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I would like to say regarding stations is that both Milton line and Peterborough line trains can serve both Union Station and North Toronto station, it will make the crowds go from packed to the most busiest stations in Toronto with not one, but two GO Transit stations. Both with diesel power, if EMUs on GO Transit and Diesel come across on the preservative of Toronto's Union Station. It will become train station in Canadian history to serve both diesel and electric for GO Transit while VIA Rail and Amtrak continue to use diesel locomotives for their passenger trains However! There's word that in the future, there will be a return of Amtrak from Chicago to Toronto, Ontario, Canada with the expansion of the Wolverine service and it should begin service in 2027 in Canada and it will be serving at least 8 Amtrak trains with the Maple Leaf and the Wolverine in the Toronto area What I see in Peterborough is a potential GO Transit and VIA Rail hub as GO Transit should have a line to Peterborough, but I would like to see GO Transit extend all the way to Ottawa, Sudbury and Kingston, Ontario But I would consider Kingston as the future extension of the Lakeshore East Line as it would take GO Transit only 2 hours to go from Toronto to Kingston, Ontario, Canada and it should be worth it as it would avoid conflict with freight trains and it should help VIA Rail as well in order to reduce delays However! The North Toronto station needs to be renovated for GO Transit services and future VIA Rail services as well VIA Rail needs to have more high speed rail in Toronto and surrounding areas, but we need more VIA Rail corridors than just one in order to improve VIA Rail service and it needs to avoid conflict with freight trains

0:57 - GO = Greater Ontario

Some of these proposals you are making are somewhat Misguided

This is tricky because there are still lots of Yards and Customers along the Midtown line and the Freight Railroads generally dont like to Share track so theyd both probably be hostile towards this plan since they dont want to do anything that would hurt their Bottom line

Id personally call this the Mississauga bypass

5:56 not possible as the TTC is publicly owned and operated, whereas all the other surrounding areas are privately

5:37 they now have the One Fare system. So if you start your trip on a GO Train or bus, you don’t have to pay the TTC fare

Transit, anything other than car-focused developed (even bike lanes) are so unbelievably politicized that it's actually comical because everyone knows how busy the transit system is, and how desperately people need alternative transport/added capacity and connectivity. It's just stupid

Great video! I know you are more focused on TO, and maybe have less knowledge on other cities, but I would love a similar video explaining how to improve Montreal's EXO lines!

I’m curious if you, or anyone has any insight into the proposed Caledonia station on the Barrie Go line. All the information I can find online says that the Go station was approved years ago and was to start construction in 2021, but I haven’t been able to find any reasons why it was never commenced. I assume covid was a factor, but I’m really interested to know if it’s ever going to get going. Surely they can’t be waiting until the Eglinton line is complete or the Go corridor is widened?

This Video is a waste of time. My Opnion is how can Doug Ford build more trains or LRTS or dig more subways tunnels or LRT Tunnels or the infamous that makes no sense word on the street says in toronto ontario build a massive underground highway 401 tunnel when young adults and adults are not working theres NO JOb in ontario most still living with Seniors mom and father at home or apartment and others homeless people how can doug ford build all of these massive among massive multi billion dollar transit projects on Empty Tax money in the goverment pocket like doug ford or federal government when this issue of young adults adults not working not producing tax money is not only toronto ontario or all of ontario but canada wide all of canada to like word of streets in toronto people says Makes NO sense from doug ford well those are words of the streets in toronto ontario people says i hear not from me

Provincial should by TTC

I mean the fare integration actually does solve a lot of issues. I literally used the stouffville line the other day due to a subway shut down to get to don mills and sheppard. It cost only a little more than subway fare

TTC always meant 'take the car'.

Also Metrostinks controls the RTC on the lines that they own, not CN or CPKC.

Electric Locomotives do not necessarily accelerate faster than diesel locomotives because acceleration depends on force or "tractive effort", weight on powered wheels; they do however accelerate for a longer time as they have higher power. From Newton's laws a = F/m so force controls initial acceleration; however F = P/v so higher power will allow for higher maximum force. Acceleration is limited to about 1 m/s/s due to human factors. Since power = speed times force, P = Fv, there is a point called the maximum power point where P = Fv. Once you go past this speed the force drops off and the acceleration decreases until you reach a point where it just equals the frictional forces and this is the balance speed, Friction = maximum force at speed. EMUs accelerate faster because they have more powered axles and more tractive effort. If GO used two 2,000 hp locomotives per train instead of one 4,000 hp one they could accelerate faster as the initial tractive effort would be higher.

The thing that isn't mentioned is that having bus stops in different parts of the city makes it easier for people who don't have cars and who don't live anywhere close to the central station since our bus ride to the bus stop becomes shorter. I would take an outdoor station close to me over an extra 45 minutes since it adds to the trip.

I wonder if the area under/around the high-voltage transmission lines could be used as the right-of-way for this new "missing link". That could potentially make the expropriation costs much cheaper!

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I would love to see a new Go line that runs from Port Credit up to Kipling and along the Toronto North corridor all the way to UoT Scarborourgh and then down to Pickering. Most of the track already exists, as do some of the stations, and it would fix so many connection issues we have in Toronto. Ideally this route wouldn't use the full double decked Go trains used on the other existing routes, but rather would use new trains similar to the Montreal RER system which consist of 2-4 self-propelled electric train cars

It would be very helpful seeing a GO station at the original Summerhill Station

It doesn’t sound like you’re aware of the OneFare program that’s been in place for months already.

Give this guy a job, why can’t our province figure this out

While ago, transit, maybe to infrequent to run a reliable service at the moment that is going to change with go expansion, though we should have a short term solution until the expansion is completed

I would like to point out that within the GTA pass passengers do not have to pay different fares between transit agencies. There is now the one fair program where you can switch between agencies so that is no longer a problem.

Pioneer Village station is pretty much at the York University campus, so there is really no need to take that one-stop subway trip.

I think that Sportsworld is a very poor choice of a bus stop, primarily because it takes so long to get from the main population centres of the region to it. Kitchener and Waterloo have more people than Cambridge, and Sportsworld is kind of in no man's land between the two. All of this doesn't account for the fact that students disproportionately ride these buses and all the students are in a relatively small area of Waterloo

One of the flaws in urban planning back in the 50s and 60s was that major developments, such as Malton airport, York University, and Square One ignored the existing rail transportation corridors and were placed just far enough away from the rail corridors that it would cost billions of dollars to connect them and the only easy way to access them was by automobile. Furthermore one of the limitations of the engineering of the UPX was that it must conform to the preexisting maze of roadways. I live in London, Ontario, and there is no public transportation connection to Pearson. If the terminals at Pearson had been built on top of the existing rail corridor, rather than a pointless km away, then the two transportation modes would have combined to benefit both, and major investments to apply bandaids would have been avoided. I agree that when something is marketed as Express it should not make intermediate stops and should operate on a dedicated right of way which permits it to travel at the pull engineered speed of the right of way.

Also the Bombardier dual power locomotives will only haul 8 coaches in diesel mode so they are basically useless.

They do not need to buy new sets of EMUs and their system where a lot of the service is on CN and CP tracks who will not allow electrification. The ideal trains would be Stadler FLIRTs which can run as Diesel Electric Multiple Units or Electric Multiple units so no need to change modes. Since GO has a lot of bi-levels a solution would be to convert them to Flirt like service by adding a power unit as the FLIRTS have and putting them in a group of 6 bi-levels. The end two bi-levels would be cab cars then the next car in would be a standard bi-level or accessibility coach then on either side of the power unit would be a powered coach. The power to weight ratio with 1/3 of the coaches powered is similar to modern EMU equipment and would provide better acceleration. The lake shore line runs 10 minute service now so getting it up to every 15 minutes has already happened. Lakeshore East Stouffleville each will have only 2 tracks from Union to Scarborough as there is no room for an extra express track on each and according to the latest plans each will run on separate tracks, but that can change. There would be no need to run a mix of diesel and electric trains as this equipment can run on both power systems. Further more the equipment can keep running during a power failure and since the cars can get their power from the overhead in the yards there would be no need to have some one go around and plug the cars in at the end of service and unplug them at the start. GO studies showed that EMUs can cut about 25% from the existing running times so less equipment to run the existing service. In case you have been out of touch with reality Presto is now a one fare system for the GTHA so remove that part of your video as it is wrong. Trying to replace line 2 with the Milton line is not possible as it does not run close enough nor have enough stops. Forget about North Toronto Sub as CP will never let you run that level of service, especially electric on their lines. TTC line 1 has the ETCS so it is already here so it will work but the problem is VIA and CN and to some extent CP have trackage rights to run on GO lines so the system has to be compatible with their trains. You guys need to get your heads out of your arses and do some real research into what is practical and stop thinking in the predefined modes of Metrostinks.

I think GO should run EMUs on shortened routes with more frequent stops, mostly within Toronto. The traditional Bi-level diesel electric trains can continue to service all full routes at minimum 30min intervals, with some stops skipped so they act more like express trains compared to the EMU routes that would stop more frequently

I love your videos

Agree with everything except double tracking the Richmond Hill line through the Don Valley. Unless we resurrect the old CPR line, turn the Don Mills rail trail back into a railroad, and even still I just don't see it happening. We'd have better luck converting DVP to rail, lol.

We need a system like London where you can use TfL (Transport For London - Underground, Overground, Bus) or National Rail services throughout London and the surrounding area with either an Oyster (like Presto) card, or any contactless credit card (physical cards or on your smartphone - better than Oyster in the sense which is a stored value card you need top top up) and you get the best fare automatically for your journey. Also a daily/weekly/monthly cap is applied based on what zones you travel within, or to/from. You can create an account if you want to (not mandatory) which will allow you to review your journeys & charges online. Based on your journeys payments are distributed in a calculated ratio between TfL or the National Rail provider to keep the service provider happy. There's really no reason this couldn't work between the TTC and Metrolinx the way it does between TfL and National Rail companies.

No, GO Transit should not be serving London, Ontario. VIA provides better service between London and Toronto. For example, VIA offers Business Class (Club Car) service on their trains to London. GO would not offer the same thing. And at 5:14, there is no double fare to go from York Region Transit to the TTC now. There is one fare integration now in the GTA and has been for several months prior to this video being released.

The staccato stoping and starting, the waiting for the doors to open, the constant announcements, and the general sluggishness makes Go unpleasant. I don't know why it cannot operate more efficiently and cleanly. The snails pace docking into Union Station alone is absolutely nerve wracking....more stops would make it unbearable

Switching to all electric GO trains over current diesel electric locomotives will do nothing to improve transit times. It will merely be a $30B bill to make people feel good that they went “green”. Even with EMUs a trip from Barrie will only shave about 10 minutes off the run. More track is good but many suggested solutions out there to the mentioned issues do not pass the cost/benefit analysis

Another solution to integration, from a governance perspective, might be to make the individual transit agencies divisions of Metrolinx, and provide the municipalities a greater degree of influence within the organization.

You do realize that GO transit is a very different system than the TTC. You can't compare subway trains that are for short distances over comutter trains for longer distances. And GO transit to London was tried but went back to Via rail. You do realize that the province is responsible for the subway and the Crosstown LRT ( the LRT still has no opening date, thanks for nothing Doug Ford!).

Isn’t the one fare recently implemented? That was announced not too long ago

Looking at the map of potential intermediate stations, I think John Tory saddled the system with a bad legacy in his proposal for a King-Liberty stop. A better option would have been a Fort York station at Bathurst and Front, the last point where the Lakeshore West, Kitchener and Barrie lines share the same corridor. It would give high frequency, high capacity service for people travelling from the downtown core to Liberty Village and the east side of Parkdale. It would also mean shorter trip times and easier transfers for anyone coming from the north whose destination is in the west, and vice versa. If Go was running EMUs you could support the short spacing between Fort York and King-Liberty, or Fort York and Exhibition, but with loco hauled trains it doesn’t make sense.

Have you looked at the new REM system in Montreal, regional rail with light rail vehicles and frequent service. Montreal uses a zone system for fares, so whether I ride the local system (STM), the heavy rail regional (exo), or the REM, I pay the same fare.

Metrolinx is stacked with TTC pensioners anyway. No employee raiding necessary.

“The waterfront east extension will probably take longer than ten Ontario line to build.” Meanwhile my 12 year old daughter wasn’t even conceived yet when the Eglinton crosstown’s shovel went in the ground. Who’s really the incompetent organization of the two?

The GOExpansion project is fixing litreally all of these problems. New stations downtown, every 5 or 10 minute 2 way service on all lines (except the RH), electrification, Eurpean Train Control System Signalling, Integration with buses at most new stations, double tracking on most single track lines to enable better service frequencies, better station design across the board with many stations being revamped. As for the fares, I have heard talk of completely subsuming the TTC into Metrolinx which might help. We don't really want the TTC running everything, they're a bit useless.

Instant ramen? Sure! Instant follow? Heck yeah. I saw what you did there with, "better way." Clever shit. 10/10

I’ve never been to Toronto and I’m not familiar with the geography but I think there should be a circle/loop line going around downtown connecting all the lines together. It would take pressure of Union Station and encourage growth outside of the city core. I don’t know if this is even feasible or what right of way this would take. If a new right if way is needed then land acquisition alone would be a significant challenge

The TTC is less involved in transit expansion due to provincial legislation.

One thing to keep in mind regarding inconvenient transfers between subway and GO is that in many cases the TTC stations were there before GO started service on the respective lines so there was no need for a connection to be made. Oriole is an exception as that was to be a project that never happened.

A high farebox recovery ratio means that the transport agency is able to cover a certain or all of the costs of operating the service. This has nothing to do with profitability as it does not include ancillary sources of revenue and does not include maintenance costs and capital expenditure. While YRT may have a 50% farebox recovery compared to the TTC's 60%, it would be much cheaper to subsidise the YRT, as its only buses and BRT's as they are cheaper to operate. Amtrak has a 95% recovery ratio but has never been profitable.