The questions asked in the manga are about humanity, and what it is. If you are almost all machine, are you still human, if you are mostly organic but have a mechanical brain, are you a human then? If you all organic but have no humanity, are you human? If you are all machine but have compasion and humanity, are you a human now? There are more questions asked and themes explored, the more you dive into the story. The movie was VERY condensed, and perhaps some things are somewhat heavy handed, but seeing Alita in live action was worth it. (PS. The Manga is VERY popular and infuential)
Ghost in the Shell asked the same questions. Some of it is Ship of Theseus philosophy. If you have no original parts of yourself left, are you still you, or a completely new person? Is your soul part of you? Does the soul exist? Etc.
This is a question much older than you may think. I am a Christian (Pentecostal), with a 'classical education' - But ignore that for a moment. Consider, biblically Adam and Eve were the first two *humans.* But when they left Eden there were others. God defined human as "body", "soul", "spirit" _(the mind is the non corporeal part of the body)._ Since God imparted the "spirit" into Adam and Eve that made them _complete_ "humans" in His eyes. Anyone else, like those outside of Eden, were "Body" and "Soul" and in Gods eyes were not fully complete at that time. So the idea of defining what is, and what is not "human" is a very, very old one. _Peace._ _(BTW, I personally have no issues with evolution, but that is not the topic here.)_
Fun fact - The director, Robert Rodriguez, makes his own chocolate. There's a "making-of" video out there where he shows how he does it. The chocolate bar Alita tries in the market is one of his.
@@meadmaker4525 I have always wondered how many takes it took to get that one scene right. I Just imagine Robert Rodriguez pleading with Rosa. just get it correct it's the very last bar. 🤣🤣
The reason why there's so much lore and world building is that the Manga it's based on was pretty substantial, with several spin-offs and sequels, so they had a lot to work with.
9:48: that’s how her face is in the manga. This was James Cameron’s first attempt at making a live action film adaptation of a manga/anime; which was something he always wanted to do. They are legitimately trying to live action the hand drawn animation style of a manga/anime character, which is why Alita specifically looks so weird but good-- the anime character design troupe you know, the large eyes, heart shaped/cat shaped face(for female characters)…it was a deliberate artistic and aesthetic style choice for Alita character design true as possible to the character
It doesn't make sense. If they wanted to follow the japanese art style where the eyes are an important part of the character's personality - then why didn't they make small and big eyes for everyone? In manga and anime it only works because all characters have a similar style, so huge or tiny eyes do not stand out. But here she's the only one with such deformed eyes and it doesn't make any sense. It looks pointless and superfluous.
@@wakkadakka9192 because in the Manga she's specifically described as Doll like, as if her specific anime eyes are notable and exceptional in her context. In the movie this ends up working to hint that she is indeed URM/Martian, with the explanation being that these proportions are common for Martians, probably because of genetic adaptation to less light and gravity.
@@ravissary79 that doesn't hold up when there are a lot of other characters with very similar characteristics (e.g. large eyes) which do not get exemplified in any other character; Ido is supposed to have this gigantic chin but Waltz's looks pretty normal. There are means by which you can showcase a 'doll-like' characteristic and IIRC the director went this direction specifically because he wanted to emulate the large eyes of the manga, which again doesn't float well because she's the only one who has them. Robotic parts don't evolve to adapt to light and gravity, her entire body aside from her brain is synthetic and manufactured so there's zero reason why she should have large eyes because of an environmental adaptation.
@cobaltplasma it holds up perfectly fine if you paid attention to what i said about her being doll-like. You're confusing drawn style with in-universe reality. In the Manga, Ido is a normal human, not a chin mutant. He has a big chin because Manga isn't drawn with slavishly untra realistic faces. So go by the WORDS is something us exceptional. No one is the story acts like Ido is exceptional looking except his forehead symbol (not in the movie). But people DO react to Alita. And like i said, she ISN'T normal in the plot either: she's a Martian total body replacement cyborg. This means there's room for interpretation fir how much of her stylized look can be depicted in a less mundane way in "live action". Thos allowed Cameron to play with the idea tgat her distinctive visual style could be appropriated in live action with the in-universe explanation of her origins as the reason. And no, she's not the only character with an abnormal face. Both the mantis-blade armed murderer and Gruishka, both have highly misshapen faces due to augmentation. And in the case of Zapan, it's hinted that this isn't a natural face either, as she says he spends on his money on his face. When she cuts his face off its clear that underneath it was am almost totally cyborg skeletal structure with a fleshy tongue but covered in a high quality life-like face. Essentially he payed a lot to look normal. For the sake of cost vs technology, it doesn't make sense to mocap half of the cast if prosthetics will do. It means only she and her former comrades in flashbacks needed to be mocapped in this specific way. (Though obviously, Gruishka was as well). Ultimately it aids the world building to utilize the Manga style in this way.
The interesting trivia bit you didn't get....Cameron had the rights to Alita for decades but he didn't want to make it until the tech was right to do it justice, we got Avatar as his proof of concept for the tech he wanted to use for Alita
During all that time spent not doing it he instead for some reason also made a TV-series with Jessica Alba that was even more loosely based on this story.
This movie surprised the hell out of me with how good it is. The fact that Ed Skrein is in it as a villain is pretty awesome. especially after seeing him in the first Deadpool movie as the main villain, Ajax AKA Francis.
As a long time fan of the manga I'm so happy we got this movie. It's not perfect and we might never get a sequel but some love for Alita is always nice.
Gotta say it was surprising it was even as good as it was. Considering Hollywoods very bad history of adapting Manga or pretty much anything from Japan entertainment media into an American film
@@shadowphoenix1696 Yeah, I was shocked by how great a movie it is! Considering that, yes, you're right, there is a LONG LIST of horribly adapted movies/TV shows that try so hard to "Americanize" Japanese comic lore (Netflix's godawful "Cowboy Bebop" adaptation is only the most recent). James Cameron is definitely a different sort of breed from other Hollywood creators.
They are being worked on still, AFAIK the last thing Cameron and Rodreguiz have said is that the script(s) are done and they are going to be made still. The last news was in March of this year if I remember.
I saw in an interview or something that James Cameron really loves that franchise and he'll definitely make more, I hope he does coz I really enjoyed this film
Same!! I am a HUGE Alita fan! 😁😉 And yk, just wondering... Lita (that's what I call her for short) and Gamora from _Galaxy Guardians_ should fight! (Plus even Nebula too) or Jayla from *Star Trek Beyond* What do you think? Who would win??
A great reason for the face of Alita being slightly off is to help maintain that 'uncanny valley' feeling that makes you question her humanity. Along with being more true to the source material. It does work really well in maintaining that feel of alienness
I don't think I ever really questioned her humanity. She's way too sweet for that. lol The uncanny valley vibe was gone pretty quickly too, probably also thanks to her wholesome character and her actresses work.
It made $400 million on a budget of between $150 and $200 million. After advertising and the theaters' take, it probably didn't break even. If it had a made a billion, we would have had two sequels by now.
Yeah, sadly it was not a commercial success. I don't know exactly why. I enjoyed it quite a bit. It did suffer a bit from that whole setting-up-another-movie thing. That so rarely works. If you want a franchise you need to complete one story in full with a satisfying ending, and then leave open the possibility of more. Imagine if in Star Wars, they didn't blow up the Death Star and have the medal awarding ceremony at the end, but ended it with Luke taking off from the moon in his X-Wing instead. That's basically what they did here.
@@fakecubed I think it's more to do with her eyes. Before the movie came out, the majority of what I heard people talk about was how her eyes freaked them out. Not enough people went to see it to make it worth making another.
This movie was awesome, especially for a live-action adaptation of the popular manga but most importantly the way they made Rosa Salazar look like Alita from the Manga was perfect!
Fun fact: This movie actually began when Guillermo Del Toro showed his friend James Cameron the manga for Battle Angel Alita. (Both met in Del Toro's directorial debut "Cronos" and Cameron helped with a ransom when Del Toro's father was kidnapped in 1997. Yes this happened). James Cameron was so enamored by this manga, he began development for a film Avatar, which would be a testing ground to create a belivable cgi character & world. (Yes. The Avatar movie series wouldnt exist without Alita.) Of course Cameron would step down as director being too busy with his Avatar film series, but was still determined to have the film completed. He would then pass the reigns to Robert Rodriguez and continue Alita as its producer. As Nostalgia Critic put it, its ironic, a film director known for his huge budget films and large sets, collaborated with a director who made lower budget films in his garage.
too bad he left the movie to someone else and they fucked up hard, the movie is nearly an insult to the manga, so much cut content and so many ruined characters
Yeah same. I've never read the manga before either, but the movie is AWESOME!!!! 😃😁😉😆 Also, interesting thought... who would win a one-on-one combat battle duel between: *manga Alita* vs. *comic books Gamora* Who would win?? Or maybe just both Alita vs. Gamora in movies perhaps?
So glad you two reacted to this, one of my favorite movies. Simone looks awesome as Alita. :D Reading the comments, people have said most of what I was going to say anyway. Thank god for good people with more time than me.
Yeah! She's mine too!! 😁😁😁 Yk, I was thinking... what if Alita got to fight either Gamora, Nebula, Sara Lance, or Jayla from *Star Trek Beyond* if she were in a one-on-one combat battle duel?? Who would win??
Love this movie. Few things in movies has made me tear up more often than watching Alita discover herself, from the moment she opens her eyes to the moment she raises her sword to Zalem.
Rosa Salazar did such a great job in portraying Alita, she won all our hearts. She read some of the books to learn the character, and she even hugged Yukito Kishiro the creator of the Manga when he visited the set, the chocolate was made by Robert Rodriguez. And it the Manga the dog saves Alita and lives a long and happy life. The film follows the two episode Anime , but lot of the dialogue is taken from the Manga. I love this movie so much that i have all the Manga s. And still reading bthe current Mars Chronicles, following Our girl as a 3 year old orphan on Mars.
Just so you know, I don't usually watch reactions to movies I've never seen. However I make an exception with you guys. You make it entertaining no matter what.
I’m so happy y’all reacted to this. This movie is extremely underrated and definitely should have gotten a sequel. I also think Rosa Salazar is great in this (there’s some cool behind the scenes features of the amount of work she did getting the motion capture work right for this character). And Christoph Waltz is excellent as always.
One-wheeled vehicles turn by leaning to one side so it's riding on the side of the wheel. Steering on a Onewheel is just like steering on a skateboard or a snowboard. Think about when a ring is rolling along and when it starts to fall over it turns and devolves into chasing itself in a circle of equal radius as it approaches being horizontal.
@@hanng1242 They were doing costume tests pre-strikes in 2023, but it fell through. Sanderson actually owns all rights to Cosmere works currently without any options. He's got enough caché now to hold out for the right deal that will respect the work.
Coincidentally, Zapan is portrayed by Ed Skein... aka "Francis" in the Deadpool movie. And yes, there is plenty of material after they try to get to Zalem; among other things, there's the entire "Final Order" story arc. Too bad they'll probably never make the sequel, despite setting us up for it in this movie.
Greatest sci-fi manga ever made, the sequel spin-off is silly fun, the prequel threequel is peak. The movie is more based on the OVA from the 90s, which leads to the massive video game direction. buy the big deluxe edition collection George, you know you need it. Ed Norton is INSANE casting. Hopefully this trilogy will be finished.
Had a thought... Who would win a battle duel between manga Alita vs. comic books Gamora (or Nebula too) I wonder? 🤔 Or what's your thought(s) about _that_ ?
11:34 - as many people pointed out its from a manga, but the reason why it feels YA is because the script was literally written in the 90's. This is an abandoned James Cameron project from back then and that's why its full of so many 90's tropes (which now feel very YA).
Agreed. They did a great job with the origin story, and laid the foundation for a sequel. Not sure if the movie did well enough at the box office to justify a sequel for the studios. We can always hope
@@slimmccoy8863It didn't, unfortunately. There was a movement among fans to try and get everyone they could to get it on Blu-ray when it came out, in the hopes that the sales would convince the studio to go ahead with a sequel
All the characters in the manga have big eyes, it's simply the art style of the book (and of many other manga/anime). I think the filmmakers took that aspect far too literally.
Yes, but the originals design is actually very light on the common "expressive eyes" of other series. And the main character actually does not have massive alien eyes "because reason". Compare her to comic Hugo here: www.cridutroll.fr/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/hugo.jpg
@@Rocket1377 Mars is further from the Sun, and thus has a lower general level of illumination. Larger eyes for Martian characters makes sense from a technical standpoint.
One of my favorite movies. There’s so many good things to say about it. Everyone is great in this. Rosa Salazar is incredible as Alita. You can feel her emotions through the screen. The fight scene at the hunter-warrior bar is so epic. One for the ages 🤩 Her eyes are big like that to match the anime 🙂 Christoph Waltz is, of course, great and warm as Ido, her dad 😄, and Mahershala Ali is so good as Vector. His death at the end is one of the most haunting. It’s so good. I wish more people saw this in theaters. It deserved a sequel 🥲
Yeah!! It's mine too!! 😃😁👏💖 Yk, been thinking... Lita (that's what I call her for short) should fight either the daughters of Thanos: Gamora or Nebula if she were in a *one-on-one combat battle duel!* Wdyt?
James Cameron did a TV series called "Dark Angel" in 2000 that went 2 seasons with Jessica Alba as a genetically enhanced superhuman prototype, the show is ironically set in 2019.
George - I wonder if, someday, we'll have enhancements for facial features to this extent; like we can have eyes THAT huge? Ella Purnell - Am I a joke to you?
I adore the manga & anime for this character and world. When this movie came out I saw it four times at the cinema. - the film makers were hoping to make two movies, hence the open ending feel. That being said; the main antagonist for Alita was herself. In that she had to learn that no matter how powerful she seems she can still loose people she holds dear. - the movie is a mash up of mainly two books with think like motorball added later - although the drawing style is from anima/manga believe the canon for the large eyes is due to URM being on Mars, so technically less light aka larger eyes to see in low light - why they attacking from ground? Never attack an enemy from one angle. Distract with your main force while you send a small squad in to make a mess of things - one criticism I’ve seen before is why does Alita know how clothes work but didn’t know how to eat an orange…. Well, clothing is fairly universal and she is from Mars, how the hell is she to know what an orange is?! It’s a massive world and I’m impressed that Rodriguez was able to bring some life into it. Unfortunately it didn’t do as well as Fox wanted, so the second movie has been scrapped, and seeing Disney doesn’t appear to be interested this seems to be a one and done. Enjoyed your reaction from Vancouver Island!
29:40 Dude. This scene gives me chills every time I see it. It’s so inspiring and empowering. She doesn’t run, no matter what. “I do not stand by in the presence of evil,” “F your mercy!” ✊ 😠 RIP, little doggie 🥲
I'm in my 60's. I've never been much of a reader of comics, graphic novels (except for Alan Moore) and then later manga, but I found this movie utterly engrossing. It led to me seeking out the manga and delving into the really well-developed world in the series and its spin-offs.
This is from a truly amazing, very long lasting manga, still going on, spanning ages, and lifetime of Alita. 35+ volumes. Let's say this movie is the introduction, first 2-3 original volumes.
I read the manga long ago. It was crazy. One of the bits that I still remember was a motorball champion with a stereotypical viking horned helmet. His fans would hold their hands out through the fence and he'd chop them off and stick the hands on the helmet spikes before winning races.
Battle Angel Alita is James Cameron's dream project. In the early 2000s, he tried out the same premise and setting with his "Dark Angel" series citing that the only reason he wouldn't adapt it at the time was due to SFX not being up to his standard that he wanted to see Alita in. Dark Angel is a great series that is sadly lost in time. DVDs are expensive and the high seas are spotty, if not risky.
I saw this in the theater, I really enjoyed it, but i will never understand why so many science fiction writers keep insisting rollerball will be the biggest thing in future sports. I just don't see that happening. Also, this feels like it should have been spread out over two or three movies instead of packing all of it into one.
my head-cannon is that the large eyes came about as an advantage for space-faring robo folk to better see over extreme distances. space is called 'the expanse' for a reason!
Despite playing fast and loose with the original manga I just can't help but love this film. It managed to live up to the hype for me after literally years of waiting.
Best manga/anime to movie versions, along with Oldboy, Ichi The Killer, and Edge of Tomorrow. It feels like a franchise because it is mostly faithful to the source material which comprises of many volumes, adapting 2 out of over 20 vols. (motorball should have happened the next volume but I guess it fits well the way they did the movie script). The first series ends in 9 volumes, where the author rushed the ending thinking he was not going to make it out of his bad health, but he got cured and the continuation starts of from half of the original series, to the second series, Last Order, which comprises of 19 vols. A new series entitled Mars Chronicles is currently ongoing, about Alita's backstory.
The battle Angel setting is very well adapted to role playing. A city of scraps and refugees with almost no laws... but there is a powerful hidden overlord who just puts bounties on anyone who commits murder. The player characters become hunter warriors.
Noice! This is such a great movie, and unlike some other franchises that never seem to end, truly deserving of a sequel or two. Y'all have saved Monday (no easy feat), Cheers. 🥃
wow such a nice suprise this was to appear on my notification. my favorite movie nerds reacting to a beautiful adaptation of a classic manga. its a good day.
Yeah! It's cool! Alita and Gamora from Galaxy Guardians should fight! (Plus even Nebula too) What do you think? Or to shortened that, who would win between manga Alita vs. comic books Gamora (or Nebula)
@@RedPandaGirl002 probably my money on alita. you know the nuclear lvl powered war machine lol but still why? they can be all friends and play pillow fight like sisters too.. well poor pillows but better than bodies i guess.
@@serhatkucukberksun3523 Sorry if part of my comment sounded a bit offending to you. 😔 I was only trying to see and compare their strengths for each other
First volume of Alita/GUNM I read was the one immediately after this film's events. Fun fact: Alita bares some striking similarities to Street Fighter's Cammy, another amnesiac soldier with a doll-like face, who was created during the initial run of the manga.
She looks like that because she looks exactly the way she was drawn in the comic. This movie is criminally underrated and deserves a sequel. Yes James Cameron produced it but Robert rodriguez was the director and he really wants to do a sequel.
Best anime/manga adaptation of it's time. The movie is pretty much frame for frame to the anime which is a classic, but they added a lot of depth that just worked for me personally. I fell in love the first time I saw it. Helps that it has a fantastic cast.
The cast in this was fantastic. Not just the leads Rosa Salazar (Alita) and Christoph Waltz (Ido) but all the different characters. A few to note that you may not have recognised - Jennifer Connelly (from 'Top Gun: Maverick' & Labyrinth') as Chiren (Ido's ex-wife) Mahershala Ali (MCUs new 'Blade') as Vector Ed Skrein (Francis from 'Deadpool') as Zapan (hunter who's face was cut off) Jackie Earle Haley (Rorschach from 'Watchmen') as Grewishka (uber-built bad guy who's eye was gouged by Alita's arm) Casper Van Dien (from 'Sleepy Hollow' & 'Starship Trooper' movies) as Amok (one of Zapan's cronies) Edward Norton (from 'Fight Club' & 'Incredible Hulk') as Nova There's a much-deserved sequel in the works to continue the story and the world building. The graphic novel this is based on is vast, with numerous spin-offs and additions over the years. And while I'm at it, please react to 2017s 'Ghost in the Shell' with Scarlett Johansson - another anime-based graphic novel live-action adaptation that I feel doesn't get the love it deserves.
It sucks but the dog was the motivation for McTeague. You see he can't be bothered during any part of the bar fight but once Grewishka hurts a dog he stands up and gets involved. I get it. Usually no faster way to take me out of a movie but this wasn't to make us hate Grewishka. It was to make McTeague hate him enough to stand up when there is no bounty involved. He even says "He wasn't a dog lover." EDIT: Rodriguez =/= Del Toro and Del Toro =/= the origin of the grinder trope.
Given that the first one lost money (esp. given the marketing costs), I still doubt it. I mean, if it happens, great, but I'm staying cautious. (Yes, the gross is higher than the production costs, but it's gross, not net. About 50% of ticket prices go to the studio on average, and for China it's closer to 30%).
@@Argumemnon Even if it broke even, nobody invests $200 million to get a return of $200 million after many years. Opportunity cost always has to be factored in.
Made it to the end. Great reaction! First reaction I think I’ve seen on your channel. Glad you guys enjoyed it. Maybe one day they’ll get to finish the series 🥲
@46:16 Not only the giant grindy thing sucking someone in by a chain in Hellboy 2, but the ol' "slicing a water droplet in half" too is familiar/used again here.
The water cutting was in the comic. And that would be a different director that may or may not have borrowed it then I suppose. But the gut stabs the director fetishes sure got the double up here.
The problem with making a movie solely built to kickoff sequels is by leaving so many plot points unresolved, you risk having a film that people don't like, thus sabotaging your chances of having the sequels you were banking on.
I like how Altita can be a superhero as a woman yet can retain her femininity and heart. She doesn't try to be a cold person that doesn't need or care about anyone, like most recent Hollywood female characters.
Speaking of superheroes... what would if be like if Alita got to fight either the daughters of Thanos, Gamora or Nebula, if she were in a *one-on-one combat battle duel* for either one? What do you think? Who would win???
If you're curious about the source material, there's a manga, an anime, a Playstation 1 game, and a couple of novels. If you want to know how Mars lost the war if they had an army of Kunstlers with Berserker bodies? Earth had one 500 year old vampire, and SHE knows kung fu.
Rosa Salazar (Alita) is an amazing actress, after watching this movie I looked up other things she had done and there is a miniseries called "Undone" on Netflix where she plays a teacher who discovers she has the power to control space/time. Or is she mentally ill? It is a wild ride, and the whole thing is Rotascoped, where the film is redrawn and then animated, giving it a otherworldly feel.
29:40 Ahhh, the 90's anime OVA showed the puppy getting sliced apart. Really gruesome! But man such a good anime, shame it was only a 2-part OVA. The manga is so good too I only wished they animated more of it! They did a fairly good job with this movie, pretty much telling the same story as the anime did but adding a few more details from the manga. There's a lot to unpack, lore-wise.
Even if the franchise didn't happen, it covered quite a few of the manga in a very effective and touching fashion. The bounty hunter reveal storyline, the motorball storyline, the climbing to Zalem storyline all included. And it was done with a terrific cast and enough money to make it a spectacle. Maybe if you'd read the manga first, George, you could have appreciated it 100%.
RE the uni-wheeled bike turning, I would imagine (barring hand wavy scifi tech) that they would use an onboard gyro to help keep the bike up (given it outweighs the rider) and have sensors that detect a combination of steering inputs and rider lead to then have the gyro aide in the desired motion. So its still "weight" or the momentum of the gyro to function.
It also has to do with the shape of the wheel/tire. When the bike is straight up the wheel approximates a cylinder, but when it is leaning the curved tread mimics a conical shape, such that the part touching the ground on the inside of the turn covers less distance than the part on the outside, which causes the bike to turn. This is why bicycle and motorcycle tires have a curved tread, but automobile tires are more flat.
This fairly closely follows the anime movie (which is on youtubes) which is a very abreviated story from bits taken from the manga (which is huge and ongoing). Look for videos of Ugi, the Mongolian/American contortionist performer who did the mocap for the handstand. She makes it look that easy. Look for the easter egg where the dog lives! Ed Skrein and Kaeen Johnson have a lot of time together leading major parts, in "Midway", playing US Navy fliers in the 1940s war.
I had a thought... what would it be like if manga Alita vs. Gamora comics would fight if they were in a *one-on-one combat battle duel* for each other??
This is one of those movies that i ended up enjoying a lot more than I would. In fact I still use my Alita: Battle Angel virtual membership card for Regal cinemas.
Christoph waltz is always great. I do think the eye cg was questionable and the end kinda falls flat both once you get used to it the film is actually pretty cool
Like Bullet Train, this movie came out during a dearth of decent films, I had heard nothing about it, and I found it very enjoyable. Still waiting for the sequel that may never come.
The questions asked in the manga are about humanity, and what it is. If you are almost all machine, are you still human, if you are mostly organic but have a mechanical brain, are you a human then? If you all organic but have no humanity, are you human? If you are all machine but have compasion and humanity, are you a human now? There are more questions asked and themes explored, the more you dive into the story. The movie was VERY condensed, and perhaps some things are somewhat heavy handed, but seeing Alita in live action was worth it. (PS. The Manga is VERY popular and infuential)
Starting to read the Manga. First time I saw anything about Alita was the old anime.
James Cameron being heavy handed? Truly shocking.
Ghost in the Shell asked the same questions. Some of it is Ship of Theseus philosophy. If you have no original parts of yourself left, are you still you, or a completely new person? Is your soul part of you? Does the soul exist? Etc.
Transhumanism.
This is a question much older than you may think. I am a Christian (Pentecostal), with a 'classical education' - But ignore that for a moment. Consider, biblically Adam and Eve were the first two *humans.* But when they left Eden there were others. God defined human as "body", "soul", "spirit" _(the mind is the non corporeal part of the body)._ Since God imparted the "spirit" into Adam and Eve that made them _complete_ "humans" in His eyes. Anyone else, like those outside of Eden, were "Body" and "Soul" and in Gods eyes were not fully complete at that time.
So the idea of defining what is, and what is not "human" is a very, very old one.
_Peace._ _(BTW, I personally have no issues with evolution, but that is not the topic here.)_
Fun fact - The director, Robert Rodriguez, makes his own chocolate. There's a "making-of" video out there where he shows how he does it. The chocolate bar Alita tries in the market is one of his.
i have the blu-ray, it's one of the bonus features
I can't watch that scene in this movie without CRAVING CHOCOLATE afterwards! lol
@@meadmaker4525 I have always wondered how many takes it took to get that one scene right.
I Just imagine Robert Rodriguez pleading with Rosa. just get it correct it's the very last bar. 🤣🤣
The reason why there's so much lore and world building is that the Manga it's based on was pretty substantial, with several spin-offs and sequels, so they had a lot to work with.
'Pretty substantial' is an understatement. 38 volumes and counting so far.
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The thing is that this movie really only covers chunks of the first volume and the very very beginning of the second with tons of content left out
@@evilscary So far? Don't tell me it's still going. I read the manga when I was a teenager! I need to get back into it.
@@paffles6696 It's currently going into the years of Alita's childhood years and how she became what she is.
9:48: that’s how her face is in the manga. This was James Cameron’s first attempt at making a live action film adaptation of a manga/anime; which was something he always wanted to do. They are legitimately trying to live action the hand drawn animation style of a manga/anime character, which is why Alita specifically looks so weird but good-- the anime character design troupe you know, the large eyes, heart shaped/cat shaped face(for female characters)…it was a deliberate artistic and aesthetic style choice for Alita character design true as possible to the character
In battle Angel it's intentional the manga author wanted the contrast of a super warrior that looked like a doll.
It doesn't make sense.
If they wanted to follow the japanese art style where the eyes are an important part of the character's personality - then why didn't they make small and big eyes for everyone?
In manga and anime it only works because all characters have a similar style, so huge or tiny eyes do not stand out.
But here she's the only one with such deformed eyes and it doesn't make any sense. It looks pointless and superfluous.
@@wakkadakka9192 because in the Manga she's specifically described as Doll like, as if her specific anime eyes are notable and exceptional in her context.
In the movie this ends up working to hint that she is indeed URM/Martian, with the explanation being that these proportions are common for Martians, probably because of genetic adaptation to less light and gravity.
@@ravissary79 that doesn't hold up when there are a lot of other characters with very similar characteristics (e.g. large eyes) which do not get exemplified in any other character; Ido is supposed to have this gigantic chin but Waltz's looks pretty normal. There are means by which you can showcase a 'doll-like' characteristic and IIRC the director went this direction specifically because he wanted to emulate the large eyes of the manga, which again doesn't float well because she's the only one who has them.
Robotic parts don't evolve to adapt to light and gravity, her entire body aside from her brain is synthetic and manufactured so there's zero reason why she should have large eyes because of an environmental adaptation.
@cobaltplasma it holds up perfectly fine if you paid attention to what i said about her being doll-like.
You're confusing drawn style with in-universe reality.
In the Manga, Ido is a normal human, not a chin mutant. He has a big chin because Manga isn't drawn with slavishly untra realistic faces. So go by the WORDS is something us exceptional.
No one is the story acts like Ido is exceptional looking except his forehead symbol (not in the movie).
But people DO react to Alita. And like i said, she ISN'T normal in the plot either: she's a Martian total body replacement cyborg.
This means there's room for interpretation fir how much of her stylized look can be depicted in a less mundane way in "live action".
Thos allowed Cameron to play with the idea tgat her distinctive visual style could be appropriated in live action with the in-universe explanation of her origins as the reason.
And no, she's not the only character with an abnormal face. Both the mantis-blade armed murderer and Gruishka, both have highly misshapen faces due to augmentation.
And in the case of Zapan, it's hinted that this isn't a natural face either, as she says he spends on his money on his face. When she cuts his face off its clear that underneath it was am almost totally cyborg skeletal structure with a fleshy tongue but covered in a high quality life-like face. Essentially he payed a lot to look normal.
For the sake of cost vs technology, it doesn't make sense to mocap half of the cast if prosthetics will do. It means only she and her former comrades in flashbacks needed to be mocapped in this specific way.
(Though obviously, Gruishka was as well).
Ultimately it aids the world building to utilize the Manga style in this way.
The interesting trivia bit you didn't get....Cameron had the rights to Alita for decades but he didn't want to make it until the tech was right to do it justice, we got Avatar as his proof of concept for the tech he wanted to use for Alita
Yeah, fans of the manga (tbf, the anime was the first thing I saw) have been waiting for decades, knowing that Cameron wanted to do it.
During all that time spent not doing it he instead for some reason also made a TV-series with Jessica Alba that was even more loosely based on this story.
@@AltCutTV He said Dark Angel was a test to see if the general western audience would be interested in a story like GUNNM.
Yeah, i remember an interview he did in the late 90's talking about wanting to make this movie. it was a passion project for him.
Simone's visible excitement about the huge bar of chocolate was adorable.
This movie surprised the hell out of me with how good it is. The fact that Ed Skrein is in it as a villain is pretty awesome. especially after seeing him in the first Deadpool movie as the main villain, Ajax AKA Francis.
Speaking of Marvel, I would REALLY wanna see Alita battle either Gamora or Nebula!
Wbu?
@@RedPandaGirl002 I think that Alita would literally tear Nebula to shreds after a great fight and maybe force a draw with Gamora.
@@rainbowpegacornstudios Yeah I kinda felt/knew Alita would destroy Nebula in a split second.
But a "force a draw with Gamora" meaning? 🤔
@RedPandaGirl002
*They do damage to each other but call a draw due to mutual respect for each other's battle prowess*
@@rainbowpegacornstudios I understand now.
As a long time fan of the manga I'm so happy we got this movie. It's not perfect and we might never get a sequel but some love for Alita is always nice.
Gotta say it was surprising it was even as good as it was.
Considering Hollywoods very bad history of adapting Manga or pretty much anything from Japan entertainment media into an American film
Sequel was announced
I really disliked the movie as a fan but seeing Alita in a motion picture was pretty cool I'm not gonna lie
@@shadowphoenix1696 Yeah, I was shocked by how great a movie it is! Considering that, yes, you're right, there is a LONG LIST of horribly adapted movies/TV shows that try so hard to "Americanize" Japanese comic lore (Netflix's godawful "Cowboy Bebop" adaptation is only the most recent). James Cameron is definitely a different sort of breed from other Hollywood creators.
Wish this movie got its well deserved sequel(s)
They are being worked on still, AFAIK the last thing Cameron and Rodreguiz have said is that the script(s) are done and they are going to be made still. The last news was in March of this year if I remember.
@LordLOC sounds good. Should've been sooner honestly. But Disney bought Fox back then.
@@deopping Yeah the whole Fox purchase really screwed the pooch on a lot of movies, hopefully before 2028 we get the sequel. My guess is 2026 or 2027.
According to reports, 'Alita: Fallen Angel' is scheduled for release next year.
I saw in an interview or something that James Cameron really loves that franchise and he'll definitely make more, I hope he does coz I really enjoyed this film
I'm glad the two of you agree with most of the rest of us:
WE NEED MORE ALITA!!!!
Same!! I am a HUGE Alita fan! 😁😉 And yk, just wondering... Lita (that's what I call her for short) and Gamora from _Galaxy Guardians_ should fight! (Plus even Nebula too) or Jayla from *Star Trek Beyond*
What do you think? Who would win??
A great reason for the face of Alita being slightly off is to help maintain that 'uncanny valley' feeling that makes you question her humanity. Along with being more true to the source material. It does work really well in maintaining that feel of alienness
It's not true to the source material. All manga characters have big eyes. I don't get an uncanny valley vibe when I read the book or watch the anime.
I don't think I ever really questioned her humanity. She's way too sweet for that. lol
The uncanny valley vibe was gone pretty quickly too, probably also thanks to her wholesome character and her actresses work.
@@Dark__Thoughts At this point, I don't even notice the eyes
So annoying there hasn't been a sequel yet after 5yrs.
He apparently likes to wait a very long time to do a sequel
It made $400 million on a budget of between $150 and $200 million. After advertising and the theaters' take, it probably didn't break even. If it had a made a billion, we would have had two sequels by now.
It's not going to happen.
Yeah, sadly it was not a commercial success. I don't know exactly why. I enjoyed it quite a bit. It did suffer a bit from that whole setting-up-another-movie thing. That so rarely works. If you want a franchise you need to complete one story in full with a satisfying ending, and then leave open the possibility of more. Imagine if in Star Wars, they didn't blow up the Death Star and have the medal awarding ceremony at the end, but ended it with Luke taking off from the moon in his X-Wing instead. That's basically what they did here.
@@fakecubed I think it's more to do with her eyes. Before the movie came out, the majority of what I heard people talk about was how her eyes freaked them out.
Not enough people went to see it to make it worth making another.
This movie was awesome, especially for a live-action adaptation of the popular manga but most importantly the way they made Rosa Salazar look like Alita from the Manga was perfect!
And the way the face could emote was really impressive.👍
"You're hiding cyborgs under your floorboards, aren't you?"
That's a bingo!
Do the cyborgs control the banks and promote degeneracy in the future?
@@kris5465 If the shoe fits...
Fun fact: This movie actually began when Guillermo Del Toro showed his friend James Cameron the manga for Battle Angel Alita.
(Both met in Del Toro's directorial debut "Cronos" and Cameron helped with a ransom when Del Toro's father was kidnapped in 1997. Yes this happened).
James Cameron was so enamored by this manga, he began development for a film Avatar, which would be a testing ground to create a belivable cgi character & world.
(Yes. The Avatar movie series wouldnt exist without Alita.)
Of course Cameron would step down as director being too busy with his Avatar film series, but was still determined to have the film completed. He would then pass the reigns to Robert Rodriguez and continue Alita as its producer.
As Nostalgia Critic put it, its ironic, a film director known for his huge budget films and large sets, collaborated with a director who made lower budget films in his garage.
Great info! Thanks.
Cameron paid for a negotiator, del Toro family paid the ransom.
too bad he left the movie to someone else and they fucked up hard, the movie is nearly an insult to the manga, so much cut content and so many ruined characters
according to del Toro, two of the most traumatic events of his life were his father being kidnapped, and making Mimic for Miramax
So it started from an interaction between two top tier directors, neither of whom directed it lmao
I love the world they created for this movie! Was a blast to see this in cinema. So sad that we did not get a sequel yet.
I’ve never read the manga before but this is one of my favorite movies. It was incredibly enjoyable for me.
Yeah same. I've never read the manga before either, but the movie is AWESOME!!!! 😃😁😉😆 Also, interesting thought... who would win a one-on-one combat battle duel between:
*manga Alita* vs. *comic books Gamora*
Who would win??
Or maybe just both Alita vs. Gamora in movies perhaps?
So glad you two reacted to this, one of my favorite movies. Simone looks awesome as Alita. :D Reading the comments, people have said most of what I was going to say anyway. Thank god for good people with more time than me.
Yeah! She's mine too!! 😁😁😁
Yk, I was thinking... what if Alita got to fight either Gamora, Nebula, Sara Lance, or Jayla from *Star Trek Beyond* if she were in a one-on-one combat battle duel??
Who would win??
Love this movie. Few things in movies has made me tear up more often than watching Alita discover herself, from the moment she opens her eyes to the moment she raises her sword to Zalem.
Yk, Alita should fight either Gamora or Nebula, the daughters of Thanos for a one-on-one combat battle duel!
What do you think??
Rosa Salazar did such a great job in portraying Alita, she won all our hearts.
She read some of the books to learn the character, and she even hugged Yukito Kishiro the creator of the Manga when he visited the set, the chocolate was made by Robert Rodriguez.
And it the Manga the dog saves Alita and lives a long and happy life. The film follows the two episode Anime , but lot of the dialogue is taken from the Manga. I love this movie so much that i have all the Manga s.
And still reading bthe current Mars Chronicles, following Our girl as a 3 year old orphan on Mars.
Yeah! She's one of my favorite actresses! 😁😁💖
LOL! George being blind-sided by _20th Century Fox_ was too good!
Just so you know, I don't usually watch reactions to movies I've never seen. However I make an exception with you guys. You make it entertaining no matter what.
I’m now realizing Alita is basically robot Jason Bourne
Hahaha, wow.
lol
Had the same thought watching this reaction 😆It was right when she did the battle stance for the first time, right?
Or Jason Bourne is just male human Alita, considering how old this story is
@@typharian9281 I believe that the Bourne novels (Robert Ludlum) predate Gunnm by several decades.
I’m so happy y’all reacted to this. This movie is extremely underrated and definitely should have gotten a sequel. I also think Rosa Salazar is great in this (there’s some cool behind the scenes features of the amount of work she did getting the motion capture work right for this character). And Christoph Waltz is excellent as always.
Yeah yk, miss Rosa is one of my favorite a actresses! 😁💖 I like her too
One-wheeled vehicles turn by leaning to one side so it's riding on the side of the wheel. Steering on a Onewheel is just like steering on a skateboard or a snowboard. Think about when a ring is rolling along and when it starts to fall over it turns and devolves into chasing itself in a circle of equal radius as it approaches being horizontal.
As a teen I loved the manga, I still have them all on my shelf. I'm still waiting for them to give us a movie sequel.
I have an interesting thought...
Who would win a battle duel between: *manga Alita* and *comic book Gamora*
Who would win??
"This is very Vin and the Lord Ruler." I get that reference!!
It has indubitably been optioned, but I am surprised that we haven't had a Mistborn film - either Hollywood or Netflix - yet.
@@hanng1242 They were doing costume tests pre-strikes in 2023, but it fell through. Sanderson actually owns all rights to Cosmere works currently without any options. He's got enough caché now to hold out for the right deal that will respect the work.
Coincidentally, Zapan is portrayed by Ed Skein... aka "Francis" in the Deadpool movie. And yes, there is plenty of material after they try to get to Zalem; among other things, there's the entire "Final Order" story arc. Too bad they'll probably never make the sequel, despite setting us up for it in this movie.
*Skrein.
This movie is severely underrated imo, should have gotten a sequel or two, the story gets even crazier and better
Greatest sci-fi manga ever made, the sequel spin-off is silly fun, the prequel threequel is peak.
The movie is more based on the OVA from the 90s, which leads to the massive video game direction.
buy the big deluxe edition collection George, you know you need it.
Ed Norton is INSANE casting.
Hopefully this trilogy will be finished.
Had a thought...
Who would win a battle duel between manga Alita vs. comic books Gamora (or Nebula too) I wonder? 🤔
Or what's your thought(s) about _that_ ?
11:34 - as many people pointed out its from a manga, but the reason why it feels YA is because the script was literally written in the 90's. This is an abandoned James Cameron project from back then and that's why its full of so many 90's tropes (which now feel very YA).
Alita is a former martian commando, there is a lot less light on Mars, hence big eyes.
She and Gamora (or even Nebula too) from _Galaxy Guardians_ should fight! What do you think??
Wish they made the sequel
Agreed. They did a great job with the origin story, and laid the foundation for a sequel.
Not sure if the movie did well enough at the box office to justify a sequel for the studios. We can always hope
@@slimmccoy8863It didn't, unfortunately. There was a movement among fans to try and get everyone they could to get it on Blu-ray when it came out, in the hopes that the sales would convince the studio to go ahead with a sequel
The face "eyes" was to keep the Manga feel. They actually toned it way down from the i initial design where eyes were even bigger
Yep. I've read the first few books of the Manga and her eyes are even bigger.
All the characters in the manga have big eyes, it's simply the art style of the book (and of many other manga/anime). I think the filmmakers took that aspect far too literally.
Yes, but the originals design is actually very light on the common "expressive eyes" of other series. And the main character actually does not have massive alien eyes "because reason". Compare her to comic Hugo here: www.cridutroll.fr/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/hugo.jpg
@@Rocket1377 Mars is further from the Sun, and thus has a lower general level of illumination. Larger eyes for Martian characters makes sense from a technical standpoint.
One of my favorite movies. There’s so many good things to say about it. Everyone is great in this. Rosa Salazar is incredible as Alita. You can feel her emotions through the screen. The fight scene at the hunter-warrior bar is so epic. One for the ages 🤩 Her eyes are big like that to match the anime 🙂 Christoph Waltz is, of course, great and warm as Ido, her dad 😄, and Mahershala Ali is so good as Vector. His death at the end is one of the most haunting. It’s so good. I wish more people saw this in theaters. It deserved a sequel 🥲
Yeah!! It's mine too!! 😃😁👏💖 Yk, been thinking... Lita (that's what I call her for short) should fight either the daughters of Thanos: Gamora or Nebula if she were in a *one-on-one combat battle duel!*
Wdyt?
By far, one of, if not, the best live action adaptation of an anime/manga series
Underrated movie!
James Cameron did a TV series called "Dark Angel" in 2000 that went 2 seasons with Jessica Alba as a genetically enhanced superhuman prototype, the show is ironically set in 2019.
George - I wonder if, someday, we'll have enhancements for facial features to this extent; like we can have eyes THAT huge?
Ella Purnell - Am I a joke to you?
I adore the manga & anime for this character and world. When this movie came out I saw it four times at the cinema.
- the film makers were hoping to make two movies, hence the open ending feel. That being said; the main antagonist for Alita was herself. In that she had to learn that no matter how powerful she seems she can still loose people she holds dear.
- the movie is a mash up of mainly two books with think like motorball added later
- although the drawing style is from anima/manga believe the canon for the large eyes is due to URM being on Mars, so technically less light aka larger eyes to see in low light
- why they attacking from ground? Never attack an enemy from one angle. Distract with your main force while you send a small squad in to make a mess of things
- one criticism I’ve seen before is why does Alita know how clothes work but didn’t know how to eat an orange…. Well, clothing is fairly universal and she is from Mars, how the hell is she to know what an orange is?!
It’s a massive world and I’m impressed that Rodriguez was able to bring some life into it.
Unfortunately it didn’t do as well as Fox wanted, so the second movie has been scrapped, and seeing Disney doesn’t appear to be interested this seems to be a one and done.
Enjoyed your reaction from Vancouver Island!
29:40 Dude. This scene gives me chills every time I see it. It’s so inspiring and empowering. She doesn’t run, no matter what. “I do not stand by in the presence of evil,” “F your mercy!” ✊ 😠 RIP, little doggie 🥲
I'm in my 60's. I've never been much of a reader of comics, graphic novels (except for Alan Moore) and then later manga, but I found this movie utterly engrossing. It led to me seeking out the manga and delving into the really well-developed world in the series and its spin-offs.
oh, you got so much to catch up on. Enjoy! I especially like 80s 90s anime aesthetics, check it out!
This is from a truly amazing, very long lasting manga, still going on, spanning ages, and lifetime of Alita. 35+ volumes.
Let's say this movie is the introduction, first 2-3 original volumes.
i'm still holding onto hope that there will be a sequel! I love CineBinge!
I read the manga long ago. It was crazy. One of the bits that I still remember was a motorball champion with a stereotypical viking horned helmet. His fans would hold their hands out through the fence and he'd chop them off and stick the hands on the helmet spikes before winning races.
I had an idea: what if there was a combat battle duel for
Manga Alita vs. Gamora comics
Who would win??
Alita's eye aren't augmented, in the manga she grew up on Mars, it's gravity and low light made people's facial features develop differently
Battle Angel Alita is James Cameron's dream project. In the early 2000s, he tried out the same premise and setting with his "Dark Angel" series citing that the only reason he wouldn't adapt it at the time was due to SFX not being up to his standard that he wanted to see Alita in.
Dark Angel is a great series that is sadly lost in time. DVDs are expensive and the high seas are spotty, if not risky.
That is a real shame. Dark Angel is something I'd rewatch
I saw this in the theater, I really enjoyed it, but i will never understand why so many science fiction writers keep insisting rollerball will be the biggest thing in future sports. I just don't see that happening.
Also, this feels like it should have been spread out over two or three movies instead of packing all of it into one.
Yeah, it's a very dense movie. Particularly the ending.
Thank you for reacting to this one! More Reactors need to follow! Such a great movie!
my head-cannon is that the large eyes came about as an advantage for space-faring robo folk to better see over extreme distances. space is called 'the expanse' for a reason!
I love the Alita adaptation to the big screen...and I hate how long it takes to make, cause I REALLY want a part 2 (and more if possible).
Despite playing fast and loose with the original manga I just can't help but love this film. It managed to live up to the hype for me after literally years of waiting.
Best manga/anime to movie versions, along with Oldboy, Ichi The Killer, and Edge of Tomorrow.
It feels like a franchise because it is mostly faithful to the source material which comprises of many volumes, adapting 2 out of over 20 vols. (motorball should have happened the next volume but I guess it fits well the way they did the movie script). The first series ends in 9 volumes, where the author rushed the ending thinking he was not going to make it out of his bad health, but he got cured and the continuation starts of from half of the original series, to the second series, Last Order, which comprises of 19 vols. A new series entitled Mars Chronicles is currently ongoing, about Alita's backstory.
I loved astro boy . Thought it was done very well .
Oldboy was movie first, then Manga adaptation.
@@Cau_No Nope, manga was from 1996 to 1998, Movie was in 2003
Oldboy original is very very different to the filmed adaptations. Even more so than Alita in some ways.
The battle Angel setting is very well adapted to role playing. A city of scraps and refugees with almost no laws... but there is a powerful hidden overlord who just puts bounties on anyone who commits murder. The player characters become hunter warriors.
I don't know why, but i don't get uncanny valley from her
This movie has one of the best trailers I’ve ever seen, released two years in advance.
Noice! This is such a great movie, and unlike some other franchises that never seem to end, truly deserving of a sequel or two. Y'all have saved Monday (no easy feat), Cheers. 🥃
You guys should check out the story of Tilly Lockey, she got the Alita battle angel bionic arms!
That was a very heart warming video, when she received them.
@@3DJapan It was! & she looks so cool in them 😃
wow such a nice suprise this was to appear on my notification. my favorite movie nerds reacting to a beautiful adaptation of a classic manga. its a good day.
Yeah! It's cool! Alita and Gamora from Galaxy Guardians should fight! (Plus even Nebula too)
What do you think?
Or to shortened that, who would win between manga Alita vs. comic books Gamora (or Nebula)
@@RedPandaGirl002 probably my money on alita. you know the nuclear lvl powered war machine lol but still why? they can be all friends and play pillow fight like sisters too.. well poor pillows but better than bodies i guess.
@@serhatkucukberksun3523 Sorry if part of my comment sounded a bit offending to you. 😔 I was only trying to see and compare their strengths for each other
@@RedPandaGirl002 nope it wasnt i was being sarcastic and being funny no offense taken no problems here no worries :)
@@serhatkucukberksun3523 Ahhhh okay good! 👍
First volume of Alita/GUNM I read was the one immediately after this film's events. Fun fact: Alita bares some striking similarities to Street Fighter's Cammy, another amnesiac soldier with a doll-like face, who was created during the initial run of the manga.
Glad you, finally, watched this movie George&Simone.
friend of mine was a concept artist on this movie and he said that this was basically a James Cameron passion project. Comic book adaptation.
She looks like that because she looks exactly the way she was drawn in the comic. This movie is criminally underrated and deserves a sequel. Yes James Cameron produced it but Robert rodriguez was the director and he really wants to do a sequel.
only movie i ever went to the theater more than twice to see. twice in imax and twice in regular theater. amazing in 3d
Best anime/manga adaptation of it's time. The movie is pretty much frame for frame to the anime which is a classic, but they added a lot of depth that just worked for me personally. I fell in love the first time I saw it. Helps that it has a fantastic cast.
Forgot to say thanks for the reaction!
6:12 We already have unlimited arms, George! They're called "bands"!
Super underrated movie.
It actually gets better every watch
Never saw its manga until the film came out. Instantly became a fan of Alita
Me too! 😃😁💖 She's my favorite heroine! Say, Lita and Gamora from _Guardians_ should fight! (or Nebula too) Wdyt?
The cast in this was fantastic. Not just the leads Rosa Salazar (Alita) and Christoph Waltz (Ido) but all the different characters. A few to note that you may not have recognised -
Jennifer Connelly (from 'Top Gun: Maverick' & Labyrinth') as Chiren (Ido's ex-wife)
Mahershala Ali (MCUs new 'Blade') as Vector
Ed Skrein (Francis from 'Deadpool') as Zapan (hunter who's face was cut off)
Jackie Earle Haley (Rorschach from 'Watchmen') as Grewishka (uber-built bad guy who's eye was gouged by Alita's arm)
Casper Van Dien (from 'Sleepy Hollow' & 'Starship Trooper' movies) as Amok (one of Zapan's cronies)
Edward Norton (from 'Fight Club' & 'Incredible Hulk') as Nova
There's a much-deserved sequel in the works to continue the story and the world building. The graphic novel this is based on is vast, with numerous spin-offs and additions over the years.
And while I'm at it, please react to 2017s 'Ghost in the Shell' with Scarlett Johansson - another anime-based graphic novel live-action adaptation that I feel doesn't get the love it deserves.
It sucks but the dog was the motivation for McTeague. You see he can't be bothered during any part of the bar fight but once Grewishka hurts a dog he stands up and gets involved. I get it. Usually no faster way to take me out of a movie but this wasn't to make us hate Grewishka. It was to make McTeague hate him enough to stand up when there is no bounty involved. He even says "He wasn't a dog lover." EDIT: Rodriguez =/= Del Toro and Del Toro =/= the origin of the grinder trope.
Alita: Battle Angel 2 is confirmed, and it was re-confirmed by producer James Cameron as recently as July 2023
a link to your source please.
No way they'll make a sequel.
@@TrCic google
Given that the first one lost money (esp. given the marketing costs), I still doubt it. I mean, if it happens, great, but I'm staying cautious.
(Yes, the gross is higher than the production costs, but it's gross, not net. About 50% of ticket prices go to the studio on average, and for China it's closer to 30%).
@@Argumemnon Even if it broke even, nobody invests $200 million to get a return of $200 million after many years. Opportunity cost always has to be factored in.
Tragically underrated movie
Made it to the end. Great reaction! First reaction I think I’ve seen on your channel. Glad you guys enjoyed it. Maybe one day they’ll get to finish the series 🥲
@46:16 Not only the giant grindy thing sucking someone in by a chain in Hellboy 2, but the ol' "slicing a water droplet in half" too is familiar/used again here.
The water cutting was in the comic. And that would be a different director that may or may not have borrowed it then I suppose.
But the gut stabs the director fetishes sure got the double up here.
@@AltCutTV ok
The problem with making a movie solely built to kickoff sequels is by leaving so many plot points unresolved, you risk having a film that people don't like, thus sabotaging your chances of having the sequels you were banking on.
Yeah, I think the same thing happened with the His Dark Materials movie. Too much set up with no pay off.
Lore dump too much and the audience is going to be either exposition exhausted or not left curious enough about the bigger picture. Or both.
I really REALLY want them to actually continue this franchise.
I like how Altita can be a superhero as a woman yet can retain her femininity and heart. She doesn't try to be a cold person that doesn't need or care about anyone, like most recent Hollywood female characters.
Speaking of superheroes... what would if be like if Alita got to fight either the daughters of Thanos, Gamora or Nebula, if she were in a *one-on-one combat battle duel* for either one?
What do you think? Who would win???
The anime is one of the few anime films i have nostalgia for. Up there with Akira, Ninja Scroll, Bubblegum Crisis, Ghost in the Shell etc.
If you're curious about the source material, there's a manga, an anime, a Playstation 1 game, and a couple of novels. If you want to know how Mars lost the war if they had an army of Kunstlers with Berserker bodies? Earth had one 500 year old vampire, and SHE knows kung fu.
I could watch this movie 100 times just to hear Alita tell Zapan,"You do not deserve such a weapon."
Too bad they have not done sequel and probably never will. I also loved this movie!
In 2023 Cameron said that he planing shot a few sequels, so - there is a big chance
Rosa Salazar (Alita) is an amazing actress, after watching this movie I looked up other things she had done and there is a miniseries called "Undone" on Netflix where she plays a teacher who discovers she has the power to control space/time. Or is she mentally ill? It is a wild ride, and the whole thing is Rotascoped, where the film is redrawn and then animated, giving it a otherworldly feel.
29:40 Ahhh, the 90's anime OVA showed the puppy getting sliced apart. Really gruesome! But man such a good anime, shame it was only a 2-part OVA. The manga is so good too I only wished they animated more of it!
They did a fairly good job with this movie, pretty much telling the same story as the anime did but adding a few more details from the manga. There's a lot to unpack, lore-wise.
Even if the franchise didn't happen, it covered quite a few of the manga in a very effective and touching fashion. The bounty hunter reveal storyline, the motorball storyline, the climbing to Zalem storyline all included. And it was done with a terrific cast and enough money to make it a spectacle. Maybe if you'd read the manga first, George, you could have appreciated it 100%.
It took me a surprisingly long time to click with you guys, but I’m here now. Good luck for the 200k
Its a crime that this movie hasn't gotten a sequel yet.
Is anyone else surprised that George didn't call Zapan "Francis" the whole movie? 😂
Good one, S&G! Loved rewatching this with you!
RE the uni-wheeled bike turning, I would imagine (barring hand wavy scifi tech) that they would use an onboard gyro to help keep the bike up (given it outweighs the rider) and have sensors that detect a combination of steering inputs and rider lead to then have the gyro aide in the desired motion. So its still "weight" or the momentum of the gyro to function.
It also has to do with the shape of the wheel/tire. When the bike is straight up the wheel approximates a cylinder, but when it is leaning the curved tread mimics a conical shape, such that the part touching the ground on the inside of the turn covers less distance than the part on the outside, which causes the bike to turn. This is why bicycle and motorcycle tires have a curved tread, but automobile tires are more flat.
30:50 "She's not like the other cyborgs"
The Mohawk robot guy is Francis from Deadpool 😂
It's Ajax 🙄😉
@dudewhereismyfitness AKA Francis!! He got Ajax off a box of soap 🙄
@@frankieray2873 ;)
Everytime Simone says: "I have a theory", I wait for the music to start and Simone and George start to dance.
"...a dancing demon? No... something isn't right there..."
Once more, with feeling...
@@josephpost5743 It could be bunnies!
This fairly closely follows the anime movie (which is on youtubes) which is a very abreviated story from bits taken from the manga (which is huge and ongoing).
Look for videos of Ugi, the Mongolian/American contortionist performer who did the mocap for the handstand. She makes it look that easy.
Look for the easter egg where the dog lives!
Ed Skrein and Kaeen Johnson have a lot of time together leading major parts, in "Midway", playing US Navy fliers in the 1940s war.
I had a thought... what would it be like if manga Alita vs. Gamora comics would fight if they were in a *one-on-one combat battle duel* for each other??
Oh and Nebula as well too.
This is one of those movies that i ended up enjoying a lot more than I would. In fact I still use my Alita: Battle Angel virtual membership card for Regal cinemas.
Christoph waltz is always great. I do think the eye cg was questionable and the end kinda falls flat both once you get used to it the film is actually pretty cool
There was a PS2 game based on the manga, but it was never released in English. I played it with a translation and it sure is a trip. Fun, though.
The special features on the Amazon Prime purchase version provides some incredible background details and trivia.
Like Bullet Train, this movie came out during a dearth of decent films, I had heard nothing about it, and I found it very enjoyable. Still waiting for the sequel that may never come.
Also I’m pretty sure the Mohawk guy was Francis from Deadpool😆👍
Watching this at the theater was awesome!