I too grew up playing D&D, going back to the monochrome blue boxed set (1980-era). I quit when 4e came out. We didn’t care if there were men and women in it. Why do they think this is important? No one cared because we made our own characters however we wanted to.
my brother in christ, if people truly did not care, there wouldnt be ENTIRE TH-cam CAREERS BUILT OVER CRYING ABOUT MUH STRAIGHT WHILE MALE BEING ERASED
3:10 So, they decided to poison the well by insinuating that any criticism of this decision would come from certain 'horrible' corners of the internet? They might as well have said "If you disagree with us, you're an incel."
Also a woman, and one who generally agrees that representation is important and stuff like this just upsets me. It makes us who want representation look like clowns and degrades our position, AND erases our presence in the media! It's bull!! Ugh. Just make a Tasha's mini for gods' sake.
Well, glad the artist cleared it up. I've been flip-floping between a man and a woman for 30 something years. Either answer would have been good by me. Muscly woman, less bulky man, gender neutral person, didn't really put much thought to it either way.
Its sad to see the antagonistic way that companies approach this sort of thing, rather than celebrating actually good characters for who they are they target the pieces of the world that dont fit their modern narrative as if a fantasy world needs to match up with the 21st century political landscape. Also funny you mention Call of Cthulhu, I've been running games of it for about a decade now and highly recommend it, nowadays i mostly run it online given that i work and live remote but still regularly play on my sunday mornings with a small group.
I do get that it can be frustrating that media created a few decades ago includes a lot of people who may not look like many modern fans, but is retconning the way to go? Why not celebrate the existing iconic women of DnD like Cattie-Brie?
I would contend these type of changes are being done out of an abundance of spite rather than laziness. Sure, the latter describes modern Millennial/Gen Z "creatives" in these multinational entertainment companies quite accurately in terms of their output's originality but it is malice (so directly antagonistic to those of us individualists) attendant with their deep-seeded collectivist ideology that drives them.
They could also have just done two. They've done that with other minis. I mean, honestly I don't care, to call the figure in the picture a character is kind of overselling them, that dude (iconic though it might be) is more of a concept than a real character. But, I also get why people are annoyed, this smacks of the sort of ginning up controversy and playing to some nebulous demographic that has become all too common with Hasbro's decisions. I'd prefer it as an action figure anyways lol.
6:40 yeah while nothing of the art points towards the character being a woman, nothing also points towards it being a man, I guess other than if you want to get gender prescriptive with macules and aggression. The character as seen in the art is very agender, yes the artist said when painting they envisioned a man but art is not something the artist can cast down correct interpretations of, only their interpretation.
. Thanks to Disney's Candle scuffles... starwars, I, along with many others, have decided Canon is what the Majority Fans accept. Because if goes against the lore, the damn thing blows up and kills everyone around it. The media will continue to try to push it, but WE The People, say, "NO! Not Gonna Happen."
This is a blatant lie by WizKids and whoever approved this "new information". There are only 3 characters in the old Red Box. The Player Character: a Male Warrior, one friendly NPC, a Female Cleric, and one enemy NPC, a Male Magic User. Male Warrior. Sure the ART didn't make it obvious at first glance, but the text of the adventure did. (And yeah the adventure had no dragon, but why would the hero on the cover be someone completely unrelated?) This is very plain and clear in the text. This isn't "new information" being "revealed", this is just a new character altogether. I love my female minis and characters as much as my male ones, but I hate when people lie. Just make an Aleena mini, WizKids. JUSTICE FOR ALEENA! In any case, WizKids mins are expensive, and I never buy them. You want good minis for a good price without any BS, go Reaper. And if you want homebrew, stay away from D&D Beyond, because they're getting rid of that. As for female custodes, the outrage is ridiculous. The 40k lore never said those were male only, it's just that the minis were not made with obvious boob armor like the Sororitas, therefore everyone assumed they were all males, and the 40k fanbase is among the most toxic fanbases out there. If you even suggest something not in their precious books you get instantly treated like a leper in the middle ages. I had a Black Templar army back in the day. By the book, those guys were split up into several Crusades, meaning their numbers were far above the prescribed 1000 marines, so I went and invented my own Crusade for my army. Big mistake, apparently. Hope you find a good Call of Cthulhu game, I don't play that myself or I'd invite you.
I mean….those hips definitely look feminine. I can see the issue here if they didn’t consult with the artist though. Plenty of options they could have gone with, but I can see how without talking to the original artist it could have been viewed as a female warrior, it’s just perspective and interpretation.
@@rcgunner7086 read my statement again… “I can see the issue if they didn’t consult with the original artist” meaning they did not speak to or ask for input from the original artist.
@@FoundationalDD-eb8qmsorry, goofus. No one has ever been confused about the gender of the character in the painting. Feminine hips my ass. People like you are pretending to be confused about the gender of the character in the painting. They’re free to “reimagine” the warrior in that painting as female if they want to. No one cares. There have been countless female warrior characters in D&D over the last 50 years. What people DO care about is being gaslit about reality. I’ve seen “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia” all over comments sections on this, and that sums it up.
This article is written by someone who most likely doesn't know what D&D is and probably thinks Warhammer 40k is an edition of D&D. You missing WOTC's point, white men especially straight white men need to be erased from the game. They said as much over the past few years. It is not about inclusion it is about pushing ideology and agendas and removal of perceived enemies.
My best advice. Stay on topic. Title VS content. Love your voice. Zoned out and slept through most of your last viseo. It was meditative... But don't think that's what your aiming for and I wasn't you to succeed.
"New info" about an old character, either gay or a woman. ... woman. Classic. It's a fucking trop now. Get some new materia (wokersters)l, it's boring.
I'm going to be blunt. Does this "It's a Man, baby"/"It's a Woman, baby" talk really fucking matter? I was 13 in 1985 when I owned both the red and black box sets for D&D. Back then, I thought the dragon fighting barbarian was a man. To be bluntly honest, I really didn't give it that much thought. It didn't matter back then, and it doesn't matter now. It could have been a man. It could have been a woman. The original artist may have intended it to be a man or a woman, and now WotC and/or one of its contracted partners may have intended to relabel the gender. You know what? This does not change my life in once microscopic bit. And it has zero impact on the rest of you. And if you're one of the people who's getting their panties in a bind over the gender of this character in 40+ year old art, YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE! It does not matter if this is a man or woman or an owlbear. And anyone telling you otherwise is only trying to manipulate your outrage for their benefit.
@@TheAbysmalCritic I care that people are spending so much time and energy weaponizing something that doesn't matter. I care that if you try to ignore the idiotic nature of this weaponism, you get accused of being part of some "nebulous and invisible enemy". I care that the people who are creating these false arguments are doing it to deliberately hurt people. I care that the people who are creating these false arguments are also doing it to divide us and make us fight each other, partly to control us through hate, fear, and paranoia, and partly as a distraction from whatever else they're doing that they don't want us to see what they're doing. I care that these arguments are just a toe into the waters of dehumanizing people as a justification for worse actions and behaviors. When I said I don't care if the character on the box art is male or female, it doesn't mean it isn't touching something that I do care about. I mean to say it really doesn't matter if the character is male or female and I don't care what the official answer is. I care that people are making an issue for both camps of "I'm afraid of The Woke and must do everything I can to defeat them" and "Everything is a fight about Gender so I have to code everything in that fight to get people on my side." It's art. TSR (the company who contracted the artist for the box) nor the artist has ever made a public statement about the character, let alone the character's gender. And bickering over the character's gender is just utter insanity, but insanity so many people are getting invested in and using to hurt other people. THAT IS WHAT I CARE ABOUT! So I flip the question back on you. What made you feel that you had to post something to try and rub my nose in all of this? After all, I doubt you really said it in any context other than to be mean and cruel for a quick jab to make you feel better about yourself.
This is a real nothing burger. The character was anonymous, had no name, gender or even class, it was just a cool person fighting a dragon. Wizards of the Coast, probably just trying to score brownie points, made the character a woman. Honestly, there's nothing gendered about this character, so what they should have done is made them non-binary.
People are tired of being gaslit by weirdos. “That painting of a man fighting a dragon that you’ve seen for 40 years? You know the one, right? Turns out It’S a WoMaN! Waddaya think of that? Huh? It’s been a woman this whole time!” No it hasn’t. STFU.
You’re exactly why they’re doing this. They’re hoping to activate the Twitter weirdos who don’t buy their products but will maybe do so as a political statement. No one gives a shit about female warriors. They don’t enjoy people lying to them about an obvious thing that they’ve been looking at for 40 years.
I too grew up playing D&D, going back to the monochrome blue boxed set (1980-era). I quit when 4e came out. We didn’t care if there were men and women in it. Why do they think this is important? No one cared because we made our own characters however we wanted to.
my brother in christ, if people truly did not care, there wouldnt be ENTIRE TH-cam CAREERS BUILT OVER CRYING ABOUT MUH STRAIGHT WHILE MALE BEING ERASED
3:10 So, they decided to poison the well by insinuating that any criticism of this decision would come from certain 'horrible' corners of the internet?
They might as well have said "If you disagree with us, you're an incel."
Also a woman, and one who generally agrees that representation is important and stuff like this just upsets me. It makes us who want representation look like clowns and degrades our position, AND erases our presence in the media! It's bull!! Ugh. Just make a Tasha's mini for gods' sake.
They want to piss people off. There’s no other reason not to use an existing character.
Bingo.
Especially when there are so many good ones. Dragonlance for sure had some great female characters.
Well, glad the artist cleared it up. I've been flip-floping between a man and a woman for 30 something years. Either answer would have been good by me. Muscly woman, less bulky man, gender neutral person, didn't really put much thought to it either way.
Its sad to see the antagonistic way that companies approach this sort of thing, rather than celebrating actually good characters for who they are they target the pieces of the world that dont fit their modern narrative as if a fantasy world needs to match up with the 21st century political landscape.
Also funny you mention Call of Cthulhu, I've been running games of it for about a decade now and highly recommend it, nowadays i mostly run it online given that i work and live remote but still regularly play on my sunday mornings with a small group.
I do get that it can be frustrating that media created a few decades ago includes a lot of people who may not look like many modern fans, but is retconning the way to go? Why not celebrate the existing iconic women of DnD like Cattie-Brie?
There are tons of art depicting lots of different people from the 80s. It has never been about inclusion.
Remember, this is like the Eve/Aphrodite thing. Eve from Stellar Blade wasn't made by people who expressly and publicly share the same beliefs and sympathies as the jurnos, thus it's "for bad people©️™️". Aphrodite in the new Hades 2 game, however, was made by "the good guys" because of shared sympathies and beliefs. It's therefore approved and lauded, even if it's contradictory to hold the same traits against Eve that are approved on Aphrodite.
In short, Aphrodite is allowed to be sexy and provocative because "the good guys©️™️" were responsible for that depiction. Eve was not and will then be held up as backwards and degrading.
@@ChimeraArchive Aphrodite from HaDEIs 2 is a man, that is the only reason why they applaud the nudity.
I would contend these type of changes are being done out of an abundance of spite rather than laziness. Sure, the latter describes modern Millennial/Gen Z "creatives" in these multinational entertainment companies quite accurately in terms of their output's originality but it is malice (so directly antagonistic to those of us individualists) attendant with their deep-seeded collectivist ideology that drives them.
They could also have just done two. They've done that with other minis. I mean, honestly I don't care, to call the figure in the picture a character is kind of overselling them, that dude (iconic though it might be) is more of a concept than a real character. But, I also get why people are annoyed, this smacks of the sort of ginning up controversy and playing to some nebulous demographic that has become all too common with Hasbro's decisions.
I'd prefer it as an action figure anyways lol.
One of your best video.
6:40 yeah while nothing of the art points towards the character being a woman, nothing also points towards it being a man, I guess other than if you want to get gender prescriptive with macules and aggression. The character as seen in the art is very agender, yes the artist said when painting they envisioned a man but art is not something the artist can cast down correct interpretations of, only their interpretation.
. Thanks to Disney's Candle scuffles... starwars, I, along with many others, have decided Canon is what the Majority Fans accept. Because if goes against the lore, the damn thing blows up and kills everyone around it. The media will continue to try to push it, but WE The People, say, "NO! Not Gonna Happen."
This is a blatant lie by WizKids and whoever approved this "new information". There are only 3 characters in the old Red Box.
The Player Character: a Male Warrior, one friendly NPC, a Female Cleric, and one enemy NPC, a Male Magic User.
Male Warrior. Sure the ART didn't make it obvious at first glance, but the text of the adventure did. (And yeah the adventure had no dragon, but why would the hero on the cover be someone completely unrelated?) This is very plain and clear in the text. This isn't "new information" being "revealed", this is just a new character altogether.
I love my female minis and characters as much as my male ones, but I hate when people lie.
Just make an Aleena mini, WizKids. JUSTICE FOR ALEENA!
In any case, WizKids mins are expensive, and I never buy them. You want good minis for a good price without any BS, go Reaper.
And if you want homebrew, stay away from D&D Beyond, because they're getting rid of that.
As for female custodes, the outrage is ridiculous. The 40k lore never said those were male only, it's just that the minis were not made with obvious boob armor like the Sororitas, therefore everyone assumed they were all males, and the 40k fanbase is among the most toxic fanbases out there. If you even suggest something not in their precious books you get instantly treated like a leper in the middle ages.
I had a Black Templar army back in the day. By the book, those guys were split up into several Crusades, meaning their numbers were far above the prescribed 1000 marines, so I went and invented my own Crusade for my army. Big mistake, apparently.
Hope you find a good Call of Cthulhu game, I don't play that myself or I'd invite you.
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I mean….those hips definitely look feminine. I can see the issue here if they didn’t consult with the artist though. Plenty of options they could have gone with, but I can see how without talking to the original artist it could have been viewed as a female warrior, it’s just perspective and interpretation.
It was done by Larry Elmore. He has a specific style and his women don't look like that. I'd know, I grew up with his art, and he's said as much.
@@rcgunner7086 read my statement again… “I can see the issue if they didn’t consult with the original artist” meaning they did not speak to or ask for input from the original artist.
@@FoundationalDD-eb8qmsorry, goofus. No one has ever been confused about the gender of the character in the painting. Feminine hips my ass. People like you are pretending to be confused about the gender of the character in the painting.
They’re free to “reimagine” the warrior in that painting as female if they want to. No one cares. There have been countless female warrior characters in D&D over the last 50 years. What people DO care about is being gaslit about reality. I’ve seen “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia” all over comments sections on this, and that sums it up.
This article is written by someone who most likely doesn't know what D&D is and probably thinks Warhammer 40k is an edition of D&D. You missing WOTC's point, white men especially straight white men need to be erased from the game. They said as much over the past few years. It is not about inclusion it is about pushing ideology and agendas and removal of perceived enemies.
I see image as presented as ambiguous.
My best advice. Stay on topic. Title VS content. Love your voice. Zoned out and slept through most of your last viseo. It was meditative... But don't think that's what your aiming for and I wasn't you to succeed.
"New info" about an old character, either gay or a woman. ... woman. Classic. It's a fucking trop now. Get some new materia (wokersters)l, it's boring.
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I'm going to be blunt. Does this "It's a Man, baby"/"It's a Woman, baby" talk really fucking matter? I was 13 in 1985 when I owned both the red and black box sets for D&D. Back then, I thought the dragon fighting barbarian was a man. To be bluntly honest, I really didn't give it that much thought. It didn't matter back then, and it doesn't matter now. It could have been a man. It could have been a woman. The original artist may have intended it to be a man or a woman, and now WotC and/or one of its contracted partners may have intended to relabel the gender. You know what? This does not change my life in once microscopic bit. And it has zero impact on the rest of you. And if you're one of the people who's getting their panties in a bind over the gender of this character in 40+ year old art, YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE! It does not matter if this is a man or woman or an owlbear. And anyone telling you otherwise is only trying to manipulate your outrage for their benefit.
You're spending an awful lot of time telling people you don't care for someone who doesn't care.
@@TheAbysmalCritic I care that people are spending so much time and energy weaponizing something that doesn't matter. I care that if you try to ignore the idiotic nature of this weaponism, you get accused of being part of some "nebulous and invisible enemy". I care that the people who are creating these false arguments are doing it to deliberately hurt people. I care that the people who are creating these false arguments are also doing it to divide us and make us fight each other, partly to control us through hate, fear, and paranoia, and partly as a distraction from whatever else they're doing that they don't want us to see what they're doing. I care that these arguments are just a toe into the waters of dehumanizing people as a justification for worse actions and behaviors.
When I said I don't care if the character on the box art is male or female, it doesn't mean it isn't touching something that I do care about. I mean to say it really doesn't matter if the character is male or female and I don't care what the official answer is. I care that people are making an issue for both camps of "I'm afraid of The Woke and must do everything I can to defeat them" and "Everything is a fight about Gender so I have to code everything in that fight to get people on my side." It's art. TSR (the company who contracted the artist for the box) nor the artist has ever made a public statement about the character, let alone the character's gender. And bickering over the character's gender is just utter insanity, but insanity so many people are getting invested in and using to hurt other people. THAT IS WHAT I CARE ABOUT!
So I flip the question back on you. What made you feel that you had to post something to try and rub my nose in all of this? After all, I doubt you really said it in any context other than to be mean and cruel for a quick jab to make you feel better about yourself.
This is a real nothing burger. The character was anonymous, had no name, gender or even class, it was just a cool person fighting a dragon. Wizards of the Coast, probably just trying to score brownie points, made the character a woman. Honestly, there's nothing gendered about this character, so what they should have done is made them non-binary.
People are tired of being gaslit by weirdos. “That painting of a man fighting a dragon that you’ve seen for 40 years? You know the one, right? Turns out It’S a WoMaN! Waddaya think of that? Huh? It’s been a woman this whole time!”
No it hasn’t. STFU.
I am determined to buy said figure
Now, since it bothers everyone so much
The mini itself doesn't bother anyone, I think.
It's the stupidity of the statement that came with it that does.
Spend your money however you like.
You’re exactly why they’re doing this. They’re hoping to activate the Twitter weirdos who don’t buy their products but will maybe do so as a political statement.
No one gives a shit about female warriors. They don’t enjoy people lying to them about an obvious thing that they’ve been looking at for 40 years.
That was always allowed.
the american civil culture war is so annoying, boring, outdated. Could you keep this stuff in the us-intranet, not on internationally aviable sites?
Your comment is so annoying, boring, pointless. Could you keep your thoughts to yourself, not on the publicly available comment section?