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24 year *fall away* here! 👋🏽 you’re a trooper, sis! ✊🏽

I’m almost joining ICC right now. Thank you for your story. I’m starting to get a good picture of how ICC operates. From story’s like yours even though it’s an offshoot they seem to operate in similar ways. Don’t listen to them trying to make you feel bad for them helping you. That’s one of their tricks to get you to stay they would probably not help you much otherwise.

God loves you. That is an awful organization.

I’m so sorry for what happened to you Shelby. Thank you for sharing your story. I’ve been evangelizing to the ICOC students on my campus for a year now. Would you have any recommendations of what I could tell/ask them to try and pull them out?

Recreation of the hide and clap scene from The Conjuring.

They tried to get me and I’ve been just waisting the guys time 😆. Also what do you mean by you “get in trouble?” Like verbally? You’re over 18 I wanna assume and they have no legal authority over you or power/jurisdiction. On top of that, if they put hands on you, that’s just a quick call to the cops. At the end of the day, they are still just people but they have NO AUTHORITY. I’m happy you left!

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You're very brave, Shelby. May you be happy, may you be blessed. P.S. You might consider finding an attorney. Sounds like these people abused you.

Chat I couldn’t figure out 2+2 😢

I was in ICOC for 10 years, it was so hard to leave when you are brainwashed. I understend everithing what are you talking...when I left I coudn't even put to words what I have been through.

So sad!!! I can relate!! Thank you for your brave testimony! Icoc is a mess❤️

wow, this sounds like a really extreme offshoot of the ICC. Is this Hope church cos I hear that they are classified as a cult in ASU.

As many faults as th icc and icoc have(and there are many) I truly believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and this organization's capacity to do good. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with them. But the focus truly should be on Jesus Christ and I hope you find a Church of true believers who help you in your faith. I hope you are not disheartened and I wish you a life of love peace and fulfillment.

It's so interesting seeing that the legalism is still affecting churches today! Some of the ICOC groups renamed themselves to separate from the legalism. I will say there are some solid folks and fellowships out there genuinely following Jesus, there are those like all denominations that are closer to the law rather than grace. Praying you cling to Jesus! People can make all kinds of mistakes and it stinks! Sorry you had to experience what you did! I was a part of the same fellowship of churches growing up in the 90s and 00s. My father was a church leader for a while then stepped away because he was getting persecuted for just preaching Jesus and not a list of do's and don'ts. Stay prayed up! Jesus is coming soon :)

I'm so sorry you suffered thru this. This group is anti-Christian. Christianity is about freedom and I hope you're enjoying this now. Take care.

Shelby you seem so sweet. This happened to me in a splinter group of LSM another bad group. I feel for you, thank you for sharing this !

Did they force you to sign an NDA before joining their church?

I understand when said you overtaken by a spirit. When i left the icc, I underwent heavy spiritual attack. Very controllling and manipulative members especially the leaders.

Glad you got out safely! God bless you!

I was in the ICC for two and a half years before I decided it was best to leave

I lost my fiancé to this group last year… this gives me hope that he will just open his eyes one day and walk away

Shelby, thanks so much for sharing your story. I was a member of the ICC, before it splintered off into the ICOC. My story had a lot of similarities to yours. I admire you so much for sharing in such a real way. My experiences with this group in Palm Springs messed me up so badly that I became an agnostics.

Hi I appreciate you sharing your story but I am wondering if you still follow the Bible or do you still believe in God??

Thank you for speaking out. I left the ICC this past February and you sharing your experience is extremely powerful. I hope all is well.

You are an amazing person and great speaker!Thank you for your courage to share your experience.

No Nda here & if there is crime involved it wouldn't be valid anyway... Elevate Church started by Matt Wrigler 😉 Also Church using Nda's = Cult 100%

Thank you for sharing. FYI ICC (International Christian Church) is a split from ICOC (International Church of Christ) because ICOC rejected Kim McKean manipulative practices around 2000. Kip McKean then formed ICC. ICOC is reforming but there are still remnants of Kip’s teaching still in the ICOC. I’m a seminary student and I’d love to do an interview with you for my report if you are interested. I would honor your NDA.

This may be dumb but how did u get up onto ur bed lmao

5:41 theres def a demonic spirit behind it

hi. i'm the one who 'catch' by them 7 years ago. i'm from Indonesia and in this country they called GKDI (Gereja Kristus di Indonesia or in english named Christian church at Indonesia). I already leave this church. by the feeling that I got like isolated. I know that is the work of Holy Spirit.

Splinter group is called Elevate Church and the founder is Matt Wirgler

What ever you signed won’t hold up in court.

Thanks for sharing, I’m a student and I had a series of bible studies with some of the ICC members and was about to join the ministry but they never told me the name of the church or larger group which was the ICC until the day before they were going to baptize so I researched the ministry because something about believing I wasn’t saved yet until I got baptized by them didn’t sit right with me. I was still set on joining until my mom got sick and I spent all night at the ER praying for her and ultimately the Lord led me to the decision to not join after much prayer. Grateful the Lord opened my eyes and I still feel bad for ignoring their messages but I was certain it would just lead to them trying to convince me. I’m probably going to still see the members on campus so I’m not quite sure on what do to do.

I was in the Indianapolis branch of the church myself. Was in in for right about two years and I didn't experience it as bad as you did given that I have a wife and wasn't controlable like that. But I know that brothers and sisters household were all very controlled. I pray that you are doing better mentally and getting stronger. I sense your heart and it's so valuable, please don't let them change you. I have to fight myself to not resent them on a regular basis. If it wasn't for the love I have for Jesus and wanting to do right by Him I would be in so much trouble. So I pray that you won't let them mess that up for you, don't let them take away your relationship with Christ our Lord. He is what matters, not an organization like the ICC or ICOC. Appreciate your heart my friend. Now you know what to NOT want in a church. I interviewed the lead pastor at the church I go to now for 2 hrs before finally attending. It's ok to do stuff like that. Praying for you amd look forward to more...thanx

Hey Shelby, I am not sure which Church you was a part of, I am a part of ICC for 14 years and this never happened to me. Have you even thought about speaking to Leadership about how you feel? I think you should go to the Bible and find answers there, at the end of the day, one way or the other, you still gonna face the Lord! What are you doing now right now that defines Discipleship? There is an absolute truth and absolute false. If you was in NY, you wouldn't be going through what you went through. Our Campus Sisters doesn't gets treated like you, our Campus Sisters loves our Church and things are going well with them. I think whoever Disciple you maybe things could had been approached differently! I will honestly say that you are taking many things out of context. Throughout your whole video, you didn't use one scripture which shows this is your feelings over Bible truths! If you ever want to talk, search me on social media. "Davis Abreu" I wish you well Shelby 🙏

Hi, so this is a splinter group from the ICC/ICOC -- what does that mean? Like, they broke away from them and started their own thing, or they were part of it but were "worse" than the other two groups? I ask because I am (and have been for wayyyy too long) writing a book on the ICOC and I'm trying to figure out what you're saying.

Thank you Sweet Dear One for responding to me personally. I will cherish this response as a direct message from God ALMIGHTY. Technology is a wonderful tool to sharing information, love and hope. You are a powerful young lady. I would love to keep in touch forever. Love, Ms. Janice

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What happened that you had to sign a NDA? I was also part of the ICC before they kicked me out.

Please share more. I'm a Mom with a daughter that's been Brainwashed for 26yrs in ICOC. I just found out last year 2023. Since I let her know that I know all hell has broken loose. She's vicious and mean as hell to me trying to protect the cult. I'm your fan now. Keep spilling the beans, it's great mental health therapy

That's so much for sharing this amazing story

Good video. Curious, what do you do now in regards to church? Do you go somewhere? I wonder about people who have left. If they just stop believing. Enjoy

Hey Shelby, random internet person here. Found your video because I'm a Christian and being in grad school I've been able to talk to an ICC person (and other cult people) and just wanna know more about them so I can hopefully nudge that person out of there. I commend you for your courage to put this video out there, you're obviously a very smart and brave person. It makes me especially sad (and mad) that you experienced all this at the hands of people taking up the name of Christ. Salvation is a free gift from God, not a club to threaten people with. The Bible encourages independent thinking, debate, family time, secular work, and all sorts of things this group is afraid of. (not to mention compassion, gentleness, and love) Anyways, thanks for your video. It definitely gives me some perspective on what being in the group is like. I am praying for your ongoing growth and recovery from being in that group. God bless you.

Good for you, welcome back to Arizona. God bless you, from phoenix myself and related to everything you said.

I was in an AoG church for two years in college and my experiences sounded really similar to yours. I wish I hadn’t gotten sucked in and wasted two years of my life but thankfully I’m in a much better spot in my life

I am so sad to hear what you went through and the pressure you felt from people rather than anything from the love of Christ in your life 2 Corinthians 5:14-15. It is definitely not okay to peer pressure any grown adult to do anything they are uncomfortable with. If someone doesn’t want to live for christ or live by the scriptures that’s totally free will up to that person. I’m so sorry for what you’ve experienced 😢 Community is helpful spiritually but should never come from force from people. Acts 4:19-20, Galatians 1:10, 1 Corinthians 12:12-24.

Thank you for sharing!!❤ I’m dealing with my daughter and this group now. Glad you got out 😊

Damn. That is wild. I feel you when you said you don’t remember stuff (and are kind of glad you don’t.) My mom (17) was indoctrinated into a child marriage with my dad (19) they told her god wanted them to be together. That my dad was put here to preach. They were taught to spank us. Apparently there was ‘speaking in tongues’ and a lot of what you called ‘rebuking’ basically just screaming at people. There was writhing on the floor and begging and praying. They did the same thing too, deprived everyone of sleep. This shit is deliberate and methodical and it’s sickening, the people at the top of these cults. Eventually, it being a pretty small cult, it just kind of died out. The guy who ran it is off doing god knows what. I haven’t seen him since I was maybe 6 or 7. Fuck him. We’re 99% he was a malignant narcissist. It is wild out here. Congrats to you for getting out, it’s hard to question when you’ve been indoctrinated ✊✊✊

Really interesting video, super underrated

Fuck that