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Excellent idea, thank you for that

I'm glad you managed to cancel your order, but if you'd havevswen it you would not have been happy

Maybe because they dont fully understand signalling and model companies never tell anyone in their instructions, if they don't know it or have never come across it, they won't know I guess. Personally I've passed a distant at caution and found the next signal clear, my understanding as a Driver was always to be prepared to stop at the next stop signal and reduced speed accordingly , on the routes I drove on, it usually meant the level crossing hadn't been opened for my passage through yet, but once around the corner, it was usually pulled off

Thank you so much for your kind words - I'm so very pleased you found it interesting, it means a great deal to me to get such positive feedback on a subject like signals that I dared to discuss - very pleased we have European viewers too, Hello there Denmark 🇩🇰

I've got such a big smile on.my face after reading your comment - I couldn't possibly respond to that 😂

Wow - whst an achievement Sir, if anyone would know anything, then it has to be you, brilliant memories of the 85 open day at Canton, one of the best I ever attended, thank you for your service to the 47s and congratulations on a great work record

@@user-cb9im9uv6e now I didnt know of that problem, nearly bought a heljan 86 last month for posterity sake having driven the real thing - 86214 Thanks for that info and your comment

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway Compared to the bachmann 85, it did run a bit rough. It has eased out a bit now, and runs ok.

@@headsup2433 It certainly dors cause concern that on the 3rd attempt the model is clearly one of the worst representations of such an iconic Locomotive, with manufacturers now scanning the real thing, it begs the question, how did they manage to get it so wrong? Thanks for your comment

Yes indeed, I thought I mentioned that? The Stop signal is the section signal to the box in the rear, the Distant is from the box in advance, in anycase the distant cannot be cleared if the section signal above is at danger due to interlocking on the signal itself.

I cannot comment about signalling on LU as I have no knowledge of anything to do with LU

French Patio Doors with Broom Handles as windscreen wipers 😂

I'm sure there's alot of us about, looking back we only now realise how foolish we were.

Hi there Mark, the model wasn't bought by himself, it was bought by me as a gift. It was a decent price and looked okay at my initial assessment as well as some of the reviews by Hornby magazine. However after getting it home and doing some further research I learnt otherwise so that'd be my fault 😅

If you listen carefully to the video, I clearly state that the model was bought for me as a present so I could hardly check before purchasing it when I didn't buy it in the first place. No this is not a regular occurance, no I havnt beenndiappointed before by a heljan class 47, I have over 20 of the older models with only 1 suffering mazak rot. Hope that answers all your queries.

I did listen to what you said, you said it was purchased the at the NEC show (Key Model World Live ?) from the Heljan trade stand, you did not mention that it was bought for you ! In which case I happily withdraw my observation, as I assumed (wrongly) that you had bought it for yourself, in which case my observations remain correct. I do not disagree with your overall findings so much as your tabloid approach to how you report your findings. Unfortunately the alternate (and I agree better) Bachmann models are now selling at a similar price to the Heljan units both new and s/h and the SFX versions are very rare. Lioke toy I hope Cavalex or Accurascale are doing a similar project in the backjground. As you suggest if they do not sell the price will drop and if the discount is big enough may tempt some modellers, who cannot find a recent Bachmann version. PS I do like your content normally so am now a subriber !

Apologies then Mark, from me to you, I honestly thought I'd stated it was bought for me. Yes indeed, the prices are comparable with bachmanns, personally I think all these "gimmics" are getting silly, gold reflective windscreens, rotating fans, I dont see how it is necessary, all reflected in the price of course, it wouid be great to see accurscale produce a 47 in direct competition, their prices are I feel justified for a basic model, I'm sure the detail would be more down to the tiny things. Incidentally I forgot to include that the engine room detail is simply printed onto the small engine room windows! I'd added engine room detail to a few 47s myself way back in the 1990s using thin plastic rod to replicate pipework and affixed to the inside bodyshell after appropriate painting, there were also engine room detail kits available I seem to remember, buy can't remember who by, for class 47s, now it seems the tiniest of derail sky rockets priced. Thank you for subscribing and for your informative comment, oncevagain, please accept my sincere apologies for the incorrect statement by myself.

We hadn't planned on doing a video on such, we fear it would lead to a plethora of people quoting rules and regulations, exceptions to the rule and opening a can of worms. We don't want to get involved in lengthy debates of this and that, there's plenty of publications readily available on the subject of signalling and I suggest you keep a look out for these as well as any books showing track diagrams, which should also show signals used. At the end of the day, it's a model railway and not the real thing , and there's too many people expecting to be fully trained signalman at the end of such a video, I was a Driver, so obviously I know what signal applied to what particular stretch of line I signed for, I appreciate this may not be the answer desired, but honestly signalling is a minefield, each region had their own Divisional instructions and exceptions, it would I feel require a fully fledged signalman to produce such a video, and its something I personally don't want to take on board. Thanks for your comment, sorry I can't help further. The basic rule of thumb for semaphore signals at junctions is, a signal for a diverging route, wouid have a 2nd smaller post attached on a 90 degree gantry. The taller signal would be for the main line, if the main line goes straight ahead, then it would be to the right hand side on the gantry, if it was to the left, then the tall signal wouid be to the left, the diverging route would haveva shorter post, on the right if the route went right, or left if it went left, it there were 3 routes, then 3 signal posts wouid be atrached,, the smaller the post the more divergent the route, so it would be tall, small, smaller, or small tall small, or even tall, smaller , small. Best look at pictures to get a better idea, it's surprising what is available on Google just to get an idea.

@hortoncommonmodelrailway thanks so much, that's really helpful 😊

@@jonsloftrailway Really? Lol well glad it helped

Didn't mean to whinge but glad you realised my dilemma - mind you, it was well worth whinging about I thought 😂- thanks for your comment, I will be more careful in future lol.

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway sometimes we all need to give companies a verbal dressing down. Hope you get your money back.

@@neiloflongbeck5705 yes we got it back, buy not in full, because they sneakily and illegally charged in Danish Króna at the NEC where my son bought it, they refunded on the daily exchange rate - naughty naughty naughty - highly suspect

A reliable model but sits too high on the bogies, removing 2mm from each of the height lugs either side of the bogie and a further 2mm off the conical cone makes it sit much lower and not only looks better but performs better - but that's just my opinion and I take no responsibility for anyone trying it out themselves who then decides they dont like the look

Very glad that we did! Thanks for your encouraging comment

It's to protect the polished handles and levers from perspiration (sweat) which would lead to rust forming, interiors of signal boxes were the pride and joy of signalman and staff, heaven forbid a blemish on their levers or brass plungers when the signalling inspector came to visit- they cleaned their equipment in their signal boxes meticulously. Hope that answers your question

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway Thank you kindly for the reply, that's very interesting indeed and I feel nowadays we need to take more pride in things like this again :-)

There was always a feeling of Pride in the job, in every manual levered signalbox across the network, I've never seen a dirty signalbox, other than a closed down, abandoned, no longer used one, Dawlish Warren 1985 springs to mind, and Wye 2023 is another. When I started on the railway in May 78 as a mere boy, I was sent to the box at our station to see how a signalman did his job, after a few days the signalman trusted me to pull the levers, rule one hebsaid, never touch a lever without using a duster, if I catch you doing so, you never set foot in my signalbox again - stern words never to be forgotten, over the tears I forged many many string friendships with signalman, always tooted their box as I passed (I was a Driver by then) to thank them for a safe passage through their patch, still have ex signalman friends to this day.

Honestly can't see that happening, but could see Bachmann buying Hornby!

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway that would be really interesting, but I bet Hornby's prices would rocket 🚀. Could see an improvement in quality though!

@@Gatherleymodeller. wouldn't be Hornbybtho would it if Bavhmann bought them.out, it'd be Bachmann lol - but they've got way over inflated in their wildest dream prices a terrible AI marketing manager who has no idea how to speak when conducting a review, sounds like a child lol 😂

Thank you, glad you approved

Yes Dave, we didn't dwell too much on the faults as you yourself had pretty much covered the same discrepancies in your own review, hence why we directed viewers to your own channel to see and hear what you thought about it. Thanks for watching Dave Best wishes John, Jamie and Lewis.

Yes I agree, and then just think for a moment........whst we inhaled as kids back then, no one even gave it a second thought.......today, pass wind, and the whole world is up in arms about the damage you've done to the ozone layer and how you've made an effect on global warming. We lived with untold risks every single day, yet we survived. Thanks for your informative comment

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway love learning about the history of smoking and tobacco companies and gotta say the absolute best thing I've ever learned is that some wise guy really thought putting asbestos in the filters was a good idea 🤣 double your deadliness. Also the filters do just about nothing to mitigate what you inhale with each drag, they are PH sensitive and that's what gives the yellowing of the filter as you smoke it to give the impression that some of the nasties are being kept back. May as well just smoke unfiltered in reality filtered only became the norm to sell the idea of "smoothness" in some brands which then became desirable so they all ended up filtered for no real reason.

@trainskitsetc hence I gave up 10 years ago, Malborough contained Salt Petet, JOS had asbestos in the filters, Players Senior Setvice had no filters.

Got the refund but not what was paid, they refunded at exchange rate of Danish Króna to GBP which I think is disgusting - to be charge 1590 Króna in England, at the Key World Model Event at NEC by Heljan Marketing manager himself David Jones is disgraceful, I'm sure it's illegal to trade in a foreign currency out of the home country especially as we are now out of Europe with Brexit and for them to refund at a lower rate is just plain theft! Certainly won't ever purchase Heljan ever again

So glad you found it useful. X8849 parts are now becoming increasingly rarer to get, and there are 3 different types, which doesn't make matters easier. But X7613 another idler gear will fit and far cheaper to buy - hope this helps. Thank you for your comment

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway after following you instructions i managed to get the right running gear from peters spares cost about £15. thanks again

@@MrWozzy28 yes that's about right, X7813s are currently £3.99, and........mif you knock out the spindle, reverse the large gear, eeplace on the spindle it will replace a broken idler gear in a Britannia model too

Originally built they were indeed known as a Brush Type 4, after TOPs came in on 1972 then they were known as class 47, today they are more commonly referred to as a class 47, just as Westerns were 1000s they're more commonly known as Westerns or Class 52s, all depends on age I think, I'm 62 but to me will always be class 47

When first built they were indeed known as Brush Type 4s, following the introduction TOPs in 1972 they were reclassified as class 47 today they are more commonly known as Class 47, enthusiasts are getting younger and wouid be known as either a Brush, Brush 47 or class 47. Westerns were 1000s, but when reclassified known as Westerns or Class 52s, and so it goes on, I think it all depends on which era you knew them as. When I trained on them.they were known as Class 47

It was far better than what they're offering now by a long shot, admittedly it was wrong but passable I thought, I have several, but dont run them as I've changed my era. Thanks for your comment

In a nutshell - yeah me too from now on.

Sadly yes you're right, today's manufacturers think we will just accept anything these days and be grateful, but thankfully we are not "starved" of better quality from.other manufacturers, the playing field is now open to everyone. Thanks very much for your comment

Welcome to our channel, glad we helped

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Yes I'm afraid I have to agree with you

Ridiculously, unacceptably overpriced

Just no comparison to a Bachmann 47 is there? The faults on the heljan model just scream at you, especially the roof, makes you wonder how on earth did they manage to get it so wrong??? Thanks for your comment, glad you changed your mind.

I most certainly wouldn't call any Locomotive over £200 a plastic toy, nor would I spend that amount on a "plastic toy" Scale model is more of a better description I think, except this wasnt even to scale - thanks for your comment, tri-ang Hornby didn't produce a 47 for a while, when it came out it was under the "Silver Seal" label, but it was far more accurate than heljans current offering,

I've not had any problems with Dapol - at the moment that is.

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway There is good reason I refer to them as Crapol. Although I will concede that they have improved significantly since Dave Jones (of DJM bankruptcy and taking peoples money for unfulfilled projects fame) left the building, I still refuse to buy any of their products. My uncle bought a class 22 and sent it to me to DCC sound fit, easy plug and play job...except for the shite PCB component tolerance mismatching which made trying to sort out motor control a complete nightmare. I wound up stripping out the PCB and fitting a board in sourced from Athearn Genesis as they supply decent quality NMRA compliant spare parts that actually work with pretty much all decoders out of the box with no fuss (not just your own brand crap), even if shipping from the US costs a bit of a premium.

@@Simon-Davis that was very interesting reading, quite a few things there I didn't know and its always nice to learn sinething new and worthwhile thanks for your most informative comment.

Was sent back to Heljan in Denmark 🇩🇰

Nice one - gotta love a 47 I think 😂

And yet according to a viewer of the channel yesterday, - "I expect too much for a 200 Euro loco" - I expect it to be right - I dont call that expecting too much. Yes I think lots of bachmann staff in hospital due to split sides and strained stomach muscles from laughing lol Thanks for you comment

@hortoncommonmodelrailway """expect too much?""" Jesus H christ, for the money these things command now, I think we're in our right to expect a model to be somewhere like it but this latest effort is so far wide of the mark, its embarrassing. Heljan have form for this sort of thing. They were told early on about the issues this had in the CAD'S etc, but they do what they always do, they ignore the advice and this is the result.

Thank you for your comment glad you approve of the video

Well, sounds you had a hell of a job with yours! Yrs fixing on detail at both ends seem ridiculous to me, someone said the lights operated via wand? I never had a wand with mine, buy perhaps you can tell.me if that's right or wrong please? I take it you missed a comment made last night by someone, which I later deleted coz the guy was clearly a graduate of the "Miserable Sod Society", and using his words about me:- "You expect too much, and a model costing 200 Euro blah blah blah. I've had 47 yrs of experience with model railways and I don't care about your disposition, you expect too much." After telling him I had 17 yrs experience with the real class 47, and experiencevwith two model railway manufacturers including within the design of models, and 55 yrs experience in the world if model railways was the final straw for him lol 😂 Thanks for your entertaining comment.

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway No wands with the loco, the lights operated in direction of travel, i.e. headcode and white marker going forward, red tail light.

@@fieldshuntcontactor8163 thanks for the confirmation, I thought it so wrong that Heljan have virtually told Modellers that they have to use DCC in order to have full control of the lighting functions, I have up on DCC as it was getting too stupid and expensive for words in my honest opinion, yet bachmann and hornby have switches for the purchaser to choose from - very strange

Wow what a shock - good job you dud check, Heljan are bad for quality control, but Hornby is far far worse

@@hortoncommonmodelrailway That’s very worrying that quality control is even worse on Hornby , With higher prices that ourselves the modeler has to pay the quality control should be higher prior to us taking out of the box for the first time no matter what manufacturer we have purchased our latest investment in .