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Two Guys, Two Dogs, Four Wheels. We are Andrew & Jamie. Two guys from Northamptonshire with a passion for our travels and our motorhome! Our dogs are Oreo (Miniature Colourful Yorkshire terrier) and Zorro (Toy Poodle). We purchased our first motorhome, ‘Betty’ (the four wheels) a Bailey Autograph 75-2 in May 2021 as a switch from owning caravans, before trading up in June 2022 to our current motorhome - Aurora - a new AutoTrail Tracker LB. Our main portal for our adventures can be found on our Instagram channel: the.tracker.travels
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Do we really like this? | SWIFT TREKKER | PRACTICAL CAMPER at £73,700 | Motorhomes in 2024
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Well in short - yes we do! This is a smart, practical and modern camper from Swift and offers not only an alternative to their mainstream but also a competitor to the likes of the Bailey Endeavour. Our honest view is that whilst the Swift and Bailey offerings by layout, size, base vehicle and function are very similar on paper, they likely serve different buyers in the market. Would you agree? ...
SWIFT WARRANTY WORK | BAILEY ENDEAVOUR and ELDDIS AUTOQUEST 155 get a little look | DON AMOTT
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We have owned our Swift Escape 694 for a couple of months now and 500 miles in we have just two snags for warranty. There was an issue with the habitation door frame - the catches/stays on the frame would not stay in place as we could not adjust the bolts as they were hidden behind the fly screen unit. Also a small panel under the cupboards had dropped and this needed repairing. Two months in -...
BUDGET FRIENDLY MOTORHOMES | For £25k to £30k | Family and 2-Berth are plentiful from 2008-13 ranges
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What can £25,000 to £30,000 get you when looking at a pre-loved motorhome? How new can you get from a main and independent dealer? We have found a good selection out there from the forecourts backed by the dealers that are of quality, in good condition and well cared for - often with a reasonably low mileage too! We have included just a small selection in this video as examples but you can find...
BAILEY ALORA MOTORHOMES | Quick look at the range | COMPACT STYLISH MOTORHOME | The best compact?
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In todays video we look at the alluring Alora from Bailey. This is a compact, narrow body motorhome, sitting on the Ford Cab and skeletal chassis. at 6.94m long and 2.1m wide, they really do pack a lot into this motorhome. We are impressed! There are quite a few of these for sale across the UK right now in stock on the 2024 MY - discounts are abound and vary significantly from one dealer to ano...
PROFITS and LOSS for manufacturers | USED PRICES are coming down but STILL NOT ENOUGH!
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In this VLOG we look at the profit and loss in the big three manufactures in the UK and we visit our local dealer as we discuss whether the price of used motorhomes is coming down enough. Not a doom and gloom VLOG but hopefully some insight to help owners and potential buyers. We are not convinced yet that they have come back down to a realistic level and motorhomes that are now 5 years old are...
MOTORHOME PRICES DOWN! | DISCOUNTS EVERYWHERE | OVERSUPPLY | Is this why dealers are closing?
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In this vlog we present a market update for July 2024 and the competition is becoming more intense, offers from manufacturers and dealers are abound plus there is quite an oversupply in the market place right now. Could this mean we are seeing the relevelling? Part ex prices are lowering and reductions are there in used prices too on forecourts. So are we getting back to more reasonable prices ...
Sad day as ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION lands! BROADLANE LEISURE call time on CARAVANS and MOTORHOMES
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This one is a shock! A stalwart of the industry for over 50 years, this family run business has been loved and popular for all this time but finally had to call in the administrators. We have been two-time customers with our caravans from here so do feel sorry for the great team that have lost their livelihoods. Caravan Industry Expert - @caravanindustryexpertandyjenk on You Tube Atlantic Carav...
Arriving at CAMC Great Yarmouth Racecourse | PITCHED in a RACETRACK | RAIN and ILLNESS strike!
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Well the weekend at Great Yarmouth did not go as planned! The rain came in and illness strikes for Andy! Find out how bad it's got at the end! For site map, route map and visitor information follow this link to the CAMC website: www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-sites/england/east-anglia/norfolk/great-yarmouth-racecourse-club-campsite/ Thank you for tuning in to the travels of the Two Guys, Two Dogs, ...
UPDATES | Camping in a RACECOURSE | EUROPE in 2024 as plan to hit FRANCE and SPAIN | MOTORHOME Trips
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Some small snags with the new motorhome, July plans in the UK and what do we have in store for summer 2024? Well.... we are heading back into Europe and as far south in Spain as we can get. Links the sites we have booked for the summer tour include: (1) Les Castels Chateau L'eperviere www.les-castels.co.uk/camping/les-castels-chateau-de-leperviere (2) Yelloh! Les Tropiques www.yellohvillage.co....
MOTORHOME UPGRADES | Motorhome AIR-CON, WIFI and AWNING and we test them out at FERRY MEADOWS CAMC!
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We upgrade the motorhome! This was our third upgrade package with Auto Additions - one on each motorhome we have had and really pleased with the new Air Conditioning - the Truma Aventa Comfort, the motorhome Wi Fi with the Max View 5G and the Thule Omnistor 4m white awning. All working well on this first test weekend. Couple of warranty jobs have popped up - always something as the vehicle sett...
FRANCE in a MOTORHOME - We return to MERVILLE-FRANCEVILLE-PLAGE. Stay at LE POINT DU JOUR campsite
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Here we return to a site we visited in 2023 on a great location on the Normandy coast and beaches at Merville-Franceville-Plage near Caen. We arrived here in time to see the start of the D Day 80th celebrations and once again get the dogs their tapeworm tablets for our return home. We used the same Vet Algia in the town, literally just across the road from the Seasonova Le Point Du Jour. We als...
TAKE A PEEK. Like looking at motorhomes? Take a TOUR of our MOTORHOME: the 2024 SWIFT ESCAPE 694.
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Here we give you a first look at our new motorhome from the outside and inside. Our upgrades will be coming in another video very soon! Thank you for tuning in to the travels of the Two Guys, Two Dogs, Four Wheels. We are by no means experts or professional You Tubers but we have a passion for our motorhome and travels in the UK and Europe. We come from a family background of caravan holidays f...
SWIFT ESCAPE | Getting Upgrade Ready | MOTORHOME
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SWIFT ESCAPE | Getting Upgrade Ready | MOTORHOME
ANOTHER DEALER GONE? The Caravan Company closes its NORTHAMPTONSHIRE site - with IMMEDIATE EFFECT!
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ANOTHER DEALER GONE? The Caravan Company closes its NORTHAMPTONSHIRE site - with IMMEDIATE EFFECT!
YELLOH! Les Sirenes has a CENTER PARCS feel! CAMPSITE in the VENDEE Pays de la Loire - May 2024
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YELLOH! Les Sirenes has a CENTER PARCS feel! CAMPSITE in the VENDEE Pays de la Loire - May 2024
NEW SWIFT ESCAPE 694 MOTORHOME - it is collection day from DON AMOTT and set up at FERRY MEADOWS
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NEW SWIFT ESCAPE 694 MOTORHOME - it is collection day from DON AMOTT and set up at FERRY MEADOWS
Full CAMPSITE TOUR of Eden Villages L'Ocean, on Ile de Re, FRANCE. CAMPING, MOTORHOMES, CARAVANS
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Full CAMPSITE TOUR of Eden Villages L'Ocean, on Ile de Re, FRANCE. CAMPING, MOTORHOMES, CARAVANS
ROAD TRIP to ILE DE RE as we tour FRANCE in our MOTORHOME in May 2024
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ROAD TRIP to ILE DE RE as we tour FRANCE in our MOTORHOME in May 2024
DELAYS and BUSY! Black Horse Farm & Le Shuttle as we head to FRANCE
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DELAYS and BUSY! Black Horse Farm & Le Shuttle as we head to FRANCE
CARAVAN to MOTORHOME. What LEISURE vehicles have we had? WHY DID WE SWITCH?
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CARAVAN to MOTORHOME. What LEISURE vehicles have we had? WHY DID WE SWITCH?
NEW MOTORHOME REVEALED - But, what did we choose? Did we STICK or TWIST in our choice? DRUMROLL
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NEW MOTORHOME REVEALED - But, what did we choose? Did we STICK or TWIST in our choice? DRUMROLL
MOTORHOME PRICES - ELDDIS - What is happening with DISCOUNTS and PRICE CUTS? Latest update VLOG
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MOTORHOME PRICES - ELDDIS - What is happening with DISCOUNTS and PRICE CUTS? Latest update VLOG
TRAFFIC and ARRIVAL FAIL! LATE, but do we get in? Weekend in the SUN at Seacroft CAMC, eventually!
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TRAFFIC and ARRIVAL FAIL! LATE, but do we get in? Weekend in the SUN at Seacroft CAMC, eventually!
SHORTLIST. Can you GUESS what our NEW MOTORHOME is? SWIFT or BAILEY or ADRIA or AUTO-TRAIL?
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SHORTLIST. Can you GUESS what our NEW MOTORHOME is? SWIFT or BAILEY or ADRIA or AUTO-TRAIL?
Motorhome Search - NEW MOTORHOME? Auto Trail Excel 690L - IS THIS ON OUR LIST?
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Motorhome Search - NEW MOTORHOME? Auto Trail Excel 690L - IS THIS ON OUR LIST?
SOLD? The end? FIAT 500 towed car (the TOAD). Will she find a NEW HOME?
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SOLD? The end? FIAT 500 towed car (the TOAD). Will she find a NEW HOME?
£105000 MOTORHOMES! 20 years ago this was a HOUSE! ADRIA - AUTO-TRAIL - SWIFT luxury motorhomes
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£105000 MOTORHOMES! 20 years ago this was a HOUSE! ADRIA - AUTO-TRAIL - SWIFT luxury motorhomes
Far from sorted... MOTORHOME PRICES BOUNCING AROUND. Mini update on some recent price reductions.
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Far from sorted... MOTORHOME PRICES BOUNCING AROUND. Mini update on some recent price reductions.
HELP! Our Biggest Motorhome Mistake. We got a SINKING feeling - Bailey Motorhome V Mini-Tractor!
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HELP! Our Biggest Motorhome Mistake. We got a SINKING feeling - Bailey Motorhome V Mini-Tractor!
Thks for vid.. Surely at the end of summer season prices will be better. If there is going to be an economic downturn/less customers (esp when camp site and cost of livibg prices are high).
Enjoy your holiday..... a great area!!
Thank you… enjoying being back in France and Spain shall be back on the content once home in September :)
Stacey motorhome
I think it would be perfect if you could hire a motorhome for 24 or 48 hours and so people can decide if it is right for them as some people are disabled
There are companies you can hire from - yes they are newer but helps you assess the functionality. There are also converters of coach built for specific disability needs too.
@@thetrackertravels thanks
Ive always wanted to self build one. Ive been looking at lwb sprinters but do you think it would ever be possible to buy an empty shell from one of the motorhome manufacturers to then add the internals myself?
I would suspect this would be a no but take a look at Vanology on You Tube.
More videos on the trekker please👍
I’ll look at the Trekker X next
Still waiting to see one on the flesh👀 I wonder if you can order one without all the graphics?....
They do look good in the flesh.. the graphics are a marmite situation… I liked better in flesh, but not sure how flexible Swift would be on that - would be good as an option for 2025 as would make a good alternative to the Bailey Endeavour de-vinyl.
What I should have also added in here is that rumour has it there shall be a third model added to the range for 2025 - could this be the rear lounge? I suspect so. Watch this space!!
A few months ago i was chatting to someone in withernsea who had bought the same model two weeks previous. Said he will only keep 18 months maximum as the build quality was too poor for a full time live in van.
Interesting point that. I can understand that for a full time van maybe not robust enough… but they are not primarily designed for that and guess that’s why so many have bespoke panel vans scratch built inside for this reason. The build on our new Escape is pretty decent but full time is not the one we would choose.
Good analysis 👍
Thanks!
The prices are just ridiculous £60-80k is madness. It wasn’t long ago that you could buy something nice for half this budget and the hobby was more accessible to normal people. I think given the cost of living crisis we are heading for a complete crash in the motor home, campervan and caravan market
I think we are now seeing the reset and cooling period, not sure its a crash, but do expect to possibly see a couple more dealers go and would not be surprised if there is loss of or consolidation in manufacturers.
Nice to get that door fixed. That’s a typical warranty fix. It’s these visits to the dealer which are made much easier if you choose a dealer that’s fairly close to your home. We didn’t have a choice this time though. Wow getting £10K of the standard price of the Autoquest brings this van to a reasonable price for a new van. Thanks for taking us along 🙂🚐💙 Trev n Sue
Thanks and most welcome. They also had an Autoquest CV20 panel van down to £59k brand new. Quite a saving and new vans for what has been used money of late. This dealer is about an hour or so from for us, so not too bad for this and I was really interested to see how they would compare to previous experiences of other main dealers and I have to see they have been great. Yes - good to get these bits done before we head off next week to France and Spain. Can’t wait. 🚐😊 A&J
@@thetrackertravels Excellent 👌 You are sharing great, up to date information and experience. We wish you a very safe and enjoyable summer trip. Look forward to your vlogs 👍🏻🚐💙 Trev n Sue
Thanks for the video and info. Were they your supplying dealer?
Thanks for the info and the time its taken you to research.
@@CampervanTravelsInDora You are most welcome.
Thanks very interesting
I think buyers will start ti find what few more older vans with main dealers as some.of the dealers will be struggling to trade out of stuff as the trade buyers are full and bit buying or bidding low so spme dealers will ne retailing older vans to get deals on newer ones done. Worth noting that most dealersnuse insurance backed warranties which won't cover damp on coachbuilts of that age so worth looking for a dealer who warranties the van themselves and will cover water ingress
Thank you - good points and appreciated. Our experience of buying our new one was a low-ball part-ex offer at one of the largest dealers against a new one and even a suggestion that we sell privately. We did not deal with them this time as got a better deal and part-ex elsewhere - but the offers on part-ex varied around circa £8-9k.. another dealer was wanting to trade out the part-ex and again low, so they offered a ‘cash top up’ to get a deal across the line - its very competitive and variable out there. Yes the water ingress is a very good point too - hence me saying about taking care with warranties.
I think it's weird that they've given the portable sonos speaker its own cavity to sit in. Can you explain their thinking?
I can’t answer for their thinking other than a place to charge thats dedicated. Firstly, I am pleased that a manufacturer has moved on from the old ‘car stereo’ install - was about time for a changing buyer profile and tech savvy buyers, but conversely, my concern here is that this is designed around this Sonos unit. Tech changes and the caravan will likely outlive the tech - so what happens when you upgrade the speaker or in 5 years time the speaker is missing when the caravan is traded on? It’s a positive move but perhaps did more thought about this as they roll out across other ranges and motorhomes.
@@thetrackertravels my thoughts exactly. It didn't need its own space because it's portable after all. Seems like they've done a weird deal with Sonos. If the cradle somehow allowed the device to hook in with speakers dotted around the van and allowed a TV's sound to go through the system then maybe it makes sense. None of that is true.
Very nice stylish van, we must pop over to White Arches to take a look. Really like the slim profile of the van too. Great review. Thank you.
Most welcome. Thank you… we really like this one! Was good to spend time in all three layouts and felt Bailey have added another great model here to complement the Adamo. Shall be dead keen to see what they pull out of bag for a new Autograph too.
Bailey continue to keep their customers’ attention by producing new and innovative products and designs. We have seen many over the years. We enjoyed your video presentation very much. 👍🏻😃🚐💙 Trev n Sue
Thank you… we loved our first Bailey motorhome. They have come up with a cracking range here. Hope you both well - A&J
Last week I sold my 21 plate ,Eldiss CV20 to a dealer. I got a reasonable offer ,the following day it was on their forecourt for 10k more, it sold almost straight away , amazing
@@colinnewmarch1106 it is fascinating isn’t it.. our part ex went up with a £8k premium… it’s since come down twice and how has a £5k premium… we got a reasonable offer too but seems it’s still variable.
Read all the thread on so far . Just because users and potential customers don’t run dealerships , it doesn’t mean that they don’t have an idea about what the market is doing and where it’s heading. The MH prices are ridiculous. They have been for the last 18-24 months, driven by demand . It’s abundantly clear the market is in “ Reset” which means painful losses to both buyers & sellers. Am currently on a CCC site , it’s half empty the weathers superb . The prices are ridiculous for basic 1970s facilities. The whole industry needs to be more attractive to people on a real living wage and not reliant on baby boomers whose spent their money on over inflated prices.
Thank you. Agree… we watch with interest as motorhoming is a big part of way of life, we are out regular weekends, tours and weeks away and hope to have many more years doing this as we are in our 40’s. So trying to understand what is happening is important - I am no expert, but find this stuff interesting. I have been talking about the need for reset and rebalance for months and could see this needing to come and there is something afoot in pricing, like there has been with caravans. Also, sites are variable in uptake at the moment, we see them rammed and we see them quite empty - price does play a factor here. Just hoping this stuff is helpful for folk.
Rocket the price of new models and everyone thinks they getting a bargain on the year old ones, then bring the year old new model to its intended price good old matketing illusion
To be fair prices rocketed across 2020/21 for obvious reasons. Increased costs of cabs and demand from manufacturers with production delays due to the chip issue all had an effect and this was passed on with motorhomes across 2021/22 and they not come down. It’s not that they have been ramped up no w to reduce, they are being brought back down to a level but its taking time especially for the used ones - it is happening though. It’s worth noting that the market is rebalancing and adjusting again.
How are part exchange and sale to dealer prices holding up? I would expect this to be the first indicator of how dealers are seeing the future market. Are dealers dropping what they will pay and by how much? I wonder what they are saying to sellers?
@@ztifnai Our experience in part exchanging in May/June was this: We were offered a price for ours that varied by almost £9k from one dealer to another. They were also differing dependent on stock and what trying to sell. One big dealer offered us less and no discount on new. Where we ended up gave the best part exchange and a discount on the new one - to came down to the price to change and seeking out the best deal. The major dealer also offered the lowest and was swamped with used vehicles - they ‘suggested’ we sell our vehicle privately to ‘get more’ - in effect did not want it - they didn’t need more stock so were low balling. Where we ended up, was keen for quality stock and had a good stock of new so it worked. My feeling is that the part exchange offers are lowering to reflect the new discounts. That’s the way. Again back to the price to change. If you have had a vehicle from before the pandemic then you will probably not notice the perceived drop in the same way as someone who bought at height of market and have an actually noticeable drop if that makes sense.
Thanks thats really intersting. You would think dealers will be factoring a price reset in. Might be interesting to canvas others experience of this. What are people being offered and how does this compare to forcort. Great channel by the way 👏
@@ztifnai Yes - I am chatting to a few people about this. And, thank you. :)
I am ready to buy, been researching and looking for 12+ months. No way am l buying right now though, maybe spring. Sellers have to realistic, a 20 year old 100k mile Murvi for £20k private, really? The boom has gone, the covid bump has gone, tough financial times are here and motorhome stock is rising every week. The private sellers will have to bite the bullet first as l see the same vans sticking forever then popping up again under an agency. I sold my motorbike last week, it was the newest, lowest mileage, lowest owners one on the net, l made it the cheapest and it's gone and l have £, the others are still for sale....
Interesting perspective in relation to your bike. Yes the boom has gone - it was always an artificial one but I do feel the industry in some quarters has not got thier mindset back to pre-pandemic and the normal cycles of sales and supply/demand. What are you on the hunt for out of interest?
So when is the best time to buy a new or used motorhome? We've been looking at trading in our caravan & tow car, for a Swift Voyager 540 or Swift Escape 640.... So in the market now, but cn alo hold off for 8-12-mths. Advice?
you'll find the caravan values slipping faster than motorhome ones tbf, if yiu can hot a big discount then nows a good time to buy nut drop down bed stuff is still selling well so you may not see hooge discounts on them
Only my humble advice and recent experience ourselves. I would say that now (and over the summer) is a reasonable time to buy as the discounts are abound on new models but these are more the fixed bed/twin bed arrangements. I say this as there is some 2023 vehicles around and a lot of 2024 so dealers will be wanting to shift these before taking on their 2025 stock commitments. We intended to wait to the autumn/spring but the part ex offer on our last motorhome was good and there was £5k off the new - so it stacked up for us to do it now but we visited a lot of dealers as the deals vary so much. See what deal you can find (its always about the bottom line/price to change) and caravan values are sliding already. However Brownhills have in stock now a Escape 640 with £10,500 off brand new. - £69.995 from £80,595 so some drop down beds can be found… just hunt around.
Are you able to do one of your excellent analysis vlogs on the higher end A Class market. We are looking to get our first tag axle 8 or 9 metre, but prices are all over the place. Looking at Travelworld Erwyn Hymer, they have 7 unsold brand new Niesmann Arto models at average £215000 (on Fiat Ducato) and they are all 2023/4 previous models. But there is now the new radically updated 2025 models released on Mercedes - so what's going to happen to the existing (now obsolete) stock. Also Burstner Elegance 9 metres - looks like there are at least 10 2023 model units unsold nationwide with discounted prices varying wildly? Adria supersonics now showing aferage £10k discounts. It would be extremely helpful to get your take on this before we go to NEC in October with our cheque book.
Who can afford £200,000 plus for a holiday vechile???
Happy to do this… shall put that on my list over the summer then. Yes there are quite a few of these and I would be interested to see what this section of the market is like. Will do some work on this one. Thanks for the feedback too!
Like anything, cars, homes, travel - the market serves all needs and buyers. Admittedly this is a smaller portion of the pie, but there are buyers for these and people will have worked hard for these and have their reasons, for example I know of some people who spend most of the year on the road and have downsized at home so this now meets their current way of life.
Further to my previous post, just look at the number of Burstner Elegance units for sale nationwide and the Adria Supersonics 8.9m tag axles - bit of a price discount war underway - now dropped from £180k to £163k brand new - so some of the used models advertised around £165k will have to drop significantly.
@@oldblackburnian I started recording today for a vlog on this! The discounts are there and I shall bring them to life.
We made a similar vlog. The issue is 2008 motorhome with nearly 50K on 25K. Who would pay 25K for a 16y year old car. It's pretty much 5 times the prices and the cabs in motorhomes are poor compared to cars. With another few months of no interest cuts, we shall see what will happen. If dealers struggling at the busiest time of the year imagine what it's like in winter. People won't want to catch a falling knife as it's called in the markets. What the dealers need to do is offer lower money to get the prices down but it's not really in their interests to do so. Also like many said campsites are too expensive so people think well might as well stay in a hotel and have a lot less hassle and debt.
I don't get all this talk of doom, I run a large dealership and we are absolutely flying along on used stock , we price them well and they sell quickly . Our numbers are almost the same as last year which was a great year , in fact this month we are 7 sales up on the total of last July. Markets defo finding a level but in many areas its still buoyant
@@Nagsheadwarrior I think the grey pound is less affected than the family market. I see quite a few family motorhomes have been sat for a while. Also a lot of pensioners losing 300 quid a year soon not going to make a huge dent on them. Which dealership?
I would agree and that is the thrust of my vlog this time… prices are finding a new level but from time on forecourts and speaking to folk its still ticking over. The talk of doom is really dealers that can’t weather the rebalance… for whatever reason. But as @rollingwiththerobsons I see a lot of stock sitting there… this is the stuff that either has fallen out of popularity or is still too rich.
Not had a chance to see that one yet. Shall take a peek!
Yeah we sell new and used, luckily what we aren't is large dealers of Elddis, Autotrail or Bailey which seems to be the stiff that's really sticking particularly coachbuilts . As the Robsons said its the family friendly coachbuiltd that are sticking and again we swerved those seeing what was looming there . The core market of pension pot casher inners and where we are in Devon house downsizers or relocators still have money to spend on the right van and a lot of stuff is near or totally sold out in the popular models from certain brands
Bought several vans of this dealership dealt mostly with Steve service manager and Sue sales manager now in there sixty’s and made redundant where do they go now my motorhome was actually there to be sold when they folded luckily I was able to get it out and sell it myself I wanted 60k return they wanted 70k inflated prices not sustainable
Yes it is the staff I feel for in these situations. You did well to dodge that then and get your vehicle back to do what you needed to do. Yes there have been inflated prices all round… they do need to come back down to reflect the current supply v demand. Sorry to see them go though.
Pitch fees are a concern.
They have gone up… can’t deny that.
Agreed on some of these comments, this guy monologuing making it sound good is silly.. they still way way way to expensive and by a long way.. 😮
Thanks for feedback. It’s not that things are ‘good’ its that a trend and pattern is coming and its downward which could benefit some people. They are more expensive - but to be fair everything is - its just this market has not yet found its new normal.
Have transit's got the wet belt?
Think its more related to the Eco Blue engines. Lots on the internet and forums about them. I do know a lot of Transit Customs affected.
Ford wet belts only a fool would buy 1 ov theese even if they knocked 20 grand off
Yes seems to be some issues with these. More motorhomes from the UK on Transit cabs now too.
There far too overpriced
Prices have risen way too much on many vehicles.
Why isn’t it against competition law for manufacturers to dictate the retail price to the dealers?
My understanding is the ‘credit line’ they have - in effect allocated at no cost new stock and delivered - they have the season to sell it without interest being applied before that kicks in - so manufacturers hold the line…dealer has to sell or accrue interest…. If they have little cash in bank can;t buy the stock outright to prevent interest… why so many are struggling…. Rock and hard place.
@@thetrackertravels , ok, I get that aspect but it was said that the manufacturers won’t let the dealers drop the retail price, I guess even if they could afford to?
@@colinthompson2335 correct, they won’t because of this ‘credit’ agreement in effect… they are in control. The goods have passed to the dealer and the manufacturers want their money.. back to the point that they lost sense of the market maybe?
I am going to save my money up and stuff the dealers i will go private and buy cash. Be let's face it anyone taking a caravan or motor home to part chop at a dealer will be very disappointed what they offer 😮
We got a good deal in part ex for our motorhome, but was all about the all round deal and bottom line. Think caravans are taking a bigger hit - so yes I would do a private sale.
A man knows what he's doing, good for you sir, the sooner everybody knows about the great swindle the better 😉 I've been a business owner most of my working life i still have a car repair garage, I know what these motor homes are really worth. Good luck when you change your vehicle in the future
Look let's face it all caravan and motor home are seriously over priced, I've have a very nice Bailey caravan 4 wheel all the mover on 2ooo8 good nick, i rang up we buy caravan or motor home when the man asked me what i want for it, i said its got to be worth at least 6 tho to 8 tho he nearly died laughing .you are having a laugh, you mean 2 to 3 thos 😮
Maybe you could get something close to that privately but never from a trader or dealer.
Good reviews pity about the poor sound quality and over bearing music
@@johnnorton9487 thanks. Yes have learned from this one!
It’s an interesting market. The heady days of Covid fuelled staycation which coincided with a couple of very good summers, has given way to record numbers of holidaymakers going abroad to avoid the bad weather at home. Add this to the increased site fees, metered electricity costs, higher insurance premiums and stubbornly high fuel prices. We’re halfway through summer already, so it will be interesting to see how the forecourts of dealerships will be looking in 8 weeks.
Really good points here. This is why I have been thinking for some time that the manufacturers have not stopped to think what a normal ‘season’ would have been - last seen in 2019… pandemic, Brexit and chip shortages on cabs for motorhomes, coupled to what you describe have created a false reality - its five years since the last ‘normal’ and I believe we are now seeing the reality of a come down.
Because they are far too bloody expensive and the market is going to crash
It definitely seems to be struggling right now… manufacturers need to properly think about 2025 or it could certainly hit crisis.
Covid grant money run out zero interest
it was absolutely a boom time during the pandemic as demand outstripped supply of new and used.
I just had the brakes on my Hobby caravan seen too. The guy doing it said "avoid all UK manufacturers, the build quality is diabolical."
It’s interesting isn’t that there remains a perceived or actual difference here, wonder if the UK manufacturers ever bench mark or evaluate themselves against these?
Another greedy dealship going g under
Maybe gone, and time will tell on actual reasons for closing when final accounts land, but leaves a big hole for the customers in the area.
My new van, on order ,has gone up three thousand since I ordered it ,nuts
It’s a good chunk isn’t it… so they not passing on the savings that you can see on the forecourts full of 2024 models?
Do motorhomes leak as badly as our 2014 Compass Rallye caravan did? If so, keep well clear whatever the price.
Touch wood we have had no leaking issues on any of our caravans or motorhomes.
Best way to prevent leaks is build it yourself and cut no holes in roof. Keep it simple .
Just a quick observation on your timely vlog, if you buy a still overpriced campervan or motorhome from these dealers where are you going to go for warenty work or repairs if they go into administration or liquidation? Just curious as a dealer told me its not like car dealers who may sort it out for you if you did not buy from them, its extremely rare for a caravan or motorhome dealer to do warranty work on a vehicle they did not supply. So be careful people with your hard earned cash.
This is correct - you are faced with redirection from the manufacturer. We experienced this when we bought a used Bailey from a non Bailey dealer for our first one and needed some work done - the local Bailey dealer to us as good as said go away! There are independent and mobile repairers that are approved by some of the manufacturers that can do some warranty stuff so that could be an option when you have lost a dealer. But, again, another aspect of the industry that makes buyers vulnerable. Thank you for your comments - A&J
Thanks for the vlog its interesting. One thing i want to know is 3 perhaps 4 years ago a CV 20 campervan was £44000 brand new as reported by a person who bought one, suddenly they were approaching £70k+. When i questioned a dealer they said its market trends supply and demand so basically they can charge what they can get away with,he actually had a smirk or a grin on his face while informing me of the fact. Sadly we missed the boat of reasonably priced second hand units and after 30 plus years of camping, caravans, trailer tents and old vw t2 and t4 we are actually thinking the unthinkable. To give up our hobby which seems to have become a cash cow to some, especially as site prices are becoming higher and higher. I do understand things change but by the amount it has is just not acceptable, just one of those things, got to accept it etc, no i no longer accept that argument sadly a lot of our camping and caravan friends are all thinking the same and on the verge of giving it up. Unfortunately no one wants to buy caravans or motorhomes because of the financial crisis etc so they will be ornaments. Whoever thought campsite showers and toilets etc have to be hotel grade and forced prices skywards, along with super pitches where its all on your little pitch or territory, come on people have you lost the use of your legs? Lots of so called campers dont like talking or communicating anymore avoiding any kind of eye or god forbid verbal conact. I understand if a person is physically disabled a super pitch may be advantageous but people who seem healthy, having bikes etc or scooters why? Are you lazy or just obnoxious ignorant snobs who need formal introduction etc. I can remember when camping was all about having a great time, helping others if needed, keeping healthy, lots of walking cycling etc. sadly it seems those times are disappearing fast. Sorry for the bit of a long comment but its time someone let the people in charge (who keep wondering why no one booking expensive sites) know some of us can be pushed so far then you will lose not only our business but yours too.
No need to apologise for a long comment - always welcome perspectives. Andy grew up in a caravanning family (over the last nearly 50 years) and remembers well much of what you have described about the way things were. This is something that we have discussed with friends ourselves. We don;t mind the occasional serviced pitch (for a one nighter or quick weekend when on the travels for example) but do see that some of the users demands are changing as the world does. I am with you, don’t need hotel grade showers but up to date, clean and functional does the job - to be fair we use our own unit most of the time. As for prices, the industry has hidden behind Brexit and Pandemic to ramp up prices. I get the cost of living challenges but this is being artificially compounded in my view. Manufacturers need to taper down production - I know this means impact on people and jobs, but if they do not trim now, costs will continue to.be there, supply way over demand and eventually they won;t be there. Interesting times indeed.
@@thetrackertravels I agree, feeling sorry for staff of the dealership and the other incidentals. We have been camping since the mid to late 50s as children then all through life seeing many levels of standards but as long as clean and functional we didn't care as we were unlikely to be on campsite much anyway. Thanks again.
My CV20 bought for 45k three years ago, has a dealer offering 43.5 on a trade in,so over 3 years it has only cost me 1500. Nuts
@@colinnewmarch1106 thanks for confirming the pre covid price, I could live with those sort of prices and depreciation but unfortunately a friend bought a big motorhome at the inflated prices and now has been offered such a low price he wouldn't say exactly how low but admitted he has never lost so much money in his life which is very unfortunate for him and many others sadly. Did you decide to take offer Colin or are you still undecided on px
I'm in a different industry but the prices of goods went to the moon over covid due to increased demand and difficulty obtaining parts due to lock downs and shipping costs spiralling. Now things have returned to normal a lot of costs have come down but remain way higher than pre-covid. Staff costs, electricity and all other overheads have increased and that takes me on to site fees, I can't see how some sites manage to make a profit given the cost of electricity. Heating water and shower blocks and providing electricity on site pitches. Lastly, I agree people have changed. I've worked a customer facing role for 35 Years and experienced it first hand, the reason for it is that people are spending more time indoors post covid. Something like 11 hours more per week! not interacting with each other but most likely staring at mobile phones.
I've been looking and researching for a year, l'm ready to buy but can see quite clearly that stock is piling up. I've recently made -10% offers and been rejected, only for the vans to remain on sale. I'm not fussed, l'll put it on the back burner and look again in January.
It is backed up… and your point about dealers not engaging is part of the issue and why some will not weather this…. We had the exact opposite in a dealer that engaged and worked on a deal for a sale. You might be well advised to wait to the new year and see what comes out the wash…. I have been tracking a fair few of the dealers and there is a lot of stagnant stock… some reducing others not, some reducing enough, others not. Going to be a bumpy second half of 2024.
Same here, been watching the market for a few months. I’m definitely waiting till the winter early next year to see how prices are doing. 60k will hopefully get me a brand new van with a garage.
@@anthonybrew1544 You could well do… Brownhills have the Voyager 594 with garage at £65k new now for example.
@@thetrackertravels yes a van on my radar, as long as I can fit 2 road bikes in the garage.
Caravanning is no longer a cheap fun holiday. People can’t afford to pay the hefty prices to buy compounded by the high sight costs. It’s actually cheaper to rent a holiday let now. Caravans look cosmetically beautiful but they are no longer comfortable and we can’t trust the build quality. There are to many issues with water ingress and poor quality fixtures and fittings. Brand new caravans with screaming brakes and door locks that fail easily. The manufacturers have shot themselves in the foot by not listening to customers and not addressing all the issues. Many have taken customers for granted. I predict a huge crash in Caravan sales with many factories and others in the chains going into administration.
The industry needs a check of itself indeed. A hot house market through Brexit and pandemic has not cooled down enough… some, and I say some dealers have not planned well out of this, manufacturers certainly not, interested to see what the rest of the year brings.
It’s looking like buyers should be keeping the money in the bank until next year by the looks of the market. This stuff has got to be moved and 10% discount is not enough after silly increases in the last 3 years. 30% might get the market moving🤞
You make a good point here and in my last vlog I touched on the this challenge - there is going to be too much stock left over this year.. resulting in either more price cuts (yes more than 10% is needed in the rebalance) or some dealers not being able to absorb this and we see more losses there. We only swapped out this year because we got a good discount and the best part ex compared to many other dealers. I figured the dealer wanted the sale… 30% is a good shout… lets see what happens especially with used thats plentiful. Thanks for your views and comment. A
@@thetrackertravels a buyer will always share my view! A seller, not so much. Who knows what the future holds, after Covid, I’ll never bet again. I’ll be watching for your updates though. Interesting times👍
@@markhardy7600 Thanks, I’ll keep them coming
Are You MAD .. The Bank !!!! Don't you realise there all broke and about to collapse, don't you see how the economy globally is on its last legs for the New Reset,,, and Covid is a Bad Cold an excuse for the start of what's to come and why every asset is so unstable!
it has always intrigued me ,where are the ordinary working people with a mortgage to pay, that can afford 60/80000 pounds for a holiday vehicle ?
We were fortunate that I had an opportunity to switch up from a caravan but we treat ours more like a home from home… we use all year round and often weekend and weeks/euro trips to maximise use and benefit. They have rocketed in recent years… they do need to settle down again though.
We sold the house and are now full time in a motorhome, had enough of the rat race. Will rent a place when ready.
@@mpjkea2000 How are you finding it?
@@thetrackertravels Absolutely love it. We had the house of our dreams but maintaining it and the garden and working , it became a tread mill plus always seemed to have noisy neighbours. We bought a little doer upper in France, loved that but became bored so sold it. I have an Irish passport so can move around Europe. We gave full-time insurance ( not cheap ) . Hopefully carry on whilst health stays good .Ps we met a couple some years ago who had lived full-time for 18 years and had no intention of stopping, they were in their late 70s.
We have a new van on order, apparently swift hasn’t raised there prices for 2025 builds , but fiat who provides the chassis has ,
I’ve got a kontiki 784 on order which will be a 2025 model.What are your thoughts on the pricing on them.
Well some dealers have reduced some, examples like Brownhills where they taken around £4K off sticker. There is talk of cabs going up in price again but can’t see how the market will stomach that…. Preston Caravans have one at £89k on offer (2024) and some around £95k have seen…. So do you wait or take your chance now? Part ex likely to fall in line too.
Have seen those on offer,but we’ve upgraded to the 180bhp and automatic transmission.Those that are on offer are the 140bhp.As will be towing a car with it.
@@Bossstangs197 Ah OK. yes the extra power will help there. We have towed with the 140 with a Fiat 500 and was OK but can see how it would help.