republic, but not outside of it. Not everyone recognized their authority, much less respected it. Additionally, the Jedi had initially attempted to, not execute Palpatine, but arrest him. Palpatine resisted arrest both times and murdered three other Jedi Masters in his resistance. Even after being disarmed, he still attempted to kill Mace Windu, and it was only after this second attempt that Mace Windu sought to take his life. Given the immediate prior events (not to mention his successful murder of three others just moments before), the repeated attempts Palpatine made to murder Windu in his resistance of arrest, while also accepting the Jedi's institutionalized role within the Republic as its protectors and law enforcers, I don’t think we can call that “extrajudicial murder” as the allegation of its illegality is very dubious, if not entirely unreasonable.
>Jedi didn’t have any authority to just end slavery on a planet under the sovereignty of another polity 1. The jedi aren't really only a republic thing. Seeing them like this would be like seeing the orthodox Patriarch and orthodox institutions as only a byzantine thing,the catholics Pope and catholic institution as only a holy roman or italian thing 2. Just because it isn't the same polity it doesn't mean that you can't presure them to renounce it just look at the zygerrians >Additionally, the Jedi had initially attempted to, not execute Palpatine, but arrest him. "Additionally, the green berets had initially attempted to, not execute Biden, but arrest him.Biden resisted arrest both times and murdered three other green barets in his resistance. Even after being disarmed, he still attempted to kill John Smith, and it was only after this second attempt that John Smith sought to take his life. Given the immediate prior events (not to mention his successful murder of three others just moments before), the repeated attempts Biden made to murder Smith in his resistance of arrest, while also accepting the US army's institutionalized role within the Republic as its protectors and law enforcers( in moments of extreme crises), I don’t think we can call that “extrajudicial murder” as the allegation of its illegality is very dubious, if not entirely unreasonable." I might be crazy, but letting child kidnapping religious maniacs to kill the head of the government when they want and invent an impossible reasoning when they stop liking him is not a good precedent.
@@alexandrub8786 The Jedi aren't only present in the Republic, but they don't have authority outside of it. The Jedi are integrated into the Republic, under the presiding authority of the Senate. Other polities may (and often did) permit their presence and give them permission to act, but that is not to say the Jedi could simply go around the galaxy doing whatever they wanted. Likening the Jedi Order to any real world religion, either in their function or their practices, will always prove faulty and misleading. 2 The Jedi can't pressure external governments because they're not politically independent. What they do outside of the Republic represents the Republic who give them their authority. Case in point, the Republic took action against the Zygerrians; they Jedi could not do that on their own. Green Berets are military, not law enforcement. If the police tried to arrest Biden and Biden responded by killing several of them, they would absolutely be legally authorized to use lethal force. Also, the Jedi didn't kidnap children.
@@alexandrub8786 The Jedi may have wanted to dispute the claim that they were effectively just another arm of the Republic, but they were. They had chosen to attach themselves to the Republic long before the events of the movies. They were literally serving as commanders and generals in the Republic military. The Hutts were a major political power within the galaxy, and they didn't recognize the authority of the Jedi to do anything. For the Jedi to impose themselves on Hutt society would've led to conflict. I'm not saying they shouldn't have anyway, but that is the reality of the situation. As for the attempted-arrest-turned-attempted-assassination of Palpatine, that's more of a gray area. True, the idea of effectively military leaders trying to arrest the elected head of the civilian government isn't something those of us living in democracies really enjoy, the Jedi had been given power to arrest people in the past. It's not a leap in logic that they would have the ability to arrest someone based on credible evidence of a crime. For Palpatine, being a Sith Lord wasn't a crime, but orchestrating assassinations and war as a means to advance your political career is a crime. Definitely an argument to be made that Windu trying to arrest Palpatine was justified. Palpatine would've had his day in court, a day he would've almost certainly won because, as Windu pointed out, Palpatine had control of the courts. Windu trying to kill Palpatine was probably more of a not-so-justified response, but at that point, Windu was acting more as a) a Jedi opposed to the Sith, and b) someone acting to protect democracy and willing to accept the consequences of his actions, which would've probably been arrest and maybe execution.
Exactly. The Jedi are absolutely in thrall to the Republic. That's why Sidious went to become Chancellor to make them his minions. The Jedi could only act within the law of the Republic- which means Qui Gon was already pushing his jurisdiction by his gambling scheme. He had to work within the framework of the Hutts- he couldn't just free slaves by imposing Republic laws. "the Republic doesn't exist out here" "Republic CreditS? They're no good here. I need something more real". The only way the Jedi could act against the chancellor was if the Chancellor broke the law, in this case maintaining emergency powers after the passage of the emergency. Mace chose violence because Palpatine resisted arrest with lethal force.
Another key reason for the CIS to form was the dissatisfaction of the furthest worlds from the Core with the Republic - which demanded taxes and support from them, but gave back little. Palpatine probably worked very hard before the spring of the war to make the Republic less and less interested in supporting those far away worlds and stir the cauldron of rebellion.
I’d say missed an opportunity to point out that the failure of the new republic was that it was really a conglomerate of many political factions that only united around the ideal of not being the opposition but when put in the seat of power and forcing out the opposition immediately degenerated into factions that hampered one another because they all in the long run had differing ideals and goals which is similar to American politics today.
The fall of the new republic was more of a writing problem than a political dilemma We didnt saw the new republic dividing into individual factions and starting another civil war between those factions once after the empire "fell" which is very typical in an aftermath of a revolution Instead, the new conflict that rose came from the same empire, again. Twice in fact (Thrawn and First Order)
Ehhhh yeah and no. There wasn't a civil war per se, but in the book Star Wars: bloodline, we do see the political divisions already happening with many empire nostalgic senators starting to fund and create the first order. It's certainly was not fleshed out enough, however, and I would still agree that it's also a writing problem@@kungalexander829
@@kungalexander829 What I find funny is that now they're retroactively trying to paint it as "Oh, the problem was they allowed former Imperials in the government and that made it fail" But if we look at history... When there's a regime change and former officials are given amnesty and allowed to still have a hand in running the country, they almost always succeed . And almost all the countries that didn't allow any former government administrators to continue, became failed states.
@@seventh-hydra i dont understand why Dave filoni potrayed the amnesty progran as a bad thing Wouldnt the new republic become even stronger and more competent if they let experienced imperial officials in? The imperials that got offered amnesty doesn't seem look all that bad, they just happened to be serving the worst imperial warlord Filoni even has to bring up that unesscary brainwashing part just to paint the new republic as evil because amnesties are actually generous and an act of forgiveness than he's trying to convey
I always found curious how, even with themes like spirituality and authoritarianism being so central to Star Wars, religious fanaticism is not really something the franchise tackles on much. You kind of see a bit of that idea on the tenets of the Jedi order during the Prequels. Where it can be argued that if in the past there was room for separate doctrines inside the order, like most religions use to have, the more traditionalist and controlling way of thinking seems to have pushed them all out. The only way of dissenting is by leaving the order, like Dooku did. But overall, it doesn't seem to be tackled as a main factor for their fall inside the story, beyond Anakin's personal journey. Political corruption seems to be the cause here.
Probably because their is verifiable proof of the power of both the Jedi and Sith religion as soon as you meet one. The Jedi say their power comes from their religion and then they levitate someone or something. This shows that there is something behind their faith but also hampers to many people from joining in on it as if you can’t do it then it doesn’t seem like the religion for you. At that hard to make fanaticism when there are so few that are part of any force based religion in a galaxy that has trillions of intelligent beings in it. The original EU did actually have a religious zealous order once take over the republic that was highly xenophobic. The Jedi helped stopped this religion after they had pulled away from the republic for a time.
Organized religion is a means to power. We saw what happens what a strict order of hierarchy does to a young Anakin Skywalker. He deserved what he wanted as a Jedi but it was not given to him and even when he warned the Jedi council of the evil Sith, a lot like what happens in real life with strict orders of hierarchy, their pride was too great to listen to the young Anakin and to the changes being taken place. This proved to be the downfall of the Jedi and subsequently their religious order and power along with it.
@@BleedForTheWorldorganized religions can be a means to power but are by no means the only thing they are about. Right now only one organized religion (Islam) has any overt power in the entire world over governments. Maybe Jewish but that’s only really for one country so not global. Religion is about faith belief and a shared concept of core values
@@tjmcfadden5137 I said organized religion, not the belief in the supernatural itself which is founded in religion. Organized religion is certainly a means to power - that's why the strict hierarchical structures are put in place after all.
And I think it does. We see Obi-Wan's dogmatic approach contrasted negatively with Qui-Gon's more intuitive and personal approach. The Jedi have become complacent and don't take anything seriously, neither the Sith nor Anakin nor Sidious until it's too late. Anakin doesn't get the answers he needs since, while valid, the Jedi approach isn't appropriate for him and no one knows how to teach a troubled kid. So that's why he's more willing to listen to Palpatine telling him what he wants. It's about an established orthodoxy so out of touch despite their best intentions, they wind up allowing a child to be groomed and radicalized by a fanatic who is far more convincing. We see this in religions a lot: the main body fails the marginalized so they follow fundamentalists who promise them power.
Looking forward to more from this series. It's what the channel is perfectly positioned to explore given the kings and generals connection- the fun diversions of popular culture as well as the ideas they explore and the real world and history that those ideas relate to. Fantastic stuff, keep it up. I don't normally comment on TH-cam but I know the algorithm pays attention to engagement and this is exactly what I want to see being made.
Andor, Rogue One, Revenge of the Sith, and the OGs are star wars politics at its best. (Honorable mention the Clone Wars and some post endor book) A distinctly anti authoritarian theme at the end while occasionally critiquing those who aren't fascist. -- SW, especially nuCanon is one of the few franchises I've seen be so political and varied yet still positing a deliberate "right side" effectively.
Im always mystified whenever people complain about Star Wars having politics when it was made by a baby boomer who grew up in the shadow of Nixon and the Vietnam War. To say Star Wars should not have any politics in it is having a severe case of missingthepoint-itis. Now what I will agree on is how the application of politics in Star Wars has been rather mixed. No where is that more apparent than the Prequel Trilogy, to the point that it needed an entire animated show of 7 seasons to actually explain and justify it properly.
There's a difference between subtle allegory to politics as in the OT and PT and the overt "we're right you're wrong" politics that surround the so-called sequels.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this video, it was deeply appreciated and I quite enjoyed it! I can’t wait to watch more from you all!
I always have this question in my mind about the Republic: Is it too big to govern? I asked this because we've seen how the Core Worlds not only failed to provide basic needs to the Outer Rim but also actively oppressing the peoples there as well. And it reached to the point that the rule of the Hutts and the rule of the Republic through the megacoporations in the Outer Rim makes little to no different. I came to this conclusion because the megacorporations basically ran the entire Outer Rim as their own fiefdoms while the Hutts and the other criminal gangs can pretty much ignoring the Republic laws and do whatever they wanted just like how those megacorporations did because the Republic cannot responded to them in time, with military or not. And during the reign of the Empire, things only got worse instead of better. So in my view, it will be for the best for the Republic to leave the territories beyond the Colonies alone and let them develop into their own galactic polities. As for how can the Republic can survived if that happened, reorganize into something similar to the Roman Empire in the aftermath of the Early Muslim conquest might be the only option. I know, I know. It means giving a lot of powers to the military governors. But to compromise, limiting who have the rights to vote is the solution to this. You know, like only the Prince-electors and the other ruling elites in the Holy Roman Empire can voted who can become the Holy Roman Emperor, of course. So giving the rights to vote only to the elites about who should become the Chancellor of the Galactic Republic will be for the best for the time being. I know that this is a big step going backward for the galactic level civilization. But I see no other choice here. As for the territories outside of the Republic, I can see the rebirth of the Hutt Empire, the Tionese Cluster and the Mandalorian Space happened once the Galactic Republic withdrawn from the territories beyond the Colonies.
You are correct, it was ridiculous to suggest that the Jedi are corrupt because they refuse to imperialistically impose their values on the backend of nowhere while acting to defeat a sith lord who had taken over the galactic government. The whole point of the Vietnam War analogy is that Lucas thinks that the Americans had no business being there, and they should be left alone to deal with it themselves. The Iraqis were "liberated" from Saddam, and he was opposed to that too, even though I am sure he didn't support Saddam Hussein's policies.
Great video. I’m looking forward to more in the series. However, I do have 1 big gripe with this video. The Separatists are very clearly based on the Confederacy of Independent States and the Clone Wars on the American Civil War. Both had the acronym meaning basically the same thing (Confederacy of Independent Systems and Confederacy of Independent States) and fought for basically the same reasons. The American South was also the more rural and underdeveloped region of the country as the outer rim was the remote backwaters of the galaxy. They both believed ideologically that they were fighting for freedom and rights when in reality they were fighting to preserve the economic prosperity of a small elite. The American south was culturally and socially different from the north and had issues with some of the more liberal ideas espoused by the Northern states (Slavery and egalitarianism generally being 2 big ones). The elites of the south, the plantation owners, fancied themselves to be the new aristocracy of the country. Despite being less than 5% of the south’s population they completely dominated politics, the economy, social trends, law, and owned nearly all the slaves (slavery also impoverished non-slave owning whites because of deflated labor costs so they basically controlled them economically too). The south had been equal politically with a slight edge over the north for most of early American history despite a widening gap in population growth and economic productivity as the north industrialized and grew its population via immigration while the south largely did not. The gap eventually did reflect in politics in the 1850s when the south started to lose influence to the north. The northern dominated federal government did pass tariffs and trade deals that clearly benefited the north by exploiting the cheap agricultural labor of the south. In addition to this northern states refused to follow federal laws such as the fugitive slave act that benefited the south. The final straw was the election of Abraham Lincoln (an abolitionist) to the presidency. The separatist movement was made up mostly of backwater outer time worlds who felt neglected by the core world but the bulk of their resources came from the mega corporations who held all the real power (ironically very similar to the post civil war north). Like the American south many believed they were fighting for freedom and rights but it was ultimately to line the pockets of the already wealthy and expand their freedom to exploit others. Both wars were separatist movements that began when the federal government tried to wield standard and routine powers over the separatists who responded with hostility. The reinforcing of fort Sumter and its bombardment in America and the investigation/police action by the Jedi followed by the arena battle. The war ends with the republic winning and reunifying the nation, occupying the rebel territory, and the republic becoming a more imperial and militaristic force after the war. Robert E. Lee and Count Dooku are former well respected teachers and leaders. Lee the top instructor at West Point and Dooku was a Jedi Master but both ended up betraying the Union because of political ideals. Robert E. Lee and Christopher Lee are also distant cousins and both direct descendants of Charlemagne. All three look very similar. I’m pretty sure this last one is a coincidence but that’s a crazy coincidence.
Sorry I gotta be that guy....there wasn't a sepretatist movement during the battle of naboo. The invasion was an escation from the blockad by the trade federation. (Similar to the Dutch east Indian trading Co.) All purpotrated by sideous but was not a separatist attack at the time.
Armed resistance against an imperial power only works when the imperial power deems the fight too expensive to continue and withdraws. A civil war is a horse of a different colour. I assert the Galactic War was more of civil war than a rebellion.
@@Dr_Evil_Mc-Bad One could indeed argue that all internal revolutions are civil wars in a way. The Russians had the White and the Red. Vietnam had north and south, when the American's left Vietnam, the south quickly collapsed.
"It is a period of civil war." - Episode IV. Rebellion just means opposition. The true political factions would be Imperials against the Alliance. The Alliance want a return to democracy and less central authority.
She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is the true ideological successor of Star Wars. The Princesses Alliance/Princesses Rebellion, the Galactic Horde/Galactic Empire, Catra as the quintessential tragic Sith figure and so on...
I'd love to see you cover the other more political aspects, or historical influences from Star Wars Legends. Time periods like the Pius Dea, or the Imperial Warlords Era are imo very interesting periods.
I find it funny that CIS and Rebelion are good copies of eachother with the main difference just being which one is the protagonist (i.e. which side we see the perspective on). Also it sounded like you confused the Trade Federation(which was on the both sides like all the "Big Bussinesses" of Star Wars Galay) with CIS.
@@vectorstrikecan they really be called rebels when their leader was a Sith Lord and said sith is also controlling the republic they were rebelling against?
The CIS was not all that different from the Republic, but starkly different from the Rebels. The CIS was a corporatist faction led by wealthy and powerful industrialists, who were frustrated by the Core World-centric political system of the Republic and the bureaucracy that stood in the way of them gaining more power and wealth. The primary cause of their grievances was that they felt marginalized, and to an extent that was true. But their own government developed the same problems the Republic had (these industrialists became the very corrupt bureaucracy they complained about in the Republic, and Dooku basically had total control of the Separatist Senate the same way Palpatine effectively controlled the Republic Senate). Not to mention the vast oppression of the systems they subjugated during the Clone Wars (to be fair most of this was cleverly hidden from much of the Separatist citizenry through propaganda and media control by the corrupt leadership). None of this relates to the Rebels, with much of the leadership coming from Core World planets loyal to the Republic during the Clone Wars. Virtually none of them came from corporate backgrounds, and were dedicated to ideals of peace, diplomacy, and anti-corruption.
Part of why I think the Sequels fall so flat compared to the PT and OT is precisely because they shy so far away from having any political throughline in its message and story. It just is a generic Bad v Good with a recycled Empire. I really wish they treaded some new ground or used ideas like the Vong.
17:00 we still talk about the sith or the jedi? or it doesn't count as manipulation if you have taken the kids right from the operating table?/jk 17:19 "Deeply commited to machismo and violence" Is that why they hide for 1000 years and scheamed in the shadow against their enemies?
I can think of at least 2 real world analogies to the CIS, however diving into them would likely lead to big political arguments (and possibly complaints from both sides of the aisle) so I understand why the channel avoided talking about them
I always thought that the Jedi were based on the Knights Templar as they were betrayed by the people they served just as the Templar’s were betrayed by the pope and the king of France.
@LuisBrito-ly1ko true, but it's a great case of "wait... are we the baddies?" whenever Lucas's original statement comes up. It's like when I tell my fellow Brits about our own colonial bullshit.
While people may criticise the sequels, not enough acknowledgement has been made about the direct allusions of contemporary politics of what the First Order was made about, neo-fascism and the fanboys of those fascist movements.
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I love to recommend my friend David Brin's attack on Yoda because it makes some people thinks. On a separate note I think gordy dickson's wolfling in some way mist have influenced the lightsaber. It was acgually cooler in that book in that it could retract into a shield like a rotella or targe and could telescope out into a thrust like a rapier or smallsword. I would love go see it get introduced to star wars someday.
The only authoritarian regime in existence that everyone would think in the era of the O.T. was none other than the Soviet Union that you so cleverly tried to wash clean. Zero individuality, machismo (which is not such a bad thing to be honest), total militarism, strict grey officers, threatening to wipe out the world with a massive destruction weapon, a father-figure to rule them all, huge industrialism and no right to one's opinion. This is no USA in the Vietnam era but exactly what everyone thought during the Cold War of the USSR. As for the 1st Order being neo-nazis... just watch General's Hux speech and tell me that this is not a direct mention to Nurnberg and the movies of L. Riefenstahl. At least during the first movie of the sequels, in the rest of them it's just Disney chaos, nobody cares and nobody has any idea of what they tried to do with Mary Sue...
George Lucas understood that evil has to have understandable motives, and that made the Empire a great and realistic opponent to the Rebellion. Disney producers don't understand this, and they have poisoned the IP forever.
I'm sorry, but "realistic and grounded" are not the words I would use to describe Palpatine, or even Vader. They are both gloriously melodramatic, Palpie in particular.
I never really saw the republic as a democracy, looking at its voting body it had major banking conglomerates like the trade federation, it had monarchs like the queen of naboo and the king/queen of Alderaan (elected, but elected by the noble houses of those planets). So when I hear Obi-Wan and Padme going on about the sacredness of democracy I cant help but laugh.
There is a feudal structure based around the emperor and influenced by a cult of witches who use subtle control over the human mind (basically mind tricks), prescience and control over their body to influence the galaxy. The main character is a guy that has these powers, but without knowing it is secretly the grandson of the cyborg villain of the series who works for the emperor but is the face of evil within it.
I’ve always found the comparison of the Empire as America and the Rebellion as the Viet Cong to be rather flawed. Like for one America didn’t rule over North Vietnam, or any of Vietnam, that was the French. For two the Vietnam War obviously wasn’t black and white, I mean the North Vietnam regularly took the Geneva conventions and wiped their ass with it, mistreating prisoners as a rule and putting noncombatants in danger, and yeah the South guy sucked so hard even America was like “yeah he’s gotta go.” And for three America was just literally fighting the war for the South to help them take all Vietnam, which was the exact same thing the Viet Cong did practically 5 minutes after America took a hike and the truce was finished. If it were to be an analogy including America as the Empire then I’d say America and the Natives would be a better analogy
I remember someone said when they saw Darth Vader for the first time they remarked "Oh...a Nazi in space" And the confederation of systems inspiration? Obvious isn't it? The American Civil war. The confederate states
Come on how did you miss at 4 minutes George Lucas says in that interview in explicit terms the rebels can be viewed as the Vietcong fighters and empire obviously being the American war machine
Love your guys' videos. I know you kind of touched on it, but while Disney may claim to not explicitly include politics in their work you gotta be very naive if you don't think there isn't a load of progressive leftist ideology included in their works over the past decade or so. Their own employees have stated as much in interviews; the biggest one that comes to mind for me is the woman going on about her "not so secret gay agenda." It doesn't even matter whether you support that or not, the fact remains it's happening and that is why there's been such a push back against their recent work (and why so many have flopped). Heck the company themselves, to say nothing of their employees, lost it over the FL governor's signing that legislation in 2022. If you (I'm NOT necessarily speaking to W&W, just generally) think that ideology doesn't make it into their work... LOL. One other thing I find funny is the right, like GWB, is frequently compared to authoritarianism by people who support politics that are way more authoritarian. These people want you fired or your kids taken away or your bank account frozen for not taking an experimental shot, lose it if they can't hang pride flags on their classrooms or a truck burns rubber over a pride flag painted on asphalt, want political opponents censored (don't you dare talk about the most free and secure election of all time), etc. They're supposed to be so open minded but I see anything but that from that side. Heck they eat their own if someone even slightly veers from their orthodoxy. Self-awareness and self-reflection are good things, is all I'm saying.
Hey mate. I mean this in a friendly way, but you speak about self awareness and reflection while going into a “gay agenda” and conspiracy rabbit hole on a Star Wars video. With love, maybe it’s time to reflect on those views to see if they are serving you well. There is a great focus on these “issues” among conservatives in America, which I find deeply disturbing. Your cost of living, your medical bills, your freedom of speech and protest are all being slowly stripped away and they’ve got you focusing on… gay people? Youre obviously not an idiot, so I don’t mean to patronise you. But maybe reconsider your allegiance to those who tell you the issues are wokeness and gay people rather than your quality of life and human rights. Cheers
Today's homework: define fascism without referring to 1960s hippy Boomerlib verbiage. Bonus points: define why fascism was worse for a group of people than a "people's republic" communistic style government.
I mean, I consider murdering millions of people because of their parents kind of a bad thing, personally. Every “communist” government thus far has been just as fascist as Franco or Mussolini. Utterly authoritarian? Check. Cult of personality? Check. Ideal of leader as “people’s will”? Check. Elimination of all restraints on state power? Check. Overwhelmingly militarized? Check. Paranoia of the ill-defined “other”? Check. State authority was equally unrestricted and equally arbitrary in both systems. At the end of the day, the only difference was who owned the factories: private businesses or the state.
It’s not because Disney cares about the the lgbtq or poc community or any of that politics, all those are cash grabs in order to try to get attention and thus more people who may watch the their movies or shows
As I delve deeper into the Star Wars prequel trilogy, I can't shake the feeling that there are profound parallels with the ancient conflicts between Carthage and Rome, famously known as the Punic Wars. It's almost as if George Lucas drew inspiration from these historical events to construct the narrative of the Galactic Republic and the Separatists. In both stories, I see a grand struggle for power and dominance, echoing the territorial ambitions and political rivalries that drove the Punic Wars. The Republic, much like Rome, stands as a bastion of authority and order, while the Separatists, reminiscent of Carthage, represent a dissenting faction seeking to carve out their own realm. Economic interests and control over trade routes emerge as crucial points of contention, propelling the conflict forward and shaping the alliances and strategies of the opposing sides. Just as Carthage and Rome fought bitterly over key trade routes in the Mediterranean, so too do the Republic and the Separatists vie for supremacy in the galaxy's hyperspace lanes. Moreover, the rise of charismatic leaders manipulating events from the shadows adds a layer of complexity to both narratives. The cunning machinations of figures like Palpatine and Darth Sidious bear an uncanny resemblance to the strategic brilliance of Hannibal Barca, who sought to outmaneuver his Roman foes during the Punic Wars. In essence, these parallels between the Punic Wars and the Star Wars prequel trilogy deepen my appreciation for the timeless themes of power, politics, and conflict. It's almost as if Lucas tapped into the essence of ancient history to craft a narrative that transcends both time and space, resonating with audiences through its universal truths and compelling storytelling.
"The Republic, much like Rome, stands as a bastion of authority and order, while the Separatists, reminiscent of Carthage, represent a dissenting faction seeking to carve out their own realm." The problem with this line is that Carthage was the established regional power and Rome was trying to carve out their own realm by the time of the First Punic War.
I don't doubt that George Lucas is a leftie, but I guess everybody chooses what they want to see in star wars. I always thought there was mostly a liberal story behind star wars and I'm not talking necessarily of leftwing liberalism, but I do can believe that the sequels were based on a very leftwing woke vision of the world even if I think it is completely ignorant of reality. Maybe this is the reason behind its and Disney's overall failure with the franchise. Because it's not like any leftwing ideologues or factions introduce authoritarianism or dictatorships.
Star Wars is supposed to be anti-American imperialism. The empire is based on America. The republic is based on Americans smaller enemies like Iraq and Vietnam. The sequels did poorly because they were bad as movies. Not sure what could be considered woke in Star Wars?
@@antonsokolov1771 Disney is at the front line of this culture war with Iger being a 5 star general. Remember their stance at the parental right bill in florida? They try to influence politics so he is wrong about them not being overtly political.
@@AsymmetricalCrimesYeah, it's expanded universe. The point of the Vong was to excuse Palpatine's imperialism. Which doesn't work cuz the Emperor is pure evil and the Vong are just a caricature out of the Hellraiser movies.
Well... that was certainly a grotesquely blatant display of America-bashing. At least it was honest in its opinion, greatly flawed though it is. I can give that much credit, certainly. Pity, I've loved this channel up until now.
But it is true. Lucas is a rich leftie. And the writers and directors of modern Star Wars lean left-liberal. Spielberg, Lucas' friend, nowadays makes movies with Tony Kushner. While cashing some good Dreamworks' cheques.
@@PurpleWarlock What's also true is that the Rebellion was clearly inspired by the American Revolution. Ironic that a channel host that claims to hate Russia so much spent this entire video slobbing on the knob of the Soviet Empire.
@@The_J0ker29 I mean, he used a book on analysis of Star Wars. Lucas has said SW was inspired by Vietnam. Americans are not exactly a good influence. Tho there is irony. It is usually saving the galaxy. Not alíen. But makeup is expensive.
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Bruh no.
You claim Disney is apolitical. You are a liar.
The CEO ran for Presient, and told shareholders we need to decrease political messaging in our film. 😂 You're an entertaining liar, but still a liar.
They hit a black man with a burning cross in the 1st Sequel film, then made him a sambo. No political message there. Nope. lol
George is a leftist as long as it doesn't affect his livelihood. He is a typical Hollywood scumbag.
I remember that i heard Lucas said that if he was allowed to made the sequel triology he would have wanted to make the scenario similar to the Iraq War rather than making a complete reboot of the original series.
Honestly i would prefer this idea more than what we got.
Yeah I think it would have been amazing
He said the plot would have been Darth Maul and his new Sith apprentice being the primary antagonist against Luke's new Jedi Order.
It would have been much, much better!
Would that have worked given the blow back for the Phantom Menace where people didn't like/understand the politics?
@@vittoriacolona Presumably they would ideally be depicted better than in The Phantom Menace.
15:50 I think this is a somewhat faulty accusation. For one, Tatooine was not within the jurisdiction of the Republic, so the Jedi didn’t have any authority to just end slavery on a planet under the sovereignty of another polity (the Hutts). The Jedi could act, with reasonableness, more-or-less freely within the Republic, but not outside of it. Not everyone recognized their authority, much less respected it.
Additionally, the Jedi had initially attempted to, not execute Palpatine, but arrest him. Palpatine resisted arrest both times and murdered three other Jedi Masters in his resistance. Even after being disarmed, he still attempted to kill Mace Windu, and it was only after this second attempt that Mace Windu sought to take his life. Given the immediate prior events (not to mention his successful murder of three others just moments before), the repeated attempts Palpatine made to murder Windu in his resistance of arrest, while also accepting the Jedi's institutionalized role within the Republic as its protectors and law enforcers, I don’t think we can call that “extrajudicial murder” as the allegation of its illegality is very dubious, if not entirely unreasonable.
>Jedi didn’t have any authority to just end slavery on a planet under the sovereignty of another polity
1. The jedi aren't really only a republic thing. Seeing them like this would be like seeing the orthodox Patriarch and orthodox institutions as only a byzantine thing,the catholics Pope and catholic institution as only a holy roman or italian thing
2. Just because it isn't the same polity it doesn't mean that you can't presure them to renounce it just look at the zygerrians
>Additionally, the Jedi had initially attempted to, not execute Palpatine, but arrest him.
"Additionally, the green berets had initially attempted to, not execute Biden, but arrest him.Biden resisted arrest both times and murdered three other green barets in his resistance. Even after being disarmed, he still attempted to kill John Smith, and it was only after this second attempt that John Smith sought to take his life. Given the immediate prior events (not to mention his successful murder of three others just moments before), the repeated attempts Biden made to murder Smith in his resistance of arrest, while also accepting the US army's institutionalized role within the Republic as its protectors and law enforcers( in moments of extreme crises), I don’t think we can call that “extrajudicial murder” as the allegation of its illegality is very dubious, if not entirely unreasonable."
I might be crazy, but letting child kidnapping religious maniacs to kill the head of the government when they want and invent an impossible reasoning when they stop liking him is not a good precedent.
@@alexandrub8786 The Jedi aren't only present in the Republic, but they don't have authority outside of it. The Jedi are integrated into the Republic, under the presiding authority of the Senate. Other polities may (and often did) permit their presence and give them permission to act, but that is not to say the Jedi could simply go around the galaxy doing whatever they wanted. Likening the Jedi Order to any real world religion, either in their function or their practices, will always prove faulty and misleading.
2 The Jedi can't pressure external governments because they're not politically independent. What they do outside of the Republic represents the Republic who give them their authority. Case in point, the Republic took action against the Zygerrians; they Jedi could not do that on their own.
Green Berets are military, not law enforcement. If the police tried to arrest Biden and Biden responded by killing several of them, they would absolutely be legally authorized to use lethal force.
Also, the Jedi didn't kidnap children.
Also the judges were in Palpatine's pocket, so arresting him wouldn't have achieved anything.
@@alexandrub8786 The Jedi may have wanted to dispute the claim that they were effectively just another arm of the Republic, but they were. They had chosen to attach themselves to the Republic long before the events of the movies. They were literally serving as commanders and generals in the Republic military. The Hutts were a major political power within the galaxy, and they didn't recognize the authority of the Jedi to do anything. For the Jedi to impose themselves on Hutt society would've led to conflict. I'm not saying they shouldn't have anyway, but that is the reality of the situation.
As for the attempted-arrest-turned-attempted-assassination of Palpatine, that's more of a gray area. True, the idea of effectively military leaders trying to arrest the elected head of the civilian government isn't something those of us living in democracies really enjoy, the Jedi had been given power to arrest people in the past. It's not a leap in logic that they would have the ability to arrest someone based on credible evidence of a crime. For Palpatine, being a Sith Lord wasn't a crime, but orchestrating assassinations and war as a means to advance your political career is a crime. Definitely an argument to be made that Windu trying to arrest Palpatine was justified. Palpatine would've had his day in court, a day he would've almost certainly won because, as Windu pointed out, Palpatine had control of the courts. Windu trying to kill Palpatine was probably more of a not-so-justified response, but at that point, Windu was acting more as a) a Jedi opposed to the Sith, and b) someone acting to protect democracy and willing to accept the consequences of his actions, which would've probably been arrest and maybe execution.
Exactly. The Jedi are absolutely in thrall to the Republic. That's why Sidious went to become Chancellor to make them his minions. The Jedi could only act within the law of the Republic- which means Qui Gon was already pushing his jurisdiction by his gambling scheme. He had to work within the framework of the Hutts- he couldn't just free slaves by imposing Republic laws. "the Republic doesn't exist out here" "Republic CreditS? They're no good here. I need something more real".
The only way the Jedi could act against the chancellor was if the Chancellor broke the law, in this case maintaining emergency powers after the passage of the emergency. Mace chose violence because Palpatine resisted arrest with lethal force.
Another key reason for the CIS to form was the dissatisfaction of the furthest worlds from the Core with the Republic - which demanded taxes and support from them, but gave back little. Palpatine probably worked very hard before the spring of the war to make the Republic less and less interested in supporting those far away worlds and stir the cauldron of rebellion.
I’d say missed an opportunity to point out that the failure of the new republic was that it was really a conglomerate of many political factions that only united around the ideal of not being the opposition but when put in the seat of power and forcing out the opposition immediately degenerated into factions that hampered one another because they all in the long run had differing ideals and goals which is similar to American politics today.
The fall of the new republic was more of a writing problem than a political dilemma
We didnt saw the new republic dividing into individual factions and starting another civil war between those factions once after the empire "fell" which is very typical in an aftermath of a revolution
Instead, the new conflict that rose came from the same empire, again. Twice in fact
(Thrawn and First Order)
Ehhhh yeah and no. There wasn't a civil war per se, but in the book Star Wars: bloodline, we do see the political divisions already happening with many empire nostalgic senators starting to fund and create the first order. It's certainly was not fleshed out enough, however, and I would still agree that it's also a writing problem@@kungalexander829
Some of the New Republics fails were the result of sabotage too, like in the Thrawn Trilogy books.
@@kungalexander829 What I find funny is that now they're retroactively trying to paint it as "Oh, the problem was they allowed former Imperials in the government and that made it fail"
But if we look at history... When there's a regime change and former officials are given amnesty and allowed to still have a hand in running the country, they almost always succeed .
And almost all the countries that didn't allow any former government administrators to continue, became failed states.
@@seventh-hydra i dont understand why Dave filoni potrayed the amnesty progran as a bad thing
Wouldnt the new republic become even stronger and more competent if they let experienced imperial officials in?
The imperials that got offered amnesty doesn't seem look all that bad, they just happened to be serving the worst imperial warlord
Filoni even has to bring up that unesscary brainwashing part just to paint the new republic as evil because amnesties are actually generous and an act of forgiveness than he's trying to convey
I always found curious how, even with themes like spirituality and authoritarianism being so central to Star Wars, religious fanaticism is not really something the franchise tackles on much.
You kind of see a bit of that idea on the tenets of the Jedi order during the Prequels. Where it can be argued that if in the past there was room for separate doctrines inside the order, like most religions use to have, the more traditionalist and controlling way of thinking seems to have pushed them all out. The only way of dissenting is by leaving the order, like Dooku did.
But overall, it doesn't seem to be tackled as a main factor for their fall inside the story, beyond Anakin's personal journey. Political corruption seems to be the cause here.
Probably because their is verifiable proof of the power of both the Jedi and Sith religion as soon as you meet one. The Jedi say their power comes from their religion and then they levitate someone or something. This shows that there is something behind their faith but also hampers to many people from joining in on it as if you can’t do it then it doesn’t seem like the religion for you. At that hard to make fanaticism when there are so few that are part of any force based religion in a galaxy that has trillions of intelligent beings in it. The original EU did actually have a religious zealous order once take over the republic that was highly xenophobic. The Jedi helped stopped this religion after they had pulled away from the republic for a time.
Organized religion is a means to power. We saw what happens what a strict order of hierarchy does to a young Anakin Skywalker. He deserved what he wanted as a Jedi but it was not given to him and even when he warned the Jedi council of the evil Sith, a lot like what happens in real life with strict orders of hierarchy, their pride was too great to listen to the young Anakin and to the changes being taken place. This proved to be the downfall of the Jedi and subsequently their religious order and power along with it.
@@BleedForTheWorldorganized religions can be a means to power but are by no means the only thing they are about. Right now only one organized religion (Islam) has any overt power in the entire world over governments. Maybe Jewish but that’s only really for one country so not global. Religion is about faith belief and a shared concept of core values
@@tjmcfadden5137 I said organized religion, not the belief in the supernatural itself which is founded in religion. Organized religion is certainly a means to power - that's why the strict hierarchical structures are put in place after all.
And I think it does. We see Obi-Wan's dogmatic approach contrasted negatively with Qui-Gon's more intuitive and personal approach. The Jedi have become complacent and don't take anything seriously, neither the Sith nor Anakin nor Sidious until it's too late. Anakin doesn't get the answers he needs since, while valid, the Jedi approach isn't appropriate for him and no one knows how to teach a troubled kid. So that's why he's more willing to listen to Palpatine telling him what he wants. It's about an established orthodoxy so out of touch despite their best intentions, they wind up allowing a child to be groomed and radicalized by a fanatic who is far more convincing. We see this in religions a lot: the main body fails the marginalized so they follow fundamentalists who promise them power.
10:43 Confederacy of Indepedent Systems - Trade Federation different things
The Trade Federation is part of the CIS
Looking forward to more from this series. It's what the channel is perfectly positioned to explore given the kings and generals connection- the fun diversions of popular culture as well as the ideas they explore and the real world and history that those ideas relate to.
Fantastic stuff, keep it up. I don't normally comment on TH-cam but I know the algorithm pays attention to engagement and this is exactly what I want to see being made.
Fans today: oh interesting a video about Star Wars politics.
Adult Fans watching the prequels: *inconsolable screaming
I blame the lead on the oil
They clearly didn’t had the ability to notice the politics of the originals
Andor, Rogue One, Revenge of the Sith, and the OGs are star wars politics at its best. (Honorable mention the Clone Wars and some post endor book) A distinctly anti authoritarian theme at the end while occasionally critiquing those who aren't fascist. -- SW, especially nuCanon is one of the few franchises I've seen be so political and varied yet still positing a deliberate "right side" effectively.
Im always mystified whenever people complain about Star Wars having politics when it was made by a baby boomer who grew up in the shadow of Nixon and the Vietnam War. To say Star Wars should not have any politics in it is having a severe case of missingthepoint-itis.
Now what I will agree on is how the application of politics in Star Wars has been rather mixed. No where is that more apparent than the Prequel Trilogy, to the point that it needed an entire animated show of 7 seasons to actually explain and justify it properly.
How about now when the entire sequel trilogy needs Mandalorian and Ashoka to explain them and people started noping out of them?
They just don't like having to question their own implicit beliefs on such matters or the status quo they derive comfort from.
There's a difference between subtle allegory to politics as in the OT and PT and the overt "we're right you're wrong" politics that surround the so-called sequels.
@@spyrofrost9158 Yes, because there is nothing overt about the Empire in the OT being Nazis..
@@spyrofrost9158 the sequels have less politics in them than the prequels and especially the original trilogy 😂
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this video, it was deeply appreciated and I quite enjoyed it! I can’t wait to watch more from you all!
Cursed double cockpit Falcon at the beginning
I'm not a super Star Wars nerd but yeah it looked a bit odd to me
Simplistic inspirations for an simplistic universe. Fair.
This video is absolutely essential to understanding what Star Wars is really about. I'll have to check out the book this video was based on.
I always have this question in my mind about the Republic: Is it too big to govern? I asked this because we've seen how the Core Worlds not only failed to provide basic needs to the Outer Rim but also actively oppressing the peoples there as well. And it reached to the point that the rule of the Hutts and the rule of the Republic through the megacoporations in the Outer Rim makes little to no different. I came to this conclusion because the megacorporations basically ran the entire Outer Rim as their own fiefdoms while the Hutts and the other criminal gangs can pretty much ignoring the Republic laws and do whatever they wanted just like how those megacorporations did because the Republic cannot responded to them in time, with military or not. And during the reign of the Empire, things only got worse instead of better. So in my view, it will be for the best for the Republic to leave the territories beyond the Colonies alone and let them develop into their own galactic polities. As for how can the Republic can survived if that happened, reorganize into something similar to the Roman Empire in the aftermath of the Early Muslim conquest might be the only option. I know, I know. It means giving a lot of powers to the military governors. But to compromise, limiting who have the rights to vote is the solution to this. You know, like only the Prince-electors and the other ruling elites in the Holy Roman Empire can voted who can become the Holy Roman Emperor, of course. So giving the rights to vote only to the elites about who should become the Chancellor of the Galactic Republic will be for the best for the time being. I know that this is a big step going backward for the galactic level civilization. But I see no other choice here. As for the territories outside of the Republic, I can see the rebirth of the Hutt Empire, the Tionese Cluster and the Mandalorian Space happened once the Galactic Republic withdrawn from the territories beyond the Colonies.
You are correct, it was ridiculous to suggest that the Jedi are corrupt because they refuse to imperialistically impose their values on the backend of nowhere while acting to defeat a sith lord who had taken over the galactic government.
The whole point of the Vietnam War analogy is that Lucas thinks that the Americans had no business being there, and they should be left alone to deal with it themselves. The Iraqis were "liberated" from Saddam, and he was opposed to that too, even though I am sure he didn't support Saddam Hussein's policies.
Great video. I’m looking forward to more in the series.
However, I do have 1 big gripe with this video. The Separatists are very clearly based on the Confederacy of Independent States and the Clone Wars on the American Civil War.
Both had the acronym meaning basically the same thing (Confederacy of Independent Systems and Confederacy of Independent States) and fought for basically the same reasons. The American South was also the more rural and underdeveloped region of the country as the outer rim was the remote backwaters of the galaxy. They both believed ideologically that they were fighting for freedom and rights when in reality they were fighting to preserve the economic prosperity of a small elite.
The American south was culturally and socially different from the north and had issues with some of the more liberal ideas espoused by the Northern states (Slavery and egalitarianism generally being 2 big ones). The elites of the south, the plantation owners, fancied themselves to be the new aristocracy of the country. Despite being less than 5% of the south’s population they completely dominated politics, the economy, social trends, law, and owned nearly all the slaves (slavery also impoverished non-slave owning whites because of deflated labor costs so they basically controlled them economically too). The south had been equal politically with a slight edge over the north for most of early American history despite a widening gap in population growth and economic productivity as the north industrialized and grew its population via immigration while the south largely did not. The gap eventually did reflect in politics in the 1850s when the south started to lose influence to the north. The northern dominated federal government did pass tariffs and trade deals that clearly benefited the north by exploiting the cheap agricultural labor of the south. In addition to this northern states refused to follow federal laws such as the fugitive slave act that benefited the south. The final straw was the election of Abraham Lincoln (an abolitionist) to the presidency.
The separatist movement was made up mostly of backwater outer time worlds who felt neglected by the core world but the bulk of their resources came from the mega corporations who held all the real power (ironically very similar to the post civil war north). Like the American south many believed they were fighting for freedom and rights but it was ultimately to line the pockets of the already wealthy and expand their freedom to exploit others.
Both wars were separatist movements that began when the federal government tried to wield standard and routine powers over the separatists who responded with hostility. The reinforcing of fort Sumter and its bombardment in America and the investigation/police action by the Jedi followed by the arena battle.
The war ends with the republic winning and reunifying the nation, occupying the rebel territory, and the republic becoming a more imperial and militaristic force after the war.
Robert E. Lee and Count Dooku are former well respected teachers and leaders. Lee the top instructor at West Point and Dooku was a Jedi Master but both ended up betraying the Union because of political ideals.
Robert E. Lee and Christopher Lee are also distant cousins and both direct descendants of Charlemagne. All three look very similar. I’m pretty sure this last one is a coincidence but that’s a crazy coincidence.
Sorry I gotta be that guy....there wasn't a sepretatist movement during the battle of naboo. The invasion was an escation from the blockad by the trade federation. (Similar to the Dutch east Indian trading Co.) All purpotrated by sideous but was not a separatist attack at the time.
Armed resistance against an imperial power only works when the imperial power deems the fight too expensive to continue and withdraws. A civil war is a horse of a different colour. I assert the Galactic War was more of civil war than a rebellion.
@@Dr_Evil_Mc-Bad One could indeed argue that all internal revolutions are civil wars in a way. The Russians had the White and the Red. Vietnam had north and south, when the American's left Vietnam, the south quickly collapsed.
"It is a period of civil war." - Episode IV.
Rebellion just means opposition. The true political factions would be Imperials against the Alliance. The Alliance want a return to democracy and less central authority.
@@davidaustin5622 Pretty much puts a nail in this coffin, well done davidaustin.
Excellent video! The series are much more political than the movies, so analysing them would be interesting!
I always saw the republic of starwars a mixture of the Roman and Iranian republics.
Keep on the good work 👍
It really interesting when we look at real life inspiration or counterparts or historical events in pop culture
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She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is the true ideological successor of Star Wars.
The Princesses Alliance/Princesses Rebellion, the Galactic Horde/Galactic Empire, Catra as the quintessential tragic Sith figure and so on...
I'd love to see you cover the other more political aspects, or historical influences from Star Wars Legends. Time periods like the Pius Dea, or the Imperial Warlords Era are imo very interesting periods.
I find it funny that CIS and Rebelion are good copies of eachother with the main difference just being which one is the protagonist (i.e. which side we see the perspective on). Also it sounded like you confused the Trade Federation(which was on the both sides like all the "Big Bussinesses" of Star Wars Galay) with CIS.
The CIS was being Rebels before it was cool!
@@vectorstrikecan they really be called rebels when their leader was a Sith Lord and said sith is also controlling the republic they were rebelling against?
@@sisilotau2185 Well, they didn't know that! What matters is what they believe inside their hearts! :P
The CIS was not all that different from the Republic, but starkly different from the Rebels.
The CIS was a corporatist faction led by wealthy and powerful industrialists, who were frustrated by the Core World-centric political system of the Republic and the bureaucracy that stood in the way of them gaining more power and wealth. The primary cause of their grievances was that they felt marginalized, and to an extent that was true. But their own government developed the same problems the Republic had (these industrialists became the very corrupt bureaucracy they complained about in the Republic, and Dooku basically had total control of the Separatist Senate the same way Palpatine effectively controlled the Republic Senate). Not to mention the vast oppression of the systems they subjugated during the Clone Wars (to be fair most of this was cleverly hidden from much of the Separatist citizenry through propaganda and media control by the corrupt leadership).
None of this relates to the Rebels, with much of the leadership coming from Core World planets loyal to the Republic during the Clone Wars. Virtually none of them came from corporate backgrounds, and were dedicated to ideals of peace, diplomacy, and anti-corruption.
@@sisilotau2185do you mean count dooku or Palpatine?
I never thought I'd see a mention of the original ratchet & clank on this channel (in regards to the death star).
Part of why I think the Sequels fall so flat compared to the PT and OT is precisely because they shy so far away from having any political throughline in its message and story. It just is a generic Bad v Good with a recycled Empire. I really wish they treaded some new ground or used ideas like the Vong.
We don’t talk about the sequels. Those have no logical explanation and comparisons to the real world like the originam and prequel trilogy
Dear Wizards and Warriors, this the 180th day that I petition for a Fraggle Rock lore video.
17:00 we still talk about the sith or the jedi? or it doesn't count as manipulation if you have taken the kids right from the operating table?/jk
17:19 "Deeply commited to machismo and violence" Is that why they hide for 1000 years and scheamed in the shadow against their enemies?
I hope the next one includes a spotlight on the fantastic starwars tale of chuck buck
“He consistently opposed corporations and the prophet motive.” Sure, which is why he gave away all his profits instead of buying an estate… oops.
excellent video
I can think of at least 2 real world analogies to the CIS, however diving into them would likely lead to big political arguments (and possibly complaints from both sides of the aisle) so I understand why the channel avoided talking about them
I always thought that the Jedi were based on the Knights Templar as they were betrayed by the people they served just as the Templar’s were betrayed by the pope and the king of France.
Always laugh when Americans find out that Lucas originally based the Empire on the US.
Im gonna laugh more when they discover the rebels represent too jihadist groups.
Only loosely, as it was more of a representation of Imperialism in general.
@LuisBrito-ly1ko true, but it's a great case of "wait... are we the baddies?" whenever Lucas's original statement comes up. It's like when I tell my fellow Brits about our own colonial bullshit.
Excellent post
Next A song of ice and fire and the witcher real world inspirations.
You should do the same thing but for 40K now, please and thanks.
Good video
While people may criticise the sequels, not enough acknowledgement has been made about the direct allusions of contemporary politics of what the First Order was made about, neo-fascism and the fanboys of those fascist movements.
Can you make video about overlord novel or anime explains lore characters and world New World Kingdom like Sorcerer Kingdom & Re-Estize Kingdom & Baharuth Empire and more
Also I want be happy you explain tomb of nazarick every level what is with character
Also video about Floor Guardians and Ainz Ooal Gown (Guild) love see deep dive into character and story
Looking for you guys make video about many lights novel on future like saga of tanya the evil I love see you video 👍
This comment makes me angry, because this thought didn't come to my mind. Great idea, hope he does it.
I love to recommend my friend David Brin's attack on Yoda because it makes some people thinks. On a separate note I think gordy dickson's wolfling in some way mist have influenced the lightsaber. It was acgually cooler in that book in that it could retract into a shield like a rotella or targe and could telescope out into a thrust like a rapier or smallsword. I would love go see it get introduced to star wars someday.
Hmm no wonder. Next Stargate videos please.
@@superspies32What are you on about? Bethesda never made a game set in the Stargate universe.
@@boomerixI’m assuming he got mixed up with Starfield.
Stargate?
The intent of Bush of create s Star Wars for his own purposes?
@@superspies32and what is that game called?
@@superspies32 you're thinking of Starfield. Stargate is a film and TV franchise.
The only authoritarian regime in existence that everyone would think in the era of the O.T. was none other than the Soviet Union that you so cleverly tried to wash clean. Zero individuality, machismo (which is not such a bad thing to be honest), total militarism, strict grey officers, threatening to wipe out the world with a massive destruction weapon, a father-figure to rule them all, huge industrialism and no right to one's opinion. This is no USA in the Vietnam era but exactly what everyone thought during the Cold War of the USSR. As for the 1st Order being neo-nazis... just watch General's Hux speech and tell me that this is not a direct mention to Nurnberg and the movies of L. Riefenstahl. At least during the first movie of the sequels, in the rest of them it's just Disney chaos, nobody cares and nobody has any idea of what they tried to do with Mary Sue...
The creator of the OT said it was inspired by Vietnam.
I too don’t like the USSR and am a Reaganite, but this was about Vietnam.
For some buried Star Wars media look up the radio series they did in between films for the original trilogy
George Lucas understood that evil has to have understandable motives, and that made the Empire a great and realistic opponent to the Rebellion. Disney producers don't understand this, and they have poisoned the IP forever.
I'm sorry, but "realistic and grounded" are not the words I would use to describe Palpatine, or even Vader. They are both gloriously melodramatic, Palpie in particular.
I never really saw the republic as a democracy, looking at its voting body it had major banking conglomerates like the trade federation, it had monarchs like the queen of naboo and the king/queen of Alderaan (elected, but elected by the noble houses of those planets). So when I hear Obi-Wan and Padme going on about the sacredness of democracy I cant help but laugh.
No mention of the fact of how much Star Wars is inspired by Dune?
What are the politics of DUNE?
There is a feudal structure based around the emperor and influenced by a cult of witches who use subtle control over the human mind (basically mind tricks), prescience and control over their body to influence the galaxy. The main character is a guy that has these powers, but without knowing it is secretly the grandson of the cyborg villain of the series who works for the emperor but is the face of evil within it.
This is about history not fictional inspirations like Dune, Kurosawa, Ford, Burroughs, Flash Gordon, Buck rogers, Lord of the Rings, mythology, etc.
You don't continue thrown legends ?
I’ve always found the comparison of the Empire as America and the Rebellion as the Viet Cong to be rather flawed. Like for one America didn’t rule over North Vietnam, or any of Vietnam, that was the French. For two the Vietnam War obviously wasn’t black and white, I mean the North Vietnam regularly took the Geneva conventions and wiped their ass with it, mistreating prisoners as a rule and putting noncombatants in danger, and yeah the South guy sucked so hard even America was like “yeah he’s gotta go.” And for three America was just literally fighting the war for the South to help them take all Vietnam, which was the exact same thing the Viet Cong did practically 5 minutes after America took a hike and the truce was finished.
If it were to be an analogy including America as the Empire then I’d say America and the Natives would be a better analogy
I remember someone said when they saw Darth Vader for the first time they remarked "Oh...a Nazi in space" And the confederation of systems inspiration? Obvious isn't it? The American Civil war. The confederate states
Darth Vader is a samurai, nazis didn’t wesred masks.
The nazis are the officials.
@@adamnesico But notice Vaders Helmet
@@Phenom24uk Samurai.
@@adamnesico Actually yer right. My bad
I see the Death Star and those alike as the nuclear weapons of our world.
Do the Clone Wars🙏🏻
現在星戰已經不只是美國金錢主義 還有中共政府的民族主義 新法西斯是已經成為了中共CCP的代名詞
While everything in this video was great, I kinda missed the obvious parallels between the Weimar and the Galactic Republic being pointed out.
I'd say most of its inspiration cane from Dune.
From the time Disney took STAR WARS, most contancts are from average to low quality.
Come on how did you miss at 4 minutes George Lucas says in that interview in explicit terms the rebels can be viewed as the Vietcong fighters and empire obviously being the American war machine
星際大戰出現了極權主義參考讓我想到當年台灣國民黨政府白色恐怖時期以及六四天安門和香港反送中 對抗中共政府ccp 百姓們對抗黨政威脅奪回自由
Love your guys' videos.
I know you kind of touched on it, but while Disney may claim to not explicitly include politics in their work you gotta be very naive if you don't think there isn't a load of progressive leftist ideology included in their works over the past decade or so. Their own employees have stated as much in interviews; the biggest one that comes to mind for me is the woman going on about her "not so secret gay agenda." It doesn't even matter whether you support that or not, the fact remains it's happening and that is why there's been such a push back against their recent work (and why so many have flopped). Heck the company themselves, to say nothing of their employees, lost it over the FL governor's signing that legislation in 2022. If you (I'm NOT necessarily speaking to W&W, just generally) think that ideology doesn't make it into their work... LOL.
One other thing I find funny is the right, like GWB, is frequently compared to authoritarianism by people who support politics that are way more authoritarian. These people want you fired or your kids taken away or your bank account frozen for not taking an experimental shot, lose it if they can't hang pride flags on their classrooms or a truck burns rubber over a pride flag painted on asphalt, want political opponents censored (don't you dare talk about the most free and secure election of all time), etc. They're supposed to be so open minded but I see anything but that from that side. Heck they eat their own if someone even slightly veers from their orthodoxy. Self-awareness and self-reflection are good things, is all I'm saying.
Hey mate. I mean this in a friendly way, but you speak about self awareness and reflection while going into a “gay agenda” and conspiracy rabbit hole on a Star Wars video. With love, maybe it’s time to reflect on those views to see if they are serving you well. There is a great focus on these “issues” among conservatives in America, which I find deeply disturbing. Your cost of living, your medical bills, your freedom of speech and protest are all being slowly stripped away and they’ve got you focusing on… gay people? Youre obviously not an idiot, so I don’t mean to patronise you. But maybe reconsider your allegiance to those who tell you the issues are wokeness and gay people rather than your quality of life and human rights. Cheers
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I find it interesting that the documentary claims the North Vietnamese were democratic- historically that couldn't be further from the truth
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George Lucas is a weeb?
Today's homework: define fascism without referring to 1960s hippy Boomerlib verbiage. Bonus points: define why fascism was worse for a group of people than a "people's republic" communistic style government.
I mean, I consider murdering millions of people because of their parents kind of a bad thing, personally.
Every “communist” government thus far has been just as fascist as Franco or Mussolini. Utterly authoritarian? Check. Cult of personality? Check. Ideal of leader as “people’s will”? Check. Elimination of all restraints on state power? Check. Overwhelmingly militarized? Check. Paranoia of the ill-defined “other”? Check. State authority was equally unrestricted and equally arbitrary in both systems. At the end of the day, the only difference was who owned the factories: private businesses or the state.
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Hard pass on this.
Disney is shying away from politics? Blackwashing and gender swapping and alphabet club wedging is all Disney is about now a days.
It’s not because Disney cares about the the lgbtq or poc community or any of that politics, all those are cash grabs in order to try to get attention and thus more people who may watch the their movies or shows
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"Disney shies away from politics in its properties"
And you lost me. Fact check false.
Political bias ruined what could have been a brilliant video and usually your videos are great. What about the Samurai and the Jedi influence?
Star Wars is an incredibly political saga. It’s impossible to not have political bias when Star Wars itself is anti-American.
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But mostly it's based in heroic fairytales, not allegory.
As I delve deeper into the Star Wars prequel trilogy, I can't shake the feeling that there are profound parallels with the ancient conflicts between Carthage and Rome, famously known as the Punic Wars. It's almost as if George Lucas drew inspiration from these historical events to construct the narrative of the Galactic Republic and the Separatists.
In both stories, I see a grand struggle for power and dominance, echoing the territorial ambitions and political rivalries that drove the Punic Wars. The Republic, much like Rome, stands as a bastion of authority and order, while the Separatists, reminiscent of Carthage, represent a dissenting faction seeking to carve out their own realm.
Economic interests and control over trade routes emerge as crucial points of contention, propelling the conflict forward and shaping the alliances and strategies of the opposing sides. Just as Carthage and Rome fought bitterly over key trade routes in the Mediterranean, so too do the Republic and the Separatists vie for supremacy in the galaxy's hyperspace lanes.
Moreover, the rise of charismatic leaders manipulating events from the shadows adds a layer of complexity to both narratives. The cunning machinations of figures like Palpatine and Darth Sidious bear an uncanny resemblance to the strategic brilliance of Hannibal Barca, who sought to outmaneuver his Roman foes during the Punic Wars.
In essence, these parallels between the Punic Wars and the Star Wars prequel trilogy deepen my appreciation for the timeless themes of power, politics, and conflict. It's almost as if Lucas tapped into the essence of ancient history to craft a narrative that transcends both time and space, resonating with audiences through its universal truths and compelling storytelling.
"The Republic, much like Rome, stands as a bastion of authority and order, while the Separatists, reminiscent of Carthage, represent a dissenting faction seeking to carve out their own realm."
The problem with this line is that Carthage was the established regional power and Rome was trying to carve out their own realm by the time of the First Punic War.
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I don't doubt that George Lucas is a leftie, but I guess everybody chooses what they want to see in star wars. I always thought there was mostly a liberal story behind star wars and I'm not talking necessarily of leftwing liberalism, but I do can believe that the sequels were based on a very leftwing woke vision of the world even if I think it is completely ignorant of reality. Maybe this is the reason behind its and Disney's overall failure with the franchise. Because it's not like any leftwing ideologues or factions introduce authoritarianism or dictatorships.
Star Wars is supposed to be anti-American imperialism. The empire is based on America. The republic is based on Americans smaller enemies like Iraq and Vietnam.
The sequels did poorly because they were bad as movies. Not sure what could be considered woke in Star Wars?
Lol, the Rebels are commies... No wonder I loved Darth Vadar.
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Okay Grandpa, time for bed.
Another ignorant whipper snapper. You know nothing "garlicPudin"@@GarlicPudding
Did you bitch and moan with the rest of them when the sequels made it obvious the bad guys were nazis?
Can we PLEASE stop oversimplifying Vietnam the Vietnamese were inspired to fight by the USA.
Can we not take a science fiction movie and make it so serious? @@noahorakwue2653
Disney not being overtly political? thumbs down for this video.
Try to read what he said
@@antonsokolov1771 Disney is at the front line of this culture war with Iger being a 5 star general.
Remember their stance at the parental right bill in florida? They try to influence politics so he is wrong about them not being overtly political.
Let me guess: “they’re erasing history.”
But remember that Star wars was never political lmao
Its Socialist my friend.
I'd rather see politics of the Vong war analyzed from the perspectice of 9/11 than analyzing the empty sequels.
How would that even work. The Vong were genocidal conquers who attacked the Galaxy. Its not even close to 9/11.
@@AsymmetricalCrimesYeah, it's expanded universe. The point of the Vong was to excuse Palpatine's imperialism. Which doesn't work cuz the Emperor is pure evil and the Vong are just a caricature out of the Hellraiser movies.
First time i ever gave one of your videos a thumbs down.
This video seems beyond your scope.
He based it on a book.
Is this made by AI?
No. The art, script, and narration are all done by the Kings and Generals team, if not here as well. The narrator's name is Devin.
Well... that was certainly a grotesquely blatant display of America-bashing. At least it was honest in its opinion, greatly flawed though it is. I can give that much credit, certainly. Pity, I've loved this channel up until now.
But it is true. Lucas is a rich leftie. And the writers and directors of modern Star Wars lean left-liberal. Spielberg, Lucas' friend, nowadays makes movies with Tony Kushner. While cashing some good Dreamworks' cheques.
@@PurpleWarlock What's also true is that the Rebellion was clearly inspired by the American Revolution.
Ironic that a channel host that claims to hate Russia so much spent this entire video slobbing on the knob of the Soviet Empire.
@@The_J0ker29 I mean, he used a book on analysis of Star Wars. Lucas has said SW was inspired by Vietnam. Americans are not exactly a good influence. Tho there is irony. It is usually saving the galaxy. Not alíen.
But makeup is expensive.
who cares anymore, starwars has been killed
So far left revolutionary groups like mugabes or castros dont have infighting and factionalism? Okay.